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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heart radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm very excited about this week because

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Speaker 1: Catherine and I had the chance well I mean, you

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Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, their three incredible former football players. Um. They

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Speaker 1: have a new podcast out called The Pivot Podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I was able to sit down with them and having

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Speaker 1: and I just the second I finished with their podcast,

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Speaker 1: So I'm so excited. Let's welcome the Pivot Podcast dudes

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Speaker 1: on wine Down. I feel like I just guess I

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Speaker 1: keep saying I'm like my boys, my boys, and you

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Speaker 1: had such an such an amazing experience on y'all's podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited that I have, UM, you guys here today,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me and Catherine. Um, that

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Speaker 1: in the background. We were freaking out for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Why were you freaking out? Trying to get everything together.

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Speaker 1: Alicia's like, you're gonna love her, trust me, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be great. So we're trying to collect everything. I'm like

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Speaker 1: the FBI, I'm I'm deep diving. I found out that

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Speaker 1: you've recently got baptized. I'm like, okay, I like that.

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Speaker 1: So we're checking off these boxes. And it turned out amazing,

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Speaker 1: it really did. It was great. It turned out amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel like Katherine. She was in the back.

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Speaker 1: I could hear her sometimes go oh, who is she

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Speaker 1: let's just just just keep it all. It's fine. It

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Speaker 1: was great. I love that we we we we tell

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Speaker 1: it's like there's things, of course that I that I

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like when we start

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Speaker 1: not even like why I have this to be authentic

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Speaker 1: I think what's what's what's happening with us? And you know,

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Speaker 1: And you know, at Licia comes to us and is like,

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Speaker 1: still all humans. And I think your story, uh not

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Speaker 1: humanized us? Like three black football players are having this

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Speaker 1: And I think it's always for the naysayers or for

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Speaker 1: the people who want to oppose what we're saying or

426
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: want to oppose this movement, I think they always feel

427
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: like Black people want to be treated special, right, that

428
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: we want to be above the law, or we want

429
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: to get more. That's not what we're asking. What we're

430
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: saying is the same rules, the same opportunities, the same

431
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: chances that everyone else gets. That's what we want as well.

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00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: We want the a level playing field in all fatises

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Speaker 1: of fatises of life. And that's truly what everybody deserves.

434
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: And so what has happened for me though, um, you know,

435
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: when we speak of changing the narrative is we also

436
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: have to look at other people who feel slighter. Right,

437
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: we have to look at the way Asian Americans were

438
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: treated in right, we have to look at the l

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Speaker 1: g B, t Q plus community as well. And so

440
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: what I've started doing is diving into different things as

441
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: it pertains to others, as it does to me. And

442
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: I think you can't be against one injustice and not

443
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: recognize that there are other injustice is happening. And so

444
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: for for for me, it's been about expanding my knowledge

445
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: on other things, on other people, and if we can

446
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: now become aware of how we're treated and also help

447
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: others who are treated unfairly, I think that's where we

448
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: grow as a society. And body gets that planned field

449
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: level as they wanted. And Jane, I say, it's funny

450
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: because you you were kind of trying to, you know,

451
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: figure out the right way to say it. I never, Yeah,

452
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't because I feel like

453
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: you can easily say something like you know, and I

454
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: don't want to. But that's the thing, it's something Marcy

455
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: said it perfectly. He's that he's beautiful with his words

456
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: but he it was a great point. But like even

457
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: that the question for you to ask and want to

458
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: really know, you know, like the Tradia Martin's, the George Floyd's,

459
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: like that is so violent. People are dying to bring

460
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: something to the forefront, which you shouldn't be like that,

461
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Like people should want the Asian Asian Americans, they should

462
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: want women. They shouldn't want marginalization. They shoun't want red

463
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: lining communities. Like all the stuff we know is going on,

464
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: the the the wage gap, you know, the different places

465
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: where now oh this this person lives here, these people

466
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: live here is like oh that it's it's it's in

467
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: black and white, Like we know what's going on. If

468
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: you want to learn and you want to understand other people,

469
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: ask questions. We talk to people. We talked to different people.

470
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: I talked to different people style, sexes all day long,

471
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: and just ask questions. Just get like let me, let

472
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Speaker 1: me get one thing from you that I can take

473
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Speaker 1: and make myself a better person, maybe passing out of

474
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: my kids one day. And that's the thing. So asking

475
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: the questions is where it all needs to start and

476
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: really wanting to know the answer, not saying oh oh yeah,

477
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: the black lives matters out. Now, let's you know, let's

478
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: talk to some black people. Know what do you go

479
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: through a daily basis that I don't Why when I

480
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: get out, you know, I get out my nice struck,

481
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I get out, I come out and walk out my

482
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: million dollar house. Why do people double double take when

483
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: I walking out my front door. I can have a

484
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: nice house. Don't you have a nice house. So just

485
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: the understanding of that is what, It's what the main thing.

