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Speaker 2: All right, class, let's put all materials away right off

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Speaker 2: the top, Polly pop quiz with a question be too

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Speaker 2: tough to answer, but here we go to see if

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Speaker 2: you're paying attention alert and or if you've been daydreaming

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Speaker 2: at this point. Here's the question. It goes something like this,

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Speaker 2: what would you consider more meaningless mock drafts or draft grades?

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Speaker 2: Darren go.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you gave me a choice, Paul, because if

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Speaker 4: you just would have said, what do I consider more meaningless?

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Speaker 4: That could have gone in a bad direction for me.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm not saying that for sure. What's more meaningless? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Probably the grades?

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, mock drafts.

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Speaker 4: Really, yeah, why would the grades? Grades? I mean, actually,

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Speaker 4: I see them basically exactly the same, because well, they're

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Speaker 4: both based on the exact same thing, right, aren't aren't

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Speaker 4: they mock drafts and the grades based on the exact

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Speaker 4: same thing, which is outside people forecasting, forecasting and analyzing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the mock drafts are so much more entertaining,

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Speaker 2: and they're therefore, henceforth and here to four more worthwhile.

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Speaker 2: That's my contention.

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Speaker 4: Why are they more entertaining because.

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Speaker 2: It gets you through? You know? The draft grades are

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Speaker 2: almost so okay, I guess in necessary nuisance, but it's

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Speaker 2: already happened. You don't really need it. The mock drafts

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Speaker 4: Need is a strong word, Palulm.

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Speaker 3: You needed them. You went through about sixty mock drafts.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm just strong once again, once again

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Speaker 2: Darren biting the content hand that feeds him here on

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Speaker 4: So if you got a guy who's hooked on drugs,

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Speaker 4: you don't say they I mean he needs them, but

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Speaker 4: does he really need them?

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Speaker 2: That might be a little strong. What about snacks? This

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Speaker 2: draft was marked by snacks?

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Speaker 4: What are you MONTI asin for it?

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Speaker 2: Now, That's what I'm saying. Manie ausin Fort cited that

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Speaker 2: it was so fast and furious in round three with

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Speaker 2: although he did admit a bit of a you know,

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Speaker 2: snacks on a regular basis. That the press conferences are

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Speaker 4: Mean, that's something you can delve into, Paul. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: That's true. I'm going to launch an ITEAM investigations. That's good. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, So here we go Monty Hall, and we

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Speaker 2: that hashtag. Although did you guys see that just recently

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Speaker 4: And it's obvious that those two teams were trying to

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Speaker 2: May unless there was a similar offer made to the

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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals war room, and there just has been no

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Speaker 3: I thought that article did say something along those lines

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Speaker 2: I did not get all the way through it, so

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Speaker 2: war room. However, to your point, Danny, I do believe

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Speaker 2: that the Cardinals decided that in this case, quality exceeded quantity,

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Speaker 2: and it'd be sort of like, here's my analogy, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I try to what's the best way to say this.

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Speaker 2: If you go into a renowned Italian restaurant that's known

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Speaker 2: for the eggplant parm ding, do you order the feticini alfredo?

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that a later time. This draft was known,

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Speaker 2: among other things, for the elite class of receivers, and

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Speaker 2: you order the eggplant parm because that's what the restaurant

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Speaker 2: you go with Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 3: And again, I think it's what we talked about. It's

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to would would Danny eat eggplant parmesan? Would

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would like eggplant. I'm not really a picky eater.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say we're okay.

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Speaker 2: So and by the way, Darren, I'm offended you would

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Speaker 3: I was there in our department who feels very strongly

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Speaker 4: Will say that. A. You're right, I would. I would

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Speaker 4: I've become I've become one of those people that I'm

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Speaker 3: Paul, you need to connect with Kyle and our video

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Speaker 3: department on how he feels about edgplant parm and I

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to be offended by Darren's the Italian thing,

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Speaker 2: the characterization, this scatter report that Italian food isn't high

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Speaker 3: A lot of times when you spend good amount of money,

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Speaker 3: the sauce is watery. It's like really not like the

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Speaker 3: thing is. Paul's like, I would never order the alfredo

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Speaker 3: because when you go out, the sauce is always watery,

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Speaker 3: like it just doesn't stick on the noodles.

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Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't. I wouldn't have it just horrible for you.

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Speaker 4: But that's another.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm trying to agree with you here, Derek.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm moving this along. I am asking for

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Speaker 4: I knew he might get heated about the Italian restaurant,

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Speaker 4: So I'm not trying to say I am. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I have Italian ancestry, but I just don't think going

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Speaker 3: You should just go to Italy. The food's really good there.

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Speaker 2: Someday I'll find out. Until then, I want to find

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Speaker 2: I do believe all of us had a chance to

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Speaker 2: interact with him one on one, right, Danny, Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: so what'd you think.

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed my interaction with him. You can see

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Speaker 3: it about the maturity level and Marvin Harrison Junior already

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Speaker 3: being a pro you can feel that in the interactions

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Speaker 4: I would agree that I had a couple different interactions

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Speaker 4: said he's okay with that because a because of his dad.

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Speaker 4: But you know that's just he's like, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: I got a chance to talk to Fitz about it too,

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Speaker 4: and he was basically saying, look, I mean, here's a

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Speaker 4: He's grown up with that knowledge in his house, so

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Speaker 4: like there's really no advice you can give him, and

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Speaker 4: But Fitz was like, I've read all this stuff. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: here's a guy who went to Ohio State with a

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Speaker 4: times when and I know there's it's been brought up

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Speaker 4: like some of these like Max Meultain was was it

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Speaker 4: Max Mountain who was talking about how he Marvin didn't

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Speaker 4: have big games against him? But I'd like to go

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Speaker 4: back and look at those games because did Max Moultain

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Speaker 4: did they just get hammered because Ohio State people running

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Speaker 4: the things Fitz said was like, Marvin's not the type

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Speaker 3: Be who he is, which I thought was an interesting

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Speaker 2: In fact, for a guy who has every right to

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Speaker 2: I asked him about his dad and I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: And so then I just threw out there, okay, you

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Speaker 4: No, it's funny that you mentioned that because one of

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, And he said he's trying to exceed

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Speaker 2: of me here. Three time All Pro, eight time Pro Bowler,

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Speaker 2: and just instantly Marvin just became so much more easy

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Speaker 2: most explosive combination in the country. You have a quarterback

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Speaker 4: You guys can tell me how you feel about this.

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Speaker 4: But like there are times when guys are teammates in

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Speaker 3: Well, they were saying that this has been like two

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Speaker 3: Marvin had said, he's excited for that first touchdown where

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Speaker 2: So anyway, his first start was as a true freshman

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Speaker 2: Now what it does for the Cardinals offense. We had

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Speaker 4: I did when you start looking over the list or

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Speaker 4: But you can really tell what kind of some of

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Speaker 2: Size with the receivers. They're all six voto or above.

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Speaker 4: And we've been talking about Danny's been talking about that

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Speaker 2: When JG said in one of the press conferences after

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Speaker 2: I think you nailed it with the dbs and the receivers.

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Speaker 2: That's part of the pattern. I think we can all

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And it was funny that that was when he

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Speaker 3: As like Jonathan Ganda likes to say, you left off

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Speaker 4: We're most definitely not with.

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Speaker 2: The glowsticks. Really, Okay, you were out there, Paul, I

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Speaker 4: I was. I was implored by a couple of people

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Speaker 3: Right, you're looking at free agency moves and then Darius

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Speaker 2: Talk about before and after, right, it's the big red

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Speaker 2: of time. Craig Rielou would have just canned it for

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Speaker 4: One of three times, it's a problem with gree pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Pass rusher Kyle Vannibosch was how much does this revamp

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Speaker 2: Juli who by the way, round one, pick round two,

435
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Speaker 2: pick a mac Wilson, a Xavier Thomas in round five.

