WEBVTT - 11/09/21 DPS Best Of 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.400 Sports Radio. Albert Brier's senior NFL reporter for the Monday 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.040 Morning Quarterback, joining us on the program. All Right, your 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.120 unbiased perch last night watching this game with the taunting call, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.720 What did you make of that, Albert? I mean, I 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.360 think it's ridiculous the way they're calling these. You know, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.640 I could Cassius Marsh have done a little bit more 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.120 to prevent that situation for himself. I mean the flying 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.880 leg kick and then just sort of stare down on 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.640 the other sideline. I mean, you know, like I think 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.480 if you're you know, Matt Naggie today, you're probably telling 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.680 your players and a teaching point, Like I don't agree 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.680 with the rule, but like if they're calling this, just 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.959 you know, if you're going to celebrate, don't make eye 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.479 contact with anything the opponent, you know what I mean? Like, 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.319 so you know, I do. I think Cassius Marsh did 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.320 everything he could to avoid it. No, but like you 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.319 add it to kind of the the hip chat there, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.880 which I'm sure you've seen that and everything else. It 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.080 just like it just feels like this is not being 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.119 consistently enforced across the league. And it feels like and 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.640 I go, look, going into the season, Dan, I really 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.240 thought like this is going to take them two three, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.680 four weeks to work it out and to figure out 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.160 where that line is. And here we are and it's 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.399 week nine, and it still feels like people don't have 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.319 a full understanding of what's going to get called and 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.640 what isn't going to get called. Okay, but it felt 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.600 like Tony Creenti, the official, Yeah, initiated some contact here 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.920 with no it did. And plus he doesn't throw the 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.600 flag where there is an obvious taunt, but then he 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.160 throws it like right after they you know, nudge into 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.760 one another, like now it's retaliation. Yes, it felt like 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.480 he missed the taunting penalty and then almost waited and 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.320 then through the flag after you know, they made contact 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.040 with one another. Yeah, And if you're the league, the 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.120 last thing you can do is have the have the 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.280 idea out there that your officials are engaging in anything 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.560 that becomes in any way personal at all with any 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.560 player coach, right Like they're they're supposed to be the 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.440 ones that are out there that are not emotional, that 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.600 are looking at the game from a down the middle perspective. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.800 And aren't letting anything anybody says get to them, And yeah, 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.880 I mean it. I don't know if there was some 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.680 sort of altercation between Marsh and the official and Tony 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.239 earlier in the game, or if like just Tony got 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.480 his back up about like the flying leg kick and 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.480 stare down, but like it did feel like there was 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.720 something personal there because it absolutely looked intentional. And um, look, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.720 the league's had a lot of problems with officiating in 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.959 the last couple of years, you know, and I think 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.360 that there's a little bit more to al riveron, you know, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.720 winding up out than than met the eye. And um, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.040 it just it feels to me like this is something 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.000 they can't just let it go, you know. When the 0:02:55.320 --> 0:03:00.560 NFL respond today, like they don't always respond right away, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.160 but they might get it out there. The way the 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.359 NFL would respond in a situation like this normally, if 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.959 it were a player, right is they would say we're 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.120 looking into it, right like, so they would at least 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.480 get it out there and let the public know this 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.080 is something we're not like just brushing over, We're looking 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.320 into it. And then usually with the players, the way 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:19.760 it works is that by the end of the week, 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.120 they've sent the FedEx out to the guy, and that 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.440 at that point the news gets out of whatever happened 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.000 to the player or coach, whoever was involved in it. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.440 And so like you would think that it would probably 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.919 be the same process here where the NFL gets something 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.880 out on Tony CURRENTI say, we're looking into this and 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.960 we're talking to him about this, and then if there 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.440 was going to be any sort of sanctions, I think 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.200 they'd probably be later in the week after they talk 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.800 to everybody. What happens to Mac Jones after the shoe 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:52.280 string tackle leg twists? Yeah, So like yeah, I mean, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.960 you know what's funny is like he comes off as 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.800 like he almost comes off as like Opie and his 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.200 press conferences, you know, I mean, like you you hear 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:03.000 him talk public and he just seems like, you're, like, 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:04.720 I don't know any better way to put it there, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.800 Like he kind of like sounds like he's stone