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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Ashlyn Harris and welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Wide Open. I just got back from a long

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Speaker 1: trip in Utah with Red Bull, and yeah, it has

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Speaker 1: been a long few days. I had an overnight flight

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Speaker 1: lucky for me, my fortieth birthday is tomorrow, so I

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten much sleep. I don't imagine I'll get much sleep,

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Speaker 1: but this is an exciting time. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: celebrate my birthday. And yeah, I'll definitely have to recharge

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Speaker 1: next week, but as for now, I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: focused on spending time with family. My friends have flown in,

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Speaker 1: my brother has flown in, and this is going to

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Speaker 1: be one of the best weekends. And I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to spending time with friends and family.

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Speaker 2: To celebrate the years of.

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Speaker 1: Not really caring what other people think. So I look

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Speaker 1: forward to my forties. I just feel like in my thirties,

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Speaker 1: you hustle, You just hustle, hustle, hustle, and you try

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Speaker 1: to figure out like who you are and how you

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Speaker 1: want to show up, and you're working around the clock.

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Speaker 1: And I think forties, I just want peace and ease,

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Speaker 1: like That's what I'm searching for, is that type of

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Speaker 1: just purely standing and feeling my body and knowing exactly

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Speaker 1: who I am and showing up for my kids and.

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Speaker 3: Just total total ease. And I look.

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Speaker 1: Forward to that and also just like fucking not giving

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Speaker 1: workings of my home and my family. I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this new chapter. I look forward to my fifties. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm rich. Shit, I hope I'm making all aha,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make all that kind of money. I

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Speaker 1: want to be retired. I want to take vacations. I

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Speaker 1: want to bring my kids. I hope they're in college

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Speaker 1: or whatever they choose to do. I'm gonna be there

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Speaker 1: every weekend. We're gonna be going to football games, a

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Speaker 1: basketball game, and soccer games or whatever they're into. But

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Speaker 1: I just like, I hope I'm successful, and I hope

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Speaker 1: I have financial freedom to go enjoy like I've been

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Speaker 1: working and grinding for so long in my life and

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Speaker 1: having to restart it after my soccer career at thirty

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Speaker 1: seven is absolutely wild and most people don't have to do.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like hitting the ground, like running, like I'm

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Speaker 1: working around the clock. And I hope in my fifties

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Speaker 1: things slow down and I actually get to reap the

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Speaker 1: benefits of it and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Life a little more.

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Speaker 1: What I love so much about Katie O'Brien is her

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Speaker 1: refusal to really be boxed in. She's lived so many lives,

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Speaker 1: whether it's been an athlete, a police officer, an actor,

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Speaker 1: and activist, and I just feel through like every chapter

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Speaker 1: she leads with such conviction and a deep sense of self.

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Speaker 3: She's not looking to change herself for anyone.

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Speaker 1: She's literally showing up and she's got this big, beautiful

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Speaker 1: personality and body, and she's really confident in it. And

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Speaker 1: I think that stems from her childhood and her career

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Speaker 1: and bodybuilding and martial arts. Like she knows in her

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Speaker 1: core exactly who she is, and I find that so

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Speaker 1: sexy and inspiring and what a gift that she gets

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Speaker 1: to give that representation to young people.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I love this conversation so much.

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Speaker 1: It's just a reminder that reinventing yourself isn't running from

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Speaker 1: who you are, it's actually evolving closer to who you've

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Speaker 1: always been. What inspired me the most about her is

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Speaker 1: when she talks about, you know, showing up for roles

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Speaker 1: and how she looks and how her body and how

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Speaker 1: she moves in the world. It's just with such grace

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Speaker 1: and power, like you don't have to shrink yourself to

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Speaker 1: fit the story. What I loved so much about her

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Speaker 1: as you can rewrite it, and I feel that she's

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Speaker 1: done that. And her story to me is very powerful

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Speaker 1: because she can stand in the middle of her own reinvention,

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Speaker 1: which with such grace and conviction. It's learning how to

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Speaker 1: bet on herself again and again and again. And there's

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Speaker 1: so much that inspires me through the way she sees

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Speaker 1: the world. And I think all of our listeners are

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Speaker 1: going to feel that in this in this episode, and

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Speaker 1: let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Here's Katie O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Hi, everyone, welcome back to Wide Open with

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Speaker 1: Ashland Harris. I'm so excited today to be sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Katie O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: Katie, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me excited.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, I am such a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with like my algorithm now giving me all

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Speaker 1: of your content.