436
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Speaker 2: So if you've fortified and bolstered the interior D line,

437
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Speaker 2: how much does that triggle down to the outside.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm saying this on I believe Cover two,

439
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Speaker 3: maybe trying to Dan. I look only this last week, Darren,

440
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Speaker 3: I have lost count.

441
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Speaker 2: But the point joining a club, just check with your publicist.

442
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Speaker 4: Join the club.

443
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Speaker 3: The point that I had made that I'm going to

444
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Speaker 3: bring up now is the point that Arizona is in

445
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Speaker 3: this transition phase and you have to address essentially every

446
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Speaker 3: spot on the defense. It's not realistic to expect a

447
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Speaker 3: team to make changes that will be long lasting at

448
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: every single position in one offseason. That's not realistic, even

449
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: from a financial standpoint alone. So it's very clear that

450
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Speaker 3: where the Cardinals decided to start was a D line

451
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Speaker 3: in the agents that were brought in in the draft

452
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Speaker 3: picks and the cornerback's room. With your dbs and you

453
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Speaker 3: can you have enough strength from your starters at linebackers

454
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Speaker 3: and safety. The big hole still was your pass rush. Now,

455
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 3: they did address it a little in the draft, but

456
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Speaker 3: to me, this still makes sense of if you can

457
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Speaker 3: really lock down the rush and the coverage, that'll allow

458
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Speaker 3: you to open up and get to the quarterback more.

459
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Speaker 3: And I would expect that to be the number one priority.

460
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Speaker 3: I say this a year out in next years off

461
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Speaker 3: season of where I would expect the money and the

462
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Speaker 3: intention to be. So this makes a lot of sense

463
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Speaker 3: to me from a collective standpoint of the moves made

464
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Speaker 3: in free agency, the moves made in the draft, of

465
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Speaker 3: where the priorities lie, and the trickle down effect of

466
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Speaker 3: really beefing up your D line and how that is

467
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Speaker 3: going to open up things for your pass rushers.

468
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Speaker 4: Here's here's something that I saw that somebody floated on

469
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Speaker 4: social media that I thought was an intriguing concept and

470
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Speaker 4: it kind of plays a little bit to what you're

471
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Speaker 4: talking about and why like a Darius Robinson might mean

472
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Speaker 4: a little bit more. Who's going to be in this offense.

473
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Speaker 4: I mean, he was listed as an edge, but he

474
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Speaker 4: can play on the line and he's going to be

475
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Speaker 4: more of a beefier guy rather than a guy coming

476
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Speaker 4: off the edge. But the idea is is where we

477
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: are in the NFL, and I've seen that because of

478
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Speaker 4: scoring and everything. Like, edge rushers are still important, don't

479
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: get me wrong, but they've been mitigated to a certain

480
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Speaker 4: extent because so many offenses are going to quick throws.

481
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Speaker 4: Where you need the pressure is up the middle these days,

482
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Speaker 4: and that's where this is one of the reasons that

483
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Speaker 4: the defensive tackles are getting more money, and it's one

484
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Speaker 4: of the reasons teams are focusing on it a lot

485
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Speaker 4: more because you need some interior pressure to really make

486
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Speaker 4: it work, because if you're relying on edge rushers alone,

487
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Speaker 4: it's probably you're not gonna be able to get home enough.

488
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Speaker 2: No, it's a valid point, no question. I Mean, you

489
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Speaker 2: play a quarterback like Kirk Cousins, right, how many times

490
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals and he's getting the ball out in less

491
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Speaker 2: than two seconds, and all of us almost just mitten.

492
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Speaker 2: Not does it just mitigate It completely negates your edge, guys,

493
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: it's just such a large degree. So, in fact, you

494
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Speaker 2: talked to any edge rusher, and what's the first thing

495
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: they look at on game film? How long is a

496
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Speaker 2: quarterback holding on to the football. Yeah, that's what they

497
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: look at first, Like okay, all right, I got a

498
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Speaker 2: chance this week, or yeah, I'm not gonna have much

499
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Speaker 2: of a chance this week unless for some reason somebody

500
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Speaker 2: blows around and the quarterback has to hold on to

501
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Speaker 2: the football. But in terms of the edge rushers, is

502
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Speaker 2: there a player who presents more in terms of potential

503
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Speaker 2: and or intrigue than Xavier Thomas Round five pick number one,

504
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Speaker 2: thirty eight overall, age twenty four out of Clemson, the

505
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Speaker 2: fourth fastest forty at the combine Xavier Thomas. It went

506
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Speaker 2: Chop Robinson one, Jared Verse two, somebody else three, and.

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Speaker 4: Then Xavier Thomas somebody else.

508
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Speaker 2: He was like a lower round pick. I mean, okay,

509
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Speaker 2: I'm just work with me here, Darren. This is a

510
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: five star recruit. Somehow, some way. Marvin Irrison Junior apparently

511
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: was only a four star recruit. This guy was a

512
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Speaker 2: five star recorit route and was rated ahead of Micah

513
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: Parsons coming out of high school. It went Trevor Laws

514
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Speaker 2: justin fields in this class, Xavier Thomas some dude at

515
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Speaker 2: four and then Micah Parsons at five.

516
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Speaker 4: That's some dude. Yes, he keeps showing up.

517
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Speaker 2: Well, if you can sign some dude, you might might

518
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Speaker 2: have something there that'd be a good undrafted seeing And

519
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: by the way, Xavier Thomas on Michah Parsons, because they're buds. Quote,

520
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: we always competed against each other, but we always had

521
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: the same abilities in regards to how he played his

522
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Speaker 2: position and how I played mine. Yes, I'd say that's

523
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Speaker 2: worth a fifth round pick to find out.

524
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Speaker 4: I said in my mailbag. It's funny you bring him

525
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 4: up because somebody said, well, he was kind of insulting

526
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Speaker 4: you a little bit, Paul, and it was about nick

527
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: names and stuff, and he's like, how about we find

528
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Speaker 4: out who your player to watch? Is this training camp

529
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Speaker 4: or whatever? And I, however else I might have answered that.

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Speaker 2: Sure that was in Danny under like a pseudonym.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say break.

532
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Speaker 3: I have fun with it, Paul. I enjoy it right.

533
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Speaker 2: By the way, the early returns, the POLYPIXI and Breakout

534
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Speaker 2: Player Camp. Right now, I'm leaning towards one of the

535
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Speaker 2: two Xaviers, Savior Thomas or the undrafted receiver Savior Weaver. I.

536
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Speaker 4: But I said in there, I'm like, out of all

537
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Speaker 4: the draft picks that I mean, again, Marvin Harrison is

538
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison. It's that's no fun to actually say your

539
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 4: first round pick. But Xavier Thomas is a guy that A,

540
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Speaker 4: for all the reasons you've mentioned, is intriguing, and B

541
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Speaker 4: there seems to be some opportunity there because no one

542
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: else who plays there has really seized upon it per se.

543
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Speaker 4: So that's a guy that I'm going to watch closely,

544
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Speaker 4: and we're not. Here's the other thing, and this is

545
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Speaker 4: a warning. More than a week out of rookie Mini

546
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Speaker 4: camp and then the beginning of all the offseason work

547
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: on the field for in Phase three and Mini, in

548
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: the regular mini camp and all that stuff, we're not

549
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 4: gonna know anything about these guys. We're not going to

550
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Speaker 4: know until deep into training camp. So we're not going

551
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: to be able to sit here and say, after three

552
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: weeks of off season work, yeah, Xavier Thomas, it looks awesome.

553
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: You mean you mean to be irresponsible for me to

554
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: say that saving Collins would play the rundowns and then

555
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: here comes Xavier Thomas on a sub package, on a

556
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: passing down.