486
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: And it's easier said that done, obviously, because it's still

487
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: going on to two. People are still getting killed and

488
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: racism everywhere. But you even asking the question, jail, that's

489
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: the greatest. That's that's how change is gonna happen. Conversation. Correct.

490
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: And I want to add to myself that I've experienced

491
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Speaker 1: some discrimination. I don't necessarily call it racism, but I

492
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: feel that I've been discriminated upon in certain instances just

493
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: being out in the community to the point where I

494
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: might sell who's made millions of dollars. I don't feel

495
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: comfortable in certain neighborhoods right because I know that it

496
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: comes with a certain stigma and perception where if I'm

497
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: driving down my license is valid. I don't. I have

498
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: a great driving record. My insurance is update. But sometimes

499
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: if you're certain areas that they're at certain times, there

500
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: are officers in those areas doing their jobs, but sometimes

501
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: they they do more than their job. And you know,

502
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: if I'm a black guy in this neighborhood, you know,

503
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: after a certain time. For example, when I was growing up,

504
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: uh before I made it to the NFL and all

505
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: this other stuff, it was said, I grew up in

506
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: Palm Beach County. You have West Palm Beach, you have

507
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, you know, but most of the time people say,

508
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to Palm Beach, But that's the entire county

509
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: in the hole. But Palm Beaches, you cross the bridge

510
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: and now you're over you know, Mari Lago, what Trump

511
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: is and thirty million dollar homes. That's an area you

512
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: were told not to be across that side of the

513
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: bridge after you know, six six thirty because the cops

514
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: are gonna harash you. And this was when I was

515
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: a teenager. So even now as an adult, although you know,

516
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: I carry myself appropriately and now to talk to officers,

517
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: I know how to handle certain situations, I still don't

518
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: feel comfortable, you know, because I just want to avoid those, uh,

519
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: those things, those you know, uh encounters, potential encounters. But

520
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: we have to deal with that, you know. It's unfortunate

521
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: that we have to deal with that. We have to

522
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: deal with a lot. I don't want to uh, you know,

523
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to seem as if everyone is crying.

524
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is we're gonna get

525
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: pointed out before you know, other individuals or racists get

526
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: pointed out to their own kind and vice versus two.

527
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a white person in certain areas

528
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: other hood, it's either you know, you're gonna get robbed,

529
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: are you gonna get sold serve and cocaine and crack

530
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: or something because they're gonna think you're a junkie if

531
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: you're in the hood. You know. So it actually works

532
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: both ways, but I think it's more prevalent, uh as

533
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: it relates to the to the African American H minority communities.

534
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I think the I think the thing that it is

535
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: more than anything too. It's like we all have these biases. Um,

536
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: I think many of us don't believe that we're racist.

537
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of people feel like they're

538
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: not racist, but they're not they're not aware of the

539
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: cultural biases. And I remember years back, uh, when some

540
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: things was going on, Mark Cuban made this statement. Mark

541
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: Human said, you know, and he took a lot of

542
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: heat because he mentioned a black man in the hoodie,

543
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: and obviously everyone drew that back on Trayvon Martin. But

544
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: what was if I'm walking down the street and I'm

545
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: on the street and there's a white guy with the

546
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: ball head with tattoos everywhere, I'm going to walk to

547
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: the other side of the street. And he said, And

548
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: if I'm on that side of the street and it's

549
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: late at night and a guy's walking towards me and

550
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: he's black with the hood on, I'm gonna cross back over.

551
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: And what he was trying to explain is the the

552
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: biases and quote unquote kind of awarenesses we have of

553
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: certain stereotypes. But the problem is in African American communities,

554
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: those stereotypes have gotten lives taken. So that issue and

555
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, whenever someone wants to oppose black lives matter

556
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: or they want to be on the negative side of

557
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: of what black people are trying to portray to him,

558
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: they talk about, you know, black on black crime, all

559
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: of these things. It's about how society is set up.

560
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: It's about those in authority positions and the way that

561
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: they treat black people. See, it's okay, Like it's okay

562
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: if I'm walking down the street and you call me

563
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: an inn word because you're ignorant. I can live with that.

