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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You

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Speaker 1: a Charlotte? Today we have a really special episode. It

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Speaker 1: is a catching up with friends episode and we're talking

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Speaker 1: to the incredible Danny Futterman, who was in the episode Evolution,

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Speaker 1: which is season two, episode eleven. It's a fantastic episode

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Speaker 1: where he plays my would be boyfriend Stefan, who is

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Speaker 1: very in touch with his feminine side, shall we say so.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I want to say about Danny he.

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Speaker 1: Is so so brilliant as a person and an actor.

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Speaker 1: But also he went on after our show to be

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Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar for writing Capodi, which is an

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Speaker 1: incredible film if you haven't seen it, so so good.

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Speaker 1: And he's created shows and he's a showrunner and a

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Speaker 1: writer now. So this is a really fun conversation. Please

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Speaker 1: enjoy listening. Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm good. It's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: You good, It's so great to see you. And you

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Speaker 1: look just the same.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we looked just the same.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go with that.

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Speaker 3: We look great.

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Speaker 1: But okay, okay, fair enough to me, you look the

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Speaker 1: same because I literally just watched the episode, right, which

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Speaker 1: is so crazy.

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Speaker 3: I just watch it too, But I didn't have the

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Speaker 3: separate thought. I was like, I'm I am so young,

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Speaker 3: like who we really are? Child?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I think I was equally equally young looking,

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Speaker 1: right like. But also it is kind of like to me,

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Speaker 1: have that very weird dichotomy like I look so young,

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Speaker 1: but I remember it like it was yesterday in a way.

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I remember a lot of it. I

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Speaker 3: remember all of it.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't remember all of what's on camera, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you have kind of like a like a filter

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Speaker 1: like as an actor or whatever. Right, right, Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, let me back up. It was I know

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Speaker 1: you're working. That's the other thing I want to talk about.

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Speaker 3: I am working, you know, as a writer, like trying

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Speaker 3: to get stuff going. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so impressed.

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Speaker 3: That makes you know, well, thanks, Sometimes I am. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'm just disappointed.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's our business, isn't it, right, Like

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Speaker 1: it's always going to be one with the other.

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Speaker 2: There's never just glory, right, That's right?

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Speaker 3: And look, I should say at the top of this,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I don't know how you feel about the

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Speaker 3: fact that you guys aren't continuing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, very upset. I'm very upset.

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Speaker 1: I'm very upset and confused. And thank you for saying

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Speaker 1: you're sorry, because you know, we've all been through so

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Speaker 1: many different things right in our careers, and you've been

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Speaker 1: nominated for an oscar, like since you were on Sex

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Speaker 1: I remember at the time that I thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you get to rewind a second. They

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Speaker 3: meant audition for this, ah, so I love and I

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Speaker 2: Shame on them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you did it, thank God, thank god.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, auditioning, I think is always semi much

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Speaker 1: And whenever I talk to people and they tell me

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Speaker 2: There was Law and Order and there was us, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it was like, you know, it was one

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Speaker 3: and I never order like I cried, I got angry.

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Speaker 3: I you know, my child was kidnapped, like whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was a stalker. I like whatever

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Speaker 3: One one New York actor who's never been on that show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm me neither me neither, but I'm

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Speaker 3: But we're bus there.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was, in fact busy. Yes, it's true.

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Speaker 1: So when you went out to see our guys, did

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Speaker 3: No? I went out and it was basically like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: everybody's very nice. It was what the What I remember

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Speaker 1: Well those are all the people that we collectively were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, but it was it was, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was like a semi humiliating audition where they're basically like,

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Speaker 2: No, wow, wow, yes, you certainly did. You certainly did.

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing, I love so many things about

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Speaker 1: Totally?

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Speaker 1: always true. And at the end, I love the voice over.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll refresh our viewer's memory or our listeners,

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Speaker 1: whichever we want to call them. Danny is in Evolution,

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Speaker 1: I'd had these other sex scenes where it's kind of

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Speaker 1: But I do love the final voiceover, which I had

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Speaker 3: like a lot of it was. I've been in Angels

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Speaker 3: And I think that the last thing was I am

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Speaker 3: And it was like, let's just say I had some

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Speaker 1: This is so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like the first place where you know,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't realize that you played that

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Speaker 1: so it was probably like like the best part of the.

440
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, in May or June something, act that and that

441
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: previous uh September October, I had shot. I was a

442
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: guest on homicide and that was what Anya was writing for.

443
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot this.

