1
00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,960
Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

2
00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,560
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and

3
00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,520
Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, z

4
00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,000
Speaker 1: EFFI bast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

5
00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Shrektel Cast.

6
00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:27,800
Speaker 3: Whoas twenty twenty four baby nothing matters anymore and we're

7
00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,239
Speaker 3: rebranding women. It's over intersectionality.

8
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,800
Speaker 2: It's all about Shreks now, it's all.

9
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,880
Speaker 3: About Shrek hates being a father. After one week, it's

10
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:45,320
Speaker 3: so hard, it stinks. We don't like it. Oh, raising

11
00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,280
Speaker 3: my own children. I feel fucking sick in my head.

12
00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,880
Speaker 2: What would the Shrektel test be? Oh?

13
00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,880
Speaker 3: I think this? Okay? I was gonna make an argument

14
00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,240
Speaker 3: that this movie really passes attractile test because it's like,

15
00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 3: how many Shreks are talking to each other about being

16
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,160
Speaker 3: Shrek in this movie. Like there's a whole sequence whereas

17
00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 3: just like Shreks are talking to Shreks are talking to Shreks,

18
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,399
Speaker 3: and they're talking about liberating Shreks. I'm like, this is like,

19
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,759
Speaker 3: this is the Shrek Dell test.

20
00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:16,960
Speaker 2: All.

21
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,440
Speaker 3: It was like it's almost like you know when you

22
00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,479
Speaker 3: see seeing in a Marvel movie that it's like, oh,

23
00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,160
Speaker 3: someone told Kevin Faigey about the Bechdel Test, and now

24
00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,720
Speaker 3: he's like, well, just have something, have something, and it

25
00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,399
Speaker 3: feels forced. It was like that, but with like four

26
00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,479
Speaker 3: hundred Shreks.

27
00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,600
Speaker 2: I there's a John ham Shrek. There's a unbelieveable Craig

28
00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,160
Speaker 2: Robinson Shrek.

29
00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,240
Speaker 3: There is a Craig Robinson Shrek. There's a Kristin Shawl Shrek.

30
00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,520
Speaker 2: No witch, but there is a everyone is Jane Lynch's Shrek.

31
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 3: There is a Jane Lynch Shrek. And if that's not

32
00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,920
Speaker 3: twenty ten, tell me what is.

33
00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,080
Speaker 2: I mean? Seriously, the witches have green skin. You think

34
00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 2: there would be solid among the witches and the Shreks.

35
00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,920
Speaker 3: And I have some thoughts on that, and I have

36
00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,520
Speaker 3: some thoughts on that. And also like the randomest man

37
00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:15,120
Speaker 3: in the world, Walt Dorn, who no offense to Walt Dorn,

38
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,840
Speaker 3: but who are you? It's baffling. Anyways, He's truly some guy.

39
00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,000
Speaker 3: He like works in animation and they're like, you're fun,

40
00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,720
Speaker 3: and it's like he, I mean, whatever, whatever. This is

41
00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,720
Speaker 3: a main feed. Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name's

42
00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:31,840
Speaker 3: Jimmie Loftis.

43
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,880
Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Derante, and this is our show

44
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,680
Speaker 2: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminis lens. Before

45
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,040
Speaker 2: we even get into more details about that, the Shrek sinle?

46
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,919
Speaker 2: What Intershrek sinle? Excuse me, I can't try to say

47
00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 2: Intershrek sinle?

48
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,000
Speaker 3: No feminist lens.

49
00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,680
Speaker 2: Do you see your isaacly I did see it and

50
00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,960
Speaker 2: I loved it.

51
00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Thank you Aten.

52
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:06,359
Speaker 2: Before we talk any more about intertrectionality, yep, I would

53
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,960
Speaker 2: love to plug the tour that we have coming up. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

54
00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,679
Speaker 2: So you might have already heard listeners that Jamie and

55
00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,040
Speaker 2: I are going on tour and it's for the most

56
00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,240
Speaker 2: part a tour where we are covering the movie Barbie,

57
00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,800
Speaker 2: so get excited. We are doing shows in San Francisco

58
00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,360
Speaker 2: for SF Sketch Fest on February first, then we're scooping

59
00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,240
Speaker 2: over to Sacramento. We're doing a show on Barbie that

60
00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,480
Speaker 2: unfortunately is already sold out, but we are doing a

61
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,960
Speaker 2: second show on the Wolf of Wall Street because we're like,

62
00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,480
Speaker 2: we got to double up on Margot Robbie movies.

63
00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,200
Speaker 3: Which is such a confusing thing to pair with Barbie

64
00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,880
Speaker 3: that it is not yet sold out and you could

65
00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,000
Speaker 3: still get tickets to it.

66
00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we were like, should we do Oppenheimer And

67
00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 2: then we were unanimously like, no, we should not, thank you,

68
00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,360
Speaker 2: so we're doing Wolf of Wall Street instead. There are

69
00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,560
Speaker 2: still tickets available to that show in Sacramento on February second.

70
00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 2: On February third, we will be in Dallas covering Barbie.

71
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Still tickets to that show available. On February fifth, we

72
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 2: will be in Austin, and then we're scooting back to

73
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,839
Speaker 2: California to do a show in San Diego on February tenth,

74
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,000
Speaker 2: and all of those shows are also us covering Barbie,

75
00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,040
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have a blast. We have so much

76
00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,200
Speaker 2: fun during the live shows. We do extra things. We

77
00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,520
Speaker 2: do slide shows, we do games, we wear fun outfits.

78
00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,400
Speaker 2: There's lots of goofs. We usually eat on stage, you know,

79
00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,240
Speaker 2: things like that.

80
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,520
Speaker 3: There's always a meet and greed afterwards. There's tour exclusive birch.

81
00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,320
Speaker 3: It's a blast and actually I feel like to transition

82
00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,800
Speaker 3: back to the main episode that today we'll have a

83
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,159
Speaker 3: similar vibe because they tend to be kind of chaotic

84
00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,760
Speaker 3: and fun. We like to cover fun movies live and

85
00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 3: we also love to cover fun but also socially impactful

86
00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,360
Speaker 3: movies to start the But if you would like to

87
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,520
Speaker 3: get tickets to that that tour, which you should, Yes,

88
00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,520
Speaker 3: you can go to the link in the bio or

89
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,039
Speaker 3: go to link tree our link tree which is l

90
00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,520
Speaker 3: I n K t R dot ee slash Bechdel Cast

91
00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,599
Speaker 3: pain in the ass. Well worth it and we'll see

92
00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 3: you at the show.

93
00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. But now back to Shrek.

94
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 3: Back to the Shrektel cast. Yeah, okay, so this is

95
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,200
Speaker 3: it's interesting. I feel like, because our show has been

96
00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,599
Speaker 3: around for so long, we're reaching the end of a

97
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,320
Speaker 3: lot of franchises we've been covering for for many years.

98
00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we fortunately they made a season two of

99
00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,880
Speaker 3: the Santa claus Is for us to cover with Grace

100
00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,640
Speaker 3: this year. But you know, for a while, it seemed

101
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,840
Speaker 3: like we were we were gonna be out right, and

102
00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,040
Speaker 3: we have. We still have the Puss and Booth spin offs.

103
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,560
Speaker 3: But this is the final canonical Shrek movie we have

104
00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,160
Speaker 3: not covered on the show. We're covering Shrek now forever after.

105
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,600
Speaker 3: Should we tell people what the Buckdel cast test is?

106
00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,760
Speaker 2: Well, we already discussed the Shrektel test, and I think

107
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 2: that covers it now. Yeah, the show is named after

108
00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,440
Speaker 2: the Bechdel Test, although we only ever use it as

109
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,920
Speaker 2: a jumping off point to initiate larger conversations about representation

110
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,279
Speaker 2: and intersectionality.

111
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,159
Speaker 3: And the truth.

112
00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,720
Speaker 2: And it is a media metric created by Allison Bechdel

113
00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,599
Speaker 2: along with her pal Liz Wallace, and so it's often

114
00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,440
Speaker 2: called the Bechdel Wallace Test. It was a test that

115
00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,240
Speaker 2: first appeared in Allison Bechdel's Duck to Watch Out For

116
00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,680
Speaker 2: in the eighties, examining how women rarely speak to each

117
00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,560
Speaker 2: other in movies, and specifically queer women in the representation

118
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,839
Speaker 2: of them in mainstream cinema. So that was what the

119
00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,400
Speaker 2: test was originally. There are many versions of it. Ours

120
00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,920
Speaker 2: is this, do two characters of a marginalized gender have names?

121
00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,600
Speaker 2: Do they speak to each other? And is their conversation

122
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,520
Speaker 2: about something other than a man? And we especially like

123
00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,640
Speaker 2: it if the conversation has some kind of like narrative

124
00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 2: oomph to.

125
00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 3: It, a little hoof, a little oof, a little fun.

126
00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yes, that is the Bechdel Test. Not to

127
00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,000
Speaker 2: be confused with the Shrektel test, which.

128
00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,520
Speaker 3: We already we don't even need to talk about it

129
00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 3: again because we already know that this movie heartily passes heavily.

130
00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, today we are talking about Shrek Forever after

131
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,720
Speaker 3: Shrek four. Many call it Shrek Forever after it was

132
00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,760
Speaker 3: released in twenty ten, which I know because I went

133
00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,679
Speaker 3: on a date to see this movie in high school.

134
00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,640
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. It made three quarters of a

135
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,960
Speaker 3: billion dollars, which is a really shocking statistic for a

136
00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,680
Speaker 3: movie that is both eighty minutes long and horrible, not

137
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,880
Speaker 3: very good. I would say this is the weakest installed.

138
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 3: It's the weakest installment for me by a country mile.

139
00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,640
Speaker 2: Really, It's just I find Shrek the Third to be

140
00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 2: a lot less.

141
00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 3: Enjoyable Shrek the Third. I mean, I guess that this

142
00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,120
Speaker 3: one is mercifully shorter.

143
00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,800
Speaker 2: It's not even they're both like eighty one minutes long.

144
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Okay, I mean I guess I the third

145
00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,920
Speaker 3: one is with Arty right ARTI pendrive.

146
00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,320
Speaker 2: Justin Timberlake, isn't it?

147
00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,200
Speaker 3: For some reason, the justin Timberlake one is pretty bad.

