Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome Tonatives. I am one of your hosts.
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Speaker 1: That's who specifically is going to be joining us. It's
Speaker 1: in my contract. The only guest host that can replace
Speaker 1: me as Aubrey Drake Graham. Who would mind be? Who
Speaker 1: do I sound like? What is my ven diagram of?
Speaker 1: Like other hosts or actors that are like me? I
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Speaker 1: but today we have a lovely guest. He is the
Speaker 1: host of Only Stupid Answers and a good friend in
Speaker 1: my heart. Mr Sam Basher, Hello, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: When I knew that we were doing the flash, I
Speaker 1: was like, literally, Sam, I was actually having like okay morning,
Speaker 1: like not a great morning. But then you sent me
Speaker 1: a message and I was like, Okay, this week changed
Speaker 1: your whole week. I need to vent some flash frustration,
Speaker 1: some flash frusties fresh you have been. I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like with me, like everyone knows my brand is
Speaker 1: like dragon ball Z and Goofy movie, but I feel
Speaker 1: like you're the known at least in like the nerd
Speaker 1: community or like the known flash person. Well, I have
Speaker 1: the this isn't good for audio listening tattoos. We'll have
Speaker 1: to get a picture of that and post it. And
Speaker 1: I have a dragon ball Z tattoos. So there you go. Nice. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's so when the show came out in for CW,
Speaker 1: I got into it and I was like on the
Speaker 1: fence because when you saw his all leather running suit,
Speaker 1: You're like, that doesn't make it whatever, that doesn't make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. But I was like, I'll be
Speaker 1: on board, and right off the bat it was. It
Speaker 1: felt like the perfect mixture of a sci fi but
Speaker 1: also like romance and mystery story. Yeah. So I started
Speaker 1: getting into it, and the show did a really good
Speaker 1: job of actually like picking my interest in like I
Speaker 1: should maybe reading two comics, And actually that TV show
Speaker 1: got me into comics and since then I've had a
Speaker 1: really unhealthy binging habit of like just reading like so
Speaker 1: many graphic novels and series. So I've been I'm up
Speaker 1: to date, and I've been working backwards through a lot
Speaker 1: of series, and so Flash is the reason that I
Speaker 1: am a comic book nerd. Now that is insane, you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard that from other people, but that that the
Speaker 1: show has actually made them go back and read the comics.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that about you, sam Oh. I thought
Speaker 1: you grew up reading these. Can we reschedule? No, I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding no, But that's probably better because you actually
Speaker 1: have a more fresh memory because you've been going back
Speaker 1: and reading all of the comics trying to try. Also,
Speaker 1: you didn't, like, you know, come into the show with
Speaker 1: your own baggage. I feel like that's why it's so
Speaker 1: hard for nerds to like anything, because they already have
Speaker 1: their idea of what a perfect X movie is because
Speaker 1: they've read X their whole lives and have dreamed about it.
Speaker 1: So when one aspect is all, they're losing their minds.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially with Flash. A lot of comic book fans,
Speaker 1: for you guys know that like if like someone gets
Speaker 1: a new mantle, they're like, but remember when the other
Speaker 1: person had it, and that will be the like most said.
Speaker 1: Thing they'll ever stay in their entire life is about
Speaker 1: that other characters like we get it, we get it,
Speaker 1: you like that other person with red hair. It's they're
Speaker 1: the same people basically. Yeah, But like when you look
Speaker 1: at decades and decades, it's like you kind of have
Speaker 1: to take these risks and try something else. I feel like, so,
Speaker 1: do you want to get into the history. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: dip into the history. So the flash created by writer
Speaker 1: Gardner Fox and artists Harry Lampert. The original Golden Age
Speaker 1: Flash first appeared in Flash Comics number one in That's
Speaker 1: Back in the Day and Jay Garrick was a college
Speaker 1: student who during a smoke break, accidentally knocks over his
Speaker 1: science experiment in hard water gases whatever what hard water?
Speaker 1: Roy Thomas on like Marvel said, he's done like a
Speaker 1: great job of like going back and having to fix
Speaker 1: a lot of the big question mark origin stories for characters,
Speaker 1: Like if you watch Jessica Jones season two, they introduced
Speaker 1: a character like named the Wizzard, who was another speedster
Speaker 1: who got it from mongoose blood, which doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: But with this it doesn't make any sense. What it
Speaker 1: eventually like became was that he had a meta gene
Speaker 1: in his body, Jake Eric and the hard water was irradiated,
Speaker 1: so that caused his powers to emerge. But yes, it
Speaker 1: does not make a lot of sense. Why that plus
Speaker 1: that equal speedster? Gotcha? Yeah? So he was inspired by Mercury,
Speaker 1: the speedy god of Roman mythology, and Geric is even
Speaker 1: called the reincarnation of the god in his first issue,
Speaker 1: and he's known as the Scarlet Speedster. That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you seen what he looked like originally? Hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was basically a flash shirt. I mean I would
Speaker 1: have you ever seen anyone wearing that design? There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who really pull it off, and I
Speaker 1: really did it. But my favorite part of Jay Geric
Speaker 1: is what he eventually got adapted into. For while he
Speaker 1: West who is the third Flash, which we'll talk about him,
Speaker 1: but he became more of a mentor to not just Flashes,
Speaker 1: but all younger generations. And even if I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys are Smallville, I understand if you didn't
Speaker 1: because it was kind of garbage, but I rewatched all
Speaker 1: of it. But they made an extension comic and they
Speaker 1: introduced Jake Garrick as the like mentor two younger generations,
Speaker 1: because that's a perfect role for him. He's kind of
Speaker 1: like this a perpetual grandpa. And I always enjoy that
Speaker 1: type of characterization in comics. At least it's different from
Speaker 1: someone who was always like chiseled or has a perfect morality.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he's kind of dated, but he just
Speaker 1: has his wife that he cares, his family that he
Speaker 1: loves a lot. Yeah, this one that we're looking at,
Speaker 1: he's basically in a long sleeve. You know, it's something
Speaker 1: that you would work out in. I would say it
Speaker 1: looks like a workout tea, very tight with this tin
Speaker 1: his metal top hat with his little golden wings. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like if someone cosplayed as
Speaker 1: this and you didn't know the reference, he'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's doing like a casual flash cosplay. That's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actual flash. Yeah, I've always been a fan of
Speaker 1: that helmet, even though it is silly because in comics,
Speaker 1: like I was reading up on recently because Mark Wade
Speaker 1: he did like one of these. He's like one of
Speaker 1: the most important writers for the Flash during Wally, and
Speaker 1: he did a lot for j and for Bart and
Speaker 1: just kind of filling out their lore, but um, they
Speaker 1: started playing around with like the stuff he could use
Speaker 1: with the helmet, and also like how he hit his
Speaker 1: identity because at first he was like public It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just wearing a hat, like there's no reason
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be able to identify me immediately. But then
Speaker 1: he started like he finally introduced like the shaking of
Speaker 1: his face to hide it. Did y'all see that picture
Speaker 1: of Zoe de Chanelle and it was her without her
Speaker 1: bangs or glasses, And it was like, I never understood
Speaker 1: how people didn't know that Clark Kent was Superman until
Speaker 1: I saw this photo. It's uh, I saw that one too,
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I love it. So the Flash, as we know,
Speaker 1: has super speed, which includes ability to run, move, and
Speaker 1: think extremely fast, so he's not just physically fast and
Speaker 1: uses superhuman reflexes to seemingly violate certain laws of physics
Speaker 1: m M. And eventually, like we'll talk about the speed
Speaker 1: force and what that big mess of a concept is.
Speaker 1: But Jake Grek originally didn't have that. He was just
Speaker 1: a superpowered person who could just move really fast. Eventually
Speaker 1: he got that and he could move even faster. But
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool because when a comic book writers
Speaker 1: just decided to get rid of the speed force to
Speaker 1: simplify some stories, Jay can still be a speedster, which
Speaker 1: is always really cool. He can still he's not as fast,
Speaker 1: and since he's an old man, it's kind of sweet
Speaker 1: that he's like, I gotta take a breath, I have to, like,
Speaker 1: I have to take a break for a second. But
Speaker 1: that's another element that I enjoy about him being different
Speaker 1: from everybody else. So it seems like, so there's four flashes.
Speaker 1: You have Jake Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, and Bart Allen.
Speaker 1: So so there are a lot of flashes like instead,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because you know, there's been Bruce Wayne forever.
Speaker 1: There's been Clark Kent forever. You know, I think the
Speaker 1: closest would be the Robbins that kind of swapped out.
Speaker 1: But as far as it makes it interesting that there
Speaker 1: have been so many flashes, yet, you know, there's also
Speaker 1: been a whole bunch of um green lanterns as well.