when 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.120 he talks, you know what I mean. And so he 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.440 seems very kind of like passive, but you hear all 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.280 these legendary stories about how competitive he is, right like, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.039 and you know, I remember talking to some scouts in 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.680 the spring about how you know, the Alabama people would 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.400 tell him he would get into it with Nick Saban 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.560 when he was running the scout team and like yell, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.040 like trash talk Nick Saban about the way his defense 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.200 was playing against Mac, who was too his backup at 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.039 the time. And so I think that this is probably 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.680 like a combination of Mac not knowing exactly what had 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.520 happened because he had just gotten hit there, and probably 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.720 being a little bit overly competitive in the moment. That said, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.800 the fact that the defensive player was injured on this play, right, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.000 and the fact that he suffered an ankle injury. I 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.920 think the NFL has to look at this and say, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.800 if the roles were reversed and a quarterback got hurt 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.400 in a play like this, what would happen? Right. That's 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.920 why I think they've got a problem on their hands, 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.599 And that's why I think they probably have to find 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.039 Mac Jones, because that would be a legal play. That 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.640 would be a legal play if Brian Burns had the 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.080 ball in his hands, but he didn't, and the twist 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.440 at the end, I think he should certainly say Mac 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.279 had enough time there while he was on the ground 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.960 to figure out seeing people running past him that Brian 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.920 Burns probably didn't have the ball Odell Beckham Junior. Does 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.640 he find out where he's going today. I don't think 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.600 he gets claimed today, and I could be wrong about that, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.560 but you know, for another team to claim him at 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.040 this point, it's seven point two five million dollars. They 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.000 have a settlement agreement with the Browns where he'll you know, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.920 like he gets termination pan. I don't get in the 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.719 weeds in it, but he gives three million back to 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.000 the Browns. If you know, if he winds up clearing waivers, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.960 I think he probably will not get claimed. I mean, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.360 there are a couple of teams in there that are 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.320 on that list that have enough money to claim him 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.479 that are sort of interesting to me. The one that 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.040 you really look at a Seattle just because Pete Carroll's 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.560 already addressed it publicly. You know, they've tried to show 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.280 Russell Wilson like, we're all in for you to to 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.800 make it happen with you right now. And I think 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.800 the Seahawks have to reckon with the possibility too that 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.479 this might be it for them with Russell Wilson right like, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.440 And so if this is it for them with Russell Wilson, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.400 what's the harm in going and you know, burning the 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.120 cap space that you have on a player that's gonna 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.520 be his best and so you know, then you kind 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.720 of create a situation where it's like, okay, like we're 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.479 making one great run with Russell Wilson here, and maybe 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.040 there's a long term benefit where you wind up making 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.080 a real run. You know, he's convinced that he wants 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.479 to stay there longer than just the rest of this year. Okay, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.400 explain this to me that O'Dell Beckham Junior is not 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.839 good for the Browns, but Odell Beckham Junior is good 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.400 for Seattle. I think it has everything to do with 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.919 the power of the quarterback. Okay, And I know the 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.679 Browns firmly believe this. I believe it too. Baker Mayfield 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.800 got better last year after Odell went down and Baker 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.960 Mayfield playing really well on Sunday against the Bengals. They 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.040 don't view that as a as as a as an 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.040 accident either. Like Baker Mayfield's at his best when he 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.920 can go out there and play point guard, right, and 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:17.960 like when he can go out there and see the 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.320 field and you and all five guys are live in 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.520 the route and he doesn't have to look over every 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.400 three or four plays to make sure that Odell Beckham's 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.360 not losing his mind because he's not getting the ball. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.040 And that's bad for a young quarterback. Right Why is 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.640 Russell Wilson going to be better for Odell beck Because 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.520 it's the same thing as Tom Brady with Randy Moss. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.640 Like that was the problem with Randy Moss earlier in 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.400 his career with young quarterbacks. Right then he got to 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.240 New England and the quarterback was a bigger star than 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.680 he is. And the quarterback being a bigger star than 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.520 he is, I think made made a big difference because 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.480 now it's like, I like Randy Moss could legitimately go 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.160 into New England and say, I know this guy knows 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.520 more than me. I know, this guy has been to 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.680 the mountaintop. This guy's a bigger star than I am. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.080 So in this situation, it's on me to fit in 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.800 with him, not the other way around. And I think 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.120 Russell Wilson probably has that sort of like that has 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.080 that sort of like I guess leverage is the right 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.760 word in a relationship with his receivers, whereas a Baker 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.720 Mayfield doesn't, you know, a Baker Mayfield. If Odell's not 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.240 getting the ball and he's not happy, he's not going 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.200 to point the finger at himself. If that happens with 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.520 Russell Wilson, I think the dynamic is completely different. And 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.960 that's why I think, like, you know, you even look 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.119 at like when the Patriots got rid of Randy Moss, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.560 that was why, because it's sort of reverted to that 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.360 and that I think that's what every team that's considering 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.559 signing him or claiming him has to take into accounts 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.320 what sort of effect it's going to have in your 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.240 quarterback and whether or not your quarterback has the power 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.719 to leverage the right the right sort of attitude out 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.880 of Odell Beckham. How does Aaron Rodgers play against Seattle 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.000 this weekend? I think he's like at his best when 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.040 he's like an a few mode, right, And I think, like, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.800 I mean, no one, how does he get to the 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.120 point where and he's allowed to play? How does he play? 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.880 Do you think he's playing against Seattle? I do? Okay, yeah, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.959 I mean and look like like I will say this, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:11.600 I mean like this is like if he has symptoms whatever, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.880 I don't know about that, right, Like that's possible that, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.760 you know, like the timing doesn't like he has another 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.840 positive test whatever, right like, so he's got to get 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.760 through the protocols first. But I think if he clears 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.679 on Saturday, then I think he's gonna play. And just 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.000 having talked to Packers coaches about this over the last 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.280 few days, I can tell you unequivocally if they one 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:34.599 of them said to me, if there's anyone in the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.559 league who can play without practicing during the week, it's 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.480 Aaron Rodgers. And so you know they're gonna get Aaron 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.520 Rodgers ready to play, you know, over the next few days. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.760 And I think where this would have gotten interesting Dan 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.079 is if Jordan Love had played really well against the Chiefs, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.960 maybe organizationally, then they might say, let's get a second 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.720 look at him. You know, if they win that game, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.360 maybe they have a little more breathing room. Now let's 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.839 take another look at what Jordan Loved looks like out here. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.679 We can gather some valuable information, and we can give 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.360 Aaron the benefit of another week off. But I think 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.679 based on the way the way Jordan Love played now, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.959 like kind of the urgency of the situation the Packers 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.440 are facing, they're going to do everything they can to 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.480 get him ready. I think he's going to start on Sunday, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.040 so long as he clears the protocols. Does this affect 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.720 his status long term with the Packers in your opinion? 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:28.280 I think yes. They're handling of this situation is going 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.200 to be really important. Now. The league's investigating this, right, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.320 so they're requesting all the video and they're like trying 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.880 to gather every piece of like every piece of information 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.600 they can about the way this wine over the last 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.960 three months. I think, you know, one of the interesting 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.280 pieces of this is the press conference piece of it, 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.560 where like the Packers, if you look at the way 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.680 they handle the press conferences, right, you can tell what 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.960 happened there, Like you don't need me to tell you. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.800 They put every other unvaccinated player on zoom. Every single 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.480 their unvaccinated player was on zoom. Only Aaron Rodgers was 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.120 going to the going to the podium without without a 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.080 mask on. So the Packers can very easily say to 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.240 the league, we told him, look like every other every one, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.200 every other one of our guys is up there, right, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.160 So how do they handle this now? Do they fall 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.120 on the sword and say you can talk to Aaron 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.600 we've got our players back, or do they say, look 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.560 at the way we handle every other one of our players. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.960 I think that right there, because Aaron takes everything so personally. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.360 I think that right there is important because if Aaron 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.240 feels like he's being thrown under the robust by the 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.760 by the Packers, all that good will over the three 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.880 last three months I think goes out the window. If 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.000 the Packers fall on the sword here, maybe it helps them, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.520 right Like if the Packers show we have your back, like, hey, Aaron, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.640 look we traded for Randall Cobb. We went and got 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.800 Whitney Merciless and Jalen Smith in the middle of the season, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.760 we're acting in a different way. We're winning with you, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.520 and now we have your back when you're in a 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.880 really kind of tough spot. I think that could end 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.440 going a long way. So I don't think it's like 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.280 how like the on field piece goes. I think it's 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.960 how the n NFL investing investigation goes. They could really 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.800 wind up affecting where that relationship is when we get 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.000 to February and March. Thank you, Albert, We appreciate your 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.720 time as always. You got it, Dan, Thanks for listening 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.959 to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.520 us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.400 six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.839 local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.680 Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.480 the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, or stream 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.280 us live on the Peacock Act. Talking to Dean Blandino, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.440 Fox NFL and college football rules analysts kind enough to 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.840 join us. All right, Dean, what do you take away 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.679 from that play? Yeah, and certainly, look, this has been 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.480 a point of emphasis. We've been talking about taunting. I 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.120 always try to put myself in my old role, okay, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.319 but put yourself in the position of the official. And 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.240 where Tony correnis standing, he sees Marsh kind of walked 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.640 toward the bench. Maybe he thinks he's talking to Harving 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:11.000 the punter, and it looks to him like taunting. It's 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.480 been this point of emphasis, and he's going to throw 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.600 his flag. Then you get the hip check, which I 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:21.240 have a hard time explaining that. I just think we've 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.520 gone too far with this. You know, Tony mentioned in 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.920 in his pool report that he was posturing. Look to me, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.559 it looked like Marsh maybe maybe he might have said something. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.480 I mean, he's he's thirty yards away. This isn't right 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.800 at the bench area where he's dawing getting up in 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.600 somebody's face. I'd love to see more of him in 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.000 somebody's face, especially in that situation where you're basically it's 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.480 a first down for the Steelers that that's a tough one, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.000 and then you get the contact at the end, which 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.240 is which is really difficult to explain. Do you think 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.320 that the official tried to make contact with Cassius Marsh? 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.720 You know, if you sit here and ask me, do 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.280 I think he intentionally, I would say no. I would 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.559 say absolutely, under no circumstances he trying to make make 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.240 contact with Marsh. But you watch the video and it 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.240 certainly looks like that way. I'm not in Tony's head. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.800 I don't know I would. I'd be shocked if that 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.600 were the case. But you watch the video, and I'm 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.080 not going to sit here and say some people won't 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.400 think that. I don't think that's the case. But it's 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.800 tough with the video the way the way it looked. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.600 I just didn't understand the timing of it. Dean, because 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.120 if he did taunt Okay, there was ample time to 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.120 throw the flag for taunting. The flag didn't really come 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.440 out and go into the air until they made contact 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.680 with each other. Yeah, and Tony was very clear that 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.440 the contact had nothing to do with the flag. And 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.760 you know, but if anything, it was Tony. Maybe he 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.080 lost his balance, I don't know. It just didn't look good. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.680 But again, he's processing it, he's giving maybe he's giving 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.320 marsh the opportunity. Okay, is he gonna keep walking toward 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.440 the bench area. I'm going to give him a chance 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.960 to walk way, you know, let it play out. It 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.760 is a big situation in the game, and I guess 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.480 he felt that it crossed the line and now he's 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.600 going to throw the flag and then you get the contact. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.240 It just it's just not a great it's just not 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.560 a good deal when we're sitting here talking about something 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.760 like that, when we should be talking about, like you said, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.680 the Steelers, you know, trying to put the Bears away, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.080 the Bears with a great comeback and we end up 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.160 having an exciting finish because you know what it would 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.680 have happened if it was reverse dean oh ejection disqualification 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.280 out of the game, no question. Yeah, I know that 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.040 they're calling this and there's an emphasis for this. What 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.000 was the ground swell that said, we've got to call these, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.560 We've got to really emphasize the taunting here. Yeah, and 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.240 this is this has happened before at my time at 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.120 the NFL. This came from the Coaches Subcommittee, which is 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.800 a committee that works with the Competition Committee. It's made 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.440 up of head coaches. You know, Andy Reid is the 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.520 is the chair. There's coaches like Brian Flores and Mike 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.880 Vrabel who's now Rabel's going to move to the Competition 