WEBVTT - Episode 11: The Flash 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.560 Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome Tonatives. I am one of your hosts. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.720 Danny fran isn't sitting across from me as always is? 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.440 What's good everybody? One day it's going to be someone else. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.160 One day we're going to be one of us will 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.400 be out and it will be jarring because we won't 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.560 even know just sitting across from this. Well, what's up Drake? 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.920 That's who specifically is going to be joining us. It's 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.280 in my contract. The only guest host that can replace 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:40.120 me as Aubrey Drake Graham. Who would mind be? Who 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.920 do I sound like? What is my ven diagram of? 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.199 Like other hosts or actors that are like me? I 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.000 don't know. Well, what I was going to say is 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.760 that we are joined up top, which we're not always, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.840 but today we have a lovely guest. He is the 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.560 host of Only Stupid Answers and a good friend in 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.400 my heart. Mr Sam Basher, Hello, Thanks for having me. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.400 When I knew that we were doing the flash, I 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.280 was like, literally, Sam, I was actually having like okay morning, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:06.520 like not a great morning. But then you sent me 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.560 a message and I was like, Okay, this week changed 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.880 your whole week. I need to vent some flash frustration, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:21.160 some flash frusties fresh you have been. I mean I 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.960 feel like with me, like everyone knows my brand is 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.559 like dragon ball Z and Goofy movie, but I feel 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.720 like you're the known at least in like the nerd 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.360 community or like the known flash person. Well, I have 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.720 the this isn't good for audio listening tattoos. We'll have 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.440 to get a picture of that and post it. And 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.600 I have a dragon ball Z tattoos. So there you go. Nice. Yeah, No, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.000 it's so when the show came out in for CW, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:47.720 I got into it and I was like on the 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.640 fence because when you saw his all leather running suit, 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.920 You're like, that doesn't make it whatever, that doesn't make 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.280 a lot of sense. But I was like, I'll be 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.240 on board, and right off the bat it was. It 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.080 felt like the perfect mixture of a sci fi but 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.440 also like romance and mystery story. Yeah. So I started 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.760 getting into it, and the show did a really good 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.440 job of actually like picking my interest in like I 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.360 should maybe reading two comics, And actually that TV show 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.320 got me into comics and since then I've had a 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.600 really unhealthy binging habit of like just reading like so 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.280 many graphic novels and series. So I've been I'm up 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.280 to date, and I've been working backwards through a lot 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.000 of series, and so Flash is the reason that I 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.200 am a comic book nerd. Now that is insane, you know, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:22.840 I've heard that from other people, but that that the 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.720 show has actually made them go back and read the comics. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.360 I didn't know that about you, sam Oh. I thought 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.480 you grew up reading these. Can we reschedule? No, I'm 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.360 just kidding no, But that's probably better because you actually 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.400 have a more fresh memory because you've been going back 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.000 and reading all of the comics trying to try. Also, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.760 you didn't, like, you know, come into the show with 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.920 your own baggage. I feel like that's why it's so 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.880 hard for nerds to like anything, because they already have 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.440 their idea of what a perfect X movie is because 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.040 they've read X their whole lives and have dreamed about it. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.399 So when one aspect is all, they're losing their minds. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.720 Oh yeah, especially with Flash. A lot of comic book fans, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.839 for you guys know that like if like someone gets 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.919 a new mantle, they're like, but remember when the other 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.120 person had it, and that will be the like most said. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.080 Thing they'll ever stay in their entire life is about 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.480 that other characters like we get it, we get it, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.760 you like that other person with red hair. It's they're 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.960 the same people basically. Yeah, But like when you look 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.040 at decades and decades, it's like you kind of have 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.400 to take these risks and try something else. I feel like, so, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.720 do you want to get into the history. Yeah, let's 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.400 dip into the history. So the flash created by writer 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:37.119 Gardner Fox and artists Harry Lampert. The original Golden Age 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.760 Flash first appeared in Flash Comics number one in That's 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.560 Back in the Day and Jay Garrick was a college 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.960 student who during a smoke break, accidentally knocks over his 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.120 science experiment in hard water gases whatever what hard water? 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:56.960 Roy Thomas on like Marvel said, he's done like a 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.840 great job of like going back and having to fix 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.960 a lot of the big question mark origin stories for characters, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.040 Like if you watch Jessica Jones season two, they introduced 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.000 a character like named the Wizzard, who was another speedster 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.200 who got it from mongoose blood, which doesn't make any sense. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.760 But with this it doesn't make any sense. What it 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.560 eventually like became was that he had a meta gene 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.960 in his body, Jake Eric and the hard water was irradiated, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.120 so that caused his powers to emerge. But yes, it 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:23.920 does not make a lot of sense. Why that plus 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.159 that equal speedster? Gotcha? Yeah? So he was inspired by Mercury, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.880 the speedy god of Roman mythology, and Geric is even 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.279 called the reincarnation of the god in his first issue, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.119 and he's known as the Scarlet Speedster. That's it. Yeah. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.560 Have you seen what he looked like originally? Hell? Yeah, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.320 it was basically a flash shirt. I mean I would 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.000 have you ever seen anyone wearing that design? There's a 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.520 lot of people who really pull it off, and I 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.760 really did it. But my favorite part of Jay Geric 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.479 is what he eventually got adapted into. For while he 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.760 West who is the third Flash, which we'll talk about him, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.400 but he became more of a mentor to not just Flashes, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.480 but all younger generations. And even if I don't know 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.680 if you guys are Smallville, I understand if you didn't 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.840 because it was kind of garbage, but I rewatched all 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.960 of it. But they made an extension comic and they 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.560 introduced Jake Garrick as the like mentor two younger generations, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.599 because that's a perfect role for him. He's kind of 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.600 like this a perpetual grandpa. And I always enjoy that 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.560 type of characterization in comics. At least it's different from 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.359 someone who was always like chiseled or has a perfect morality. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.120 He's like, no, he's kind of dated, but he just 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.599 has his wife that he cares, his family that he 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.080 loves a lot. Yeah, this one that we're looking at, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.479 he's basically in a long sleeve. You know, it's something 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.680 that you would work out in. I would say it 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.800 looks like a workout tea, very tight with this tin 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.520 his metal top hat with his little golden wings. Yeah. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.640 I feel like I feel like if someone cosplayed as 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.120 this and you didn't know the reference, he'd be like, Oh, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.239 he's doing like a casual flash cosplay. That's cool. Yeah, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.080 the actual flash. Yeah, I've always been a fan of 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.960 that helmet, even though it is silly because in comics, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.040 like I was reading up on recently because Mark Wade 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.160 he did like one of these. He's like one of 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.359 the most important writers for the Flash during Wally, and 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.520 he did a lot for j and for Bart and 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.480 just kind of filling out their lore, but um, they 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.720 started playing around with like the stuff he could use 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.599 with the helmet, and also like how he hit his 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.000 identity because at first he was like public It's like, yeah, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.799 I'm I'm just wearing a hat, like there's no reason 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.440 you shouldn't be able to identify me immediately. But then 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.880 he started like he finally introduced like the shaking of 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.680 his face to hide it. Did y'all see that picture 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.000 of Zoe de Chanelle and it was her without her 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.760 bangs or glasses, And it was like, I never understood 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.239 how people didn't know that Clark Kent was Superman until 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:33.159 I saw this photo. It's uh, I saw that one too, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:38.159 It's crazy. I love it. So the Flash, as we know, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.599 has super speed, which includes ability to run, move, and 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.720 think extremely fast, so he's not just physically fast and 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.640 uses superhuman reflexes to seemingly violate certain laws of physics 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.279 m M. And eventually, like we'll talk about the speed 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.359 force and what that big mess of a concept is. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.840 But Jake Grek originally didn't have that. He was just 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.840 a superpowered person who could just move really fast. Eventually 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.640 he got that and he could move even faster. But 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.599 It's kind of cool because when a comic book writers 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:06.960 just decided to get rid of the speed force to 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.800 simplify some stories, Jay can still be a speedster, which 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.760 is always really cool. He can still he's not as fast, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.520 and since he's an old man, it's kind of sweet 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.400 that he's like, I gotta take a breath, I have to, like, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.200 I have to take a break for a second. But 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.640 that's another element that I enjoy about him being different 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.960 from everybody else. So it seems like, so there's four flashes. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.040 You have Jake Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, and Bart Allen. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.840 So so there are a lot of flashes like instead, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.160 which is interesting because you know, there's been Bruce Wayne forever. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.560 There's been Clark Kent forever. You know, I think the 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.119 closest would be the Robbins that kind of swapped out. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.040 But as far as it makes it interesting that there 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.280 have been so many flashes, yet, you know, there's also 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.960 been a whole bunch of um green lanterns as well. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.040 I was going to say a blank ton, but you know, 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.600 we don't curse family friendly now. We can always bleep 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.520 it out get him out of the way now, Well, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:03.920 I've always been a fan that they can switch it 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.000 out pretty often. Bart I did pick up his run 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.800 like recently, and it's super short. Like people really weren't 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:14.200 on board with bart being for some reason He's so 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.480 that's Barry Allen's grandson, grandson from the future, ram back 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.760 in time, so all the time travel mess that you 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.560 could ever want in a story. But yeah, Barry came next, 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.679 and there's a lot of really cool things that Actually, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.360 there was an article a couple of years ago that 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.120 painted a really good picture of why the Flash is 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.880 so important to comics and actually and sci fi storytelling 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.960 and as a whole, like he's used to introduce a 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:37.000 lot of bigger concepts to comics, like the idea of 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.720 the protegey taking over the mentor's role like he Flashed 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.040 was the first person to do that, introducing the multiverse. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.800 That actually happened between Jay and Barry. And that's such 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.200 a cool story and it's now something they really are 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.839 trying to push as far as the multiverse. Yes, it's 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.520 so cool, and I love the way they do it 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.080 with Jay and Barry because for some reason Barry knows 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.800 about say but it then it becomes so much more convoluted, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.040 like when they kind of consolidate everything. But I do 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.199 like that the Flash has been so important for all 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.319 of that. Yeah. So the first Flash Jay Garrick. This 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.600 was during the Golden Age of comics, so back in 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.680 the forties, and essentially he was also battling crooks and 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.319 Nazi agents, and he was also alongside the Justice Society 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.200 of America. That's what it was called until declining interests 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.640 in superhero comics led to the end of the Golden 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:32.360 Age of comics and the cancelation of the Flash in Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.280 it was sad, but my man Barry. Yeah, so that 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.079 so Barry came in and that was the Silver Age 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.120 of comics. And I would say arguably, no, I'm going 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.439 to get in trouble for this being in the nerd world. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.520 What I have heard from a lot of Flash people 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.720 is I feel like Barry Allen is the majority of 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.280 people's favorite Flash. Depending on your generation. A lot of 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:57.200 people will fight to the death for Wally West because 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.600 we can talk about that, but Barry, I really because 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.200 his origin has been changed in like Flash Rebirthday. If 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:04.760 you watch the Flash show, you know what his origin 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.120 is now. But originally it was so cool that he 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.760 by accident got his powers. Originally, like there's so many 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.040 that's convoluted, but and then he got them, and he 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.080 just chose out of the goodness of his own heart 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.280 to do good things. It wasn't because of a tragedy, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.080 it wasn't because of an obligation to somebody else. He 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.520 just wanted to be a good person. And I feel 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.679 like you just can't do that anymore for some reason, like, oh, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.840 we can't believe the motivation. I feel like it's because 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.680 as humans we can't possibly understand having a kind character 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.320 that would just do something out of the kindness of 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.679 their hearts. I feel like we need to relate to 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.120 them in a way that they have some type of motivation, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.120 you know, or cynicism or something that they're doing it from. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.320 Eventually they do change it so that his mom was 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.480 it's just which I like. I like that idea when 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.640 they got into that with reverse Flash. But it's also 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.880 was nice for just a second to have someone who 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.000 just genuinely wanted to be a good person, had the 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.480 ability to be the best version of himself, and he 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.200 was so if he did, you want to go into win. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.960 Barry got started, So yeah, the Silver Age Flash was 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.120 Barry Allen, a police scientists who gains his superpowers after 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.119 an unlikely running with a lightning bolt in some chemicals. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:16.079 Once again, chemicals and oops, that's that's a teenage mutant 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:22.320 ninja turtles. Uh. And funnily enough, the Jay Garrett Flash 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.240 is even acknowledging Allen's origin tail as a comic book 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.840 character that inspires the new Flash is heroics, and by 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.000 nine Aland was popular enough to get his own comic 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.240 new texts on old characters would launched. A variation of 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.920 the Justice Society was born called the Justice League of America, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.680 which has been the what it's been since. And even 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.680 Jay Garrick was reintegrated into the new continuity in the 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.240 classic Flash of two world story thanks to the concept 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.640 of parallel earths, which that comics love that idea. I 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.160 think media loves the idea that there might be a 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.440 parallel universe because it just it opens the door for 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.600 literally anything, and it you don't have the complications of 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.840 like time travel, of like well what if it had 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.160 to happen before now, or like does that influence the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.480 present or whatnot. It's like, no, it happened it's concurrent, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.839 but also that story gets even more complicated because part 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.640 of that world gets merged back, like Jay Garrick's city, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.240 Keystone City, buries Is Central was like part of our world, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.440 and then magic happened because of a villain, and then 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.800 it was kind of gone. But eventually they just like retcon. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.840 It's just like there's another Earth Earth too, and that's 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.720 where like Jay and your goldename heroes are and we can, 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.040 like the Justice League in the Justiciety always like pair 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.040 up and and work together. But it's so cool that 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.600 Barry was a fan and he literally just wanted to 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.920 copy this fictional air quote fictional character and be more 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.679 like him. I kind of like Barry's cost him a 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.240 little bit more, but I do like Jay's helmet as well, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.160 But I don't know if you could wear that now, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.360 it would totally give him away. Not that not that 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:53.120 Flashes costume doesn't give him away now. So yeah, So 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.680 Barry Allen actually remained the flash forward over thirty years 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.320 and in the comics was romancing his fiance and eventual wife, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.720 who was Iris West, and picking up a young sidekick 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.560 in the form of Iris's nephew, Wally West. Yes, I 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.960 have to say, Wally West is a great flash Kid 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.960 Flash and I U Carmen Infantino was the artist for 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.000 the Flash and I loved his design for Kid Flashes costume. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.800 It's like it's reversed that you got the yellow with 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.920 the giant red lightning bologna and like they recently like 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.920 re upped it for the new for ann Birth. Yeah, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.360 when he brank Wally West's whole story with that, that's 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.559 really convoluted, but they showed it again. It was just 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.880 nice to see because it's so simple but it's so 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.199 iconic at the same time. And it's crazy that Wally's 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.040 origin was like basically mirrored what happened to Barry just 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.960 happened by accident. It gets more convoluted that like lightning 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.760 in chemicals, yes, and it was like in Barry's office, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.959 it was just like, oh no, like lightning snuck through 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.360 a window and hit him. But hey, this is an 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.920 unlucky family. Yes, but they have metal like in there. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.040 I know, like who has like a metal plate in 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.200 their head or something that they're getting struck by lightning? 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.080 This this off did. There was one comic that said 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.760 that Barry subconsciously influenced to that to happen to Wally. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.440 But then I everyone's kind of like it just condoun 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.679 was an accident because it makes it sound like, why 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.199 would you make a kid you go through that. Well, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.600 maybe he wasn't aware, maybe he knew that that was 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.720 going to be his origin. Maybe. But also Wally was 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.080 the head of the Flash fan club for his school, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.800 which is really fun that like, oh, you're the you're 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.160 the top fan for the Flash and you actually get 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.320 to work with him, and you get to work with 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.160 your hero. And it's before everyone got really depressed in comics, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.960 so it's like, this is actually a good thing. You 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.680 don't hate each other. Oh yeah, this is back when 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.480 people were still happy just a little bit. So we're 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.040 kind of rounding out the Silver Age of comics, which 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.040 would then lead up to the insanity known as Crisis 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.680 on Infinite Earth, which, if you do, you want to 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:51.360 give us some background on that before we have Sam totally. Yeah. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.920 So yeah, when Barry realized that the universe was about 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.560 to be destroyed by the nefarious Anti Monitor, who I 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.360 often mix up with dark Side because they look a 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.320 lie or a dark side and uh no, no, it's 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.240 dark Side and Doomsday that these are all about equal, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:13.200 they're all stony looking balance. But he was about to 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.080 fire his anti matter cannon. Then the Flash literally ran 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.960 himself to death to stop the weapon from firing, and 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.680 Barry's heroic sacrifice saved the day and brought the rest 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.480 of the heroes the time they needed to finish the job. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.280 It's actually a really cool event because d C like 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.560 when they came up with like, oh, garrickson another if 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:30.800 that's cool, and then they're like, well, what if we 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.840 did other earths? And then they more and more and 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.920 then it was kind of like people didn't know if 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.640 I was reading this Flash comic, does that actually have 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.880 anything to do with anything else that's happening, And they're 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.680 like answers no. So it was getting really complicated. So 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.600 the anti Monitor for reasons, was deleting a lot of 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.840 the multiverse, and it got down to your last couple 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.760 of earths and he was going to delete everything. Barry 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.600 sacrifices himself and actually that's the first time a character died, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.680 like really really died. And it's pretty violent when you 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.480 like watch it, like, I mean they take out blood 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.760 and other like gory effects, but he does run himself 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.000 to death, and he does pop up in other ways 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.920 in the future, but it's always in the sense that, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.320 like he already knows his time is limited, he doesn't 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.920 get to really live more life after that until we 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.920 get further down the load the road. But it's a 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.600 very permanent thing that the writers chose to do for 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.960 a very iconic character, and that it's the very first 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.960 time a character actually died. They in a few years 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.240 after that they did with Superman in London goes so well, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.840 and with Batman then and then goes so well. But well, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.480 what I would say with Batman a Superman is that 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.000 might be also why those characters have never officially had 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.000 someone else take up their mantle is because it doesn't 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.960 go well. I mean those are such not that the 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.680 Flash isn't and not that Barry Allen isn't. But I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.120 think the two title characters, you know, or three if 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.760 we're throwing in Wonder Woman, who is my o g 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.560 like Superhero, but I think it would be so difficult 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.080 to kill off Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. I mean, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.520 as a real Batman was tight. Yeah, I really costs 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.440 it might be. Yeah, I think that's about it. But 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.840 I would say for fans of that of those franchises, no, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.119 you're not wrong, because they are like when you think superheroes, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.080 the first to are Batman Superman, Like that's pretty impossible 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.240 to really kill them for that long, but they do 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.560 open the door for other characters to step up, Like 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.320 that's how you got Dick grayce and as Batman, and 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.720 that's actually a really cool combo. And you get Conner 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.639 Kent and you get Steel and you get Cywork Superman, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.239 who's a really popular villain for d C comics. So 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.320 there's there's room like opportunities for new characters to pop 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.560 up and really grow and make a name for themselves 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.639 outside of that character. But I get it, and I 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.919 also the Flashes death wasn't permanent, which is a bit 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.440 of a bummer, but for at least like thirty years, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.920 he was not there. We tackled this in our Infinity 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.680 War episode about how a lot of deaths aren't permanent, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.600 and now it just doesn't have as much weight. I 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:51.000 mean to me, like I understand. I remember people are like, well, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.320 you know, do we have to have them die permanently? 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.320 You can still have steaks without having them die. But 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.879 I just feel like if you know that they're going 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.280 to be alive no matter what, it really does kind 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.240 of remove at least for me. Yeah, the only character 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.000 that was died pretty permanently was Jean Gray, and then 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.479 now she's technically kind of back right because they got 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.159 the old school class and now they're stuck in current 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.800 time and I'm like, that just feels like it messes 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.679 up the time continuum. Oh yeah, they never really Like 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.080 there was a one offline once where it's like, oh, yeah, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.240 you guys aren't from the past anymore. You're fine at 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.800 a time's fine, and it was like, what is that 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.119 We're not coming back to that, I guess. But also 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.560 Jean Gray straight up is there and the young one, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.479 so it's like good, it's just super complicated now. But 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.840 the Flash gets into that territory as well, which is 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.280 a bit of a moment. But I do agree when 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.720 you do make like make those kind of sacrifices, it 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.800 makes the story a little bit more legitimate for me, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.720 but not for everybody. Yeah, well no, I think it 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.960 was funny. You know. I was having a conversation with 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.679 someone the other day that talks about why you know, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.520 something like game of Thrones. Why does that fantasy show 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.000 stick so much? Why has it caught so many people? 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.720 And it's I think it's because death is constant and 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.520 it's permanent in and I feel like that's what made 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:06.320 for One Person, yeah, which we all knew because they 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.320 were a favorite, But then like the same thing for 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.760 Walking Dead. I think that's what made it so crazy 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.040 because and you see the effect of it. It makes 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.320 people lose their mind when their favorite character dies because 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.280