Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heart radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm very excited about this week because
Speaker 1: Catherine and I had the chance well I mean, you
Speaker 1: were like behind the scenes, dying, dying, but um, I
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to sit down with Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor,
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, their three incredible former football players. Um. They
Speaker 1: have a new podcast out called The Pivot Podcast, and
Speaker 1: I was able to sit down with them and having
Speaker 1: to have a really deep, authentic, vulnerable conversation with them,
Speaker 1: and I just the second I finished with their podcast,
Speaker 1: I was like, can you guys please come on mind?
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited. Let's welcome the Pivot Podcast dudes
Speaker 1: on wine Down. I feel like I just guess I
Speaker 1: keep saying I'm like my boys, my boys, and you
Speaker 1: guys are probably like crazy, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just like, I love you guys so much. And I
Speaker 1: had such an such an amazing experience on y'all's podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited that I have, UM, you guys here today,
Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me and Catherine. Um, that
Speaker 1: was so much fun. Hey, guys actually get to be
Speaker 1: a part of it this time instead of freaking out
Speaker 1: in the background. We were freaking out for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Why were you freaking out? Trying to get everything together.
Speaker 1: Alicia's like, you're gonna love her, trust me, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. So we're trying to collect everything. I'm like
Speaker 1: the FBI, I'm I'm deep diving. I found out that
Speaker 1: you've recently got baptized. I'm like, okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: So we're checking off these boxes. And it turned out amazing,
Speaker 1: it really did. It was great. It turned out amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel like Katherine. She was in the back.
Speaker 1: I could hear her sometimes go oh, who is she
Speaker 1: gonna answer that question? And then I get in the
Speaker 1: car and I was like, hey, is there anything that
Speaker 1: She's like? I mean, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, screwt. It was a great conversation and
Speaker 1: let's just just just keep it all. It's fine. It
Speaker 1: was great. I love that we we we we tell
Speaker 1: a lot of our guests like we have full creative controls,
Speaker 1: so you can take out whatever you don't want or
Speaker 1: one in. But yeah, I'm some crazy stuff. So I
Speaker 1: was glad you're all gone hold bout it. We had
Speaker 1: a real good time. I mean I feel like it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where when you start to edit,
Speaker 1: that's where for me, like when I do this podcast too,
Speaker 1: it's like there's things, of course that I that I
Speaker 1: say out of maybe frustration or anger or maybe I
Speaker 1: just talked to my excerpts or a friend or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I go, oh, crap, and then some things
Speaker 1: I leave in and I wish I would have taken out.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like when we start
Speaker 1: to censor so much, then I just feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not even like why I have this to be authentic
Speaker 1: and open, and then when you start to go like, well,
Speaker 1: then what's the point of having that deep conversation? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what's what's what's happening with us? And you know,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because it feels like we've been doing
Speaker 1: this podcast forever, but it hasn't even been three full months.
Speaker 1: And you know, at Licia comes to us and is like,
Speaker 1: you know, we would get Jenner Kramer, and so we
Speaker 1: all like studying and we understand like how deep your
Speaker 1: story was. What it gave us was an opportunity to
Speaker 1: show different sides of ourselves as well. You know, I
Speaker 1: think when you have a great guest like you, somebody
Speaker 1: who is that open though, and somebody who you have
Speaker 1: good energy with and a great vibe you do kind
Speaker 1: of walk away like oh my god, Like do we
Speaker 1: say that or do we talk about this? But like
Speaker 1: that's the other piece of it is you want to
Speaker 1: show people, and we want to show people that no
Speaker 1: matter how famous, no matter how successful, like, we're just
Speaker 1: still all humans. And I think your story, uh not
Speaker 1: only you know, was so your human side, but who
Speaker 1: humanized us? Like three black football players are having this
Speaker 1: conversation and you know, we're talking about being baptized, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the things you've gone through in your marriages,
Speaker 1: the ways the ways that you rebounded, and so it
Speaker 1: truly gave us an opportunity, um to have conversation we
Speaker 1: don't get to and so we were just we were
Speaker 1: so grateful that you came, grateful you were the way
Speaker 1: you are. Because we've done an interview and had somebody
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know about this part or take
Speaker 1: o this. There's an interview that like we can't even
Speaker 1: there's a podcast, like we can't even post because they
Speaker 1: do so much out of it's not even a show.
Speaker 1: It's not our show, and so we were very for
Speaker 1: you the way you were. Oh well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, but I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was great to be able to sit down and just
Speaker 1: have that conversation, especially because you know, in my mind too,
Speaker 1: I got to learn about y'all and because I've had
Speaker 1: such a and I please don't take this the wrong way,
Speaker 1: but I've had such like a tainted image of my
Speaker 1: mind of a football player, right because of what I've
Speaker 1: gone through, and so I just kind of put that on, like, oh,
Speaker 1: every football player does this or does that, and it's
Speaker 1: just so unfair to categorize you guys into a box
Speaker 1: like you probably do the same thing that you know
Speaker 1: this football player does or and that's just not fair
Speaker 1: when I, you know, don't know y'all stories or how
Speaker 1: you are as you know, husbands and friends and um players.
Speaker 1: So you know, that was really cool sit down and
Speaker 1: kind of here like y'all's perspective, um, and I took
Speaker 1: a lot of them that as well. Well. No, it
Speaker 1: happens a lot too. I mean, the football player, you're
Speaker 1: not your your stories from the past are crazy, Like
Speaker 1: we went through them like it's a but it happens
Speaker 1: to me. It happens to me all the time. I
Speaker 1: guess some country and I joke around a lot and
Speaker 1: people are like, look at me sometimes, but like, man,
Speaker 1: you're you're an intelligent dude. And I know it's a compliment,
Speaker 1: but I work backwards just saying, what the hell do
Speaker 1: you think I was before you figured out I was
Speaker 1: telling it, like you know that people do have preconcy
Speaker 1: notions of athletes, football players or whatever it is. So
Speaker 1: it's honestly great that we could talk. You know, we
Speaker 1: could talk like so candidly and you can, like you said,
Speaker 1: understand our side. We understood your story where you come from,
Speaker 1: because all all five of us are from totally different places.
Speaker 1: But to have a connection, to have this small connections
Speaker 1: in life and be able to grow friendships, I love.
Speaker 1: I love that part of it. Still talking to you
Speaker 1: after after the show, still talking to people. Actually, we
Speaker 1: were in Nashville and people were coming up to us.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, man, did Jane claims? Is she cool?
Speaker 1: And she she seems like she's cool as she was
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeahtually cool as like they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. I loved it so it expanded my
Speaker 1: demographic of fans just sitting down with you, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if vice versa, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: didn't know do you that know you now. So that's
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing about I just like talking to
Speaker 1: good people and and finding those small connections that kind
Speaker 1: of everybody sees the same level and I say, oh here,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Fred, how are your one
Speaker 1: liners going that real meaningful? We're still working with that.
Speaker 1: It's still uh, it helps create create the balance. So
Speaker 1: we got the pro we got told and then we
Speaker 1: got me. That's how it goes. But I was gonna
Speaker 1: say this weekend, I've been in Nashville, ton playing the
Speaker 1: Titans down there in the same division for years over
Speaker 1: my thirteen year career. I never never missed the season
Speaker 1: where we played down there. But I didn't get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to get out in the city even when we
Speaker 1: came down with you, other than seeing Ryan and high
Speaker 1: form last time we were in Nashville. Other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, I still hadn't got an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: the city. But I can see why you ended up
Speaker 1: in Nashville. You went from Detroit to New York l
Speaker 1: A to Nashville. Lord, okay, perfect. I love Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this past weekend. Whoa that I gotta go back. It
Speaker 1: is so great. I mean a lot of music, the
Speaker 1: bars Broadway right there is your third half. It's great, man,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, no, it's it's a It's an amazing place.