564
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: What's not okay is if you run a business and

565
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: you won't promote black people, or you won't even if

566
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: it's women, or you won't give them the same opportunity. Like,

567
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: that's the discrimination and racism, right. The racism is if

568
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: if if you're if you're a judge and a black

569
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: person is accused of a crime or convicted of a

570
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: crime and they get a harsher sentence than a white

571
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: person would get. Those are the type of discriminations and

572
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: and that's the type of racism that kills because that

573
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: kills lives. Right. It doesn't allow you know, it doesn't

574
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: allow people to build wealth, it doesn't allow people to

575
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: have careers, It doesn't allow people to take care of

576
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: their families. Those are the discriminations and the racisms that

577
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: are important, Like just being an ignorant person and not

578
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: liking black people. If you ain't harming me or stopping

579
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: me from living my life. I really don't care about that.

580
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: But I care about it is you see a guy

581
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: like George Floyd be nailed on for the amount of

582
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: time he was kneeled on, and not at any point

583
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: was there any compassion, was there any care, was there

584
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: any concern. It's about the devaluing of black lives. That's

585
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: more than that. That's more than just I don't care

586
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: about you. It's you don't exist to me, and not

587
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: existing for people is not okay. It's good. Yeah, well,

588
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I think it's also good that you are asking questions.

589
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: I know you had that issue and you had Mickey on. Well,

590
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: Mike was very insensitive. He was Mike. I mean to

591
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: the point where I saw Mickey in the airport and

592
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: I had to apologize to her again because my ex

593
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: had made her cry and she ended up leaving the conversation.

594
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: And I was even just like, wow, did you how

595
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: could you? How would you say that? He basically yeah,

596
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: he's he was talking to Mickey and this is the

597
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: week that everything happened a couple of years ago. And

598
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, again, I wanted to bring my friend on

599
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: because I'm like I'm sorry that I haven't asked or

600
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: haven't you know, have these versations with you, Like I

601
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: I felt like a bad friend, and so, I mean

602
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: it was bad. But Mike basically said to her, well,

603
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: it's just a numbers game, right, like, not every black

604
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: person is going to experience racist and I was just like,

605
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: it was it was so insensitive. When oh and I

606
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: heard it and then it's her, she was just like

607
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: and then she I mean I had to call I mean,

608
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: she hung up the podcast and it was like I

609
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: had to call her and she was I'm like, I'm

610
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: so sorry, like and he was just but he's in

611
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: his white privilege and you know, I'm like, why would

612
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: you even think that it's a percentage game? He said, well,

613
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: not every I'm like, you don't know, you're not being black,

614
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't know. So when we got

615
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: into a fight, and then it was just the whole thing.

616
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I I've apologized to her, you

617
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: know a few times over and um, you know then

618
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I saw on the airport and she was just like,

619
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously being like them, So glad you're not

620
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: in that anymore. And then we had the conversation again.

621
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: But she was like, it was just so arrogant. And

622
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: but I mean, obviously, I mean was that I would

623
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: think that'd be upsetting to hear and m that's that's

624
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the that's kind of what our c was saying earlier.

625
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: That's the ignorance that hurts people's If Mike whatever his

626
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: name is, if he doesn't like me, I don't care,

627
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: like she said, I don't care. It's when he's around

628
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: and being influential on the next generation and he's putting

629
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: that crap in a child's mind or a kid's mind,

630
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: and now that person around my kids and later on

631
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: in life, like like, we don't want to be friends

632
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: with everybody. I don't want everybody just see me and

633
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: just want to give me a hug. I just want

634
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: to be looked at. I'll joke sometime. I'll be like,

635
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: I'll go to work and I walk and work joking

636
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: around my coworkers and radio and I'd be like, listen, y'all, y'all,

637
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: treat me like a white man today. That's what I want.

638
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Today I'm having a bad day. Treat me like a

639
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: white man. And you know, there is funny even last

640
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: But then when you think about it. He's like, so

641
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: what's the difference. And I'll look at it like there's

642
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: a difference though, isn't there? And he just, you know,

643
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: just little things you doesn't make it just turn over

644
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: and make that click. So yeah, like that the generational

645
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: he even Donna call it hate, the ignorance or the

646
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: g noring something that's going on. That's when it's perpetuated

647
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: generation generation, and that's what we're really trying to get

648
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: away from. It's interesting because like I have a thirteen

649
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: year old son who you know, I mean, he has

650
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: white friends, he has mixed friends, he has full I

651
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: mean just all over the board, and he they don't

652
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: really see any difference. Like I watched them and I

653
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: can tell they truly don't see any difference in them.