148
00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,120
Speaker 3: I still feel like Shrek four takes it for me, uh,

149
00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,040
Speaker 3: just because of the internal messaging. I feel like, you know,

150
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000
Speaker 3: in Shrek one, and we've talked about this show, how

151
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,120
Speaker 3: Shrek changed everything. And I'm just quoting James Gun when

152
00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,760
Speaker 3: I say that, Yeah, yeah, of course Shrek changed everything.

153
00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,600
Speaker 3: And I think that that is unfortunately, whether you like

154
00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,040
Speaker 3: it or not, that is true. Yeah, Shrek changed children's

155
00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,400
Speaker 3: entertainment for a long time, forever after, even forever after.

156
00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,079
Speaker 3: It ain't ogre till it's ogre to quote the poster

157
00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:07,679
Speaker 3: of this movie.

158
00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,000
Speaker 2: But the tagline of the movie.

159
00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,160
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Yes, because this was marketed as the final chapter. Oh,

160
00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,079
Speaker 3: that's which I mean in terms of canonical Shrek movies,

161
00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,560
Speaker 3: it's the you know, it's been fourteen years now, it's

162
00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 3: been fourteen years and I can still smell the fresh farts. Wow.

163
00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,720
Speaker 3: We have options, But in any case, I feel like

164
00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,560
Speaker 3: this franchise starts with like Fiona, who, as we've talked

165
00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,440
Speaker 3: about over the years, is she a you know, perfect

166
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,120
Speaker 3: feminist character. No, but I feel like she is like disenfranchised.

167
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,440
Speaker 3: Does the movies go on like Shrek One Fiona is

168
00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,800
Speaker 3: the best Fiona, and then we just see her like

169
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,880
Speaker 3: wifified and in Shrek Forever After, which we'll talk about,

170
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 3: we see an alternate reality Fiona where she is more empowered. Yes,

171
00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,640
Speaker 3: but also there's all I don't know I think that

172
00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,960
Speaker 3: this the Shrek Forever After kind of fucked with my

173
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,960
Speaker 3: head because we just covered because we're recording this in

174
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,040
Speaker 3: late December, we just did our live show about It's

175
00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,040
Speaker 3: a Wonderful Life, and I'm just bowled over with how

176
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,840
Speaker 3: many feature films there are about how the world would

177
00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,520
Speaker 3: be a shithole if one man didn't exist. I just

178
00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 3: don't buy it.

179
00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,040
Speaker 2: Okay, we're on the same wavelength as per usual. Because

180
00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,880
Speaker 2: I finished this movie, I was like, Wow, that was

181
00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,120
Speaker 2: just the exact same plot as It's a Wonderful Life. However,

182
00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,080
Speaker 2: which movie do I like more? I think that Shrek

183
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,839
Speaker 2: Forever After is a better movie than It's a Wonderful Life.

184
00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 2: And I know that is probably one of the most

185
00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,760
Speaker 2: controversial statements ever made, But I have a master's degree

186
00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,360
Speaker 2: in film and screenwriting, which I would never mention, but

187
00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,440
Speaker 2: it does give me the credibility to say that, and

188
00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,760
Speaker 2: you have to believe me, and you have to agree

189
00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,800
Speaker 2: with me because of my credentials.

190
00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:02,600
Speaker 3: I respect your a pion, Yeah, thank you so much,

191
00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,679
Speaker 3: our respect your opinion. This movie stinks. This movie is stinky,

192
00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,080
Speaker 3: stinky poop poop. But but who's going to argue with

193
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,600
Speaker 3: a quarter billion or three quarters of a billion dollars.

194
00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,760
Speaker 3: I have one last thing to say before we talk

195
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,640
Speaker 3: about this. For over an hour, I was thinking about

196
00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 3: the year twenty ten, right, Obama's first term. Yeah, remember

197
00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,880
Speaker 3: that in any case, Shrek as a popular You know,

198
00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,840
Speaker 3: this is a decade that Shrek owns true, right, Yes,

199
00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 3: but things in movies are shifting. Shrek Forever After did

200
00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,880
Speaker 3: it make seven hundred and fifty six million dollars. It

201
00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,960
Speaker 3: sure did, But that is less money than Shrek the

202
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,320
Speaker 3: Third Maid and even less money than Shrek two made.

203
00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 3: Wo So Shrek's on the downturn.

204
00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

205
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,120
Speaker 3: And also four movies in a decade, that's a lot.

206
00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's you know, we've maybe reached peak

207
00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,520
Speaker 3: Shrek saturation. We've also I've got Kung Fu Panda, right,

208
00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,800
Speaker 3: We've got other DreamWorks that comes out in two thousand

209
00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,800
Speaker 3: and eight, kind of coming for Shrek's Crown, that comes

210
00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,760
Speaker 3: up between Shrek the Third and Shrek Forever After. But

211
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,240
Speaker 3: most pertinently, and I feel like you know where I'm

212
00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,400
Speaker 3: going with this. Oh, I already know a very important

213
00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,320
Speaker 3: movie comes out in twenty ten, and I would say

214
00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,760
Speaker 3: derails Shrek's chances at being a powerful franchise for over

215
00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,360
Speaker 3: a decade. Okay, maybe even a more dominant species. I mean,

216
00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,720
Speaker 3: do you know what movie I'm talking about?

217
00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,960
Speaker 2: Obviously you're talking about Despicable Me starring the Minions.

218
00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I had to check because I also went on

219
00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,080
Speaker 3: a date in high school to see Despicable of Me.

220
00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,520
Speaker 3: Of course, because when I was in high school I

221
00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,120
Speaker 3: was ten.

222
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if you remember this, but I

223
00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,880
Speaker 2: went back and re listened to our Shrek the Third

224
00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,240
Speaker 2: episode in which you very publicly and openly say that

225
00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,720
Speaker 2: you got fingered during the screen of Shrek the Third

226
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,520
Speaker 2: in the theater.

227
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,439
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to bring that up today because New

228
00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 3: Year knew me. But you're right, I have to No, no, no,

229
00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,600
Speaker 3: don't edit it out. I need to own my past.

230
00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,400
Speaker 3: You're right, and you would be right to say it.

231
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

232
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,160
Speaker 3: Wow. I really don't know how to look out for

233
00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,280
Speaker 3: myself whatsoever. Okay, So running the numbers, Running the numbers,

234
00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,080
Speaker 3: because a little film called Despicable Me comes out in

235
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,160
Speaker 3: twenty ten. Let's see how close they came out together. Okay,

236
00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,400
Speaker 3: Despicable Me starring of course grew in Le Mignon's that

237
00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,600
Speaker 3: comes out June ninth. Shrek Forever After, I think would

238
00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,360
Speaker 3: come out a little earlier. Yes, April May, in wide

239
00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,520
Speaker 3: release May twenty first.

240
00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,920
Speaker 2: That's my sister's birthday.

241
00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,800
Speaker 3: Wow, she must have been so thrilled this year.

242
00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:54,400
Speaker 2: Yes, she was.

243
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,680
Speaker 3: So they come out within a month of each other.

244
00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,560
Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at domestic gross because Shrek Forever After

245
00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,240
Speaker 3: it's got global clout, right, so it takes despicable me

246
00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,320
Speaker 3: over in worldwide gross, but domestic grows. Something fascinating happens.

247
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,400
Speaker 3: Despicable me edges. Shrek for Americans are done with this guy.

248
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,560
Speaker 3: American said, no, we won't give him any more than

249
00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,560
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty eight million dollars, seven hundred and

250
00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,560
Speaker 3: thirty six, seven hundred eighty seven dollars. Okay, But these

251
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,920
Speaker 3: new guys, the Minions, they're like, wait, big Green guy,

252
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,880
Speaker 3: more like little little Yellow guy, because they give the

253
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,840
Speaker 3: minions two hundred and fifty one million, five hundred and

254
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,920
Speaker 3: thirteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty five dollars just a

255
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:43,680
Speaker 3: smidge more.

256
00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,400
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

257
00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,560
Speaker 3: And I just think that's it. There's sort of like

258
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,520
Speaker 3: a changing of the because Shrek changed everything. But also

259
00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,680
Speaker 3: you gotta hang up that leather vest at some point.

260
00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,520
Speaker 2: Pals It's true. Well, and now we are in minion era.

261
00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,000
Speaker 2: We are in the minion era Shrek era over except

262
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,600
Speaker 2: I know if you google is Shrek five happening? I

263
00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,200
Speaker 2: know the answer is Shrek five is slated to come

264
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty five, So we are actually not

265
00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,720
Speaker 2: done with Shrek.

266
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,960
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm thrilled and I think I honestly, as

267
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,840
Speaker 3: I was watching this movie, I was telling my boyfriend

268
00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,160
Speaker 3: was like, I really think if Shrek came back after

269
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,640
Speaker 3: fifteen years and he's been on a fascinating I mean,

270
00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,360
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to get into my history of

271
00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 3: the Shrek culture. I know I've done on the show before,

272
00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880
Speaker 3: but he'd been on this fascinating journey where he's like

273
00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,400
Speaker 3: kind of a big joke but also so beloved that

274
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000
Speaker 3: I feel like Shrek would be Shrek five would make

275
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,360
Speaker 3: a billion dollars if it was good. If it was good,

276
00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,280
Speaker 3: it would make a billion dollars if it.

277
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,040
Speaker 2: Was like Shrek two quality.

278
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,880
Speaker 3: Exactly, or even I mean, I think we can even

279
00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,360
Speaker 3: dream bigger the last Oh yeah, and also I wanted

280
00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,080
Speaker 3: to say, the next highest grossing movie after Despicable Me

281
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,160
Speaker 3: was inception. I just thought that was funn.

282
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I think.

283
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,080
Speaker 3: And also the minions have been you know, dominant for

284
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, over ten years, going on fifteen years now,

285
00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,360
Speaker 3: so it's it's time for a challenger to enter the ring.

286
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,840
Speaker 3: Certainly not gonna be Secret Life of motherfucking Pets, I'll

287
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,240
Speaker 3: tell you that much boo toy story for dogs. Try harder.

288
00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, anyway, okay, so you what's your history for

289
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,600
Speaker 2: Shrek four. I had never seen it before. This was

290
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,440
Speaker 2: the only Shrek installment that I well, not including I

291
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,760
Speaker 2: haven't seen the first Puss and Boots movie. I famously

292
00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,960
Speaker 2: love Puss and Boots the Last Wish, which came out

293
00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,520
Speaker 2: in late twenty twenty two.