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Speaker 4: That's the first possible If you said that, you probably

558
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 4: get fired. But besides that, I would say that you

559
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: probably aren't gonna know for sure.

560
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Speaker 3: Okay, I will say too of Xavier Thomas's story of

561
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: kind of just being hit hard by COVID physically and

562
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: mentally and sharing that story, and something that awesome Fort

563
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: touched on in his post draft press conference was just

564
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: his ability to prove that he can come back and

565
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: that the ceiling is high. And when you're looking at

566
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Speaker 3: other draft picks, which I know it's really only looking

567
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Speaker 3: at one year, the players at this front office has

568
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: kind of taken a bit of a chance on whether

569
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: that is something along these lines of kind of proving

570
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: that you can come back or coming off an injury

571
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: like again at Williams, like a Michael Wilson. I mean,

572
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: look at the upside that their research and all of

573
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: the steps they've done throughout that process has paid off

574
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Speaker 3: for them.

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Speaker 2: For those who aren't familiar with Xavier Thomas. In addition

576
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Speaker 2: to being one of the nation's highest rated recruits, he

577
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: was a freshman All American at Clemson, won a national title,

578
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: and they went into year two and to hear him

579
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: tell it, he did a lot of stories and I

580
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: read a few of them and he just said, you

581
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: know what, I had a lot of yes men around me.

582
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: Year two, he said, I thought I was three years

583
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: in out. I was gonna be a first round pick.

584
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Speaker 2: COVID hit Danny and then he had a tough time

585
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: when he got COVID, he was out of football, had

586
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: a tough time with it, and was really open about

587
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: how he battled some depression, definitely battled weight. Game said

588
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: he was over three hundred pounds. He plays around two

589
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: forty five. He's over three hundred pounds. In fact, Dabo

590
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: Sweeney to USA Today said, within the last year, I'm

591
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: super proud of xt. They call him Xavier Thomas because

592
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: he got to a place that a lot of people

593
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: don't recover from. He was in a very dark place,

594
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: but he communicated and sought out help. And Xavier Thomason

595
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: been very open about how everyone no one should hesitate

596
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: to do exactly that that's what he did, and he benefited.

597
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Speaker 3: From it absolutely. I do think it was interesting seeing

598
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: the remnants of the COVID years in the draft this year,

599
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Speaker 3: of how many of these picks have been in college

600
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Speaker 3: for five or six years, of these extra years of eligibility,

601
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Speaker 3: and how mature these players are, how many of them

602
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: not only have decrees but have their masters because of

603
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: how long they were in college, which Austinport said was

604
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: not an intentional pattern, It just kind of happened that way.

605
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Speaker 2: Two of my best friends growing up, Matt and Adam,

606
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Speaker 2: I texted them. I said, you guys each spent eight

607
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: years a piece at San Jose State. Too bad. I

608
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with COVID, had to do with

609
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 2: other reasons. It took you guys eight years at San

610
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Speaker 2: Jose State to get your bachelor's And we won't go

611
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Speaker 2: into the details of why that was so.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know what we were talking about people were

613
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Speaker 4: hanging around with Paul, is that you want to go

614
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Speaker 4: into anything.

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of these guys. I was able to

616
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Speaker 2: overcome my surroundings, right, it was over, you know, able

617
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Speaker 2: to get away from those bad influences. Sorry man man so,

618
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Speaker 2: and now I try and overcome. You know the crew

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Speaker 2: I'm with here on Cardinals coming by Pacific Office Automation.

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Speaker 4: I walked right in.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've gone entirely too long without talking about

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Speaker 2: tip Ryman picked number eighty two, round three overall.

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Speaker 3: Danny, I'm not gonna say this, but I called it, Paul,

624
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Speaker 3: did I not.

625
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Speaker 4: Somebody's not watching your video. I did.

626
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Speaker 3: I had tight end as one of my top sneaky offensive.

627
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Speaker 4: Priority draft primer. Paul, I say, h learn it.

628
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Speaker 3: The offense that has run and how often the Cardinals

629
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Speaker 3: were in twelve or thirteen personnel, which was thirty two

630
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Speaker 3: percent of the time, most in the NFL. I did

631
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Speaker 3: not know me right that they lost their blocking tight

632
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Speaker 3: end and Jeff Swain who got hurt last year, and

633
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Speaker 3: they did not re sign in free agency. And this

634
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: is what tip Ryman brings you, is your blocking tight end.

635
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: He himself a maler. He said that he likes to

636
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: put his hands on people and control where they go.

637
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, hello, that sounds amazing. That's exactly what you

638
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: want out of a blocking tight end. I'm not sure

639
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: yet what the plan will be in terms of if

640
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: he is your number two pass catcher from that room,

641
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: that might be an Elijah Higgins and the role that

642
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: he grows into. Rayman didn't really have a lot of

643
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: those opportunities in college, so it'll be interesting to see

644
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: how this coaching staff envisions him and how comfortable he

645
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: gets and how that part of his game progresses. But

646
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Speaker 3: to me, this makes a lot of sense with how

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: the Cardinals like to use play action, how they like

648
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: to run the ball, and what you were still missing

649
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: in that tight end room behind treyming Bride.

650
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Speaker 4: When you talk about his receiving ability and what it

651
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: might be and they didn't use him a lot. You're right,

652
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: and I do think he's coming in to be a

653
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: blocker at least for now. But I saw a stat

654
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 4: Apparently there's a way to measure athleticism and they've been

655
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: doing it with through you know, the drills you run

656
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: and everything, and they've been doing it since it was

657
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: either eighty seven or eighty nine, not really sure, but

658
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: there's been a total that they've measured of one thousand,

659
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety nine tight ends that they've put

660
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: through this scale. Tip Ryman is tenth in his athleticism.

661
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: Okay, is this analytic known as the r as I

662
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: think it might be because the director of Football Ops

663
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: and player Personnel at the Shrine Bowl tweeted out the

664
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Cardinals got one of the most underrated tight ends in

665
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: the draft and Tip Ryman among the top athletes a

666
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: tight end.

667
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: Ever, Yes, that's the one, and the Cardinals had a

668
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: lot of representation at these bowl games, Senior Bowl, the

669
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl. And look, I mean, it's not just about

670
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: what you can see on film. It's how coachable you

671
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: are and how you handle yourself. And it looks like

672
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: having those experiences not as necessarily a direct correlation, but

673
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: I would imagine gave the support and validation that maybe

674
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: the scouting department was seen.

675
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

676
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: Drew Terrell, the Cardinals wide receivers coach, was THEOC at

677
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: the Shrine Game, so he got a whole week with him,

678
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, on the field behind the scenes, which Cardinals

679
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: consider ultra important. Anyway, this director of Football Ops went

680
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: on to say that he's a super unique and still

681
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: as sending tight end. Think about it. He was a

682
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: walk on it Illinois and ended up a team captain.

683
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: And there was another next gen stat athleticism score for

684
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: just this year had him ready to ahead of brock

685
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 2: Bauers the thirteenth pick overall. So in terms of intrigue, now,

686
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm not forecasting, Okay, An he's sort of NFL glory.

687
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's the next Gronk or anything.

688
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: I'm just you're not even saying Xavier Thomas.

689
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's gonna get us through the preseason. Okay,

690
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: we didn't get that quarterback. I want it because I

691
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: wanted some quarterback questions at least, if not controversy, something

692
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: to get us through the preseason. But now dudes like this,

693
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: with this unknown upside. I said to Kyle Vanimbosch on

694
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: The Red Sea Report, I said, I'm gonna have to

695
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: dust off my old word jack stomp when it comes

696
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: to Tip Ryman. We're gonna have to use jack stop

697
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: a couple of times.