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Speaker 2: So you probably don't know this, but we're friends.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, and I get to actually creep and live my

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Speaker 1: life through watching all of your content. I love your

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Speaker 1: little like happy little life and happy little family, and

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Speaker 1: more importantly, I.

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Speaker 3: Just love that we're queer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need more queer people like us showing up

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Speaker 1: in the world who are very strong, powerful women.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you for being you. Thank you, thanks

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Speaker 3: for being you. You know, have you ever had someone

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Speaker 3: mess up your algorithm? I don't think so, you don't, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how do you even do that? I because I've done

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Speaker 3: a couple of movies with Glenn Powell at this point,

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Speaker 3: and some of my friends are very obsessed with him,

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Speaker 3: and whenever he does like a men's health shoot or something,

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Speaker 3: they'll send me all of that for some reason. And

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Speaker 3: I've had to like show him before and be like, hey, look,

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Speaker 3: if you ever happen to like creep over my shoulder

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Speaker 3: and I open my Instagram and it's just you. It's

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Speaker 3: not my doing. It wasn't my choice. But fortunately it

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Speaker 3: like quickly gets overridden by puppies.

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Speaker 2: And that is funny, I know. I mean, he's really

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Speaker 2: turned into quite the heart throb.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go on, like we need more little sexy white

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Speaker 1: boys running around with their shirts off. I mean, speaking

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Speaker 1: of bodies, your body is absolutely insane. What the hell

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Tell me everything I need? Like I'm

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Speaker 1: a little embarrassed. I actually had a black coat on

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Speaker 1: right here, and my team was like, uh, you're like

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Speaker 2: You have a oh, just a head.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I'll take Like this is

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Speaker 1: really intimidating to take my shirt off. Well I'm in

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Speaker 1: front of you, I'm like, that's it's a little off

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Speaker 1: the nose. But what I need to know before we

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Speaker 2: Like, what the hell do you do? Like give me

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Speaker 2: your tips and secrets.

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Speaker 3: I used to compete in bodybuilding, and so I've I've

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Speaker 3: for over ten years at least. And what's crazy is

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Speaker 3: I used to be much bigger when I was originally competing.

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Speaker 3: I was much bigger, and then I randomly lost like

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Speaker 3: was like super concerned, didn't know what was going on,

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Speaker 3: and I found out I had Crohn's disease. So now

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Speaker 3: it's like wow, yeah, now it's like my nutrition really

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Speaker 3: me to sustain and even try to build muscle. But

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Speaker 3: I used to walk around like one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: And what like, what are your workouts to build that

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Speaker 1: Like I I like, is it really just what you

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Speaker 1: eat or is it the type of like weight you're moving?

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Speaker 3: Clearly it's both and and you do have to fuel

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Speaker 3: for that. And I always I used to train clients,

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Speaker 3: to eat a decent amount of protein. It's like the

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Speaker 3: huge thing. It's uh. And I supplement with French train

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Speaker 3: amino acids and that's pretty much it. I just started

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Speaker 3: doing creatine because I like me too. Yeah. Yeah, people

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Speaker 1: Well, I heard also as we get older, like we're old,

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Speaker 1: I know you're you're a few years behind. But like

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, get on creatine. It's going to help you

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Speaker 1: so much. And you know, I was a professional player

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fat on that, don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: I want that, Like I don't. Like I heard you

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Speaker 1: and I got my brother on it nice, I know,

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Speaker 2: Sophia is on it. We're just like we're rocking the creatine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and it's I think a lot of people

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Speaker 3: FDA regulations for supplements. People don't realize that, like they

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Speaker 3: it's you you want things that are third party tested.

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Speaker 3: You want things that, Yeah, I will call the companies

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Speaker 3: if they don't know, then I don't take it.

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Speaker 2: That's smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I actually started taking it more for the

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Speaker 3: water retention because I was traveling so much and I

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Speaker 3: me just experiment with this, and I feel like I

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Speaker 3: feel a difference from that same. Yeah, but it also

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Speaker 3: has cognitive benefits, which is crazy exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's that's also what I just had COVID, you know,

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Speaker 1: it to just shut off. I'm like I'm consuming it

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Speaker 1: like literally like a beast right now, what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start from the beginning with you because you have

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Speaker 1: such an incredible story and there's just there's so much juice.