Speaker 1: Next time we will make sure we can all get together.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was it was really cool to
Speaker 1: see how well received that episode was too, so I
Speaker 1: was I was happy about that. Um, but I have
Speaker 1: to ask your guys opinion on uh what happened with
Speaker 1: Will Smith the oscars Um. I mean, I definitely have
Speaker 1: my thoughts, but I just you know, it was one
Speaker 1: of the things where I was like, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you guys about it, and um, something came
Speaker 1: up for me when I was watching your Antonio Brown interview,
Speaker 1: which because i'm and I'm a fan of the Pivot
Speaker 1: podcast and now I watched him and it was something
Speaker 1: that you said to about because he was wearing his
Speaker 1: um what was that? Yeah, knye hoodie and and I
Speaker 1: think it was Ryan you said. You know, Um, it's
Speaker 1: hard to I don't want to misspeak at all. Um,
Speaker 1: I asked, did he think that people could take him
Speaker 1: seriously and the perception right, yeah, because we'll see it,
Speaker 1: people see it a different way and they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: understand that is just fashion. And also too, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're doing and saying certain things and you look
Speaker 1: a certain way, people can't like. The visual is so
Speaker 1: important to people, you know. Did you think about the
Speaker 1: things that you've heard about people and then that you've
Speaker 1: seen it, you know, and this is obviously the same situation,
Speaker 1: but think about what we thought we knew about ray
Speaker 1: Rice and and and how seed them as to what
Speaker 1: happened once we all got to see it. And trying
Speaker 1: to explain to Antonio is like, the visual and the
Speaker 1: perception of those things is not necessarily always who we
Speaker 1: truly are or what we want to be. But you
Speaker 1: have to be aware of that, you know, last night
Speaker 1: was but last night it was absolutely crazy to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I will because when I look at
Speaker 1: it with especially when I was relating, and there's no
Speaker 1: true relation, but in the sense of you know, um,
Speaker 1: how I know int new Brown is like, oh he's
Speaker 1: a you know, he's a great player, but is that
Speaker 1: now overshadowed by all of his actions on the sidelines
Speaker 1: and the whatever. And so when I look at the
Speaker 1: Wills situation, is this he's he's been working for an
Speaker 1: Oscar for thirty years now. This is so overshadowed. And
Speaker 1: and also, you know, the it just looked like the
Speaker 1: you know, the there never should have abuse or any
Speaker 1: of those things. And then it just was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's forgotten. And he didn't even apologize to Chris Rock.
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious what you're at, y'alls. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna ever be forgotten. You would
Speaker 1: have the greatest night in television, you know, the greatest
Speaker 1: uh war ceremony as it relates to TV movies except whatever. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a stain on his on on his legacy,
Speaker 1: you know, on his his Uh you know this award,
Speaker 1: it's gonna always be a stain. And not only that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna always involve being in serena their dad,
Speaker 1: you know the reason he won the Oscar. It's totally unacceptable. Uh.
Speaker 1: He later said in this you know, in this space,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to be able to handle
Speaker 1: disrespect I agree with that. I also agree what Denzel
Speaker 1: told him that at your highest moment, this is when
Speaker 1: the devils will attack you. He should have known that beforehand. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't condone, you know, his actions. Uh, I think
Speaker 1: that Chris was the bigger man at the end of
Speaker 1: the day by not retaliating. I showed some extreme professionalism
Speaker 1: in that sense. I don't condone what Chris said about Jada,
Speaker 1: But he is a comedian, so a lot of times
Speaker 1: they get passes on a lot of things. They say,
Speaker 1: Uh still, if if Will had a chance to do
Speaker 1: it again, maybe he does it. And you know, backstage,
Speaker 1: so we all think it's a rumor. Right, come over here,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk whatever and then but you know, still,
Speaker 1: I don't condone it even if he's done that way.
Speaker 1: But there are certain ways to handle different things that
Speaker 1: if you do feel some some aggression, you know, coming
Speaker 1: to the forefront, uh totally wrong, really out of pocket,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't think he will ever be able
Speaker 1: to uh make right of it. But it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that to make a
Speaker 1: ball joke like I get she has so she has alopecia,
Speaker 1: which I can understand it being you know, like that's
Speaker 1: something that's you know, hard for her. At the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like how many times have people been made fun
Speaker 1: of for their addictions or there. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: that's people show up for the first five minutes of
Speaker 1: the oscars to hear the kind of um roasting of
Speaker 1: it all, and it's like it's yes, and again, like
Speaker 1: what what what world would it be if something he
Speaker 1: came in the side was like hey, like don't do that,
Speaker 1: you know, and like have a respectful if you're a
Speaker 1: vessel of love, like he says, a vessel of love
Speaker 1: would never get on stage and just straight up bitch
Speaker 1: slap somebody. But I think it's even even the jokes
Speaker 1: that we have with our s about him and I
Speaker 1: have an organ and like he has a serious disease
Speaker 1: that kills people, But we could joke about that. You
Speaker 1: can't joke about alopecia. How many lives is alopecia? Take it?
Speaker 1: She has alopecia. So here we go. Yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: I do. I've dealt with it since it was eight
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. Now I have not had to shave my
Speaker 1: head um, And I don't really know her reasoning because
Speaker 1: it's different bald spots, you know, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if hers is a little bit different or what. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I might not have loved it, but I
Speaker 1: also would not have expected my husband to do that either,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's you know, it's distasteful. I agree,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should have made the joke, But
Speaker 1: also Will laughed at it, which I was very confused by,
Speaker 1: Like he laughed and then all of a sudden he's
Speaker 1: on stage slapping him. So I was confused by. And
Speaker 1: I guess maybe he just saw her face because clearly
Speaker 1: she was upset. He got upset. But then the same
Speaker 1: like Will was in a bad place anyway, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: after the whole acceptance stuff. It's it seemed like he
Speaker 1: was on edge already. Ye. My problem this is when
Speaker 1: you choose to be tough. No like they like like
Speaker 1: we didn't seen, we didn't seen Will and some bad
Speaker 1: spots fooling around with Jada recently, right the the table talk,
Speaker 1: the entainment, all of those things like this, the day
Speaker 1: you choose to be hard, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, and also too we all know this, Channey,
Speaker 1: Like I know, in no place in America would I
Speaker 1: ever walk up to you or Fred and slap one
Speaker 1: of y'all and not expect to fight. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know who you're dealing with. Like he understood that. That
Speaker 1: was Chris Chris Rock. He understood what the moment was.
Speaker 1: And honestly, y'all, I forgot he won the Oscar, right, Like,
Speaker 1: nobody posting about that. Nobody's talking about how hard this
Speaker 1: man has worked his entire life for the fact that
Speaker 1: he was broke when he had an opportunity to audition
Speaker 1: for the Fresh Prince of bel Air. And this is
Speaker 1: the culmination of that. Like, this is the climax of
Speaker 1: all of those things, and we are not talking about it.
