WEBVTT - Pivot to Win It 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heart radio podcast. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.440 All Right, So I'm very excited about this week because 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.480 Catherine and I had the chance well I mean, you 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.520 were like behind the scenes, dying, dying, but um, I 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.520 had the opportunity to sit down with Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.040 Ryan Clark, their three incredible former football players. Um. They 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.840 have a new podcast out called The Pivot Podcast, and 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.520 I was able to sit down with them and having 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.240 to have a really deep, authentic, vulnerable conversation with them, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.640 and I just the second I finished with their podcast, 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:40.080 I was like, can you guys please come on mind? 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.280 So I'm so excited. Let's welcome the Pivot Podcast dudes 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.560 on wine Down. I feel like I just guess I 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.640 keep saying I'm like my boys, my boys, and you 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.440 guys are probably like crazy, but I don't know. I 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.839 just like, I love you guys so much. And I 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.480 had such an such an amazing experience on y'all's podcast. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.720 I'm so excited that I have, UM, you guys here today, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.920 So thank you for joining me and Catherine. Um, that 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.360 was so much fun. Hey, guys actually get to be 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.360 a part of it this time instead of freaking out 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:18.040 in the background. We were freaking out for a little bit. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.040 Why were you freaking out? Trying to get everything together. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.160 Alicia's like, you're gonna love her, trust me, it's gonna 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.440 be great. So we're trying to collect everything. I'm like 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.160 the FBI, I'm I'm deep diving. I found out that 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.400 you've recently got baptized. I'm like, okay, I like that. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.080 So we're checking off these boxes. And it turned out amazing, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.920 it really did. It was great. It turned out amazing. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.640 Thank you. I feel like Katherine. She was in the back. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:48.200 I could hear her sometimes go oh, who is she 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.640 gonna answer that question? And then I get in the 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.160 car and I was like, hey, is there anything that 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.000 She's like? I mean, you know, and I was like, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.560 you know what, screwt. It was a great conversation and 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.560 let's just just just keep it all. It's fine. It 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.520 was great. I love that we we we we tell 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.400 a lot of our guests like we have full creative controls, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.239 so you can take out whatever you don't want or 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.920 one in. But yeah, I'm some crazy stuff. So I 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.600 was glad you're all gone hold bout it. We had 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.680 a real good time. I mean I feel like it's 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.160 one of those things where when you start to edit, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.280 that's where for me, like when I do this podcast too, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.880 it's like there's things, of course that I that I 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.560 say out of maybe frustration or anger or maybe I 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.840 just talked to my excerpts or a friend or whatever, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.679 and then I go, oh, crap, and then some things 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.320 I leave in and I wish I would have taken out. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.920 But at the same time, it's like when we start 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.600 to censor so much, then I just feel like I'm 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.959 not even like why I have this to be authentic 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.960 and open, and then when you start to go like, well, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.880 then what's the point of having that deep conversation? Yeah? Yeah, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.000 I think what's what's what's happening with us? And you know, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.160 it's so crazy because it feels like we've been doing 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.960 this podcast forever, but it hasn't even been three full months. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.239 And you know, at Licia comes to us and is like, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.160 you know, we would get Jenner Kramer, and so we 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.000 all like studying and we understand like how deep your 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.360 story was. What it gave us was an opportunity to 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.560 show different sides of ourselves as well. You know, I 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.200 think when you have a great guest like you, somebody 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.080 who is that open though, and somebody who you have 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.200 good energy with and a great vibe you do kind 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.040 of walk away like oh my god, Like do we 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.680 say that or do we talk about this? But like 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.800 that's the other piece of it is you want to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.960 show people, and we want to show people that no 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.480 matter how famous, no matter how successful, like, we're just 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.400 still all humans. And I think your story, uh not 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.800 only you know, was so your human side, but who 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.600 humanized us? Like three black football players are having this 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.839 conversation and you know, we're talking about being baptized, you're 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.680 talking about the things you've gone through in your marriages, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.480 the ways the ways that you rebounded, and so it 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.200 truly gave us an opportunity, um to have conversation we 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.840 don't get to and so we were just we were 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.600 so grateful that you came, grateful you were the way 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.280 you are. Because we've done an interview and had somebody 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.880 be like, I don't know about this part or take 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.280 o this. There's an interview that like we can't even 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.240 there's a podcast, like we can't even post because they 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.000 do so much out of it's not even a show. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.360 It's not our show, and so we were very for 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.120 you the way you were. Oh well, I mean, I 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.400 appreciate you saying that, but I mean it was it 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:26.839 was great to be able to sit down and just 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.640 have that conversation, especially because you know, in my mind too, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.719 I got to learn about y'all and because I've had 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.040 such a and I please don't take this the wrong way, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.760 but I've had such like a tainted image of my 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.360 mind of a football player, right because of what I've 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.320 gone through, and so I just kind of put that on, like, oh, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.159 every football player does this or does that, and it's 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.520 just so unfair to categorize you guys into a box 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.520 like you probably do the same thing that you know 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.279 this football player does or and that's just not fair 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.960 when I, you know, don't know y'all stories or how 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.200 you are as you know, husbands and friends and um players. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.279 So you know, that was really cool sit down and 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:11.080 kind of here like y'all's perspective, um, and I took 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.799 a lot of them that as well. Well. No, it 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.640 happens a lot too. I mean, the football player, you're 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.360 not your your stories from the past are crazy, Like 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.920 we went through them like it's a but it happens 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.160 to me. It happens to me all the time. I 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.839 guess some country and I joke around a lot and 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.720 people are like, look at me sometimes, but like, man, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.360 you're you're an intelligent dude. And I know it's a compliment, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.680 but I work backwards just saying, what the hell do 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.320 you think I was before you figured out I was 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.080 telling it, like you know that people do have preconcy 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.000 notions of athletes, football players or whatever it is. So 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.960 it's honestly great that we could talk. You know, we 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.039 could talk like so candidly and you can, like you said, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.960 understand our side. We understood your story where you come from, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.000 because all all five of us are from totally different places. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.480 But to have a connection, to have this small connections 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.160 in life and be able to grow friendships, I love. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.520 I love that part of it. Still talking to you 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.480 after after the show, still talking to people. Actually, we 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.280 were in Nashville and people were coming up to us. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.240 They were like, oh, man, did Jane claims? Is she cool? 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.040 And she she seems like she's cool as she was 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.120 and I'm like, yeahtually cool as like they were like, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.400 oh my goodness. I loved it so it expanded my 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.720 demographic of fans just sitting down with you, and you know, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.320 I'm sure if vice versa, like a lot of people 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.120 didn't know do you that know you now. So that's 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.279 the most beautiful thing about I just like talking to 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.120 good people and and finding those small connections that kind 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.719 of everybody sees the same level and I say, oh here, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.920 I was just gonna say, Fred, how are your one 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:41.400 liners going that real meaningful? We're still working with that. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.240 It's still uh, it helps create create the balance. So 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.880 we got the pro we got told and then we 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:54.159 got me. That's how it goes. But I was gonna 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.200 say this weekend, I've been in Nashville, ton playing the 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.239 Titans down there in the same division for years over 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.600 my thirteen year career. I never never missed the season 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.680 where we played down there. But I didn't get an 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.480 opportunity to get out in the city even when we 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.480 came down with you, other than seeing Ryan and high 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:18.120 form last time we were in Nashville. Other than that, 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.760 you know, I still hadn't got an opportunity to see 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.600 the city. But I can see why you ended up 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.200 in Nashville. You went from Detroit to New York l 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:35.200 A to Nashville. Lord, okay, perfect. I love Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:41.000 this past weekend. Whoa that I gotta go back. It 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.000 is so great. I mean a lot of music, the 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.720 bars Broadway right there is your third half. It's great, man, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.200 it's great. Yeah, no, it's it's a It's an amazing place. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.160 Next time we will make sure we can all get together. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.360 But you know, it was it was really cool to 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.200 see how well received that episode was too, so I 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.880 was I was happy about that. Um, but I have 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.960 to ask your guys opinion on uh what happened with 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.840 Will Smith the oscars Um. I mean, I definitely have 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.640 my thoughts, but I just you know, it was one 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:16.840 of the things where I was like, I want to 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.560 talk to you guys about it, and um, something came 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.240 up for me when I was watching your Antonio Brown interview, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.160 which because i'm and I'm a fan of the Pivot 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.480 podcast and now I watched him and it was something 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.880 that you said to about because he was wearing his 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.520 um what was that? Yeah, knye hoodie and and I 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.440 think it was Ryan you said. You know, Um, it's 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:44.080 hard to I don't want to misspeak at all. Um, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.719 I asked, did he think that people could take him 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:54.440 seriously and the perception right, yeah, because we'll see it, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.120 people see it a different way and they don't necessarily 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.880 understand that is just fashion. And also too, you know, 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.440 when you're doing and saying certain things and you look 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.560 a certain way, people can't like. The visual is so 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.160 important to people, you know. Did you think about the 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.280 things that you've heard about people and then that you've 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.079 seen it, you know, and this is obviously the same situation, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.240 but think about what we thought we knew about ray 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.680 Rice and and and how seed them as to what 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.800 happened once we all got to see it. And trying 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.280 to explain to Antonio is like, the visual and the 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.360 perception of those things is not necessarily always who we 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.880 truly are or what we want to be. But you 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.679 have to be aware of that, you know, last night 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.640 was but last night it was absolutely crazy to Yeah, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.480 I mean, and I will because when I look at 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.120 it with especially when I was relating, and there's no 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.160 true relation, but in the sense of you know, um, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.920 how I know int new Brown is like, oh he's 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.040 a you know, he's a great player, but is that 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.200 now overshadowed by all of his actions on the sidelines 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.040 and the whatever. And so when I look at the 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.240 Wills situation, is this he's he's been working for an 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.080 Oscar for thirty years now. This is so overshadowed. And 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.200 and also, you know, the it just looked like the 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.640 you know, the there never should have abuse or any 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.560 of those things. And then it just was kind of like, Okay, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.520 it's forgotten. And he didn't even apologize to Chris Rock. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.720 So I'm just curious what you're at, y'alls. No, I don't. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.600 I don't think it's gonna ever be forgotten. You would 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.640 have the greatest night in television, you know, the greatest 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:45.320 uh war ceremony as it relates to TV movies except whatever. Uh, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.720 it's gonna be a stain on his on on his legacy, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.440 you know, on his his Uh you know this award, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.840 it's gonna always be a stain. And not only that, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.480 you know, it's gonna always involve being in serena their dad, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.680 you know the reason he won the Oscar. It's totally unacceptable. Uh. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.320 He later said in this you know, in this space, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.200 you have to be able to be able to handle 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.640 disrespect I agree with that. I also agree what Denzel 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.959 told him that at your highest moment, this is when 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:22.360 the devils will attack you. He should have known that beforehand. Um, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.280 I don't condone, you know, his actions. Uh, I think 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.840 that Chris was the bigger man at the end of 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.559 the day by not retaliating. I showed some extreme professionalism 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.320 in that sense. I don't condone what Chris said about Jada, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.280 But he is a comedian, so a lot of times 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.439 they get passes on a lot of things. They say, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.760 Uh still, if if Will had a chance to do 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.520 it again, maybe he does it. And you know, backstage, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:58.400 so we all think it's a rumor. Right, come over here, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.000 let's let's talk whatever and then but you know, still, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.400 I don't condone it even if he's done that way. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.360 But there are certain ways to handle different things that 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.880 if you do feel some some aggression, you know, coming 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.840 to the forefront, uh totally wrong, really out of pocket, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.400 and uh, I don't think he will ever be able 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.959 to uh make right of it. But it wasn't that bad. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.840 It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that to make a 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:30.559 ball joke like I get she has so she has alopecia, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.760 which I can understand it being you know, like that's 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.520 something that's you know, hard for her. At the same time, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.920 it's like how many times have people been made fun 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.240 of for their addictions or there. I mean, it's just 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.800 that's people show up for the first five minutes of 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.640 the oscars to hear the kind of um roasting of 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.400 it all, and it's like it's yes, and again, like 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.280 what what what world would it be if something he 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.560 came in the side was like hey, like don't do that, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.439 you know, and like have a respectful if you're a 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.000 vessel of love, like he says, a vessel of love 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.360 would never get on stage and just straight up bitch 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:09.960 slap somebody. But I think it's even even the jokes 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.000 that we have with our s about him and I 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.959 have an organ and like he has a serious disease 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.880 that kills people, But we could joke about that. You 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.920 can't joke about alopecia. How many lives is alopecia? Take it? 