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Speaker 2: To all of it.

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Speaker 1: You started like at a very young age with martial arts, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And what was like what was like the because there's

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Speaker 1: when you talk about martial arts, there's like so much,

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Speaker 1: so many different kind of genres in that.

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Speaker 2: What was your main focus or you kind of.

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Speaker 3: Did it all? I started just with karate. I was

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Speaker 3: getting picked on in kindergarten by like a bunch of

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Speaker 3: much older boys because I apparently I dumped their younger brother.

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Speaker 3: I know, I don't know, it's kindergarten. I didn't even

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Speaker 3: just he's been in construction in his whole career. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, speaking of your wife, I.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see people like us in movies or in

436
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: magazines or even in sports.

437
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: And for a really long time, like.

438
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: I thought I was a boy because I wanted to

439
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: be a professional athlete and only I only saw men

440
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: doing it. And like, what what does it feel like

441
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: now being such a pivotal part of queer representation and

442
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: media and movies, and like it does it? Does it

443
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: excite you? Do you feel like that type of weight

444
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: is like not what you've asked for or you're like, yeah,

445
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep pushing and asking the questions to demand

446
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: more and more and more and more, or because these

447
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: young kids, not even young, all of us deserve it.

448
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel like a weight on myself. And

449
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: because I also feel like I have a great community

450
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: around here, or not just around here, but within the

451
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: entertainment business, and we're all pushing for changes and improvement.

452
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of those things when I meet

453
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: with producers or other actors and I'm like, why do

454
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: we not have a women's action role comparatively to like

455
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: something that Jackie Chan would you back in the day.

456
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 3: You know, there's no like women that are fighting for

457
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: their community. There's no women that are fighting just with

458
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 3: their hands. It's always with a gun, or it's always

459
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: in a fantasy world or sci fi or something like that.

460
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: So why I'm as big as Jackie Chan, Why like,

461
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: why can't we do this? And it's so funny that

462
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: there's not even a narrative out there for it, Like

463
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 3: there's not they don't even know how to write a

464
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: script to do this, and it's it's just wild to me.

465
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: So it's something that you see the little the things

466
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: that are missing, and you just try to fill that.

467
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: But then it's also how are we gonna get this financed.

468
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: I you know, there are there's a very big homophobic

469
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: market that doesn't want to see that. There's a very

470
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: big you know people hate women. It's just like more

471
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 3: than it seems like they had ten years ago. So

472
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: it's fighting those battles.

473
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: And you did, you know and love lives and bleeding you.

474
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: You did get to portray you know, this queer character

475
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: with Kristen Stewart. By the way, fucking great movie, like

476
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: so fun, oh my god, because it's just it's so

477
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: every time you watch a queer character, it's like the

478
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: same shit over and over. For me, it's like this

479
00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: coming out story or it's this like whole just it's

480
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: just not real and it's not raw, and it's always

481
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: like I just really really love the weirdness of the movie.

482
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I don't know you,

483
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: but I felt like I saw you and like really you.

484
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: And I don't think most people get to have the

485
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: ability to play a character like that that is so

486
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: true to who they are, to how they move in

487
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: the world. Like even the scene when you're fucking body

488
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: like it's just beautiful in front of all of like

489
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: what what was that like to portray a queer character

490
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: on screen with Kristen Stewart, come on, like what was that?

491
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 3: Like? What was that?

492
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: Like?

493
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: It was? It was kind of wild. I would it

494
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: was an open casting call. They couldn't find this body

495
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: boulder character, right, and I didn't that. Yes, someone posted

496
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: something on Twitter which I will never call x uh

497
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: and they they were like they're looking for this person.

498
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: Someone tagged me in it and I was like, oh, yeah,

499
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: that's me. They were looking for a queer bodybuilder to

500
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: star alongside Christmas Store in this movie. And I was like, yeah, okay,

501
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: I'll do that. And I was really curious as to

502
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: why I didn't even get an audition, because I've like

503
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: that casting office knows me that my agents would. I'm like,

504
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: why would you not? This is me? And then when

505
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: I got just my audition sides, which I finally got

506
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: an audition, I put a whole power point together. I

507
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: was like, here's my moving on here if you need it, like,

508
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: here's me with you know, my bodybuilding pictures and whatever.