654
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: But it's so scary because it's like what do I

655
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: do as a mother of a white boy to help

656
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: because as he gets older, you know, I mean, I'm

657
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: sure they I say, I say that, I'm sure they

658
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: do feel that. I'm sure there they feed they can

659
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: feel differently. But as a mother of a white boy,

660
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: it's I I sometimes have a hard time, you know,

661
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: like if he doesn't understand why, you know, his friend

662
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Havis for instance, like why he feels differently because he's

663
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: a black boy or whatever. It's just it's a hard

664
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and again, we don't want to sound insensitive, but it

665
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: is kind of asking the question like how do we

666
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: really teach our white kids two treat everyone that, you

667
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it's like a hard question.

668
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: It's like you want to address it, but then addressing

669
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: it feels like you're separating is kind of creating a divide.

670
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: I think I think kids are a sponge. Kids are

671
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna do what they see their parents do. They're going

672
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: to interact the way they see their parents their parents interact.

673
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: You know, they'll be able to get some you know,

674
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: different um teachings at school through their peers, but I

675
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: think that the majority of it, the reflection of what

676
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: they see at home will overshadow you know, what they're

677
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: getting at school at least at certain age. Now they

678
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: get to a point where this is all they see,

679
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, you can try your hardest to keep them

680
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: off TikTok, Instagram, all these different places where this stuff

681
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: is just overly uh exposed and and not necessarily uh

682
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: regulated as it should be for kids. But we as

683
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: parents we you know, we try our hardest, We try

684
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: our hardest to keep our our kids young and keep

685
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: them close. But they become teenagers. And in my book,

686
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: in my mind, I said all the time, and I

687
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: think I've said it on the show. My son turned teenager.

688
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: He turned into an act. And as much as I

689
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: tried myself to look try to give him everything, to

690
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: keep him in line, to make sure that he doesn't

691
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: want for anything. You're gonna earn these things. You know,

692
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: you treat people accordingly, with respect. Uh, try to teach

693
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: me how to be a decent adult. You know, they're

694
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna have friends and and that pull them certain directions,

695
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: and you can give them all you can. Uh, you

696
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: just gotta keep giving them love and um, you know,

697
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: you gotta hold out on faith and hope that they

698
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: get it, because truthfully, they're not gonna always get it.

699
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: Some kids are amazing. I tell Ryan all the time,

700
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: I think his son, Jordan is amazing. I was overly

701
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: impressed by the young man. I think him and his

702
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: wife did a great job with On the other hand,

703
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: I would always say my son is amazing. He's an

704
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: amazing human. You know, he he doesn't have a racist

705
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: or discriminatory bone in his body. But he does some

706
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: other things that are not always UH happy about. But

707
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: I tried my best as a parent. So you just

708
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: continue to do what you believe. And um, I think

709
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: that the kids are gonna take what they take and

710
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: sometimes naturally they just have it in them. It's part

711
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: of a DNA to be just a great, soft spoken,

712
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: outgoing person. And sometimes you know, they have to fight

713
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: those those things out in the classroom and out in society,

714
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: and that's not always easy, you know, because pitt pressure

715
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: is tough. Um. But as parents, we just gotta try

716
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: the best to be examples at home with our words

717
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: more than our actions. A lot of times our words

718
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: are huge because they take things like they're taking it

719
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: from YouTube and these other other places. My son coming

720
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: here after watching YouTube and he says a curse word,

721
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: like where'd you get that from? You to hear us

722
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: say it. But they're able to get these very exposed

723
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: to different things. But you know, when we slip, things

724
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: tend to slip through the cracks. But at the end

725
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: of the day, we start with respect at home. That's

726
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: what we want to demand, that's what we want to give.

727
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: And after that We just try the best to know

728
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: fix whatever might go wrong on the outside. But love

729
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: is love, you know. And I don't think we're born

730
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: with hate and our and our and our you know, makeup,

731
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: but it does. It can't see things. You gotta just

732
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: try your best to be the best you can with

733
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: them and let them live their lives and go going forward.

734
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: I have a question, is um, is you know your

735
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: kids being accepting, being nondiscriminatory, uh, not being racist? Is

736
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: that important to both of you? Absolutely? Okay, So think

737
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: about the other things in parenting that are important for you,

738
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: right when when you think about you know, hard work, uh,

739
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: being a certain way at school, all these things, you

740
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: make sure you express those things to your children, right

741
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Like all the things you want them to be and

742
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: you want implemented into their lives. You make sure that

743
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: those things are taught in your home. Why should racism

744
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: be any different? You understand what I'm saying, Like, like,

745
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: why why can't you have that conversation? It's if it's

746
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: important to you, and I think that's the biggest thing. Um,

747
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a difference in being um, in not being racist

748
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: and being an anti racist. If you can understand what

749
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because now, if you're telling your kids, we

750
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: are supposed to accept everyone. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly,

751
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Everyone deserves to be treated equally. Everyone is entitled to

752
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the same liberty and rights as anyone else in this country.