Speaker 1: I was going to say a blank ton, but you know,
Speaker 1: we don't curse family friendly now. We can always bleep
Speaker 1: it out get him out of the way now, Well,
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan that they can switch it
Speaker 1: out pretty often. Bart I did pick up his run
Speaker 1: like recently, and it's super short. Like people really weren't
Speaker 1: on board with bart being for some reason He's so
Speaker 1: that's Barry Allen's grandson, grandson from the future, ram back
Speaker 1: in time, so all the time travel mess that you
Speaker 1: could ever want in a story. But yeah, Barry came next,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of really cool things that Actually,
Speaker 1: there was an article a couple of years ago that
Speaker 1: painted a really good picture of why the Flash is
Speaker 1: so important to comics and actually and sci fi storytelling
Speaker 1: and as a whole, like he's used to introduce a
Speaker 1: lot of bigger concepts to comics, like the idea of
Speaker 1: the protegey taking over the mentor's role like he Flashed
Speaker 1: was the first person to do that, introducing the multiverse.
Speaker 1: That actually happened between Jay and Barry. And that's such
Speaker 1: a cool story and it's now something they really are
Speaker 1: trying to push as far as the multiverse. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: so cool, and I love the way they do it
Speaker 1: with Jay and Barry because for some reason Barry knows
Speaker 1: about say but it then it becomes so much more convoluted,
Speaker 1: like when they kind of consolidate everything. But I do
Speaker 1: like that the Flash has been so important for all
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. So the first Flash Jay Garrick. This
Speaker 1: was during the Golden Age of comics, so back in
Speaker 1: the forties, and essentially he was also battling crooks and
Speaker 1: Nazi agents, and he was also alongside the Justice Society
Speaker 1: of America. That's what it was called until declining interests
Speaker 1: in superhero comics led to the end of the Golden
Speaker 1: Age of comics and the cancelation of the Flash in Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sad, but my man Barry. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: so Barry came in and that was the Silver Age
Speaker 1: of comics. And I would say arguably, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get in trouble for this being in the nerd world.
Speaker 1: What I have heard from a lot of Flash people
Speaker 1: is I feel like Barry Allen is the majority of
Speaker 1: people's favorite Flash. Depending on your generation. A lot of
Speaker 1: people will fight to the death for Wally West because
Speaker 1: we can talk about that, but Barry, I really because
Speaker 1: his origin has been changed in like Flash Rebirthday. If
Speaker 1: you watch the Flash show, you know what his origin
Speaker 1: is now. But originally it was so cool that he
Speaker 1: by accident got his powers. Originally, like there's so many
Speaker 1: that's convoluted, but and then he got them, and he
Speaker 1: just chose out of the goodness of his own heart
Speaker 1: to do good things. It wasn't because of a tragedy,
Speaker 1: it wasn't because of an obligation to somebody else. He
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a good person. And I feel
Speaker 1: like you just can't do that anymore for some reason, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't believe the motivation. I feel like it's because
Speaker 1: as humans we can't possibly understand having a kind character
Speaker 1: that would just do something out of the kindness of
Speaker 1: their hearts. I feel like we need to relate to
Speaker 1: them in a way that they have some type of motivation,
Speaker 1: you know, or cynicism or something that they're doing it from.
Speaker 1: Eventually they do change it so that his mom was
Speaker 1: it's just which I like. I like that idea when
Speaker 1: they got into that with reverse Flash. But it's also
Speaker 1: was nice for just a second to have someone who
Speaker 1: just genuinely wanted to be a good person, had the
Speaker 1: ability to be the best version of himself, and he
Speaker 1: was so if he did, you want to go into win.
Speaker 1: Barry got started, So yeah, the Silver Age Flash was
Speaker 1: Barry Allen, a police scientists who gains his superpowers after
Speaker 1: an unlikely running with a lightning bolt in some chemicals.
Speaker 1: Once again, chemicals and oops, that's that's a teenage mutant
Speaker 1: ninja turtles. Uh. And funnily enough, the Jay Garrett Flash
Speaker 1: is even acknowledging Allen's origin tail as a comic book
Speaker 1: character that inspires the new Flash is heroics, and by
Speaker 1: nine Aland was popular enough to get his own comic
Speaker 1: new texts on old characters would launched. A variation of
Speaker 1: the Justice Society was born called the Justice League of America,
Speaker 1: which has been the what it's been since. And even
Speaker 1: Jay Garrick was reintegrated into the new continuity in the
Speaker 1: classic Flash of two world story thanks to the concept
Speaker 1: of parallel earths, which that comics love that idea. I
Speaker 1: think media loves the idea that there might be a
Speaker 1: parallel universe because it just it opens the door for
Speaker 1: literally anything, and it you don't have the complications of
Speaker 1: like time travel, of like well what if it had
Speaker 1: to happen before now, or like does that influence the
Speaker 1: present or whatnot. It's like, no, it happened it's concurrent,
Speaker 1: but also that story gets even more complicated because part
Speaker 1: of that world gets merged back, like Jay Garrick's city,
Speaker 1: Keystone City, buries Is Central was like part of our world,
Speaker 1: and then magic happened because of a villain, and then
Speaker 1: it was kind of gone. But eventually they just like retcon.
Speaker 1: It's just like there's another Earth Earth too, and that's
Speaker 1: where like Jay and your goldename heroes are and we can,
Speaker 1: like the Justice League in the Justiciety always like pair
Speaker 1: up and and work together. But it's so cool that
Speaker 1: Barry was a fan and he literally just wanted to
Speaker 1: copy this fictional air quote fictional character and be more
Speaker 1: like him. I kind of like Barry's cost him a
Speaker 1: little bit more, but I do like Jay's helmet as well,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you could wear that now,
Speaker 1: it would totally give him away. Not that not that
Speaker 1: Flashes costume doesn't give him away now. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: Barry Allen actually remained the flash forward over thirty years
Speaker 1: and in the comics was romancing his fiance and eventual wife,
Speaker 1: who was Iris West, and picking up a young sidekick
Speaker 1: in the form of Iris's nephew, Wally West. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have to say, Wally West is a great flash Kid
Speaker 1: Flash and I U Carmen Infantino was the artist for
Speaker 1: the Flash and I loved his design for Kid Flashes costume.
Speaker 1: It's like it's reversed that you got the yellow with
Speaker 1: the giant red lightning bologna and like they recently like
Speaker 1: re upped it for the new for ann Birth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he brank Wally West's whole story with that, that's
Speaker 1: really convoluted, but they showed it again. It was just
Speaker 1: nice to see because it's so simple but it's so
Speaker 1: iconic at the same time. And it's crazy that Wally's
Speaker 1: origin was like basically mirrored what happened to Barry just
Speaker 1: happened by accident. It gets more convoluted that like lightning
Speaker 1: in chemicals, yes, and it was like in Barry's office,
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh no, like lightning snuck through
Speaker 1: a window and hit him. But hey, this is an
Speaker 1: unlucky family. Yes, but they have metal like in there.
Speaker 1: I know, like who has like a metal plate in
Speaker 1: their head or something that they're getting struck by lightning?
Speaker 1: This this off did. There was one comic that said
Speaker 1: that Barry subconsciously influenced to that to happen to Wally.
Speaker 1: But then I everyone's kind of like it just condoun
Speaker 1: was an accident because it makes it sound like, why
Speaker 1: would you make a kid you go through that. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't aware, maybe he knew that that was
Speaker 1: going to be his origin. Maybe. But also Wally was
Speaker 1: the head of the Flash fan club for his school,
Speaker 1: which is really fun that like, oh, you're the you're
Speaker 1: the top fan for the Flash and you actually get
Speaker 1: to work with him, and you get to work with
Speaker 1: your hero. And it's before everyone got really depressed in comics,
Speaker 1: so it's like, this is actually a good thing. You
Speaker 1: don't hate each other. Oh yeah, this is back when
Speaker 1: people were still happy just a little bit. So we're
Speaker 1: kind of rounding out the Silver Age of comics, which
Speaker 1: would then lead up to the insanity known as Crisis
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earth, which, if you do, you want to
Speaker 1: give us some background on that before we have Sam totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when Barry realized that the universe was about
Speaker 1: to be destroyed by the nefarious Anti Monitor, who I
Speaker 1: often mix up with dark Side because they look a
Speaker 1: lie or a dark side and uh no, no, it's
Speaker 1: dark Side and Doomsday that these are all about equal,
Speaker 1: they're all stony looking balance. But he was about to
Speaker 1: fire his anti matter cannon. Then the Flash literally ran
Speaker 1: himself to death to stop the weapon from firing, and
Speaker 1: Barry's heroic sacrifice saved the day and brought the rest
Speaker 1: of the heroes the time they needed to finish the job.