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.360 Comitty next year. And they had had had voiced some 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.280 concern about the sportsmanship and a and a kind of 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.600 a lack of sportsmanship and more of the in your 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.880 face taunting type stuff that wasn't getting called. And so 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.880 I can understand that if you feel like there's actions 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.080 that are not being called that are fouls by by 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.480 definition in the rule book and we want to clean 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.800 that up, that's great and that's important, and we want 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.960 to make sure right it's it's player safety number one, 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.000 sportsmanship number two, and then competitive equity number three. But 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.280 it feels like we've almost gone to a new standard 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.800 for taunting that that that Now it's it's not so 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.560 much cleaning up what we thought we were missing. Now 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.800 it's like anything anything that could be directed at an 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:51.040 opponent posturing. We're getting flags, and the flags are up significantly. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.040 It's not it's not like we have four or five 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.440 flags a game. It's still less than one a game. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.480 But it just feels like the standard has changed, and 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.640 I'm not sure If the Competition Committee is comfortable with that, great, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.080 then then they're not going to have to make any adjustments. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.720 But I'm not sure if they're going to be comfortable 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.040 at the end of the year when they look at 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.040 the whole picture. Yeah, I don't want to put more 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.760 on the officials play, so I don't want them to adjudicate, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.000 you know, I got to read into what is intent here. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.040 I mean it's it's it's already tough if it's the 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.159 toughest sport to officiate, and now we've added intent, and 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.840 I just think I'm worried that we're going to get 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.159 to a playoff game. Deem Like this is a standalone 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.760 regular season game, that's why we're talking about it. If 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.080 this is a wildcard game and you had a play 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.040 like this in a moment like this, you know, that's 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.200 how rules get changed. But this is you know, then 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.239 there's a big deal with you know, implications money on it, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.879 from gambling. You know, there's just they I don't know. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.760 I think they need to deemphasize taunting. The officials get 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.040 together here halfway point of the regular season. Let's let's 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.280 hit a reset button here, like we've done with holding before, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.240 pass interference before, where we maybe you know, we slow it, 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.480 we slow it down a little bit. That's certainly possible. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.200 And then the competition Competition committee has done that before, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.960 Like you mentioned withholding, we've seen that in previous years. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.480 And to get to give the officials, I think the 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.640 officials have been really good over the years and understanding 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.600 what is taunting and what is just the normal emotion, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.399 the normal the normal kind of back and forth that 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.800 happens during the game. They've been really good at that. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.320 And this feels like, like you said, we've given them 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.480 another thing on their plate. And now look they're being 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:35.240 told on training tapes every week, these taunting plays are highlighted. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.760 These are calls we need to get there and it's 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.560 hammered in. So if you have that some were telling you, hey, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.960 you got to get these taunting calls. You're gonna go 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.280 out and you're gonna look for that stuff. And that's 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.679 what I feel like it's happening to some extent. I 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.520 feel like the officials are really good when you give 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.600 them some discretion and say, hey, get the big ones, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.439 get the ones that's in your face, the obvious unsportsmanlike stuff, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.840 and the other stuff, the emotional stuff. Let's let the 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.240 game keep, you know, let that continue in the game. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.560 Let's not have fifteen yard penalties impact games. We're talking 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.919 to Dean Bland, you know, Fox NFL and college football 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.800 rules analysts. But you can see the Steelers defense run 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.840 sixty yards together collectively down to the end zone, slide 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.760 into the end zone and take a snapshot. I can 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.480 watch Lamar Jackson do a cartwheel into the end zone 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.679 or a somersault. That's not taunting. I know and is. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.920 And this has been I remember talking to coaches Bill Belichick, 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.280 and he had the same things that we're letting everybody 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.359 run into the end zone and doing these celebrations, and 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.920 then we're going to ask the players on the other 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.800 side to kind of temper their emotions. And it's kind 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.679 of you can't have it both ways. And again, the 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.960 emotion is good. You know, the league is so cognizant 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.119 of not they do not like. There are people at 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.320 three forty five Park that do not like when they 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.600 are called the no fund League. They don't like it. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.399 And so they're trying to allow the celebrations, allow some 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.879