509
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: So I got the audition, I'm reading just what the

510
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: words and everything. It was so well written, which I

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: get so many rips, and I'm like how how did

512
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: this get funded? You know, I'm like how? But this

513
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: was something that was It was just so beautiful and

514
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: I think it helped that Rose Glass is queer, you know,

515
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: and so she's got an understanding of women and this

516
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: lifestyle I guess, and but not bodybuilding, but like two

517
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: women loving each other gets uh, And yeah, it was.

518
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: It was just everything that I learned about this character

519
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: made me want to be her more and more, play

520
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: her more and more because I felt so many little connections.

521
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: And then I just walked into a callback. I walked

522
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: into the room like I already had the part because

523
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just me and yeah. Then

524
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: I had like six more auditions where I was like

525
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: to the point where the last one I was like,

526
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: shooting starts in two weeks. If it's not me, you

527
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: need to find someone else. I'm not gonna come in

528
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: anymore because I'm not gonna do it any differently. So

529
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: you can watch all the old things that I've done.

530
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: I just I get really stubborn about things. So I

531
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: was like, I have fought for this, but if it's

532
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: not working for you, I don't want to be the

533
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: wrong person for this part. I don't think I am,

534
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: but I don't want to be. And I finally got

535
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: the part and then it was fun like our it

536
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: was like the third audition was the Chemistry we read

537
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: with Kristen Oh wow, And I just kind of walked

538
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: outside and she's just sitting in the in the room

539
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, would it bother you if I talked

540
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: to you for a bit before and She's like no,

541
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: So we just sat down and chatted before we even

542
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: went in, and she was just super chill. And yeah,

543
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: it just kind of was like I think that that

544
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: wasn't the energy that I expect from like such a

545
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: big as icon whatever, just just so like whatever just

546
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: laid back. So I was that maybe more excited, and

547
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: then as we started going, we were both just kind

548
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: of like down to We were both very passionate about

549
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: this project. And yeah, it's like being gay is not

550
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: even kind of the conflict in it. It's like very

551
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: rare that you see that, and we're kind of not

552
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: we're not role models in it, you know. It's just

553
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: we loved just how raw and gritty and and just

554
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: insane the script was, so that fueled our fire for it,

555
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: and I think it was a really fun collaboration, and

556
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: I hope she feels the same.

557
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: Well, I would assume so, because I like it is

558
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: so chemistry is so important and I can't imagine just

559
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: being thrown into that and being like.

560
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Here, shoot your shot.

561
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: But like, that's what that's what makes you so special,

562
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: and that's what makes actors so special is their ability

563
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: to show up and fucking nail it right there. And

564
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I like, you have such a cool show personality, and

565
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: you know you're a queer person.

566
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Like I love hearing that she was just fucking normal.

567
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I love hearing just these people who are so iconic

568
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: in our community or whether it's music or acting, like

569
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: they're just cool, fucking people and they realize very quickly

570
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: they're not carrying cancer, that they're here to bring life

571
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: into people and move them in a certain particular way,

572
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: and they don't take themselves too seriously.

573
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: You don't always get that in Hollywood, as I know,

574
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: I know, unfortunately.

575
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those things where at the end

576
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: of the day, when you read a play, it's called

577
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: a play. Right, You are supposed to have fun movie making,

578
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: filmmaking it should be fun, and it should be a

579
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: way for people to escape from reality when they watch it.

580
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: It's not yet, like you said, we're not caring cancer.

581
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: We're not rescuing people from burning buildings or anything. But

582
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: the hope is to entertain and to bring joy to

583
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: someone and to help someone feel seen too. Is is

584
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: so important And yeah, I just I find joy in that,

585
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: and I hope other people do. I grew up, you know,

586
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: in the Midwest. It's so boring sometimes. So I've watched

587
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: a lot of movies and oftentimes when I would see

588
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: something like or like Xena on TV or g I

589
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: Jane or you know, some of these like really strong women,

590
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, I want I want to be that.

591
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: That's so cool. It just inspired me.

