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Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It's Thursday, April the fourteenth, twenty two. The
Speaker 1: draft is two weeks away, and we are here to
Speaker 1: get you through the home stretch. I'm David Hellman. I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Jeff, Brian Kyle. Like the Big Voice said,
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Speaker 1: Miller Litte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Guys,
Speaker 1: we actually have news, if you want to call it that,
Speaker 1: or at least something different to talk about besides arguing
Speaker 1: player prospects. Jerry Jones spoke for the first time in
Speaker 1: a few weeks. Yesterday Cowboys announced a new corporate partnership
Speaker 1: with Blockchain dot Com. I knew you're gonna say. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, spare me the joke, please, Jeff. But
Speaker 1: that's okay. You did it anyway? He basically, you know,
Speaker 1: he answered a couple questions that weren't about cryptocurrency, one
Speaker 1: of which being his preferences in this draft class. And
Speaker 1: he did say, quote, I would trade up in this
Speaker 1: draft since we're down as low as we are in
Speaker 1: those first two or three rounds. And of course the
Speaker 1: internet lost its damn mine, because that's all you really
Speaker 1: can do is overreact to tidbits of information when it
Speaker 1: comes to the draft. I would love to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about this, and if we could, we'll just say
Speaker 1: the first three because those are the big, big valuable
Speaker 1: picks in any draft. What do you think that would
Speaker 1: look like in all three of these phases if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were to try to get aggressive in this trade,
Speaker 1: how far do you want to go? I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I think his up means down because he said like
Speaker 1: they trade it up for Travis Frederick, which was a
Speaker 1: trade doll, So he's playing opposite I okay, I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand the confusion there. But he did say we're
Speaker 1: down as low as we are, yeah, which is to
Speaker 1: say you're back in the latter half. I think he
Speaker 1: meant going up. Okay, Well, then now let's determine who
Speaker 1: he's going up for. And you really can't just take
Speaker 1: the thirty visit list, but if you want to, you can.
Speaker 1: You know, um, and I know you're captain. Trade down
Speaker 1: or trade back, and that's cool. Jeff made his feelings
Speaker 1: about this. Now no, no, I mean, I'm I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand, but okay, let me ask you. You're not
Speaker 1: comfortable at all going up, But if you had to
Speaker 1: go up, if you had to go up and get
Speaker 1: some in, if you took the thirty visit list, is
Speaker 1: Charles Cross the only one you're going for? Or you're
Speaker 1: gonna go try and get one of these receivers. I
Speaker 1: would not move up for a receiver. Okay. I do
Speaker 1: think Charles Cross might be the only name on their
Speaker 1: thirty visit list that makes sense as Alloyd, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: move up for that's the linebacker. Utah. So okay, now
Speaker 1: we have to determine it might not be somebody on
Speaker 1: their thirty visit list that we're missing out on, which
Speaker 1: I was just talking about this this morning, and it's
Speaker 1: just something I want people to remember, like knowing the
Speaker 1: thirty list, knowing the guys they've talked to does help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and inevitably they target guys that they are familiar with.
Speaker 1: It is not the gospel by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 1: Like they routinely draft guys that were not I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, I'll tell you what Jerry might have done.
Speaker 1: He might have thrown the chum in the water to
Speaker 1: tell somebody that they're interested in moving. But also I
Speaker 1: think land Zerline did a really good mock draft that
Speaker 1: painted a picture. I know Jeff and Dana and I
Speaker 1: talked about this last night, that he had Kansas City
Speaker 1: going up ahead of you to draft Chris Olavey. So
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, if you're telling people, hey,
Speaker 1: we're willing to move, you know, maybe you're you know,
Speaker 1: because sometimes the Cowboys will sit there and people jump them,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they lose opportunity on players,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, going, on, Dan, they just
Speaker 1: got jumped. But by doing that, by saying that he
Speaker 1: might aggressively go, it's like, now you put some doubt
Speaker 1: in people's at the back of the draft that maybe
Speaker 1: Dallas is going you know, I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: create some kind of well, hey, we got to get
Speaker 1: ahead of Dallas. Well, wait a minute, Dallas is talking
Speaker 1: about going to do we have to do this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so instead instead of just sitting there and
Speaker 1: minding your own business. That's a lot of times you
Speaker 1: get jumped doing that. And especially is has we've been
Speaker 1: able to talk about who the Cowboys visits have been,
Speaker 1: and we've done this show for the last four or
Speaker 1: five months of just talking about player by player. If
Speaker 1: you if you follow along what we're talking about or
Speaker 1: follow people that cover this team, they're giving you an
Speaker 1: idea of who the Cowboys are looking at. And maybe that's,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's their way of kind of preventing
Speaker 1: teams from thinking about jumping them. Kyle Yeoman's you look
Speaker 1: like you're doing a trade math over. I am doing
Speaker 1: trade math. I was looking because maybe if it's not
Speaker 1: in the first round, maybe it's not the Charles Crosses,
Speaker 1: it's not the Jordan davis Is, Maybe it's in the
Speaker 1: second round or the third round. We've talked about that
Speaker 1: as a possibility as well of taking eighty eight and
Speaker 1: going and trying to get back in the top seventy
Speaker 1: or seventy five, taking fifty six and trying to turn
Speaker 1: that into a top forty five pick, because that's where
Speaker 1: the value of this draft is. Because it is so
Speaker 1: jumbled up from picks ten through sixty that there is
Speaker 1: a value to maybe get up and go get a
Speaker 1: guy that you like that maybe if had slipped out
Speaker 1: of that first round territory, it would be tough to
Speaker 1: get from fifty six to forty five. I put forty
Speaker 1: five is just a marker of maybe, hey, we can
Speaker 1: get back up in the top forty five picks. It
Speaker 1: would probably take I'll give you a four or fifth
Speaker 1: round picks. Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking at, was, hey,
Speaker 1: that all equals one hundred, then you give him fifty
Speaker 1: six and you can make maybe make it work. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody would ever realistically accept that we
Speaker 1: could maybe package two fifth round picks, maybe your fourth
Speaker 1: if you wanted to. But even that doesn't necessarily entice
Speaker 1: me enough to move just twelve spots up the board
Speaker 1: or eleven spots up the board, are you saying, because
Speaker 1: I mean in the second round you're two and three,
Speaker 1: would get that done? I think, right? Are you willing
Speaker 1: to give up eighty eight though I'm trying to do it?
Speaker 1: Without giving up AD eight me. No, Yeah, for the
Speaker 1: whole time I've done this. I hate getting rid of picks.
Speaker 1: Is it realistic that they would give up eighty eight? Well,
Speaker 1: we get back in this style. Now we take the
Speaker 1: four and the fives to get back to three, and
Speaker 1: we just keep doing that until we run. Ay, and
Speaker 1: you only pick in the first four rounds. I just
Speaker 1: think okay with that. Teams like to trade out of
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick, you got to give value, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing I think. I think people get lost
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, if we give up our four
Speaker 1: and all of our fifths the values there, and the
Speaker 1: other team's like, no, why would you do that? Want
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick? I don't care about because
Speaker 1: the hit rate is so much better. And that's why
Speaker 1: I don't think that's realistic. Are you going up for
Speaker 1: in the second round? Um? Off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: I would say, first of all, if I'm going up anywhere,
Speaker 1: I'm going up for a premiere position. I'm not going
Speaker 1: up for a linebacker or a nose tackle or probably
Speaker 1: a safety. But I could go up for a wide
Speaker 1: receiver if they stick around. Okay, So I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you Zion Johnson is your first pick at twenty four,
Speaker 1: go somewhere and talk to me again. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: tracking if I've taken my offensive lineman, because like Dane
Speaker 1: Brugler did his seven round mock draft on the Athletic
Speaker 1: and it's awesome. Go check it out, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys touch a wide receiver until the fourth
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with that because this is just a
Speaker 1: game I want to play really quickly. Let's say your
Speaker 1: number one receiver at the end of the preseason roles
Speaker 1: and ankle and is going to miss a couple weeks
Speaker 1: or something, which you're damn near. Your wide receiver corps
Speaker 1: now to start an NFL football season would be James Washington,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, and Semi Fihoko. Because Gallop, we think is
Speaker 1: gonna miss a little bit. He's gonna miss a couple
Speaker 1: of games probably. Yeah, I'm not comfortable without one of
Speaker 1: my three best receivers. Not he's not on the roster yet.