294
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,920
Speaker 3: I finally saw it a couple of weeks ago. It's great.

295
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,240
Speaker 2: Do you think, isn't it so good? It's really good,

296
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,200
Speaker 2: and it's beautiful. It's so well animated. Yeah, Visually it's amazing,

297
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,520
Speaker 2: Narratively it's amazing. Thematically, it's amazing. I love that movie. Anyway,

298
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,840
Speaker 2: I had never seen Shrek four because yeah, by the

299
00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,760
Speaker 2: time time twenty ten rolled around, I think I did

300
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,399
Speaker 2: have Shrek fatigue, and yeah, I just wasn't we were

301
00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,919
Speaker 2: suffering enthusiastic about it anymore. So I didn't see it.

302
00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my short history with Shrek Forever after.

303
00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,680
Speaker 2: But you saw it in theaters?

304
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, and I have nothing else to say.

305
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,040
Speaker 2: Cool cool, cool, All right, Well, Shelby dive deeper into

306
00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 2: it and do the recap.

307
00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,520
Speaker 3: Oh I guess I should say I also did not

308
00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,240
Speaker 3: like this movie when it came out. In my opinion

309
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,919
Speaker 3: has not been unfortunately, you know, time has not healed

310
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,640
Speaker 3: that wound for me. I still don't like it.

311
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,600
Speaker 2: I see for me. The ranking goes as follows Shrek

312
00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,359
Speaker 2: two number one, Shrek one number two, Shruk four number three,

313
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,040
Speaker 2: and then Shrek three number four. Wow, amazing, I'm going

314
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,840
Speaker 2: to and.

315
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,200
Speaker 3: Thret four, three and four are both so storid. Yeah,

316
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 3: they might be tied for last because I kind of

317
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,560
Speaker 3: forgot about the whole the justin Timberlake of it all

318
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,359
Speaker 3: that was really challenging. But I also hate, like, I

319
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,400
Speaker 3: just feel like rumpel Stiltskin should just be far Quad again.

320
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,480
Speaker 3: Why are we? Why are we doing rumpel Stiltskin. Can't

321
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,000
Speaker 3: we just like give far Quad a magic wand like

322
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it's the same.

323
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:27,400
Speaker 2: Character Yeah, I'm just fatigued. It's annoying. Should I say

324
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,359
Speaker 2: what the movie is about?

325
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

326
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,280
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break first, and then we'll come

327
00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:43,119
Speaker 2: back for the recap. We're back, all right? Here is

328
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,919
Speaker 2: this Shrek Forever?

329
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 3: After buckle In.

330
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 2: The movie opens on the standard Shrek storybook opening, explaining

331
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 2: that Fiona's parents, the King and Queen, had locked Fiona

332
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,359
Speaker 2: in a tower guarded by a dress, but as time

333
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 2: wore on and her curse still hadn't been broken, they

334
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,359
Speaker 2: had to resort to desperate measures. So we cut to

335
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 2: the King and Queen approaching rumpel stilt Skin, voiced by

336
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 2: what's his name again, Walt Dorn.

337
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 3: I feel so bad, but I'm like, who is this bad? It?

338
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I guess it's kind of a

339
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 3: double standard because you're like, oh, who voices the minions?

340
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 3: Pierre Colfet, That's who. But he also is like some

341
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 3: random guy in animation. But he's not some random guy

342
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 3: and animation anymore. I mean, fortunately, Walt Dorn still some

343
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,719
Speaker 3: random guy and animation where Pierre Coffin has transcended and

344
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 3: is the voice of every minion.

345
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 2: Wow. Amazing.

346
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 3: Anyways, random guy don't know, Okay.

347
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 2: So they approach rumpel Stiltskin to see if he can

348
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: put an end to Fiona's curse that turns her into

349
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: an ogre at night, and rumpel Stiltskin's like, yeah, I'll

350
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 2: do it, and in exchange, you have to sign away

351
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 2: the kingdom far far away.

352
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 3: These damn parents are just terrific. Maybe it's maybe it's

353
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 3: like commentary or something, but they just, like in each

354
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 3: and every movie, they mismanage and gamble their people's lives

355
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 3: away because they're embarrassed of their daughter's physical appearance.

356
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: It's so bad, yep, okay. So they are about to

357
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: sign away their kingdom in exchange for like Fiona's curse

358
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: to be lifted, but just then someone comes in to

359
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 2: be like Princess Fiona has been saved parentheses by Shrek,

360
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: and this makes Rumpelstiltskin furious because he wants control over

361
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: far far away. We then cut to Shrek in his swamp.

362
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 2: He and Fiona are raising their three ogre babies.

363
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: As promised at the end of Shrek the Third. Can

364
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: I just say and let me know if this is

365
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 3: at a pocket? I hate looking at those damn Ogre babies.

366
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 3: They look like shit. They're so oh I hate they

367
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: make me sick to look they look like adults.

368
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: It's upsetting. I don't like them either.

369
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: The least you can do when you're making animated anything

370
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 3: is ensure that you can make a baby version of

371
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: your character. That's cute. That's the Muppet baby law. Like,

372
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: it's not that hard. I don't think that it would

373
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: have been impossible to make a cute Shrek baby or

374
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: a cute The fact that the Donkey dragon babies also

375
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: look like shit scary. That's a slam dunk. That's so cute.

376
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: But they fuck it up, they fake time it up.

377
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 2: I don't know what.

378
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing, but I know what

379
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: they aren't doing.

380
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: Uh. We see Shrek and Fiona. Of course Donkey and

381
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 2: Puss and Boots are also there. But the monotony and

382
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: repetitiveness of life is really getting to Shrek. Also, people

383
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: aren't scared of Ogres the way they used to be.

384
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: They're not scared of Shrek anymore, which is abundantly clear

385
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: when they go too far far away for Shrek and

386
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Fiona's kids birthday party.

387
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 3: There's a lot to be said about this whole, like

388
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: Shrek is fatigued of being a parent, while we're led

389
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 3: to believe Fiona it just comes naturally to her. We'll

390
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: talk about that. Yeah, but can I just say the

391
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: little kid who says dude, they roar, uh huh. I

392
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 3: was laughing.

393
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: See, I hated him.

394
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: Every time he said it, I was laughing.

395
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: I hate Wow.

396
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: That was the one laugh this movie got out of me.

397
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 3: And then when Shrek roars he says, I love you daddy,

398
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: I was laughing.

399
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: I think this movie got zero laughs out of me.

400
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: Every joke Wow falls flat on its face.

401
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: It's ivan. The movie sucks ass, but I liked with

402
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: the kids. I love your daddy, yuck. Fair enough, fair enough.

403
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: I only have an undergrad so yeah, it's just I

404
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: have simple taste.

405
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: It's okay, It's okay. So anyway, the party goes horribly

406
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: wrong and no one is taking Shrek seriously, and he's like, ugh,

407
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: I wish things would just go back to the way

408
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: they were when I could do everything I wanted, whenever

409
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: I wanted. And Fiona is like, okay, ungrateful much.

410
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ungrateful piece of shit? You have every like

411
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: and then she like lists out everything that's going well

412
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: with his life. I'm like, damn, I'm jealous of Shrek.

413
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: He really does have it all.

414
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: He's he's got a lot that you would think he

415
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: would be grateful for, but he's not. And so they

416
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: both storm off in different directions. And then who does

417
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: Shrek bump into? Who had overheard this whole conversation. It's

418
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: Rumpel still skined, and he's like and.

419
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: His big old goose. Which did you grow up with

420
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: the story of rumpel Stiltskin. I don't know what the

421
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: fuck his whole deal is.

422
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: I do, yes, I did grow up with that story.

423
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: I don't remember him having a goose, but I do

424
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: know this story, all.

425
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: Right, I'll take it to Google. Does Rumpel stelt skin?

426
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

427
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: I guess he was a character on Once upon a Time.

428
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: This is the point where someone in our is like,

429
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: someone hits our Apple podcast reviews are like, Jamie didn't

430
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: do enough research to even know if rumpel Stiltskin has

431
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 3: canonically has a goose. I'm not seeing goose. I'm not

432
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: seeing goose. I am seeing a page for Fifi the

433
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 3: Goose on Wiki Shrek.

434
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so it seems like it's only canon to Shrek.

435
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: Lore, a Shrek innovation. Yeah wow.

436
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Also, we did this last time too for Shrek the Third,

437
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: but we still haven't said the word Shrekian yet.

438
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean give it time.

439
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it'll come up organically, right, It's okay.

440
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: So Rumpelstiltskin is like, hey, Shrek, I will make a

441
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: deal with you that will let you be the ogre

442
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: that you used to be, you know, like feared. You

443
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 2: can do that for a day in exchange for just

444
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: any other day in your life. So Shrek would just

445
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: have to like give up a day from his past,

446
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: and it could be like a day when he was

447
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: a baby that he wouldn't even remember. So he's like,

448
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: sounds like a great deal to me. So Shrek signs

449
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: this contract with Rumpelstiltskin, and as soon as he does,

450
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: he is transported to this reality where sure enough everyone

451
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: fears him, and Shrek is loving it at first, but

452
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: then he goes to his swamp, but it's all dried

453
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: up and abandoned, and he's like, what's going on? What's

454
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: happening here? Then he is attacked and captured by a

455
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: group of witches and the next Shrek knows he's in

456
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: a carriage that's being pulled by Donkey, but Donkey does

457
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: not recognize him. And this is where you start to

458
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: realize that this movie and It's a Wonderful Life have

459
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: basically the same plot.

460
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: YEP, because it's like, why is this movie coming out

461
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: in May? I honestly feel like if this movie was

462
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: just like more transparent about what it's obviously doing, I

463
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: just released it as like cause there were Shrek Christmas specials, Yeah,

464
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: I feel like I'd be less annoyed with it if

465
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: they just were like, this is like, it's a wonderful Shrek.

466
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: You're like, sure, fine, I don't know why I would

467
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: be less I like, but it's trying to like pass

468
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: itself off as I don't know, I just like just

469
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: say it's a wonderful Shrek or.

470
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: It's a Shrekian life. It's true, and there you go.

471
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: It's a shreky in text, it is everything about.