Speaker 1: You gotta thing, bro This puts him in the category
Speaker 1: with Holly Berry. This puts him in the category still Washington, Washington,
Speaker 1: as African Americans who have won an Oscar, and we
Speaker 1: don't even get to celebrate that. He doesn't get to
Speaker 1: celebrate that as a culture, as a community, as a people,
Speaker 1: we can't talk about that in our excitement, right, our
Speaker 1: opportunity to finally feel like, okay, another time we are
Speaker 1: recognized for what we can do. I totally agree in
Speaker 1: echo what RC is saying. You know, we we do
Speaker 1: definitely as a black community. You know, these things are
Speaker 1: you and and and not so often. But Will is
Speaker 1: an amazing talent, but you don't get an opportunity to really, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, celebrate his night again. It's gonna be staying
Speaker 1: the legacy, you know, a this acceptance is going to
Speaker 1: be staying. But I do commend Chris Rock, you know,
Speaker 1: just for being a bigger person, because just imagine what
Speaker 1: it looks like if not only one black man slapping
Speaker 1: another black man or another human thing, uh, in front
Speaker 1: of the entire world, if we had two black men
Speaker 1: fighting on television, two black men fighting, that's just gonna
Speaker 1: put us in a box that says, you know, these
Speaker 1: black guys, they just don't know how to act. Maybe
Speaker 1: they don't deserve to be here. And quite naturally, those
Speaker 1: are you know, some of the conversations that were at
Speaker 1: least from you know, our side of things, believe, uh
Speaker 1: is what's going on with the oscars for the most partum,
Speaker 1: because we do have some very talented, amazing African American
Speaker 1: actors and actresses. Uh, sometimes we felt that they haven't gotten,
Speaker 1: you know, the recognition of the glory uh that they
Speaker 1: or the achievements that they deserved. So I can only
Speaker 1: imagine if Chris had retaliated. It's just it's a complete
Speaker 1: It's this look multiplied times ten. I believe if Chris
Speaker 1: Rock had responded mm hmm, yeah, I want to give
Speaker 1: Crystal love. He's tugged his chip, poking his chin out,
Speaker 1: took a smack, and then started talking about documentaries. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest, this this man eight the one and just
Speaker 1: kept working. So I get Cristal Prader for that, But no,
Speaker 1: I'm hun to see what y'all saying. As a black community,
Speaker 1: all that we've been through, you know, Jim Crow and
Speaker 1: all the the racial injustices and everything happens, right, so
Speaker 1: we take pride in it as a people. As a
Speaker 1: group of people, we take pride to any success that
Speaker 1: you know, at a high level of a black woman,
Speaker 1: of black woman, a black man take And it really
Speaker 1: it did. Like Freddy was saying that, just that's what
Speaker 1: gave me the funny feeling that the joke I said,
Speaker 1: the joke didn't jump off like I didn't. I didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't, I didn't cringe when the joke hit. I
Speaker 1: cringe when I saw the responses in the crowd and
Speaker 1: I saw the social media and the action of what
Speaker 1: they were saying, taking taking the honorable night of Will
Speaker 1: Smith to making it something bad for for everybody that
Speaker 1: was supporting Will. Everybody was back in the fresh Prince
Speaker 1: of Bell every day and he was making them terrible
Speaker 1: rap songs. I was still buying his album and now
Speaker 1: you you're seeing him just put it, put a stain
Speaker 1: on his night. And now it was the thing that
Speaker 1: got to me more than the joke and the interaction
Speaker 1: as a fifth year old man. You shouldn't be slapping nobody.
Speaker 1: That's the flat out thing. Like at one r C.
Speaker 1: Preddy like I think at you could still slap somebody
Speaker 1: and saying motion got the best of you. Even where
Speaker 1: we are now, I'm like, I'm I'm the youngest one,
Speaker 1: I'm late thirties. We can't go around slapping people. People, Seriously,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that anybody can do other than hitting me
Speaker 1: first to make me slap them like that the crazy
Speaker 1: there's two thousand pointy two. You can't just slap folks.
Speaker 1: That's the flat out human side of it. There's a
Speaker 1: lot more to it, but just don't slap nobody, especially
Speaker 1: on national TV, especially at the Oscars, there's a lot
Speaker 1: to it. You can't slap people. That would be that
Speaker 1: would be my main focus is But like that's the
Speaker 1: crazy thing is like what goes through your head when
Speaker 1: you're sitting there before you walk on stage to slap
Speaker 1: Chris Rock? You know what I'm saying? Like that, Like,
Speaker 1: at some point you have to have the thought process. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're at the Oscars. The joke actually ain't that bad.
Speaker 1: And I know Chris Rock. I know Will Smith has
Speaker 1: Chris Rock's number. M h'm does, and I'm certain that
Speaker 1: he knows that they can have a conversation. And now,
Speaker 1: if you have a conversation with Chris Rock after the
Speaker 1: show and Chris Rock continues to be what you consider disrespectful,
Speaker 1: slap the name. You know what I'm saying, No, like
Speaker 1: like really like I I understand what you're saying, channeing
Speaker 1: Like we can't just go around popping people, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: But even if you have that big of an issue
Speaker 1: with it, have the conversation with him. If Chris Rock
Speaker 1: is like you know what I you it was funny.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I said it, and I don't care that
Speaker 1: your wife have alopecia, then slap it. But but but
Speaker 1: to to ruin so not only ruin that moment, but
Speaker 1: to do that in that instance to Chris Rock, Like
Speaker 1: Chris Rock didn't deserve that for doing what was his job, right.
Speaker 1: I have issues with people and the way they do
Speaker 1: their jobs sometimes, but I don't get it was just
Speaker 1: and and slap me and punch me. Where do you
Speaker 1: guys think that we're at with UM kind of a
Speaker 1: society and whole with you know, when there was the
Speaker 1: because and I'm trying to like I want to make
Speaker 1: sure again and I use my words correctly with this UM.
Speaker 1: You know, when everything happened a few years ago, there
Speaker 1: started more of a movement, more talking about BLM and
Speaker 1: UM and where UM. And we had some people on
Speaker 1: the podcast and I it's I'm still like, I I
Speaker 1: don't want to how do I say this? Like I
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn and but at the same time,
Speaker 1: like people are like UM. I think it was one
Speaker 1: of Mickey She's like black people shouldn't have to feel
Speaker 1: like they have to teach us UM what they went
Speaker 1: through or and I'm like, I just want to understand,
Speaker 1: like that's why, Like one of my very good girlfriends
Speaker 1: is a African American woman and Mickey guy and she's amazing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know what you went through,
Speaker 1: Like I want to understand because I I didn't. We
Speaker 1: have different and I you know, and even um, you
Speaker 1: guys know Chris Spencer, like he came on our podcast.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm a football player and people. I go
Speaker 1: into my really nice car and I asked me if
Speaker 1: I stole it, and I'm just like like really, Chris,
Speaker 1: like I just and you have you guys, I mean obviously,
Speaker 1: like I just I would love to hear how you
Speaker 1: handle UM and how you're kind of changing helping change.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know the narrative or and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I don't disrespect at all, like forgetting.
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, especially now since there's more
Speaker 1: awareness um that has been raised, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: light of you know, George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, like some
Speaker 1: of those those situations, it was kind of it was
Speaker 1: brought to the forefront more. And I believe that more
Speaker 1: than black people finally started to realize that there is
Speaker 1: a difference in treatment, that there is a difference in
Speaker 1: in perception. And that's so I think, you know what
Speaker 1: happens is now you know you, you you gravitate towards
Speaker 1: different things that allows people to see you in a
Speaker 1: different light. You know. Uh, myself working on TV and
Speaker 1: and being a part of those things, I had an
Speaker 1: opportunity throughout to voice my opinion, to talk about, uh,
Speaker 1: where I felt we were as a society, talk about
Speaker 1: the reasons that Black people don't feel that they're treated equally.