753
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: And if you do see those sorts of injustices, if

754
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: you are around those sorts of racism, separate yourself from

755
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: those not necessary. You don't have to tell them go

756
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: change the world. Right But the same way you want,

757
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: we try to implement into our children who we want

758
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: them to be every day, right like, like, that's what

759
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: we do. We want them to be successful, we want

760
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: them to be smart, we want them to be great humans.

761
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Every day we are teaching our kids what to be.

762
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: Why is it a problem to say? And also on

763
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: the other side of that, you need to treat everybody,

764
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: to say, you need to treat people with kindness, no

765
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: matter their color, no matter their gender, gender, no matter

766
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: they're religious affiliations. Everyone is entitled to be treated as

767
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: a human. And I think that simple part of the

768
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: conversation is not separation, it's actually inclusion. But happen is

769
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: we try, right like, like we make excuses for ourselves

770
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: to not have to do certain things like I don't

771
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: want to talk about racism because I don't want my

772
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: son to see color. That's that's not okay, that's not

773
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: true because everybody sees color well. And this is probably

774
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: a really terrible example, but to that, like, we were

775
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: at the Passport place in Atlanta and my daughter and

776
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: I are playing I Spy and so I was like,

777
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: I spy something green, and then she was we were

778
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: staying next to an African American man and she was

779
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: I saw as something black. And then I was just

780
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: like no, like because I was just like I don't

781
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: want to Like I'm like thinking my head like, oh

782
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: my god, is she going to think? Like is she she?

783
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Is she thinking? You know? Is it was like? And

784
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: then I end up having a conversation like hey baby,

785
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't and ended up just being

786
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: the keyboard. But in my mind, I'm like, oh my god,

787
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Like I really think that. Up until the last couple

788
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: of years, we were kind of told not to call

789
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: a black person a black person. I know, I've been

790
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: taught that, and so it makes us uncomfortable when someone

791
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: says that. But now I think that it's kind of

792
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: people are saying like, yes, you see color. Don't say

793
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: I don't see color, because you see color. And that's

794
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: the conversation that me and my son have had a lot.

795
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: And he's a great human being and he has friends

796
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: all over the and we do have those conversations, a

797
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of those conversations. But I do sometimes get to that,

798
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, place of what I've been taught, and I'm like,

799
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: and I get scared, you know, I'm like, oh, your

800
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: black friend. Oh wait, you know, you know he is black?

801
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Can I say that he's black? You know? Or you

802
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: know whatever? And I think it's just being honest. I

803
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: think you're right and having those conversations, and I think

804
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm amazed at how I mean. I guess I give

805
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: us props because we have raised him right and he

806
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: does love everybody the same. But it's definitely an ongoing conversation.

807
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I think you look at like kids are

808
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: so kids are so different from us, right because even

809
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I joke all the time, you know,

810
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school, and I grew up a

811
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: certain way and I played sports, and so there are

812
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: so many influential white people in my life, you know,

813
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: like my Mom's still close to my coaches from growing

814
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: up because those were the people that did a ton

815
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: for me and helped me. It's as you get older

816
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: and become more aware that these biases affect your life.

817
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, um, I think like, like you mentioned being thirteen,

818
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: and those kids like they truly don't see a difference,

819
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Like they're really like homeboy. But we all go to

820
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: school together, we play basketball. It is what it is.

821
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: But then as you get older, think about, like, really

822
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: look at your life and think to yourself, how all

823
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: didn't do I plan a dinner? Do I plan a party?

824
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Do I have an outing that I'm inviting somebody that

825
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: doesn't look like me? Right? How many? How many groups

826
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: or couples or families are people I'm close to that

827
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: didn't grow up like me? Right? We begin to section

828
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: ourselves off as we get over because obviously you want

829
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: to be around people who you have common interests with

830
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: and understanding and who you enjoy being around. But the

831
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: age your son is when you're at school, you don't

832
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: get the pick who you go to school. What I

833
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: always is, when we get to a point in our

834
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: lives where we get to pick our friends, we get

835
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: to pick our surroundings. That's when we truly start to segregate. Mhm, right,

836
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: people that look like you. And one more thing too, Um,

837
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing about not bringing up race is it

838
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: protecting them from the race racial talk whatever. I hate

839
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: when somebody's like, hey, you guys outside who he's about

840
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: six four, he has short hair, black or white? Dude,

841
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna cut out half the population if you just

842
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: say black and white. Like, just running from the word

843
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: black or white doesn't make you not racist or racist.