592
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I was saying this to one of my friends who's

593
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: in the in the in the industry, And like, the

594
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: way you've carved out like some of the biggest fucking

595
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: blockbuster hits is such a credit to who you are

596
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: and how you show up. It's clear that people want

597
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: to work with you, which is different. It's like the

598
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: same as a team as you are on a set.

599
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Like how you move in that chemistry and how you

600
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: move in that space affects the whole. Yeah, and like

601
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I never have heard anything but really fantastic and great

602
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: things about you. So I think it's a real credit

603
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: to who you are, how you show up, and how

604
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: you choose to show up and stay humble in an

605
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: industry that's often not the easiest. So I'm curious what

606
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: you feel like your wife is a writer, correct, yes, okay,

607
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: which is that's I need you guys to make something together,

608
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: I know, like tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, And I can imagine

609
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: those dinner talks like what do you both feel right now?

610
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: That is really missing, you know, from movies and storylines

611
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: and queer representation or underrepresented communities.

612
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: I think that what we're really is still finding difficulty

613
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: with is seeing someone like me as a lead without

614
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: you know, a wig or something in a blockbuster. I

615
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: think that that's still a very hard sell because something

616
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: was specifically like a blockbuster is going to go for

617
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: like an international market. And I don't know if you

618
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: just saw, like there was a movie that in China

619
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: they they changed the gender of a queer couple or

620
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: they changed one of the people to a different gender

621
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: so that they would be a straight couple through AI

622
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: n to show it to their audiences, and that is

623
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: a huge market, by the way. So and then it

624
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: was a Neon movie and they pushed back fortunately, which

625
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: was really cool. But yeah, they they did that, and

626
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, an ant man, it was like a big

627
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: thing that I think it was like guitar didn't want

628
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: a Pride flag in a bookstore, like something that small.

629
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: They just didn't want it in the movie. So there

630
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: are all these little things that you're still fighting for.

631
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: And it's almost maybe nearly impossible for someone's to like

632
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: me to be a lead in a blockbuster. So that's

633
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: something that we're trying to to gradually change. I don't

634
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: know if we ever will, but if I don't, someone will,

635
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure. But it's just a it's a tell the times,

636
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: I guess, and I will say the reason I am

637
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 3: able to get where I am right now is because

638
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: of all the people before me that paved the way.

639
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: So by the time I made it to Los Angeles,

640
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: they were looking for androgynous women. They were looking for

641
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: this term that everyone hates ethnically ambiguous, and I'm biracial,

642
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: so I was like, yay, I checked these two boxes.

643
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: And then all of these shows, Marvels, Walking Dead, d

644
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: C comics, all this stuff that was becoming really popular.

645
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: They loved having, you know, a martial arts back or

646
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: a police background. So all of those things just kind

647
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: of like came together just the right place, right time.

648
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: And I was very fortunate because if I had shown

649
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: up in Hollywood ten years earlier, it wouldn't be the same.

650
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure I would have to probably still have my

651
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: long hair and maybe like pretend to be straight or something.

652
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Speaker 3: But I just don't think that was ever going to

653
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: work out. I think my wife laughs because she's like,

654
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: you walk like it lets me. I just can't. I

655
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: don't know that I can. I quite hide it.

656
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: I get it.

657
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it through and through.

658
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Speaker 1: This is wide open, and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

659
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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

660
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Do you think you know?

661
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: Because my partner is an actor and who's been raised

662
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: in this scene for a long time, and like she's

663
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: such a gentle song in that space, I'm always like, how,

664
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: like how how has it not broke you in a

665
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways because it's a really, really tough industry

666
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: and it's a very competitive industry. And I'm curious because

667
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: as a queer woman, as someone who's been so in

668
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: touch with their body who knows themselves through and through.

669
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Has it made it easier for you to navigate and

670
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: move in this new dynamic of your job of what

671
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: you're doing as an actor because of the life you've

672
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: lived in the discipline you've had in sport to really

673
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: like know yourself because I am I imagine that's your superpower,

674
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: but I'm I don't know.