Speaker 1: So if you tell me I take an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: then I'm watching the receivers and I want to be
Speaker 1: told let's say the first round, because five, six, seven
Speaker 1: of them might go in the first round. Sure, But
Speaker 1: what I want to know is where is George Pickens? Yeah,
Speaker 1: George Pickens was the name as soon as Brian that question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking. To your wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: he's hanging around at around pick forty, get him, then
Speaker 1: I would be like, sure, go get him. Would you
Speaker 1: spend your eighty eight to go get a player like
Speaker 1: that and then maybe we can? I think he would.
Speaker 1: I think he would because I don't think he'd like
Speaker 1: to take Sam Williams from from Old Miss so again
Speaker 1: using we'll just use Dan's mox since he did seven rounds.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah, Now what you're asking me is what
Speaker 1: I give up Joanni Woods, who I really liked, the
Speaker 1: tight end from Virginia, who Dane gave the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: eighty eight. And Sam Williams, the defensive end who they
Speaker 1: pick at fifty six. Yeah, for George Pickens all day,
Speaker 1: every day, all day, every day. That's your tight end. One. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and George Pickens is my wide receiver. Three. Though you
Speaker 1: are really high on Sam Williams. I like Sam Way.
Speaker 1: I like him, just not as much as George Pickins.
Speaker 1: Like Sam Williams won't be my favorite player at fifty six. Sure,
Speaker 1: there's no way. And Gelanni Woods could be my favorite
Speaker 1: player at eighty eight, But I'd take George Pickens at
Speaker 1: number twenty four. That's how much I think that he
Speaker 1: is an absolute baller if he didn't tear up a
Speaker 1: knee in spring ball Top fifteen pick Maybe let me
Speaker 1: flip this for you guys. Then what if I tell
Speaker 1: you you take Chris O' lobby at twenty four, And
Speaker 1: I know it's not your favorite player, but just say cowboys,
Speaker 1: cowboys take a Lobby at twenty four. Now what are
Speaker 1: we going up for in the second round? Green or Johnson?
Speaker 1: If one of those guys falls out of the first lay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get a guard. Get a guard in mind you
Speaker 1: you're liking Board and Johnson. Mine, I guess would be
Speaker 1: Darian Kennard. Like I think, I can wait. I can
Speaker 1: wait on that, Okay, So, so it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: a guy with so if so, if we're trading up
Speaker 1: that it sounds like our group thinks if we're trading
Speaker 1: up in the seconds for a wide receiver, that's what
Speaker 1: that's what we that's what they can hear. The value
Speaker 1: there is better right in the picks between thirty three
Speaker 1: and fifty, or if some analysts are wrong about how
Speaker 1: much the league loves Central Michigan left tackle Bernard Raymond.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a four an NFL team who thinks that's
Speaker 1: their future left tackle, you'd go up to a number
Speaker 1: forty for that. Yeah. I have him as number five
Speaker 1: on my tackle board. Yeah, he's my fifth tackle als. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you've probably got the other four going in the
Speaker 1: first round, right, Yeah, I do. He's number five, and
Speaker 1: I kind of when he gets picked by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I kind of like, you know, yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: goes at twenty four. I won't like it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of, But see that happening. See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I first round pick on the visit list. See that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If he gets his If Jerry's going
Speaker 1: up for an offensive lineman in the first I think
Speaker 1: it would only be for Cross. I think it would
Speaker 1: only be he might go for Penny. He might try
Speaker 1: and get Penny. You know that might be something you do.
Speaker 1: I think that to me. I'm interested to see where
Speaker 1: Cross is going to go. Every mock draft. Where did
Speaker 1: Dane have him going? Dane him in the top ten
Speaker 1: when you put me on the spot, I'm sorry, I've
Speaker 1: got pulled up. Was it top? Was he inside the
Speaker 1: top ten? He was? He was control sixteenth overall? Okay, sixteen.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking a little different here, all right now,
Speaker 1: going back to the first round, whoa, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we see a Charles Cross slide. I'm on the phones, boys,
Speaker 1: is that a slide? Like? I've never seen him outside
Speaker 1: the top ten? Never? Okay never? And again, these are
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about I'm just random mock drafts
Speaker 1: of fans of so and nothing against those, But I'm
Speaker 1: telling Daniel Jeremiah mock drafts, Bucky Brooke mocks draps. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, guys who have been in this league. Okay,
Speaker 1: understanding understanding that trade charts are not a perfect science.
Speaker 1: The Internet says that's a two hundred and sixty point
Speaker 1: difference between twenty four and sixteen. Are we going up
Speaker 1: specifically the sixteen that was the pick that the Saints
Speaker 1: kind of finagled from the Eagles to Saints might be taken.
Speaker 1: Are the Saints taken Cross? Yes? Okay, there you go
Speaker 1: see that. Now you might not. That's why they're not
Speaker 1: away from their guy if you exactly. Jeff just gave
Speaker 1: you this the key right there, Like we're talking about
Speaker 1: Kansas City, jump in Dallas for a lobby. You got
Speaker 1: to get ahead of the Saints. You know, if the
Speaker 1: Eagles are right in front of him, and then it's
Speaker 1: the Ravens at fourteen, Texans at thirteen, and you get
Speaker 1: the Ravens to come off that. You know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Ravens picks. They have seen forty five seventy six,
Speaker 1: so they have everybody's got the Ravens taken. The Again, Dane,
Speaker 1: did you have him taken then? Lloyd? Devin Lloyd? That
Speaker 1: come off that to fifteen would be a three hundred
Speaker 1: and ten point difference. Yeah, fifty six is worth three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty I'm telling you man. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you get both of those picks and you get a
Speaker 1: tackle of the future. Yeah, how you feel about that? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm playing him at right tackle, and I'm telling I'm
Speaker 1: telling my current right tackle. Listen, you're now the swing dude,
Speaker 1: and we got to figure out something at left guard.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, do you ride into other season
Speaker 1: saying I'm not saying this is a good idea, but
Speaker 1: could cross play guard for a season? Man, I don't.
Speaker 1: He's just too good of a tackle. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is when I kind of see a young Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith coming out of USC. It's twenty one year old guy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's got really good technique. I mean, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, kind of feel he's a better
Speaker 1: left tackle than he probably would be a right tackle.
Speaker 1: I agree, he'll have a chance to play some of
Speaker 1: that as well. If I had to guess, see, still
Speaker 1: your top tackle y is yeah, hey, just randomly using
Speaker 1: Dane's mock draft because you're talking about who you would
Speaker 1: be going up in the second or somebody else. Well,
Speaker 1: so now, yeah, it was I'm looking at if it
Speaker 1: played out this way, the answer for me would be,
Speaker 1: you have six wide receivers go in the first round,
Speaker 1: and neither one his name's George Pickens or sky Moore.
Speaker 1: Here you go thirty seven, George Pickens goes sky Moore,
Speaker 1: and Bernard Raymond the central Michigan tackle go forty one
Speaker 1: and forty two. So somewhere around pick forty, I'd be like, guys,
Speaker 1: there's two guys where I want to go get who's
Speaker 1: who's my team's at forty one and forty two, Seattle's
Speaker 1: forty one, India's forty two. All right, John's trying to
Speaker 1: rebuild his team. Ballard. Ballard will stand in there at
Speaker 1: pick John Schneider loves a trade back, does it like
Speaker 1: he does. I think he's got multiple twos though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's at hease. Matt Corrall and Bernard Raymond is where
Speaker 1: they're going. So yeah, in my world, we're trading. We're
Speaker 1: trading up to forty two for Sky Moore. Now that's
Speaker 1: the Colt's first pick of the draft. Though they don't
Speaker 1: have that first round pick. Moore apparently have one. It's
Speaker 1: one in the third. Yeah, you can maybe argue that
Speaker 1: they want some more draft capital there going back in
Speaker 1: forty two, going back to it, I mean you can,
Speaker 1: you could wait. You could wait if you're Ballard. I
Speaker 1: mean I think they probably they will probably stand in
Speaker 1: there and make a pick. Snyder's the one I would target.