Speaker 1: It's actually a really cool event because d C like
Speaker 1: when they came up with like, oh, garrickson another if
Speaker 1: that's cool, and then they're like, well, what if we
Speaker 1: did other earths? And then they more and more and
Speaker 1: then it was kind of like people didn't know if
Speaker 1: I was reading this Flash comic, does that actually have
Speaker 1: anything to do with anything else that's happening, And they're
Speaker 1: like answers no. So it was getting really complicated. So
Speaker 1: the anti Monitor for reasons, was deleting a lot of
Speaker 1: the multiverse, and it got down to your last couple
Speaker 1: of earths and he was going to delete everything. Barry
Speaker 1: sacrifices himself and actually that's the first time a character died,
Speaker 1: like really really died. And it's pretty violent when you
Speaker 1: like watch it, like, I mean they take out blood
Speaker 1: and other like gory effects, but he does run himself
Speaker 1: to death, and he does pop up in other ways
Speaker 1: in the future, but it's always in the sense that,
Speaker 1: like he already knows his time is limited, he doesn't
Speaker 1: get to really live more life after that until we
Speaker 1: get further down the load the road. But it's a
Speaker 1: very permanent thing that the writers chose to do for
Speaker 1: a very iconic character, and that it's the very first
Speaker 1: time a character actually died. They in a few years
Speaker 1: after that they did with Superman in London goes so well,
Speaker 1: and with Batman then and then goes so well. But well,
Speaker 1: what I would say with Batman a Superman is that
Speaker 1: might be also why those characters have never officially had
Speaker 1: someone else take up their mantle is because it doesn't
Speaker 1: go well. I mean those are such not that the
Speaker 1: Flash isn't and not that Barry Allen isn't. But I
Speaker 1: think the two title characters, you know, or three if
Speaker 1: we're throwing in Wonder Woman, who is my o g
Speaker 1: like Superhero, but I think it would be so difficult
Speaker 1: to kill off Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a real Batman was tight. Yeah, I really costs
Speaker 1: it might be. Yeah, I think that's about it. But
Speaker 1: I would say for fans of that of those franchises, no,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, because they are like when you think superheroes,
Speaker 1: the first to are Batman Superman, Like that's pretty impossible
Speaker 1: to really kill them for that long, but they do
Speaker 1: open the door for other characters to step up, Like
Speaker 1: that's how you got Dick grayce and as Batman, and
Speaker 1: that's actually a really cool combo. And you get Conner
Speaker 1: Kent and you get Steel and you get Cywork Superman,
Speaker 1: who's a really popular villain for d C comics. So
Speaker 1: there's there's room like opportunities for new characters to pop
Speaker 1: up and really grow and make a name for themselves
Speaker 1: outside of that character. But I get it, and I
Speaker 1: also the Flashes death wasn't permanent, which is a bit
Speaker 1: of a bummer, but for at least like thirty years,
Speaker 1: he was not there. We tackled this in our Infinity
Speaker 1: War episode about how a lot of deaths aren't permanent,
Speaker 1: and now it just doesn't have as much weight. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, like I understand. I remember people are like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, do we have to have them die permanently?
Speaker 1: You can still have steaks without having them die. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like if you know that they're going
Speaker 1: to be alive no matter what, it really does kind
Speaker 1: of remove at least for me. Yeah, the only character
Speaker 1: that was died pretty permanently was Jean Gray, and then
Speaker 1: now she's technically kind of back right because they got
Speaker 1: the old school class and now they're stuck in current
Speaker 1: time and I'm like, that just feels like it messes
Speaker 1: up the time continuum. Oh yeah, they never really Like
Speaker 1: there was a one offline once where it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys aren't from the past anymore. You're fine at
Speaker 1: a time's fine, and it was like, what is that
Speaker 1: We're not coming back to that, I guess. But also
Speaker 1: Jean Gray straight up is there and the young one,
Speaker 1: so it's like good, it's just super complicated now. But
Speaker 1: the Flash gets into that territory as well, which is
Speaker 1: a bit of a moment. But I do agree when
Speaker 1: you do make like make those kind of sacrifices, it
Speaker 1: makes the story a little bit more legitimate for me,
Speaker 1: but not for everybody. Yeah, well no, I think it
Speaker 1: was funny. You know. I was having a conversation with
Speaker 1: someone the other day that talks about why you know,
Speaker 1: something like game of Thrones. Why does that fantasy show
Speaker 1: stick so much? Why has it caught so many people?
Speaker 1: And it's I think it's because death is constant and
Speaker 1: it's permanent in and I feel like that's what made
Speaker 1: for One Person, yeah, which we all knew because they
Speaker 1: were a favorite, But then like the same thing for
Speaker 1: Walking Dead. I think that's what made it so crazy
Speaker 1: because and you see the effect of it. It makes
Speaker 1: people lose their mind when their favorite character dies because
Speaker 1: they know they are dead. So there is a jadedness
Speaker 1: to it. But the alternative isn't as fun either. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that Crisis on Infinite Earth
Speaker 1: came out in um the eighties, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: don't write me that we didn't give you a spoiler.
Speaker 1: Essentially we still get no did I don't know if
Speaker 1: I showed you, but I tweeted and it was somebody
Speaker 1: that was breaking down the top ten Twilight Zone episodes,
Speaker 1: which spoiler alert, we're gonna be talking about because my
Speaker 1: favorite thing in the world. But someone on the article said,
Speaker 1: way to spoil the episodes, and they were like it
Speaker 1: came out in the fifties or not, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't deserve a spoilers of the whole people that
Speaker 1: came out between that. Not only that, but it's often
Speaker 1: referenced in pop culture like the Simpson's ace Ventura. Like
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things that Twilight Zone references
Speaker 1: have been made, you know, rebooted like twice, right, there's
Speaker 1: a new Twilight Zone coming and that there was a
Speaker 1: one on sci Fi, and then there's Jordan Peel's that's
Speaker 1: coming out on CBS. He was on that one. That
Speaker 1: moving on to the Modern Age, which we have the
Speaker 1: third Flash, Wally West. So he was originally introduced in
Speaker 1: the Flash volume one, number one ten in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: nine as Kid Flash. He's Allen's nephew by marriage. He
Speaker 1: gained the Flashes powers as we were saying, and then
Speaker 1: he maintained membership in the Teen Titans for years. So
Speaker 1: following Allan's death, he adopted the Flash identity in Crisis
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earths number twelve and was given his own series,
Speaker 1: which started in nineteen eighties seven. And it's really cool
Speaker 1: because right off the bat there's him having to live
Speaker 1: up to the mantel, which since I wasn't around in
Speaker 1: the eighties, so I don't know how fans responded to
Speaker 1: losing Barry Allen. I know if that happened now, people
Speaker 1: would lose their minds. But it was cool that Wally
Speaker 1: took the approach of I know that I'm not Berry
Speaker 1: and that's okay, So I'm just going to be the
Speaker 1: best person I can be. And he's he's like a
Speaker 1: blue color superhero, which is very cool. Eventually people know
Speaker 1: his name and they know that he is there for
Speaker 1: them and he's meant to help the little guy, which
Speaker 1: is very cool. And also he started out slower, like
Speaker 1: he intentionally was slower than Barry like it was because
Speaker 1: writing writing, writing, you find out that it was like
Speaker 1: a mental block, and he ends up unlocking more speed
Speaker 1: force abilities and Speedster powers than Barrier any flash before.
Speaker 1: He's extremely powerful, but at the same time he's very grounded.
Speaker 1: He has a family and his love story is very sweet.
Speaker 1: I recently read when he had his kids and it
Speaker 1: was a really sweet story. Yeah, you get like invested
Speaker 1: in in the characters. I was going to say many
Speaker 1: issues began with the catchphrase my name is Wally West,
Speaker 1: I'm the fastest man alive. That's great. Then the TV
Speaker 1: show took that because it sounded really good. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty tight catch. Yes, sweet, So tell me
Speaker 1: about what happened when there was a certain period of
Speaker 1: time when he ended up misusing his powers and then
Speaker 1: winning millions in a lottery and then became like a
Speaker 1: womanizing playboy. Yeah, because that sounds tight. But I want
Speaker 1: you all to hear this after the break and we're back,
Speaker 1: and Sam, you told me that Wally West was a
Speaker 1: really good person. Uh, and then I found out that
Speaker 1: when given the opportunity, when you have millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: which I'm you know, this is just human psychology, one
Speaker 1: oh one, Uh, you turn into this playboy? Ask person,
Speaker 1: what is this? Jaded comics? It was that that's true.
Speaker 1: He did win the lottery, very fun and but eventually
Speaker 1: hasn't he gotten enough superpowers and millionaire? I mean that's
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't have the superpowers. That's
Speaker 1: why he's a millionaire because he needs that. I'm sorry, continue, No,
Speaker 1: you're you're not wrong. But also that womanizer character got
Speaker 1: kind of attached to the Wally West flash on the
Speaker 1: Justice Leage animated series and that and that was a
Speaker 1: very fun character that he's always like no women want
Speaker 1: to talk to him ever, but eventually that leads to
Speaker 1: him getting with Linda Park. They kind of con that
Speaker 1: lottery went pretty quick because it's like this is a
Speaker 1: little un like, you're right, this is a little unfair
Speaker 1: for you to have everything, Um, but it is pretty
Speaker 1: fun to read a hero like that. He's he's fast
Speaker 1: talking in every sense of the word, and but he
Speaker 1: never scores until like he actually meets someone who calls
Speaker 1: him out on a ship and that's Linda Park And
Speaker 1: she actually has a bit of a role on the
Speaker 1: Flash TV show. But it's gonna be a bummer that
Speaker 1: we're not going to get more of her. Hopefully we
Speaker 1: get her in the movies because she's really she's a
Speaker 1: great character. So then moving on, I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about the extremely confusing thing known as the Speed Force. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this was introduced with Wally and they're like Berry
Speaker 1: made it and like it got really confusing. Basically, it's
Speaker 1: like a place. It's a place, a thing in a
Speaker 1: connective tissue a whole multiverse. Right, It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the Jedi or whatever, like in its connectivity power kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that it for people who can tap into it.