698
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: We're gonna have plenty of talking points to get us

699
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: through the preseason. Just looking at that running backs room, Paul,

700
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: don't you worry?

701
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And by the way, one last note

702
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: after talking about Tip Ryman, Kyle Vanenbosch and what I

703
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: believe is the ultimate compliment, said, Tip Ryman is the

704
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: kind of guy that if I would have been rookies

705
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: with him in the same camp. I would have fought

706
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: him all the time. I said, what was the over

707
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: under on training camp fights Kyle Van and Bosch right

708
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: as a surly young guy in the NFL and Tip Ryman,

709
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: I said three. He said three, You mean three in

710
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: one practice. So that's good. That's good because we only

711
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: had one training camp fight that merited somebody getting ejected

712
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: last year. It was Elijah Wilkinson against L. J. Collier.

713
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: They had the walk of shame off the field all

714
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: the way yeah, and down the ramp because they were

715
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: on the north side, they had to walk all the

716
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: way down to the south side and down the ramp

717
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: and out. So good man, sorry, yeah, anyway, that was

718
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: so okay. You made the transition Trey Benson.

719
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

720
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: Where does Trey Benson rank in terms of the whole

721
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: intrigue scale?

722
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: Pretty high for me?

723
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: What is it about him? And think about it? You

724
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: want to cram it vertical? We know that that's the

725
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: cardinal style running the ball. Well, you got a guy

726
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: at six foot who was two sixteen at the combine,

727
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 2: two twenty one at his pro Damn curious what he's

728
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: going to play at. But we do know he clocked

729
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: a four three nine forty, one of the fastest among

730
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: all the running backs.

731
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: A little smaller but closer to a James Connor build

732
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: than maybe a Michael Carter, bigger than a Mari de Mercado.

733
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

734
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: He just seems like the type of bulldozing running back

735
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: you would want to have in your room. And I'm

736
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: not saying that as a replacement to Connor in any way,

737
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: who's coming off a thousand rushing yard season despite not

738
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: even playing every game. I just think it's good to

739
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: have some competition and have some options in there, especially

740
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: if if you need to give Connor a break for

741
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: a snap or two, and that would make sure that

742
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: you do not have to make any changes to the

743
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: plays that you are running. I think that there is

744
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: opportunity for Trey Benson to kind of work his way

745
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: up the depth chart in that room. And I think

746
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 3: it's good to have competition in that running backs room,

747
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: whether that's you know, up in your blocking ability or

748
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: the way you're running downhill, whatever that might be. I

749
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: like this though. I like that you still have some

750
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: versatility with how these backs are in that room. Of

751
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: Michael Carter again, being a little more agile, more slippery,

752
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: Demarcado being your you're blocking running back more so. But

753
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: I do think that there is opportunity for Trey Benson

754
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 3: to work his way up det depth chart.

755
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean, not only is he running between the tackles,

756
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: he's a home run hitter. Some of those chunk runs

757
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: he's ripping off.

758
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 4: And if you're watching on video, we have some of

759
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: this stuff. But I will I will say he's barely

760
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: touched in most of these highlights. So I'd like to

761
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: see what happens when he actually has come on.

762
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: Darren that's because he's getting to the edge.

763
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: Said he's got to get past.

764
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: Might have been against Apple, no State, no doubt.

765
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 4: That he's a home run hitter. But again, you're going

766
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: to be dealing with defenders that aren't gonna You're not

767
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: gonna have these.

768
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: Gaps, I said earlier, Say it again. You know you're

769
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: getting a steady die to James Connor. Right, you're a defense.

770
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: And then they bring in the rookie who runs the

771
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: four to three nine at over two hundred and twenty

772
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: pounds and he's got fresh legs, those rookie legs. That's

773
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: the last thing you want to see as a defender.

774
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: That's Marvin Halt wearing down a defense in the second half.

775
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior with forty eight catches as a rookie

776
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: because they're running for like three thousand.

777
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Yards, right, so don't upset the fan based air and.

778
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: They're still riding the high a bad anyway.

779
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: I would never do that.

780
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Trey Benson average veteran six yards of carrying College Kyle

781
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Vannibosh had a great study, had like ten touchdown runs

782
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: of over thirty yards a piece, so okay, a home

783
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: run hitter indeed, So you know he's gonna get plenty

784
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: of carries in the preseason. So there's that, and then

785
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: there's who's blocking for him and Isaiah Adams. This is interesting.

786
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Didn't I never heard of this guy? I'm guessing most

787
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: people have never heard of an Illinois offensive lineman.

788
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: I did, but that's because I did a thousand mock drafts.

789
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: Okay, six four three point fifteen, it'll turn twenty four

790
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: in July. Two time honorable mention all Big ten. His

791
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: coach describes him as quote a jerk on game days.

792
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: All right, once again, the pattern you're finding that pattern,

793
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: that kind of guy who's ultra mentally tough.

794
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: That's why I described Darren.

795
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: But you know, don't you sit next to him in

796
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: the press box?

797
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, all right and the radio booth.

798
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: Have you next next contract negotiations, you need to negotiate

799
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: for hazard paye sit next to Darren on game, especially

800
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: if we go to an eighteen game season. In fact,

801
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: more on the eighteen game season a little bit later.

802
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: Remind me to talk about that.

803
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: Fast of all we're at all the games, whether they

804
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 4: they're counter or they don't.

805
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: Were there, Yeah, but you have that little extra edge

806
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: on regular season games at count tough beffare. So Isaiah Adams,

807
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: like Darren, displays the force and attitude teams look for

808
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: as a block finisher. So it's I just love the description.

809
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: One more possesses possesses an enticing blend of girth and athleticism.

810
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: Now that's well written.

811
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: I like that. I do find I thought the isaiahs

812
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: of Isaiah Simmons. Oh almost slipped there. Hell Isaiah Adams.

813
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: I found he is kind of Isaiah Adams because he's

814
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: played guard and pull tackles over the years.

815
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: That means it gets to stay on the next bingo card.

816
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Don't make me break that out again.

817
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 4: But I feel like the the analysts were all over

818
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: the map with him. There are some that was like, oh,

819
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: I really like this pick, and other ones like that's

820
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: a terrible pick. There was like forty two guards they

821
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 4: should have picked in front of them.

822
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: Okay, funny you say that because you know who was

823
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: on the board drafted two picks later by the dreaded Cowboys,

824
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: cooperb Bbie, the two time Big twelve offensive lineman of

825
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: the Year out of k State.

826
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: But I'm going to say this, why why would the

827
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: Cardinals take Adams over bb if they weren't convicted that

828
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: Adams was better than bb especially that close. Like what

829
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: bothers me about some of the Monday morning quarterbacking. I

830
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: guess you could call, though it was usually happening in

831
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 4: the moment, like everybody doesn't have him graded the same. Yeah,

832
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: there were people that had BB up there, you know,

833
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: from where I was looking ahead of time from the outside,

834
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: that seemed like it would make sense. But we don't

835
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: know how they're grading. And here's the other part that

836
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 4: we don't know everybody. I understand Cooper bb was whatever

837
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: he was, he was two time Big twelve offensive Lineman

838
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 4: of the Year or whatever. But like when we talk

839
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: about the pattern that we were just talking about, we

840
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: don't know what kind of conversations Cooper bb might have

841
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: had with the Cardinals compared to Isaiah Adams.

842
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: You're right now, if.

843
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: They were anywhere close as players, maybe that was a

844
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: tipping point.

845
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: By the way, Jim Nagy, the Senior Bowl director, switeted

846
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: two days before the draft, are our top offensive sleeper

847
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: this year is Illinois guard tackle Isaiah Adams. This is

848
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 2: before the draft, and he said there's been very little

849
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: buzz about Adams, which is surprising after he made it

850
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: look easy at times against top one hundred d lineman

851
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. My comp for him is former

852
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: pro bowler Jonah Jackson, who the Lions stole in round

853
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: three a few years ago. Okay, all right, once again,

854
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: just the intrigue factor.

