1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Gattie and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: I once again urged the Revolutionary Guard, the Iranian military 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: police to lay down your arms and receive full immunity 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: or face certain death. 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: It will be certain death. Won't be pretty. Lay down 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: your arms or face certain death. 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 4: That speech Trump gave in the middle of the night 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: Saturday night was amazing. You gets so used to Trump 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: saying stuff that doesn't fit in with anything you've heard 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 4: your whole life. But to have a president of the 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: United States come out in the middle of the night 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 4: and say, here's your chance, take it, take your country back. 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: This might be your only chance. The iotola is dead. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: Here you go. Well, And as a contrast to the 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 4: horrifying fecklessness of Kamala Harrison, Joe Biden, don't because we won't. 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: Do anything to discourage you. But don't. 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 4: Wouldn't you love to be able to view a parallel 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: universe where Kamala wins, and all the things that would 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: or would not have happened since Trump was present, Some 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 4: of them might be good and maybe you know, maybe 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 4: the no tariffs or whatever like that might have been better. 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, but this the Maduro would still be 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 4: in office, the Iatola would still be running Iran, no 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 4: doubt about it. Yeah, I'm not sure any good would 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 4: balance the continued erosion of American deterrence, which is just horrible. 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: So lots of discussion and I'm pretty interested in this 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: on whether or not Trump had the authorization to do this. 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: A number of Democrats are calling this and legal act 31 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: in the Lee War. Senator John Fetterman, Democrat, on one 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: of the shows yesterday, said this. 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 5: Provide forty eight hours of notification, and President Trump had 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 5: done that, and then that means after sixty days then 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 5: they have to withdraw those soldiers or perhaps even for 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 5: an extra thirty day extension. Neither of those things have 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 5: been broken for that there are no American boots on 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: the ground that did not violate War Powers Resolution from 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy three. 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: So I'm guessing John Fetterman has talked to legal minds 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: about this. He believes Trump is in the right. You know, 42 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: it tends to not always in this case, but it 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: tends to come down on whether or not you're in 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 4: favor of hitting Iran or not. If you you don't 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 4: like the idea of taking out the eye totally, you 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 4: think it's illegal. And if you do, you think it 47 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 4: you're more okay. Although I've heard plenty of conservatives say, 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 4: I'm all for this. This has been our friend Tim 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: Sander first thing. I'm all for this. We should have 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: done it a long time ago. But you got to 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: go to Congress. One guy doesn't get to decide, which 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: is kind of where I am. I think, Although I 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: need to read the piece in the National Review by 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: what's his name, their legal guy, the National Review, Andrew McCarthy, 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: and Andrew McCarthy. He says that Trump did have and 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: he's he doesn't always back Trump by any means whatsoever. 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: Andrew McCarthy, National Review, their legal guy, said Trump is 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: in within his rights to do this, maybe for the reasons. 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: Fetterman just said, Yeah, So. 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 4: I've read a piece and it's a good one in 61 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: the I guess it's the Wall Street Journal. Trump's shifting 62 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: golds for Iran complicate the military's mission, and it's a 63 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: description of how both within the administration and supporters and 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: allies like Lindsey Graham are going back and forth between 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: we're just trying to disarm Iran, make sure they don't 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: get a nuke. They were an imminent threat, and talking 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: about regime change, talking about you know, that's it with 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: the Iatolas and the people of Vran need to take 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: their country back, and blah blah blah, and how that's 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: been inconsistent. And that's true as far as it goes. 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: But I think it's it's not sufficient because if we 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: decided as a country we can no longer take the 73 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: approach to the last forty five years and manage Iran 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 4: and beg them or bribe them not to continue to 75 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 4: sponsor terrorism, develop their nuclear problem, etc. 76 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: That was just it's failed. It was time to end it. 77 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 4: They'd never been weaker and so now was the time 78 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: to end it. It's not the best, it's not great, 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: but I completely understand what the administration is saying in 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: effect is we've got to see how it goes. We've 81 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: decided the status quo is not acceptable anymore. We're not 82 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: sure how this is going to play out. We are 83 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: going to manage the really negative possibilities vigilantly, but we've 84 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: just got to see what opportunities present themselves. If we 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: can merely set Iran back as a sponsor of terrorism 86 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: and a proliferator of nuclear arms for fifteen years, okay, 87 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: so limited success, but we'll take it. If we can 88 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: get more you know, more practical, more approachable guys from 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: the same regime in there and maybe work stuff out, okay, 90 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: Or maybe we get complete regime change and Iran rejoins 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: the Brotherhood of Nations. All of those are better than 92 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 4: the status quo. 