Speaker 1: And I think it's always for the naysayers or for
Speaker 1: the people who want to oppose what we're saying or
Speaker 1: want to oppose this movement, I think they always feel
Speaker 1: like Black people want to be treated special, right, that
Speaker 1: we want to be above the law, or we want
Speaker 1: to get more. That's not what we're asking. What we're
Speaker 1: saying is the same rules, the same opportunities, the same
Speaker 1: chances that everyone else gets. That's what we want as well.
Speaker 1: We want the a level playing field in all fatises
Speaker 1: of fatises of life. And that's truly what everybody deserves.
Speaker 1: And so what has happened for me though, um, you know,
Speaker 1: when we speak of changing the narrative is we also
Speaker 1: have to look at other people who feel slighter. Right,
Speaker 1: we have to look at the way Asian Americans were
Speaker 1: treated in right, we have to look at the l
Speaker 1: g B, t Q plus community as well. And so
Speaker 1: what I've started doing is diving into different things as
Speaker 1: it pertains to others, as it does to me. And
Speaker 1: I think you can't be against one injustice and not
Speaker 1: recognize that there are other injustice is happening. And so
Speaker 1: for for for me, it's been about expanding my knowledge
Speaker 1: on other things, on other people, and if we can
Speaker 1: now become aware of how we're treated and also help
Speaker 1: others who are treated unfairly, I think that's where we
Speaker 1: grow as a society. And body gets that planned field
Speaker 1: level as they wanted. And Jane, I say, it's funny
Speaker 1: because you you were kind of trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: figure out the right way to say it. I never, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't because I feel like
Speaker 1: you can easily say something like you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to. But that's the thing, it's something Marcy
Speaker 1: said it perfectly. He's that he's beautiful with his words
Speaker 1: but he it was a great point. But like even
Speaker 1: that the question for you to ask and want to
Speaker 1: really know, you know, like the Tradia Martin's, the George Floyd's,
Speaker 1: like that is so violent. People are dying to bring
Speaker 1: something to the forefront, which you shouldn't be like that,
Speaker 1: Like people should want the Asian Asian Americans, they should
Speaker 1: want women. They shouldn't want marginalization. They shoun't want red
Speaker 1: lining communities. Like all the stuff we know is going on,
Speaker 1: the the the wage gap, you know, the different places
Speaker 1: where now oh this this person lives here, these people
Speaker 1: live here is like oh that it's it's it's in
Speaker 1: black and white, Like we know what's going on. If
Speaker 1: you want to learn and you want to understand other people,
Speaker 1: ask questions. We talk to people. We talked to different people.
Speaker 1: I talked to different people style, sexes all day long,
Speaker 1: and just ask questions. Just get like let me, let
Speaker 1: me get one thing from you that I can take
Speaker 1: and make myself a better person, maybe passing out of
Speaker 1: my kids one day. And that's the thing. So asking
Speaker 1: the questions is where it all needs to start and
Speaker 1: really wanting to know the answer, not saying oh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the black lives matters out. Now, let's you know, let's
Speaker 1: talk to some black people. Know what do you go
Speaker 1: through a daily basis that I don't Why when I
Speaker 1: get out, you know, I get out my nice struck,
Speaker 1: I get out, I come out and walk out my
Speaker 1: million dollar house. Why do people double double take when
Speaker 1: I walking out my front door. I can have a
Speaker 1: nice house. Don't you have a nice house. So just
Speaker 1: the understanding of that is what, It's what the main thing.
Speaker 1: And it's easier said that done, obviously, because it's still
Speaker 1: going on to two. People are still getting killed and
Speaker 1: racism everywhere. But you even asking the question, jail, that's
Speaker 1: the greatest. That's that's how change is gonna happen. Conversation. Correct.
Speaker 1: And I want to add to myself that I've experienced
Speaker 1: some discrimination. I don't necessarily call it racism, but I
Speaker 1: feel that I've been discriminated upon in certain instances just
Speaker 1: being out in the community to the point where I
Speaker 1: might sell who's made millions of dollars. I don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable in certain neighborhoods right because I know that it
Speaker 1: comes with a certain stigma and perception where if I'm
Speaker 1: driving down my license is valid. I don't. I have
Speaker 1: a great driving record. My insurance is update. But sometimes
Speaker 1: if you're certain areas that they're at certain times, there
Speaker 1: are officers in those areas doing their jobs, but sometimes
Speaker 1: they they do more than their job. And you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm a black guy in this neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 1: after a certain time. For example, when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: uh before I made it to the NFL and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff, it was said, I grew up in
Speaker 1: Palm Beach County. You have West Palm Beach, you have
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, you know, but most of the time people say,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Palm Beach, But that's the entire county
Speaker 1: in the hole. But Palm Beaches, you cross the bridge
Speaker 1: and now you're over you know, Mari Lago, what Trump
Speaker 1: is and thirty million dollar homes. That's an area you
Speaker 1: were told not to be across that side of the
Speaker 1: bridge after you know, six six thirty because the cops
Speaker 1: are gonna harash you. And this was when I was
Speaker 1: a teenager. So even now as an adult, although you know,
Speaker 1: I carry myself appropriately and now to talk to officers,
Speaker 1: I know how to handle certain situations, I still don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable, you know, because I just want to avoid those, uh,
Speaker 1: those things, those you know, uh encounters, potential encounters. But
Speaker 1: we have to deal with that, you know. It's unfortunate
Speaker 1: that we have to deal with that. We have to
Speaker 1: deal with a lot. I don't want to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to seem as if everyone is crying.
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is we're gonna get
Speaker 1: pointed out before you know, other individuals or racists get
Speaker 1: pointed out to their own kind and vice versus two.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a white person in certain areas
Speaker 1: other hood, it's either you know, you're gonna get robbed,
Speaker 1: are you gonna get sold serve and cocaine and crack
Speaker 1: or something because they're gonna think you're a junkie if
Speaker 1: you're in the hood. You know. So it actually works
Speaker 1: both ways, but I think it's more prevalent, uh as
Speaker 1: it relates to the to the African American H minority communities.
Speaker 1: I think the I think the thing that it is
Speaker 1: more than anything too. It's like we all have these biases. Um,
Speaker 1: I think many of us don't believe that we're racist.
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of people feel like they're
Speaker 1: not racist, but they're not they're not aware of the
Speaker 1: cultural biases. And I remember years back, uh, when some
Speaker 1: things was going on, Mark Cuban made this statement. Mark
Speaker 1: Human said, you know, and he took a lot of
Speaker 1: heat because he mentioned a black man in the hoodie,
Speaker 1: and obviously everyone drew that back on Trayvon Martin. But
Speaker 1: what was if I'm walking down the street and I'm
Speaker 1: on the street and there's a white guy with the
Speaker 1: ball head with tattoos everywhere, I'm going to walk to
Speaker 1: the other side of the street. And he said, And
Speaker 1: if I'm on that side of the street and it's
Speaker 1: late at night and a guy's walking towards me and
Speaker 1: he's black with the hood on, I'm gonna cross back over.