844
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: It's a description words. So like my my son Mike,

845
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to fishing Saturday. Who you're fishing with? My

846
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: white butter down in the keys? Oh, Scotty, Yeah, Scott,

847
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: Do you remember Scotty? And we just it's like it's

848
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: not nothing negative to that. Do you think everyone Do

849
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: you think everyone feels that way though? Like I literally

850
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with my husband, who is white,

851
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: who described someone as a black man. I'm like, well,

852
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: why did you have to say that he's he's like,

853
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: because he's black and that's descriptive word. But I don't

854
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: say my white friend Julie, like I don't know, but

855
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: he was trying to explain to me because there was

856
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: a white one and there was a black, you know,

857
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: so he was trying to explain, but I like kind

858
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: of like defensive, like, well, what is that supposed to mean?

859
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it's it's I don't know, it's hard.

860
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: It's just it's saying, you know, if somebody's like, hey,

861
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: telling what you're doing. I was on the podcast which

862
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: one with two people that have long hair, white ladders

863
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: up in Nashville got us on the wine down like

864
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: it's just in this Christian word like that gets to

865
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: me too. It's the first thing I said. But anybody

866
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: who's outside, big old black dude, so like just and

867
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: even that, just to say that with the kids, to like,

868
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: if you run for words, like Freddy was saying too,

869
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: if you run from it, then they start running from it.

870
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna get away from it. So now

871
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: they learn it through their friends and through other people,

872
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: because we have I've attended a nine year old and

873
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: we talked about it. They've seen me snap on people

874
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: because somebody says something rotatory towards another race and they're

875
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: in the back seat and I'm driving and I'd be like, hey,

876
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: don't don't put that crap in my kid's minds. Don't

877
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: be talking about this and am using this racial slurs

878
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it around my children. I'm

879
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: not doing that to them. You do that to your kids,

880
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: and my kids will sit there and through that it

881
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: clicks to them like, oh yeah, Dad, I don't like that.

882
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Dad ain't dealing with that. So, like I would say,

883
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: don't be scared of it, because running from it, nobody's

884
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: changed if you run it from it. Just talking about it, Well,

885
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having this conversation. And you know,

886
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: at the end of I think it was the end

887
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: of the beginning of y'all's podcast, you asked me what

888
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: my pivot was, and so I want to know what

889
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: your guys pivot it was in life. So Fred, I'm

890
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna start with you. Ben, I'm first up. You sure,

891
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: because you always are last at that last little thing.

892
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: So I'm making you go first step now, no pressure,

893
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: No pressure for me, Janna. It's really uh other than

894
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: my last pivot, which was an amazing pivot to start

895
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: this show. The pivot, I thought that was a great move.

896
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: It just opened my eyes on a lot. You know,

897
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: you can be friend guys and but you still have

898
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: to go back and take care your responsibilities. So uh,

899
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: that was the third strike for me where I've allowed

900
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: someone to get me comfortable within myself and actually take

901
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: advantage of me, you know, to a certain extent. My

902
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: first agent was a was a black guy who I

903
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: my My father didn't come back from the military and

904
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: talents of sophomore or junior in high school. We didn't

905
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: have a relationship when I was young. My mom didn't

906
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: know who my father was until later on, and we

907
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: did DNA tests all that stuff. He came back in

908
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: my life, but we still didn't have relationships. So when

909
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: I left college, the first guy, black guy, wanted to

910
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: be my agent. Sure find okay, he took advantage of

911
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: me put some of my first signing bonus in the

912
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: Punzi scheme. That was mistake number one, But I learned

913
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: a valuable Let's event, or at least I thought I

914
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: did um going forward, went with a Jewish guy. The

915
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Jewish guys are good guys, they know money, et cetera.

916
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Befriended me back at college. Long story short, that went south.