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: I can't that's what they're saying. 94 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: I can't imagine a situation that's as bad or worse 95 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: for the world and for the United States. You could 96 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: end up with as bad a situation for you know, 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: Iranian citizens. They could get an evil dictator again, but 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 4: an evil dictator that is a religious nut who wants 99 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 4: to attack America or wipe Israel off the. 100 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: Mat Man I doubt it, right, seems unlikely. 101 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: If it is a similar regime but with vastly reduced 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: capabilities and finances, well that's a win. So we played 103 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: the clip of Trump saying lay down your arms or 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: face certain death. Pete Hegseath just said to the Uranian 105 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: security forces, choose wisely which is saying the same sort 106 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: of thing. Who was I listening to yesterday? I guess 107 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: maybe it was Trump saying that somebody that they're getting 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: contacted by lots of leaders of various military outfits in 109 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 4: Iran saying hey, we're willing to know what do you 110 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: want us to do? 111 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 2: God, that'd be tough, though. 112 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 4: You'd be looking around thinking if I say this out loud, 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: am I going to get shot in the back? Or 114 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: whoever I whisper it too is going to say, yeah, 115 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: me too. What do you suppose we ought to do? 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 6: Well? 117 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: And what do you do? 118 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: Do you like just go on Google and try to 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 4: find the number for the White House? Or what if 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 4: I found mail like a kernel in the UH sent 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: them on the Revolutionary Guard dearest White House? Yeah, of 122 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 4: sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. 123 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: With that, I surrender. 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: So many different pieces in for me on this trying 125 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: to figure out what order and which ones are the 126 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: most important for you. We are going to talk to 127 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 4: Mike Lyons later in the show, and he tweeted out 128 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: he's a military analyst that we really like Iran will 129 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: attempt to execute something we have never really seen before, 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: win a war of attrition in the air force the 131 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: United States to deplete its air defenses. The US must 132 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: focus completely on the launchers. Take out the archers, you 133 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: take out the error arrows. Iran is trying to hit 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: Israel enough and also just do enough stuff that we, 135 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: as he said, we use up all our capability, right, 136 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 4: which is not impossible, right, and then they exact so 137 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: high a cost that we are pushed to abandon the 138 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: aerial attacks on Iran even though they're defenseless. That math 139 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: doesn't work, but it's the math of the desperate I'm meandering. 140 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: David Harsani tweeted out, I like this. I'm old fashioned, 141 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: but I think regimes that have slogans like death to 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 4: America should be terrified at all times. I would agree, 143 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: and I think they will from now on. Which was 144 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: George Will's point that this has re established the terrence 145 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: around the world be scared of the United States. 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: You start messing with this fo FA. George Will didn't 147 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: say that, but it's true. 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: The other side of that coin has got to be, Hey, 149 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: if you're our buddy, let's let's do business. 150 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: We will protect you. Uh, you know, We'll be a 151 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: good and loyal friend and then we. 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: Have to be I got the letters backwards. It's not 153 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: it's not f off f around and figure about or 154 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 4: anything like that. I got the letters backwards. Sorry about that. 155 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: We're all tracking with you. But anyway, you know, we 156 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: will be a good, strong and loyal friend. But if 157 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 4: you mess with us, we will be a horrifyingly fearsome enemy. 158 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 4: And we have lost that for a long time. That's 159 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: not that's not to advocate from military adventurism or or 160 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 4: unnecessarily brutal conduct around the world at all, but we 161 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: had lost the stick. So Trumpet announced last night that 162 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: the Iranians want to negotiate. He's hoping that, you know, 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: we can pause the fighting and negotiate. They're current leader 164 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: of some sort. Who knows who's in charge. That's got 165 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: to be a mess. Who's making the calls on this stuff? 