Speaker 1: And what he was trying to explain is the the
Speaker 1: biases and quote unquote kind of awarenesses we have of
Speaker 1: certain stereotypes. But the problem is in African American communities,
Speaker 1: those stereotypes have gotten lives taken. So that issue and
Speaker 1: you know, whenever someone wants to oppose black lives matter
Speaker 1: or they want to be on the negative side of
Speaker 1: of what black people are trying to portray to him,
Speaker 1: they talk about, you know, black on black crime, all
Speaker 1: of these things. It's about how society is set up.
Speaker 1: It's about those in authority positions and the way that
Speaker 1: they treat black people. See, it's okay, Like it's okay
Speaker 1: if I'm walking down the street and you call me
Speaker 1: an inn word because you're ignorant. I can live with that.
Speaker 1: What's not okay is if you run a business and
Speaker 1: you won't promote black people, or you won't even if
Speaker 1: it's women, or you won't give them the same opportunity. Like,
Speaker 1: that's the discrimination and racism, right. The racism is if
Speaker 1: if if you're if you're a judge and a black
Speaker 1: person is accused of a crime or convicted of a
Speaker 1: crime and they get a harsher sentence than a white
Speaker 1: person would get. Those are the type of discriminations and
Speaker 1: and that's the type of racism that kills because that
Speaker 1: kills lives. Right. It doesn't allow you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: allow people to build wealth, it doesn't allow people to
Speaker 1: have careers, It doesn't allow people to take care of
Speaker 1: their families. Those are the discriminations and the racisms that
Speaker 1: are important, Like just being an ignorant person and not
Speaker 1: liking black people. If you ain't harming me or stopping
Speaker 1: me from living my life. I really don't care about that.
Speaker 1: But I care about it is you see a guy
Speaker 1: like George Floyd be nailed on for the amount of
Speaker 1: time he was kneeled on, and not at any point
Speaker 1: was there any compassion, was there any care, was there
Speaker 1: any concern. It's about the devaluing of black lives. That's
Speaker 1: more than that. That's more than just I don't care
Speaker 1: about you. It's you don't exist to me, and not
Speaker 1: existing for people is not okay. It's good. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's also good that you are asking questions.
Speaker 1: I know you had that issue and you had Mickey on. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike was very insensitive. He was Mike. I mean to
Speaker 1: the point where I saw Mickey in the airport and
Speaker 1: I had to apologize to her again because my ex
Speaker 1: had made her cry and she ended up leaving the conversation.
Speaker 1: And I was even just like, wow, did you how
Speaker 1: could you? How would you say that? He basically yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he was talking to Mickey and this is the
Speaker 1: week that everything happened a couple of years ago. And
Speaker 1: you know, again, I wanted to bring my friend on
Speaker 1: because I'm like I'm sorry that I haven't asked or
Speaker 1: haven't you know, have these versations with you, Like I
Speaker 1: I felt like a bad friend, and so, I mean
Speaker 1: it was bad. But Mike basically said to her, well,
Speaker 1: it's just a numbers game, right, like, not every black
Speaker 1: person is going to experience racist and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it was it was so insensitive. When oh and I
Speaker 1: heard it and then it's her, she was just like
Speaker 1: and then she I mean I had to call I mean,
Speaker 1: she hung up the podcast and it was like I
Speaker 1: had to call her and she was I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, like and he was just but he's in
Speaker 1: his white privilege and you know, I'm like, why would
Speaker 1: you even think that it's a percentage game? He said, well,
Speaker 1: not every I'm like, you don't know, you're not being black,
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't know. So when we got
Speaker 1: into a fight, and then it was just the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I I've apologized to her, you
Speaker 1: know a few times over and um, you know then
Speaker 1: I saw on the airport and she was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously being like them, So glad you're not
Speaker 1: in that anymore. And then we had the conversation again.
Speaker 1: But she was like, it was just so arrogant. And
Speaker 1: but I mean, obviously, I mean was that I would
Speaker 1: think that'd be upsetting to hear and m that's that's
Speaker 1: the that's kind of what our c was saying earlier.
Speaker 1: That's the ignorance that hurts people's If Mike whatever his
Speaker 1: name is, if he doesn't like me, I don't care,
Speaker 1: like she said, I don't care. It's when he's around
Speaker 1: and being influential on the next generation and he's putting
Speaker 1: that crap in a child's mind or a kid's mind,
Speaker 1: and now that person around my kids and later on
Speaker 1: in life, like like, we don't want to be friends
Speaker 1: with everybody. I don't want everybody just see me and
Speaker 1: just want to give me a hug. I just want
Speaker 1: to be looked at. I'll joke sometime. I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'll go to work and I walk and work joking
Speaker 1: around my coworkers and radio and I'd be like, listen, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: treat me like a white man today. That's what I want.
Speaker 1: Today I'm having a bad day. Treat me like a
Speaker 1: white man. And you know, there is funny even last
Speaker 1: But then when you think about it. He's like, so
Speaker 1: what's the difference. And I'll look at it like there's
Speaker 1: a difference though, isn't there? And he just, you know,
Speaker 1: just little things you doesn't make it just turn over
Speaker 1: and make that click. So yeah, like that the generational
Speaker 1: he even Donna call it hate, the ignorance or the
Speaker 1: g noring something that's going on. That's when it's perpetuated
Speaker 1: generation generation, and that's what we're really trying to get
Speaker 1: away from. It's interesting because like I have a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old son who you know, I mean, he has
Speaker 1: white friends, he has mixed friends, he has full I
Speaker 1: mean just all over the board, and he they don't
Speaker 1: really see any difference. Like I watched them and I
Speaker 1: can tell they truly don't see any difference in them.
Speaker 1: But it's so scary because it's like what do I
Speaker 1: do as a mother of a white boy to help
Speaker 1: because as he gets older, you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they I say, I say that, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: do feel that. I'm sure there they feed they can
Speaker 1: feel differently. But as a mother of a white boy,
Speaker 1: it's I I sometimes have a hard time, you know,
Speaker 1: like if he doesn't understand why, you know, his friend
Speaker 1: Havis for instance, like why he feels differently because he's
Speaker 1: a black boy or whatever. It's just it's a hard
Speaker 1: and again, we don't want to sound insensitive, but it
Speaker 1: is kind of asking the question like how do we
Speaker 1: really teach our white kids two treat everyone that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it's like a hard question.
Speaker 1: It's like you want to address it, but then addressing
Speaker 1: it feels like you're separating is kind of creating a divide.
Speaker 1: I think I think kids are a sponge. Kids are
Speaker 1: gonna do what they see their parents do. They're going
Speaker 1: to interact the way they see their parents their parents interact.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll be able to get some you know,
Speaker 1: different um teachings at school through their peers, but I
Speaker 1: think that the majority of it, the reflection of what
Speaker 1: they see at home will overshadow you know, what they're
Speaker 1: getting at school at least at certain age. Now they
Speaker 1: get to a point where this is all they see,
Speaker 1: you know, you can try your hardest to keep them
Speaker 1: off TikTok, Instagram, all these different places where this stuff
Speaker 1: is just overly uh exposed and and not necessarily uh
Speaker 1: regulated as it should be for kids. But we as
Speaker 1: parents we you know, we try our hardest, We try
Speaker 1: our hardest to keep our our kids young and keep
Speaker 1: them close. But they become teenagers. And in my book,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I said all the time, and I
Speaker 1: think I've said it on the show. My son turned teenager.