855
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 4: Thank you, the intrigue factor, because you're you're sliding into

856
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: the grades. Thing that we talked to the very top

857
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: and we don't.

858
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: Know, so we talked about the other offensive lineman as well.

859
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, go ahead, that's a fun story.

860
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: Why because he's from Texas.

861
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 3: The fact that he what was he didn't play football

862
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: till at what point in high school? Yeah, a six

863
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: to three soccer player.

864
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pert and he kind of acknowledged that

865
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: he wasn't exactly a svelt six three eager. I was

866
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: trying to imagine him being on the soccer field.

867
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: And the way he tells the story is he enters

868
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: high school as a freshman, he's one of the biggest

869
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: dudes on campus as a fresh football coach. Of course,

870
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: it's Texas yells out from across Hey, what's your name

871
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: and why aren't you playing football? And he said, oh,

872
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: because I'm a soccer player. I'm going to be on

873
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: the national team. The coach looked at him and, according

874
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: to Chris Jones, said yeah, when that doesn't work out,

875
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: come find me and we'll get you some football pads.

876
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: And then a year later he went and found the

877
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: football coach because it wasn't working it.

878
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 3: And then he played in forty eight of the forty

879
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: nine games for the Longhorns. And I liked the quote

880
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: he had when he was talking to the media and

881
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: his press conference call was saying how they might be

882
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: better than me today, but they won't be better than

883
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: me next week.

884
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Good stuff that was good.

885
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: And again, what does that go to? To me? That

886
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 4: goes to the pattern and the kind of player that

887
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: they want and the hunger and all that stuff.

888
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: Well, once again, you know you have a pretty stacked

889
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: old line room. I mean, you know, of all these rookies,

890
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: it's be pretty tough for Chris Jones to crack that room,

891
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: don't you think I started?

892
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: When you look at cornerback and you look at offensive line,

893
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: somebody's getting released now you might not think is getting released,

894
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: whether it's a draft pick or somebody who's already on

895
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: the roster because they've got too many offensive linemen and

896
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 4: they're gonna have too many cornerbacks and somebody with a

897
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: recognizable name, at least for us because we're on a team,

898
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: is going to not make it because it's just impossible.

899
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: Someone like a Christian Jones. To me, I don't know

900
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: that it's realistic to expect him to be your swing

901
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: tackle and win that competition over at Calvin Beacham in

902
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: year one or your two. To me, this seems like

903
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: more of that two or three year development, not necessarily project,

904
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: but working through those couple of years of really fine

905
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: tuning the skill set and what you're looking for and

906
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: kind of more in that realm. Look, the question mark

907
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: to me that I don't know we're ever going to

908
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: get answered until we see him out in the field

909
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: at training camp is where the heck is John Gain's

910
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: gonna fit?

911
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: Right?

912
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: Is he going to be your backup center behind yell

913
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: to Frohold after you signed Evan Brown in the off season?

914
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Is he going to go out to guard? He's rehabbing

915
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: his ACL still, so he's not been doing he hasn't

916
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: been doing the full strength and conditioning program of phase

917
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 3: one and now we're entering phase two. I am, I'm

918
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: John Gaines' answer.

919
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: I do can't remember the last time Danny pounded the

920
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: table like she just did. I've noticed the elevated is uraging.

921
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: Well, he had earned that second. You know, he was

922
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: your backup center until he tour his ACL in the

923
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: final preseason game last year.

924
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: Danny, we're in the trust tree, right. How many times

925
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: have you been stymied in your pursuit of information on

926
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: John Gaines?

927
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: I think maybe twice. Maybe I've only asked it once.

928
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I'll take the ITEAM investigation off Darren and

929
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: we'll put it on John Gaines. Is that what you want?

930
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: You want us to get to the bottom of this

931
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: one where exactly he is in the rehab and where

932
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: he stands on the depth chart. So what you're saying

933
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: we need.

934
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: But if you again, if you flip and we're talking

935
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: about offensive line, but let's flip to the cornerbacks for

936
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: a minute.

937
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.

938
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: I mean they just drafted three cornerbacks and a safety

939
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: who could play some nickel. Maybe ye. You know what

940
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: if you're Garrett Williams and Starling Thomas and key Trell Clark.

941
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, it's extremely real. Well for at least

942
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Key Troll Clark and Starling Thomas.

943
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, I Garrett Williams, Garretwlliams made this team.

944
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Bought bought dot dot dot. What if Garrett Williams is

945
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: one of your best outside corners because rabbit can play

946
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: the slot, can play nickel.

947
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: That's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

948
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: That's the way it works out. It's intriguing. I know

949
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com. Maybe it was Chad Ruter my three

950
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: best picks in each round, blah blah blah. So the

951
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: one Arizona Cardinal who was named it was out around

952
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: four was Dadrian Taylor Demerson, otherwise known as Rabbit. And

953
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: by the way, his former trainer at Texas Tech is

954
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: now the Cardinals trainer Drew And when I referenced him

955
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: passing him by in the hallway over draft weekend, I

956
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: named him Dadrian Taylor Demerson. He looked at me and said,

957
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: you mean Rabbit. So he really is known as Rabbit.

958
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: So get used to that. I know, I'm trying to

959
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: totally trying.

960
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: This coaching staff, this front office clearly wants to see

961
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: competition in that cornerback's room. Drafted three.

962
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: And by the way, Rabbit ran a four to four

963
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: to one, which was the fastest buy his safety at

964
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: the combine. Rabbit like, and you know, he started a

965
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: bunch of games. However, he was an offensive player until

966
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: the last three years he was a running back, and

967
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: so they say he still has a ceiling in terms

968
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: of him being able to evolve as a defender.

969
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: My favorite story from Rabbit when he called was he

970
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: was talking about when he transitioned at Texas Tech and

971
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: they said, we want you to go play defense, and

972
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: he said, are you kidding? He goes, have you seen

973
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 4: my offensive tape, and I'm like that good is the best,

974
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: and I'm I am proud that he would be willing

975
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: to admit that, Yes, I did not want to move

976
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: and I was trying desperately not to move.

977
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. Well, yeah, he said he'd played offense

978
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: his whole life until Texas Tech because he had started

979
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: somewhere else and then he transferred to Tuas.

980
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: State and a new coach came in, he got offered

981
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: a scholarship. A new coach came in before even started

982
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, we're not going to offer you that

983
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 4: scholarship anymore, which I know happens, and I just think

984
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: that's one of the worst things ever is a guy

985
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: gets offered a scholarship and there's some kind of coaching

986
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 4: change or whatever, and then they withdraw the scholarship offer.

987
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what that would be like for

988
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: a kid. I just thought I mentioned that.

989
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: But when when you look at least his measurables, he's

990
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: very similar. It appears in the type of safety that

991
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: a Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker would be, So I

992
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: can see why they targeted him and they valued him

993
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: if they like their safeties and arguably it's the best

994
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: pair of safeties in the NFL. Then you know what,

995
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: you get someone who sort of has that similar look

996
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: and you could plug and play and interchange. You know,

997
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: him in there, even as a rookie. So I'm curious

998
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: once again the intrigue as to how much he can

999
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: push the issue and get playing time early in this camp.

1000
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: But what he looks like in coverage, obviously that's going

1001
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: to be a big one, you know. And the whole

1002
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: slot corner nickel corner thing is tough because you get

1003
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: caught in the wash in the traffic and you're in

1004
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: the box and can you handle it and can you

1005
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: avoid the big hit? Now, Tyron Matthew was excellent at that,

1006
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: but then after the knee injury, wasn't quite as quick

1007
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: a foot and sometimes they would get a guy in

1008
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: motion out of the slot and they would put him

1009
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: in space, and then there are a lot of chunk throws,

1010
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: which is one of the reasons that he ended up

1011
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: changing teams and he ended up changing roles in the NFL.