Speaker 1: Who do we got ahead of Snyder? And some give
Speaker 1: me some other other teams. Give me two three teams
Speaker 1: ahead of Snyder. Chicago's at thirty nine and that's their
Speaker 1: first new GM. He's gonna stand there and pick They
Speaker 1: need picks though. Yeah, they were so tight there that No,
Speaker 1: he's gotta he's gotta make a pick. That's when I
Speaker 1: start calling about skies. When somebody takes Christian Watson ahead
Speaker 1: of him, Bears gates time to go. I like Christian
Speaker 1: Watson a lot. Fine. Bears are at third elemental pros
Speaker 1: who's ahead of the Bears. Bears are at thirty nine,
Speaker 1: Jets are at thirty eight. Texans are at thirty seven. Okay, Texans,
Speaker 1: we target the Texans again, got two first. Hey, the
Speaker 1: Texans are the ones who take Pickens. So if you
Speaker 1: can get to that pick, you can get George Pickens.
Speaker 1: You're also at pick thirty seven. Yeah, let's party. That
Speaker 1: is an expensive pick. Give me, so, what what's the
Speaker 1: trade value on that? Five thirty? Cowboys second round pick
Speaker 1: is worth three forty find me one hundred and ninety. Man,
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys. I love pickings, man, I really do.
Speaker 1: I would have to, I mean, just take them at twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lose my job. Let's go. I mean, seriously, if you're
Speaker 1: a general manager that's sitting there thinking about like making
Speaker 1: a massive jump, and you're thinking I'm gonna lose my job.
Speaker 1: You're thinking, well, hell, somebody else's problem. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of deal. Okay, tell me if I'm crazy, if
Speaker 1: I think that's why Jerry should be more aggressive than
Speaker 1: everybody else. They're not gonna lose their jobs. Tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm crazy for thinking this. And I like Pickens,
Speaker 1: I've I mocked him in the seven round mock that
Speaker 1: we did for Dallas Cowboys dot Com the other day.
Speaker 1: But if you're jumping all the way up into the thirties,
Speaker 1: I would rather And again we're just we're trying to
Speaker 1: predict something that's impossible, but and that's we're trying to
Speaker 1: get a range. I'd rather get my receiver at twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and hope that Zion or Kenyan Greene falls into the
Speaker 1: thirties there, because can't you just imagine, and your receiver
Speaker 1: would be trailing Burkes at least most likely he goes
Speaker 1: twenty five. Okay, and I think anyways, Alave goes twenty two,
Speaker 1: that's devastating. You could get to thirty seven if we
Speaker 1: wanted to go get George Pickens at thirty seven but
Speaker 1: you would have to package fifty six and eighty eight.
Speaker 1: That gets you to four hundred and ninety trade points
Speaker 1: more you need, Yeah, you need basically fifty and then
Speaker 1: I would package two of those fifth round picks. We
Speaker 1: can we send him a player? Can we send them
Speaker 1: somebody a corner or something like that that we might
Speaker 1: not be able to use. Anthony Brown, You got a
Speaker 1: draft the call, Jordan Lewis something like that. This is
Speaker 1: one of those things where you better be right too,
Speaker 1: because this goes against everything I stand for and everything
Speaker 1: that the day, honestly, honestly, because what this falls into
Speaker 1: is just arrogance in your own evaluations. Yeah, is saying that, look,
Speaker 1: I'm right, and that guy shouldn't still be here, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to give up four picks because that's the
Speaker 1: right guy, and it's an it's a bad idea in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. I'll never right. There's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: and gals that have died on that hill going that
Speaker 1: it's the right guy. I'm not Look, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're always right. I'm not saying they would be right.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait, real quick, real quick, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask him a question. Then, if you had to
Speaker 1: pick between Pickens and sky Moore, would you pick Skymore
Speaker 1: if we were going up, If we're going up in
Speaker 1: both were on the board, you'd pick Skymarber Pickets, I
Speaker 1: would I think Skymore. And this is I think this
Speaker 1: is what evaluation is. It's all how you personally feel
Speaker 1: about Brian ear Muffett. For me, they're ceiling and their floor.
Speaker 1: Like George Pickens, his ceiling is to be a really
Speaker 1: really good outside wide receiver. And sky Moore, I think
Speaker 1: his floor is as high as almost anybody in the draft.
Speaker 1: Skymore will be a good slot receiver in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I promise. Can he play outside at all? Yes? Which,
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about this last night because again
Speaker 1: I've mocked Pickens here a few times. Are we focusing
Speaker 1: too much on a guy that I hate to call
Speaker 1: him a one trick pony, but he's like an ex receiver,
Speaker 1: you know, and that you think about this Core has
Speaker 1: CD who can do a little bit of both. I
Speaker 1: think they will get CD out of a slot. That's
Speaker 1: what kind of hearing those whispers they want to get
Speaker 1: him out play more outside. So I'm saying, well, Pickens
Speaker 1: isn't gonna play inside probably son't you guys coming around?
Speaker 1: I like where, I like where our heads are right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, taking forty shows, sky Moore is now realistically
Speaker 1: in the conversation at you know, he's always in the conversation,
Speaker 1: just realistic because the gentleman's my right. It's less about
Speaker 1: it's not a conversation. It's less about skyting investigation of
Speaker 1: the sky Morris ability. It's less about sky Moore for
Speaker 1: me and more about does Pickens fit this receiver corps. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've determined you take a guard at twenty four,
Speaker 1: you're going up for a receiver. You take, you take
Speaker 1: a receiver at twenty four. You're thinking about whatever offensive
Speaker 1: lineman is hanging there for you, or whatever defensive players there.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I understand if it doesn't thrill
Speaker 1: Jeff or a lot of other people. I think you
Speaker 1: have to think about Sam Williams there. Because athletic pass
Speaker 1: rushers see, don't fall. They're gonna That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They've They've given you enough of an indication. And again
Speaker 1: it's steal Bob Seger song. Working on mysteries without any clues. No,
Speaker 1: you got the clues you've got the clues they're telling you.
Speaker 1: They send coaches to work out dan Quinn is gonna
Speaker 1: let them take an offensive player early, and then he's
Speaker 1: gonna go in there and fight for Sam Williams. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. I will never forget twenty fourteen because it's
Speaker 1: Brian's favorite day. Because the first round ends, everybody goes
Speaker 1: back to the war room and kind of huddles about
Speaker 1: what they want to do. Brian comes into work on
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. He's like, and in classic Brian fashion's just like,
Speaker 1: just get ready, boys, they're gonna trade this pick up.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go get their pass rusher. And we're just like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Like they could do this,
Speaker 1: they could do that. He's like, I'm telling you now,
Speaker 1: they're going up to get to Marcus Lawrence. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what they did. Wow, there's precedence for it, and
Speaker 1: it turned out to not be a terrible call. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna trade away a third round pick,
Speaker 1: which pissed me off at the time, I hope it's
Speaker 1: an all pro player. If they trade up in the
Speaker 1: second round, that means they'll custom there three and maybe
Speaker 1: they're four. The draft coverage is gonna get super boring
Speaker 1: for a while. That's okay, because we'll be make it happen.
Speaker 1: We'll be busy as hell on Saturday. Just keep we're
Speaker 1: telling that they could trade up again. Like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: they can jump right back in at any moment, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you got to go to break, But what
Speaker 1: would it take to go up if you had to
Speaker 1: to get Sam Williams? Are you sitting tight and waiting
Speaker 1: at fifty six? I mean they go up for Sam Williams.
Speaker 1: I quit, They may do that. That's I quit. I'm
Speaker 1: saying why because it's not worth it. I mean, but again,
Speaker 1: like again, like I even think the word athletic pass
Speaker 1: rusher is a made up word for him. Why his
Speaker 1: athletic score is good because he didn't run the shuttles.
Speaker 1: He didn't run the shuttles for a reason. He's a
Speaker 1: big guy that can run fast and jump high. You
Speaker 1: gotta give that to him. Yeah, he can. He can
Speaker 1: run fast and jump high. But pass rushing is not
Speaker 1: straight up? How fast can you run? I got in
Speaker 1: trouble for defending tacos, so maybe I should shut my mouth.
Speaker 1: Watch it, pal, like Sam Williams is my edge number ten.