675
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm really good at uh. I don't think

676
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: you can make change in anyway or make progress unless

677
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: you're very honest with yourself about who you are, and

678
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: you can make changes like that's that's definitely possible. But no,

679
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: I do think that's so important. And then that helps

680
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: me not question like I'm always gonna question you. Am

681
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: I being as as kind as possible to someone? Or

682
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: am I being as fair in this situation? And I

683
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: surround myself with people that will be honest to me

684
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: about that, and and my wife is definitely one of

685
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: those people where she will remind me certain things. So

686
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: I think that knowing yourself is really important. And actually

687
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: it's like a It's like those three Delphiic maxims on

688
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 3: the Temple of Delphi is like know thyself nothing in excess,

689
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: and there's like one other, but I really do those

690
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: two for sure. I'm not into extremism. I like to

691
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: and that's why I kind of taper it away from

692
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: bodybuilding competitions. And I'm not I'm not really I don't

693
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: want to second guess myself, but I do want to

694
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: make sure that I'm like, I'm staying grounded and I

695
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: understand and I'm staying focused. And then kind of like

696
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: you you put pointed earlier, this this whole industry and

697
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: being on set is a team industry, and you have

698
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: to want to service the team as best as you can.

699
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: And let's say that you know, someone comes into that

700
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: team and they're just a better forward than you are,

701
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: and you're like, shit, I got it, Like they're so good.

702
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit there and say, well, I was

703
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: always that person, Like they can't come in. I'm gonna

704
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: want to service the team. So I just lost it.

705
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: There's a I don't know if you know kayleer Rey's

706
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: it's a boxer. She's just like a badass and we're

707
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: constantly going for up for each other's parts, and she

708
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: just got something that I was maybe up for, potentially

709
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: possibly but when I think about it, I'm like, that

710
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: makes sense, and I think that's going to serve better

711
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: service the story for what they're looking for. It just

712
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: makes sense. And also having met her and knowing how

713
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: cool she is and like how how much she like,

714
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: how serious she is about this and focused and everything,

715
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: I just want to cheer her on. So there's also

716
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: that aspect of cool. Yeah, you you can't like if

717
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: someone else gets apart, you just have to celebrate them

718
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: because it's it's a win for everybody at that point.

719
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: And I also, like, I think martial arts is is

720
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: you you're constantly failing. You know, you're you're constantly getting

721
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: beat up, You're constantly being thrown to the ground, and

722
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: it's the resilience of learning how to stand up. And

723
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, what did I do wrong that time,

724
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 3: or what did I do right that last time? How

725
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: do I adjust my like you said earlier technique my

726
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: mindset something like that to go in with a better

727
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: focus the next round. So I think that that that

728
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: level of athletics isn't the bodybuilding too. I'm not you know,

729
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm not a pro bodybuilder. I I don't know that

730
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: I have us so yeah, I don't know that I

731
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: have what it takes to be a pro bodybuilder, honestly,

732
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: Like I've gotten as lean as I feel comfortable getting

733
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: and with how competitions are judged these days, and my

734
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: first contest, it was like I got docked points because

735
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: my suit wasn't like cute enough, you know, and it

736
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: was a little too big, and I'm like, I worked

737
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: so hard to get here and it's my outfit that

738
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: is being judged right now. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy.

739
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: It's a crazy world. So then you just kind of

740
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: have to like it's not in your control. You know,

741
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: you can only do so much, and the judges are

742
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: going to judge how they want to judge. And then

743
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: when you go into an audition, the outcome is not

744
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: in your control. You can just give the best performance.

745
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: I love auditioning because I get to practice what I

746
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: love doing, and so that's what I do. And sometimes

747
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: I don't even look at like I see what they

748
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: want for the breakdown of the character, but I read

749
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: the size and I'm like, that's not what I feel

750
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: this character is, and I'll do what I want. And

751
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: oftentimes that doesn't work out, and sometimes it does, and yeah,

752
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: I just.

753
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Think again again, betting on yourself, gulling with your gut

754
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: like that is like such a key takeaway because in

755
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: your industry, usually it's body shaming. You have to look

756
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: a certain way, you need to be tall, you need

757
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: to be thin, you need to be this, you're not

758
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: enough this, you're not enough that. And you just show

759
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: up and you're like, actually, I'm just gonna be fucking

760
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: me and either you roll with it or you don't.

761
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: And that's I think a lot of people need to

762
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: sit and hear that, because we bend ourselves so fucking

763
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: much for other people. It gets to a point where

764
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: we don't even recognize the person we're looking at in

765
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: the mirror. And I think you're really true testament of

766
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: just doing you. And I think people are envious of

767
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: that and they want to be like that, but they

768
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: don't want to feel the shame of being exactly who

769
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: they are. It's easier to be someone else.