1012
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: But at a four four one forty for a rabbit

1013
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: and as a rookie, okay, there you go. Now, as

1014
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: for now. One guy I haven't done a ton of

1015
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: intel on is Elijah Jones. So someone helped me out.

1016
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: He's the final third round pick, number ninety overall bc BC.

1017
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: I know he's six one and a half. I don't

1018
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: know much else other than that, Elijah Jones. What do

1019
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: we know.

1020
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 4: I think he's playing a lot of games. You know,

1021
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 4: he's He's a guy he's not gonna be I mean

1022
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 4: Max Melton, who was their second round pick, is the

1023
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 4: cornerback that you would think would make the big push

1024
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: to start with Murphy Bunting. Sure, but I thought Elijah Jones.

1025
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I it's noticeable. I mean, he's a guy

1026
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: that like piqued my interest. And the other part about

1027
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 4: this whole draft and Jones is a great way to

1028
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: get into this conversation because he was the last third

1029
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: round pick. Correct. Yes, when we got to the end

1030
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: of the second day, the Cardinals were through seven picks.

1031
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: That's a normal draft, which, by the way, I felt like,

1032
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: I was like, I've been through a whole draft. I've

1033
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 4: gone through enough players. I don't need to come back Saturday.

1034
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: I mean I did need to come back Saturday, but

1035
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.

1036
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: Well, you had five to go.

1037
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: But that's when because they had so many picks, especially

1038
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: in the third round, you forget that they had so

1039
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: many picks in the third round. I mean, any other year,

1040
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: if you're talking about a third round pick, you're talking

1041
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: about a guy that you're expecting to contribute sooner rather

1042
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: than later. And they got four of those guys.

1043
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: The story JG told the media was that when they

1044
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: had Elijah Jones in the room and they had some

1045
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: video cute up up and that they didn't even play it.

1046
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: They didn't even hit play. And he looked, he could

1047
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: see the scoreboard, who they are playing, the time of

1048
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: the game, the situation, and he immediately said, oh, yeah,

1049
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: that play. And he started talking about that play and

1050
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: they said it reminded them of Garrett Williams. And the

1051
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: story on Garrett Williams was he was the final interviewee

1052
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: of that day at the combine. They'd done like forty interviews.

1053
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: Here comes Garrett Williams, Maniasabor Johnathan again and tell the story.

1054
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: They're dragging and they're kind of slumped in their seats

1055
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: going through some initial questions with Garrett Williams, and all

1056
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: of a sudden they're like, whoa, this kid's blown us away.

1057
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: Pretty soon they're on the edge of their seat. And

1058
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: after the fifteen minutes, so like we got to get

1059
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: another visit with this guy. And that led them to

1060
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: drafting Garrett Williams. And they said Elijah Jones reminded them

1061
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: in that way that he's a thinking man's corner Plus

1062
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: he's six to one and a half and he's able

1063
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: to run so okay, and looking at.

1064
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: A couple of highlights, he looks like who you'd want

1065
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: there at Corncock. Yeah, but again, because we're talking about

1066
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 4: third round picks and second round picks. I mean, we

1067
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: can talk all day about Harrison and Darian Robinson, who

1068
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: were the first round picks, and they're the most sexy,

1069
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: but like who they got on that second day. You

1070
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 4: got two cornerbacks and Jones and Max Melton and we

1071
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 4: haven't even talked much about Melton, but you know, and

1072
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: how they ended up there. But you know, there's a

1073
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: lot of people that think he can be pretty good.

1074
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 4: And then of course you got Danny's guy, Trey Benson

1075
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: and and and Tip Ryman, and it's all of a sudden,

1076
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 4: it's like you can you could see Roles for these guys,

1077
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: and and you know you're gonna need guys to play,

1078
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: you know, as if you're watching the video, you see

1079
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: Melton here, and it's like even Marvin Harrison was like,

1080
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: I respect that guy's game right after he got taken.

1081
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: I would love to know for sure if he respects

1082
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: him or if he was just being nice because he

1083
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 4: played against him. But you know, this was a position

1084
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 4: that needed to be addressed. And I know there's a

1085
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 4: lot of people out there that we're like, why didn't

1086
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: you stay at thirty five and take kool Aid or

1087
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: Cooper Dejean or whatever, and instead you get Max Mountain.

1088
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: But my point is we don't know where they had

1089
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: all these guys. And if you had Cool McKinstry and

1090
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: the last Kid and Max Meltin and they all got

1091
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: grades like between seventy seven and seventy nine, then you

1092
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: just say we'll move back because one of them will

1093
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 4: be there. And one of them was.

1094
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: And you can see by some of these tackles he

1095
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: doesn't hesitate to come up in run force, which is

1096
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: a must.

1097
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: With Johnathan Getz, you got to have that.

1098
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, that's that's once again the

1099
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: price of admission with your head coach. He used to

1100
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: be a corner's position coach, but then again, he's five

1101
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: to eleven point eighty seven. He runs a four three

1102
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: nine forty, one of the faster corners at the combine,

1103
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: and he's ultra confident. You remember what he told the media, right,

1104
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: he said, I'm a lockdown corner. I can lock down anybody.

1105
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: So you need the speed and you need the confidence

1106
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: if you're a corner. And then okay, from there you

1107
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: try and figure out what exactly. And he said on

1108
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: meeting Jonathan Gannon in the thirty visit that quote, I

1109
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: knew within two minutes that I would fit with this

1110
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: head coach, and he said, I hoped that this would

1111
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: be my head coach. So apparently the feeling was me.

1112
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like a little bit of that swag from

1113
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: a dB, right. I know we were talking about liking

1114
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: the humility from Marvin Harrison Junior as a wide receiver,

1115
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: but there's a fine line of confidence and cockiness, and

1116
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 3: that to me still says more of the confidence and

1117
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: believing in yourself and what you can do, and I

1118
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 3: kind of want that in a dB. You gotta have

1119
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: a little little feistiness to you.

1120
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 4: Have you ever met a dB that doesn't No, that's.

1121
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: The point, by the way, when when somebody asked him

1122
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: about the Marvin Harrison Junior, you know games he went

1123
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: against the Cardinal's first round pick. And last year it

1124
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: was twenty twenty three, Marvin Harrison Junior had four catches

1125
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: for twenty five yards against Rutgers. Now he had two touchdowns,

1126
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: but Max Bellen quickly said it he only had one

1127
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: of those catches against me. So he made that known

1128
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: to the media. And by the way, two years ago

1129
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: in twenty two, he had three block kicks and I

1130
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: ran into one of the coaches and I asked him

1131
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: about that, and they said, you know, there's plenty of

1132
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: fast guys who can get there, but you have to

1133
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: have a knack to actually get your hand on the

1134
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: ball and actually execute the block. And Max Melton told

1135
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: the media and asked about special teams, said yeah, I

1136
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 2: play special teams. Said no, no, I really play special teams.

1137
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 2: I don't go through the motions like I take it seriously.

1138
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about speaking of special teams. The

1139
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: fact that one of these undrafted free agents that the

1140
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: Cardinals signed Paul was a special teamer just for you.

1141
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Long snapper Joe Shimco, North Carolina State, and yes, I

1142
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: was reading that off.

1143
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: They released Matt Hembro, Yes.

1144
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: He did, because until then they had three long snappers.

1145
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: Well, Hembro had been hurt.

1146
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hembro has been hurt. But I mean, and even

1147
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: technically right now, Shimco still hasn't signed because he's got

1148
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 4: to pass his physical, so they never had three.