Speaker 1: That's a little low. I have him at seven. Like
Speaker 1: Nick Benito is a better pass rusher. Boy A Mafe
Speaker 1: is a better pass rush prospect. Arnold Ebi Katie is
Speaker 1: a better pass rush prospect. Ojabo is a better prospect.
Speaker 1: But the injuries the question mark, and then I think
Speaker 1: you get to Sam Williams. So like fifty six, I'd
Speaker 1: be like yeah, going up, I'd be like, oh no,
Speaker 1: and then hope for the best. This is the class
Speaker 1: Jeff is laying all that groundwork for win. Now it's like, man,
Speaker 1: we hate this guy all that this is true. You
Speaker 1: can you can influence everybody to not the people in
Speaker 1: the room. They can say that I'm wrong and they disagree,
Speaker 1: and then I love. I was nodding my head as
Speaker 1: you were talking. To be honest, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go up to get him, but I like Williams as
Speaker 1: a player. Drake Jackson I have above him and stuff,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're not. You have Drake Jackson above him.
Speaker 1: I think that this is Brian hates this guy way
Speaker 1: more than I do. This is the time of year
Speaker 1: where I will just calmly remind everyone that team's grades
Speaker 1: very wildly from what those of us. They don't give
Speaker 1: a right. They also don't give an that's my thing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just over here, like what cares what we think
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. Store is going to be the
Speaker 1: eighth receiver picked. I have him as number two. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't listen to me about anything, all right, Oh now
Speaker 1: you're coming around to this. All those years for me
Speaker 1: having to like the bosses, I killed that family for years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be right, and it's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Jeff knows more than the league again.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to think that right now. Just
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Speaker 1: I love the way that y'all touch on things that
Speaker 1: our listeners ask about. Because Jeff briefly brought him up
Speaker 1: in the first segment, James says, I don't here about
Speaker 1: much about North Dakota states Christian Watson. How would you
Speaker 1: feel about him? At fifty six? I vote Kyle Goes
Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, I think you like him. I do.
Speaker 1: I like him more than probably both of you guys
Speaker 1: a little bit. But the thing with Watson is he's
Speaker 1: not only your developmental receiver and a guy who would
Speaker 1: fit in perfectly as a two three guy on your roster.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Gallup when he's out, Christian Watson's gonna play,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna play a lot early on in the year.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a ton of valuable snaps. And he's
Speaker 1: also probably gonna take Ceedee Lamb out of the return
Speaker 1: man sort of conversation, get him out of the return game,
Speaker 1: get him out of special teams. It puts Christian Watson
Speaker 1: as a return specialist. Good athlete. He's got that speed,
Speaker 1: he's got the body control on the outside he bought.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you're looking at tape for the
Speaker 1: majority of the time against the Northern Illinois and the
Speaker 1: San Diego States whenever they get to play FBS competition,
Speaker 1: But he ended up playing Michigan State route the season.
Speaker 1: He has good tape on that as well. I like
Speaker 1: the way that he runs routes. I like the way
Speaker 1: that he uses his body to shield his himself from defenders.
Speaker 1: Good player. Overall fifty six. I'm happy with him there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade up to go get him.
Speaker 1: He's not in that George Pickens conversation by any means.
Speaker 1: But he's also not going to last to eighty eight.
Speaker 1: So if he's your guy at fifty six, go and
Speaker 1: do it. Man. You scared me with the word develop.
Speaker 1: I came and said, I know, I said it, and
Speaker 1: a developmental because I knew Jeff was. He kind of
Speaker 1: looked at me as soon as I said it, and
Speaker 1: he was like, that's the point. Does that sound We're
Speaker 1: like eighty eight and fifty six. I definitely have fifty six, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the way he gave the report.
Speaker 1: But when you said, if I was sitting in a
Speaker 1: room and you said that in a draftman, I would
Speaker 1: be all over your ass about that, agreed. I would,
Speaker 1: especially if I was fighting for another player. Sure, And
Speaker 1: but you know to me, I mean, and I know
Speaker 1: when you said it, You're like, oh damn, these high
Speaker 1: going to come out said that that word chum in
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, you know, you described a player to
Speaker 1: me that kind of sound like that he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to again develop. But then also then a player that
Speaker 1: can do the return stuff and all that. Is that
Speaker 1: enough for a second round pick? That's the question you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself about that. I just thought, I mean, which,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He really a Senior Bowl against No. No,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. That's the thing about it
Speaker 1: is though. I mean, but because if you're arguing that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that you and Dane, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that a little bit higher than me on that.
Speaker 1: But to me, I could see it. I just wondered,
Speaker 1: why somebody, you know, we've talked about this, this wasn't
Speaker 1: the player that Dane was talking about that I was mentioned, like,
Speaker 1: why is this guy not playing in the A SEC?
Speaker 1: Why is he not playing in the SEC? Why? There
Speaker 1: was somebody that was at Utah who was no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: It was a guy who had an offer to Utah,
Speaker 1: but he went somewhere to play with his Oh it
Speaker 1: was McCullum. Mccullumcullum, Sam. You see, I'm like thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: why does somebody in the in this Sam Houston corner,
Speaker 1: Why is somebody in the Big twelve not signing? Well,
Speaker 1: he had to offer to go play at Utah, you know,
Speaker 1: I's like, Okay, now I get the same thing with Watson.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody obviously in the ACCA or the Southeastern
Speaker 1: Conference at Mississippi State or Old miss or one of
Speaker 1: these places Kentucky missed this guy. He's from Tampa. He's
Speaker 1: from Tampa. I scouted his dad, Tim. It's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a kid from Tampa couldn't get him. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A great he's developed. I mean, but the majority of
Speaker 1: his plays you watch it player chunk plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of chunk catches. So I mean, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know better. It's every every week dot com dot
Speaker 1: com on man because I wanted to see because I
Speaker 1: don't have Dane's beast pulled up, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: see if maybe Zeroline had Why he ended up at
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. See, I always asked to have a
Speaker 1: ton of production in high school. That was the thing.
Speaker 1: He went three years in high school and had rarely anything,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of blew up as a senior,
Speaker 1: got to a two star rating. But that was it.
Speaker 1: That's why you always wonder about, like did somebody miss
Speaker 1: or was this kid late developing? You know, that's another
Speaker 1: question you have to kind of ask yourself, there's that
Speaker 1: we're developing again. Now you bring up you bring up
Speaker 1: a good point on the developmental and it's a word
Speaker 1: you I want to use for a high pick Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop using I'm gonna take it out of
Speaker 1: my vocabulary. At fifty six, you're looking at this second
Speaker 1: tier of wide receivers. Yeah, and I would put Pickens
Speaker 1: at the top of that second tier list with Johan Dotson,
Speaker 1: David Bell, Alec Pierce. This is not in any order,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just kind of skipping around. Christian
Speaker 1: Watson's in there, Calvin Austen Shakier outside of Pickens. Watson's
Speaker 1: my number two, okay, out of the second tier of
Speaker 1: wide receivers. So that's my thing. He's they're not to
Speaker 1: that certain level where they're gonna come in and instantly
Speaker 1: be the justin Jefferson's the Jamar Chases and then I
Speaker 1: think that's williams Burke's Wilson London Olive. Right, He's not that,
Speaker 1: but he's still gonna be a good player in the
Speaker 1: NFL as soon as he's think I think these players
Speaker 1: and jeff correct me if I'm wrong. I think these
Speaker 1: wide receivers in college are better equipped to step in.
Speaker 1: There was a time when I was in scouting that
Speaker 1: these wide receivers they had to learn how to have
Speaker 1: releases and all that they got jam, they couldn't catch
Speaker 1: the ball, all these problems. I think wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this day and age, because the way college is sort
Speaker 1: of the football, are better equipped to play right off
Speaker 1: the trigate college. These kids are traveling, going to tournaments
Speaker 1: yet the time they're like twelve. Yeah, it's crazy, but
Speaker 1: I actually think that that's the when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the wide receivers from college to pro as a whole,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think that's the unique
Speaker 1: part about Christian Watson is inside this group of wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I do think he's the most raw of the top
Speaker 1: ten receivers in the draft class, Like he's my wide
Speaker 1: receiver nine, which so as we're debating him, it's like
Speaker 1: we're probably just debating players forty through sixty five. Not No,
Speaker 1: he can't play like Christian Watson's an awesome combination of size, speed, athleticism. YEP.