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: Like who ordered the attacks on the nine countries? When 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: the Iyatola or any of the forty people below him 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: they're all dead, So who made that decision? 169 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: I wonder well. 170 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: And plus you gotta have a fair number of guys 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: in the regime where they're like, congratulations, Muhammad, you are 172 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: the new minister of defense. 173 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Oh you know, boy, that's such an honor and thanks. 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: But I got two kids in travel soccer, and you know, 175 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: I'm just so busy these days. It is not probably 176 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 4: fighting them exactly. You could probably find somebody better. Please 177 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: find somebody better, literally, anybody but me. But they're current 178 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 4: something or other said we will not negotiate with the 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: United States and put that statement out yesterday. Okay, again, 180 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: I don't understand strategy. You're not going to negotiate with 181 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: the United States. You're attacking all the countries around you 182 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: who have gone from neutral to Okay, now we got 183 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: to fight you. 184 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: So what what? 185 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: What are you? 186 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: What are they? 187 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: What are they hoping to do? 188 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 4: I don't know, Michael, Michael ready clipped fifty six. This 189 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: is a boss unpronounceable. The temporary Iranian Foreign Minister. 190 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 7: Our military is in place. They are capable enough to 191 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 7: defend our country. They are more prepared and capable than 192 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 7: previous war before twelve They war quality wise, quantity wise, 193 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 7: they are in a better position. 194 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: So they've got a bigger and better military than before 195 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: the twelve day war in June. That was a quick turnaround. Congratulations, 196 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: you're recruiting must be excellent. 197 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do understand the critique of. 198 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: There was not enough explanation from the administration to the 199 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: American people on what we're going to do and why 200 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: we've been talking about this for weeks, that we were 201 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 4: about to get into a war with less discussion than 202 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: has ever happened ever by a lot. The only counter 203 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: argument I can come up with is they didn't want 204 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: to Trump didn't want to telegraph what was about to happen. 205 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 2: But there's plenty of telegraph and wasn't there. Yeah, I 206 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: don't think that. I mean moving all the all those 207 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: forces to the Persian Gulf. Yeah. 208 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: My cynical explanation is nobody cares and I'm not gonna, 209 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: you know, give them the heads up, just you know, 210 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: to start the argument and have a bunch of people 211 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: out there saying, no, we should do I'll just go 212 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: ahead and do it, worry about it afterwards. 213 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: People don't care enough. 214 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: I mean, if you watch the new if you paid 215 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 4: attention to the news at all, yes, you knew this 216 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,359 Speaker 4: was coming and it would have kind of driven a conversation. 217 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: But people just don't care. 218 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: Now. 219 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: I saw some early. 220 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 4: Polling yesterday Reiters was had out. I'm not gonna I 221 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 4: didn't even write it down because it was an online 222 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: poll and it's early, but it just seems so unlikely 223 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: to be true. It had it overwhelmingly the United States, 224 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 4: including Republicans, were against this, and I just I don't. 225 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: I find that hard to believe. But you know, let's 226 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: ask again tomorrow. Well this needs to be said, and 227 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 4: I'm sorry it's taken this long. This is all a 228 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 4: distraction from the Epstein five. 229 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: That's what Saturday Night Live opened with. Yes, oh really, yeah, 230 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: great minds think alike. 231 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: Yet in san It Yeah, they had their Trump impersonator, 232 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: who is amazing. 233 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: We've had him on the show. He is absolutely fantastic. 234 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: This is good the distract us from the Epstein files, 235 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: and the child crowded cheered like crazy. I know people 236 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: personally who believe that. So, oh lord, what are your thoughts? 237 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: And we got a lot more on the way. 238 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: Stay here. 239 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: I call upon all irradiant patriots who yearned for freedom 240 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: to seize this moment, to be brave, be bold, be heroic, 241 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: and take back your country. America is with you. I 242 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: made a promise to you, and I fulfilled that promise. 243 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: The rest will be up to you. 244 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: You're talking to me, will be there to help. Wow, 245 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: that's Trump from over the weekend. 