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.840 She has alopecia. So here we go. Yeah, I do, 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.600 I do. I've dealt with it since it was eight 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.719 seventeen eighteen. Now I have not had to shave my 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.800 head um, And I don't really know her reasoning because 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.000 it's different bald spots, you know, and I don't know 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.480 if hers is a little bit different or what. Um. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.959 You know, I might not have loved it, but I 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.079 also would not have expected my husband to do that either, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.160 So you know, it's it's you know, it's distasteful. I agree, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.160 I don't think you should have made the joke, But 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.360 also Will laughed at it, which I was very confused by, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.880 Like he laughed and then all of a sudden he's 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.320 on stage slapping him. So I was confused by. And 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.280 I guess maybe he just saw her face because clearly 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.760 she was upset. He got upset. But then the same 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.200 like Will was in a bad place anyway, Yeah, like 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.640 after the whole acceptance stuff. It's it seemed like he 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.880 was on edge already. Ye. My problem this is when 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.320 you choose to be tough. No like they like like 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.880 we didn't seen, we didn't seen Will and some bad 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.160 spots fooling around with Jada recently, right the the table talk, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.480 the entainment, all of those things like this, the day 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.720 you choose to be hard, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.600 come on, and also too we all know this, Channey, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.520 Like I know, in no place in America would I 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.480 ever walk up to you or Fred and slap one 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.280 of y'all and not expect to fight. Yeah, yeah, you 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.800 know who you're dealing with. Like he understood that. That 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.960 was Chris Chris Rock. He understood what the moment was. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:02.800 And honestly, y'all, I forgot he won the Oscar, right, Like, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.040 nobody posting about that. Nobody's talking about how hard this 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.640 man has worked his entire life for the fact that 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.400 he was broke when he had an opportunity to audition 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.960 for the Fresh Prince of bel Air. And this is 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.280 the culmination of that. Like, this is the climax of 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.360 all of those things, and we are not talking about it. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.040 You gotta thing, bro This puts him in the category 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.120 with Holly Berry. This puts him in the category still Washington, Washington, 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.240 as African Americans who have won an Oscar, and we 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.440 don't even get to celebrate that. He doesn't get to 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.760 celebrate that as a culture, as a community, as a people, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.120 we can't talk about that in our excitement, right, our 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.080 opportunity to finally feel like, okay, another time we are 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.040 recognized for what we can do. I totally agree in 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.720 echo what RC is saying. You know, we we do 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.480 definitely as a black community. You know, these things are 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.800 you and and and not so often. But Will is 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.760 an amazing talent, but you don't get an opportunity to really, uh, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.720 you know, celebrate his night again. It's gonna be staying 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.800 the legacy, you know, a this acceptance is going to 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.520 be staying. But I do commend Chris Rock, you know, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.320 just for being a bigger person, because just imagine what 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.120 it looks like if not only one black man slapping 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.520 another black man or another human thing, uh, in front 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.640 of the entire world, if we had two black men 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:36.200 fighting on television, two black men fighting, that's just gonna 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.160 put us in a box that says, you know, these 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.080 black guys, they just don't know how to act. Maybe 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.280 they don't deserve to be here. And quite naturally, those 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.800 are you know, some of the conversations that were at 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.200 least from you know, our side of things, believe, uh 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.920 is what's going on with the oscars for the most partum, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.320 because we do have some very talented, amazing African American 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.040 actors and actresses. Uh, sometimes we felt that they haven't gotten, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.720 you know, the recognition of the glory uh that they 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.760 or the achievements that they deserved. So I can only 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.919 imagine if Chris had retaliated. It's just it's a complete 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.520 It's this look multiplied times ten. I believe if Chris 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.520 Rock had responded mm hmm, yeah, I want to give 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.040 Crystal love. He's tugged his chip, poking his chin out, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.760 took a smack, and then started talking about documentaries. Let's 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.760 be honest, this this man eight the one and just 