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Speaker 1: that's the intro? Yeah, sorry, cow bunga? Is that? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: it generally considered polite to return the cowabunga? Or do you?

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Speaker 1: very cowabunga to you? Well? I think normally it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it's more a term of excitement. It's it's not an expletive.

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Speaker 1: What's the words? An exclamatory. Yes, it's an exclamatory. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I am a link quist. So this is really helpful

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Speaker 1: for me. So cowa bunga. It's it's a way of saying, wow,

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Speaker 1: the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise. Yeah, I'm extremely young,

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Speaker 1: just joking off Mike with our guests, who we will

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Speaker 1: comes to Ninja Turtles. Jamie. Yeah, I'm throwing back to

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Speaker 1: She's got a little Morton jacket. So this is the

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Speaker 1: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Secret of the Ooze episode of

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast, requested by everyone. We are most popular request.

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Speaker 1: People have just been clamoring how to Lose a guy

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Speaker 1: and we've done all of them pretty recently. So you're welcome. True,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome. So this is the Bechtel Cast, our show

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Speaker 1: in which we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Toronte. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 1: Cow Bunga to you, calabunga to us all please, oh,

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Speaker 1: and everyone if you're if you're sitting next to someone,

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Speaker 1: we can make it like Sunday service. Could you turn

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Speaker 1: said that, but I didn't say what the Bechdel test is? Sorry, yes,

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Speaker 1: So I was born in nine so I was like

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Speaker 1: This I've seen many times, Thank you so much, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: like a floor rotation slash romantic tension, and eventually they

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00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: kiss at the end. He is a jerk to her

419
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: the whole time, and then there's also some like not

420
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: very appropriate for a kid's movie stuff that happens where

421
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: he gives her a very horny massage at one point

422
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: where he is first like shoves her down in a

423
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: chair in a pretty violent way, and then he starts

424
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: to give her a massage in which he is almost

425
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: like touching her breasts and it's just like, why is

426
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: this happening in this PG movie? So basically in this

427
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: first movie, she's damseled, battered, and treated poorly by her

428
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: love interest. I hate how In the second movie, they

429
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: deal with that by being like, um, let's just not

430
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: have her be in it that much question mark, then

431
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: we can't do anything fucked up to her. Yeah, so

432
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: in Secret of the Ooze, April doesn't have to be

433
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: rescued at any point. Some random lady does at the

434
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Vanilla Ice concert. But was that that was just a

435
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: random lady who loved Ninja rap. And that's that's also

436
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, not that this excuses it, but that's like

437
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: a very brief moment. It's not like a super like plot, like,

438
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: none of the plot really revolves around that. No, it's

439
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: just to the point where it was weird that it

440
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: was included at all. It was like, right, damseling someone

441
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: we don't know for thirty seconds and then having it

442
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: be completely fine. And then she also does put a

443
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: button on the scene by passing out. Women be fainting.

444
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Women be fainting. But to be fair, Keno faints at

445
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: one point in the movie, so they are giving um

446
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: equal opportunity, right, Um, So April does not have to

447
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: be rescued. She's not wedged into a relationship with an

448
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: asshole or anyone, which also reduces the ways in which

449
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: she was like over sexualized in the first movie, so

450
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: we're not really seeing any of that in this sequel. So,

451
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: like you said, Jamie, she just like isn't given a

452
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: lot to do. I would say her involvement in the

453
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: story isn't zero because she is investigating T g R. I.

454
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: But also nothing that she does in this movie has

455
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: any real bearing on the plot as so to say

456
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I think you could take her, I mean, I know

457
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: you can't canotically take her out of the franchise, but

458
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: you could take her out of this plot and not

459
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: much would change, which I feel like, isn't such a

460
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: bizarre like moment. I mean, I guess moment in feminism

461
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: in like one particular way where it's like I don't know,

462
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: like that whole third wave thing of like, but you

463
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: can't be mad at us because we gave her a job,

464
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, but the job she's doing doesn't

465
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: have any bearing on what's happening or any decision she

466
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: makes at all. Right, And and most of the time

467
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: in her job, I was like a little frustrated to

468
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: see that almost every piece of information she makes she

469
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: kind of encounters by mistake, Like we don't get to

470
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: see her do a lot of investigating. It's she encounters

471
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the plot and information she needs by accident, and then

472
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: she's like, I knew it, and you can tell that

473
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: like in the early nineties, this was like feminism. She

474
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: has a job, and there's another little glimpse of that

475
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: when her boss is like, it's ratings week, drop this

476
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: g g R. I story do something really interesting and

477
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: then he like hands are a piece of paper and

478
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, swimsuits of the nineties and he's like, yeah,

479
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I find that really interesting, and like her reaction, we're

480
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, yeah, she doesn't care about, you know,

481
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: women in swimsuits. She cares about this hard hitting journalism

482
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: she's doing. But it's like, which is like she's not enough, right,

483
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: but then let her do the hard hitting journalists, right.

484
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: She could have easily been with Jerry question Mark her

485
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: like assistant cameraman, assistant person when he finds the dandelion,

486
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Like she could have easily snuck in with him, or

487
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: it's been her by herself, and then she tells Jerry

488
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: and then he tells Shredder, like that could have been

489
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: a moment for her to be more active in the story.

490
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: Totally totally. It felt like she It's interesting to know

491
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: that there was all this shoehorned in love interest stuff

492
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: in the first movie, because it felt like in lieu

493
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: of that, they were just like, well, we're just not

494
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: going to have her around as much, when it's like,

495
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: instead of finding ways to meaningfully include her in the plot,

496
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: when it sounds like, canonically she's a great character to

497
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: have there because she's theoretically an investigator. Bizarre right, And

498
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: on the tale of the first one, she's now the

499
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: highest paid investigative reporter in New York City to afford

500
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: a two level apartment after days of her old apartment branding.

501
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: It's like, and it's like, too bad for New York City,

502
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: because this lady isn't investigating a damn thing she's she

503
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: is yell at the chief of police a lot. And

504
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that this movie and the first one.

505
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: I did not go back and rewatch the third movie

506
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: because it um sucks. But uh, these two movies present

507
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: cops in a way that shows them as being like

508
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: severely incompetent and never handling things properly, to the point

509
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: where April says to the police chief like she's like,

510
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: I guess you're not the ones who are going to

511
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: handle this. Right after, like there's a scene where Token

512
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: raisar like reek havoc on the city and the police

513
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: chief is just like, that's what we do best, not

514
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: handle things, and that we're like, whoo hoo. That's pretty

515
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: cool for a nineties movie. I like that, and I

516
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: also liked I have a question for the two experts

517
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: in the room. I like how the Turtles have this

518
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: like story that's connected to ironmental disaster, and that this

519
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: movie also kind of like the Ouze is like this

520
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: vaguely environmental story. Is that something that happens on the

521
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: show a lot? Because I thought that that was really cool.

522
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: I actually don't know, it's been such a long time

523
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: since I've watched the shows. UM. I feel like it

524
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: was part of that trend in the early nineties where

525
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: it's like Captain Planet, the Power Rangers, the Turtles, everyone

526
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: had the environment and being environmentally conscious on their radar UM,

527
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure how deeply it goes in UM

528
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: Turtles Cannon and then they forgot. I'm curious because I

529
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: know that this franchise is being rebooted again again by

530
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I think Seth Rogan. Yeah, that's what I heard, And

531
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if that didn't come into the

532
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: news story because it's like they lend themselves very well

533
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: to an environmental crisis story that hopefully isn't too depressing, right,

534
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: because their whole origin is we came in contact with

535
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: toxic Way East. But that was actually a good thing

536
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: because they turned into these awesome crime fighting martial arts experts. Yeah,

537
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be a very like, don't worry, guys,

538
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: everything's gonna actually be awesome when the environment collapses. Yeah,

539
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: we'll just all turn into these amazing superheroes. Yeah, pizza

540
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: eating turtles. Another thing about April, even though this movie

541
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: doesn't foist a romantic relationship on her, the turtles all

542
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: have a crush on April, especially Michael Angelo, or at

543
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: least he's the most vocal about it. And I just

544
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: got to think, like, what if you were a grown,

545
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: adult human woman and there are these four horny teenagers

546
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: that all have a big crush on you, and then

547
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: they're all also mutant turtles. See that's where you lose me.

548
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: I just it's a it's a weird choice, I think,

549
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: but wild but it also feels so of the era.

550
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah that Yes, it's also interesting because I watched the

551
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: first one and the second one pretty close back to

552
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: back to prep for this episode. I also watched the

553
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: third one, which Choices. But there's a scene when um

554
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Master Splinter is kidnapped in the first movie where they

555
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: come to her door crying, and so it's very much

556
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: like you were the only adult we can turn to,

557
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: while also still having this sort of hyper sexuality. It's like,

558
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: we want to bone you, but you're also kind of

559
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: a mother figure. In the first one, try, I couldn't

560
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: tell I settled on big Sister because I'm like, is

561
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: she mommy? It made me feel better to think of

562
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: her as big sister? Sorry, can we just pause for

563
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: a second? Son? You just got here? Yeah, okay, let's

564
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: let's sunny. Might be running back and forth and there's

565
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: not going to be a way around um right, So yeah,

566
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: she's not mommy really like Splinters definitely daddy, but she's

567
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: not big sister because they all want to have sex

568
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: with her. Maybe it's like a creepy babysitter kind of thing.

569
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: It's babysitter. That might be a yeah, because it's like

570
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: she's not Yeah, I agree that she's not exactly mommy,

571
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: but she does take on this like caretaking role for

572
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: them and she worries about them, but she's clearly not

573
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: like into them. Yeah, thank god. She wants them out

574
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: of her apartment. She's like, I'm the highest paid journalist

575
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: new York City. I'm I'm trying to fuck all these

576
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: turtles in a rat are like living here. I love

577
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: imagine her bumble profile. She was like, we can't go

578
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: back to my plays. Not that it isn't nice, but

579
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: I just have something's going on right now. There might

580
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: be four strange teenage boys and it's not of my apartment,

581
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: right and they're like, oh okay, unmatched They're like, wait, no,

582
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: they're turtles. Like what. That doesn't make it any less

583
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: weird for the only woman in the movie to be

584
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the like caregiver slash person that they all have this

585
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: like little you know, like teen infatuation with, and then

586
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: for her to also not really be allowed to do

587
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: anything narratively significant. Don't love it. It sucks And it

588
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: also I just I definitely saw the first Megan Fox

589
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles movie in theaters because fun fact or maybe

590
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: it was how many teenage? I saw the one that

591
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: came out in like the late two thousand's whatever one

592
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: that was. So there there are two there, one from

593
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: fen and there's a sequel to it from sixteen, both

594
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: produced by Michael Bay. Okay, what was the one that

595
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: came out in like two thousand and seven? Seven? There

596
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: was another one? So I saw that one. Okay, So

597
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: there's a computer animated one called T M and T

598
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: Chris Evan's. It's the Chris Evans Teenagement. Ninta turtle because

599
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: I that was my cousin's first date and I was

600
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: like her kid cousin, and she's like, you're gonna come

601
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: with me? Oh, you were a little chaperone. Yeah, I

602
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: was this. I was a baby chaperone of no kissing

603
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: while I watch that's adorable, creepy. Anyways, I guess all

604
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: that to say, I know that there are movies that

605
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: treat April O'Neil much worse than this movie does. Well

606
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: because in the Megan Fox ones in particular, which this

607
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: one is, and this is the Sarah Michelle Geller one,

608
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: apparently I don't remember. I mean all all that to say,

609
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: like Megan Fox was given the full on Megan Fox

610
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: treatment of how she was treated it in every movie

611
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: where her body was super exploited, where she was like

612
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: given love interests and just all this stuff. And it's

613
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: so frustrating in these franchises that all they need to

614
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: do is involve more women or less guys that only

615
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: have one idea because the the only it seems like

616
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: the only alternative to treat April not horribly is to

617
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: like reduce her presence, which is so not true. Especially

618
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: it's extra frustrating when it's like in the bones of

619
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: the character for her to be very useful to any

620
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: plot involving the teenage mutant Ninja turtles. I know she's

621
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: got contact, she can make calls, She's probably got people

622
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: who will tell her things off the records, so she

623
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: can like sneak around and get information. It's like, we're

624
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: just gonna have her chillen and nowhere, right, And I

625
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: don't know if like the the you know, the property's

626
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: logic is, well, she doesn't have martial arts train name

627
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: and therefore she can't participate in the action scenes. But

628
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: it's like, well then that's all the more reason to

629
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: give her other things to do. Yeah, there's so much

630
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: surface world stuff she could be doing, like dealing with

631
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: the police, She could be dealing with any of these

632
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: business owners. Does no one have security cameras that she

633
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: can steal the footage and use in her reports, like right,

634
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. They have to like stay

635
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: in the shadows because they're human sized turtles, which I okay.

636
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Another thing I really enjoyed about the movie is that

637
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be making much of an effort

638
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: to hide in the shadows. It's so funny, like when

639
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: they're there's a computer sequence that are so computers. It

640
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: made me laugh so much, where they're like computers, like

641
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: they're they're such they're so goofy, but they're like theoretically

642
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: they snuck in there and they're screaming, they're so loud,

643
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: and they're huge turtles and they just are making no

644
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: effort to come seel themselves, which is sort of what

645
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: is being said to them at the end of the

646
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: movie where they're like, yeah, we're so discreet, Like I

647
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: just it's so funny. Yeah, and then spinters like he

648
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: holds up the what made the newspaper a photo of

649
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: them dancing to Ninja wrap and he's like, try harder. Okay,

650
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: you're telling me that would be front page news. If

651
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: for human size turtles started dancing in public and then

652
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: almost killed people, that would be front page news. Correct,

653
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: that's a documentary, yes, right. The thing that was jarring

654
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: watching them back to back is in the first one

655
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: when her boss and his son come over. They hide

656
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: so well for the most part. One of them is

657
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: caught under the table, but then is immediately gone to

658
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: watch this right after, Why is your foot there for

659
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: Keynote to step on? Like lost all of your ninja

660
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: skills so they can do it like, but sometimes they

661
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: just don't. It's really funny that scene that you're referring to, Carlos. So,

662
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: there's a scene where Keynote shows up to April's apartment

663
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: because he's like, something's going on these I saw these

664
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: turtles and I want to know more about it. He

665
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: shows up, He shows up under the guys of like,

666
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: I've brought you a pizza and she's like, well I

667
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: didn't order a pizza, and he's like that's okay, I'll

668
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: just come in. So he comes and uninvited, he's like,

669
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: what are these doing here? Referring to the nunchucks. And

670
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: then rather than April being like, who are you, please

671
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: get out of my house? Your trespassing? What's it to you?

672
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: What these nunchucks are doing? Sense? He's an important side

673
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: character in the film, so she doesn't kick him out,

674
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: but she's like just being really defensive about like, these

675
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: are my nunchucks, look at me practicing them, And it's

676
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: just like you can you can just tell this stranger

677
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: who's intruding onto your property to lee Ago, like in

678
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: another movie, that is the setup for a horror, a

679
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: lifetime movie. That's the beginning of funny games, like when

680
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: you just let a stranger into your home. And then

681
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Keo is holding her hostage and it's the scariest thing

682
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. God, I don't know why I just

683
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: conjured that movie. It's so scary. I'm impressed. Yeah, that

684
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: was a choice. Sorry, on the tail end of the

685
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: first movie, because this is days later, Like Shredder is

686
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: in the garbage at the end of the first one,

687
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: he's found in the dump like a day maybe two

688
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: days later. She should be very reticent and fearful of

689
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: random people coming to her door trying to find her,

690
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: Like her house was just burned down and her dad's

691
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: shop and she got I know we're talking about the

692
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: second one. We were talking about the second, but she

693
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: like in the first movie, she's like, her dad was shot. No,

694
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: he had a shop and it was burned down to

695
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: open for him. Still pretty bad, but yeah, and the

696
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: first one she's assaulted by the foot and then later

697
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: kidnapped or I forget exactly all what happens, but like

698
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: she like multiple times she's in these dangerous situations. And

699
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: then yeah, in this in this one, she's just like, uh,

700
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: come on and pizza guy, these are my nunchucks and

701
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: show yourself around. It's totally fine. So yeah, that was

702
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: um bizarre. I guess it would make sense if you

703
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: had four ninja turtles in your apartment, maybe you wouldn't

704
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: be scared of one dude at the door. Maybe, right,

705
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: But even I'm just still like, no, like self preservation,

706
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: where is it? That's why it's like I feel like

707
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: April is like treated like such a plot character that

708
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: in moments like that where it's like, well, she just

709
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: needs to behave. However, the plot needs her to behave

710
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: in order for this movie to be eighty one minutes

711
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: long where it's like we've got minutes to play around with.

712
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: She doesn't have to be thrilled about this, right, it's frustrating.

713
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: I was interested to learn about the the actor who

714
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: plays Keno. I I wasn't familiar with him, but apparently

715
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with his work because he's like a

716
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: famous stunt performer who's been doing stunts since he was

717
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: a child. So he was Donna Cello stuntman in the

718
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: first TMNT and then he was just upgraded to human

719
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: character in the second one, which is kind of fun.

720
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: And then he's done a time. He did stunt work

721
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: in Avatar, he did stunt work in Tim Burton Alice

722
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: in Wonderland. Like he's just he's kind of a legend.

723
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: He hosted a reality show on MTV and two thousand nine.

724
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: Who didn't it was it was about stuntman, It wasn't

725
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: about It wasn't totally random, but like he's just been

726
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: in goddamn everything. He was in The Really Bad Child

727
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: above Indiana Jones. You know, I just was so thrilled

728
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: to to learn about learned about him. If nothing else,

729
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: Keno's characters a little all over the place. Although I

730
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: did like that he was given a fully realized arc.

731
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: I wish April had had a similar treatment by the movie. Sure. Also,

732
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: when I watched this movie for the first time to

733
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: prep for this episode, I watched it with a friend

734
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: of the cast, Sammy Junio, and I was also talking

735
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: about this movie with another friend and they both said

736
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, which is that Keino in this

737
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: movie again played by Ernie rays Jr. Along with Rufio

738
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: from the movie Hook played by Dante Basco, are the

739
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: only two examples of Filipino representation they saw in kids

740
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: media or just like media in general growing up. So like, yeah,

741
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: that is um that's so bleak. And also I'm very

742
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: glad that Ernie Rayes Jr. Is in this part, which

743
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: might a smooth transition to another topic of conversation, which

744
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: is the representation of Asian people and culture in this movie.

745
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Where to begin? Well, um, So, the two main bad

746
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: guys who have names and or in leadership positions, Shredder

747
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: and his like second in command Tatsu, are canonically Japanese

748
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: characters like in the comics, and they get some more backs,

749
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: especially Shredder gets backstory in the first movie. He's from Japan.

750
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: So there's that there are aspects of Japanese culture attributed

751
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: to the good guys, in that the turtles study and

752
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: practice ninjatsu. Splinter grew up in Japan. Also, Splinter speaks

753
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: with a Japanese accent, although I believe that he's voiced

754
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: by an am American puppeteer, and a very controversial one

755
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: at that. Right. And then also these characters, the turtles

756
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and Splint Splinter are not visually Japanese human beings because

757
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: they're turtles and a rat. And yes, you said Jamie.

758
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: The actor who voices Splinter is a black actor named

759
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Clash, who is also the voice actor and puppeteer

760
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: of Elmo. I don't know any other information about him,

761
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: so if you have, I can give you a very

762
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: It's a very uh difficult uh story, but basically, yeah,

763
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: he was a famous puppeteer, one of the most prominent

764
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: black puppeteers in the world. He was Almo for a

765
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: long time and um then was made to resign as

766
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: Almo because there were a lot of allegations of him

767
00:49:51,880 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: having sex with underage teenagers. And so if the uh,

768
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot a huge story. Ten years ago,

769
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: and I feel like no one really talks about it anymore.

770
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: He has since begun working again. There's been a lot

771
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: of conversation around the topic that I have not kept

772
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: up with, but definitely a massive fall from grace from

773
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: a very well respected puppeteer. As far as it's relevant

774
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: to this conversation. Uh, he's not an Asian actor putting

775
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: on a very very stereotypical, you know, trophy accent. Is this?

776
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: Do we know if Splinter also teenage must Ninja Turtles

777
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: are canonically written by two white guys from New England?

778
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: Are they not? Like so the sore of the well

779
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: is poisoned from the very beginning. Uh, don't let two

780
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: white guys from New England do literally anything. How has

781
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: history taught us nothing? Like why would you wall Burgers?

782
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Like are you kidding any bad idea? Never do it? Um?

783
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: But yes, no, I will, I will, Caitlin. I'll send

784
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: you some links to the conversation around Kevin Clash because

785
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I am not an authority in it. But I do

786
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: remember that, uh Splinter, it was it Splinter canonically based

787
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: on Mr Miyagi. That was what I was picking up on.

788
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: But I also don't know, like the timeline of that,

789
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: because the same tropes are present in that character. It

790
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: feels like Karate Kid came out in eighty four and

791
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: the first issue of Teenage Mutant inter Turtles the comic,

792
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: because that was like the source material, the original source

793
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: of everything also was published in Oh my gosh, Carlos

794
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: is holding up? You have it? It was also published

795
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: in eight four. So I think it's just sort of

796
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: like similar concepts happening at the exact same time, not

797
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: one based on the other, I would guess, But so

798
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: two white guys doing the same offensive thing in the

799
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: same calendar year shocking. So in conclusion, most of the

800
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: East Asian human beings again, because you have to uh

801
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: differentiate that from like the rat the people, the Japanese

802
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: characters are bad guys. And in addition to that, there's

803
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: just a lot of stereotypes of East Asian and Japanese

804
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: culture specifically being used. There's also that sort of like

805
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: all East Asian people no martial arts is something that's

806
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: being telegraphed. And then I feel like the Turtles are

807
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: coded white, especially in contrast to the very stereotypical Asian villains,

808
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: so are they They're all voiced by white actors. Is

809
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: that correct as having trouble fact checks? I think that

810
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: for the most part that is true. And then there's

811
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: also so differentiation and who was voice acting some of

812
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: the characters from the first movie to the second one.

813
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: I think two of the voice actors got recast in

814
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Secret of the Ooze. I oh wait, Brian Tocci. The

815
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Brian Tocci voices Leonardo, and I believe he is Japanese, right, Okay,

816
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: So IMDb is tricky because it's like this actor as Leonardo,

817
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: but like in the suit, and then it's this different

818
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: actor as Leonardo as the voice. So it's like I'm

819
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out all this. I was just thinking

820
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: voice because that is right, how their personalities are telegraphed, right,

821
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: No disrespect to the to the performers. I would not

822
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: want to do that job. Yeah, the voice actors are

823
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: primarily white, and with the exception I believe of Brian

824
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: Tocci who voices Leonardo, right, and Kevin Clash, who is

825
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: a black actor but doing an offensive Asian right, I said,

826
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: my head hurts. So there's a lot going on the

827
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: movie stereotypes and demonizes Asian people in a very harmful way.

828
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: It's borrowing elements from Japanese culture like ninjatsu and basically

829
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: saying like, when the white coated characters do it, it's

830
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: good and it saves the day, but when the Japanese

831
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: characters do this thing from their own culture, it's bad.

832
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of fucory happening there, and they're

833
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: sort of bringing in lots of white youth to be

834
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: the Foot clan, and so across both movies, a lot

835
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: of the Foot are drawn from um runaways in New

836
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: York City, and so one would expect there to be

837
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: more diversity, especially along gender lines in the Foot, given

838
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: that a good number of runaways are girls there across

839
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: all races, all sexualities, but it is a very kind

840
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: of prototypical, largely white mass and so you've got these

841
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Asian bad guys seducing these young white kids into lives

842
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: of crime and deviants in both movies, more clearly set

843
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: up in the first one, but the sort of trails

844
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: are well established in the second one, right, And and

845
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: it is so and it's this like t MNT was

846
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: certainly not happening in a void where I feel like

847
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: American culture in general was very permissive and actively encouraging

848
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: these sorts of huge, glossed over generalizations about East Asian

849
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: culture to happen throughout the eighties and nineties and into now.

850
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: But I feel like it was especially popular around this

851
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: time and largely written, directed, and acted by white guys. Yeah.

852
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: I also I thought, I don't even know how I

853
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: feel Toka and Raised are. I mean, they're just their babies,

854
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: but they're voiced by the guy who did Scooby Doo,

855
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: which I was like, I just love I hope. I

856
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: don't know anything about his politics or anything like that,

857
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: but I just love Frank Welker, who's like still alive.

858
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: He is in his seventies, like started doing I think

859
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: we've talked about him on the show before, because he's

860
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: the voice of literally everything famous ever. He started doing

861
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: voices when he was like in his early twenties, and

862
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: he's been every famous cartoon character that isn't played by

863
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: like Tom Kenny, you know, like he's he's literally Scooby

864
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: Doo anyways, He's Garage are Scooby Doo episode, He's everyone

865
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: He's sorry, okay, sorry, I just my Frank Welker fandom

866
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: popped out, and then to find out. He's also Toka

867
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: and raisar. I mean, he's the alpha bollina of the

868
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: vocal cords. So versatile, so versatile, he can be dogs

869
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: and alligators. He's a snapping turtle and a wolf range

870
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: the rage. Okay, So another thing along these lines is

871
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: the April O'Neill character, And there's some controversy around this

872
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: because of some kind of ambiguity, but she is thought

873
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: by many to have originally been in the comics a

874
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: black woman, which is something that is difficult to discern

875
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: because the interiors of the comic books are black and white.

876
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: But on the cover of I think like the eleventh

877
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: issue of the comic depicts April O'Neill as a light

878
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: skinned woman of color with black curly hair. But then

879
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: when that issue was reprinted later, she then appears as

880
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: a white woman with red hair. So people were like,

881
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: this character is being whitewashed, because this happened in eighty

882
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: six when this was reprinted, I believe so. When asked

883
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: about this by the co creators, Kevin Eastman said that

884
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: April was quote originally created as an Asian character. In

885
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: Pete's notes, referring to Peter Laird, the other creator, so

886
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: originally created as an Asian character in Pete's notes, but

887
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: named after an African American woman I once knew. And

888
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: then Peter Laird says, it depends on which co creator

889
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of the T M N T you ask. If you

890
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: ask me, I always saw April O'Neil as white. If

891
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: you ask Kevin, I suspect he would say, as he

892
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: has in a number of interviews, that she was of

893
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: mixed race, much like his former girlfriend April. So say less. Oh, okay, okay,

894
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: So we have so Carlos is showing us an image

895
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: from what is this from? Exactly? So? This is from

896
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: a colorized version of the graphic novel that compiled the

897
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: original issues together in color. So I can post this

898
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: and give you the information you have Teenage Mutant Ninja

899
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: Turtles Book two, first graphic novel, number ten UM copyright

900
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: ven Mirage Comics. So the originals were like this, and

901
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: then they did uh colored issue um full color deluxe format.

902
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: The graphic novel became an instant bestseller. UM got it.

903
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: So the image you just showed us depicts April O'Neil

904
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: as a light skinned black woman. But then if you

905
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: look at the first uh so each version of her

906
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: is different, so she looks more kind of like the

907
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: character from this movie that we're discussing here, um also

908
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: sort of mixed. And then you have her again looking

909
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: again very different, but more sort of the image of

910
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: April O'Neal that we've come to sort of know an expense. Yes,

911
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: so I don't know much about the history of teenage

912
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: Mutant Ninja Turtles, but I do know quite a bit

913
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: about the history of women in comics, and this is

914
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: something that comes up again and again and again in

915
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: the history of comics of characters that were originally black

916
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: women later being whitewashed once the franchise becomes popular. I

917
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: believe a similar thing happened to Betty Boop way back

918
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: in the day. And this is and I think in

919
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: the case of Betty Boob and April O'Neil, it's a

920
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: little complicated by the fact that the character from the

921
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: Jump was heavily sexualized, which is something that affects women

922
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: of color in all areas, but but in you know,

923
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: certainly an animation as well, and April O'Neil and Betty

924
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: Boop are too heavily sexualized and eventually whitewashed characters. It's

925
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: just it's so frustrating that and and you know, and

926
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: who are who is at the top of those comics.

927
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: It's always white black men. So it's just it's really

928
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: just continued frustrating pattern. I didn't realize that it happened

929
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: in this case as well. And then you know, of course,

930
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: in this era and in all eras before, when black

931
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: women were working in animation, they were underpaid, unacknowledged, or

932
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: never hired. And then as it you know, pertains to

933
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: right now, even you know, black women who were very

934
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: successful in animation are completely erased from its history and

935
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: you don't learn that much about them. Sorry that was

936
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: a little ac cast side rant. But if anyone wants

937
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: to learn about in an amazing historical and by that

938
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean she she's dead, uh, an amazing black woman

939
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: who blazed so many trails in cartooning. Jackie ORMs is

940
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: so awesome and I recommend everyone learn more about her.

941
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: That's so frustrating. I didn't know that. Now I'm all

942
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: piste off. Yeah, that is something. And of course in

943
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: this movie, she is a white character played by a

944
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: white actor, and I think I would guess and Carlos,

945
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: you might you probably know more about this than me.

946
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: But after that, maybe, like first string of issues in

947
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: the comics, she was only depicted as a white woman

948
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: from then on, like in the animated series. I don't

949
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: know if she was ever made into an action figure.

950
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember having an April O'Neill action figure, but

951
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: like much the same way that when like the Newest

952
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Star Wars trilogy came out, and like Ray was the

953
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: protagonist of those movies, and like those toy companies were like, well,

954
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: why would we have an action figure of Ray because

955
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: she's a woman, you know. Like again I'm kind of

956
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: speculating here, but like I don't know if they were

957
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: proble action figures. All this to say that most of

958
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: the renditions of her post those like kind of original

959
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: string of issues of the comic depict her as a

960
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: white woman. And I would say that the Turtles are also,

961
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: again I think, perceived as like white coated characters even

962
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: though they're turtles, because I think in at least of

963
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: the um feature films post this trilogy, all of the

964
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: voice actors who voiced the Turtle characters are all white actors,

965
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: cementing that kind of coding. Well, and it's another I

966
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: am saying that there were some April action figures, but

967
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's like again further complicated by the

968
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: fact that she's by the way her characters written, she's

969
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: not included in the action. So it's like, oh, well,

970
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: why would we make an action figure for someone who

971
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: is canonically excluded from all action. It's and and also

972
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: that like the I don't know, the trope of like

973
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: the sexy woman journalist felt also very prevalent during this time,

974
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: and an animation in particular, where again it's just like

975
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: such a it's not even a half step, it's whatever

976
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: two step, because it's like, well, but she has a job.

977
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, she's not married. But it's like, but she's

978
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: not there to do journalism, you know, like she's not

979
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: there to do what you're saying she's there to do.

980
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: And so oh, I'm pretty sure the cartoon up until

981
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: maybe uh, this movie a little bit, and the revivals

982
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: with the cartoons on Nickelodeon, I think most people when

983
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: they think April O'Neil, they think the yellow jump suit

984
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: from her from the cartoon in seven um which white women.

985
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: That's where um a lot of the action figures sort

986
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: of began was based off of the show, so there's

987
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: like the van they had and all of them with

988
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: their their tools and toys. I'm not sure how much

989
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: she was involved in the show, because I don't it's

990
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: been right. I know, I don't remember it either eighty

991
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: four years. Eighty four years and I can still hear

992
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: the original commercial, so it's definitely ingrained that, like she's

993
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: a redhead, she wears the yellow jacket, which is why

994
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: I think some people were reticent with Um. Aside from

995
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: like the sexism that we love to throw up, Megan

996
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: Fox Um then and now to a certain degree was

997
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: just like, oh, she's not the right fit for the character,

998
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: Like she could be a badass and do badass things.

999
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: Why why is she not a good fit? Can she

1000
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: stand in front of a mic and talking to it? Yeah?

1001
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: I think she could took the job, especially given the

1002
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: material that she's given to work with UM in this film.

1003
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember the recent one to comment or people

1004
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: saying like Megan Fox is like too sexy four yes,

1005
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: the April okay, which is like, oh my god. The

1006
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: standard that is also saying it in the way that

1007
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: It's like I I went back to read some of

1008
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: the coverage from and it made me want to be

1009
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, this is like

1010
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: not even ten years ago, and this you could just write.

1011
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: You could just write this down. Yeah. The tone of

1012
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: all of that reporting was very like, you know, making

1013
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: it seem like it was Megan Fox's fault that she

1014
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: was framed and written in the way that she was

1015
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: when it's like Megan Fox, by all accounts, was really

1016
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: into teenage mutant Ninja Turtles and really liked like nerdy stuff,

1017
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: liked Transformers, and it's like, so she's she's coming to

1018
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: the project from an honest place and it's the fucking

1019
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: culture that treats her the way it does. But all

1020
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: of the coverage was like Megan Fox ruins this movie

1021
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: and she was, you know, nominated for Razzies and like

1022
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: just all that ship that. It's just like, uh, she

1023
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: was doing all she could was what she was given,

1024
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: and anytime she said anything about it, she would get fired,

1025
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: Like Steven Spielberg fired her for insulting my Kyl Bay,

1026
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: the most insultable person of all time. It's just oh yeah, yeah,

1027
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: well that is terrible. Does anyone have any other thoughts

1028
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: about the movie. I want a spinoff series for April

1029
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: O'Neil where she can really get into the New York City.

1030
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: I want a version that is like April O'Neil with

1031
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: the Turtles as her like investigative assistance, and they're busting

1032
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: ship wide open, and she's delegating to them and she's

1033
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: training them to be turtle journalists, turtalists, turtle lists, and

1034
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: they and they solve the environmental crisis and save the world.

1035
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: That's the rearranged pieces I want from this. Oh my goodness.

1036
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's corruption in the police department

1037
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: in city Hall that is right, right for the picking

1038
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: right the turtles and their access the turtles can Yeah,

1039
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: they can break into anything. They can get her the

1040
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: information she needs. And then she she cracks it wide

1041
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: open and the NYPD is abolished, right, And that's how

1042
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: it ends. I love this. Yes, they're defunded completely. They

1043
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: have so much fucking money, so much money, too much money.

1044
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: It's on the case. Um. One last question, which turtle

1045
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: do you most identify with? Carlos? You you start, I

1046
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 1: was hoping this would be a question because I was like,

1047
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: who do I think Caitlin and Jamie are? And I

1048
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: was like, and who am I? Yeah? Who do you

1049
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 1: think you are? As a teenager? I was definitely Raphael.

1050
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: I had a lot of anger issues that I had

1051
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:50,879
Speaker 1: to process and work through. I'm better now. I recommend

1052
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: it to my students. I'm like, you should go to therapy,

1053
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: It's good for you. Um. Probably Leonardo with like a

1054
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: bit of an a Tello because I do have a

1055
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: pH d um and he's like become the nerd element

1056
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: of the Yes. Yeah, so probably a bit of Leo,

1057
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: a bit of Donatum, Jamie. Any thoughts, I have no

1058
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: idea you guys are? You guys are gonna have to

1059
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: tell me? Okay, oh, part of me wants to say

1060
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: Michael Angelo. But I also identify with michel Angelo because

1061
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of movie references and he loves movies.

1062
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: But then there's also Rafael. I don't know. I love

1063
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: his hard his hard shell, if you will, his uh,

1064
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: his hardened exterior. You know, he's got an attitude problem,

1065
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: but I kind of admire it. So I don't know.

1066
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm Rafael and Jamie you're Michelangelo. Okay. I'm on

1067
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: a media dot com article I have not vetted, but

1068
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: they're saying that Michelangelo is Ringo Star, which is always

1069
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: what I'm going for. I love that well. I did

1070
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 1: a lot of uh. I had to think very carefully

1071
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 1: about which character mapped onto which sex in the City character. Um,

1072
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: Carrie is Leonardo because they're both like the leaders of

1073
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,480
Speaker 1: the group. Who's a question mark. Raphael is Miranda, Michaelangelo

1074
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: is Samantha because they're both the horniest ones. And then

1075
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: Charlotte is Donna Tello because they're kind of I don't

1076
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,440
Speaker 1: know what is Charlotte's personality besides being boring the George

1077
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: no offense. Wow, okay, we don't have time. We don't

1078
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: have time. Charlotte's complicated. I was definitely going to give

1079
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: michael Angelo to both of you a bit, but I

1080
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: was also going to have done a Tello get a

1081
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: little bit to Jamie because the research that went into

1082
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: my yarn at cast Lolita podcast just like the journalistic

1083
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: brain and just like Jamie's context corners always on point,

1084
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: like um sort of very intellectual in a really fun way,

1085
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: sort of the michael Angelo of it. And then I

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01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: was going to say Leonardo for you because you're sort

1087
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: of like the leader. You sort of in charge running

1088
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: the show for me. Oh my gosh, you have shorter

1089
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: hair than me. So it follows the rule of the

1090
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: baldest baldest woman in charge. It's been a while since

1091
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: I've heard that one. No, Unfortunately, you can't really apply

1092
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: it to this series because you need to have two

1093
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: women for the rule to even come into operation. The

1094
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: baldest turtle is also not in charge because they're all

1095
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: equal amounts of They're all how many nipples does a

1096
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: turtle have? Turtle facts with Caitlin and they answered zero

1097
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: because they're reptiles. Oh, I was once applying a single

1098
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: micro second of thought. That makes a lot of sense. Um,

1099
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: does this movie pass the factel test? No? No, no,

1100
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: hard No. There's no women for her to talk to

1101
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: except for that one woman at the club who gets

1102
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 1: um kind of held hostage by Shredder for two seconds,

1103
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: and her neighbor who she doesn't talk to in the

1104
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: beginning because she's too busy being engaged with by her

1105
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: boyfriend husband and he like takes her keys to let

1106
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: her in the building. It's like, I think she would

1107
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: have gotten it together, like she would have been five. Right,

1108
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the only other woman in this

1109
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: story with a speaking role, and she's only on screen

1110
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: for thirty seconds and she doesn't talk to April. Yeah,

1111
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't pass the Bactel test. What about our nipple

1112
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: scale though zero to five nipples. Based on examining the

1113
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: movie through an intersectional feminist lens, I would give this

1114
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 1: a half nipple because it, I guess arguably it treats

1115
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: the one woman in the entire story better than she

1116
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: was treated one year earlier in the first movie. But

1117
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: it's not as though that improvement is very significant because

1118
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 1: it still does not give her really any narrative bearing

1119
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: on the plot, and she could just be replaced by

1120
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: her own apartment and because they really only so that's

1121
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 1: a big bummer. But I like her as a character,

1122
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: the fact that she like stands up to the chief

1123
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: of police, she stands up to her boss, she stands

1124
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: up to her boss in the first movie too. She's

1125
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: not afraid to speak out and advocate for herself, and

1126
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: she's like strong and empowered in that way. Unfortunately, it

1127
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: doesn't really have much impact on the larger narrative. But

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: I think she used a character to be admired if

1129
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: you just like isolate certain aspects of her character. So

1130
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: that's cool, But between like her very minimal actual involvement

1131
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: in the story, and the way this movie demonizes and

1132
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: stereotypes Japanese characters is despicable. So half nipple and I'll

1133
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: give the nipple to Toka and Raiser when they get

1134
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: turned back into their little animals, they're just baby their babies. Wait, no,

1135
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: they get an honorable mention. But my half nipple goes

1136
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: to Ninja rap the song and dance, so that's fair

1137
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: Ninja Rap. And I'm like, and you're telling me he

1138
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: improvised this if there's three words in this song, because

1139
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: the scene goes on for a while. That sequence goes

1140
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: on for like probably six minutes or so, and Vanilla

1141
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: Ice is singing the whole time, and if you really

1142
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: pay attention, he's just repeating the lyrics over and over again. Yeah. Yeah, well,

1143
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean that that was I think

1144
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: about where his skills tapped out. Um, so yeah, half nipples.

1145
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: Vanilla Ice is Ninja Rap. I'm also going to go

1146
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: with a half nipple for all the reasons you described, Gailan,

1147
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean and and it was really thank you both

1148
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: for giving me the context of the origins of April.

1149
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: The more I learned about this character, the more I'm like,

1150
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: this is a character that had so much potential and

1151
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: has never been seen through to that potential because it's

1152
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: just the curse of the late twentieth century and five

1153
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,839
Speaker 1: trillion white guys being in control of how she's perceived.

1154
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: But like on her face, such a fascinating character that

1155
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: could have brought more diversity to the series, and then

1156
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: they actively chose not to do it. Always really frustrating.

1157
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: The treatment of East Asian culture is so just atrocious

1158
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: and also very on par It feels like with how

1159
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: East Asian culture was treated, I mean, I don't want

1160
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: to like it's you can't even really specifically pull T,

1161
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: M and T as especially bad, like this was just

1162
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: how Western culture treated East Asian characters at this time. Um,

1163
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk to about it,

1164
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: but there was a great essay I read in sci

1165
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: Fi Wire that came out, I believe just last year

1166
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: by a writer named Ariel Dean who talked about like T,

1167
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: M and T being kind of as close as they

1168
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: could find to East Asian representation when they were growing

1169
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: up in the nineties and how frustrating that was, but

1170
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 1: also how it formed a strong connection with the characters,

1171
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: and how that you know, it's a pop culture is

1172
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. It's very complicated, weird um, and then you

1173
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: have the babies and I'm laughing, and then you have

1174
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: they do flips and I'm laughing, and so it's hard.

1175
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: But as far as our scale goes half nipple for

1176
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: April being there and not being completely abused by the movie,

1177
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: but only because she's not in it. So uh, half

1178
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: a nipple and I will give it to Frank Walker.

1179
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: All right, Scooby Doo, you do, Scooby Doo, Carlos, what

1180
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: about you? This is tough. I was like on the

1181
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: Caitlin's rampameter. I know I'm going to give it ten stars.

1182
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: But the nipple scale, the nipple skill is hard. Story

1183
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: of our lives. We can't give this film credit for

1184
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: the April O'Neil character, but I know in like the

1185
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: cartoons and in other iterations more currently, she is often

1186
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: aged down, so she's like a teenager um sort of

1187
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: still doing investigative stuff and is more active, at least

1188
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: in the Nickelodeon show. Um, so the character is treated

1189
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 1: better in other UM properties under this sort of umbrella,

1190
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: which is great, but we cannot give this movie for that. UM.

1191
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: Like you said, with East Asian representations not great like

1192
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 1: the whole nineties. I was thinking about Power Rangers a

1193
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: lot during our conversation today. I'm sort of doing similar things,

1194
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: sort of just copy pasting and then recasting mostly white

1195
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: characters and actors and mostly white city. Um. Sort of

1196
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: that piece the fathers and sons of it all. I

1197
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: was waiting for, oh my gosh to talk about that,

1198
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: but wait a minute, there's the whole splinters always like

1199
01:18:55,439 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: my son's and we're like, Okay, you're totally right. The

1200
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: father the movie, even TMNT is about fathers and it's

1201
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: about sons. It just makes use sick enough. We get it.

1202
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: It's hard, which makes it worse because I watched the

1203
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: first one and I'm like, we don't touch April's trauma

1204
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: of losing her like apartment, her dad's store that she

1205
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: kept opening his memory, like, none of her characterization gets

1206
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: to carry over into the next one other than she

1207
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: has money and a better paying job. I think I'm

1208
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: talking myself into a lower number of Now I think

1209
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one, um, like Sammy and your other friends.

1210
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: And in terms of Filipino representation, um, it's not the best,

1211
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: but it was something this was really sort of formative

1212
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: looking back on like PhD representation, what what because of

1213
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: the professor which he would just be called doctor in

1214
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: this research place because it's not a university. But that

1215
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: is another conversation. I'm gonna stop talking. I'm gonna say

1216
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 1: one nipple for all the reasons you said, but giving

1217
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: it a little extra for Filipino representation, um, yeah. Which also,

1218
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: like it makes the representation of the bad guys a

1219
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: little more complicated because you also have Keno. So it's

1220
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: not as though every Asian character is a bad guy

1221
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: because also Splinter is like canonically Japanese. But like there's

1222
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: still the optics of a lot of it is still

1223
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: like really messed up. So it's complicated. But anyway, it's

1224
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: also really more complicated in the third one, which we

1225
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't watch, don't they travel back in time? In the

1226
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: famous and famous third movie of a trilogy fashion the

1227
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: character's time travel and yet feudal Japan. Why is that

1228
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: a thing? April goes and then they have to go

1229
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: rescue her from the past. I do that is fascinating

1230
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: because it's like the first movie is the first movie,

1231
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: the second movie is the first movie, a second time

1232
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: the third movie they can time travel this. I feel

1233
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: like you could think of ten movie franchises where this

1234
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: is the case. That is so wild. I've never thought

1235
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: about that before. So men in Black three, it happens

1236
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: evil dead any time travels in the third movie. Yeah,

1237
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: in the third Harry Potter book and movie is the

1238
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: only one that they have to travel. Yes, and it's

1239
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: the only one that there's time travel wild. Why is

1240
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 1: that they never do that in the Series of Unfortunate Events?

1241
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: They're too busy rehash in the first book over and over.

1242
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: I know there's at least like two or three other examples,

1243
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: So listeners, if you have examples, throw them at us.

1244
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is this is the new This is

1245
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: the new Leo in not sorry, not that Leonardo, not

1246
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: Turtle Leonardo. We have to differentiate. It's the new Leonardo DiCaprio.

1247
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: Enough a body of water where cloth? Yes, yes, so

1248
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: oh boy. Anyway, Carlos, thank you so much for joining us.

1249
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:18,520
Speaker 1: It's been a treat. It's been a slice of pizza. Cowabunga, Calabunga,

1250
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: very Mary, Cowabunka to you, Carlos, thank you so much

1251
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: for joining us my Catholic upbringing. When you said cola

1252
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Speaker 1: bunka to you, I was like and also with you,

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Speaker 1: but they'll thank you for having me. This was great.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, come back anytime. Where can people check

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Speaker 1: out your stuff? Follow you on social media, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So I am Carlos Creates on Instagram. Um, I'm also

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Speaker 1: um one of the three co hosts at play dot

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Speaker 1: Hype dot Dialogue on Instagram, and I am revamping my

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Speaker 1: professional website to be both part academic and part consultant creative. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's Carlos m Camacho dot net. But it is

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Speaker 1: a work in progress. Sure aren't we all? You know? Cow?

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Speaker 1: You can follow us on Twitter and Instagram at becktel Cast.

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Speaker 1: You can go to patreon dot com slash pecktel Cast

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Speaker 1: and subscribe to our patron ak Matreon where we do

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Speaker 1: to bonus episodes every month, and then you'll also have

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Speaker 1: access to our entire back catalog, which is over one

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Speaker 1: hundred bonus episodes. And um, we always forget to say this,

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Speaker 1: but why don't you, um, you know, like us and

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Speaker 1: give us a little you know, five star five nipple review.

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Speaker 1: I love her, You're like, we never say this, but

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Speaker 1: why don't you like? You like us? Being like the

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Speaker 1: verb where you like click a like button, but also

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Speaker 1: why don't you like us? But also why don't you

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Speaker 1: like us? Why do we ever heard we're so cool?

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Speaker 1: They say cow a bunga, But yeah, write us a

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Speaker 1: five nipple review on you know, Apple podcasts or whatever

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Speaker 1: you're listening platform is, and you can check out our

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Speaker 1: merch at t public dot com. Slash the back dol

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Speaker 1: cast if you are so inclined. Springs coming. Carlos is

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Speaker 1: wearing a queer icon T shirt. Why aren't you get

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Speaker 1: it together? Get it together, Jamie. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: should also briefly just touch on the shirt that you're wearing.

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Speaker 1: I am wearing I don't even know if it's currently

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Speaker 1: it might be, it might be rare at this point,

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Speaker 1: but I'm wearing a shirt that I co designed with

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Speaker 1: super Yocky, who advertises on the show we love them

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Speaker 1: so much um and it says Alfred Molina could have

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Speaker 1: done it, which is first of all a true David

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Speaker 1: and also second of all, today my boss was like

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Speaker 1: done what And I was like everything. Alfred Molina could

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Speaker 1: have been every Ninja Turtle, both voice wise and all

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Speaker 1: of the stunts. Amen, Baby Cowabunga to that Cowabunga ol

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Speaker 1: from Molina. Bye,