246 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 4: Trump just told CNN the big wave is yet to 247 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: come in the war with Iran. The two thousand strikes 248 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 4: in forty eight hours is not the big wave. The 249 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: big wave is yet to come. 250 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: Okay. 251 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: So his warning to the Revolutionary Guard and the army 252 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: officers and everything to lay down your arms or self. 253 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: The consequences, the consequences of you know not yet come. 254 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: I want to get to Pete Hegsath's message to the 255 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: troops at some point in the next hour. We've got 256 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 4: a reporter from the region coming up in a couple 257 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: of minutes. 258 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: Plus. Trump also later Yeah, Trump also said we'll get 259 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: this from CNN. He just he just talked to him. 260 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: The US military is knocking the crap out of Iran. 261 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: There you go. That's some analysis. 262 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 4: Speaking of analysis, this is from an analyst who I 263 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 4: hadn't previously known, Sheriloca on Slim Perera, But good, good writing. 264 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: He says, they did not bomb in Iran. 265 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 4: They waited for Iran's entire leadership to sit down in 266 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 4: the same room and then they bombed Iran. Months of intelligence, 267 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 4: thousands of hours of surveillance and signal intercepts. One variable 268 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: the movement of the Supreme Leader, the president, and senior 269 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: military command gathered in a single location at the same time. 270 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: He describes the time, the situation, how normally the attacks 271 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: come at night, etc. And then he gets into the 272 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: movement of Kamane before or after the strike. Is kind 273 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: of a distraction, but his point is, if it's the 274 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 4: one case someone inside Tehran's inner circle told Jerusalem when 275 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: and where the meeting would happen. If after the strikes 276 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: at the room and he survived, blah blah blah, because 277 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: Iron's leadership now knows three things. Israel knew where they 278 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: were meeting, and I would suggest the US played a 279 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: little more role than this guy's giving the CIA credit for. 280 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: But we're not sure and probably never will be. 281 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: But anyway, Israel knew where they were meeting, Israel knew 282 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: when they were meeting, Israel knew who would be in 283 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: the room, and everything we watched over the past month, 284 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: the F twenty two is at over to the tankers 285 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: have Ben Gourian Ella Dad emptied to zero two hundred 286 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: and seventy transport flights. All of it was the delivery 287 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: architecture for one precision strike on one gathering. Every future 288 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: meeting of Iran senior leadership now carries one question. Does 289 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: Israel know about this one too? 290 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 6: Right? 291 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 4: Well, and every bad guy or a country where is 292 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 4: an enemy of us in the entire world is wondering 293 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: does the CIA know exactly who's in this room right 294 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: now if they decided to do something. A couple more 295 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: quick notes. This is not a military operation. This is 296 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: the destruction of institutional trust inside a regime. Every generals 297 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: sits with Kamani tomorrow, Well, that ain't happening. We'll wonder 298 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: who told Jerusalem about today. Every IRGC commander who receives 299 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: a meeting summons will calculate whether attendance is duty or 300 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: a death sentence blah blah blah, and then he gets 301 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: into them spring missiles all over the region. The Gulf 302 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: Coalition that did not exist yesterday exists today because Taran 303 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: built it by it attacking everyone simultaneously. This is not 304 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: a battle. This is that is checkmate disguised as a 305 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: first move. How did Iran think that hitting a luxury 306 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: hotel in Dubai would make them pressure the United States 307 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: to stop? I think the calculation, which seems kooky is 308 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: we will sow destruction and pain in the world. Will say, 309 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 4: please stop, please stop. All the Gulf States will say 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: to the US, you've got to stop because they're knocking 311 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: down our hotels. 312 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: Not so wow. 313 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: Yet another unbelievably bad calculation by the Iranian regime. God 314 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 4: I would say, we need to talk a little bit. 315 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 4: We got a good guest coming up, but we got 316 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: to talk a little bit later about some of the 317 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: new weapons that were unleashed by Israel and the United 318 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: States that had never been seen before. They got used 319 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: over the weekend, including this new laser beam thing that 320 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 4: Israel has, the iron beam that they had never used. 321 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: I'm surprised they held it back all this time. A 322 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 4: lot of really cool technology. I hope you can stick around. 323 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: If you miss a segment or an hour, get the 324 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 4: podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. 325 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 6: Armstrong and Getty. 