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.359 kept working. So I get Cristal Prader for that, But no, 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.160 I'm hun to see what y'all saying. As a black community, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.520 all that we've been through, you know, Jim Crow and 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:49.000 all the the racial injustices and everything happens, right, so 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.240 we take pride in it as a people. As a 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.440 group of people, we take pride to any success that 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.240 you know, at a high level of a black woman, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.439 of black woman, a black man take And it really 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.320 it did. Like Freddy was saying that, just that's what 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.720 gave me the funny feeling that the joke I said, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.840 the joke didn't jump off like I didn't. I didn't, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.520 I didn't, I didn't cringe when the joke hit. I 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.600 cringe when I saw the responses in the crowd and 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.919 I saw the social media and the action of what 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.240 they were saying, taking taking the honorable night of Will 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.280 Smith to making it something bad for for everybody that 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.080 was supporting Will. Everybody was back in the fresh Prince 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.600 of Bell every day and he was making them terrible 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.520 rap songs. I was still buying his album and now 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.080 you you're seeing him just put it, put a stain 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.800 on his night. And now it was the thing that 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.760 got to me more than the joke and the interaction 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.280 as a fifth year old man. You shouldn't be slapping nobody. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.399 That's the flat out thing. Like at one r C. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.639 Preddy like I think at you could still slap somebody 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.760 and saying motion got the best of you. Even where 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.320 we are now, I'm like, I'm I'm the youngest one, 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:54.760 I'm late thirties. We can't go around slapping people. People, Seriously, 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.199 there's nothing that anybody can do other than hitting me 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.480 first to make me slap them like that the crazy 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.080 there's two thousand pointy two. You can't just slap folks. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.280 That's the flat out human side of it. There's a 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.120 lot more to it, but just don't slap nobody, especially 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.640 on national TV, especially at the Oscars, there's a lot 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.440 to it. You can't slap people. That would be that 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.720 would be my main focus is But like that's the 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.680 crazy thing is like what goes through your head when 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.040 you're sitting there before you walk on stage to slap 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.439 Chris Rock? You know what I'm saying? Like that, Like, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.200 at some point you have to have the thought process. Okay, 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.320 we're at the Oscars. The joke actually ain't that bad. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.160 And I know Chris Rock. I know Will Smith has 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.040 Chris Rock's number. M h'm does, and I'm certain that 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.600 he knows that they can have a conversation. And now, 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.480 if you have a conversation with Chris Rock after the 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.960 show and Chris Rock continues to be what you consider disrespectful, 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.480 slap the name. You know what I'm saying, No, like 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.840 like really like I I understand what you're saying, channeing 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.119 Like we can't just go around popping people, that's for sure. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.919 But even if you have that big of an issue 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.800 with it, have the conversation with him. If Chris Rock 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.879 is like you know what I you it was funny. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.040 I'm glad I said it, and I don't care that 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.320 your wife have alopecia, then slap it. But but but 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.520 to to ruin so not only ruin that moment, but 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.560 to do that in that instance to Chris Rock, Like 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:25.040 Chris Rock didn't deserve that for doing what was his job, right. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.280 I have issues with people and the way they do 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.840 their jobs sometimes, but I don't get it was just 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:51.399 and and slap me and punch me. Where do you 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.879 guys think that we're at with UM kind of a 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.879 society and whole with you know, when there was the 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.959 because and I'm trying to like I want to make 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.560 sure again and I use my words correctly with this UM. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.280 You know, when everything happened a few years ago, there 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.560 started more of a movement, more talking about BLM and 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.520 UM and where UM. And we had some people on 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:20.159 the podcast and I it's I'm still like, I I 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.160 don't want to how do I say this? Like I 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.840 I'm trying to learn and but at the same time, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.440 like people are like UM. I think it was one 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.720 of Mickey She's like black people shouldn't have to feel 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:38.480 like they have to teach us UM what they went 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.600 through or and I'm like, I just want to understand, 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.680 like that's why, Like one of my very good girlfriends 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.920 is a African American woman and Mickey guy and she's amazing, 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.080 and it's like, I don't know what you went through, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.159 Like I want to understand because I I didn't. We 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.320 have different and I you know, and even um, you 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.480 guys know Chris Spencer, like he came on our podcast. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.560