444
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: That's when that's when I met her, and I remember

445
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: and I had been I had been engaged to somebody,

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: but I think we were both pretty on happy. It

447
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: just wasn't been together like four and a half years,

448
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: and kind of like what are we doing? What are

449
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: we doing? And got engaged? Not the right decision.

450
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't remember that.

451
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, lesson for all the younger people listening to this

452
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: in four and a half years and you still don't know.

453
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not you shouldn't be doing this right.

454
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: Good advice, good advice.

455
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 3: I had read the script that on your had written,

456
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: and then I remember very very clearly walking out of

457
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: my little cubby trail, you know, like you get your guest,

458
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: you get its tiny little ques yes, and walking out

459
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: and being total that's the writer, and thinking that's the

460
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 3: person I should be engaged to. Ah, wow, a little unfair.

461
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: She's beautiful, but also she had written it was like

462
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: a little unfair. It wasn't just like I had read

463
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: something that she had written that was meaningful to her,

464
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: so I knew something about her. But I really did

465
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: have that.

466
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: Thought, that's amazing, that's amazing.

467
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: We have an episode a couple times ago about love

468
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: first sight, and I say, yes, I have experienced on it.

469
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: First I it did not work out for me, which

470
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: is the sad part. But I have experienced it and

471
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: it was a great experience. But I love to hear

472
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: that you experienced it and it worked out. And can

473
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I add that I lent my house to you guys.

474
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm invested, like I'm part of it.

475
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: Are you still in that same house or no?

476
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: No, no, I saw that house.

477
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 3: Okay, So you did an incredibly kind thing for me

478
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 3: because I was I was going out to La I

479
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: did not live there, and I was going to be

480
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: on a regular on a show judging Amy with Amy.

481
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot that that was the show.

482
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing.

483
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: And you really kindly said, do you I'm not going

484
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: to be there in the spring, do you want to

485
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: stay there because you're probably shooting the.

486
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: New season exactly?

487
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said that's really great. Yes, I would

488
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: love to you. And it was gorgeous, such a gorgeous house,

489
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: and like thank you. And then it was like I

490
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: didn't even tell you. Oh, by the way, Anya is

491
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: going to be.

492
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: Staying with me, Well, you don't have to tell me.

493
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: Can I say who you were dating at the time.

494
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: Who is it?

495
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: Whisper No, I'm not gonna whisper it. I'll just he's okay.

496
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: I actually just saw him the homicide reunion, which I.

497
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: Went, okay, then you can talk about it.

498
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: Yes, if he's okay, then please talk about it.

499
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: He's great, I said to him. I think that was

500
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: the last time I saw him. I think it might

501
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: have been the last one for you. Oh my god,

502
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: you remember what happened. You walked in the house with him,

503
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: and you had left me a message saying him and

504
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: be home this weekend. And Annie and I were like,

505
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 3: we I think we were in bed. We were not

506
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: like having sex in bed, but I think we were

507
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: in bed.

508
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember this, Oh my god.

509
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: And you were like, oh, oh, you were so you

510
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: were so nice, though I can't imagine what was going

511
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: on inside. You're like, oh no, no, no, it's okay,

512
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 3: it's okay, don't worry about it. I had not even

513
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: think I had a cell phone at the time, so

514
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: I didn't missage my messages.

515
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Oh I love it.

516
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: You were so nice, and you were like, we're gonna

517
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: go stay in hotel. It's totally fine, totally fine, and

518
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: you left with read Diamond read Diamond two.

519
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: Who it was I did?

520
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: I did date read Diamond.

521
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: I do not remember walking in the house and you

522
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: not knowing that I was coming. I remember that I

523
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: said to you go stay in my house because also

524
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I had.

525
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: Like for me.

526
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, the success of the show obviously unexpected. You

527
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: never think these things are going to succeed, you know

528
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: how it is, And so I had bought this house.

529
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: I feel like after the pilot, before the show, and

530
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: I remember going to the show and Sara Jusca saying like,

531
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: are you crazy?

532
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's going great. Why should I

533
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: buy this house?

534
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: Like weirdly, you know, Pollyanna right, But it was a

535
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: really special like I called it my treehouse.

536
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: It was like up in the canyon andazing right, thank you,

537
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: thank you so much. I loved it. Not everyone loved it.

538
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: I had a terrible time selling it, but I.

539
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Did sell it eventually because I need a bigger house

540
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: for the kids. Because it was kind of a treehouse.

541
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily like a huge house. It was just special,

542
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: I thought.

543
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: And being enough to family in case, just if you're

544
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: not worried about them falling off of the.