Speaker 1: Also just to get even more complicated, Barry made it
Speaker 1: like Berry made it when he got electrocuted with with
Speaker 1: chemical whatever it was, and like he and by that happening,
Speaker 1: he created it, and then it existed from that point
Speaker 1: on throughout all of time past, present, future, So like
Speaker 1: that ignited it, and it's actually the new fifty two.
Speaker 1: They talked about how it's actually what moves time forward
Speaker 1: and moves all of time and space war that's why
Speaker 1: he can move so fast and break the laws of physics,
Speaker 1: because he is the factor that makes it all work
Speaker 1: for for some reason. But writer Grant Morrison, he did
Speaker 1: a book called Multiversity, which I highly recommend. It's a
Speaker 1: story where each issue takes place in another universe and
Speaker 1: it's like a mystery across all universes, and you get
Speaker 1: to see a map of what the DC universe looks like.
Speaker 1: And what holds it all together is the speed Force.
Speaker 1: It's like a speed force wall how they depicted in
Speaker 1: the map. What else to say is that it's kind
Speaker 1: of sentient a little bit depending on who's writing it,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it kind of creates a
Speaker 1: shield and allows the Flashes or whoever can tap into
Speaker 1: the speed force too, like you said with Jake Garrick,
Speaker 1: but like think very quick. They have fast reflexes depending
Speaker 1: on which flashes they have a higher metabolism says to
Speaker 1: eat more. But also they can face through objects. It
Speaker 1: can go on and on and on what they are
Speaker 1: capable of doing with the speed force, but what it
Speaker 1: is is big question work for what the writer wants.
Speaker 1: For the most part though, it's just part of the
Speaker 1: universe that helps time and space move forward. Dang, Yes,
Speaker 1: it gets heavy and then some people are like they
Speaker 1: down to first. It's really cool. It has so dang,
Speaker 1: we should link that cool in our footnotes. It's super
Speaker 1: cool that has a breakdown where heaven and Hell are
Speaker 1: and it also incorporates Sandman from Neal Game in there.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. It's okay, whoa, you're you're blowing away.
Speaker 1: It has heaven and hell Heaven and can they like
Speaker 1: can they move between those? Yes? And they have Hades
Speaker 1: and Olympus like a, oh yeah, they have Greek mythology people.
Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense because he's Mercury. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: wonder Woman as well. My mind is blown. You know.
Speaker 1: It was funny because before we started this, if I
Speaker 1: hope this is okay to say that you like said
Speaker 1: you're not really into the Flash. No, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Flash was not my guy. Look, when you read capes,
Speaker 1: which is slang for superhero comics, you have to choose
Speaker 1: who you're going to zero in on. And at the
Speaker 1: time I was reading Flash, I was reading d C
Speaker 1: and Marvel, and on Marvel, I think I was on
Speaker 1: Black Panther. Of course, Actually no Black Panthers stopped running
Speaker 1: unless this is the time, because this is when they
Speaker 1: went our crossover crazy, and a crossover event is when
Speaker 1: an event takes place across all of their comics. So
Speaker 1: Marvel was going insane with like Fear Itself. Then they
Speaker 1: had the Heroic Age, and then they went and did
Speaker 1: their huge whatever tied to the movie, and then they
Speaker 1: had shadow Land, which was an amazing crossover, which I
Speaker 1: hope they do on The Defenders, which is when the
Speaker 1: Daredevil tries to use the Hand for good but obviously
Speaker 1: turns evil. And then Black Panther comes and watches Overhill's kitchen.
Speaker 1: So I'm reading all that and at the same time,
Speaker 1: I get in during Brightest Day, right after the Darkest
Speaker 1: Night crossover event. Dark Blackest Night is really cool. Day
Speaker 1: is rough. It's it's brightest day just really was because
Speaker 1: they built up to nothing. For those who don't know,
Speaker 1: Brightest Day kept talking about this white lantern and and
Speaker 1: that how because darkest night is when they kind of
Speaker 1: created all of the different lanterns, which were orange for
Speaker 1: avaice read for rage, indigo for compassion. Then what was
Speaker 1: the violet Violet was this love star sapphire. That's them,
Speaker 1: and then you had hope hope, and green for and
Speaker 1: then yellow for fear fear, and so they there was
Speaker 1: this huge battle between all of the ease and it
Speaker 1: just kind of shook, and then it created the black lantern,
Speaker 1: which was death and it was gnarly. It was really cool.
Speaker 1: It's the coolest cross. It's space zombies. That's what it
Speaker 1: came out. Everyone who is dead, every corpse. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that meant animals too, but like they'd get
Speaker 1: a black lantern ring and they are alive, and that
Speaker 1: is at the army. If you kill one, you can't
Speaker 1: kill one because they'll just come back, exactly. And so
Speaker 1: all of the lanterns had to work together to fight it,
Speaker 1: which was cool because now all these lanterns that were
Speaker 1: warring are now friends, and I was a big red
Speaker 1: Lantern fan. I loved Oh my gosh, a Trocitus was ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and he had a cat named Dexton that would would
Speaker 1: always that he loved. It was insane. It was like
Speaker 1: peak DC comics. And then after the event they had
Speaker 1: Brightest Date where there was this big, fabled white Lantern
Speaker 1: that everyone was hyped and then it turns out that
Speaker 1: white Lantern isn't all of us. It was super con
Speaker 1: I tried to read it, and it's super convoluted. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to follow. I like what they did with
Speaker 1: dead Man. That was cool that they gave a body.
Speaker 1: It was like dead Man's story was so good. Actually
Speaker 1: that was like a heartwarming story. But everything else and
Speaker 1: the truth is we were the heroes. It was so dumb.
Speaker 1: It made me so bad. I screamed when I turned that.
Speaker 1: And then there was like a Dare like thing next
Speaker 1: to like don't do drugs, a right next to it.
Speaker 1: But because of that, I was reading so many comics
Speaker 1: and I had to one had to go. And Flash
Speaker 1: was my guy that was getting the axe, but he
Speaker 1: came back into my life and I had to like
Speaker 1: go back and grab a few because the flashpoint event happened,
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll get into that in a second. But yeah,
Speaker 1: once flashpoint happened, I was like, let me jump into
Speaker 1: this flash and then I was like, nah, you gotta
Speaker 1: get the cut. Like this Flashpoint was cool. I actually
Speaker 1: liked it, but just his solo comic just could not
Speaker 1: keep me snatched. Currently, Joshua Williamson is writing, and I
Speaker 1: really did what he has been doing, Like he's been
Speaker 1: very creative with how he uses the speed Force and
Speaker 1: he actually creates something like it's called the speed Force Storm.
Speaker 1: They just made a bunch of new Speedsters, so there's
Speaker 1: new characters that they can play around with. But going back,
Speaker 1: like that was around the time with Brightest Day, that
Speaker 1: would have been around like Wally West. Oh Barry was
Speaker 1: back for that at that point and bart Allen was
Speaker 1: running around as well. But um, like going back a
Speaker 1: little bit further, like Wally West, he had probably the
Speaker 1: most famous run for the character, Like if you want recommendations,
Speaker 1: Mark Wade's run for Wally West and Jeff John's. He
Speaker 1: has my favorite run for the Flash period because it's
Speaker 1: at first it starts out really wonky, like he's in
Speaker 1: this mirror world. It's like medieval and you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know where we are. It ends and eventually comes
Speaker 1: back to the blue collar side of his character, and
Speaker 1: it's really sweet that he works with unions and he
Speaker 1: tries to make like big businesses work with the smaller
Speaker 1: like like the industrial side of Central City in Keystone
Speaker 1: City or this is yeah, both of these cities. I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe you also really like that because that's
Speaker 1: who they based um. Jeff John's was so heavily involved
Speaker 1: in the c W show like how that Barry Allen
Speaker 1: was going to be, so they definitely copied the best place,
Speaker 1: and also he was instrumental in reinvigorating people's interest in
Speaker 1: Barry Alan. Jeff Johnson was especially with Flash Rebirth, but
Speaker 1: with Wally. He was also training bart Allen during that.