472
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: That anyway, Shrek is in this alternate reality where he

473
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: never met Donkey, where far far Away is in shambles,

474
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: and they.

475
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: Also imply that if Shrek didn't break this stigma against Ogres,

476
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: that the Ogres would be extremely oppressed. Like without Shrek,

477
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: the ogres are like a severe underclass in society to

478
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: the point where they have to revolt. I'm just like,

479
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: I just don't give Shrek that much credit, no right,

480
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: And I think that that's fine, you know, like you

481
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: but it's like he's one guy, you know, he's one

482
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: unremarkable guy. That's kind of his whole thing. Yeah, what right? Anyways,

483
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: I agree.

484
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, all these things are different and we'll come to

485
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: find out more soon. But the witches who are rumbel

486
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: Stiltskin's minions, okay.

487
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: Okay, they're trying trying to be but it's too late.

488
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: It's too late.

489
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: So they take Shrek to Rumbelstiltskin's palace and he is

490
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: delighted to see Shrek because he's the one who made

491
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: this all possible. Because the day that Rumpelstiltskin took from

492
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Shrek was the day that he was born, which means

493
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: Shrek never even existed, which means he never rescued or

494
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: even met Fiona. It means that when this day comes

495
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: to an end, Shrek will cease to exist.

496
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: And he'll like explode into light. Which seemed so dramatic.

497
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: My stakes are high.

498
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I and this is you know, spoiler alert for

499
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: this eighty minute movie. This episode will be longer than

500
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: the movie. But I think that it was quite bold

501
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: in a living in twenty twenty four. Now, let's say,

502
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: in a world where all children's movies are too cowardly

503
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: to murder their protagonist in the fourth installment, I think

504
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: it's shocked. I think it is rather shocking that we

505
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: do see Shrek fully die. I mean only for like

506
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: two minutes, but you're still damn they killed Shrek. I

507
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: killed his ass, they got his ass. Loved that.

508
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, Shrek never existing also means that Rumpel's

509
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: Stiltskin was able to seize control of Far Far Away,

510
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: which is why he wanted this whole thing to happen,

511
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: which is why he made this deal with Shrek, etc.

512
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: So Rumpel Stiltskin finally has what he wants, so Shrek

513
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: grabs Donkey and they escape from the palace. Shrek gets

514
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Donkey to trust him, and then Donkey tells him about

515
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: the secret exit clause to the contract that Shrek had signed,

516
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: and the way to render this contract null and void

517
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: is for Shrek to have true Love's kiss and then

518
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, wait a minute, exit clause Santa Claus three,

519
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: the escape clause.

520
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: This is a Christmas movie. I kept writing that down

521
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: like another Christmas thing. There's a Santa Claus in the

522
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: Just why did this movie come out in May?

523
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not sure?

524
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

525
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, So Shrek is like, okay, I have to go

526
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: find Truelove's kiss with Fiona. He realizes that if he

527
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: never rescued her from the dragon guarded tower, she must

528
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: still be there. But when he goes to the tower,

529
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: she's not there. So he's like, okay, well, if I

530
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: didn't save her, then who did?

531
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: Because he cannot conceive of a world in which Fiona

532
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: could escape the tower on her own.

533
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Well, neither could the first Shrek movie, So I know

534
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: he's a flaw. He's okay. So Shrek and Donkey continue

535
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: their search for Fiona, and they stumble upon an Ogre community.

536
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: There this resistance group who is fire against Rumpelstiltskin and

537
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: his oppressive regime, and their leader is Fiona.

538
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: Ooh, and it's a great reveal shot. It is, yes

539
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: and really brings out I'm certain we've talked about this

540
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: in past episodes. Really brings out how weak Cameron Diaz's

541
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: voice acting is, because we get this amazing reveal of

542
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: Fiona and then Cameron Dia like, I love Camera Diaz,

543
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: but like she's not a very strong voice actor and

544
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: doesn't improve of her time, and so you get like

545
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: this incredibly animated like Fiona's hair is whipping around, she's

546
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: wearing this warrior off it, and then she's like, okay, guys,

547
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: let's okay, everyone, time to go into battle. And you're like, yea, yay.

548
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: I've always thought that Cameron Diaz was not well cast.

549
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: It's as roll right, which is challenging because it's like,

550
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: I don't it's in that way inadvertently because of how

551
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: these movies are structured. You were coming down on basically

552
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: the only woman who's meaningfully in the movie. But uh,

553
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: but also we've been shielding her for years. I just

554
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: have to say, how I feel that's fair. Okay, guys,

555
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: let's go into battle. You're like, oh my god, oh

556
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: my god.

557
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Anyway, so we get this revealed that Fiona is the

558
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: leader of this revolution, and of course she does not

559
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: know Shrek because they have never met in this alternate reality.

560
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: So Shrek tries to woo Fiona, but she's too busy

561
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: planning an attack on rumpel Stiltskin and his witches that night. Also,

562
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: we learn that Puss and Boots is her pet cat,

563
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: although he's not the you know, fierce assassin we know

564
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: him to be anymore. He's a quote unquote lazy house cat.

565
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: And we'll talk more about the implications and choices that

566
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: were made with this character. Anyway, So Shrek is trying

567
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: to win Fiona over, and so he goes to her

568
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: and they start this kind of like play fighting thing

569
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: and they're vibing, but still no kiss. Meanwhile, Rumpelstiltskin wants

570
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: to find Shrek to prevent him from kissing Fiona because

571
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't want this contract to be nullified because it

572
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: would mean the end of his empire. So he hires

573
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: a bounty hunter to find Shrek, who turns out to

574
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: be the Pied Piper. And this is when I was like, Okay,

575
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: why would you interro just have Puss in Boots, Yeah,

576
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: be the assassin that gets hired, bring that thing back

577
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: in that makes more sense, And then it's baffling. Yeah,

578
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: it would be maybe too similar to the plot of

579
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: Shrek too. But that's a callback that would make sense

580
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: where then Shrek would have to like, you know, do

581
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: something similar to like get Pussing Boots on his side

582
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: and just like why why why is Pied Piper here?

583
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: Like worst I did fill in minion I've ever seen.

584
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: I didn't, especially in a year where we're being introduced

585
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: to the minions and Shrek's bringing who to the tape

586
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: like no wonder, no wonder you were dethroned king, No,

587
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: but I agree with you. I hadn't thought of it.

588
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: That's that's a really smart fix for that too, And

589
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: a far more logical use of puss in Boots character

590
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: because he really is like he's used as a fat

591
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: shaming site gag basically, and then he kind of like

592
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything the whole movie. He uterly does nothing

593
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: to the point where it's like egregious and at one

594
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: point I left because they're just trying to justify his presence,

595
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: so which is like, also, if you're paying Antonio banderis,

596
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: please use him like it's wired either way. But there's

597
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: like at one point where Shrek and Fiona spoiler like

598
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: they have to fall bug in love, and there's a

599
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: point where they're like they're vibing, and then it just

600
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: cuts to Puss and Boots and he's like wow, You're like,

601
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: why is he here? He's just like wow.

602
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Sense anyway, So the assassin for some reason or the

603
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: bounty hunter is the Pied Piper, and then when the

604
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Ogres launched their attack against rumpel Stiltskin, it's actually a

605
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: trap laid by the Pied Piper, and then he plays

606
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: his flute and it like forces them to dance, and

607
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: that's how he bounty hunts them question marks. Exhausting, but

608
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Shrek and Fiona manage to get away m hmm. So

609
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: they're like on the run. And also he's trying to

610
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: prove to her that he is her true love and

611
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: that he knows a bunch of stuff about her.

612
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: Including well and he's also like, what if I forcibly

613
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: kissed you with that convinced you huh?

614
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: He does that many many times. It's disgusting. But he's like, look,

615
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: I know all this stuff about you, including your curse

616
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: where you're human during the day, and he's like, so

617
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: kiss me, and she does basically just to I think,

618
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: get him to shut up and leave her alone. Yeah,

619
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: but the kiss doesn't change anything because.

620
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: Because why would it. She's a revolution. Yeah, I just

621
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 3: hate that, Like, I mean it's complicated to the extent

622
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: that you know, like without Shrek's presence in this world, right,

623
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: Like the Shreks are oppressed. That's bad. However, it's also

624
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: presented that it's equally bad that Fiona is the leader

625
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: of a revolution, which is not bad. That's like a

626
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: fun like it's it's so weird how Fiona is characterized

627
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: over the years, where it's like she it just feels

628
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: like antiquated, even for the two thousands to be like, well,

629
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: she would be much happier if she was just the

630
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: mother of newborn triplets than if she were the you know,

631
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: like warrior goddess of the Shreks, right, I don't I

632
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: feel like we can split the difference there a little

633
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: or not, you know.

634
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's the same kind of like empty

635
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: feminism that we've seen throughout the entire franchise, where like

636
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: there will be moments where like Fiona gets one little

637
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: scene where she does something that vaguely seems empowering, but

638
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: when you actually look at it closely, it's a very

639
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 2: hollow gesture or it has weird implications. The same thing's

640
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: happening here.

641
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: The same thing's happening, and she.

642
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: At this time does not love Shrek, so when she

643
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: kisses him, it doesn't break the contract with ruppel Stiltskin.

644
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: And I thought, I because I of course I didn't

645
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: remember what happened in this movie, fully because I was

646
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: busy doing what pegot. But like I sort of was like,

647
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: far be it for me to think this Shrek. I

648
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: feel like this happens in every Shrek movie, where it's

649
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: like they have an opportunity to do something cool and

650
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: interesting and then they're like, nah, we're not gonna, We're

651
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: not gonna. You're like, okay, sorry, never mind.

652
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah they don't. Sorry for having any expectations.

653
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: Go God, sorry for thinking that the franchise could grow.

654
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Ugh yeah right anyway, So rumpel Stiltskin, desperate to stop Shrek,

655
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: and Fiona puts out a call basically saying that whoever

656
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: brings them in rumpel Stiltskin will grant them any wish

657
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: they desire. So Shrek realizes he can use this to

658
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: his advantage, and he turns himself in in exchange for

659
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: freeing all of the ogres that the Pied Piper had captured,

660
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: except rumpel Stiltskin refuses to release Fiona since she's only

661
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: half ogre. So now she and Shrek are captured together

662
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: and Rumpelstiltskin unleashes dragon on them, but they work together

663
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: to best the dragon and defeat Rumpel still skin, but.