326 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: The Iranian regime shaken to its core, more than forty 327 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: of its leaders dead in strikes carried out with astonishing 328 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: speed and exquisite intelligence. Within minutes of the opening strikes, 329 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: not only was Iran Supreme leader killed, but the head 330 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: of Iran's armed forces, the Defense Minister and seven senior 331 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: military leaders along with dozens more commanders. 332 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 4: Operation Epic Fury. Has there ever been anything like this 333 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: in world history against a major country with a major 334 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 4: military no where you take out their leadership, all of 335 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 4: their leadership in like a minute. It's the most devastating 336 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: decapitation strike in the history of mankind. I think we 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 4: have the good luck to have with US now. Dale Gavlak, 338 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 4: who is the Middle East correspondent for CBS Radio News 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: and has extensive background in studying the region, and is 340 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 4: reporting from Aman, Jordan, Dale, welcome, how are you. 341 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 6: I'm okay, I'm okay. But as we speak, yeah, there 342 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 6: have been air rights sirens going off in Jordan, and 343 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 6: we've heard many many warplanes from US, Bass and Jordan 344 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 6: flying flying off throughout the day. 345 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: As someone who studied the Middle East for a long time, 346 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: what do you make of the Iranian strategy to spray 347 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 4: ordinance at all of the Gulf States and Jordan and 348 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 4: and spread Mayhem around. Did they calculate that that would 349 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: bully the other countries into not cooperating with the US. 350 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: What do you think they were thinking? 351 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: Hard to know except that they I mean they did 352 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 6: promise that they would you know, unleash their own fury, 353 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 6: and so theyasically US allies and the Gulf have come 354 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 6: under attack from Iranian missiles and drones. We saw today 355 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 6: in Kuwait that black smoke rose above the area around 356 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 6: the US embassy there. Loud blasts continue in Dubai and 357 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 6: in got A. Saudi Arabia shut its biggest refinery after 358 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 6: drone strikes caused a fire there, and Iranian missiles have 359 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 6: been targeting the print Sultan air Base near the capital 360 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 6: of Riyadh. Those were intercepted, but now Saudi Arabia says 361 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: its military is raising its readiness level after multiple attacks 362 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 6: by Iran. So Gulf of Arabs are not not happy 363 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 6: at all with what Iran is doing. I mean, these Arabs, 364 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia particularly and the United Arab Emirates had tried 365 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 6: in yeah, the recent past to you know, basically have 366 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 6: moderate relations with Iran, to you know, build relatively good 367 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 6: ties with them, not to you know, do anything. And 368 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 6: certainly they have not fired back, but Iran said that 369 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 6: it would be targeting US military bases and the Gulf. Well, 370 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 6: they're also hitting civilian places like Dubai Airport, and two 371 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 6: hotels in Dubai. 372 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, to that point, I mean you opened a little 373 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 4: bit nervous there in Jordan. Pretty much everywhere within nine 374 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 4: countries are more. There's reason for everybody to be a 375 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: little nervous about something coming out of the sky, right, Yes, now. 376 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 6: For sure, I mean great, we're grateful here that. Yeah, 377 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 6: the air defense mechanism as well as in many other 378 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 6: places are working well and so yeah, so drones and 379 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 6: missiles are being shot down, but I know in many 380 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 6: jordan in cities there there is debris from these missiles, 381 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 6: and I'm sure the same in other places as well. 382 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 6: But the reality is, you know, I mean, how much 383 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 6: longer will Iran be attacking these various countries. You know, 384 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 6: they do have short range missiles which enables them to 385 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 6: really easily hit the Gulf areas, but they they're longer 386 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 6: range missiles are being targeted toward Israel, and a lot 387 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 6: of those missiles probably are flying over Jordan en route 388 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 6: to Israel, but they are being shot down as well. 389 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: Are you at all surprised, given how degraded the leadership 390 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 4: of the country is at this point, that they've continued 391 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 4: to offer at least a semi coherent military response, and 392 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: how long do you suppose might that continue? 393 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 6: Not so much because in the case, I mean, Iran 394 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 6: has said this itself, but we've also seen it with 395 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 6: its proxy Husbella. If you eliminate one line of leadership, 396 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 6: they have gotten place secondary line and probably a tertiary 397 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 6: line as well. So in that sense, not really. But 398 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 6: you know, Iran's top security chiefs Ali Larijani said that 399 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 6: Iran is not open to talks with the US, and 400 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 6: he says that Iran will fight on that it won't surrender. 401 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: Dale Gavlak of CBS Radio News from Amman, Jordan, Dale, 402 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 4: thanks very much, well done. 403 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: I hope we can stay in touch. 