Speaker 1: That's when they introduced him his impulse, and he was
Speaker 1: a really interesting character because he should have been extremely annoying,
Speaker 1: which for some people he was because he's born a
Speaker 1: speedster in the future and they bring him back in
Speaker 1: time and he was raised in a simulation that can
Speaker 1: keep up with how fast that he thinks, so he's
Speaker 1: never interacted with real people before and He's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't I can't take how slow you
Speaker 1: are talking right now. So and he's very excited at
Speaker 1: the time. He's very positive, and it was cool to
Speaker 1: see Wally, who was mentored by like in everyone's minds
Speaker 1: in the world the best Flash now having to take
Speaker 1: up that mantel and actually be a good teacher, which
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. Yeah, so let's dive into Flashpoint. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to tackle their aside from the fact
Speaker 1: that that is also the name of the new movie
Speaker 1: that is coming out, which they changed from a flash
Speaker 1: movie too. Now it's flash Point, which Sam you were
Speaker 1: saying is kind of a weird choice to have as
Speaker 1: a movie, Like you get it, like you get it,
Speaker 1: like so flashpoint in the comics, so like for timeline
Speaker 1: of how things went while he was was Flashed for
Speaker 1: a while, they wanted to invigorate it, and so they
Speaker 1: made Bart like He's like cool, like you get another
Speaker 1: younger Flash to be him. He didn't work out for
Speaker 1: very long while he came back and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we have a big event called Final Crisis, might as
Speaker 1: well like have another big twist there for people to
Speaker 1: pick it up. Barry comes back to life. It's actually
Speaker 1: a really cool moment where he's literally while he accidentally
Speaker 1: runs into the speed Force since he's Barry out running death.
Speaker 1: It's a really cool moment. But then we Barry comes
Speaker 1: back to life, we get the flashpoint, and that's Barry
Speaker 1: choosing when he finds out what actually happened to his
Speaker 1: mother who was murdered by the Reverse Flash. Which I'm
Speaker 1: excited to talking about Reverse Flash because he's actually one
Speaker 1: of my favorite villains that DC's ever created, and I
Speaker 1: think that be fun to kind of dive into him.
Speaker 1: But when he finds out that Reverse Flash went back
Speaker 1: in time and killed his mother, he's like, if time
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be that way, let me try to
Speaker 1: fix it, and it immediately everything goes wrong. It's another
Speaker 1: thing with the speed Force. To add in that there
Speaker 1: is a speed force and a negative speed force that
Speaker 1: bad speedsters use the negative one and good well it
Speaker 1: sounds yeah, just like this other thing that we know,
Speaker 1: and with speedsters they can run faster. But even though
Speaker 1: this came out before Star Wars, but it feels very
Speaker 1: Jedi City. Oh. The speed Force, I think was timeline
Speaker 1: wise came out after Star Wars, I think, yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: oh no, but I think it's a common not even
Speaker 1: a trope. I don't want to say, but it's a
Speaker 1: common like theme I would say in a lot of
Speaker 1: superhero I've actually never thought of it that way, but actually,
Speaker 1: really it's definitely because the Jedi can tap into and like,
Speaker 1: so the good can use it for good, and they're
Speaker 1: kind of all connected in that way, in the same
Speaker 1: way that people that can use a speed force are
Speaker 1: kind of connected, Like it's a thing that they can
Speaker 1: just kind of tap into, and kind of like how
Speaker 1: the Sith can kind of use cooler powers, the Speedsters
Speaker 1: can go through tiny have cooler lightsabers. So essentially, what
Speaker 1: would you say that the main bullet point of flash
Speaker 1: Point for people that don't Barry went back in time,
Speaker 1: saved his mom, and it created an entirely new timeline,
Speaker 1: and uh, for the most part, I really dug what
Speaker 1: they did, and it was so cool. Everyone changed. Batman
Speaker 1: is no longer Bruce Wayne, it's his dad, and freaking
Speaker 1: wonder Woman is like Queen of the Mascaria going to
Speaker 1: war with Atlantis. Like Aquaman and Wonder Woman are at
Speaker 1: each other's throats, so they sunk Europe. They like a
Speaker 1: Superman never came into being in his story. Actually, if
Speaker 1: you want a really cool story, read Batman's Flashpoint story.
Speaker 1: I've ever read it. It's where you find out who
Speaker 1: flash Point Joker isn't. Oh, it's dark, it's amazing. Oh
Speaker 1: I think I do remember that one, really really good.
Speaker 1: But the main point is Barry realizes that you can't
Speaker 1: just make decisions like this, and you have to. He
Speaker 1: makes another big sacrifice like he did before, and he
Speaker 1: chooses to stop himself from saving his mother, complicating the
Speaker 1: timeline so much that a lot of different universes start
Speaker 1: to merge together, kind of like how Crisis of Infinite
Speaker 1: Earth's happened. And it created a new timeline that created
Speaker 1: the new fifty two with Barry Allen as the main
Speaker 1: flash and a lot of new things in the DC
Speaker 1: universe that weren't there before, and a lot of things
Speaker 1: have been deleted. Ed got uh, Barbara Gordon out of
Speaker 1: the wheelchair. It basically reversed the killing joke, and people
Speaker 1: weren't too happy about it. No, no, and they're still
Speaker 1: and they're still not happy about it. It's been like
Speaker 1: what eight years, but they're still set in their defense.
Speaker 1: That was kind of a whack move that the Killing
Speaker 1: Joke literally has the Jokers showing up and just paralyzing
Speaker 1: a female character, And it became like super important part
Speaker 1: to the just sleek to Batman, to a lot of heroes,
Speaker 1: being the one who coordinates everybody and makes it all
Speaker 1: work and actually keeps them together and organized and make
Speaker 1: sure that's that's the nice way to put it. It
Speaker 1: turned into a receptionist for superheroes. It turned bad Girl
Speaker 1: into a superhero receptionists. So I was very pro, yes,
Speaker 1: let's get her back in the cow. There's so much
Speaker 1: debate around that. Yeah, Like I'm like, no, I want
Speaker 1: her back in a cow, because I did think it
Speaker 1: was weird that just as a plot device, you paralyze
Speaker 1: one of your female heroes. Oh, if we want to
Speaker 1: do Killing Joke, I'm not a big fan. I am
Speaker 1: not a big fan of that book. People love people
Speaker 1: love people will write y'all, but not me. No, people,
Speaker 1: because because it seems like there was a point where
Speaker 1: killing Joke was the top, and then I felt like
Speaker 1: a few years ago there was a point where I
Speaker 1: was like, actually, killing Joke was not that tight. We
Speaker 1: were like everyone kind of got there. Definitely will be
Speaker 1: people who was like, no, I still think it's great.
Speaker 1: That's you can read That argument would be that she
Speaker 1: overcame that. I think that is what I see a
Speaker 1: lot of people's arguments. But I'm always like, also, not
Speaker 1: to take away it did introduce a disabled character. I
Speaker 1: don't want anyone who kind of like sees themselves in
Speaker 1: Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair to think that I want
Speaker 1: to snatch that from you, because that is an aspect
Speaker 1: of it that I don't want to forget about as well.
Speaker 1: Good point, that's fair, But we got her back and
Speaker 1: she got a really cool costume. She actually has my
Speaker 1: favorite like bat costume out of everybody because she got
Speaker 1: the boots and she got the purple. It's it's super tight.
Speaker 1: But from there, from flash Point, we got Barry Allen
Speaker 1: as the main flash again, and they actually had to
Speaker 1: do a lot of work to like make him interesting
Speaker 1: because while Barry was flashed for like the longest period
Speaker 1: of time, it was in the time when like these
Speaker 1: comics like there, there's not like a lot of depth
Speaker 1: to them. It's just like what you have to flourish
Speaker 1: for the cool guy, and like he like, and then
Speaker 1: like he was like, well he just used to go faster,
Speaker 1: and like that's that's how old comics went. So they
Speaker 1: actually had to like really build them up and make
Speaker 1: him interesting. And it is fair why I understand why
Speaker 1: you dropped the Flash after New fifty two because some
Speaker 1: of the writing got wonky, got super wonky. Also, Wally
Speaker 1: Wester was gone. He was just like not in comics anymore.
Speaker 1: They totally deleted. Remember people were a little bit salty
Speaker 1: about that, Yes they were. And then they moved forward
Speaker 1: and reintroduced him as Wally West, but they changed his race,
Speaker 1: which is good to like like have diversity. Is like
Speaker 1: when you read a Flash comic, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: just pale, pale everybody. They're all Flash. Yeah. When they
Speaker 1: say we are the Flash, it's like collective, like hive mind,
Speaker 1: well the Flash, but it's like they yeah, but you
Speaker 1: had fans like freaking out about that for no reason.