Speaker 1: I also think in a run first, North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: North Dakota State scheme where he's never been a high
Speaker 1: volume target and he's playing mostly against guys that can't
Speaker 1: compete with him with a ball in the air. That
Speaker 1: there is the pharmacystem. Yeah, that there is a lot
Speaker 1: of room for growth. Now, could that be a rookie
Speaker 1: starter as one of your three wide receivers, sure, accountant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think before he's an impact NFL player, he's
Speaker 1: going to have to get accustomed to the fact that
Speaker 1: there's more routes than just five yard stop route and
Speaker 1: run by that guy. No, you're you're right. He showed
Speaker 1: that in Mobile though, like in the practices, his route
Speaker 1: tree was more than just that. He was able to
Speaker 1: show that you saw him live. I mean you saw
Speaker 1: him live. That's that's you can't discount seeing him a love.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing for me is going into the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He was kind of a no name guy,
Speaker 1: and of course we kind of go down the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl guys first. But ever since seeing him kind of
Speaker 1: elevate his game against that competition in Mobile, you look
Speaker 1: at it as a Okay, he could do that. He
Speaker 1: may be a late developer. He may just not have
Speaker 1: had the production in high school to get those sp
Speaker 1: fbs looks. Now he should have. Now you know that
Speaker 1: maybe he was missed and maybe he's a guy that
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute early. He's aced the pre
Speaker 1: draft process for sure. Yeah, I mean I have And
Speaker 1: I know this isn't scientific, but I've seen mocks that
Speaker 1: are sneaking him into the back end of the first round. Sure,
Speaker 1: really like to a Kansas City or something like that.
Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about receivers, Rob wants to know,
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: but like the range where you would draft him, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to add this to it. I would also
Speaker 1: like to know the same for Khalil Shaker out of Boise,
Speaker 1: who a lot of people have asked about, and I
Speaker 1: feel like we probably haven't talked about him enough. Both
Speaker 1: of those guys. Seeing Shakier and Watson going head to
Speaker 1: head and Mobile, that's why there's a considerable difference between
Speaker 1: the two for me, because Shakier didn't necessarily impress me
Speaker 1: a whole lot in Mobile. He still had a good
Speaker 1: a good combine, good draft process. He has decent jumps.
Speaker 1: He wasn't necessarily anybody that jumped off the page. But
Speaker 1: he's in that second tier, that jumble of receivers that
Speaker 1: you would take in the latter half of the second
Speaker 1: into the third round. But he's not as exciting as
Speaker 1: some of those other second round receivers that are out there.
Speaker 1: I got pierced in the third and Shakire in the fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I've gotten rated Pierce in the third for me,
Speaker 1: and then I also have Shaquiirra in the third, but
Speaker 1: late third, I have both in the third. I actually
Speaker 1: had Shaqiir above Pierce, but it's I mean we're talking
Speaker 1: same range, same area. I think Shaqiir is probably a
Speaker 1: slot guy in the NFL and Pierce, like, he's one
Speaker 1: of the guys that I think it could be really
Speaker 1: wrong about it and he could be a better pro
Speaker 1: than I think he's going to be because like he
Speaker 1: he had good production. Yeah, he had an outstanding combine.
Speaker 1: I just didn't speak. I didn't see that level of
Speaker 1: athleticism on tape. Like his his testing tells you that
Speaker 1: he's an incredible athlete, but I just thought like he's
Speaker 1: he's very inconsistent when it's like, hey, beat that guy
Speaker 1: in press coverage. Sometimes he can't get off the line,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes he smokes him. It was just kind
Speaker 1: of up and down. He's very much when if you
Speaker 1: watch Ritter, you know, there's like every ball seemed to
Speaker 1: go to him, and it was like there were some
Speaker 1: bad balls that he was catching. He was going up.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I don't there's some I think
Speaker 1: there's a lack of separation at time, but this is
Speaker 1: why I see the athletic ability of going up and
Speaker 1: getting the ball. Now, maybe he's able. I mean you
Speaker 1: see some red zone stuff where he's able to spin
Speaker 1: and look back and then all of a sudden the
Speaker 1: balls there and he adjusts to it. So you know,
Speaker 1: as we're watching here the Hodge stuff, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, he's always going to get against
Speaker 1: Tulane right there he's covered and then you know he
Speaker 1: goes up and elevates and gets the football. That's just
Speaker 1: the kind of thing. I mean, he's not going to
Speaker 1: run away from a lot of people. That You're right about.
Speaker 1: The testing numbers, they were very, very good. He had
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns this past year, five in his career prior
Speaker 1: to this season, but his eight touchdowns four of them
Speaker 1: came inside the red zone, and another four of them
Speaker 1: came outside. So he does have some deep threat ability,
Speaker 1: but he also, with his size and his body control,
Speaker 1: can certainly be a red zone threat at six foot
Speaker 1: two plus. TJ can't help, but note that the overall
Speaker 1: mood on the Parsons pick last year was at least
Speaker 1: mild disappointment, if not outright disappointment. I think we were
Speaker 1: all plays a different position. He does, he's he's he's
Speaker 1: not hating guys. He's hating. He ain't guys hating. He's
Speaker 1: I promise you he's not a passive aggressive player. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's not. I think this is a fair question. He
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. He just wants to know a guy
Speaker 1: you could pick at twenty four where you might initially
Speaker 1: say like okay, where you could wind up feeling a
Speaker 1: lot better. Zion Johnson's that guy for me. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that one hundred. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you guys are old pick. No, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't have a yeah, I'm saying and
Speaker 1: me and and I understand, I understand why people like him.
Speaker 1: I do get that, you know, but I could say
Speaker 1: the same damn thing about Green from Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's these guards are not making me feel
Speaker 1: all warm and fuzzy all of a sudden. But I
Speaker 1: have a chance to be really, really really wrong about
Speaker 1: that because there were some things I talked about. Was
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson with some of his hesitation and some of
Speaker 1: the run block and stuff and things like that pass protection.
Speaker 1: I mean, i've Green is a better player, but there's
Speaker 1: Green's got faults too. I'm not going to sit there
Speaker 1: and like when this, when of these get picked, I
Speaker 1: think the consensus in the room, and sometimes that sometimes
Speaker 1: consensus is good. Let's need at the rams. He doesn't
Speaker 1: like consensus. I kind of like when my scout buddies
Speaker 1: tell me, no, man, hey listen, this is what you've
Speaker 1: seen in the player, and this you just had a
Speaker 1: bad day scouting. You know. That's kind of where I'm
Speaker 1: looking at. What Zion was Zion Johnson. So if you
Speaker 1: love Zion, what do you got, Jeff? I think mine
Speaker 1: would be Bernard Raymond. And maybe maybe you're right that
Speaker 1: it's not a realistic pick. I just I see him
Speaker 1: on the thirty visit list. I see him being mocked
Speaker 1: in the twenties and thirties, and it's more realistic than
Speaker 1: we're giving credit to. I think there's a big shot
Speaker 1: because they've really honed in. Like Brian said in the
Speaker 1: first segment with Clues, they have looked at this tackle
Speaker 1: class up and down. What is at the combine or
Speaker 1: at the senior boar? He said it. Dave got the
Speaker 1: Jerry to say it at the at the owner's meeting,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a tackle, he said it. Davis standing
Speaker 1: right there like no on his head like we're looking
Speaker 1: for a tackle? Was sitting actually cool And if you
Speaker 1: want a big name, that's more fun. Chris Olove, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't love it at twenty four. I would be thrilled
Speaker 1: with Chris Olave at twenty just like receivers though, I
Speaker 1: mean I do, but I just I think Chris Lave's
Speaker 1: skill set really fits Dak Prescott. I think he's the
Speaker 1: exact type of receiver. Dads, if they took Burkes instead
Speaker 1: of a Lobby, would you feel better? I would be
Speaker 1: quote worse fit. But see the thing about it is
Speaker 1: it's always going to be and it's the and it's
Speaker 1: in the right. He's got the passion for that that
Speaker 1: wide receiver for you know, for Skymore, I get it.