664
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: Then Shrek dies so abrupt too.

665
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's dawn, which means Shrek's time is up,

666
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: and he starts to fade away, which I.

667
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: Kind of forgot was gonna happen.

668
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and she kisses him, but he disappears, but

669
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: just kidding. The kiss worked, and this alternate reality vanishes.

670
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: We're transported back to Shrek's children's birthday party and Shrek

671
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: is like, wow, Fiona, I love you, babe. I always

672
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: thought it was me who rescued you from the dragons Keep,

673
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: but really it was you who rescued me the enda

674
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: and you're just like and then a smash Mouth cover starts.

675
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: Weezer, that's Weezer. It's Weezer covering smash Mouth covering the monkeys.

676
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: And at this point we're like, we got to retire

677
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: Shrek for fifteen years. He's got go in the vault.

678
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I think that they did talk about inception a song

679
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: within a song within a song.

680
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Wa wha, all right, let's take a break, will help

681
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: her be right back? All right, and we're back.

682
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

683
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: As with all things Shrekian, uh, this movie did suck,

684
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: But I do think that there is a fair amount

685
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: to talk about, especially in regards to I just like

686
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: if in Shrek five we could like get an arc

687
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: for Fiona, that's like we're saying on par with Shrek

688
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 3: two and let's say better because we have the benefit

689
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: of fifteen years, right, But Shrek four sucks for fiot.

690
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: It's so weird because it and speaking to the empty feminism,

691
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: which I feel like is yeah, it's very very prevalent

692
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: and again like best done in the earlier installments, not

693
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: the later ones, which is depressing. But like the message

694
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: of this movie for women is bad as you, but

695
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: we see a lot of cool stuff, which is weird.

696
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: I feel like that there is like a sort of

697
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: game of forty chess being played because you get to

698
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: see Fiona in a position of power where she's respected

699
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: and hyper competent, and like, I think the sequences where

700
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: she's fighting and like leading is really cool. There is

701
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: sort of I know that there's Jane Lynch's character is

702
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: a woman coded Shrek, but outside of that, it appears

703
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: that it's kind of a Smurfette situation like most of

704
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: the Shrek's overwhelmingly male, which is Minyon coded. I will say, true,

705
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: but obviously not as effective if John Hamm is actually

706
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: in Minion's one, so he's kind of double dipping when

707
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: you think about it. And also, wait is he Yeah,

708
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: he plays Sandra Bulls groovy husband in Minions and he's

709
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: Minions one, not Despicable Me one, not Despicable Me. We're

710
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: talking this spinoff franchise, I see the real moneymaker.

711
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen Minions one all the way through.

712
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, we should watch it on Christmas?

713
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Okay, we should cover it on the podcast.

714
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: I would love to. I mean, I've seen it so

715
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: many times, and not to mention Rise of Group, like,

716
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: I mean.

717
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: I saw that one in the theaters and.

718
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: It's so cute. I love it. Yeah. Twenty tway four,

719
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: it's a Minions year, thank god. Twenty twenty three were

720
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: we were panting, starving, like what was gonna happen to us?

721
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: Thankfully we're back. But but yeah, I mean, and good

722
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 3: for John hann for sensing which way the wind was blowing.

723
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: But in any case, I don't know, like Fiona is

724
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: in a position of huge power. We find out that

725
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: she has liberated herself from the tower, which I think

726
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: is cool and like, because this is all established, I

727
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: almost wished at the end of Shrek four, instead of

728
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: Shrek being pulled back to his normal reality where we've

729
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: seen Fiona for two movies, now be pushed into these

730
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: traditional roles, which, as we say, oh it like, we're

731
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: not saying that these are bad roles to be in

732
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: to want to be married or to be a parent,

733
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: but they are stereotypical roles that are you know whatever,

734
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: you know what we're talking about. That's all we see

735
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: Fiona do in these movies anymore. And I was really

736
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: hoping that they went to some like third location where

737
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: there could be some like I think that would have

738
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: been cool, where they like went to an alternate reality

739
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: where Fiona could have access to both of these, where

740
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: she could be a warrior, because she's always been a

741
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: really like fighty character since the first movie. She's been

742
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: a good fighter and like a world where she could

743
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, have both of these. I feel like that

744
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't be out of the question in this world. But

745
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: instead Shrek is just sent back to the world where

746
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: we've seen Fiona turned into a very like unchallenging wife

747
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: and mother character, and Shrek is just like, Wow, I'm

748
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: so grateful that you're like this, and you're like.

749
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Ugh, right, no, yeah, no. This movie can't imagine a

750
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: world and suggests that like, if you are, you know,

751
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: a warrior and the leader of a revolution, you would

752
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: not also be a parent like that. It's like you're

753
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: one or the other. And if you are a parent,

754
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: then you have to live this like hyper domesticated life

755
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: and that goes for Fiona and Shrek, and that's why

756
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: he tries to like escape. So, like I said, I

757
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: went back and listened to our Shrek the third episode

758
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: and a big criticism, thank you. A big criticism we

759
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: had about that movie was that it reinforces a gendered

760
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: trope of like men and being very reluctant to become

761
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: parents and women being hyper enthusiastic about becoming a parent.

762
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: In this movie, we're already kind of touched on this,

763
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: but it does something similar in the sense that we

764
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: see Shrek growing increasingly bored, frustrated, disillusioned with domestic life

765
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: of like, you know, taking care of his three babies.

766
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: He's tired of the monotony of it. But we do

767
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: not see Fiona feeling this way, which reinforces a similar

768
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: gendered trope of like, oh, well, women don't mind doing

769
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: the same domestic tasks over and over. Women don't mind

770
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: the monotony that might accompany that. Right, She's happily doing it,

771
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: and she's never getting frustrated or bored because women just

772
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: inherently love that kind of work. But men, well, of

773
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: course they're going to get bored and yearn for something

774
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: more exciting. They're going to yearn for their days when

775
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: they were a bachelor and they weren't, you know, like

776
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: weighed down by this ball and chain. And of course

777
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: their masculinity will feel threatened now that they have to

778
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: stay at home and do domestic tasks and take care

779
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: of a family.

780
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: Which is like exacerbated by the fact that the movie

781
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: doesn't even bother to like add the trophy layer to

782
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: make it seem like Shrek has a job, like he

783
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: does it, he does it. They're both stay at home parents,

784
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: but like and and also it's like I think that

785
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: these are easy as I know that we've talked about

786
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: this in others Trek installments. There's easy small effixes that

787
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: allow Fiona to participate more fully in the plot. If

788
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: they're both burned out as new parents, that totally changes

789
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: the dynamic of that because you're like, yeah, parents of

790
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: newborn triplets that are being like surveilled by the far

791
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: far away paparazzi or whatever. That would be exhausting for

792
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: both of them, But she is shielded by mother powers

793
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: that like don't just add on these tropes but like

794
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: fundamentally exclude her from the plot. Like there's maybe I

795
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: mean it was still suck because it's like Shrek four,

796
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: but like there's a version of this where they could

797
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: go through this journey together and see the alternate version

798
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 3: of reality of like what if both of them didn't

799
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: exist and if Fiona doesn't exist. Honestly, I'm more inclined

800
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: to believe that Ogres would be more oppressed versus Shrek

801
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: because she is an Ogre who is a princess. Like

802
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: that actually makes like, yeah, talking it out now, that

803
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: makes a lot more sense that like Fiona has far

804
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: more to do with like the you know, ogres are

805
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: scary stigma being removed from that community than Shrek does

806
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: because she came out as an ogre and everyone still

807
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: loved her.

808
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: So, I mean, hello, end of Shrek one, it.

809
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: Was like an earth shattering moment.

810
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: It changed the world. Yeah, right, there's that. So there's

811
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: a bunch of different things going on with Shrek one.

812
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: He's frustrated with the monotony of domestic life. He's also ungrateful,

813
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, despite having, as Fiona points out, three beautiful children,

814
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: a wife, a wife who loves him, friends who adore him.

815
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: He's just acting very ungrateful and unappreciative of it. And

816
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: then on top of that, he doesn't like that people

817
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: are no longer afraid of him, and he wants to

818
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: go back to the good old days where people were

819
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: afraid of ogres, when the world made sense. And I'm like, okay,

820
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: maga vibe yikes.

821
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: Maga, maga before maga. Yeah, I mean it's super weird,

822
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, in the Shrek world. I'll let

823
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: that slide where it's like, Okay, he misses what he

824
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: was a scary oak, but I feel like that's just telegraphic,

825
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: like I miss my bachelor days like you were saying earlier.

826
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: But it's also like let Fiona in on that, that's

827
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, he doesn't bother to openly communicate

828
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: any of these frustrations or these feelings with Fiona. He

829
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 3: doesn't say anything like, Hey, I've been overwhelmed, I've been frustrated.

830
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: Here are my needs that aren't being met? Like can

831
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: we work on this together to like try to figure

832
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 3: out a solution. And also, hey, Fiona, how are you feeling?

833
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 3: Is any of this getting to you? Like they don't

834
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: have any conversation like that, and Shrek is like famously

835
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: bad at being inter relent, but it's like, why can't

836
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: we just let his character grow a little because it

837
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 3: gets exhausting and you would I mean, it's been nine

838
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 3: years Shrek and again to come to Fiona's defense here,

839
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: like it makes far more sense for her to be

840
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: like shaken by this shift because she has you know,

841
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: I forget how much time is canonically passed and Shrek won,

842
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 3: but like she has gone through far more big changes

843
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: in her life in the last several Shrek years than Shrek.

844
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: She was still she's still got tower PTSD. She and

845
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: then she's like coming out as an ogre, which is

846
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: a huge deal in this world, right, the whole Shrek

847
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: two of it all. Like she is married now, she's

848
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: living in a swamp. She's had three kids. Like there

849
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: it again, her life has changed more and unfortunate not

850
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: to be like I feel like I'm starting to sound

851
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: like a royalist, but like her just because of who

852
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: she is. Unfortunately, she's like Prince she I'll say it.

853
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: She's the Princess Da far far away. She's the people's princess.

854
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: And I feel like it's disrespectful for Shrek Prince Charles

855
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: over here, not exactly, not exact and exact one to one,

856
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: but he's a flop. He's not the most interesting character.