545
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Baloty one percent. It was not the safest house for

546
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: little children. I did have my one child there, and

547
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I just policed her, you know, like super But then

548
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: I guess we got a bit more of a flat, flatterhouse,

549
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: not so far up. But I had guilt about that house, right,

550
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: Like it was so weird to own a house. I

551
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: had never owned a house, so I was always feeling like, oh,

552
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: does someone need a house, Like, please stay in my

553
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: house if I liked you, obviously, do you know what

554
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean? And for you guys, I didn't. I wouldn't.

555
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't have to tell me anything about

556
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: what you were doing, as long as you weren't like,

557
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, having the police called or whatever I'm saying.

558
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking that Aunia was so cool, Like

559
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, thank god, he's with an awesome

560
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: woman since he's not with me, and I guess.

561
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: I was with the ready.

562
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: I felt like I pulled such a dick move and

563
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: was like.

564
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: Sure, oh, oh my god, you're a grown up. You're

565
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: a grown up. No. I just remember, like, for me,

566
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: it made me so happy that you were staying there,

567
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: right because I had my little secret crush on you.

568
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: Apparently I was Danny Reids, so I really shouldn't.

569
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Have been having a crush on you.

570
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: I can never remember things linearly, you know what I'm saying.

571
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And if there are a lot of them,

572
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: then you.

573
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Know, it's very very difficult, a lot of a lot

574
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: of boyfriends. I don't know, there aren't that.

575
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: Many boyfriends because the schedule was such that it was

576
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: really pretty much impossible to survive, which I don't know

577
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: if Reid mentioned was like basically the problem with what

578
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: happened there. I mean, I'm sure other problems. He's happily

579
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: married now, thank god, good for him. But you know,

580
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: we were dating into the third season and the third season, yeah,

581
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: young in there for a while. And the third season,

582
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: I remember the first week that we went back to

583
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: work was one hundred hour week. Oh god, yeah, and

584
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: here I'm dating at the time, an unemployed actor. I mean,

585
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: what hell must he have been in you know?

586
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? And you know when you and both I can

587
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: never see you and stop complaining you're working, Yes, exactly,

588
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: because homicide had just got gotten canceled stupidly. Yep, that's

589
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: why Annie was able to come out.

590
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, And it's so sad. That was like

591
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: an incredible show, an incredible show in all the ways.

592
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I had forgotten all of that. Oh my god, I

593
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: love it. And so they just had a homicide reunion.

594
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: It was like a thirtieth reunion of when it started.

595
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Maybe wow yeah, wow, wow wow wow love it homicide

596
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Life on the Street.

597
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: You guys look it up.

598
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a it's an It was a really groundbreaking show.

599
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it was really like an HBO show, but

600
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: it was on NBC.

601
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely true, absolutely true.

602
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: And and that cat, I mean, it was. It was incredible. Yeah.

603
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: Tom Fontana just had who is a creator of it,

604
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: you know, just has kind of a mass, this enormous family.

605
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: He and Barry Levinson and and so I was I'm

606
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: a part of it because of Anya I had, you know,

607
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: I was in a you know, one episode. So yeah,

608
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: and that's where I saw read there and it was

609
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: really nice to see him connect. And I apologized to

610
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: him and he said, no, I don't care, as I

611
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: never would have been able to stay in the herbitage

612
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: if I if I was.

613
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't remember, I can't remember any of this.

614
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny. It's funny because like when I'm rewatching,

615
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: because I had never seen the episodes before, I've been

616
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: rewatching for the podcast, and I have such vivid memories

617
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: of some of it and then some of it, like

618
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. I knew intellectually that there was something

619
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: that went wrong with our relationship on screen, right, But

620
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: mostly what I remember is that we were so excited

621
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: to get you, and I remember talking to Cynthia about you,

622
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: and then I remember this sex scene because I had

623
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: so many fears and then ended up really enjoying it

624
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: because you, of course are a respectful and lovely co

625
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: star and were very much you know, in it with

626
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: me in a way where it was like easy, you

627
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

628
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't hard.

629
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: It was really comfortable. I mean, and I I really credited.

630
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: I had no idea that you had spoken through talked

631
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: through it with Pam, which is great. I say, Pam

632
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: as if I know her. I just she directed that.

633
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: I thought she was terrific me too, and she made

634
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: it really comfortable. It was kind of quick. Yeah, even

635
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: though I.

636
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: Don't really I didn't remember all I remember all the positions.

637
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: I just was like, oh, one memory of it, and

638
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: then I was like, oh my god, they might we

639
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 5: must have filmed for a while. I know it was

640
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: a lot, remember that, but I feel like she was like, here,

641
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: sit up, I'm gonna and she got like one shot

642
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 5: and said, okay, do this.