Speaker 1: I do. I totally understand. I love that. But but
Speaker 1: if you anybody other than Skymore, say maybe as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, well, I think the difference here's the twenty
Speaker 1: four you would be like they could have taken sky More.
Speaker 1: It's the camera on me. If we could get the
Speaker 1: camera be the difference between like Chris Olave and Skymore.
Speaker 1: And this is coming from the only guy on planet
Speaker 1: Earth who likes Skymore more than Chris Olave. This is
Speaker 1: the difference. I don't have any muscle, but the difference
Speaker 1: is you have caught the ball. Now what the answer
Speaker 1: with Chris is the first guy to get here, I
Speaker 1: fall sky Moore. That's not the answer. Get down, it's
Speaker 1: not the answer. He's going to break tackles. He's going
Speaker 1: to get extra yards. And like Chris Alas, there's a
Speaker 1: big room a hundred yards away with millions of dollars
Speaker 1: worth of weights and we can get him in there,
Speaker 1: you know, right, But now we're talking what we're talking
Speaker 1: about is Ohio State might be nicer. We're talking about
Speaker 1: we're talking about first round picks. And it's crazy because
Speaker 1: I first of all. I love the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: and I love the technicians, and Alab is basically a
Speaker 1: flawless technician. Yeah, I just think that he is a
Speaker 1: thin dude that plays thin like DeVante Smith. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a problem with because Davante Smith you couldn't press
Speaker 1: him and alb can release. But inside routes when he
Speaker 1: gets bumped or when he has the ball in his hands,
Speaker 1: he's getting tackled, and I just I wish he had
Speaker 1: a little better play strength and that can develop. And
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to throw his name out. There
Speaker 1: should be a better conversation than Raymond Olave At twenty
Speaker 1: four might turn out to be an amazing pick, but
Speaker 1: in my head, he's currently wide receiver seven. So I'd
Speaker 1: just be like, I hope this works out. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's more I think about it. I think Ohio State
Speaker 1: shoe budget might be more than the budget at Western
Speaker 1: Michigan right now. Football, Yeah, shoe budget. My guy was
Speaker 1: out there rocking twenty four West wide receiver number twenty four.
Speaker 1: Western was in a cotton bowl. Not all that long,
Speaker 1: not a long ago. We watched to send another receiver
Speaker 1: from there, probably not as good as a career as
Speaker 1: maybe we thought, yeah, what do you got, Kyle? I
Speaker 1: was gonna say with Olive specifically, you're you're talking about
Speaker 1: thin not necessarily play strength. He's a technician of a
Speaker 1: route runner. Why is that different than Ceedee Lamb from
Speaker 1: just a general breaks tack? I know, And that's kind
Speaker 1: of my thing is if you wanted to really provide
Speaker 1: another fit for this offense and for Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: give him a different option to throw too, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: look at the guys like a Drake London and then
Speaker 1: Treyln Burkes and a sky More even because he is
Speaker 1: a bit of a chain up from Ceedee Lamb to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. So and I just I think this
Speaker 1: is the year that I've been against the consensus on
Speaker 1: wide receiver more than ever because, like I would take
Speaker 1: Trail and Burke's over Drake London because to me, the
Speaker 1: NFL has really turned into I want two things from
Speaker 1: my wide receivers. Get open and do it quick. Give
Speaker 1: him hell after you have the ball. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I want. Trail and Burkes may not be the best
Speaker 1: get open guy, but he's big, yeah, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to say he's fast. Even though forty time is going
Speaker 1: to disagree. I've watched him outrun Alabama's entire team. He's big,
Speaker 1: he's fast, he's hell to tackle. You know what. You
Speaker 1: know what scares me about Burks is will they use
Speaker 1: him the right way? Will they use him to play?
Speaker 1: Why were you two forty when you showed up for training? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about is to me, I think
Speaker 1: he's always going to be a big guy myself. But
Speaker 1: I just wonder, with the way his skill set is,
Speaker 1: are you going to use him the right way? That's
Speaker 1: the fear I have. Can I throw with a lobby?
Speaker 1: And I know we got to get to somewhere else,
Speaker 1: but a lobby. I kind of thought of Terry Glynn
Speaker 1: with better hands is what I thought about, Okay, I
Speaker 1: thought about that same school, same kind of physical build.
Speaker 1: Terry Glynn was a catch it, running fast and fall
Speaker 1: on the ground real quick. But but Terry Glynn, Harrison,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison run fall down real quick. Yeah, live to
Speaker 1: fight another day, got to the Hall of Fame doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of get wrong. I'll accept Marvin Harrison. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you will. There's Marvin Harrison out there somewhere I'll
Speaker 1: double down and say I would be pretty surprised if
Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond is their pick at twenty four. Having said that,
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that he's only been playing that
Speaker 1: position for two years and he's already this good man.
Speaker 1: And I'm fine buying in on that upside. Okay, let's okay.
Speaker 1: Live with that. Can you live with that knowing that
Speaker 1: your offensive line needs help? Now? Yeah? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's good enough to play right now. But is
Speaker 1: he gonna plug and play you? That's the thing is
Speaker 1: he's not going to play, And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think you would be the pick,
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Speaker 1: me more about Hassan Haskins, the Michigan running back. Me
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jeff is always running back and that's all
Speaker 1: you really need to even draft him. How about this,
Speaker 1: Why don't we play with these guys? Come on, give
Speaker 1: me a good report about him. He is a running back, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a Day three guy to me. Like at
Speaker 1: Michigan he was the feature ball carrier. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: not the featured receiving running back. Both of his backups
Speaker 1: caught more passes than he did, so, like, I think
Speaker 1: he's a solid runner that most of his work is
Speaker 1: between the tackles, and he's good. He's a good, solid
Speaker 1: running back that doesn't really factor into the passing game,
Speaker 1: that isn't an elite athlete. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: Day three guy that can be a guy that is
Speaker 1: one of your two or three backs on your team
Speaker 1: on an NFL roster. So you know Michigan big numbers,
Speaker 1: good player, but I think in the NFL he's one
Speaker 1: of your two or three running backs in a rotation
Speaker 1: and he's a fifth or six round pick. He's really strong.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got the big body, big lower body.
Speaker 1: He's very well built from top to bottom and even
Speaker 1: put up twenty seven reps on the bench press at
Speaker 1: the combine, which is pretty impressive for a running back.
Speaker 1: But he's not going to run away from anybody. He
Speaker 1: doesn't combine that with the speed, ye And that's kind
Speaker 1: of my biggest thing is he really had a breakout
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty the shortened season, only played like
Speaker 1: six games, and he had six point one yards per carry,
Speaker 1: But most of that was just running through people, like
Speaker 1: you said, in between the tackles, it was, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of broken tackles, and then he would just
Speaker 1: kind of get caught and teams figured out how to
Speaker 1: play him, and that he was kind of a one
Speaker 1: trick pony, and that was where his production took a
Speaker 1: significant dip in twenty twenty one. I think the best
Speaker 1: trade he has his vision actually, and you know there's
Speaker 1: times where he like when he has to make a cut,
Speaker 1: he can make a cut and get through that hole.
Speaker 1: I think around the goal line he could be a weapon.
Speaker 1: He's six two, like you mentioned, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds. He's an upright runner too, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't take many shots. I mean, he's like delivering shots,
Speaker 1: and I'm always with these backs. I'm looking at these backs.
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle, You're right, he's not going to run
Speaker 1: away from anybody. That's that's just you know, he's pretty
Speaker 1: steady that way. Pass protection no, is one of those
Speaker 1: things where he's kind of just a shoulder guy. It's
Speaker 1: not really square, sit down, take on a guy. So
Speaker 1: you always if you're going to be that third down
Speaker 1: guy or second back, you've got to be able to
Speaker 1: have bail a pass protect a little bit. And I
Speaker 1: think he's more of a just not that they can't
Speaker 1: teach him or he can't learn, but his style is
Speaker 1: really just trying to throw the shoulder, just lunge through
Speaker 1: the shoulder and hope for the best. But he's had
Speaker 1: some production in some big games for Michigan over the years.