770
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no social media is so I it just

771
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: elevates that. I feel like it makes it even worse.

772
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: And because your entire life could be on display for

773
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 3: a robot and then you're sitting there having a robot

774
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: make you feel bad, or someone that like you literally

775
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: will never meet in your entire life, and you're letting

776
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: them make you feel bad. It's so bizarre to me.

777
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: I was watching this documentary about Phil Heath, who is

778
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time, and he's

779
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: also one of the first bodybuilders. He's like mister Olympia,

780
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: like I don't know, eight times wow in a row,

781
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: you know. Uh. And he's one of the first ones

782
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: to have to deal with social media as Instagram was

783
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: coming out, and the way that people would have the

784
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: audacity to get online and talk about this man's body,

785
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: knowing that he's the best in the world at what

786
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: he does, and they're trying to trash talk him and

787
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: they it's just it's funny to me, and it's to me,

788
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: is symptomatic of them not feeling happy with themselves, because

789
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: why else would you do this, Why else would you

790
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: want to tear someone down?

791
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

792
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: So it's just wild to me. But it had an

793
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: impact on him, and and that's that's something that also

794
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: I had to check it's like, because it does you know,

795
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: it is hurtful sometimes when when you see how much

796
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: negativity and hostility there is in the world oh God, yeah, yeah,

797
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: But I mean the best you can do is continue

798
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: to show up and and I think be yourself and

799
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: not let that bring you down because then what they

800
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: then they win.

801
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I think that's also the best part of

802
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: this new phase of life.

803
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm about to turn forty and I'm

804
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: really in the like the phase of.

805
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: My piece is my piece. Yeah, even if the world

806
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: outside is on fire, in this house, it's peace and

807
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: I hold on to that. And with that, I know,

808
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean I could say what's next for you? But

809
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: I know Running Man is what's next for you?

810
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: Work wise?

811
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: But like personally, by the way, everyone a new movie

812
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: of course, Katie's and Running Man that's coming out in

813
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: November and I'm really with Glenn Powell and i can't

814
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: wait to watch it, So everyone go check that out.

815
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: But what is next for you, like for you personally,

816
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: for you and your wife, for the peace in your

817
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: home outside of what you do, Like.

818
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: What is next?

819
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have I have four movies coming out.

820
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 3: I have to pick I had Am in the next

821
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: two months. I have a rom com Maintenance Required that

822
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: comes out next week. I have so it's October eighth.

823
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: I think I have Queens of the Dead gets a

824
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: theatrical release. It's this queer zombie movie that Georgia Meiro's

825
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: daughter puts. Yeah, she wanted to honor her father's legacy

826
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: but also in her own way, and so it was

827
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: like the whole queer community of New York came out

828
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: and put this like budget of glitter and shoelace together

829
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: to make something very fun and campy and and so cool.

830
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: So that'll be out October twenty fourth in theaters. And

831
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: then Christy, which is the story of Christy Martin, who

832
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: is a woman boxer. She's absolutely incredible. That comes out,

833
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: I want to say, November seventh. And then Running Thing

834
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: comes out November fourteen, So it's absolutely wow. It's gonna

835
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: be a weird couple of months, but I'm sorry, it's

836
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: my friends.

837
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: So so pretty much Katie saying bye bye. I'm sorry.

838
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: I won't get down.

839
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm working, but not for a couple of months. But

840
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: support me, yeah, by movies.

841
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: But we really, you know, we are, like like I said,

842
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: we're trying to create some of our own things now

843
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: and produce some of our own projects that we feel

844
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: either fill a hole or just something that we're passionate

845
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: about and want to do. So oftentimes, if I get

846
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: a script that I think is really amazing, I'll have

847
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: Kylie my wife like kind of script doctor a little

848
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: bit to make it a little bit better or fill

849
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: in some of the gaps that it's missing, for like

850
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: a I think, a smoother narrative. So we've kind of

851
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: been doing that and trying to produce some things. And

852
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: then on the deeper level, we are in the process

853
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: of we're doing our like family playing. We're deep in

854
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: the process.