917
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: I lost some money, learned a lesson now that I

918
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: try and teach my children. Um and lastly the most

919
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: recent one by not having all of the business button

920
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: up prior to starting this podcast, which we have everything

921
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: button up. I love these guys, positive energy, the chemistry

922
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: is amazing. At leastion she does a great job along

923
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: with our in hounce attorney Johnny Williams. So we have

924
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: things button up, you know, and we're able to be

925
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: transparent with each other and things are moving good. But

926
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, my my biggest pivot

927
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: for me in life it's, um, you know, just just

928
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: being more responsible, being an adult. Having those situations allowed

929
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: me to be a better father, a better husband, a

930
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: better friend. I'm always trying to teach through those things

931
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: where I m I talked finance. We don't get that

932
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: a lot in our communities. I come from this disadvantaged community,

933
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Uh just a house, but we just didn't have financial

934
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: literacy in our household. I was the first millionaire. Uh

935
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: So learning these things and trying and giving them back

936
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: to my communities, to my family, my friends, uh to

937
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: upcoming athletes. I would say that's my biggest pivot because

938
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I never thought I had to really know these things.

939
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: I thought I can just you know, hire people and

940
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: trust them and put them in position to do right

941
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: by me. But it didn't happen that way. So learning

942
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: and myself taking the time, and now I'm able to

943
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: give it back and I'm better for it. I'd say

944
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: that's my biggest pivot because I can give back a lot.

945
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you Channing, my little duet singer

946
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: of a Little Mermaid. Oh that was God? Have you working?

947
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: You what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a

948
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: lot of praise. I appreciate you giving me that platform.

949
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: But no, um, my biggest pivot, I say. You know

950
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people say retirement, because retirement it's it's

951
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: not easy. But we all three kind of had something

952
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: to fall into after retiring from football and that being

953
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: your life for so long. But when I really, when

954
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: you're asking, I think about it, obvious, honestly was kind

955
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: of life friends are like growing up, you know, getting married,

956
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: me my wife, having kids, like changing my changing that

957
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: aspect of life, like not hanging out as much anymore

958
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: and not you know, always going out calling the boys

959
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: in the morning, going out you know, to watch every game,

960
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: going and do this and more. Shiftings to being a father,

961
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: being responsible, giving those lessons we talked about today, like

962
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: really making an effort that when you're when we're going fishing,

963
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: and me and my family, my wife, we all fish

964
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: a lot when we're fishing, trying to have some meaningful

965
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: conversations as well as the fun. So you know, you're

966
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: sitting there, you're waiting riding the boat to get to

967
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: a fishing spot. We could talk about football, or we

968
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: could talk about something in life for five minutes, just

969
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: say a little something here there. So really that, um, yeah,

970
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting married. My wife changed me a lot. I

971
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: didn't I never I didn't. I wanted to have kids,

972
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to get married. It was weird

973
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: love dynamic in my mind. But once I found Asia,

974
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: once I found my wife, and like, you know, I

975
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: got somebody can talk to, and that can you know,

976
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: we do everything together, the finances, the mortgages, the investments, everybody.

977
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: I know, she knows on her whole entire life. I

978
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: never thought I would be there with another human and

979
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: just that that was just a big paper for me

980
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: and just a you know, like happily married man, Like

981
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: I really am a damn happily married man. That that's awesome.

982
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: It is man, you know, I bootcate Now I'm happy

983
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: with my bootcage. About the roads, I didn't talk about

984
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: walking down the street in Gamesville, barefoot bars, getting arrested.

985
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: He's a changed man that I was getting locked up

986
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff until I met my wife, Jenny.

987
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: I love that. Wow. I mean, not to lock up part,

988
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: but that your wife. You know, sometimes it takes a

989
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: special woman to lock you down in a different way, right, ye,

990
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: A very special one. Yeah. I Um, I guess it's

991
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: it's a hard question. Um. I think that like I'm

992
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: still pivoting, to be honest. Um, you know, you continue

993
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: like life is an evolution, you know, and I'm certainly

994
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: not great every place. I need to be great in life,

995
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, and you continue to you know, you continue

996
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: to work, You continue to try to be better. You

997
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: try to you try to listen to the people that

998
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: are close to you. But you go through like so many,

999
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: like so many different phases in life. Uh. You know,

1000
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: Channing mentioned retirement. Fred talked to you about the different

1001
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: agents and the people that you know try to take

1002
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: advantage of you. I think the biggest pivot for me

1003
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: has been understanding and being okay with being who I am.

1004
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think we we always feel like we

1005
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: have to be certain things or we have to show

1006
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: a certain way, and we want to be perceived a

1007
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: certain way. And the thing that changed for me probably

1008
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: a few years ago was that, you know what, this

1009
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: is who I am. I'm going to be consistent for

1010
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: being that, and I'm gonna be it every day And

1011
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: that way people will look at me and they may

1012
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: not like it, they may not love it, but they'll

1013
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: know who I am. Now they can look at me

1014
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: and say, this is who Ryan Clark is, and this

1015
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: is how I want to treat it. This is how

1016
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: I want him to be a part of my life.