Speaker 1: But I agree with where everybody has him placed. Is there? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are not going to draft a
Speaker 1: running back before day three. Is there a guy with
Speaker 1: a Day three grade that you feel a lot better
Speaker 1: about than the others Because a lot of times when
Speaker 1: we do this, it's like he's a Day three running back.
Speaker 1: So what is there? I watched? Uh is it Algier?
Speaker 1: There's the Lagier, the BYU running back. Yeah, I see
Speaker 1: a Day three guy though I have him in the
Speaker 1: fourth I'm in the fourth round. Um, I'll see him
Speaker 1: going in the third. Yeah, and then Williams from Notre
Speaker 1: Dame was another one that I had as a as
Speaker 1: a fourth round guy. Colin Williams from Notre Dame. From
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, those were the couple of guys. And
Speaker 1: then I had Haskins down like in the fifth. So
Speaker 1: those were kind of my fourth fifth round guys. Um
Speaker 1: Abraham Smith from Baylor, We've talked about him a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Jerome Ford from Cincinnati, kind of a receiving back,
Speaker 1: somebody who can do a lot of different things. Sincere
Speaker 1: McCormick out of UTSA. And then Kennedy Brooks, a DFW
Speaker 1: product that would to Oklahoma Day four guys or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Day three guys maybe even undrafted guys that could be
Speaker 1: in that conversation that I like a lot. Tell me
Speaker 1: more about Oklahoma State linebacker Malcolm Rodriguez. It's almost one
Speaker 1: of those boy Scout type of players in a good way.
Speaker 1: I mean, second team All Big Twelve each of his
Speaker 1: last three years. He was a undersized guy, but his
Speaker 1: instincts in his leadership on the second level of that
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State defense were pretty phenomenal. Just racks up tackles.
Speaker 1: Had one hundred and thirty tackles, sixteen and a half
Speaker 1: for loss this past year, three sacks as he came
Speaker 1: for he actually forced four fumbles. So he plays downhill
Speaker 1: pretty quick, but he doesn't have a ton of side
Speaker 1: or size excuse me. And then he also just doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily look extra quick. He doesn't have that first step.
Speaker 1: He has good instincts, but he kind of hesitates every
Speaker 1: once in a while. So he's a heartbeat of that defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sure is. Dude is all over the place, yep.
Speaker 1: But like Kyle and you wonder in the NFL, like
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm most confident that he's going to
Speaker 1: do in the NFL be on the kickoff team, a
Speaker 1: great specialty. D's gonna stream down the field and tackle
Speaker 1: the dude because I just you know, he may maybe
Speaker 1: he can translate all that college production into being an
Speaker 1: NFL starter, But I do think that that's more of
Speaker 1: a developmental thing because I think you're looking at a
Speaker 1: straight line hitter. But I mean, the dude finds the ball,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get to the ball, and he's gonna tackle
Speaker 1: running backs. The question is on third down, is he
Speaker 1: agile enough in space to play coverage, to make plays
Speaker 1: in that regard. So again, I think he's a Day
Speaker 1: three player, but somebody's gonna draft him. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. He's gonna be on special teams, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if he becomes a guy that is an NFL starter.
Speaker 1: I like the kid and have him basically the same
Speaker 1: round of a shorter linebacker from Baylor is Banard, the
Speaker 1: same guy at sixes two hundred and twenty four pounds.
Speaker 1: They're similar players, Yeah they are. They both I mean again,
Speaker 1: but those big twelve type players, but both tacks touching
Speaker 1: right there. I mean, I think the guys have got
Speaker 1: him absolutely right with what you're looking at. The thing
Speaker 1: that I was interested in. I know this. If you're
Speaker 1: talking about the coverage. There was an interception you had
Speaker 1: in the Notre Dame game where he was able to
Speaker 1: drop redirect and then you know, the quarterback just threw
Speaker 1: it and he was able to make the play to
Speaker 1: kind of seal things up. There was another time where
Speaker 1: he knocked the ball. I think it was in the
Speaker 1: TCU game where he knocked the ball out of the
Speaker 1: running backs hands. I think the guy, you know, you
Speaker 1: say you get to the football, create turnovers. Jeff's right
Speaker 1: about the special team stuff. This guy is going to
Speaker 1: fly down the field. I didn't see him get blockers
Speaker 1: get up on him and get him washed. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like kind of staying ahead of the blockers and
Speaker 1: then staying active in order to keep himself alive. But
Speaker 1: I like, I say him and my guy Bernard from Baylor,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for two undersized linebackers that aren't the
Speaker 1: Nakobe Deane, those are the kinds of guys you're looking
Speaker 1: at right there. He kind of reminds me of a
Speaker 1: poor man's Nick Bolton from last year Frisco product to
Speaker 1: under six foot, a little bit wide. Moulton was a
Speaker 1: little bigger and a little bit heavier, and he also
Speaker 1: played more fierce downhill than than Rodriguez does. But he
Speaker 1: does a lot of things well, and I agree completely
Speaker 1: with Jeff. He's gonna make a special teams roster. He's
Speaker 1: gonna find his snaps every once in a while. He
Speaker 1: does things the right way, which is something impressive. I've
Speaker 1: seen Terrell Bernard graded as high as the fourth by
Speaker 1: some people as that. Yeah, that's why I had that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I have both these guys. I have him
Speaker 1: and Rodriguez right there. I mean you kind of you
Speaker 1: kind of have a pocket of in this draft. It
Speaker 1: looks like of shorter guys that played positions. She kind
Speaker 1: of keep them all together. And it reminds you that, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I have to go get a short corner, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh here's Marcus Jones. Oh I think we had a
Speaker 1: shorter linebacker. Oh here's Bernard. I have to go, you
Speaker 1: know that kind of get the short guy round. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of short guy rounds. You can you
Speaker 1: can tell when you look at my board where they
Speaker 1: are though they're on these little pockets. Do you have
Speaker 1: Calvin and one Dale Robinson in the same round? Pretty close?
Speaker 1: This man is He's not undersized at all. He stood
Speaker 1: out to me at the Senior Bowl, and I would
Speaker 1: like to know more about UCLA defensive tackle Otito Obonia.
Speaker 1: He did like him at the Senior Bowl. He made
Speaker 1: some plays and like and for the size he plays
Speaker 1: at I just remember guys had a tough time dealing
Speaker 1: with him. You know. I think you're absolutely right about
Speaker 1: this guy. And I watched him against our alma mater, Dave,
Speaker 1: and we really didn't do a good job of blocking
Speaker 1: him now, and we watched him against Utah as well.
Speaker 1: As another thing, I was surprised how much he weighed
Speaker 1: because he moves like a much lighter man three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four pounds. He's pretty disruptive, and I mean
Speaker 1: in a disruptive like the first step and he's on you,
Speaker 1: and these blockers are like and again, hey, our center
Speaker 1: at LSU wasn't great, but he mean, he's like it's
Speaker 1: like they're not even getting in position on him. He's
Speaker 1: kind of knocking guys around and getting up the field
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I saw him one time get
Speaker 1: outside in the Utah game where he was able to
Speaker 1: clean up a play getting to the sideline. So he
Speaker 1: gives you that little bit of effort to go make
Speaker 1: that play. But I think at three one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty four pounds, this guy, I'm surprised how he looked.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look that big, but man, he is disruptive
Speaker 1: in all and I was I was impressed with the
Speaker 1: way he was able to come to the fight that
Speaker 1: he had. This is not a knock on Chris Bamark,
Speaker 1: producer there that forty yard dash has to be a
Speaker 1: typho though. Right, there's no way this man five three,
Speaker 1: there's no way this man's okay. Just making sure, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're fine. We appreciate that would have gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I'm gonna say, if a couple of rounds,
Speaker 1: just make it sure. No, that's not a problem. He
Speaker 1: is quick though. I like his initial the initial burst
Speaker 1: I think is really good. I like the powerful just
Speaker 1: the force that he comes off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily take the he doesn't get washed out
Speaker 1: of place, doesn't get caught off guard. He's a good
Speaker 1: run defender. You can see it in some of the
Speaker 1: plays that we're showing on the video side of things.
Speaker 1: I know, if you're listening you can't see it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good run defender. He can provide a little
Speaker 1: bit of pass rush, but that's not necessarily his mo.