Speaker 1: He turned into an act. And as much as I
Speaker 1: tried myself to look try to give him everything, to
Speaker 1: keep him in line, to make sure that he doesn't
Speaker 1: want for anything. You're gonna earn these things. You know,
Speaker 1: you treat people accordingly, with respect. Uh, try to teach
Speaker 1: me how to be a decent adult. You know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have friends and and that pull them certain directions,
Speaker 1: and you can give them all you can. Uh, you
Speaker 1: just gotta keep giving them love and um, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta hold out on faith and hope that they
Speaker 1: get it, because truthfully, they're not gonna always get it.
Speaker 1: Some kids are amazing. I tell Ryan all the time,
Speaker 1: I think his son, Jordan is amazing. I was overly
Speaker 1: impressed by the young man. I think him and his
Speaker 1: wife did a great job with On the other hand,
Speaker 1: I would always say my son is amazing. He's an
Speaker 1: amazing human. You know, he he doesn't have a racist
Speaker 1: or discriminatory bone in his body. But he does some
Speaker 1: other things that are not always UH happy about. But
Speaker 1: I tried my best as a parent. So you just
Speaker 1: continue to do what you believe. And um, I think
Speaker 1: that the kids are gonna take what they take and
Speaker 1: sometimes naturally they just have it in them. It's part
Speaker 1: of a DNA to be just a great, soft spoken,
Speaker 1: outgoing person. And sometimes you know, they have to fight
Speaker 1: those those things out in the classroom and out in society,
Speaker 1: and that's not always easy, you know, because pitt pressure
Speaker 1: is tough. Um. But as parents, we just gotta try
Speaker 1: the best to be examples at home with our words
Speaker 1: more than our actions. A lot of times our words
Speaker 1: are huge because they take things like they're taking it
Speaker 1: from YouTube and these other other places. My son coming
Speaker 1: here after watching YouTube and he says a curse word,
Speaker 1: like where'd you get that from? You to hear us
Speaker 1: say it. But they're able to get these very exposed
Speaker 1: to different things. But you know, when we slip, things
Speaker 1: tend to slip through the cracks. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we start with respect at home. That's
Speaker 1: what we want to demand, that's what we want to give.
Speaker 1: And after that We just try the best to know
Speaker 1: fix whatever might go wrong on the outside. But love
Speaker 1: is love, you know. And I don't think we're born
Speaker 1: with hate and our and our and our you know, makeup,
Speaker 1: but it does. It can't see things. You gotta just
Speaker 1: try your best to be the best you can with
Speaker 1: them and let them live their lives and go going forward.
Speaker 1: I have a question, is um, is you know your
Speaker 1: kids being accepting, being nondiscriminatory, uh, not being racist? Is
Speaker 1: that important to both of you? Absolutely? Okay, So think
Speaker 1: about the other things in parenting that are important for you,
Speaker 1: right when when you think about you know, hard work, uh,
Speaker 1: being a certain way at school, all these things, you
Speaker 1: make sure you express those things to your children, right
Speaker 1: Like all the things you want them to be and
Speaker 1: you want implemented into their lives. You make sure that
Speaker 1: those things are taught in your home. Why should racism
Speaker 1: be any different? You understand what I'm saying, Like, like,
Speaker 1: why why can't you have that conversation? It's if it's
Speaker 1: important to you, and I think that's the biggest thing. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a difference in being um, in not being racist
Speaker 1: and being an anti racist. If you can understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because now, if you're telling your kids, we
Speaker 1: are supposed to accept everyone. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly,
Speaker 1: Everyone deserves to be treated equally. Everyone is entitled to
Speaker 1: the same liberty and rights as anyone else in this country.
Speaker 1: And if you do see those sorts of injustices, if
Speaker 1: you are around those sorts of racism, separate yourself from
Speaker 1: those not necessary. You don't have to tell them go
Speaker 1: change the world. Right But the same way you want,
Speaker 1: we try to implement into our children who we want
Speaker 1: them to be every day, right like, like, that's what
Speaker 1: we do. We want them to be successful, we want
Speaker 1: them to be smart, we want them to be great humans.
Speaker 1: Every day we are teaching our kids what to be.
Speaker 1: Why is it a problem to say? And also on
Speaker 1: the other side of that, you need to treat everybody,
Speaker 1: to say, you need to treat people with kindness, no
Speaker 1: matter their color, no matter their gender, gender, no matter
Speaker 1: they're religious affiliations. Everyone is entitled to be treated as
Speaker 1: a human. And I think that simple part of the
Speaker 1: conversation is not separation, it's actually inclusion. But happen is
Speaker 1: we try, right like, like we make excuses for ourselves
Speaker 1: to not have to do certain things like I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about racism because I don't want my
Speaker 1: son to see color. That's that's not okay, that's not
Speaker 1: true because everybody sees color well. And this is probably
Speaker 1: a really terrible example, but to that, like, we were
Speaker 1: at the Passport place in Atlanta and my daughter and
Speaker 1: I are playing I Spy and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I spy something green, and then she was we were
Speaker 1: staying next to an African American man and she was
Speaker 1: I saw as something black. And then I was just
Speaker 1: like no, like because I was just like I don't
Speaker 1: want to Like I'm like thinking my head like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, is she going to think? Like is she she?
Speaker 1: Is she thinking? You know? Is it was like? And
Speaker 1: then I end up having a conversation like hey baby,
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't and ended up just being
Speaker 1: the keyboard. But in my mind, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like I really think that. Up until the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, we were kind of told not to call
Speaker 1: a black person a black person. I know, I've been
Speaker 1: taught that, and so it makes us uncomfortable when someone
Speaker 1: says that. But now I think that it's kind of
Speaker 1: people are saying like, yes, you see color. Don't say
Speaker 1: I don't see color, because you see color. And that's
Speaker 1: the conversation that me and my son have had a lot.
Speaker 1: And he's a great human being and he has friends
Speaker 1: all over the and we do have those conversations, a
Speaker 1: lot of those conversations. But I do sometimes get to that,
Speaker 1: you know, place of what I've been taught, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I get scared, you know, I'm like, oh, your
Speaker 1: black friend. Oh wait, you know, you know he is black?
Speaker 1: Can I say that he's black? You know? Or you
Speaker 1: know whatever? And I think it's just being honest. I
Speaker 1: think you're right and having those conversations, and I think
Speaker 1: I'm amazed at how I mean. I guess I give
Speaker 1: us props because we have raised him right and he
Speaker 1: does love everybody the same. But it's definitely an ongoing conversation.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think you look at like kids are
Speaker 1: so kids are so different from us, right because even
Speaker 1: you know, like I joke all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school, and I grew up a
Speaker 1: certain way and I played sports, and so there are
Speaker 1: so many influential white people in my life, you know,
Speaker 1: like my Mom's still close to my coaches from growing
Speaker 1: up because those were the people that did a ton
Speaker 1: for me and helped me. It's as you get older
Speaker 1: and become more aware that these biases affect your life.
Speaker 1: You know, um, I think like, like you mentioned being thirteen,
Speaker 1: and those kids like they truly don't see a difference,
Speaker 1: Like they're really like homeboy. But we all go to
Speaker 1: school together, we play basketball. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: But then as you get older, think about, like, really
Speaker 1: look at your life and think to yourself, how all
Speaker 1: didn't do I plan a dinner? Do I plan a party?