857
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: It's like disrespectful to even have Fiona voice by Cameron Diaz.

858
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's too late. It's twenty three years

859
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: too late to fix that. So let's just give her something.

860
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: Let's give her something and the kids look like shit.

861
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: Come on, I didn't we know that these animators can

862
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: make something look cute because uh put some boots with

863
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: his big eyes.

864
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, it felt very yeah,

865
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: like it something fat. I mean, I guess you can't

866
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: like overestimate the amount of cynicism that goes into a

867
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: franchise like this, except for Dispicable to me, which is

868
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: you know, pure. They would never do anything for me

869
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 3: merchandising purvises, holding my vampire minion who watches me while

870
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: I create content.

871
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: Okay, but but seriously, you guys, no, I feel like

872
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 4: they they It's almost like advantageous for them to have

873
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 4: these shots and sequences of Fiona as a warrior because

874
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: of it, and then they can put it in the

875
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: trailer and be like, oh, se Fiona.

876
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 3: But then the status quo is always re established, as

877
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: it is with in a time and time again. And

878
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: then also, I mean all those yucky things that we

879
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: touched on during the recap where Shrek is so convinced

880
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: that like all he has to do is give her

881
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: a kiss, he doesn't have to grow as a person,

882
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: which he I would say, arguably doesn't in this movie

883
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: really at all. Right, Okay, well, I guess he learns

884
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 3: to be grateful for his wife, but like does he

885
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

886
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: See, That's what I was trying to figure out. So

887
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: instead of him, you know, trying to have an open

888
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: and honest conversation about his feelings with Fiona. Instead, he

889
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: storms off and then makes a deal with the first

890
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: sleazy guy he finds, which ends up having these dire consequences.

891
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: So the rest of the plot is him having to

892
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: like fix this situation, and the lesson he ends up

893
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: quote unquote learning is, oh, I didn't know what I

894
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: had until it was gone, and I should learn to

895
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: appreciate the love I share with my family and friends.

896
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: And sure that's a valid lesson to learn, but I'm

897
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: trying to, Like, I guess they just have mixed feelings

898
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: about stories like this where a man has to learn

899
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence or a man you know, has to have

900
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: this emotional redemption arc because on one hand, I'm very

901
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: for men learning and growing emotionally, but sure women are

902
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: rarely given arcs like this in stories because women are

903
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: expected to already have this emotional intelligence because of a

904
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, gendered expectation that women are nurturing and tuned

905
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: into their feelings and things like that, whereas men it's

906
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: just like, well, of course they're gonna start out being

907
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, not very emotionally intelligent and they have to

908
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: learn these things, and they kind of barely learn them,

909
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: and it takes this whole epic saga for them to

910
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: figure these things out. And then I'm right, does he

911
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: even learn it? Because at the end he doesn't apologize

912
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: to Fiona when he's like back at the party. He

913
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: doesn't like say, wow, I've been acting horribly. He just

914
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: says like, it was actually you who rescued me, which

915
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: is I feel like what people say to the like

916
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: the pets that they adopt.

917
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I was like you talk her to her

918
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: like she's a damn dog, like oh my god. Yeah.

919
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: Then yeah, he doesn't apologize and say like, hey, sorry

920
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: for being an ungrateful little shit. He's just like you

921
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: rescued me.

922
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: And I just feel like.

923
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 2: It's very a very like oversimplified version.

924
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: It's a freaking mess. It's a freaking mess. It's a disaster,

925
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: it's a catastrophe. It stinks. It's gotta go, like.

926
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: Right, And then with Fiona like okay, yes, this is

927
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: an alternate reality where Shrek never saved her, so she

928
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: saved herself from the dragon guarded tower, which again is

929
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: like something that the movie Shrek won couldn't even conceive.

930
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: Of and shocking.

931
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: Why don't we get a flashback of like her saving

932
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: herself showing how she did that. Maybe it informs why

933
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: she becomes such an effective leader of a revolution. You know,

934
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: there's like again, it's just like this empty well of

935
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: course she's the leader. Now why well you don't have

936
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: to know about that. It just happened. It just glasses

937
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: over everything.

938
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: It stinks. It stinks. Yeah, I mean I totally agree.

939
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: Where it's like the things that this movie makes narrative

940
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: space for acting as if it only has eighty minutes

941
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: to exist or it'll die, Like it's yeah, and this,

942
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about this before, but I

943
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 3: was reminded of it again in this installment of Shrek.

944
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 3: That Fiona and Dragon, that is the dragon that guarded

945
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 3: her tower for over a decade. And why do these

946
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: two characters not have a relationship at all? Like it

947
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: could even be contentious, it would make sense, but it's

948
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: so weird, like because they introduce Dragon in the alternate

949
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: reality at the end, but it's only so that Donkey

950
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: and Dragon can fall in love again. But the way

951
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: that it's like these are the two characters of the

952
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: four of the two married couples, Fiona and Dragon have

953
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: known each other for the longest, but they have no relationship.

954
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: They act like, oh, our husbands are friends, so I

955
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: guess we hang out. I'm like, this dragon was going

956
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: to kill you for ten years, like, how do you

957
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: have no feelings on? Like? And I think that that

958
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 3: could also it would. It feels very Shrekian there it is.

959
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 3: It feels very Shrekian to put two characters that were

960
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: like at severe odds. They'd be like, oh, we get

961
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 3: Martini is now we hang out blah blah blah, like

962
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: whatever it is established some sort of relationship like why,

963
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like the franchise thinks so

964
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: little of the two women. And also Dragon can't talk great.

965
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 3: But the two women who you see most frequently, which

966
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: are Fiona and Dragon, they have the longest relationship and

967
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: they're like, eh, no one cares, well, not true, we care.

968
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: Also, why can't drag I mean basically every other dragon tall.

969
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: We got Puss and Boots. He's talking. We got the

970
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: three little pigs, they're always talking. We got the wolf.

971
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: The wolf is talking. We got a sentient gingerbread man

972
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: who gets eaten because of the thing we were hinting

973
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: at as far as like Puss and Boots, he's now

974
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: a fat character, and the movie takes every opportunity to

975
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: make very like fat shamy jokes, which is.

976
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: Very in step with what the franchise is always in,

977
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 3: as well as the no homo like vampire oh ye

978
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: kissy joke at the like it's all just like bluff

979
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: and you already suggested a far better utility of that carriac.

980
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: Of Puss and Boots.

981
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, of pus, Pus, there's so many better uses of Puss.

982
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: Here's how you use puss.

983
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: I have a master's degree, and I know how to

984
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: use Puss in this movie.

985
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: And well, since you mentioned that like queer phobic vampire thing,

986
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: that's just like a fleeting moment in a quick scene

987
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: where the King and Queen are riding their carriage through

988
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: what seems to be coded as like a medieval trailer park,

989
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: and all of the people there are made to seem

990
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: like weird and scary, and it's just like this a

991
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: very obviously like classist like, yeah, oh, if you live

992
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: in a trailer park, you're a freaking weirdo.

993
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 3: Which is weird because like this movie is all all

994
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: over the map with that too, because the Shreks are

995
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: presented as an underclass that are like staging a revolution

996
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 3: and are to be rooted for this Like this movie

997
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: can't even decide how they feel about Green, Like they

998
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: can't even decide what they feel about Green, because we

999
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: also have true the witches as the they work for

1000
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: rumbel stilts Can. Again, I don't know, rumpel stilts Can

1001
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: Lore please come for me. I guess, Like, God, I'm

1002
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: so tired, but like, I don't get I mean, And

1003
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: we've talked extensively on other episodes about a lot of

1004
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: the stereotyping that exists around witches. There's a lot of

1005
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: heavy stereotyping around older women and also a lot of

1006
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: antisemitic tropes that come up in the animation style, which

1007
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: is which I think is not challenged in this movie whatsoever,

1008
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: for sure, And even outside of that, you're just like,

1009
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: why do the witches work for rumpel stilt Skit Like

1010
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: it's really, I don't know, it's a mess.

1011
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: I don't know it they just the Shrek writers and

1012
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: director aka Mess. Movie was written by Josh Klausner and

1013
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: Darren Lemkey and directed by Mike Mitchell. Uh, they just

1014
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of do whatever the hell they want.

1015
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: It's so funny because it was like directed by Mike Mitchell.

1016
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, I loved I love Doe Boys

1017
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: so much.

1018
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 5: Boys.

1019
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: Wow, Mitch, what a what a even even bigger multi

1020
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: hyphen it that we imagine different Mike Mitchell. But in

1021
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: my mind, Mitch directed Shrek Forever After. He also directed

1022
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: all of the other Mike Mitchell movies. Can I rattle

1023
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: them off?

1024
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: Please?

1025
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: My buddy? Mitch also directed Sky High, Deuce, Bigelow, Mail, Chick,

1026
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: Alvin and the Chipmunks, chip Wrecked, whoa Trolls? Okay, He's

1027
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: killing it, Lego Movie two, and Kung Fu Panda four

1028
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: or so. Yeah, if you're a fan of the Dope Boys,

1029
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: guess what, there's more where that came from and it's

1030
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: four incredible.

1031
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Do you have anything else that you want to

1032
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: talk about? Because I've pretty much come to the end

1033
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: of my notes.

1034
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 3: Let's see, let's see. Uh, well, I guess I just

1035
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: wanted to get back to Rumpelstiltskin and I think, just

1036
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: even from writing perspective, is a really really weak character,

1037
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: like a stinky character that felt like a retread of

1038
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: far Quad. For I was like, could they not get

1039
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 3: the original voice actor of far Quad back? Like, oh sorry,

1040
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: I put some respect on his name. I just thought,

1041
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: like a really weak villain. For the third and the fourth.

1042
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: Also has nothing to do with the Rumpelstiltskin narrative, which

1043
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: is all about like, I will give you whatever you

1044
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: want if you're able to guess my name, and if not,

1045
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to steal all your babies away from you.

1046
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: That's the lore of Rumpelstiltskin. And then none of that

1047
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: appears except for like him making shady deals.

1048
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: I guess see the babies technically disappear. I guess it's

1049
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: a no. I mean that's me giving it too much credit.

1050
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: That's a stretch.

1051
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think it's weird that this movie

1052
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: ultimately comes down and Fiona would be like clearly establishes

1053
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: Fiona would be cooler if she hadn't met Shrek.