Speaker 1: But it's cool that that Wally was what they based
Speaker 1: the Wally for the Flash TV show off of, and
Speaker 1: it gave diversity that show, which is very nice. It
Speaker 1: was just nice that they're willing to like take a
Speaker 1: chance and actually do something different, and I think the
Speaker 1: thing is, like, yeah, it is shocking, because I think
Speaker 1: as humans, change is very jarring, especially when it's like
Speaker 1: your dude, your character and it changes. But as long
Speaker 1: as you just keep the writing good and press on
Speaker 1: and ignore the haters for a bit, they fall in line.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I wanted to Sam because you had
Speaker 1: touched on Reverse Flash, who is arguably one of the
Speaker 1: most liked slash popular villains DC history period, but essentially
Speaker 1: Professor Zoom. He was actually the first villain to call
Speaker 1: himself Reverse Flash, because there's a couple of Reverse Flashes
Speaker 1: or people that go by that name, who was a
Speaker 1: century scientist who fought Barry Allan in the Silver Age.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's pretty complicated, Like that's the best
Speaker 1: way to describe him. He's extremely complicated. The best version
Speaker 1: of his story Jeff Johnson Mark Wait, if you kind
Speaker 1: of like boil their origins down together, you kind of
Speaker 1: get a good idea. Actually, Mark Waite again giving him
Speaker 1: a shout out. He has one of the best Reverse
Speaker 1: Flash stories, and you actually find out why he is
Speaker 1: so obsessed and why he actually fights Barry for any
Speaker 1: reason whatsoever, Like why would he even care? He was
Speaker 1: the Flash's biggest fan. He was a curator at the
Speaker 1: Flash Museum, which I do love that Flash has a museum.
Speaker 1: His city actually loves him. Yes, he's openly yeah superhero
Speaker 1: and it's it's I love that aspect of the character.
Speaker 1: But Reverse Flash EO Bard silly name, and he was
Speaker 1: obsessed with him. And he ends up finding in a
Speaker 1: time capsule a version of the Flashes suit that has
Speaker 1: some of the Speed force in it. Again, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? Doesn't matter because he's able to replicate the
Speaker 1: powers run back in time and he goes to the
Speaker 1: Flash Museum, and the other one writing gets a little
Speaker 1: confusing because he notices when he walks into the Flash
Speaker 1: Museum of the Past that he sees the Reverse Flash
Speaker 1: and he sees the name of who the Reverse Flashes,
Speaker 1: and it's his name, and he's like, what wait, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like why would I be the
Speaker 1: bad guy? I don't understand if you worked at the Flash,
Speaker 1: if you se him in the future, you didn't see
Speaker 1: your name on that on that exhibit. But regardless, from there,
Speaker 1: he kind of goes a little crazy important tidbit. He
Speaker 1: got plastic surgery to look like Barry Allen, that's how
Speaker 1: much of a family was, So it's already unhealthy his
Speaker 1: obsession with Barry. But when he runs back in time,
Speaker 1: he actually pretends to be Barry like because he's like,
Speaker 1: I'll just be better. I can be better because I
Speaker 1: know all the Flashes stories. I can be a better hero.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't want Wally to succeed. Eventually, while he
Speaker 1: does overcome and EO. Bard chooses, he's like, you know
Speaker 1: what if I can't be a better Flash, I'll make
Speaker 1: the Flash is better. And I think that's such a
Speaker 1: crazy threat to make for somebody. But when you add
Speaker 1: in time travel, it means he can do just about anything.
Speaker 1: And Jeff John's Are actually has one of my favorite
Speaker 1: stories just about EO. Bard, And there's this whole issue
Speaker 1: where he edits his own timeline. He goes through and
Speaker 1: he kills like one of his parents, like where he's like,
Speaker 1: what can I edit and make sure that time's okay?
Speaker 1: Like what can I change? And that's what he does
Speaker 1: to Barry, Like he goes back in time and he
Speaker 1: alienates Barry's childhood, like he takes away his friend. He
Speaker 1: makes sure he breaks his legs so he can't join
Speaker 1: baseball and I can't like make a social life. And
Speaker 1: then he finds out that like he can actually take
Speaker 1: away his mother and Barry will still be the Flash,
Speaker 1: but he won't be who he was before, and it's like,
Speaker 1: how can he mess with someone? And how could you
Speaker 1: even plan to fix that? But the whole point is
Speaker 1: that he actually loves Barry more than anybody. He cares
Speaker 1: more in the air quotes, he loves him more than anyone.
Speaker 1: He's willing to do the things that no one else
Speaker 1: would do to make him a better hero whatever that means.
Speaker 1: And better heroes have better more tragic back stores. It's
Speaker 1: really messed up, like the more you like read about it,
Speaker 1: but he is. That's usually the motivation for most reverse
Speaker 1: Flashes is to make the other flash better. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know that. I want to get more into this,
Speaker 1: more into how it appeared in the c W and
Speaker 1: more in too, our thoughts on the oncoming Flashpoint movie
Speaker 1: and what it's supposed to be, But we'll get into
Speaker 1: that after these messages. And we're back here with Sam Basher.
Speaker 1: So the c W show is what got you into
Speaker 1: the comics. I love that, and that's you're not the
Speaker 1: only person that has said that that they loved the
Speaker 1: show so much that it made them go back, and
Speaker 1: we should just say that. So Grant Gustin is the
Speaker 1: actor who when he was cast, I remember there was
Speaker 1: a lot of blogs and blogs, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of debate about him being Also he was younger, so
Speaker 1: typically our Barry Allen is you know, can be a
Speaker 1: little bit older, has a family, same with Wally West.
Speaker 1: And I actually like the fact that he, like, there's
Speaker 1: so much about The Flash that I was the same
Speaker 1: with if he were I didn't really like I didn't
Speaker 1: really grab onto him the way I did other characters.
Speaker 1: If I'm being totally honest, I was a Batman girl,
Speaker 1: like I just love he was like dark and broody.
Speaker 1: He gets me and my evanescence and inkst like, you know,
Speaker 1: my my chemical romance phase whatever. And uh, I really
Speaker 1: liked that. Well. I liked him back with the animated series,
Speaker 1: but I liked the darkness of him and I didn't
Speaker 1: really understand kind characters. So I love the fact that
Speaker 1: both Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller have this like awkward,
Speaker 1: like you know, relatable, likable character kind of child like
Speaker 1: a little bit child it's very innocent too, and they're
Speaker 1: pretty innocent. You could like some people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's immature. It's like no, it's more innocence that he
Speaker 1: kinda sees the people. Yeah, he's naive. And I really
Speaker 1: was excited because Great Guston showed up a Barry as
Speaker 1: just Barry, not the Flash on Arrow, and I was
Speaker 1: watching that right right, yeah. He Actually those are some
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes as a two parter, and you
Speaker 1: get to see that he's just excited, like he's excited
Speaker 1: about this world of something bigger out there, and those
Speaker 1: I remember were heavily well received. When he dropped in
Speaker 1: on Arrow, it was like game over. This kid's getting
Speaker 1: his own show now. There was actually some talk, just
Speaker 1: rumors through the grapevine or whatnot, but I had heard
Speaker 1: that later on in the Seat that would be season
Speaker 1: two of Arrow, they were thinking of having a kind
Speaker 1: of like back to our pilot in that in that
Speaker 1: season for Barry to see if like maybe we don't
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna be good, but since that tart
Speaker 1: did so well, they're like, no, we'll do a actual
Speaker 1: full pilot with like the full like order. And because
Speaker 1: if that wasn't going to do well. They were actually
Speaker 1: gonna maybe add Barry into Arrow as like a supporting character,
Speaker 1: which is actually also interesting. But I'm glad that he
Speaker 1: got his own show because I think season one of
Speaker 1: The Flash two, three, four, we just finished four have
Speaker 1: been because they have to make some certain decisions to
Speaker 1: make sure that Barry doesn't solve everyone's problems. But in
Speaker 1: season one, I think it's almost like a perfect Superhero
Speaker 1: origin season because it deals with the Reverse Flash. It
Speaker 1: was just really interesting and basically you're seeing it from
Speaker 1: the point of view of EO. Bard Cho. This is
Speaker 1: light spoilers for season one like if that, if that's cool,
Speaker 1: that's cool, but basically came out. Yeah, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 1: You can go watch the whole thing. So basically it
Speaker 1: opens with you, like you see Barry losing his mom
Speaker 1: and him growing up and there's no plan for him
Speaker 1: to be the Flash, and he ends up getting a
Speaker 1: mentor named Harrison Wells, and from there Harrison's kind of
Speaker 1: partially responsible for giving him his powers. But what you
Speaker 1: find out is Harrison is Reverse Flash and you realize
Speaker 1: that even though he wanted to take down Barry, in
Speaker 1: doing so, he stopped the speed force from ever being created,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have speed power, so he's stuck in
Speaker 1: the past. And from there he actually has to create
Speaker 1: the person that he hates more than anything so that
Speaker 1: he can go home, like he can't go home without him.
Speaker 1: And it's this kind of tragic, complicated feeling where a
Speaker 1: villain falls in love kind of like as a father
Speaker 1: figure for the person he hates the most, and he
Speaker 1: helped raise and helped create him to become the best
Speaker 1: version of himself because that means he gets to go home,
Speaker 1: and it makes him have to question everything about himself. EO.
Speaker 1: Bard is still a very bad person in that show,
Speaker 1: Like he's extremely about, very creepy, and it's um Tom
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh who plays him, and he's an amazing actor. But
Speaker 1: it's such an interesting choice to make where this person
Speaker 1: is from the future. He literally knows exactly what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and he's going to manipulate every little chess
Speaker 1: piece so that he can get what he wants, and like,
Speaker 1: how do you plan for that? How how could you about?
