WEBVTT - Shrek Forever After 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.960 On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.560 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.520 husbands or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, z 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:16.000 EFFI bast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.320 Hello, and welcome to the Shrektel Cast. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:27.800 Whoas twenty twenty four baby nothing matters anymore and we're 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:33.239 rebranding women. It's over intersectionality. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.800 It's all about Shreks now, it's all. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.880 About Shrek hates being a father. After one week, it's 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.320 so hard, it stinks. We don't like it. Oh, raising 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.280 my own children. I feel fucking sick in my head. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.880 What would the Shrektel test be? Oh? 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.880 I think this? Okay? I was gonna make an argument 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.240 that this movie really passes attractile test because it's like, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.760 how many Shreks are talking to each other about being 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:08.160 Shrek in this movie. Like there's a whole sequence whereas 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.160 just like Shreks are talking to Shreks are talking to Shreks, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.399 and they're talking about liberating Shreks. I'm like, this is like, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.759 this is the Shrek Dell test. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:16.960 All. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.440 It was like it's almost like you know when you 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.479 see seeing in a Marvel movie that it's like, oh, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.160 someone told Kevin Faigey about the Bechdel Test, and now 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.720 he's like, well, just have something, have something, and it 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.399 feels forced. It was like that, but with like four 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:33.479 hundred Shreks. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.600 I there's a John ham Shrek. There's a unbelieveable Craig 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.160 Robinson Shrek. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.240 There is a Craig Robinson Shrek. There's a Kristin Shawl Shrek. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:49.520 No witch, but there is a everyone is Jane Lynch's Shrek. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.160 There is a Jane Lynch Shrek. And if that's not 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.920 twenty ten, tell me what is. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:59.080 I mean? Seriously, the witches have green skin. You think 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.880 there would be solid among the witches and the Shreks. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.920 And I have some thoughts on that, and I have 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.520 some thoughts on that. And also like the randomest man 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:15.120 in the world, Walt Dorn, who no offense to Walt Dorn, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.840 but who are you? It's baffling. Anyways, He's truly some guy. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.000 He like works in animation and they're like, you're fun, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.720 and it's like he, I mean, whatever, whatever. This is 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.720 a main feed. Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name's 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:31.840 Jimmie Loftis. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.880 My name is Caitlin Derante, and this is our show 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.680 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminis lens. Before 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:44.040 we even get into more details about that, the Shrek sinle? 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.919 What Intershrek sinle? Excuse me, I can't try to say 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.160 Intershrek sinle? 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.000 No feminist lens. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.680 Do you see your isaacly I did see it and 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:55.960 I loved it. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:57.760 Thank you Aten. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:06.359 Before we talk any more about intertrectionality, yep, I would 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.960 love to plug the tour that we have coming up. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.679 So you might have already heard listeners that Jamie and 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:18.040 I are going on tour and it's for the most 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.240 part a tour where we are covering the movie Barbie, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.800 so get excited. We are doing shows in San Francisco 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.360 for SF Sketch Fest on February first, then we're scooping 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.240 over to Sacramento. We're doing a show on Barbie that 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.480 unfortunately is already sold out, but we are doing a 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.960 second show on the Wolf of Wall Street because we're like, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.480 we got to double up on Margot Robbie movies. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.200 Which is such a confusing thing to pair with Barbie 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.880 that it is not yet sold out and you could 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.000 still get tickets to it. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.320 Yeah, Well, we were like, should we do Oppenheimer And 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.040 then we were unanimously like, no, we should not, thank you, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.360 so we're doing Wolf of Wall Street instead. There are 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.560 still tickets available to that show in Sacramento on February second. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.920 On February third, we will be in Dallas covering Barbie. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:10.800 Still tickets to that show available. On February fifth, we 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.360 will be in Austin, and then we're scooting back to 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.839 California to do a show in San Diego on February tenth, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.000 and all of those shows are also us covering Barbie, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.040 and we're gonna have a blast. We have so much 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.200 fun during the live shows. We do extra things. We 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.520 do slide shows, we do games, we wear fun outfits. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.400 There's lots of goofs. We usually eat on stage, you know, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:36.240 things like that. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.520 There's always a meet and greed afterwards. There's tour exclusive birch. 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.320 It's a blast and actually I feel like to transition 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.800 back to the main episode that today we'll have a 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:51.159 similar vibe because they tend to be kind of chaotic 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.760 and fun. We like to cover fun movies live and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.200 we also love to cover fun but also socially impactful 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.360 movies to start the But if you would like to 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.520 get tickets to that that tour, which you should, Yes, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.520 you can go to the link in the bio or 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.039 go to link tree our link tree which is l 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:14.520 I n K t R dot ee slash Bechdel Cast 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.599 pain in the ass. Well worth it and we'll see 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:19.320 you at the show. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.080 Yeah. But now back to Shrek. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.760 Back to the Shrektel cast. Yeah, okay, so this is 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.200 it's interesting. I feel like, because our show has been 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.599 around for so long, we're reaching the end of a 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.320 lot of franchises we've been covering for for many years. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.680 I mean, we fortunately they made a season two of 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.880 the Santa claus Is for us to cover with Grace 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.640 this year. But you know, for a while, it seemed 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.840 like we were we were gonna be out right, and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.040 we have. We still have the Puss and Booth spin offs. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.560 But this is the final canonical Shrek movie we have 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.160 not covered on the show. We're covering Shrek now forever after. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.600 Should we tell people what the Buckdel cast test is? 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.760 Well, we already discussed the Shrektel test, and I think 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:08.520 that covers it now. Yeah, the show is named after 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.440 the Bechdel Test, although we only ever use it as 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.920 a jumping off point to initiate larger conversations about representation 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.279 and intersectionality. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:19.159 And the truth. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.720 And it is a media metric created by Allison Bechdel 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.599 along with her pal Liz Wallace, and so it's often 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.440 called the Bechdel Wallace Test. It was a test that 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.240 first appeared in Allison Bechdel's Duck to Watch Out For 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.680 in the eighties, examining how women rarely speak to each 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.560 other in movies, and specifically queer women in the representation 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.839 of them in mainstream cinema. So that was what the 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.400 test was originally. There are many versions of it. Ours 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.920 is this, do two characters of a marginalized gender have names? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.600 Do they speak to each other? And is their conversation 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.520 about something other than a man? And we especially like 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.640 it if the conversation has some kind of like narrative 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:11.960 oomph to. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:16.040 It, a little hoof, a little oof, a little fun. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.720 Yeah. So yes, that is the Bechdel Test. Not to 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.000 be confused with the Shrektel test, which. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.520 We already we don't even need to talk about it 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.080 again because we already know that this movie heartily passes heavily. 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.840 But yeah, today we are talking about Shrek Forever after 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.720 Shrek four. Many call it Shrek Forever after it was 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.760 released in twenty ten, which I know because I went 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.679 on a date to see this movie in high school. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.640 Thank you very much. It made three quarters of a 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.960 billion dollars, which is a really shocking statistic for a 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.680 movie that is both eighty minutes long and horrible, not 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.880 very good. I would say this is the weakest installed. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.840 It's the weakest installment for me by a country mile. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.640 Really, It's just I find Shrek the Third to be 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:08.960 a lot less. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.640 Enjoyable Shrek the Third. I mean, I guess that this 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.120 one is mercifully shorter. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.800 It's not even they're both like eighty one minutes long. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.600 Yeah, wow, Okay, I mean I guess I the third 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.920 one is with Arty right ARTI pendrive. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.320 Justin Timberlake, isn't it? 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.200 For some reason, the justin Timberlake one is pretty bad. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.120 I still feel like Shrek four takes it for me, uh, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.040 just because of the internal messaging. I feel like, you know, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.000 in Shrek one, and we've talked about this show, how 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.120 Shrek changed everything. And I'm just quoting James Gun when 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.760 I say that, Yeah, yeah, of course Shrek changed everything. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.600 And I think that that is unfortunately, whether you like 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:57.040 it or not, that is true. Yeah, Shrek changed children's 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:02.400 entertainment for a long time, forever after, even forever after. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.079 It ain't ogre till it's ogre to quote the poster 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:07.679 of this movie. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.000 But the tagline of the movie. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.160 Unfortunately, Yes, because this was marketed as the final chapter. Oh, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.079 that's which I mean in terms of canonical Shrek movies, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.560 it's the you know, it's been fourteen years now, it's 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:26.480 been fourteen years and I can still smell the fresh farts. Wow. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.720 We have options, But in any case, I feel like 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.560 this franchise starts with like Fiona, who, as we've talked 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.440 about over the years, is she a you know, perfect 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.120 feminist character. No, but I feel like she is like disenfranchised. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.440 Does the movies go on like Shrek One Fiona is 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.800 the best Fiona, and then we just see her like 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.880 wifified and in Shrek Forever After, which we'll talk about, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:58.720 we see an alternate reality Fiona where she is more empowered. Yes, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.640 but also there's all I don't know I think that 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.960 this the Shrek Forever After kind of fucked with my 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.960 head because we just covered because we're recording this in 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.040 late December, we just did our live show about It's 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.040 a Wonderful Life, and I'm just bowled over with how 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.840 many feature films there are about how the world would 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.520 be a shithole if one man didn't exist. I just 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:20.240 don't buy it. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.040 Okay, we're on the same wavelength as per usual. Because 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.880 I finished this movie, I was like, Wow, that was 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.120 just the exact same plot as It's a Wonderful Life. However, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.080 which movie do I like more? I think that Shrek 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.839 Forever After is a better movie than It's a Wonderful Life. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.280 And I know that is probably one of the most 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.760 controversial statements ever made, But I have a master's degree 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.360 in film and screenwriting, which I would never mention, but 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.440 it does give me the credibility to say that, and 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.760 you have to believe me, and you have to agree 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.800 with me because of my credentials. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:02.600 I respect your a pion, Yeah, thank you so much, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.679 our respect your opinion. This movie stinks. This movie is stinky, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.080 stinky poop poop. But but who's going to argue with 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.600 a quarter billion or three quarters of a billion dollars. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.760 I have one last thing to say before we talk 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.640 about this. For over an hour, I was thinking about 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.640 the year twenty ten, right, Obama's first term. Yeah, remember 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.880 that in any case, Shrek as a popular You know, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.840 this is a decade that Shrek owns true, right, Yes, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.920 but things in movies are shifting. Shrek Forever After did 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.880 it make seven hundred and fifty six million dollars. It 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.960 sure did, But that is less money than Shrek the 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.320 Third Maid and even less money than Shrek two made. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.880 Wo So Shrek's on the downturn. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:51.720 Yeah, right. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.120 And also four movies in a decade, that's a lot. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.040 That's a lot. That's you know, we've maybe reached peak 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.520 Shrek saturation. We've also I've got Kung Fu Panda, right, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.800 We've got other DreamWorks that comes out in two thousand 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.800 and eight, kind of coming for Shrek's Crown, that comes 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.760 up between Shrek the Third and Shrek Forever After. But 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.240 most pertinently, and I feel like you know where I'm 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.400 going with this. Oh, I already know a very important 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.320 movie comes out in twenty ten, and I would say 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:26.760 derails Shrek's chances at being a powerful franchise for over 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.360 a decade. Okay, maybe even a more dominant species. I mean, 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:31.720 do you know what movie I'm talking about? 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.960 Obviously you're talking about Despicable Me starring the Minions. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.040 Yes, I had to check because I also went on 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.080 a date in high school to see Despicable of Me. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.520 Of course, because when I was in high school I 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:47.120 was ten. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.800 Okay, I don't know if you remember this, but I 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.880 went back and re listened to our Shrek the Third 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.240 episode in which you very publicly and openly say that 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.720 you got fingered during the screen of Shrek the Third 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:02.520 in the theater. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.439 I wasn't going to bring that up today because New 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.480 Year knew me. But you're right, I have to No, no, no, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.600 don't edit it out. I need to own my past. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.400 You're right, and you would be right to say it. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:15.160 Thank you. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.160 Wow. I really don't know how to look out for 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:26.280 myself whatsoever. Okay, So running the numbers, Running the numbers, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.080 because a little film called Despicable Me comes out in 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.160 twenty ten. Let's see how close they came out together. Okay, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.400 Despicable Me starring of course grew in Le Mignon's that 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.600 comes out June ninth. Shrek Forever After, I think would 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.360 come out a little earlier. Yes, April May, in wide 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.520 release May twenty first. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:49.920 That's my sister's birthday. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.800 Wow, she must have been so thrilled this year. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:54.400 Yes, she was. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.680 So they come out within a month of each other. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:01.560 Now I'm looking at domestic gross because Shrek Forever After 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.240 it's got global clout, right, so it takes despicable me 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:11.320 over in worldwide gross, but domestic grows. Something fascinating happens. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.400 Despicable me edges. Shrek for Americans are done with this guy. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.560 American said, no, we won't give him any more than 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.560 two hundred and thirty eight million dollars, seven hundred and 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.560 thirty six, seven hundred eighty seven dollars. Okay, But these 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.920 new guys, the Minions, they're like, wait, big Green guy, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.880 more like little little Yellow guy, because they give the 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.840 minions two hundred and fifty one million, five hundred and 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.920 thirteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty five dollars just a 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:43.680 smidge more. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:44.400 Uh huh. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.560 And I just think that's it. There's sort of like 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.520 a changing of the because Shrek changed everything. But also 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.680 you gotta hang up that leather vest at some point. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:15:00.520 Pals It's true. Well, and now we are in minion era. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.000 We are in the minion era Shrek era over except 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.600 I know if you google is Shrek five happening? I 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.200 know the answer is Shrek five is slated to come 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.840 out in twenty twenty five, So we are actually not 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:16.720 done with Shrek. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.960 And I'm I'm thrilled and I think I honestly, as 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.840 I was watching this movie, I was telling my boyfriend 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.160 was like, I really think if Shrek came back after 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.640 fifteen years and he's been on a fascinating I mean, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.360 and I'm not going to get into my history of 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.320 the Shrek culture. I know I've done on the show before, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.880 but he'd been on this fascinating journey where he's like 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.400 kind of a big joke but also so beloved that 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.000 I feel like Shrek would be Shrek five would make 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.360 a billion dollars if it was good. If it was good, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.280 it would make a billion dollars if it. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.040 Was like Shrek two quality. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.880 Exactly, or even I mean, I think we can even 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.360 dream bigger the last Oh yeah, and also I wanted 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.080 to say, the next highest grossing movie after Despicable Me 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.160 was inception. I just thought that was funn. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.560 Oh wow, I think. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.080 And also the minions have been you know, dominant for 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.160 you know, over ten years, going on fifteen years now, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.360 so it's it's time for a challenger to enter the ring. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.840 Certainly not gonna be Secret Life of motherfucking Pets, I'll 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.240 tell you that much boo toy story for dogs. Try harder. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.520 Yeah. Well, anyway, okay, so you what's your history for 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.600 Shrek four. I had never seen it before. This was 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.440 the only Shrek installment that I well, not including I 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.760 haven't seen the first Puss and Boots movie. I famously 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.960 love Puss and Boots the Last Wish, which came out 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.520 in late twenty twenty two. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.920 I finally saw it a couple of weeks ago. It's great. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.240 Do you think, isn't it so good? It's really good, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.200 and it's beautiful. It's so well animated. Yeah, Visually it's amazing, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.520 Narratively it's amazing. Thematically, it's amazing. I love that movie. Anyway, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.840 I had never seen Shrek four because yeah, by the 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.760 time time twenty ten rolled around, I think I did 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.399 have Shrek fatigue, and yeah, I just wasn't we were 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.919 suffering enthusiastic about it anymore. So I didn't see it. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.800 So yeah, that's my short history with Shrek Forever after. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.680 But you saw it in theaters? 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.760 Yes, I did, and I have nothing else to say. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.040 Cool cool, cool, All right, Well, Shelby dive deeper into 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.280 it and do the recap. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.520 Oh I guess I should say I also did not 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.240 like this movie when it came out. In my opinion 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.919 has not been unfortunately, you know, time has not healed 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.640 that wound for me. I still don't like it. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.600 I see for me. The ranking goes as follows Shrek 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:48.359 two number one, Shrek one number two, Shruk four number three, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:53.040 and then Shrek three number four. Wow, amazing, I'm going 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:53.840 to and. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:59.200 Thret four, three and four are both so storid. Yeah, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.800 they might be tied for last because I kind of 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.560 forgot about the whole the justin Timberlake of it all 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.359 that was really challenging. But I also hate, like, I 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.400 just feel like rumpel Stiltskin should just be far Quad again. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.480 Why are we? Why are we doing rumpel Stiltskin. Can't 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.000 we just like give far Quad a magic wand like 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.600 I feel like it's the same. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:27.400 Character Yeah, I'm just fatigued. It's annoying. Should I say 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:28.359 what the movie is about? 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:29.320 Let's do it. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.280 Let's take a quick break first, and then we'll come 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:43.119 back for the recap. We're back, all right? Here is 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.919 this Shrek Forever? 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.240 After buckle In. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:53.480 The movie opens on the standard Shrek storybook opening, explaining 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:58.240 that Fiona's parents, the King and Queen, had locked Fiona 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.359 in a tower guarded by a dress, but as time 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.960 wore on and her curse still hadn't been broken, they 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.359 had to resort to desperate measures. So we cut to 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:14.280 the King and Queen approaching rumpel stilt Skin, voiced by 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.600 what's his name again, Walt Dorn. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.040 I feel so bad, but I'm like, who is this bad? It? 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.240 I mean, I guess, I guess it's kind of a 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.480 double standard because you're like, oh, who voices the minions? 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.280 Pierre Colfet, That's who. But he also is like some 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.800 random guy in animation. But he's not some random guy 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:36.800 and animation anymore. I mean, fortunately, Walt Dorn still some 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.719 random guy and animation where Pierre Coffin has transcended and 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.320 is the voice of every minion. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.720 Wow. Amazing. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.560 Anyways, random guy don't know, Okay. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.640 So they approach rumpel Stiltskin to see if he can 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.879 put an end to Fiona's curse that turns her into 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.720 an ogre at night, and rumpel Stiltskin's like, yeah, I'll 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.400 do it, and in exchange, you have to sign away 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.119 the kingdom far far away. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:08.400 These damn parents are just terrific. Maybe it's maybe it's 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.080 like commentary or something, but they just, like in each 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.800 and every movie, they mismanage and gamble their people's lives 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:20.520 away because they're embarrassed of their daughter's physical appearance. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.320 It's so bad, yep, okay. So they are about to 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.040 sign away their kingdom in exchange for like Fiona's curse 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.720 to be lifted, but just then someone comes in to 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.600 be like Princess Fiona has been saved parentheses by Shrek, 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:42.000 and this makes Rumpelstiltskin furious because he wants control over 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.600 far far away. We then cut to Shrek in his swamp. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.879 He and Fiona are raising their three ogre babies. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.200 As promised at the end of Shrek the Third. Can 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.080 I just say and let me know if this is 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.840 at a pocket? I hate looking at those damn Ogre babies. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.359 They look like shit. They're so oh I hate they 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.119 make me sick to look they look like adults. 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.480 It's upsetting. I don't like them either. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.800 The least you can do when you're making animated anything 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.640 is ensure that you can make a baby version of 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.960 your character. That's cute. That's the Muppet baby law. Like, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.600 it's not that hard. I don't think that it would 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.040 have been impossible to make a cute Shrek baby or 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.560 a cute The fact that the Donkey dragon babies also 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:38.159 look like shit scary. That's a slam dunk. That's so cute. 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.520 But they fuck it up, they fake time it up. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:42.919 I don't know what. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.919 I don't know what they're doing, but I know what 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:46.600 they aren't doing. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.840 Uh. We see Shrek and Fiona. Of course Donkey and 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.880 Puss and Boots are also there. But the monotony and 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:03.600 repetitiveness of life is really getting to Shrek. Also, people 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.000 aren't scared of Ogres the way they used to be. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.280 They're not scared of Shrek anymore, which is abundantly clear 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.359 when they go too far far away for Shrek and 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.080 Fiona's kids birthday party. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.919 There's a lot to be said about this whole, like 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:23.960 Shrek is fatigued of being a parent, while we're led 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:27.880 to believe Fiona it just comes naturally to her. We'll 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.280 talk about that. Yeah, but can I just say the 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.560 little kid who says dude, they roar, uh huh. I 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:35.160 was laughing. 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.120 See, I hated him. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.040 Every time he said it, I was laughing. 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:39.680 I hate Wow. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.679 That was the one laugh this movie got out of me. 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.399 And then when Shrek roars he says, I love you daddy, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:49.280 I was laughing. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.040 I think this movie got zero laughs out of me. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.960 Every joke Wow falls flat on its face. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.399