1149
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, by the way. And then they

1150
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: got Miles Murphy, a d lineman out of North Carolina.

1151
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: Not to be confused with the Miles Murphy defensive lineman

1152
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 4: out of Clemson who plays in the NFL. Yeah, that

1153
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 4: is spelled exactly the same and very disappointing him.

1154
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I did do a double take on that. It

1155
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: was a long draft weekend and we got to the

1156
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: undrafted guys. I'm like, wait what, Yeah, I'm like, okay,

1157
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: it was the same way, all right. But Xavier Weaver

1158
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: out of Colorado very interesting. I mean, he's got a

1159
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: huge following, by the way, like people really react to him.

1160
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: I sent out a few things about him, really crazy reaction.

1161
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: I mean the video that I ripped off someone and

1162
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: retweeted got over sixty thousand views. So apparently he ran

1163
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: a four four seven at a thirty seven inch vertical

1164
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: at his pro day. He spent four years at the

1165
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: University of South Florida and then his final year at

1166
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Colorado last year, and he actually led the Buffs with

1167
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: sixty eight catches over nine hundred yards receiving, and he

1168
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: apparently wasn't the favorite target of Dion Sun at quarterback,

1169
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: but he still made it work. And but yeah, you

1170
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: watch some of his video, You're like, this dude, as

1171
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: at least he's equipped to come in and compete. You

1172
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: would think between him and Tejon Palmer.

1173
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: Again, another position where there's gonna be a lot of

1174
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: bodies and a lot of competition to fill out the

1175
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: depth chart, and it'll be wide open. I mean again,

1176
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison's on this team, of course, Michael Wilson is

1177
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: on this team. Of course. Beyond that, I'm not. I

1178
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: think Greg Dorch is gonna be here, but I I

1179
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 4: think he's gonna have to win something.

1180
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 2: By the way, I think the only pick we haven't

1181
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: talked about specifically is the other first round pick, Darius Robinson.

1182
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: M I Z Paul, what's the deal with the whole.

1183
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: So if you're a lums, it's m I z why Okay,

1184
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: all right, a little bit disdain from Darren over there,

1185
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: all right? So, uh, miss Miszoo tell us about Darius Robinson.

1186
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: Another great first impression from the way he carried himself

1187
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: around the media. To me, this is the type of

1188
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 3: dog that this coaching staff is looking for, that mentality.

1189
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: He's got the size, he's got the arm length, he's

1190
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: got the motor, he's got the passion that Jag likes

1191
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: to have in his defenders, especially up front. There was

1192
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: a clip I believe it was the presser out in

1193
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Detroit right after he was drafted, where somebody asked about

1194
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: his process and the details to which Robinson was talking about.

1195
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: Every day of Sunday was about watching film, getting the

1196
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: massage and lifting. Monday was about watching the pass game

1197
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 3: from the upcoming opponent, Tuesday was about the run game,

1198
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: and Wednesday, like, it was so detail oriented that you

1199
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: believe Robinson when he tells you he considers himself a

1200
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: technician with this game. In the joint press conference Friday

1201
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: here in Tempe with the two first round picks, it

1202
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: was asked to the two of them, what do you

1203
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: like to do in your free time? And I thought

1204
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: it it was a little not surprising, but you know,

1205
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: Harrison was saying, you can tell he's more of a quiet,

1206
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: introverted person of I really just kind of like to

1207
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: hang out of my apartment and watch movies. And Robinson

1208
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: was saying, I mean, for me, it's still football. That's

1209
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: what I like to do it it's football, and it's

1210
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: being in the community. Because Robinson, I mean, like Paris

1211
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: Johnson Junior started his own foundation in college supporting underserved families,

1212
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: which I think is pretty cool and fits the culture

1213
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: and the mold that they're looking for in these in

1214
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: these players. But I thought that, okay, it makes sense.

1215
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: They want players who love ball, and it's very clear

1216
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: that d Rob loves ball and he has the versatility.

1217
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: He spent the first four years at Miszoo on the

1218
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: inside and then moved out to the outside. This last

1219
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: year racked up some pretty impressive stats of like fourteen

1220
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: tackles for loss of like the forty three or forty

1221
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 3: eight tackles. He had eight and a half sacks. So

1222
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: I think that versatility is also very intriguing and attractive

1223
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: to this coaching staff.

1224
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean that closing speed he just showed right there

1225
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: against Florida off the edge. Right, here's a guy who

1226
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: played his first three years on the interior. They asked

1227
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: him move outside. He did, ended up First team All SEC.

1228
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: So you can see why the Cardinals were attracted to

1229
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: him because they value that versatility and defensive lineman. They've

1230
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: said that repeatedly. They showed that last year. I mean,

1231
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: just look at all the different State run three man fronts,

1232
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: four man fronts, five man fronts that were third and

1233
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: long obvious passing situations where nobody had a hand in

1234
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: the dirt guys are walking around. I mean, they did

1235
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: anything and everything in terms of scheme with their defensive lineman.

1236
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: Now you got a guy who's ultra intelligent. Plus he's

1237
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: sixty five two eighty five. Could put on more weight

1238
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: if needed, he said. And then when he came into

1239
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: the radio studio and we did a one on one interview,

1240
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: I asked him, all right, every single player has something

1241
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: in their skin of report that they take issue with.

1242
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: What was it for you? He said, You know what,

1243
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: I didn't like the fact everyone made a big deal

1244
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: about my senior bawl week where he was voted Player

1245
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: of the Week practice player of the Week. He said,

1246
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: as if like I turned it on for that week. No,

1247
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: that's me every week. So I thought that was an

1248
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: interesting beef he had.

1249
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: It's that is interesting. I will he's a guy that

1250
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: it felt like, and circling back to where we were

1251
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 4: at the very beginning, there's there's been a lot of

1252
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 4: different opinions on the grade the Cardinals get for taking

1253
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson in the first round, and it'll be interesting

1254
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: to see where it goes. But again, and I was

1255
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: thinking this before the draft. I think we talked about it,

1256
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: like when you start getting to twenty two, twenty three,

1257
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: twenty four and beyond. If you go look in the

1258
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 4: draft every year, it is very hit and miss in

1259
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: that range from like those last seven to ten picks

1260
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: of the first round are you don't know what you're

1261
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 4: gonna get, which is weird because I don't know if

1262
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 4: the if the hit rates any better at the beginning

1263
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: of the second round or not. But it'll be fascinating

1264
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: to see what happens with him. Because you get that

1265
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 4: first round tag on you, the expectations are automatically better.

1266
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 4: People are going to expect Darius Robinson to be a

1267
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 4: better pro for a long time, more than Max Melton

1268
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: because one was in the first round and what was

1269
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: in the second round. That's just reality.

1270
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 2: Well, he was this second interior D lineman drafted after

1271
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy the second so that's quite an honor. And

1272
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 2: you were drafted ahead of guys like Braiden Fisk, who's

1273
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: gonna be in your division. He went to the Rams.

1274
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: Rams end up with Jared Verse, Brayden Fisk, they got

1275
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: Blake Korum, the running back out of Michigan. Rams had

1276
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: themselves a draft from all that, not knowing what to

1277
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: do with the first round, right, without having any experience

1278
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: recent history. Right. But in terms of Darius Robinson too,

1279
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: something that's been cited is he didn't even play football

1280
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: till his junior year of high school, so for five

1281
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: or six years he spent at Miszoo. They still feel like, okay,

1282
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, if he puts on a little bit more weight,

1283
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: if he's more of an interior D lineman. And he

1284
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: said the words obsessed with football more than once and

1285
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 2: describing himself, Okay, what sort of upside is still there

1286
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: on a Darius Robinson.