Speaker 1: He's gonna plug a hole and he's gonna move the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, take up multiple gap and do a
Speaker 1: good job of doing so. I wrote that he the
Speaker 1: pros are he's six four three twenty four, he's long armed,
Speaker 1: he's got pop in his hands, and he plays hard. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cons or that I saw him as being slow footed,
Speaker 1: playing high and not anchoring real well. So I think
Speaker 1: that he's a Day three defensive nose tackle, fifth, sixth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you hope that you can develop like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep the pads down, yep, We'll get some lead
Speaker 1: in the butt here. We're not gonna be moved. And
Speaker 1: let's see if we can get the feet to match up.
Speaker 1: Because he does have pop. Yeah, like he can. He
Speaker 1: can get hands on you and jolt and move, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that the feet or the lower body
Speaker 1: consistency matches up to that violence. And the Cowboys like
Speaker 1: drafting guys out of UCLA with double os as their initials.
Speaker 1: We'll think about this as far as these one techniques
Speaker 1: like Ridgeway, like having the third Ferrell from Millishoe in
Speaker 1: the fourth and then this young man in the fifth.
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's there's there's gonna be these guys
Speaker 1: that each round, there's gonna be have one of these
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty four pound guys that played for you. Kyle.
Speaker 1: You brought this guy up a week or two ago,
Speaker 1: and I was curious, So tell me more about Maryland
Speaker 1: tight end chick. Goozem O Quanquo, yes Okon from Maryland.
Speaker 1: I was going to get a good frame for a
Speaker 1: tight end, reliable hands. Been some couple late droppers in
Speaker 1: the tight end class this year, but he's actually one
Speaker 1: that's kind of climbing because of his traits, and he
Speaker 1: had an impressive combine four five forty yard dash thirty
Speaker 1: five and a half inch vertical. Those were not numbers
Speaker 1: that were necessarily anticipated. But the best part of his
Speaker 1: game is his speed and then his yards after the catchability.
Speaker 1: He's not a versatile blocker, not necessarily an all around,
Speaker 1: all encompassing tight end, which is why he will go
Speaker 1: Day three most likely because some of those Day two
Speaker 1: guys can do a little bit of everything. But as
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, I think he's as good as some
Speaker 1: of the guys in the class. He's a decent in
Speaker 1: line blocker who can maybe develop more in regard. But
Speaker 1: I like his hands. I like his his ability to
Speaker 1: be used on the sideline, then in the red zone,
Speaker 1: especially in coverage and in some traffic. My damn notes,
Speaker 1: go actually just wanted to know because everything Kyle was
Speaker 1: saying like he nailed him because he's four. He's a
Speaker 1: four or five athlete. He was a He was two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight pounds I believe at Pro Day
Speaker 1: that's right. So like he's not big, Nope, he's not
Speaker 1: like a nuance droute runner, like it's all one kind
Speaker 1: of speed. I think he's a blow average route runner.
Speaker 1: He's not used over the middle of the field, at
Speaker 1: least Maryland didn't use him there. So again, I think
Speaker 1: we are talking about, to me a Day three guy
Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, if you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to be a real life guy, who's ever going to
Speaker 1: play in line. It's weird because he has a muscular frame,
Speaker 1: but between the maybe the arm length and the weight
Speaker 1: is not enough. Like you watch Ojabo and Hutchinson and
Speaker 1: they're like, out of our way, you ain't blocking. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny, but you get the ball in his hands
Speaker 1: and life gets fun. He did something to Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: can't do. I was watching the Penn State game and
Speaker 1: they and they ran. He was playing backside in line
Speaker 1: and he made a cutoff block from the going inside.
Speaker 1: I mean like they they were they were running the
Speaker 1: bottle left. He was tied into the right and he
Speaker 1: cut his guy off and got his head all the
Speaker 1: way across and turned the guy back inside. In the
Speaker 1: Penn State game, I think you guys have got him
Speaker 1: absolutely name. You can watch him in the Michigan State game.
Speaker 1: They throw him a screen to him and like he
Speaker 1: catches it and he's up the field and the defender
Speaker 1: tries to cut him off. He jumps, the defender goes though,
Speaker 1: he jumps to defender, lands one foot, keeps balance on
Speaker 1: the sidelines, and then goes into the end zone. So
Speaker 1: the guy has some athletic ability. I think there's some,
Speaker 1: you know. I was. I was surprised of how many
Speaker 1: times they threw him the ball and he was kind
Speaker 1: of covered and I'm like, oh, he didn't catch that.
Speaker 1: Oh wait he did? You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So I think the hands are good. And again I
Speaker 1: saw something to see Dalton schultzte and that's cut off
Speaker 1: the backside, backside defender. I watched the Ohio State, Michigan
Speaker 1: and Michigan State games. I'm gonna add Penn State because
Speaker 1: I just want to see him do that because he
Speaker 1: had he had huge He had huge numbers against Penn State,
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Those are the games you really need to
Speaker 1: watch round five. I'm gonna say fifth, fifth ish round? Yeah,
Speaker 1: real quickly. Last one, Percy Butler, the safety out of
Speaker 1: Louisiana Lafayette. Tell me more fun developmental safety to me,
Speaker 1: um six foot one ninety four four three six big
Speaker 1: broad jump. So you're talking about an explosive athletic guy
Speaker 1: man coverage stuff. I know there's something that Brian will
Speaker 1: like there because when he lines up over the slot
Speaker 1: and they run drag routes away from him, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: ain't running away from You're not running from him. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have to develop in terms of consistency
Speaker 1: as a tackler. That's That's the number one thing right there.
Speaker 1: How he plays deep when he's a deep safety, but
Speaker 1: he wants to run the alley, he wants to pop
Speaker 1: he can run and again, let me check the exact
Speaker 1: round I put him in. But I'm pretty sure he's
Speaker 1: gonna online with the rest of this group we've been watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth round? Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I
Speaker 1: got him in the fifth myself, and I think Jeff
Speaker 1: I don't always see him play this fast. I think
Speaker 1: the time speed is excellent. Of course, it's rare for
Speaker 1: what he has. I thought there would be a little
Speaker 1: bit more range to him. And there was time in
Speaker 1: the app State game where they drove. He drove on
Speaker 1: the ball and from Jeff was right about that. Um
Speaker 1: they used him as a blitzer. But he got home.
Speaker 1: He had a free run and he missed the guy.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest questions about him is going to
Speaker 1: beat the tacklings. He wants to hit you hard. He was,
Speaker 1: but he but he misses the just reckless. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got a clean shot on the quarterback and he
Speaker 1: just overruns the guy. And so I mean it's almost
Speaker 1: a kind of a dragged down tackler. But I think
Speaker 1: that to me, and I didn't see him create any turnover.
Speaker 1: Sometimes these safeties you see them, they're in the right spot. Mean,
Speaker 1: we were talking about our kid from Iowa the other day.
Speaker 1: You know Belton that you know the ball's there and
Speaker 1: he's boom, he'sain this kid. I didn't see any of
Speaker 1: the type of stuff. So again I had Belton above
Speaker 1: him on my board right now. Yeah, I've got him
Speaker 1: in the lower half of that safety class. Belton. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching Percy Butler. I'm with Jeff in the
Speaker 1: regard of when I was watching him, you see some
Speaker 1: of the ability to be a center field guy in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But like you said, the tackling ability is there,
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily something that jumps off the page.
Speaker 1: You expect him to be better than he was. He
Speaker 1: racked up the tackles in twenty twenty one, which is
Speaker 1: impressive because he had the volume there. They went his
Speaker 1: direction quite a bit. But as a guy who moved
Speaker 1: to safety and has has played well at the collegiate
Speaker 1: level after being a wide receiver, I still look at
Speaker 1: him as a late day or excuse me, fifth round,
Speaker 1: sixth round guy that could be a developmental guy because
Speaker 1: of the speed and the traits that he brings to
Speaker 1: the table too. That'll wrap up another segment of tell
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Speaker 1: Guys next week, two more shows until it's Draft week.
Speaker 1: Oh so, ten more guys you're gonna tell me to watch? Yes,
Speaker 1: sorry that I want you to have a longer list
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Speaker 1: plenty more stuff to talk about Jeff will never ever
Speaker 1: let me close the show cleanly. That's fine. This has
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