643
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: It was really quick and she hadn't planned out.

645
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you seemed really comfortable, which makes which made

646
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: me feel comfortable because it's you know I I have

647
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: as a guy, you're supposed to feel comfortable, you know,

648
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: that's sort of what you're but you seem totally fine.

649
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: So that means I'm so glad.

650
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I think that's because it was you, because she did

651
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: really include me, and because I did love the story,

652
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: like it was a very different type of story for

653
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Charlotte than compared to what she had been having. And

654
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: I credit Cindy and the writing you know, with that

655
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: as well, and then casting you. It was like one

656
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: of my most because in my mind, first season, second

657
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: season we're kind of a wash in a weird way

658
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: in terms of like storylines, because I think we were

659
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: just trying to find ourselves in a lot of ways.

660
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: When I look back now that I'm rewatching, a lot

661
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: of the episodes are so incredibly good, so much better

662
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: than what I remembered. But in my mind, this one

663
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: was up at the tippy top in terms of enjoyment factor,

664
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: in terms of like a beginning, middle, and an end

665
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: of a storyline for Charlotte, which kind of took a

666
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: while for those to get going.

667
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you do. I mean, I look, I'm biased,

668
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 3: but I think you had a great story You had

669
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: a great storyline. But all the storylines work, right, exactly. Yeah.

670
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: It's not always the case in every show, right, So

671
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: it's hard, but I think all of them worked in

672
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: this one. Yeah. Then, because I'm lazy, I'm like, I

673
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: watched it and then you know, it's like ten nine

674
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: eight and the next one's going to start, and I'm like,

675
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't feel like reaching for the remote. Let's watch it.

676
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: And the next one is good too, And it was

677
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: interesting to see Sarah Jessica Parker do something totally different

678
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: that which was she got and it reminds you like, oh,

679
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: she's a really good actor because a lot of it's

680
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: kind of light in the you know, but she was

681
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: really pissed at mister Big for you know, and she

682
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: gets really angry.

683
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah I remember this.

684
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah it's good, And so that was it was kind

685
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: of nice to see here. I'm curious about this actually,

686
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: sure one the one thing, not the one thing, but

687
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: among the things I thought watching it was, Uh, there's,

688
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: for instance, the sea. We're walking down the street. I

689
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: think it's the first time you meet my character, right,

690
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: we're walking exactly, yes, yeah, and the han cab right,

691
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: hail the cab.

692
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, right, I know what you're gonna say.

693
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: And it's there's a lot of silence, there's like and

694
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: the lines weren't written. And I'm curious if later on.

695
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought I'm not going to add I

696
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: just I can imagine what I was thinking. I'm not

697
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: going to add lib. This is a funny script. I'm

698
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: not going to stay up like you know, there's all

699
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: a lot of it's one take because.

700
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: It's just us, which I love so much.

701
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to fix out. So yeah, I'm not

702
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: going to add lib because maybe they might not want it.

703
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: Or and but it's a lot it's there's a lot

704
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: of gaping holes in it, even though it's edited to

705
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: fit together, right, you guys add lib later on?

706
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: Or that just was we were not allowed to add

707
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: lib because one time they let us and then they

708
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: just lost control.

709
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet no.

710
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: And you know how tightly Michael Patrick writes, right, like,

711
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: his comedy is very like the rhythm is really kind

712
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: of fast, and it's very tight, right at least the

713
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: first show. And I think what happened when I watched it.

714
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: I was also confused in that scene. First of all,

715
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: I just love a Wonner. I'm like, oh my god,

716
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: the days of a Wonner. Oh God, I love it

717
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: so much. And we just kind of lost that somewhere

718
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: along the way. And I think some of it was

719
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: because we couldn't afford other things back then, right, But

720
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: also just as an actor, the joy of walking down

721
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: to New York City Street in a Wuner it's just

722
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: h so special. So I also, like, you know, when

723
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: I go to hail the cabin, I'm supposedly showing my

724
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: leg which I absolutely do not do. I'm like, Okay,

725
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: that's really funny and weird. I hate my legs, which

726
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm sure you know. Pat also was

727
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: not always a fan of my legs. Oh no, for real,

728
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: for real, don't even get me started. But yeah, yeah,

729
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: not so much. So I thought about that watching it.

730
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: Because also there's a long silence there where you're like,

731
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: what's happening.

732
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like, yeah, there are two cars coming in, Like

733
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: I get, it's not part of the one shot anymore.