1287
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: I liked when he was talking about how he got

1288
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 3: his master's degree and Marvin whipped his head around and

1289
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 3: was like a two degrees and his master he was

1290
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Speaker 3: like two degrees, come on, man, yeah, and you could tell.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was fun for them to do that

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Speaker 3: press conference together of Robinson talking about like, I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: on stage next to Marvin Harrison Junior, and of course

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Speaker 3: he's wearing his blinged out cotton bowl ring and that

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Speaker 3: he already had a little fun about Missoo being beating

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Speaker 3: Ohio State there but making clear, okay, well Marvin didn't

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Speaker 3: play in that game, so let's keep that in mind

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Speaker 3: of you know, we were selfishly glad, you know, Miszoo

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Speaker 3: was Dee rob was saying that Harrison did not play

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Speaker 3: in that game.

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Speaker 2: So to come full circle, think of how different this

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01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: d line room looks when you have Justin Jones, Balal Nichols,

1303
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: all j Kyler back and healthy, former first round pick himself,

1304
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson. You had a Mac Wilson who's going to

1305
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: be off the edge at times. Compared to the way

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: you ended last year. When you look on the Cardinals

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: bench in week seventeen and eighteen and you saw a

1308
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: collection ofne Kwon Jones and Ben Stilly and Phil Hoskins.

1309
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: It were just the D and D line stood for decimated,

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be quite a different feel. And look

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: in that D line room and we'll see how it translates,

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, into play, especially in the division where yes,

1313
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: the Rams and Kien Williams and yes, you know Kyle

1314
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: Shanahan in that Niners run game with Christian McCaffrey and

1315
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: the two highly drafted running backs for the Seahawks. How

1316
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: they love to pound the rock in your own division.

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: So there is that.

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Speaker 3: What are we supposed to remind you about before the

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Speaker 3: end of the podcast?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a schedule. Where is it here?

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 4: Did you see the schedule's not out yet? Paul?

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: No, No, the future schedule and how it's gonna look.

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell ended up on the Pat McAfee show and

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: just out of nowhere, casually dropped that quote he is

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: considering moving the Super Bowl right so it falls on

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01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: the Sunday during the three day President's Day weekend. And

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Speaker 2: then he went on to say that he's not a

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: fan of the preseason, which he said repeatedly before, and

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01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: that the time has come for eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Games, So with a second by week.

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: Perhaps some people figure that with two buys it takes

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: you past the President's Day weekend, unless you were to

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: start Labor Day weekend. But with one by in eighteen

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01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: games and you start Labor Day weekend, it would end

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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: up on President's Day weekend. Super Bowl till only one

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01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: buy though, so between President's Day weekend being the future

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: home of the Super Bowl because everybody would have Monday off,

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: it would really make it a superiof in a national holiday.

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: And then and then you would get that eighteenth game

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01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: and eliminate one more preseason game. Now some there's long

1342
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: been speculation and Roger Goodell's heitting at this as well.

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01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: Every single team with eighteen games would have an international game,

1344
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: and then the upside to the NFL will happen. Yeah,

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01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: and then and then most likely Dan, you would have

1346
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: a second buy. It would be in conjunction with your

1347
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: international game.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, we need a there's no.

1349
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: This is where it's all evolving.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, a eighteen games was always where

1351
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 4: it was headed. Yeah, he may have not, we always

1352
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 4: knew that that's what they were trying to get.

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: Where I get itmonished.

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Speaker 4: Of course. The other problem right now, they just signed

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 4: the CBA whenever they signed it, and you cannot go

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 4: to eighteen games without working with the union, and the

1357
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 4: new CBA is in up.

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Speaker 2: Till when March of twenty thirty.

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so yeah, didn't though didn't.

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one when they went to seventeen games.

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Speaker 2: Do they need a new CBA to enact that? Didn't

1362
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: he do that outside the CBA negotiations?

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: No, it was. I think it was part of the

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 4: new I could be wrong, but I think it was

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01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: part of it. And the other part of it is

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: if you now they could I think they have the

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01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 4: option like they did the last time, to end the

1368
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 4: CBA early to reopen negotiations. But if you do that,

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01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: that means you have the threat of the CBA running

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 4: out without an agreement, and then you have work stoppage.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did run into the following, even though you

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: have long term TV deals who are just signed past

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: twenty thirty. There's an opt out for the NFL at

1374
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: the end of the twenty twenty nine season nah to

1375
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: go injunk in conjunction with the CBA that runs out

1376
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: in March of twenty thirty. So Rog he's got it

1377
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: figured in. He's linked everything in here at once, trending

1378
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: towards two thousand and thirty, the TV deals, the CBA,

1379
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: everything else. And by the way, McAfee asked him about,

1380
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, Roger, what's going on Scrooge on you know,

1381
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: Christmas and you know the holidays and everything. Roger Goodell's

1382
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 2: response was, holidays are what we do. I don't ask

1383
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 2: permission for that. We go where the fans are end

1384
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: quote the commissioner on putting games on a Wednesday, Christmas Day.

1385
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: So if you're the NBA in other leagues, guess what

1386
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: because that President's Day weekend, by the way, is also

1387
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: when the NBA always does its All Star weekend and

1388
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: when NASCAR does Daytona. So guess what we're coming. It

1389
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: would be scorched Earth. They're coming for your weekend.

1390
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Speaker 4: So there's that wonder how that would change the combine.

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Speaker 2: But it's coming. The the international game for every single

1392
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: team is coming because then the NFL what they're gonna

1393
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: do is they're gonna sell the international TV packages to

1394
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: the tev've seen in sky Sports and everything else.

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01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 4: The thing about the international game is that's you can

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 4: implement that now, because it would really be easy with

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Speaker 4: seventeen games, because then each team would get eight away,

1398
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 4: eight home, and one international, and then you wouldn't even

1399
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Speaker 4: have to worry about it with eighteen games. Do you

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01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 4: give two international games? Or are you back to where

1401
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 4: somebody gets messed every year?

1402
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: Doesn't Jacksonville already do that? They stay out there for

1403
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 3: two weeks months.

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 4: That's a whole different thing. They got owners, that owner

1405
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 4: soccer team.

1406
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: By the way, there is a chance the Cardinals still

1407
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: get an international game twenty twenty four.

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: Right, schedule release May ten.

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Darren, you should know that. Come on now, Darren, when

1410
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: is schedule release?

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01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 4: They do not have an official date yet.

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 2: Yes they do. We're just not on not on a

1413
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: need to know basically. That's right. They have a date,

1414
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: we just were not aware of it.

1415
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Speaker 4: So mid mid May, Paul, mid May.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, all right, sounds about yeah. So and

1417
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Speaker 2: by the way, remember I talked this last thing and

1418
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: I'll officially shut it. The whole resort fee, you know,

1419
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: user fee, the whole thing fee enacted. You know, there

1420
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: was one that was set up over draft weekend. It

1421
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: just wasn't in the NFL draft because there wasn't any

1422
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: sort of Mondo trade where you know Trey Lance three

1423
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: first round picks or anything. Did you see where the

1424
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: city of Venice enacted a five euro day trip fee

1425
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: for anyone to visit Venice and there were a bunch

1426
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Speaker 2: of tourists protests, people protesting, screaming, you can't impose an

1427
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Speaker 2: entrance fee to a city. All you're doing is transforming

1428
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: your city into a theme park.

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 4: Kind of already is though.

1430
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say there's actually.

1431
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 4: There's too many people in Venice.

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 2: I've never been, but they say there are now officially

1433
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: more hotel beds than there are residents in Venice. So

1434
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 2: tourism is more than just the lifeblood. It's the apparent

1435
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: occupancy of the city at this point. So no real good.

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Speaker 4: There's water there port, you're right, plant.

1437
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: Parm and there's also water. There's also water right here.

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Speaker 2: As we wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought

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