1017
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: And I think that that was that was something that

1018
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: that freed me to be honest, you know, to to

1019
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: be able to be authentically you and not have the

1020
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: fear of being rejected, right because I think it's always

1021
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: so hard for us to truly be vulnerable and show

1022
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: people who we are, because now if they don't accept us,

1023
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: we feel like something's wrong with us, you know. Whereas

1024
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: if we walk around and we're fake and we're trying

1025
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: to make everyone happy, we may be accepted in every room,

1026
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: but we're never truly ourselves. And so for me, it

1027
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: was just waking up one day and being like, man, like,

1028
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: this is it, you know, because I always had like

1029
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: that chip on my shoulder, the underdog thing, not fast enough,

1030
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: not big enough, all of these things my entire life.

1031
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: So I always felt like I had to please people

1032
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: around me and make people happy. And so it was

1033
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: just finally getting to a point where I was like, nah,

1034
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't really care how do you

1035
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: feel about but this is who God made me to be. Um.

1036
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: It always needs to improve, right, and you always have

1037
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: to be working to be better. But we kind of

1038
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: are what we are guys, you know, and like it.

1039
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you that same thing every single day.

1040
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I love that. Well. Fred Channing to Ryan, thank you

1041
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: guys so much for coming on wind Down. It's been awesome.

1042
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: I just adore you guys. I think you guys are amazing,

1043
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: and I just think you for having the conversation and

1044
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: being friends. No, we appreciate it. You put us in, Jenna,

1045
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: you put us in like a whole new podcasting world

1046
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: in like the first month and a half of our show.

1047
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: Like just like when when people talk about that show,

1048
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I could be honest, I would be

1049
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: really quick. I know, we gotta go. That was like,

1050
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: that was a big deal for our conversation, right you

1051
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: were you know, you were our first woman, and our

1052
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: first woman was a white woman on a largely you know,

1053
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: African American and black and minority supported show, you know,

1054
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: and so it wore there were conversations that had to

1055
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: be had about how we would be seen, and truly

1056
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: like we all just got to a point where we

1057
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Speaker 1: just like effort, you know. And it was and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be honest, it was you that made us feel

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Speaker 1: that happen. After we shot it and after we saw it,

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Speaker 1: we were all like, drop put it out it from

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. You know. We talked about race on

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Speaker 1: here a lot. It went from it being a white

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Speaker 1: woman to being Janna, you know, And I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's haught. It taught us something. It's hard our

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: it's haught our subscribers and our followers something that every

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Speaker 1: story has a right to be told. And the fact

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Speaker 1: that you told your story on our platform and our

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Speaker 1: show in the way that you did, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: As soon as it was over, we was all like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: put that out like that's that's amazing. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: because you was you know, it wasn't because you know

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00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: you were the white actors singer lady. You know, they

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Speaker 1: won the show and you were Janna Kramer like one

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Speaker 1: of the home girls. You know. You guys talked about

1075
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: like what y'all can show your kids, Show your kids

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: that that a white woman who's been through a ton

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: of things sat down with three former football players that

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Speaker 1: were all black, and everybody had a connection. Everybody find

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Speaker 1: a commonality, everyone could have a conversation. That's what you

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00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: taught the world or everybody who watched our show that

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: you know what man like, what we look like matters,

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: but it's more about what we how we move, how

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00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: we relate, how we treat each other. And so thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. You know, if you ever need us,

1085
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: we got you because you did something for us that

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00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: was amazing. Same same, same, like I feel all the

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Speaker 1: same love. So thank you, and yes I'm here and

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Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm just right boys, But seriously, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you. And I'm going to make sure everyone is

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Speaker 1: listening to wind right now watches um and listens to

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Speaker 1: the Pivot. All right, thank you guys so much. Seriously, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have a great money. Okay, I love them, just

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Speaker 1: them as with them, like I just like I I

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Speaker 1: just feel like they're like by like friends, like they

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01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: got back they do and I think they're back, like

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like I'm obsessed with them

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Speaker 1: so much. Such a great conversation. It's so good. It's

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Speaker 1: such a good conversation to have. I love it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's our show, guys, because that's like you

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Speaker 1: just can't even um, listen to the Pivot podcast where

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts with Training crowder Fred Taylor, Ryan Clark,

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: their three amazing former professional football players, um, and they

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Speaker 1: talk about real deep stuff and again I really, um,

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Speaker 1: you should definitely listen back to the and watch the

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Speaker 1: episode that I did with them. I remember watching it too,

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Speaker 1: being like wow, like that was so good. It's a

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: good conversation. Um. But see you next week.