734
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: It's there's coverage there because the cars have to have

735
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: to come in, right.

736
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: But it's weird. It's weird, and this is what I

737
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: think it is.

738
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: Also.

739
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: First of all, I think it's the woner and trying

740
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: to cut together, right. But I also think because we

741
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: still had the voiceover, there would have to be weird

742
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: times and scenes where you weren't talking but you're still

743
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: acting because she's gonna connect it with the voiceover. But

744
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: what they did do, and I would have to ask

745
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Cindy specifically about this episode, they would sometimes change the

746
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: voiceover later Oh yeah, okay, so.

747
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: That could have been.

748
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: It could have been that there was supposed to be

749
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: more voiceover, but then they changed it once they saw

750
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: our performance.

751
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: That's interesting because there are kind of no lines after

752
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: I kiss you, right, and it's the total silence as

753
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: if I'm waiting for a reaction and you're getting there's

754
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: no conversation, you get no, right.

755
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: It's odd, But it's also I thought it was so

756
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: great because I couldn't remember either. I was like, oh

757
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: my god, what's happening.

758
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: What's happening?

759
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: But also you kissed me so well, you know, like

760
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: it's so good.

761
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: But it doesn't. It's sort of the end of it.

762
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: And then it's like okay, silence definitely, and I don't

763
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: say buyer anything. But then they cut to me and

764
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I touched my glasses, which I'm pretty sure Pam told

765
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: me to do because it doesn't even look like I

766
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: really want to touch my glasses. It looks like I

767
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: just want to stare at you. But I touched my

768
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: glasses because someone told me to. But I think it

769
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: was also I would say budget stuff, right, because like

770
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: I think that Pam had this very visual plan. She

771
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: had storyboards, I remember, and like none of our directors

772
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 1: had storyboards. Like that was a shock, like.

773
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: What, oh my god, got it? No, it's a really

774
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: it's a well shot show.

775
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Right, And I think for her she was trying to

776
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: get her visual plan in order and yet afford it, right, yeah,

777
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: which is always a struggle, as you know. Is there

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: anything else that you remember about the time, and like,

779
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: what did people say to you after the show?

780
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: Oh? I remember my friend Craig thought I had totally

781
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: stolen his personality and that I.

782
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: Was playing That's funny.

783
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: It was like a Craig. I have a lot of

784
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: gay friends. But but no, I just I mean, I'm

785
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: not I'm just playing. I'm just playing the part. But

786
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: he to this day feels like I was. And this

787
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: is a this is a sort of I get recognized

788
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: from this part, so.

789
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: You do look the same. See.

790
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: I love that it does become more and more of

791
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: a compliment if I if I get recognized, nice because

792
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: I don't act anymore. You know, so I.

793
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: Don't, So you don't act at all.

794
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean I would act in something maybe if it

795
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: came up, but I wouldn't go to Queen's on audition

796
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: for it.

797
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: Got it?

798
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that I feel totally. I'm

799
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: not sure if I would feel totally comfortable. Would I would? See?

800
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I would. I haven't done it a while.

801
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: So you're just writing and like show running and or

802
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: producing and or directing, not directing, not directing. Okay, so

803
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: you're producing, creating, writing, Yeah, sometimes on.

804
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes on my own. I'm doing something now

805
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: with another friend of mine. So yeah, So if I

806
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: get recognized. It's from a while ago, and I definitely

807
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: take it as a compliment now, yeah, right, because twenty

808
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: five years ago or more.

809
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

810
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

811
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And then I try to you know, there are

812
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: times when because it's not it doesn't happen very often

813
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: because it is so long ago. But there are a

814
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: few things that I might get recognized from, and if

815
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: I do, I try to guess what it is. I'm

816
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: like in.

817
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: My yeah, what it is, Yeah, the bird ca.

818
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that and that's because that's continued in a

819
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: way that this has too. That's like that is still

820
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 3: something that I thought that would not have aged well. Yeah,

821
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: if I could have predicted fifteen years ago, Yeah, would

822
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: this you know, given sort of changing cultural environment, would

823
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: that have aged poorly? I would think yes, but not at.

824
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: All interesting all love it.

825
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: And in same with the first sex in the city.

826
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that has aged very.

827
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: Well, better than one would have thought.

828
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: When I got asked, my agent just sent me an email,

829
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: do you They asked, if you want to do this,

830
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: do you want to do it? And I was at first,

831
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: I was like a little nervous about us. I don't know,

832
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: I do this, I'm not sure. And I mentioned it

833
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: my daughters who are or twenty five and nineteen twenty four.

834
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: I got wow.

835
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: I said they happened to be around and I was like,

836
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: should I should I do this? And they were absolutely

837
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: have to do this because they are fans of the show.

838
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: Its you know, it really amazing in a way that

839
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: you would think, you know, these things would not.

840
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know, it's incredible and we feel

841
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: so like just incredibly grateful and lucky. You know.

842
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: It's just luck really that we.

843
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: Happen to be there at the right time and get

844
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: the chance to do what we wanted to do, you know,

845
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: and that it connected because you never know if anything

846
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: is going to connect.

847
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: It's true, and that you continued to have these great

848
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: writers that stayed, that stayed with.

849
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, that's a hard thing in our business.

850
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: Yes, it is. People leave other things and and what

851
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: I guess, I'm not sure how how long Cindy Shoeback

852
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: stuck Am was she Therefore I.

853
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Think she stayed till the end. Yeah, I mean some

854
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Cindy and Jenny got big deals to go off and

855
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: do their own thing. But I feel and I'd have

856
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: to double check if shoes there to the bitter end,

857
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But like Duff, only the

858
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: final season she was there. Yeah, and then they went

859
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: off and did their own things. But I mean we

860
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: still see them, which is just such a joy.

861
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, that's really mean. It's helped really helps

862
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: the show stay together. And then you know, all you

863
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: guys wanted to continue to do it. I'm sure there

864
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: was a there were conversations at some point, should we

865
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: keep doing it? Should we not? They probably had some

866
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: of you for what five years or something, and then

867
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: you I mean they had me for seven.

868
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't ever like to talk about anyone else.

869
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I had like a standard like standard pilot deal, right,

870
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: and I would have kept going. But because Sarah and

871
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Sin had both had babies towards the towards right before

872
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: the final season. I think Sarah, Jessica especially Cynthia is

873
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: so like, oh yeah, I have a baby, It's fine.

874
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, She's very like, I can't do anything. But

875
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: I think Sarah, because it was her first, really felt,

876
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, the need to be there, and you know

877
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: the struggle of like am I a good enough mom?

878
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: If I'm at work? It's a hard thing obviously to navigate,

879
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: and so she I think think also very similar to

880
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: now and just like that, Michael and Sarah are very

881
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: much a partnership.

882
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 2: You know, they work very well together, very closely together.

883
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: They respect each other creatively, and at the time, I

884
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: feel like both of them felt when the first show

885
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: ended Sex and the City, so that would have been

886
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, they felt like, it's so hard

887
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: to make a weekly show and keep it good, you know,

888
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: and the rest of us were like, what I don't end,

889
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I just remember, just just absolute panic.

890
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: But I do think, I mean, you've made shows yourselves

891
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: like it's grueling for the writers.

892
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 3: It can be. I've only written well shorter shows guys

893
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: were doing. I didn't realize the second season was eighteen episodes.

894
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: I know, I think the third season might be twenty

895
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: one or something. It was a lot.

896
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: I've never done something like that. It was more like ten.

897
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: Right, Well that's how it is now nowadays, you know,

898
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: ten is like normal or whatever.

899
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: Right, it's very very different.

900
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: So you plan in advance, you write in advance.

901
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: Most of it's written in advance. Well, at least the

902
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: things that I've done tend to have been so because

903
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: that ends up being less expensive, you know, because you

904
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: can plan it all out and what are you shooting together?

905
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: You know all this. But but it's yeah, I mean,

906
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: you just got you guys hit something. I guess it's lucky.

907
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: I guess it's just you know, you guys are all

908
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: so talented, and you worked well together, and you had

909
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: great writing, and you got a you know, a bunch

910
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 3: of great directors that kept coming back, right.

911
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so important, Yeah, so important.

912
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: I assume your crew hung around because.

913
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what.

914
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: Also, I'm so silly, like I don't know lately, I

915
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: think because I didn't realize that we were going to

916
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: end and just like that, so I'm still processing and

917
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: like so Pollyanna that I thought we would just keep going.

918
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: But like when we came back, I thought we would

919
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: have the same crew. We couldn't get the same crew

920
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: because they had all moved on bigger things, retired or retired.

921
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely correct.

922
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: I mean we did get.

923
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Some like we got our set people back. But like Jeremy,

924
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: who had been our I guess he was like our

925
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: overall designer of everything. He went on to do the Olympics.

926
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying like insane things. And then our I

927
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: saw some behind the scenes pictures the other day and

928
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: our focus pullar Joe Collins is now like a big

929
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: deal DP, you know, like huge end or director.

930
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Let he should be right.

931
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: So I'm thrilled for them. But I remember when we

932
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: got to it just like that.

933
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: I was like, people are.

934
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: All so young, Oh my gosh, but that's how it

935
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: should be, right, like new people coming up, and they

936
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: were incredible on their own. So but I remember just like, wait,

937
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: where where are the other people?

938
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean probably you're looking for that sense

939
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: of security.

940
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: Too, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

941
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: And in my mind it would because we were the same, right,

942
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: with some new additions obviously, but you know, we were together,

943
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: and so I just kind of in my mind assumed

944
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: that the larger picture would be the same.

945
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: But the world has changed.

946
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a different environment to go back

947
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: to work.

948
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: And that was when we went back to work.

949
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: It was just right after COVID, so it was really

950
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: you know early days, like the masks and all the stuff,

951
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Right.

952
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a bumner. How did you feel integrating

953
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: the new characters into.

954
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: I loved it.

955
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: I loved it so much because they are just incredible

956
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: people and incredible characters, and it made it exciting for us.

957
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess apparently that was part of what

958
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: people didn't like.

959
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even know why.

960
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out people because it's confusing.

961
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know.

962
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: Can I tell you my issue?

963
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: My issue?

964
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: I used to really try to protect myself from you know,

965
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: media and critics and whatever. But because the podcast, I'm

966
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: more kind of in it, you know what I'm trying

967
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: to say, Like, like I look at more stuff. My

968
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: phone knows that I'm always talking about sex and the city,

969
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: so it's all showing me stuff annoyingly. So it's just

970
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm more in the world of it all than I

971
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: used to be. I used to just feel like I

972
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: know what it is inside me.

973
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

974
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: I know what I wanted to do, I know what

975
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: we did, I know what we meant to do. And

976
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: I still do feel that, especially with and just like that,

977
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: like I know what we were making. I don't know

978
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: what people were necessarily seeing when they watched it, but

979
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: I think like that's how our business is.

980
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: Right.

981
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: People are projecting all kind of things of their own

982
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: and their own expectations and or desires and or disappointments

983
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. They have such strong feelings. And

984
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: so when I can be calm about it, I know

985
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: that that's a compliment, right.

986
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: It will for you guys, people that feel so personally

987
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: about you guys too. But but you have that I mean,

988
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: you know, in the various shows that I've done, you

989
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: get praise, that's great, you get slammed that sucks, but

990
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: you have no control over it. And it's not as

991
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: if you tried harder or less hard without a less

992
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: of yourself. And to the ones that just don't click, right,

993
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: it's it's just part of the territory. But it's it's uh,

994
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: it's painful.

995
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: It can be really painful. Yeah, And it's just been

996
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: My biggest thing is that it's been very confusing. I'm

997
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: still confused, and I do not like to be confused.

998
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: I like to understand things, right, So I am somewhat

999
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: trying to seek some understanding and I am getting some,

1000
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting some. Cynthia sent me something really

1001
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: helpful today. Cynthia is always there for me, trying to

1002
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, talk talk calmly and practically to me, which

1003
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: is a great thing because I'm I'm often kind of

1004
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: up in my you know, like fantasy world some somewhat.

1005
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: You're also so deeply in it doing this podcast too,

1006
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: so it's in you're and you're revisiting it with you know,

1007
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: me and somebody else next week, and and so that's hard.

1008
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: It's hard to escape. It is hard to everybody says, oh,

1009
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you guys aren't on anymore, you know.

1010
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's nice. That's nice because you're in it

1011
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: and you understand what it's like. I mean, it's better

1012
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: than people going like oh, Noord and upward. I'm like, no, no, no,

1013
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. People, Oh, this just happened, and

1014
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening, so give me a moment.

1015
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I do love looking back at

1016
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: it though, because I hadn't, like I said, I hadn't

1017
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: looked at it, and I'm just so it's kind of amazing.

1018
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm just like amazed by it because I mean people

1019
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: will talk to me obviously about it all the time,

1020
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: and like your daughter's like when it came on Netflix

1021
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: and the younger people started watching. I was like, this

1022
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: is amazing. That's why I wanted to do the podcast.

1023
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: And then the joy of the podcast is getting to

1024
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: talk to people like you and Cindy and also knew

1025
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: people who are fans of the show, Like it's fascinating.

1026
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: It's my kind of thing, right.

1027
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: Like to investigate and talk about and talk about our

1028
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: memories and also like how the world has changed or

1029
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: not changed.

1030
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: So I do love that part.

1031
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes hard to incorporate all everybody's thoughts and feelings.

1032
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worse.

1033
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: And making the transition from just celebrating it is an

1034
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: incredible weird continuing to Ugh, you're like your mourning in

1035
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: a little bit right now.

1036
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: Wahre celebrating for sure, Danny.

1037
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, it was like suddenly walking into

1038
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: your own funeral when you didn't know it was coming.

1039
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like we died. At a certain point.

1040
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: I had to be like, okay, I got to stop.

1041
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I got to put my phone down. My phone is

1042
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: currently ruined for me. I cannot look at Instagram.

1043
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: I cannot see any more pictures of our.

1044
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Young selves and the odes, you know, they're lovely odes

1045
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: to the death of our characters, but they didn't die.

1046
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: And I'm here and I'm fine, I'm good, you know

1047
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1048
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but sad, that's okay.

1049
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: It is sad. I'm not dead. This is you know

1050
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: where I'm at right now.

1051
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: And you know what the joy is. Sarah and something

1052
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: and I had dinner I think last week in New York,

1053
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: and you know, all the time, you know, ever since

1054
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: we started nineteen ninety seven or whatever it was us

1055
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: we sometimes were working and sometimes we weren't, but we're

1056
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: always in each other's lives. Yeah, so that's I need

1057
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: to just like, no one's leaving my life. You know,

1058
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: that's our on screen life. That's not our real life, right,

1059
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: that's important. But yeah, I mean I am as you know,

1060
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: anytime a job ends, you're kind of warning it in

1061
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: a way, right, But this is like our kind of

1062
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: our lifelong job.

1063
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: And in reality, it's.

1064
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Hard to really believe that it will end because again,

1065
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to see them all and we're all going

1066
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: to do stuff, I'm sure or whatever.

1067
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: And you and play the roles.

1068
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean that hasn't happened yet, but I

1069
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: really look forward to it.

1070
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: You know, and yes, and I think I mean, I

1071
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: was curious to ask you this.

1072
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: Tell me.

1073
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's an incredible blessing to have this and have

1074
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: it last for so long. I also would imagine that

1075
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: you and others have felt like, oh, there were opportunities

1076
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: you you didn't get to do because people associated you

1077
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 3: quite closely with these roles.

1078
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: I mean for sure.

1079
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't even know what they are,

1080
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't even think they

1081
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: come to you, right, like, like they just you're kind

1082
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: of like your energy in the business is kind of

1083
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 1: sucked up by this, you know what I mean. Right,

1084
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: but you know what it's like, what are you going

1085
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: to do about that? There's really nothing to do.

1086
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do about it. But I think,

1087
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: right the what I'm saying is that maybe you'll be

1088
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: sprung from that a little bit.

1089
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let's hope so, because God knows, we have

1090
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: a very big profile. Yeah, let's put that to use

1091
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: for something else, you know what I mean, because no

1092
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: one can stop talking about us, which is interesting, very interesting.

1093
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but you got a lot of You've got

1094
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: a lot of years of acting.

1095
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: I hope, so because I love it, yes, you know,

1096
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Speaker 2: so you know, just.

1097
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: It brings new opportunities as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm I'm slightly getting there, you know,

1099
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Speaker 1: like like I think. Also because we started working on

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Speaker 1: and just like that right after COVID, right, so we'd

1101
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Speaker 1: been like a year plus of like no one being

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Speaker 1: able to do anything, which made it even more exciting

1103
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Speaker 1: to get to go back to these much loved characters

1104
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: that we get to do together. Right, But it is

1105
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Speaker 1: hard to remember back before when like you'd get this job,

1106
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: you'd get that job, you know what I mean, like

1107
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: that kind of it's almost like a journeyman thinking, you know,

1108
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Speaker 1: like I look forward to that.

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm ready for that. We'll see.

1110
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you send you things to develop and

1111
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm like I will try to develop things.

1112
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Speaker 2: But we all know that's very hard. Yes it is, Yes,

1113
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: it is very hard.

1114
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: As you know, but yeah, it's all our business is crazy,

1115
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: as you know, and we're just lucky to still be

1116
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: in it. Yep, Danny, you're incredible.

1117
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Speaker 3: You're incredible yourself.

1118
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you could come on. Thank you

1119
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: for the actor Pep dog I needed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you deserve it. You deserve everything good that's

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00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: coming to you.

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Speaker 1: In the future.

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Speaker 2: Danny, you too.

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Speaker 1: Tell Anya Hi, I will, and tell your daughters thank

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Speaker 1: you because I really really wanted you to come on.

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Speaker 2: Made me very happy. Thank you. Nice to see you

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00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: over Zoom.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you too,