855
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: If I love that, Yeah, I love that, And that's

856
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: not always that easy. So it's like the process for

857
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: fertility to have family, and I like it is.

858
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: People don't talk about it enough. So I wish you.

859
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: Both like the best because it's it's definitely a tough, tough,

860
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: but beautiful journey.

861
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're very excited and we're fortunate. I mean,

862
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: hopefully we don't scare them off. I don't know, but

863
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: we've got an amazing donor who I love that for

864
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: a long time and just seems to be really game

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Speaker 3: to like just help us create a family, which is

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Speaker 3: just so so beautiful and we're like, what can we

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Speaker 3: can we give you in return? But yeah, so we

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Speaker 3: have we have that setup, which is awesome, and you know,

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Speaker 3: just going through the process of like, you know, we

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Speaker 3: we have a house. We're trying to make it a

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Speaker 3: little more yeah baby, yeah, yeah, kid friendly. And then

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Speaker 3: our dog is insane. So we're also trying to desensitize

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Speaker 3: her kids because the last thing you want is like

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Speaker 3: she just she doesn't like write or attack anyone. I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna but she's uh, she's like a hurder. So

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Speaker 3: she and she barks when she does that, so she

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Speaker 3: terrifies people. And she'll like nudge kids, you know, like

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Speaker 3: if they're not in the packs, like nudge them.

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Speaker 2: I wonder where she gets that from.

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Speaker 3: I don't that's her, that's her mom. We fostered the

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Speaker 3: whole litter and I saw how her mom behaved there.

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Speaker 1: We go, yeah, yeah, it sounds like you're very busy,

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Speaker 1: which yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also it's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And I wish you and your wife the absolute best

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Speaker 1: and I look forward to continue watching your career. And

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on here, being vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: being honest, than being such a trailblazer and the queer

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Speaker 1: community and representing us so beautifully and staying true to

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Speaker 1: yourself in the process, which is really important. And I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I get to watch from a very very far lens.

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Speaker 1: Feel like it feels really nice to see someone like

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Speaker 1: yourself on TV. And I'm hopeful for this younger generation

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Speaker 1: because I know you and I didn't have it, And

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Speaker 1: you know, how cool is it to say that you're

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Speaker 1: able to give that to a lot of young kids

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Speaker 1: who need it right now. And I personally want to

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Speaker 1: say thank you because it's really life saving, it really is.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate your work, Katie, and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on Wide Open. And if you could

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Speaker 1: leave our listeners and those who are watching with one thing,

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Speaker 1: what would you leave them with?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's always weird, like to be on a

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Speaker 3: podcast like this and then you sail nice things and

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Speaker 3: then I have to be like, because you know, I

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Speaker 3: watched y'all win the World Cup, Like I got to

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Speaker 3: see those moments, and like when women's soccer was like reinstated,

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Speaker 3: it was I was still I was like almost a

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Speaker 3: teenager or something, right like when we went against China,

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Speaker 3: yeah ninety nine, So all of that matters, Like The

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Speaker 3: first thing that I did when I found out I

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Speaker 3: had Crohn's disease was look up athletes with crones disease,

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Speaker 3: because I wanted to know if I could still perform

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Speaker 3: how I used to perform. So you being out there

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Speaker 3: and doing what you do and then doing things like

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Speaker 3: this is iconic and I also very much appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: So I want to sit here and take all that.

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, I don't know. The theme

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Speaker 3: over here has been be yourself, do your best, and

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Speaker 3: you know, there's just try to take a step out

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Speaker 3: the door, you know, like cash Grass. Yeah, there we are.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you being on Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with all of these new movies and shows

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Speaker 1: coming out so deserving, and hopefully you know, we get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a double date going on here pretty.

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Speaker 2: Soon, sweet when we're back in LA.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: We're based in New York at the moment, but we're

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Speaker 1: always in LA.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be spending a bit of time in New

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Speaker 3: York the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: So okay, well, let us know we would gladly support you.

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Speaker 1: Hi to your wife, and until next time, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks all right. Thanks everyone for tuning in

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Speaker 1: to another episode of Wide Open.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Wide Open with Ashland Harris is an iHeart women's sports production.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen Borca, Coreo,

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Speaker 1: Emily Maronov, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from Malia Aguidello.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 2: Our editors are Jenny

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Speaker 1: Kaplan and Emily Rudder and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris