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Speaker 1: Hello one, and welcome back to the hammerd Territory Podcast

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Speaker 1: presented by Fox One. I am your host, Brad Rowland,

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Speaker 1: coming to you on a Friday evening, and I am

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Speaker 1: joining on today's podcast in my tramp at return, I

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Speaker 1: guess by Steven Tolbert Stephen, how are you here in

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Speaker 1: mid October?

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Speaker 2: Brad Rowland in the flesh, the man, the myth, the legend,

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Speaker 2: back from overseas travels. My man is starting his Hawks

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Speaker 2: nonsense that goes on for like eight twelve.

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Speaker 1: Months a year the rest of the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: Uh goodness, it's good to have your back, buddy.

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Speaker 1: No good to be here. I you know, apologize to everyone,

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Speaker 1: including mostly my co hosts, for not being around the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. It was not it was unavoidable.

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Speaker 1: But here we are. No one cares, and we'll dive

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Speaker 1: into what we're gonna do doing on today's podcast to

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Speaker 1: Friday night. We'll fill and lose Baseball's on as we

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Speaker 1: speak on the background. We'll talk about let' talk about

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Speaker 1: that later on in the podcast. But basically the backdrop

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Speaker 1: of today's episode is that as a show on the

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Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network, we love our guys valid Territory. They

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Speaker 1: are our bosses, but also colleagues, friends, et cetera. A

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Speaker 1: lot of our shows are gonna be doing this this

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Speaker 1: particular episode. It's basically taking taking kind of a team

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Speaker 1: by team look at five players who may not or

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Speaker 1: maybe probably won't return to the team. Our guy, Derek

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Speaker 1: from Pittsfrogh Territory is kind of push your child for this.

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Speaker 1: He hosts the Yankees podcast, does a great job with

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Speaker 1: this particular episode every year. Actually, I want to say

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Speaker 1: this out loud for the record, and I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to speak for you, Steve, and I'll speak for myself.

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Speaker 1: The guys we're gonna talk about today, we're not saying

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Speaker 1: that they are one hundred percent going. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you that right now. I'm saying that right now. I

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Speaker 1: big on caveats, big on context, nuance. We're not saying

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Speaker 1: these guys are definitely gone. For the record, I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with that, Steven. We're safe on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's we'll talk about it when we gainst each guy.

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Speaker 2: But there's there's an argument for all of these guys

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Speaker 2: to actually be on the team next year. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's real world issues with either their contract or options

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Speaker 2: so that's what got them on the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, if we wanted to do a definitely gone episode,

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Speaker 1: we could have done like Eric Fetti and Cal Quantrill

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Speaker 1: and Jared Kelnick, and that would have been not particularly

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Speaker 1: interesting because we all kind of know the deal there,

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Speaker 1: Whereas these guys will talk about today and there are

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Speaker 1: five of them, plus some maybe honorable mentions at the

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Speaker 1: Like we could probably make an argument for them these

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Speaker 1: guys to stick around. Maybe they maybe they're gone more

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's an interesting exercise and uh factors

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Speaker 1: in play. So Stevehn, without any further delay, you want

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Speaker 1: to just dive right in here. We can go to

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Speaker 1: the five guys. This is not necessarily in an order,

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Speaker 1: but I want to start with Marcelo Zuna.

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Speaker 1: I think that's not a surprise people that follow our podcast,

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Speaker 1: follow the Braves, that marcel would be on this list.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he just finished up a contract in which

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Speaker 1: he was making sixteen million dollars this last season. Now

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Speaker 1: He's say free agent, there's no options, He's just a

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Speaker 1: about a month, which is interesting. And of course, as

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Speaker 1: we all know he is, he is the most DH

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Speaker 1: Stephen he was still a pretty good hitter last year.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was a terrible hitter. There was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the That's the whole crux of it,

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Speaker 2: think about how much they paid Marcelo Zunu between twenty

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Speaker 2: Like it ended up being almost one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: They paid him a lot of money and they did

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Speaker 2: Now I talked about this on the last year. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I just at his age, with his I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: He seems kind of round, like he doesn't like he

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not in the best. He's not. He's not

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people will say like, neither is

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of baseball players who are not in

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Speaker 2: Like, then then you add in the you add in

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Speaker 3: there's just a really strong argument.

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Speaker 2: We've made it multiple times when we've talked about outfield

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Speaker 2: I just if you ran a ten thousand simulations, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're essentially not doing like the full on

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Speaker 1: how long he's been here. Basically, he received MBP boats

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Speaker 3: What was the total money for the six years do.

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Speaker 1: You have I don't have it in front of me.

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Speaker 1: but if your Marslo is gonna you can't if you're

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Speaker 1: the Braves, you can't have Marcelo's going to play every

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Speaker 2: So and I'm actually curious, just not even in the

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because DH is like, have a it's tough

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Speaker 1: this season. Okay, Stephen, before we move on to the

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Speaker 1: rest of our list, we do have a moment to

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Speaker 1: the official daily fantasy partner of the NFL. And there

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Speaker 1: was a little bit of news this week, Steven and

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Speaker 1: I stress a little bit. There wasn't that much this week.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that actually came out was the

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Speaker 1: Gold Glove of finalists and two Braves got the nots.

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Speaker 1: It was Matt Olson and Nick Allen. And with due respect,

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Speaker 1: we talk about Matdilson plenty on this podcast, and we'll

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Speaker 1: do that more later on. So we want to shout

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Speaker 1: out Nick Allen on Today's Player Spotlight from DraftKings and

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Speaker 1: Pick six because Nick Allen, obviously the bat was a

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Speaker 1: topic throughout the season. I think we probably agreed that

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Speaker 1: Nick Gallen is not an everyday player in most circumstances.

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Speaker 1: But listen, Nick Allen is a heck of a defender

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Speaker 1: that short stuff. And this is a appropriate way to

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Speaker 1: describe this, like him being a finalist, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna win. If I had to guess he might win,

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Speaker 1: it's possible he wins, but I wanted to just shout

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Speaker 1: to play it by obviously my hosts on KIM when

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Speaker 1: he came in became a starter. That made sense. But

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Speaker 1: Nick Allen was ridiculous. What thick love this year?

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Speaker 3: He really was, Yeah, I mean he can't hit.

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Speaker 2: I remember, I remember you got so much crap when

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Speaker 1: Was that was it being mean? It just was like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Hammer Territory presented by Fox one,

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Speaker 1: and we're rolling along with our list of guys who

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Speaker 1: either having already told everyone he was going to opt

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Speaker 1: in or a new deal being done. But as of

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Speaker 1: mid October, he still could be a free agent and

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Speaker 1: there's been some reporting. I know you guys talked about

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Speaker 1: what I was gone about him maybe leading towards being

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Speaker 1: a free agent all that stuff. But player option Alice

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Speaker 1: is a little player options. We know the deal there. Today,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's literally his birthday. I'm recording this Friday.

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Speaker 1: He turned thirty two day October seventeenth, So have birthday

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Speaker 1: to Hassan Kim. But hey, man, he's a he's a

444
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Speaker 1: good player. He's not he's not an elite player, but

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Speaker 1: he's a good player. I have one favorite stat on

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Speaker 1: him too that I will share with you now before

447
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Speaker 1: I forget to say it. His last four seasons, so

448
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Speaker 1: basically his his the majority of his MLB tenure if

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Speaker 1: you go by his Fangrafts War per full season, so

450
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Speaker 1: once sax he's two, he's been a three point seven

451
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Speaker 1: Fangrafts war player per full season. Yeah, that's a really

452
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Speaker 1: good player. Not an elite player, but a really good player.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Braves were the Braids would like

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Speaker 1: to keep him, it seems like by all accounts. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of nuance here, man, A lot of thing's

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Speaker 1: going on with Huntin Kim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said that Scott and I did a show

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Speaker 2: last week or a couple of days ago, I can't remember,

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Speaker 2: and I said it to Scott. Then I think people

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Speaker 2: are gonna be surprised if he gets to free agency

461
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Speaker 2: because he didn't have a great year last year. But again,

462
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Speaker 2: teams are not nearly as reactive to small samples as

463
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Speaker 2: fans are. I think teams still see a really good

464
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Speaker 2: player when healthy, and I think he's healthy. I think

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Speaker 2: I think fans are gonna be surprised how much money

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Speaker 2: house On Kim makes in free agency if he gets there. Now,

467
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Speaker 2: I think he is gonna get there because there's literally

468
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Speaker 2: nothing else at shortstop other than Bob Baschett, and most

469
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Speaker 2: of the league doesn't even consider bobashett a shortstop at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: So like he's gonna have his pick all the teams

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Speaker 2: that need a shortstop. He's gonna be like the first call.

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Speaker 2: So like if in his agent is Scott Boris, like,

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Speaker 2: there's no I just don't see.

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Speaker 3: A world where he's Scott Boris.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna because I think Scott Boris thinks that the

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Speaker 2: worst case scenario, he can get sixteen million guaranteed in

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Speaker 2: a contract somewhere maybe not like for the full year,

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Speaker 2: but like he thinks he can. Right now, the only

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Speaker 2: thing Hassan Kim has if he opts into the player

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Speaker 2: option is sixteen million guaranteed. So that's the only number

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Speaker 2: he has to beat in free agency in order to

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Speaker 2: make the decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean elementary. Yeah, this is what we are

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Speaker 1: talking about him a lot. We'll talk about him more,

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Speaker 1: but I get the feeling the braves. But just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if the opts out and Boris has nothing out there

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Speaker 1: for we'll just say this hypothetical, there's just nothing out

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Speaker 1: there for him. Wouldn't Alex just give him that deal? Again? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: I think you would.

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Speaker 2: That's my point, Like, what is the risk of opting

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Speaker 2: out at this I don't think I don't if I'm

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Speaker 2: Scott Boris or hass On Kim, I don't see any.

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Speaker 3: Risk in opting out.

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Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you on that. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: he's on the list. We will not do any more

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Speaker 1: on Hassan Kim. It's been If you want more, there's

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Speaker 1: plenty in our archives, and it'll be more in the future,

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Speaker 1: I promise you. But he has to be on the

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Speaker 1: list because even it's a player option, which means he

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Speaker 1: has the power if he wants to leave, he will leave.

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Speaker 1: I think that. I still think the Braves have a

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Speaker 1: good chance of keeping him on some variation of a deal.

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Speaker 2: But uh, we will we will know, I will say this,

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Speaker 2: We will know, oh five days, within five days of

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Speaker 2: the World Series being over, so we'll know, like early November.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna know pretty darn soon about Hassan Kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been an absurd amount. I literally have the

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Speaker 1: let us continue with our list and we'll get out

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Speaker 1: of here. Two relievers that we're grouping up a little

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Speaker 1: bit together to run out our list. We've done the

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Speaker 1: big bopping d H, the Closer, who are both for agents,

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Speaker 1: plus on Kim who might be a free agent. Then

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Speaker 1: there are two club option guys that are not total

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Speaker 1: no brainers. So we got to if we're trying to

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Speaker 1: get to five, these are these you and I degreed

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Speaker 1: were the ones, and they are Tyler Kinley and Pierce Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Kinley, less familiar to Braves fans, came over midseason,

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Speaker 1: was really really good, had an era below one with

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Speaker 1: the Braves which was wild. But he'll be thirty five

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Speaker 1: in January. All these guys, by the way, other than Kim,

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Speaker 1: We're all look in their mid thirties, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: But he has a five point five million dollar club

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Speaker 1: option with a small buyout. That's Kinley, and then Pierre

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Speaker 1: Johnson has his seven million dollar club option. He'll be

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Speaker 1: thirty five in May. So basically four of these five

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Speaker 1: guys are in their mid thirties. And Pierce had a

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Speaker 1: rough September which actually kind of forgot. He had like

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Speaker 1: an eight like an eight er a September this year

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Speaker 1: when it was all over anyway, so I wasn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: we weren't like living and dying anymore. But probably speaking Steve,

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Speaker 1: what is your like ten thousand foot view on Kenley

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Speaker 1: and Johnson, because those guys are at least like not

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Speaker 1: total like mail the card in early club options.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, Pierce Johnson felt like a pretty obvious

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Speaker 2: pick up most of the year, but a couple of

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Speaker 2: things have happened. One, Pierce Johnson did not have a

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Speaker 2: good September, like you said. Two, you know, the idea

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Speaker 2: that he he really does struggle with lefties has kind

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Speaker 2: of made its way to the forefront more and more

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Speaker 2: where he is kind of a not a platoon righty,

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Speaker 2: but he's just not a good grade against lefties, so

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Speaker 2: that like limits his high leverage. And then three, the Braves.

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Speaker 2: You know, you always have this like are the Braves

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Speaker 2: gonna need money? And you know, a seven million dollar option.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a really low buy It's like a

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty k buyout. It's like the basically

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Speaker 2: as low as you can get without without having any buyout.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Scott's the one that the first one that brought it

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Speaker 2: up to me is like, you know, we've kind of

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Speaker 2: treated this as a no brainer.

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Speaker 3: Is it a no brainer? Like do we need to

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Speaker 3: have this conversation?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is a no brainer. Just

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Speaker 1: for the record, I mean, I think maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: lean Yeah, it's it's also complicated, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: like the honerable mentions in a minute. But you also

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Speaker 1: have Aaron Bummer making nine and a half million dollars

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Speaker 1: and that's guaranteed money. That's not an option. But Alex

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Speaker 1: is not afraid, as we talked about earlier on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: to pay relievers. But you start adding up and if

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Speaker 1: you want to bring if they do want to bring

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Speaker 1: it's a Glacier or somebody else, it gets expensive in

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Speaker 1: a hurry to start stacking all these like third, fourth,

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Speaker 1: back this year all Kinley is five and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars, but like that's still five and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars. That's more than you're paying Dylan Lee who's

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Speaker 1: making peanuts. Still, So yeah, it's not a no brainer,

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Speaker 1: and I think those the reason why these guys are

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Speaker 1: are more likely to be back than guys like Glacias

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Speaker 1: and Nozuna because the team has club options on them

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Speaker 1: and it's like kind of a yes or no at

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Speaker 1: if you're Alex and Thoppolos, but they're if you're trying

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Speaker 1: talk about I think these guys have to be on it.

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Speaker 1: And Pierce is really interesting. I mean Kiley, I think

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Speaker 1: because it was he was the only move of the deadline,

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Speaker 1: and we were all kind of like frustrated by that.

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Speaker 1: We talked about him more than we would have normally.

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Speaker 1: But they saw something there and it manifested like Kenley

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Speaker 1: was really was really, really good and it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: huge sample size, but he's a real reliever. For five

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Speaker 1: and a half million dollars, it would have seemed unthinkable to

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Speaker 1: most of us two months ago for them to pick

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Speaker 1: up Kenley and not Johnson. But that's like an that

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Speaker 1: could happen.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because Kenley's buyout is almost a million.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like it's.

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Speaker 1: Nearly a million. Yeah, it's it's like seven to fifty

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Speaker 2: Like twenty percent of the contract. So it's not it's

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Speaker 2: not the same level of savings as it would be

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Speaker 2: with Pierce. If you think Kenley can be better in

651
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Speaker 2: high leverage you know, I can make that case the slider,

652
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, against lefties versus the curve ball against lefties.

653
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Is kind of the conversation you have to have there.

654
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Speaker 2: We could go way deeper into this if we wanted to.

655
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Speaker 1: We'll do that.

656
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Speaker 2: We'll do that later, yeah, not today, but we will.

657
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Speaker 2: There's an argument. There is certainly an argument. And listen,

658
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: some of it's gonna be tied to what else the

659
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Speaker 2: braders want to do and how much money they need

660
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Speaker 2: to do it, and those are unfortunately if that's just

661
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Speaker 2: information we don't have.

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Speaker 1: And so that's right now, this is a it's interesting exercise.

663
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Speaker 1: We intentionally did not want to put anybody in our

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Speaker 1: five that would have to be traded, Like we're gonna

665
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Speaker 1: mention some guys. Now, let's you have more to add

666
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Speaker 1: on Johnson and Kinley, which feel free if you'd like to.

667
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: Steven audible mentions is where we kind of put some

668
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Speaker 1: guys that we could be traded because, like I am

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Speaker 1: fond of saying, this is also the case in my

670
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: basketball work, but it applies to baseball to trades are hard,

671
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: like assuming trades will get you in trouble y sometimes,

672
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, before a deadline it becomes clear to everyone

673
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: that the guy's good, the guy's gonna get gonna get moved,

674
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Speaker 1: and it happens. But look, we all thought that Rysell

675
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: was gonna get traded this this at the deadline, and

676
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. So even more so in the off season. Like,

677
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Speaker 1: for example, Aaron Bummer is the guy that I know

678
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: I've defended too, braves fans who just don't like him,

679
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: which is fine, but Aaron Bummer at nine and a

680
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: half billion dollars is not exactly appealing even to me

681
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: as an Aaron Bummer apologist. That's a lot of money

682
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: for Aaron Bummer, and if they can figure out a

683
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: way to trade that, they probably have to think about it.

684
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy another guy that I know I've defended a

685
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: lot as a podcast, be defended a lot. Sean Murphy's

686
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: making Starter Starting Catcher money, and the Drake Baldwin exists,

687
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: so that's he's got to be on it at least

688
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: the peripheral list here as a guy that they could

689
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: move on from, you know what I mean, Like, it's

690
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: obviously they could trade. They could trade most anybody. They're

691
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: not gonna trade Ronald Olsen, I think those guys are safe.

692
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Drake's probably safe with this boy, I would imagine, But

693
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of the roster, it's like, hey, you

694
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: could at least Winkkins find a trade, you know.

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Speaker 2: So the thing about Aaron Bummer, because I've I've thought

696
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Speaker 2: about this ten million dollars not ten, it's like nine

697
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Speaker 2: and a half.

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00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: It's basically ten. Yeah, is that Weirdly?

700
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Speaker 2: If Brian Snitcher was still the manager, I would I

701
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: would almost say Alex is definitely gonna trade him because

702
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: Snid just never trusted Aaron Bummer in high level. He

703
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: just became a middle leverage, low leverage reliever, and that

704
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Speaker 2: I'll you cannot pay like that ten million dollars and

705
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: use him in the fifth inning.

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00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not unless you're like Steve Cohen or something.

707
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: If you're if you're trying to be somewhat reasonable what

708
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Speaker 1: your payroll, you can't do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we know for a fact that there's a new

710
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Speaker 2: manager coming in at some point, probably a whole new

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Speaker 2: coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that at a later show.

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Speaker 2: But and so there's like a world where he's like,

714
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Speaker 2: all right, a new manager used Aaron Bummer differently. Now

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Speaker 2: I will say this about Bummer because I have defended

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: Bummer as well. He did come in last year throwing

717
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: like two miles an.

718
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: Hour slower on the fastball.

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like he was like a ninety four guy

720
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and this year he was

721
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: a lot of ninety one ninety two.

722
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: That matters. Two miles an hour on.

723
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Your fastball matters quite a bet. Now he still got

724
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: the sweeper. You can still get left eats out. But

725
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: again we're talking about ten million bucks, so I can

726
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: certainly make the case. But it's oh, you know, they

727
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: owe him one year. It's basically a one year deal.

728
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: At this point, I think you could move off of

729
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: it if you really wanted to. You're not gonna get

730
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: much back in return. I think it'd basically be just

731
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Speaker 2: clearing the money. Sean Murphy, we'll see, I mean I really,

732
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: we will see. You have to have two catchers in Atlanta.

733
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Speaker 3: They have to. You want them both to be decently good.

734
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Speaker 1: And we've also seen repeatedly that even if fans don't

735
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: understand or don't want to, don't want to understand, alex

736
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Is always, always, always wanted two catchers. It's not just

737
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: like an Atlanta thing, It's an Alex thing. At this point,

738
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: he obviously wants two starting level catchers on the roster,

739
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Speaker 1: and Murphy.

740
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: Does make fifteen million dollars, but Baldwin makes league minimums.

741
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Right, Baldwin making nothing makes that very very easy to

742
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: take on.

743
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: It's much easier to think about it together as together

744
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: they make sixteen million, and that is dual.

745
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: Like, that's that's very doable. So like.

746
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Speaker 2: I would be especially because of the hip injury that

747
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Murphy suffered or we found out about in September, I

748
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: would be surprised if Murphy got moved Bummer I could

749
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: a hunter. I could see Burmer being traded tomorrow.

750
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think Bummer is probably the most likely

751
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: player making real money to be traded on the team

752
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: that's under contract, Which is why said his name first,

753
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: Like he's probably like the sweet spot guide it because

754
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: it would be easy to move him. I think if

755
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to, and it's a reliever, but you know,

756
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: we won't name everybody, but like we're not a Lopez. Yeah,

757
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: they could trade lops. I wouldn't be stunne by that

758
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: if they if they find it, if they get in

759
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: the season. They don't think he's gonna be a starter anymore,

760
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: and somebody else wants him to start somewhere else. He

761
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: might have more value somebody else in the Brakes. That's

762
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: that's like one of those very interesting things you could see,

763
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ozzie post pick up up an option they

764
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: could trade Ozzie. I mean, we kind of debated you

765
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: and I putting Ozzie on the original five list, but

766
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: it was like, do we really think that I is

767
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: going to be Like I think we both think I

768
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be back, So it was like kind of

769
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: a hard sell. But he's I mean, there's a club

770
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: option there, there's trade stuff there, whatever. So no, I mean,

771
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: Honora Mentions is a long list. I mean you can

772
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: talk about like non tender guys. Jake Freeley is a

773
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: guy that I think is a real major bigger, but

774
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: like he might be non tender. That's very possible. Nick Allen,

775
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: we talked about Nick Allen earlier.

776
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: Nick Allen.

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Speaker 1: Nick Allen makes the minimum basically, but if you don't

778
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: want a zero bat utility guy, if you want to

779
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: go with Nacho or something else, like, if you don't

780
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: if you don't want that profile maybe you move off

781
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: from Nick Allen too, like a guy that started a

782
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: ton of baseball games this year for you and is

783
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: so cheap if that's all you know about a guy

784
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: that you would assume he might be back. But that's

785
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: a profile that you have to like otherwise you don't

786
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: like it.

787
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: And I'll say this, if you signed Hassan Kim to

788
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: the kind of money I think hass On Kim's gonna get.

789
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: You're not subbing hass On Kim out in the eight

790
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: the ninth ending of games.

791
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's playing. He's playing every He's playing every ending.

792
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: And if you're not gonna sub him out for a

793
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: defensive replacement, though, what the hell is Nick Allen going

794
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: to be on the team to do well?

795
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: It's basically only there for this scenario for an injury. Yeah,

796
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: if you get hurt, that's that's basically which there's an

797
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: argument for that when you're making the minimum anyway, that's

798
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: for another show. But that's just goes to show you

799
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that could be on this

800
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: list further down that we're not talking. I mean, even

801
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: somebody like Bryce Elder, Like we talked about Bryce the

802
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: last two years of like, if another team wants this

803
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: has to be just Bryce even Joey Ontz, pick your

804
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: other guy who's like very very possible that.

805
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: Gets included in a deal.

806
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I kind of doubt that one, just less,

807
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: but still yeah, it's possible for sure. I mean, anyway,

808
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: it's a October show, Stephen. We've we've done it. We've

809
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: uncovered our five plus honorable mentions and uh deep guys

810
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: to come. I mean, we share some numbers were but

811
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: like we're gonna do the deeper dive, positional player centric,

812
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: more depth talks because we have plenty of time for that.

813
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: We're in this another region. We've been very open about that,

814
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: but like not we're not used to doing the shows

815
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: in October. They're not about playoffs, so it's like we're

816
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: in this little in between land right here. But hey,

817
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: check out Fox one. By the way, check out Baseball

818
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: bas popping right now. I've been excited to be back

819
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: this week and watch Baseball Live. That's been fun. Enjoyed

820
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: that and maybe we'll just play off talk at some

821
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: point in the podcast soon.

822
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: I think the Dodgers is going to take over the

823
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: world anyway, So I'm not sure there's much to talk.

824
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: The Dodgers are looking pretty darn good, for sure, But

825
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as you have Gumbo throwing a

826
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: complete game, it's like whoa. I mean, the fact that

827
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: doesn't happen anymore.

828
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: The fact that they got all of their pitching to October,

829
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: like it wasn't healthy all year and somehow they got

830
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: it all to October healthy is just unfair.

831
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: The light came on and they're loaded for sure. Well, Steven,

832
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this on a Friday evening. Please

833
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: if we might have a new listener or two or

834
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: seven or twelve, Where can folks find all of your

835
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: musings on the Braves and everything else? Roll tiede and

836
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: such because they're you're Abama guy and such.

837
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: Sean left town before Bama Tennessee because he didn't want

838
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: to see.

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Sean's just stucking meat. That's Seann's ducking meat. That's all

840
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: it is. I came back. Sean left, That's just what

841
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: it is.

842
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: But he didn't want to. He didn't want to smoke.

843
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, be underscore outliers. You can come fall along. We

844
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: do a lot of live tweeting. Obviously, the Braves aren't

845
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: playing right now, but yeah, college football, college basketball is

846
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: about started this all for the host on the show,

847
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: a big college basketball fans, So yeah, yeah, come come,

848
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: come join and and talk some sports.

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00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,959
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