Speaker 1: How could you plan for that? And it it basically
Speaker 1: you get this amazing touching moment. It's actually a great
Speaker 1: moment where it showed that Grant Gustin like he can
Speaker 1: act like he's he as a theater actor, but you
Speaker 1: got to see him really spread his wings where you
Speaker 1: have this moment where he actually gets to talk with
Speaker 1: his mom, like right after Reverse Flash, that's what he does.
Speaker 1: And it's this moment where it's just like, you understand
Speaker 1: why people love Bury Allen because he can make that
Speaker 1: kind of sacrifice you saw it in Crisis on Infinite Notes.
Speaker 1: He's able to see that like this is something he
Speaker 1: can't maybe even fathom, because like with time travel, sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't fathom the problem, like the consequences of it.
Speaker 1: But he's still willing to make that kind of sacrifice
Speaker 1: for the greater good and for the people that he loves.
Speaker 1: And so that's one of that's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: elements of basically every Flash is that they are able
Speaker 1: to lay down their life and make these kind of
Speaker 1: crazy sacrifices while he's done it, be or in some
Speaker 1: way or another, but Berry is the one who does
Speaker 1: it the most often. And I think, trust me, there's
Speaker 1: so much more to season one of The Flash if
Speaker 1: you want to go watch it. It has actually one
Speaker 1: of the coolest uses of time travel because it's an accident,
Speaker 1: and it's really cool showing someone discovering time travel by acting,
Speaker 1: because you see how dangerous that can be if you
Speaker 1: don't know that he Barry does it by accident. It's
Speaker 1: a it's an amazing, beautiful scene and something. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: can go on and on and on, but I think
Speaker 1: if you want to know why I love Barry so much,
Speaker 1: that show does a good job and thanks to Jeff
Speaker 1: John's being a part of that and really kind of
Speaker 1: boiling down the best of wall In the best of
Speaker 1: Barry in creating this new character who is Grant Gustin's
Speaker 1: Berry Allen. But also I did like Ezra Miller's character
Speaker 1: in the Justice League movie. While that movie was played problems,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it as much as a Fast and the
Speaker 1: Furious movie, if that means anything. That's such a weird comparision,
Speaker 1: because it's like when you really try to like break
Speaker 1: it apart, you're like, what's what's happening? Actually, I just
Speaker 1: enjoy it for like the action of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, before we move on to Ezra Miller,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk just a little bit more about
Speaker 1: the c W shows of the Flash premiered in North
Speaker 1: America on October seven. The pilot became the second most
Speaker 1: watched premiere in the history of the c W, and
Speaker 1: that was after Vampire Diaries. And so calling Atwood actually
Speaker 1: worked on the costume. So his costume, if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, it's like a has a burgundy color scheme,
Speaker 1: a masked helmet, gold accent. So Grant actually had to
Speaker 1: have the Uh, it would take him approximately forty minutes
Speaker 1: to get into his costume, and just sitting in the
Speaker 1: makeup chair, I'm like, when whenever I hear these stories
Speaker 1: of like and it took seven hours of makeup, and
Speaker 1: like now when I'm in it for like twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell? And then they actually had
Speaker 1: to glue his mask to his face because it kept
Speaker 1: like sliding off. This was and then one other fact
Speaker 1: about it is the sound design for the show was
Speaker 1: handled by Mark Camperell, who he said, essentially the sound
Speaker 1: effect for Berry is made up of elements of thunder, electricity,
Speaker 1: jet fireballs, and various custom wishes and impacts. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna. He essentially wanted it to be treated like
Speaker 1: a hot rod he said, yeah, so that's a little
Speaker 1: that's in fact, that's actually a really cool fact. And
Speaker 1: I think it's the show that's used an air cannon
Speaker 1: more than anyone in the world. Whenever it takes off,
Speaker 1: there has to be an air cannons and everyone's hair
Speaker 1: gets blown every all papers go everywhere, Like, could you
Speaker 1: imagine if you did that like nine times a day,
Speaker 1: for five days a week. It's four years now, I
Speaker 1: get a little tired of it. But also in the
Speaker 1: first season, it was the only season where they actually
Speaker 1: had Grant and the team were like, oh, we gotta
Speaker 1: make him run, so that the like like in between
Speaker 1: shots were like you see him on a green screen
Speaker 1: or whatever, like that's actually him running. But later they realized, like,
Speaker 1: you were wasting a lot of time. Actually you don't
Speaker 1: have to sweat in that leather number. You can just
Speaker 1: we'll put your face on a CG person in a
Speaker 1: fine And that's surprising. Actually a lot of the CG
Speaker 1: stuffy're able to pull off in the Flash TV show
Speaker 1: actually looks pretty done good. It's not bad. Also very
Speaker 1: fun rogue. When we like talking about villains, Gorilla Grod
Speaker 1: is a very Yeah, he's a super popular telepathic ape
Speaker 1: telepathic talking ape from the Flash comics. But the way
Speaker 1: they introduced him in the Flash TV show is nothing
Speaker 1: like how they do in the comics, and they kind
Speaker 1: of make him like, uh, like a movie monster. The
Speaker 1: way he is portrayed, it's very cool, like we don't
Speaker 1: know if he's real or not. There's like whispers off him,
Speaker 1: and when he finally makes his debut, he looks awesome.
Speaker 1: And also classic actor Clancy Brown does the voice for
Speaker 1: him and he has a very important role with Grod.
Speaker 1: So another little reason to check out that season of
Speaker 1: The Flashy Check it out Netflix. Yeah, when you talked
Speaker 1: about the CG being good, you just took me back
Speaker 1: in time. Do you remember that show Mutant X. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well wait, it's the it's it was the X Men show.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the x Men show or like and they
Speaker 1: and I remember the c G and that was not
Speaker 1: that tight, and I remember thinking like, oh man, they
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for them to do superhero shows
Speaker 1: and just looking how far we've come. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: just you just made me remember that. I remember the
Speaker 1: Mutant XS. It ran It has sixty six episodes, but
Speaker 1: that's a lot it's actually a lot. Yeah, it ran
Speaker 1: for a minute. My favorite was small Ville. The way
Speaker 1: they do effects is that Clark just runs in pushes
Speaker 1: people against the wall, and then that's the that's they
Speaker 1: don't want them to fly. They don't want to have
Speaker 1: like laser vision too many times. It's always running and wooshing.
Speaker 1: You can always tell an early odds on the TV
Speaker 1: show because this cast photo was just oh wow, it's
Speaker 1: like very n c I s very insight. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that Linda Carter came up with the spin
Speaker 1: for Wonder Woman because it was like, how are we
Speaker 1: going to how is she going to get changed into
Speaker 1: her Wonder Woman outfit? And it was like having her
Speaker 1: arms out and spinn because that's not in the comics,
Speaker 1: So she came up with that for the show. I
Speaker 1: was bummed we didn't get Linda Carter at all in
Speaker 1: the movie, like not even like just like walking by
Speaker 1: and giving a wave or something. What if it turned out?
Speaker 1: She was like, under, I bet that they will in
Speaker 1: the second one, hopefully, and maybe we get a nod
Speaker 1: to this. You know, it would be amazing if she
Speaker 1: were a villain, that'd be really cool. Hi, let me
Speaker 1: call up Patty Jenkins right now, So moving on our
Speaker 1: final baby Flash right here is my favorite Ezra Miller.
Speaker 1: I feel like he was one of the best parts
Speaker 1: of Justice League. So he actually made his first cameo
Speaker 1: and Batman verst Superman Dawn of Justice that was back
Speaker 1: in then he had a cameo and Suicide Squad also,
Speaker 1: and then later as a lead in Justice League. In
Speaker 1: this is Kelly Canna Yama from Nurdics said, Ezra Miller's
Speaker 1: portrayal of the Flash made me a believer. As Barry Alan,
Speaker 1: Miller was not merely super speedy, but vulnerable, eager, awkward, alienated,
Speaker 1: and all around endearing. I mean he was also just
Speaker 1: comedically hilarious. But yeah, I thought he brought this element
Speaker 1: to the Justice League that was so needed. This like comedic,
Speaker 1: you know, lighthearted, also like just someone how would you
Speaker 1: act for you had superpower? You would probably be weird.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's like kind of like he's fast talking.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the patience for people like he like,
Speaker 1: and it's not meant to be rude. It's just that
Speaker 1: he can't understand why people won't talk faster and think
Speaker 1: faster and understanding faster because he can like he that's
Speaker 1: how his entire universe works. And I was on the fence,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't gonna go in and be upset about.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's just see because I like Ezra
Speaker 1: Milan a lot of roles, and I liked what he
Speaker 1: did because it was he was endearing and I love
Speaker 1: that he was a kid kind of like he was
Speaker 1: like he was like naive like Grant Gustin. And I
Speaker 1: love that line from Batman when he says, just save one,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what to do in such a
Speaker 1: big scenario. It's just like just if he's the EVA
Speaker 1: guy perfect, that's fine. Like he gets the people out
Speaker 1: of there and he just does like the quick run
Speaker 1: ins and get outs like that's I mean, sometimes that's
Speaker 1: all you need from the Flash, but you also get
Speaker 1: really awesome moments. So I wouldn't mind him in his
Speaker 1: own solo flash well. So, so he is going to
Speaker 1: be in his own and he's going to be in
Speaker 1: Flash Point. I personally feel like that he's going to
Speaker 1: crush I. I know you're concerns with the story as
Speaker 1: far as a movie and like what it's actually going
Speaker 1: to cover and if it can do so successfully covering
Speaker 1: the actual Flashpoint arc. But I don't know. I'm excited
Speaker 1: for and and the other characters that will get to
Speaker 1: from it. We could get a lot of really cool
Speaker 1: characters out of it. And basically, the original Flashpoint was
Speaker 1: meant to be a reset because comics at certain points
Speaker 1: become a little too dense for new readers to hop in.