404 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 6: Yes, thank you. 405 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 4: The average soldier in the Iranian well, they got so 406 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: many different versions of their military, whether it's a regular 407 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 4: army or the cud's force or whatever it is. But 408 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 4: they might be willing to a lot of them might 409 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 4: be willing to surrender or lay down their arms or whatever. 410 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 4: But all the people on kind of the leadership end 411 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 4: of it, they're probably thinking, I could lay down my arms, 412 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: but I'm gonna get killed by somebody. I mean, when 413 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 4: the people take over, they're not gonna let let me 414 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: just go back to life. 415 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: I was a leader in one of these, you know. 416 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 4: Divisions that were outslaughtering people in the street a month ago. 417 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 4: They're not going to let me live, so this idea, 418 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 4: and so for that reason, they're probably going to continue 419 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: to fight because anybody at any even the slightest leadership level, 420 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: has to realize they're they're they're not going to get out. 421 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: Of this alive. 422 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 4: And every army, and especially the armies of dictators are 423 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: pretty good at making sure their guys don't surrender because 424 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: they know that's a serious issue, so they have contingency plans. 425 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: I mean, look at the Russians in Ukraine. Every single 426 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: damn guy there wants to surrender, but he's got a 427 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: gun in his. 428 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 2: Back as well as the one pointing at him. 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 4: But with the leadership gone in the forty people below 430 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 4: that that the plus they took out the Revolutionary Guard 431 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: leader fairly recently, so the level of disorientation and who's 432 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 4: in charge and can I trust this guy has got 433 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: to be just off the charts and expertise for that matter. Yeah, 434 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: what a wild situation. Now, So she's in Jordan and 435 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: everybody within many, many, many miles of Iran is worried 436 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 4: about an attack because Iran spraying rockets all over the place. 437 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 4: This is an interesting one. For the first time ever, 438 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 4: on Sunday, Israel used the iron Beam air defense system 439 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 4: to destroy Hesbela rockets. Hesbela attacked Israel. Israel's now fighting 440 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: Hesbela again. They're going to get completely eliminated. I think 441 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 4: out of this deal, Hesbeola will go away. Good, is right, 442 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 4: But anyway, they use this powerful laser rather than interceptors 443 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 4: for the first time ever. This is a dramatic development 444 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: that will fundamentally change the nature of warfare in the region. Now, 445 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: did Israel always have this weapon and just wait until 446 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 4: now to use it? I mean they've been under attack 447 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: a lot in the last couple of years. Or did 448 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 4: it finally just get up the speed to where they 449 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 4: could use it. 450 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to know that. 451 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 4: I wonder if it's the latter, and maybe it's AI 452 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 4: aided I don't know, but yeah, so you don't have 453 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 4: to stockpile, you know, five thousand missiles to shoot the 454 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 4: other missiles out of the sky with. You have a laser, 455 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 4: which obviously is rechargeable and usable over and over again, right, 456 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 4: and We used a bunch of stuff that had never 457 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 4: been used before that we've had in reserve that I'm 458 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: sure we'll be learning about in coming days, weeks, and months. 459 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 4: That is pretty darned exciting and had to be terrifying 460 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 4: for the Iranians. Oh yeah, yeah, we have a clip 461 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: that is gold jack solid twenty four carrot gold. We 462 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: haven't used it yet, Michael, please twenty if you will. 463 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: What's the message to Iran? Don't surprised that to Iran 464 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: in this moment, don't I'm gonna bomb the shit out 465 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: of them. 466 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 8: I don't care. 467 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't care. 468 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: Little contrast there for you don't. 469 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: There is not a chance, under any circumstance, no matter 470 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 4: how close they got to a bomb that Kamala Harris 471 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: would have been willing to try to stop it. No, no, 472 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: teeny tiny half measures. She was talked into by advisors 473 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: because she has no will of her own. Perhaps never 474 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 4: mind the senile one Joe Biden, who momentarily ran for reelection, 475 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: which still boggles the mind. Sirens and Tel Aviv is 476 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 4: Israel under fire, traying yinsd of Fox. I was watching 477 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 4: him over the weekend several times where he in the 478 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: middle of a report had to run for cover because 479 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 4: they got rockets coming in. 480 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 2: There's been some serious death and destruction in Israel too. 481 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: They've taken some hard bos. 482 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 4: With part of the belief being that if Iran can 483 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 4: shoot enough stuff at him, that Israel's defense capability will 484 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: be depleted, and then at some point they could just 485 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 4: rain in rockets wherever the heck they wanted to, although 486 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: this new iron beam thing might. 487 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: Be a different situation. 488 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, but how many do they have and how quickly 489 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: can you move from one target to another? 490 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: I don't know. 491 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: What do you think of Trump telling CNN the big 492 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: wave is yet to come? Do you think that's bluster? 493 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: Or do you think that's true? I was just about 494 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: to bring that up. Ah gosh, given what's transpired so far, 495 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: I would guess it's true or certainly another big wave. 496 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 4: But they've got to suppress Iran's ability to send missiles here, there, 497 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 4: and everywhere, including our guys on our basis. I understand 498 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: they dropped dozens of two thousand pound deep penetration bombs 499 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 4: already and. 500 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: More around the way. If there is a well. 501 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: There are several worriesome aspects of this, but one in 502 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 4: particular is we're spending a lot of ammunition, a lot 503 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: of really advanced missile systems. I hope we've got enough 504 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: in reserve and or can get them made quick, because 505 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 4: I know that that was an issue before this. My 506 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 4: kids were as kids worried this was World War Iie, 507 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: we got into that conversation. It's not, obviously, but Iran, 508 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: or rather Pakistan and Afghanistan, or as of last Thursday, 509 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 4: we got a war between Russia and Ukraine. We got 510 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: all this with nine countries being attacked by Iran. If 511 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 4: China moved on Taiwan, you're getting pretty close. 512 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: Uh oh yeah. Yeah. 513 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: The only reason to me that China wouldn't move on 514 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: Taiwan right now is they just don't have their act 515 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: together to do it yet. But from a timing standpoint, 516 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: how could we possibly help Taiwan right now? 517 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: It'd be a weak effort. 518 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 4: Maybe we'll ask Mike Lyons about that inn eight o'clock hour, 519 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 4: just at the end of that conversation. Speaking of divisions, 520 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: how stark is the division now between the Trump White 521 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 4: House and the Tucker Carlson net and Yahoo is controlling 522 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: American foreign policy? Anti Jew crowd? I mean because Trump 523 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 4: reportedly was telling Tucker, like last week or the week before, 524 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: you got to ease up on the whole freak and 525 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: the Israelis run everything down with the Jews stuff. According 526 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: to sources, that is really, like I said, a stark divide. 527 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 4: You should combine that with what you were telling me 528 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: on Friday off the air about how much money Tucker. 529 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: And Candae make. Yeah, let's talk about that maybe next hour. 530 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: And you only make that much money because you got 531 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 4: a big enough audience to justify it. Folks, tens of 532 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 4: millions of dollars per year, and I don't mean ten million, 533 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: I mean tens of millions of dollars every year preaching 534 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: down with the Jews, which again means there's lots of 535 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: people that are interested in that message. Correct, stay tuned 536 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 4: for all that. 537 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: What's the message to Iran? Don't sage to Iran in 538 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: this moment, don't I'm gonna bomb the shit out of them. 539 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: I don't care, I don't care. Armstrong and Getty. 540 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 8: We're seeing folks like Tucker Carlson. I think we will 541 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 8: see a complete break of Tucker Carlson from the Republican 542 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 8: Party probably this week. How many people does he take 543 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 8: with him how many people are actually part of that 544 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 8: maga versus those who will sign up for whatever Donald 545 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 8: Trump represents. Donald Trump currently defines the Republican Party. We 546 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 8: have gutted the actual two party system. It is defined 547 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 8: by whoever the president or the presidential nominee is. A 548 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 8: lot of people are just gonna go with that. 549 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 4: Tucker is going to break with the President and the 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: Republican Party over striking Iran because he believes, like some 551 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: people I was talking to over the weekend, that this 552 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: is all about defending Israel. Israel calls the shots we 553 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: are Israel Israel's puppets. Tucker has been entertaining, flaming anti 554 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: Semites with softball interviews. Then he has Mike Huckabion, who 555 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: is an evangelical pro Israel person, and just beats the 556 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: crap out of him and engages in the full Tucker 557 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: verbal trickery. 