Speaker 1: Do I have an outing that I'm inviting somebody that
Speaker 1: doesn't look like me? Right? How many? How many groups
Speaker 1: or couples or families are people I'm close to that
Speaker 1: didn't grow up like me? Right? We begin to section
Speaker 1: ourselves off as we get over because obviously you want
Speaker 1: to be around people who you have common interests with
Speaker 1: and understanding and who you enjoy being around. But the
Speaker 1: age your son is when you're at school, you don't
Speaker 1: get the pick who you go to school. What I
Speaker 1: always is, when we get to a point in our
Speaker 1: lives where we get to pick our friends, we get
Speaker 1: to pick our surroundings. That's when we truly start to segregate. Mhm, right,
Speaker 1: people that look like you. And one more thing too, Um,
Speaker 1: the whole thing about not bringing up race is it
Speaker 1: protecting them from the race racial talk whatever. I hate
Speaker 1: when somebody's like, hey, you guys outside who he's about
Speaker 1: six four, he has short hair, black or white? Dude,
Speaker 1: He's gonna cut out half the population if you just
Speaker 1: say black and white. Like, just running from the word
Speaker 1: black or white doesn't make you not racist or racist.
Speaker 1: It's a description words. So like my my son Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm going to fishing Saturday. Who you're fishing with? My
Speaker 1: white butter down in the keys? Oh, Scotty, Yeah, Scott,
Speaker 1: Do you remember Scotty? And we just it's like it's
Speaker 1: not nothing negative to that. Do you think everyone Do
Speaker 1: you think everyone feels that way though? Like I literally
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with my husband, who is white,
Speaker 1: who described someone as a black man. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: why did you have to say that he's he's like,
Speaker 1: because he's black and that's descriptive word. But I don't
Speaker 1: say my white friend Julie, like I don't know, but
Speaker 1: he was trying to explain to me because there was
Speaker 1: a white one and there was a black, you know,
Speaker 1: so he was trying to explain, but I like kind
Speaker 1: of like defensive, like, well, what is that supposed to mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it's it's I don't know, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's just it's saying, you know, if somebody's like, hey,
Speaker 1: telling what you're doing. I was on the podcast which
Speaker 1: one with two people that have long hair, white ladders
Speaker 1: up in Nashville got us on the wine down like
Speaker 1: it's just in this Christian word like that gets to
Speaker 1: me too. It's the first thing I said. But anybody
Speaker 1: who's outside, big old black dude, so like just and
Speaker 1: even that, just to say that with the kids, to like,
Speaker 1: if you run for words, like Freddy was saying too,
Speaker 1: if you run from it, then they start running from it.
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna get away from it. So now
Speaker 1: they learn it through their friends and through other people,
Speaker 1: because we have I've attended a nine year old and
Speaker 1: we talked about it. They've seen me snap on people
Speaker 1: because somebody says something rotatory towards another race and they're
Speaker 1: in the back seat and I'm driving and I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't don't put that crap in my kid's minds. Don't
Speaker 1: be talking about this and am using this racial slurs
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it around my children. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that to them. You do that to your kids,
Speaker 1: and my kids will sit there and through that it
Speaker 1: clicks to them like, oh yeah, Dad, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Dad ain't dealing with that. So, like I would say,
Speaker 1: don't be scared of it, because running from it, nobody's
Speaker 1: changed if you run it from it. Just talking about it, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having this conversation. And you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of I think it was the end
Speaker 1: of the beginning of y'all's podcast, you asked me what
Speaker 1: my pivot was, and so I want to know what
Speaker 1: your guys pivot it was in life. So Fred, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start with you. Ben, I'm first up. You sure,
Speaker 1: because you always are last at that last little thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm making you go first step now, no pressure,
Speaker 1: No pressure for me, Janna. It's really uh other than
Speaker 1: my last pivot, which was an amazing pivot to start
Speaker 1: this show. The pivot, I thought that was a great move.
Speaker 1: It just opened my eyes on a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you can be friend guys and but you still have
Speaker 1: to go back and take care your responsibilities. So uh,
Speaker 1: that was the third strike for me where I've allowed
Speaker 1: someone to get me comfortable within myself and actually take
Speaker 1: advantage of me, you know, to a certain extent. My
Speaker 1: first agent was a was a black guy who I
Speaker 1: my My father didn't come back from the military and
Speaker 1: talents of sophomore or junior in high school. We didn't
Speaker 1: have a relationship when I was young. My mom didn't
Speaker 1: know who my father was until later on, and we
Speaker 1: did DNA tests all that stuff. He came back in
Speaker 1: my life, but we still didn't have relationships. So when
Speaker 1: I left college, the first guy, black guy, wanted to
Speaker 1: be my agent. Sure find okay, he took advantage of
Speaker 1: me put some of my first signing bonus in the
Speaker 1: Punzi scheme. That was mistake number one, But I learned
Speaker 1: a valuable Let's event, or at least I thought I
Speaker 1: did um going forward, went with a Jewish guy. The
Speaker 1: Jewish guys are good guys, they know money, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Befriended me back at college. Long story short, that went south.
Speaker 1: I lost some money, learned a lesson now that I
Speaker 1: try and teach my children. Um and lastly the most
Speaker 1: recent one by not having all of the business button
Speaker 1: up prior to starting this podcast, which we have everything
Speaker 1: button up. I love these guys, positive energy, the chemistry
Speaker 1: is amazing. At leastion she does a great job along
Speaker 1: with our in hounce attorney Johnny Williams. So we have
Speaker 1: things button up, you know, and we're able to be
Speaker 1: transparent with each other and things are moving good. But
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, my my biggest pivot
Speaker 1: for me in life it's, um, you know, just just
Speaker 1: being more responsible, being an adult. Having those situations allowed
Speaker 1: me to be a better father, a better husband, a
Speaker 1: better friend. I'm always trying to teach through those things
Speaker 1: where I m I talked finance. We don't get that
Speaker 1: a lot in our communities. I come from this disadvantaged community,
Speaker 1: Uh just a house, but we just didn't have financial
Speaker 1: literacy in our household. I was the first millionaire. Uh
Speaker 1: So learning these things and trying and giving them back
Speaker 1: to my communities, to my family, my friends, uh to
Speaker 1: upcoming athletes. I would say that's my biggest pivot because
Speaker 1: I never thought I had to really know these things.
Speaker 1: I thought I can just you know, hire people and
Speaker 1: trust them and put them in position to do right
Speaker 1: by me. But it didn't happen that way. So learning
Speaker 1: and myself taking the time, and now I'm able to
Speaker 1: give it back and I'm better for it. I'd say
Speaker 1: that's my biggest pivot because I can give back a lot.
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you Channing, my little duet singer
Speaker 1: of a Little Mermaid. Oh that was God? Have you working?
Speaker 1: You what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of praise. I appreciate you giving me that platform.
Speaker 1: But no, um, my biggest pivot, I say. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people say retirement, because retirement it's it's
Speaker 1: not easy. But we all three kind of had something
Speaker 1: to fall into after retiring from football and that being
Speaker 1: your life for so long. But when I really, when
Speaker 1: you're asking, I think about it, obvious, honestly was kind
Speaker 1: of life friends are like growing up, you know, getting married,
Speaker 1: me my wife, having kids, like changing my changing that
Speaker 1: aspect of life, like not hanging out as much anymore
Speaker 1: and not you know, always going out calling the boys
Speaker 1: in the morning, going out you know, to watch every game,
Speaker 1: going and do this and more. Shiftings to being a father,
Speaker 1: being responsible, giving those lessons we talked about today, like
Speaker 1: really making an effort that when you're when we're going fishing,
Speaker 1: and me and my family, my wife, we all fish
Speaker 1: a lot when we're fishing, trying to have some meaningful
Speaker 1: conversations as well as the fun. So you know, you're
Speaker 1: sitting there, you're waiting riding the boat to get to
Speaker 1: a fishing spot. We could talk about football, or we
Speaker 1: could talk about something in life for five minutes, just
Speaker 1: say a little something here there. So really that, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting married. My wife changed me a lot. I
Speaker 1: didn't I never I didn't. I wanted to have kids,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to get married. It was weird
Speaker 1: love dynamic in my mind. But once I found Asia,
Speaker 1: once I found my wife, and like, you know, I
Speaker 1: got somebody can talk to, and that can you know,
Speaker 1: we do everything together, the finances, the mortgages, the investments, everybody.
Speaker 1: I know, she knows on her whole entire life. I
Speaker 1: never thought I would be there with another human and
Speaker 1: just that that was just a big paper for me
Speaker 1: and just a you know, like happily married man, Like
Speaker 1: I really am a damn happily married man. That that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It is man, you know, I bootcate Now I'm happy
Speaker 1: with my bootcage. About the roads, I didn't talk about
Speaker 1: walking down the street in Gamesville, barefoot bars, getting arrested.
Speaker 1: He's a changed man that I was getting locked up
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff until I met my wife, Jenny.
Speaker 1: I love that. Wow. I mean, not to lock up part,
Speaker 1: but that your wife. You know, sometimes it takes a
Speaker 1: special woman to lock you down in a different way, right, ye,
Speaker 1: A very special one. Yeah. I Um, I guess it's
Speaker 1: it's a hard question. Um. I think that like I'm
Speaker 1: still pivoting, to be honest. Um, you know, you continue
Speaker 1: like life is an evolution, you know, and I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not great every place. I need to be great in life,
Speaker 1: you know, and you continue to you know, you continue
Speaker 1: to work, You continue to try to be better. You
Speaker 1: try to you try to listen to the people that
Speaker 1: are close to you. But you go through like so many,
Speaker 1: like so many different phases in life. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Channing mentioned retirement. Fred talked to you about the different
Speaker 1: agents and the people that you know try to take
Speaker 1: advantage of you. I think the biggest pivot for me
Speaker 1: has been understanding and being okay with being who I am.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we we always feel like we
Speaker 1: have to be certain things or we have to show
Speaker 1: a certain way, and we want to be perceived a
Speaker 1: certain way. And the thing that changed for me probably
Speaker 1: a few years ago was that, you know what, this
Speaker 1: is who I am. I'm going to be consistent for
Speaker 1: being that, and I'm gonna be it every day And
Speaker 1: that way people will look at me and they may
Speaker 1: not like it, they may not love it, but they'll
Speaker 1: know who I am. Now they can look at me
Speaker 1: and say, this is who Ryan Clark is, and this
Speaker 1: is how I want to treat it. This is how
Speaker 1: I want him to be a part of my life.
Speaker 1: And I think that that was that was something that
Speaker 1: that freed me to be honest, you know, to to
Speaker 1: be able to be authentically you and not have the
Speaker 1: fear of being rejected, right because I think it's always
Speaker 1: so hard for us to truly be vulnerable and show
Speaker 1: people who we are, because now if they don't accept us,
Speaker 1: we feel like something's wrong with us, you know. Whereas
Speaker 1: if we walk around and we're fake and we're trying
Speaker 1: to make everyone happy, we may be accepted in every room,
Speaker 1: but we're never truly ourselves. And so for me, it
Speaker 1: was just waking up one day and being like, man, like,
Speaker 1: this is it, you know, because I always had like
Speaker 1: that chip on my shoulder, the underdog thing, not fast enough,
Speaker 1: not big enough, all of these things my entire life.
Speaker 1: So I always felt like I had to please people
Speaker 1: around me and make people happy. And so it was
Speaker 1: just finally getting to a point where I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't really care how do you
Speaker 1: feel about but this is who God made me to be. Um.
Speaker 1: It always needs to improve, right, and you always have
Speaker 1: to be working to be better. But we kind of
Speaker 1: are what we are guys, you know, and like it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you that same thing every single day.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well. Fred Channing to Ryan, thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much for coming on wind Down. It's been awesome.
Speaker 1: I just adore you guys. I think you guys are amazing,
Speaker 1: and I just think you for having the conversation and
Speaker 1: being friends. No, we appreciate it. You put us in, Jenna,
Speaker 1: you put us in like a whole new podcasting world
Speaker 1: in like the first month and a half of our show.
Speaker 1: Like just like when when people talk about that show,
Speaker 1: you know, and I could be honest, I would be
Speaker 1: really quick. I know, we gotta go. That was like,
Speaker 1: that was a big deal for our conversation, right you
Speaker 1: were you know, you were our first woman, and our
Speaker 1: first woman was a white woman on a largely you know,
Speaker 1: African American and black and minority supported show, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it wore there were conversations that had to
Speaker 1: be had about how we would be seen, and truly
Speaker 1: like we all just got to a point where we
Speaker 1: just like effort, you know. And it was and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, it was you that made us feel
Speaker 1: that happen. After we shot it and after we saw it,
Speaker 1: we were all like, drop put it out it from
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. You know. We talked about race on
Speaker 1: here a lot. It went from it being a white
Speaker 1: woman to being Janna, you know, And I think I
Speaker 1: think it's haught. It taught us something. It's hard our
Speaker 1: it's haught our subscribers and our followers something that every
Speaker 1: story has a right to be told. And the fact
Speaker 1: that you told your story on our platform and our
Speaker 1: show in the way that you did, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: As soon as it was over, we was all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: put that out like that's that's amazing. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: because you was you know, it wasn't because you know
Speaker 1: you were the white actors singer lady. You know, they
Speaker 1: won the show and you were Janna Kramer like one
Speaker 1: of the home girls. You know. You guys talked about
Speaker 1: like what y'all can show your kids, Show your kids
Speaker 1: that that a white woman who's been through a ton
Speaker 1: of things sat down with three former football players that
Speaker 1: were all black, and everybody had a connection. Everybody find
Speaker 1: a commonality, everyone could have a conversation. That's what you
Speaker 1: taught the world or everybody who watched our show that
Speaker 1: you know what man like, what we look like matters,
Speaker 1: but it's more about what we how we move, how
Speaker 1: we relate, how we treat each other. And so thank
Speaker 1: you so much. You know, if you ever need us,
Speaker 1: we got you because you did something for us that
Speaker 1: was amazing. Same same, same, like I feel all the
Speaker 1: same love. So thank you, and yes I'm here and
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm just right boys, But seriously, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you. And I'm going to make sure everyone is
Speaker 1: listening to wind right now watches um and listens to
Speaker 1: the Pivot. All right, thank you guys so much. Seriously, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a great money. Okay, I love them, just
Speaker 1: them as with them, like I just like I I
Speaker 1: just feel like they're like by like friends, like they
Speaker 1: got back they do and I think they're back, like
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like I'm obsessed with them
Speaker 1: so much. Such a great conversation. It's so good. It's
Speaker 1: such a good conversation to have. I love it. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean that's our show, guys, because that's like you
Speaker 1: just can't even um, listen to the Pivot podcast where
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts with Training crowder Fred Taylor, Ryan Clark,
Speaker 1: their three amazing former professional football players, um, and they
Speaker 1: talk about real deep stuff and again I really, um,
Speaker 1: you should definitely listen back to the and watch the
Speaker 1: episode that I did with them. I remember watching it too,
Speaker 1: being like wow, like that was so good. It's a
Speaker 1: good conversation. Um. But see you next week.