Speaker 1: So the New fifty two was a reset. And that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of people are looking at. If if
Speaker 1: you made a Flashpoint movie, that means you want to
Speaker 1: reset the movies that you've already done, which seems it
Speaker 1: seems but but the fact is, if that's what they
Speaker 1: were doing, I'd be like, okay, yeah, color me interested,
Speaker 1: you know, especially with Ben Affleck not being Batman anymore.
Speaker 1: And so that does give them agency to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna recast, We're gonna wipe the world. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what they're doing. I don't think so either,
Speaker 1: because it's just kind of confusing to like, do we
Speaker 1: even watch those old movies anymore? Does that mean anything
Speaker 1: to anybody? But it could lead to a more positive outlook.
Speaker 1: They could just pretend, remember when we covered our Marvel one,
Speaker 1: it was like the whole oh no, he's not Edward Norton.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't bring that up at all, So
Speaker 1: let's not forget X Men first class. They came out,
Speaker 1: we're a little better and there in the time, and
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, I think that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to get rid of
Speaker 1: our girl gal though as wonder Woman, Like there's no
Speaker 1: way they're touching her in the next like eight years
Speaker 1: at least, So she's going to be our wonder Woman
Speaker 1: for a while just because of how successful she was
Speaker 1: as and she's great and very well loved in America's
Speaker 1: Sweetheart DC Sweetheart. So yeah, so I don't see them
Speaker 1: necessarily touching that. But I do think it would be
Speaker 1: so interesting if they had a different Batman or a
Speaker 1: different you know, it would be and like, like we
Speaker 1: talked about the Flashpoint, like we found out that Thomas
Speaker 1: Wayne was the one who was playing Batman, and we
Speaker 1: already saw Jeffrey Dean Morgan play him in the flashback
Speaker 1: for Batman Supermans of seeing him take up the mantle
Speaker 1: as also Flashpoint, Batman has like the coolest costume, Like
Speaker 1: my favorite Batman costume for like the male Batman characters.
Speaker 1: I really like the red and the red eyes and
Speaker 1: the red like his chest, so that would be really cool.
Speaker 1: And Cyborg plays a really big role in that. And
Speaker 1: you could see Gal playing like a more serious, like
Speaker 1: militaristic wonderment for just for just for a second. It's
Speaker 1: like a little else world story. And you could throw
Speaker 1: Zachary Levi's Sam in there as well. And Jason Momo
Speaker 1: could actually get more room to play because he didn't
Speaker 1: get to play that much as Aquaman in Justice League
Speaker 1: and seeing him be like this big, badass character could
Speaker 1: be really interesting. Yeah. I just pulled up this is
Speaker 1: um flashpoint Batman teased again by Jeffrey Dean Morrigan. This
Speaker 1: was back in December. Look at this image here do
Speaker 1: you see this? Uh? It's pretty cool. But I will
Speaker 1: say Flash could also be This was pitched a lot
Speaker 1: when Justice League was they're doing the press junkets that like,
Speaker 1: Flash could be like a Spider Man for d C
Speaker 1: because he's always lower tier. He always kind of deals
Speaker 1: with like ground based like thieves and whatnot. There are
Speaker 1: sci fi threats he goes against, but like seeing him
Speaker 1: go against his rogues in a movie would also be
Speaker 1: interesting as well, and it could since he's so h
Speaker 1: naive and he likes to make jokes, and he's very
Speaker 1: and his powers are kind of all over the place.
Speaker 1: You could get a really sweet and endearing story between
Speaker 1: him dealing with his father who's in prison, and dealing
Speaker 1: with the death of his mother. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: elements there that could lend to really good storytelling that
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be as big as Flashpoint, which could
Speaker 1: be interesting as well be true. So before we sign
Speaker 1: off on this, I know you mentioned several comics, but
Speaker 1: where should people start if they want to get into
Speaker 1: the flash comics. There's two flash rebirths. There's one about
Speaker 1: Barry Allen, like Reintroduced. That's a good one written by
Speaker 1: Jeff John's and then there's another flash rebirth where it's
Speaker 1: just like this is the beginning of a big story
Speaker 1: and you can start there, and that's written by Joshua Williamson.
Speaker 1: There's two walies right now. Don't worry, I'll figure out
Speaker 1: what that means exactly, and you'll get a bunch of
Speaker 1: new speedsters. So that way you get to feel like
Speaker 1: you're in on it. But my and again I mentioned
Speaker 1: Mark Wade, that's a that's a classic run for Wally West.
Speaker 1: But my personal favorite interpretation of the Flash is Darwin Cook.
Speaker 1: He wrote and he drew do you see a new Frontier?
Speaker 1: And that's so beautiful. It's amazing, and I wish I
Speaker 1: could buy all the prints from it. But the premises
Speaker 1: when the characters were creating in our world is when
Speaker 1: they actually appeared in their world. So the stories come
Speaker 1: from the nineteen thirties and the forties and the fifties.
Speaker 1: And when you see baryons introduction in the way, they
Speaker 1: show his powers and they show just like how fun
Speaker 1: loving he can be and actually how powerful he actually
Speaker 1: is and why he deserves to be on the Justice
Speaker 1: League and how important he is. Darwin Cook nails it
Speaker 1: like he it's a beautiful story. So if you want
Speaker 1: beautifully drawn, so beautiful. I remember when he passed away,
Speaker 1: I like went out and picked up something they had,
Speaker 1: like a ton of his comics and stuff. I think
Speaker 1: it was that Golden Apple comics here in Hollywood. It
Speaker 1: was so you just want to like take I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that people don't like this, but I just
Speaker 1: want to cut the pages of the frame them. I
Speaker 1: got to everybody just chill man. Well, if you do
Speaker 1: have any has Sam you know enlightened you at all?
Speaker 1: And some of the more in depth aspects of the
Speaker 1: Flash not being so singular, because I do have to
Speaker 1: say you kind of like a very singular character in
Speaker 1: our other show that we're both of sessed with who
Speaker 1: reminds me quite of the Flash because he's naive and
Speaker 1: also sacrifices himself. I will say as a recommendation, it's
Speaker 1: my favorite Flash moment that has ever been captured in
Speaker 1: like film or TV. The Justice League cartoon, I think
Speaker 1: it right now it's off, but once that d c
Speaker 1: app comes out that they're doing for Titans and Doom Patrol,
Speaker 1: you can check it out there the final stretch of
Speaker 1: the show, they have this amazing moment where they really
Speaker 1: solify why the Flash is important to the Justice League.
Speaker 1: Because he's so young and he has a younger outlook
Speaker 1: on life. He's able to kind of keep them in
Speaker 1: check when they get more militaristic. Even Superman can kind
Speaker 1: of lose it after a while, like being around Batman
Speaker 1: and Wonder Woman because they're more serious. And there is
Speaker 1: this moment where the Justice League is taken out and
Speaker 1: Flash runs away and you think, like, is he leaving
Speaker 1: and no, it's just it's a moment where they show
Speaker 1: just how powerful he is and how far he's willing
Speaker 1: to go to protect the people that he loves, and
Speaker 1: you get this awesome moment where you actually see him
Speaker 1: run around the world on multiple times and showing the
Speaker 1: kind of like raw power he actually has. While there's
Speaker 1: sci fi elements that kind of get confusing that are
Speaker 1: attached to his character, you can see that deep down
Speaker 1: keys of Powerhouse and given the chance, he could take
Speaker 1: out most of the heroes and the villains in the
Speaker 1: DC universe, And there's a perfect example of that in
Speaker 1: that episode. So check that out if you guys want
Speaker 1: to check that out. Just League cartoon is still also
Speaker 1: just really entertaining if you don't want to just watch
Speaker 1: that part. So, so we're talking about the new one
Speaker 1: Justice League Unlimited or the Unlimited. Did you like the
Speaker 1: Flashpoint paradox I dug that. Yeah, there's those very surprise
Speaker 1: of how well they adapt a lot of those stories
Speaker 1: and just how entertaining those animated movies are. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if if people don't know, you can watch that. That's
Speaker 1: an animated film that came out in it was Justice
Speaker 1: League The flash Point Paradox. It might be another one
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