1054
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: True, I mean that is true, like.

1055
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: Objectively and also taking it like again, just there's so

1056
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: many more interesting ways for this movie to go because

1057
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: if we know now in twenty ten, something that seemed obvious, right,

1058
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: but like that Fiona eventually would have escaped the tower

1059
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: on her own. I think that that should send Shrek

1060
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: into more of a crisis than it does. Like, yeah,

1061
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. I had this written down as well,

1062
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: where it's like, if I I, as Shrek.

1063
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: Saw that Fiona would have h comma Shrek, unlike Ikmma

1064
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: tana Ikamma Frankenstein.

1065
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: Two of my favorite movies. If I Shrek found out

1066
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 3: that Fionda would have escaped the tower on her own

1067
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 3: and become a revolutionary leader if she had never met me,

1068
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: I would be like, hold on, maybe, like I would

1069
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: have the kind of crisis where it's like, wow, maybe

1070
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: I really don't matter, Like there's a whole like I mean,

1071
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: and I know that that's complicated by the fact that,

1072
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: for some reason, without Shrek, the Shreks are more marginalized

1073
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 3: then they would. They seem to be like exploited for

1074
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: like it seems like they're being used as slaves to

1075
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: Ruympel still looking too, which is a disaster.

1076
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: He seems to specifically target and capture Shreks and enslave them.

1077
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't understand, but this is the first time we're

1078
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: even ever learning about other Shreks in this world because

1079
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Aside from Fiona, there are no other Ogres until the

1080
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: fourth movie, and then suddenly there's a whole community of

1081
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: which begs the question where have these other Shreks been.

1082
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 3: Which is actually a really scary image to see. Like

1083
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: You're just like, oh, I feel like I'm having a nightmare.

1084
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: It's jarring.

1085
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just honestly, I don't think that this

1086
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: franchise is equipped to deal with the topic of slavery.

1087
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: I will bravely say that, And I don't think that

1088
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: they should have tried. I guess, like it's that plot

1089
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: point made me very uncomfortable. And also to suggest that

1090
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: without Shrek there would be many more Shreks, but they

1091
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 3: would be enslaved. You're like, I'd hate this. I hate

1092
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 3: every second of this, Like this is a really, really

1093
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: brutal tangle to put into this story that they are

1094
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 3: not able to write themselves out of. It's a disaster.

1095
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: That's bad. But then on the other hand, I did

1096
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 3: like how the Shreks as a community were characterized, where

1097
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: they were stage a revolution. They call Shrek a I

1098
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 3: think John Aham Shrek calls regular a comrade in arms.

1099
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: You're like, that's kind of fun. They're like preparing to

1100
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 3: take down their oppressors. It's kind of like, woahoo, this

1101
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: is cool. And you know, alternate reality, Fiona is very active.

1102
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: She is planning the revolution, right, Craig, I think it's

1103
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: Craig Robinson, Shrek has a chimney choga stand. You're like, wow,

1104
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 3: epic random Bacon Humor twenty ten whatever. But but like

1105
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: I I liked how like I just think again, it's

1106
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 3: interesting to establish like this canon of there's a whole

1107
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: Shrek community and they're essentially like revolutionaryas that are going

1108
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: to topple the overclass.

1109
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: And that feed to be confused with the ogre class.

1110
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: The ogre class topples the overclass. Whoa and this alternate

1111
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 3: university university sorry, this ALTI universe implies, in a way

1112
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: that is also under explored, that Fiona has abandoned the

1113
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: idea of monarchy like she in a way that she

1114
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: doesn't in the main franchise. She maintains a relationship with royalty.

1115
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 3: She maintains like she is like a badass in not

1116
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,479
Speaker 3: to I feel like that's over used, but like she's

1117
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: really really cool in this altered because she like rejects

1118
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: the monarchy she becomes an underground revolutionary and uses what

1119
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: she knows about the monarchy to get the Ogres into

1120
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: the palace into like tap like it's all really really

1121
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 3: cool again and then if you like think it through,

1122
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 3: which you're not supposed to, right, this is like lobotomy

1123
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 3: brain filmmaking. But like that, Shrek is also totally fine

1124
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: meeting and connecting with this whole community of Ogres and

1125
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: just losing that why.

1126
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know Shrek. Once he does learn that,

1127
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: like you know, what Fiona could have done or what

1128
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: she's capable of if he wasn't involved in her life,

1129
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: and you would think the thought would cross his mind,

1130
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: like wow, maybe I've been holding her back. So when

1131
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: he does show up again in like Shrek Prime reality,

1132
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: he needs to be like miss Shrek. I feel like

1133
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: he needs to be like, hey, babe, like let me

1134
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: help you see your full potential here You're like, you know,

1135
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: like is there anything else you want to be doing

1136
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: with your life? Like right, I don't know, it's just.

1137
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: Where at that point, Like but at this point, it's

1138
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: like it's not even clear at the end of the

1139
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: movie if he's ever going to tell her that this happened.

1140
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: Probably not, I would say, maybe he's not, which is

1141
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: so scary. It's like the end of what was that

1142
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: movie we recently covered, Ruby sparks yes, yes, or like

1143
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: at the end he's like, I'm not gonna tell her

1144
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: that I was freaking creep.

1145
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 3: You're like, this absolutely sucks. This stinks as truly.

1146
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to touch on was something

1147
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: that comes up a few different times throughout the movie

1148
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: is a discussion of Fiona being quote only half Ogre,

1149
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: and then at one point Shrek says something like, well,

1150
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: you're not a real ogre. You know, you spent half

1151
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 2: of your life in a palace. And Fiona, I mean,

1152
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to necessarily, you know, judge her for

1153
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: how she responds to this, but it's something that I

1154
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: feel like you could equate with, like a person in

1155
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: the real world having a dual identity in some way,

1156
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: for example, people who are mixed race, or people who

1157
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 2: are the child of immigrants and have two or more

1158
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 2: cultures that are a part of their identity, or just

1159
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, like anyone who's gotten criticized for you know,

1160
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: not being xyz enough, you know, when for example, again

1161
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: mixed race people are told, oh, you know, you're not

1162
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: black enough, or you're not Asian enough, or you know,

1163
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, basically being told like you're

1164
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: not one thing or the other, so you don't belong

1165
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,520
Speaker 2: in either space. I think that would be an interesting

1166
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: Not that I think the Shrek movies are capable of

1167
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 2: exploring this any further, but it does get brought up.

1168
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: Well any any more than the Harry Potter universe was

1169
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: equipped to explore that through Hermion's character. True, I feel

1170
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 3: like you have a very similar I mean not to

1171
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: bring up Harry Potter, but like, I think it's a

1172
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: similar plot point brought up in the same era that

1173
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 3: also kind of like was always trying to start that

1174
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 3: but then never quite you know, did.

1175
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: Doesn't know how to actually like, yeah, have a character

1176
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: deal with this. Shrek says something like really cruel to her.

1177
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: He says, you're not a real Ogre. He's saying this

1178
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 2: to her as she is like an Ogre.

1179
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 3: Running the Ogre Revolution, and what are you talking about,

1180
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: you fucking asshole.

1181
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 2: I just it would have again, it would have been

1182
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 2: cool if that could have been explored more thoughtfully and thoroughly,

1183
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: and if we saw like how people saying that to

1184
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 2: her makes Fiona feel because like this is something that

1185
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: like Fiona would likely struggle with or deal with or

1186
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: you know, like have feelings about, but we barely see that.

1187
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 3: And also for her own husband to have such a

1188
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 3: callous way of speaking with her about it, for sure,

1189
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 3: which feels like a step back from what we hear

1190
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 3: in the first Shrek movie where he is like, that's

1191
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 3: part of why she falls for him is because he

1192
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 3: is accepting of who she is in all parts of

1193
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 3: who she is. But then like they have a couple

1194
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: of kids, and he's like, you're not a real ogre.

1195
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean I think that, yeah, these I that it

1196
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 3: does seem like being mixed race is the clear implication

1197
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: that's being made through Fiona's character. But you're right, like

1198
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 3: it's I can see, you know, especially in a media

1199
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 3: property this broad that it could be you know, used

1200
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 3: for viewers to connect who are coming from a lot

1201
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 3: of different points of marginalization, and it just basically says

1202
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: like no, Shrek says you gotta pick a lane, and

1203
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: you're like, that doesn't make any fucking sense, And it

1204
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: also just like doesn't even make sense with who we

1205
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 3: know this character to be, which is why they had

1206
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: to retire him for fifteen years so he could really

1207
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 3: think about what he said. Yeah, another another big missed opportunity.

1208
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: The last thing I wanted to say.

1209
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 5: Is between Shrek the Third and Shrek Forever after another

1210
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 5: Shrek property came out in two thousand and eight and

1211
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 5: it was on Broadway.

1212
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 3: And it was called Shrek the Musical, right, and I

1213
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 3: am very intimately familiar with this musical. I didn't get

1214
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: to see it on Broadway, unfortunately, but I have seen

1215
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: several local productions of it. I've seen it seven times,

1216
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 3: oh my god. And I've also watched it a lot.

1217
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: There's a professional Broadway recording of it that exists on

1218
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't know where it's currently streaming. Generally, with the

1219
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: other Shreks, it is really difficult to watch Broadway great.

1220
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: Brian Darcy James, who is a decorated Broadway veteran, play

1221
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: Shrek beside Sutton Foster, another like Broadway legend playing Fiona,

1222
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: and you're just like, what am I watching? And how

1223
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 3: much money must they have been paid? I hope right?

1224
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: As well as another Daniel Breaker plays Donkey extra like

1225
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 3: John Tartaglia won a Tony for playing Pinocchio. You're just like,

1226
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 3: this is a nightmare, this is disaster, right, But I

1227
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: do love it. I think it is. It's an adaptation

1228
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 3: of Shrek one that I think honestly worked better than

1229
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 3: Shrek one. I think it has more emotional punch it

1230
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 3: gives Shrek. I think so. I just I was thinking

1231
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: about that because this I think opened and closed on

1232
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: Broadway between the third and the fourth movie. But it

1233
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 3: does add to Shrek lore. I don't know. You know,

1234
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: if we're talking to the Shrek team and we say,

1235
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 3: is Shrek the musical on Broadway canonical to the Shrek universe,

1236
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 3: I think they would say, I don't care. But in

1237
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: a world where they did care, we would have a

1238
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 3: little bit of context for Shrek that includes, I think

1239
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: mainly the thrust of it explains why he got mean.

1240
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 3: It implies that he was thrown out by his parents, right.

1241
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: I remember that he was when he was very young,

1242
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: because that's Ogre tradition, is like to harden yourself to

1243
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 3: the world in the Ogre like fashion. You get tossed

1244
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 3: out by your parents when you're very young, and so

1245
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: that's how you become like a hardened Ogre right, and

1246
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 3: again it's just like, Wow, we have this incredible lore

1247
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: going into Shrek the fourth Edit's like the Broadway musical

1248
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 3: that won Tony's somehow, by the way, it won one.

1249
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: It won Best Costume Design. Sorry John Tartaglia didn't win

1250
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 3: a Tony for that, but you know, it won a

1251
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 3: couple drama desks as well. It was nominated for a Grammy.

1252
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it got more than it should have.

1253
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly, it just makes me really sad to

1254
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: think of like an actor as good as Brian Darcy

1255
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: James having to get into Shrek makeup every day for

1256
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: eight shows a week. That just seems like a horrible

1257
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 3: way to have to live. I think about that sometimes. Anyways,

1258
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 3: I just wanted to mention that there was a I

1259
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: think probably my favorite Shrek thing is Shrek the Musical

1260
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 3: because also the music is like good. It's like I

1261
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 3: I think so, I mean, I have a nostalgic attachment

1262
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 3: to it because I've seen it seven times and like

1263
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 3: many things Shrek, you know, started as a joke became

1264
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 3: real over time. But like, the music is good. I

1265
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: would recommend if you're popping on the soundtrack Build a

1266
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: Wall is like a bon Jovi song. It's wild that

1267
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: Shrek is singing, and also its pre Trump like it.

1268
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 3: You know, harder to listen to the song build a Wall,

1269
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 3: but he meant he means an emotional wall to keep

1270
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 3: out pain and hurt. That's another good one. Don't Let

1271
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: Me Go is Donkey's song when he's trying to be

1272
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 3: Shrek's friend. Iconic song I Know It's Today, A great

1273
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: song for Fiona. Oh god, it's just all I'll admit,

1274
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 3: it's all good. Yeah. So I would say my review

1275
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: of Shrek four is watch Shrek.

1276
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: The musical, okay, And my review of Shrek four is

1277
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 2: watch Puss in Boots the Last Wish.

1278
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, incredible? Okay. So we know that this movie

1279
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: passes the Shrek Doel test, Yes, but does it pass

1280
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 3: the Bechdel test? Well, no, Let's start the year twenty

1281
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: twenty four out on a hard and clear No. The

1282
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 3: witches talk to each other, but it's only about Shrek,

1283
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 3: and I don't know if we're really given. They're credited

1284
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 3: with names, but I don't remember learning them canonically.

1285
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't address each other by name. No, And yeah,

1286
01:16:55,400 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 2: they're talking about Shrek, and Fiona doesn't talk to any

1287
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 2: other women.

1288
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: She does. She talks to I think Jane Lynch Shrek, gretched.

1289
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 3: She talks to Gretchen, good name, gret pretty awesome, but gretched,

1290
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't believe responds she's making a military plan and

1291
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: they are like the dual smurfets of the town. Also,

1292
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,919
Speaker 3: there is one joke at Gretchen's expense where it's implied

1293
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 3: in this Smurf like Ogre kingdom that everyone has the

1294
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 3: hots for Fiona but she doesn't. Oh, that is one

1295
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: thing that we didn't get to that even in the

1296
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: world where Fiona is a revolutionary leader, she still can't

1297
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: have it all. Like she has to choose being a

1298
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 3: war which is which is fundamentally what this movie comes

1299
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 3: down to. You have to choose having a relationship with

1300
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 3: a family or being a revolutionary leader and never the

1301
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 3: Twain shall meet. But they're in a conversation like that

1302
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 3: I forget where they're like, oh, you know, nothing will

1303
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: convince Fiona to be in a relationship because blah blah

1304
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and Gratch It's like it would convince me,

1305
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 3: and everyone's like, eh, we're not attracted to you and

1306
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, anyways, it doesn't pass the backdel test.

1307
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 3: But what about uh, let's get it coming hot. First

1308
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: nipple scale of the year, Caitlin get pumps?

1309
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: All right? Zero do.

1310
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: Do do?

1311
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: Do?

1312
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: Do? Do? Do do do?

1313
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,959
Speaker 2: Okay, so on our scale of zero to five nipples,

1314
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: where we rate the movie examining it through an intersectional

1315
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: an interstrectional yes, lens, I would say, I'm going to

1316
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 2: give this a half nipple. As much as I enjoy

1317
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: seeing the very you know, fleeting moments of Fiona as

1318
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: a revolutionary leader, as a warrior, it's surrounded by a

1319
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: bunch of other gender tropy implications and just all the

1320
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: fat phobia around the puss and boots character. And at

1321
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: the end of the day, this is a story about

1322
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: like a man learning an emotional lesson. He's learning to

1323
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: be more emotionally intelligent and grateful, but also what does

1324
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 2: he learn. He doesn't learn to communicate any more effectively

1325
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: and open up emotionally to his partner. He learns that

1326
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: he needs to be grateful. But if you have to

1327
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 2: like have your entire life stripped away from you to

1328
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: learn that lesson, I don't know. Try harder go to therapy,

1329
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: like you need to learn gratitude wells.

1330
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 3: And also just as as a Shrek fan demonstrates, I

1331
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 3: think a real I just realize the sentence I'm about

1332
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,919
Speaker 3: to say demonstrates are real stagnancy and the character development

1333
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: of Shrek. Yeah, you're just like We've had four movies.

1334
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,799
Speaker 3: Shrek should be past this stuff now. He's been working

1335
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: through this ship for the whole franchise.

1336
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: My goodness. Yeah, he's very static. He never seems to

1337
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: learn or change, and he gets himself into the same

1338
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: high jinks for the same reasons over and over again,

1339
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: for Christe's sake. So it's annoying and I will give

1340
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: I'll give my half nipple. I mean, I'm inclined to

1341
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: give it to Fiona.

1342
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the alternate universe Fiona.

1343
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,879
Speaker 2: Alternate universe Fiona.

1344
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna give this movie no nipples. I

1345
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: was so disappointed. I've been disappointed in this movie for

1346
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 3: almost fourteen years now, and I don't think I have

1347
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 3: any nipples to give this time. I feel like, yeah,

1348
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 3: this is like a I think. And also because I

1349
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 3: I did like, it's a wonderful life, far better than

1350
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: I like Shrek. Forever After. But I feel like it's

1351
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 3: not an identical but a similar plot and takeaway that

1352
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 3: like is like worse or at least equally considerate of

1353
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 3: its woman character almost seventy years later. It's such a bummer, right,

1354
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 3: so I simply have no nipples to give it this time.

1355
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 3: I can't give it any like well it was of

1356
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: the time, like it wasn't. And I would love to

1357
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 3: see Shrek five written by not two Like, guys, what

1358
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 3: if that happened?

1359
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,839
Speaker 2: We should write Shrek five.

1360
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: I can't.

1361
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: I can't handle the pressure. It's too much, at least

1362
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,919
Speaker 2: in Shrek Forever After. When we see alternate reality Fiona,

1363
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 2: she isn't a quote unquote old spinster librarian that's true,

1364
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 2: is a loser because Shrek never married her. She's a winner.

1365
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: It's awesome.

1366
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: That's the one improvement that we've made in seventy years.

1367
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: It's not enough. Yeah, no, no nipples from Jamie. And

1368
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: with that, twenty twenty four is off to the traces.

1369
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: We're Shrek the hall. We've shreked the halls and now

1370
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: and now we're off to the traces.

1371
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: I also just say, okay, last I just think it's

1372
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: really funny and no offense to the Felicies of the world.

1373
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 3: But I think it was such an underwhelming line to

1374
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: be like, I've always wanted a daughter named Felicia, and

1375
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, wow, why.

1376
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: All of our Felicia listeners just unsubscribed.

1377
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 3: I just it's such a like. No, I mean, I

1378
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 3: would it would be weird if they said either of

1379
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 3: our names. You're like, that's a pretty normal, like, that's really.

1380
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: I've always wanted a baby Shrek named Caitlin.

1381
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 3: I don't know. Anyways, Happy twenty twenty four. We're rigging

1382
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: it in as always, and again, just another reminder if

1383
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: you want to check out our tour tickets, that's on

1384
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: our link tree, which is linked in the description of

1385
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 3: this that's San Francisco, Sacramento, d Austin, and San Diego

1386
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: coming up at the beginning of next month. And you

1387
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,480
Speaker 3: can follow us in all the normal places on Instagram,

1388
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 3: and we still post on the platform formerly known as Twitter,

1389
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 3: so that's where you can find us.

1390
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and you can also subscribe to our Patreon aka maatreon,

1391
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: where we release two bonus episodes every month, plus you'll

1392
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: get access to the back catalog of one hundred and

1393
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: fifty ish bonus episodes, all for five dollars a month

1394
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 2: at patreon dot com slash Bechdel Cast. This month is

1395
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: Dance December and we're covering Flash Dance and Save the

1396
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 2: Last Dance, So.

1397
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 3: We're celebrating a little late this year. You'll forgive us.

1398
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean we never, I

1399
01:23:54,439 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 2: mean Portman July has been celebrated in every other month based.

1400
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 3: You're damn right. And you can also get our birch

1401
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: at teapublic dot com slash Bechdel Cast. And again, if

1402
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 3: you're going to those tour shows, we will have tour

1403
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: exclusive merch at the meet and greet, so that'll be

1404
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: a blast. And we also have an exciting January plan

1405
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 3: for you, so stay tuned. Gang We love.

1406
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shreculator, sh reculator, Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is

1407
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 2: a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by Caitlin Derante and Jamie

1408
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: loftis produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited by Mola Board. Our

1409
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: theme song was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by

1410
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: Catherine Vosskrosenski. Our logo and merch is designed by Jamie

1411
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 2: Loftis and a special thanks to Aristotle Acevedo. For more

1412
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: information about the podcast, please visit link Tree Slash Bechdel

1413
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 2: Cast