558 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, down, I don't know if you watched that, 559 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: but Huckaby handled himself perfectly. Well. 560 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 4: I mean he had to be a pretty big Tucker 561 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 4: fan to come away from that thinking he easily won that. 562 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: Hucky He's good. 563 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 4: Dude, Oh yeah, smart, So came across this in the 564 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 4: Free Press, super interesting about Tucker Candae and the conspiracy 565 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 4: theory podcast Grift as they call it, A sixty second 566 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: host read a commercial on the Tucker Carlson Show is 567 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 4: listed at forty five thousand dollars as for one sixty 568 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 4: second commercial with a minimum spending of four hundred and 569 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars. 570 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: That we are in this business. 571 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 4: That is a crazy amount of money, and the only 572 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: way you can charge that much money is if you 573 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: can verify you got the listeners or advertisers have had 574 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: the results to show that that's justified. So it's earned 575 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: by a giant audience that Tucker much must actually have, 576 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 4: because I've always wondered how big audience is. 577 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: It's really hard to nail. 578 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: Down Well to that point, Kansas Owns and Carlson's YouTube 579 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: shows are two the most popular in the US, with 580 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: five point eight million and five point two million subscribers respectively, 581 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 4: each posting more subscribers than the New York Times own channel. 582 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 4: And then they go into several examples of their just ridiculous, bizarre, 583 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: you know, ideas and programming and that sort of thing. 584 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 4: I was about to say, is there anything like this 585 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 4: on the left, but is it okay to portray that 586 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: as the right. 587 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on the right and I don't have 588 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: anything to do with what Tucker and Candace believe. But 589 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: whatever you call it. 590 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 4: If this is the future where you have people like 591 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: Tucker and Kandace talking about this angle or you have 592 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 4: another view, I don't know what it would be from 593 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 4: people that are more popular with the Democratic Party Communists. 594 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know what. 595 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 4: They'll obliterate the evening newscasts and the New York Times 596 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 4: and everything like that. In terms of importance, podcast metrics 597 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 4: platform vid iq estimates that Candace owns now earns between 598 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 4: this a broad range one hundred and sixty three thousand 599 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: and four hundred and four hundred and eighty nine thousand 600 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 4: dollars per month. So if you're a pick of number 601 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 4: in the middle of three hundred thousand dollars per month 602 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 4: from the YouTube chantan and that's that alone, well, merchant 603 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 4: twodcast sponsorships alone could net between two million ten million annually, 604 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: not to mention merchandise fees for speaking engagements, which are 605 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: five to six figures. So Candace, who isn't as big 606 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 4: as Tucker, she might be making ten million plus. Yeah, 607 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 4: holy crap, going around cram a lot of money in that, 608 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 4: going around claiming that Erica Kirk works for the Jews 609 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 4: and had her husband killed and she's making ten million 610 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 4: dollars a year. Correct, Holy crap, Which brings us to 611 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 4: another headline from the Free Press. Trump has had enough 612 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 4: of Tucker Carlson. And this was last week, a week 613 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 4: and a half, two weeks ago that this was written. 614 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 4: After months of warnings from inside and outside of the 615 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: White House, Trump is asking Carlson to cut his Israel 616 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 4: bashing personally. Carlson has long had a close friendship with 617 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 4: Jay d. 618 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: Vance. 619 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: Carlson helped persuade Trump to pick Vance as his running mate. 620 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 4: Vance's public loyalty thus far has not waivered, etc. Through 621 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 4: all of this, Trump has largely stayed on the sidelines, 622 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 4: even defending Carlson November when pressed about his interview with 623 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 4: white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Things began to change at the 624 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 4: beginning of the year. On the eleventh of January, Trump 625 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: said publicly what so many of his friends were telling 626 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 4: him privately. When asked by The New York Times about 627 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 4: his supporters that hate Jews and other minorities. Trump said, 628 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 4: I don't think we need them. I think we don't 629 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: like them. 630 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: Well, I was in the hall in. 631 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 4: Milwaukee for the convention when Tucker came out, and he 632 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 4: got by far the loudest ovation outside of Trump that week. 633 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 4: I mean, people just loved Tucker. I mean, he wasn't 634 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 4: as out there about the Jews then as he is now. 635 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 4: So I don't know where he is, but he's gotten nearly, 636 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 4: but yeah, he was revered. Where is this all going? 637 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 4: The most interesting thing might be, because Trump's in office, 638 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 4: where does JD. Vanson the Tucker thing go? Does he 639 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 4: have to split with Tucker like openly at some point? 640 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 4: I wonder, like Lyon's coming up? 641 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty