1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: We have another coaching vacancy in the NFL. Buffalo Bills 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: have fired Sean McDermott. Stat of the Day brought to 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: you by Pennini America, the official trading cards of The 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. You know, we talk about coaches sometimes 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: coaching for their jobs, and it felt like that, it 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: felt like that last year was Sean McDermott and this 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: is where it's nine years and you go, is that 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: the guy? Like how many guys can get you over 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: the top? Andy Reid for a long time in Philadelphia, Hey, 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: he can get you there. He can't get you over 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: the top until he got to Kansas City and then 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: he could put you over the top. But there are 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: certain coaches that I think we give far more credit to, 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: like Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh. Could be Hall of 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: Fame coaches, could be Can they get you over the top? 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Are they just really really good regular season head coaches? 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Because it's a different DNA when you get to the postseason, 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: Like what do you got, who are you? What are 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: you going to do? Clock management, how you get your 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: team ready? 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 3: Like just so many. 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: Things that stuff that maybe is not tangible where you think, 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: but you have, you know, a team that goes out 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: there and wins when maybe they're not supposed to win, 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: or holds on comes up with a play when they 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: need to and Buffalo never did that. And when you 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: think about this, the New York Jets have been in 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: more AFC title games than the Buffalo Bills have in 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: the last thirty years. Brought to you by Panadian America, 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: the Official Trading Cards of the Dan Patrick Show. I 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: always think about this, like John Harball, if you make 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: the kick and you go into the postseason, does he 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: still get fired? And I think if they didn't get 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: to the title game, he was going to get fired. 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: Now I don't have any information on that. That was 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: just a gut feeling that I had. Did the Bills 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: make their mind up about Sean McDermott now or last week? 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Did it matter what was going to happen? What if 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: they won the game then you go to the AFC 42 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: Title game? What if you go to the Super Bowl? 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: So you're coaching for your job and Sean McDermott paid 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: the price nine years. We'll talk to Steve Tasker, the 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills announcer, he'll join us coming up in an 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: hour from now, Albert Breer the Monday Morning quarterback. Following 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: all the movers and shakers, And I did get information 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: on this from somebody who said there is probably at 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: least one coach who is coaching for his job in 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: the postseason. Then we were talking about all the vacancies there, 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: and I wondered, you know, if Matt Lafleur is not 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: re signed extended in Green Bay, would John Harbaught have 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: taken that job? If Matt Lafleur doesn't stay in Green Bay, 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: does he go to Pittsburgh? Is Mike McCarthy in the 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: mix in Pittsburgh a Pittsburgh guy? What if Buffalo opens 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: up because you got Josh Allen there? When you think 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: about Lamar Jackson, two time MVP, Josh Allen, the reigning MVP, 58 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: and they will have new head coaches next year. Robert 59 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: Salah is gonna maybe get a run in Baltimore here, 60 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator for the forty nine ers, might be 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: coming back to be a head coach. And once again, 62 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: there's a lot of talk, there's so many openings, Who's 63 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: going where? And then it feels like there's a domino 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: effect happening. You know when Baltimore and now Buffalo is open. 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: You know, Stefanski's going to Atlanta hardball with the Giants. 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on. And this is the NFL. 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: But did anybody know think that Buffalo was going to 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: come open? 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: Now? 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: I know what people we're going to say, what about 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin? I can only tell you what I was 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: told last week that Mike there is no guarantee he 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: comes back to coaching, and there's no guarantee he does TV. 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: But there's a two year window here he doesn't. If 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: he goes someplace, then you have to give a compensation 76 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: to the Steelers. And you know he knows that, so 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: does the team that would sign him, and so did 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: the Steelers. 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They complete the season a miracle season. 98 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: And there was a website that said the odds for 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: Indiana to win the national title. At the start of 100 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: the year they were plus ten thousand, Fernando Mendoza to 101 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: win the Heisman plus five thousand. Their win total over 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: under eight and a half. And here they are with 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: a magical season and give credit to a lot of people. Here, 104 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti, you gotta start with him. Imagine you're at 105 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: Alabama and you're working with Nick Saban and you say 106 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: to Nick Saban, coach, I want to leave, I want 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: to be a head coach. And you go, okay, where 108 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: are you going? And he says, I'm going to Iu 109 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: Pui And Nick Saban says, why do you want to 110 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: do that? He wanted to be a head coach. He 111 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: proved to be successful there. Elon James Madison, I mean, 112 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: this isn't the normal route to become a national champion, 113 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: but there's something about him and he doesn't go after 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: five star recruits or four star recruits because he couldn't 115 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: because five stars and four stars aren't going to Indiana. 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: If you're getting three stars, it's like WHOA, all right, 117 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: I like this. He's the kind of guy that goes 118 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: after two stars and by the time he's done coaching 119 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: them up, they're four and five stars. So that's a 120 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: huge credit to him. Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman Trophy winner, 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: did what you want a Heisman Trophy winner to do, 122 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: come up big when he needed to, and he did that. 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: As for Miami, it's going to overlooked because I think 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 2: we looked at Miami like historically great program, while Indiana 125 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: historically a bad program. But Miami and Mario Christobal did 126 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: a great job this year to make the U relevant again, 127 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: and they had their opportunities. I just didn't understand the 128 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: coaching philosophy of the first half, the offensive philosophy. They 129 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: had sixty nine yards of total offense in the first 130 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: half and they were in the game. They just kept 131 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: running the ball. I got Malachai Tony, I want the 132 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: ball in his hands twenty times. I just got to 133 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 2: whatever it is, there's a chance that he could break. 134 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: Every time he got the ball. You go, oh, you 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: got to hold your breath if you're Indiana. But I 136 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: didn't understand unless they were saying, we don't want Carson 137 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: Beck to try to win this game. You're trying to 138 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: control the clock a little bit, maybe, but they just 139 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: kept running it up, running it up the middle, and 140 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: then you end up with sixty nine yards of total offense. 141 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: Second half half they opened it up a little bit 142 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: and Carson Beck had a couple of plays there in 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: the end, ended up with an interception. But give credit 144 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: to Indiana. We've talked about this for the last six weeks, 145 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: just how big this story is, and growing up in 146 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: the Midwest and growing up in Ohio. If you were 147 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: going to schedule a school for homecoming where you knew 148 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: you were going to win, or parents weekend, Indiana would 149 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: be tops on your list. And I couldn't help but 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: think of one person last night when this game ended, 151 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: and I thought Elite Corso, because coach Corso was there 152 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: at Indiana and did a really good job. You're going 153 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: against Ohio State in Michigan, and here he is in 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: failing health but a big contributor to college football college 155 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: game Day, and here he gets to witness Indiana winning 156 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: the national championship in football. So the big play here 157 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: is the interception by Indiana to seal the national championship. 158 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: Here's the statback Beck looks throws it down the field 159 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: and it is in intercepted by Indiana. 160 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 6: WHOA what a play. 161 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 7: Then it is Jamari Shark who comes up with the 162 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 7: beg Jamari Sharp put what a play. 163 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: For Indiana and Indiana has gonna. 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: Win this thing. And sharp is from Miami comes up 165 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: with the interception. Fernando Mendoza from Miami, and here is 166 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: his touchdown. Run, gotta get to the eighth. 167 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 7: He's got takeoff on run. Mendoza, please his wife first 168 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 7: and go diving todyan zone. Touchdowns where you want my 169 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 7: husband trophy. 170 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: Chris Baller with the call because you're watching and you go, okay, 171 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: he got the first down and then he just kept 172 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: going and then got the touchdown. But Miami was resilient 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: they kept coming back, and Indiana knew that they weren't 174 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: blowing this team out. Home game for Miami, but it 175 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: was probably felt like a home game for Indiana. There 176 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: were a lot of Hoosiers there. But congratulations, Indiana football 177 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: has won a national championship. 178 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 8: Dude, you've been doing this a long time. You just 179 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 8: uttered that on national radio. 180 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I never ever thought in my lifetime I would 181 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: say something like that, Indiana football has won a national championship. 182 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: By the way, DraftKings just sent me the title odds 183 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: for next year, Indiana and Ohio State have the same 184 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: odds plus seven hundred. Then it's Texas and Notre Dame 185 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: plus seven fifty, Oregon, Georgia, LSU, Texas tech A and 186 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: m Alabama and Miami. All right, eight seven seven to 187 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: three DP show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle 188 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: it DP show Tyler sitting by to take your phone calls. 189 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: All right, Seaton poll question for hour one is going 190 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: to be wide. 191 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 9: The Indiana Indiana football national title story is most similar 192 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 9: to is Paul laid out these options? 193 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: Okay? Miracle on Ice. 194 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 9: Twenty sixteen Chicago Cubs, the twenty sixteen Leicester City team 195 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 9: that won the Premier League or nineteen eighty three NC State. 196 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're putting a team on there, not Buster 197 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: Douglas beating Mike Tyson. Uh yeah, okay, because you can, 198 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: you could. I mean the twenty sixteen Cubs worthy of 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: being put in here with this group. 200 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 8: I think futility for one hundred and eight years is 201 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 8: kind of similar to the futility of Indiana football. But 202 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 8: I would say Leicester City, well, yeah, would be the 203 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 8: comp because they were a couple tiers down right Seaton 204 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 8: for years and years and years. 205 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 9: They had only been promoted a year or two before 206 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 9: winning the Premier League. It is a pretty big turnaround, 207 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 9: similar to Indiana. 208 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 10: Yeah. 209 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but somebody did predict that Leicester City did. Hello, 210 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: Hello Leicester. I called him Leicester City to Rebecca Lo. Dan, 211 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: I know Lester, I know. We were at the NBC 212 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: studios and I remember, you know, they were talking Premier 213 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: League and the great host of the Premier League, Rebecca 214 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: Lo and I go, she goes. 215 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: Dan, who do you like? 216 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: Can I go? 217 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: I like Leicester City. It's it's Leicester City. I said 218 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: they're gonna win it this year. Yes, Dodd, I don't 219 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: want to be that. 220 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 10: Guy, but I've kind of been that guy at times 221 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 10: with the show, So I'm just going to say it. 222 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 10: Can we overstate how big Indiana's accomplished? It is in 223 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 10: the history of sports? 224 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: Wait, are you saying that we're overstating Indiana. 225 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 10: I'm saying we're not there yet, but we are on 226 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 10: the road to saying something like that. This in the 227 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,239 Speaker 10: history of anything that's happened on a field or a court. 228 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: Or ice, this is the one. 229 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: Pauli's head's gonna explode here. Yeah, yes, Marvin, I got 230 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: to disagree, Fritzy. This is probably the greatest turnaround in 231 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: the history of American sports. Like the Cubs, the Cubs 232 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: were up and ready to go to the World Series 233 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: in two thousand and three. Indiana wasn't like, Man, we 234 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: were really close to winning the Big Ten in football. 235 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: Never they've always a bottom fier. Besides that one year 236 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: with Antoine Randall l they've never been anything to watch 237 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: yes time. 238 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 10: We also have to distinguish opposite between turnaround and upset. 239 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 10: There's all kinds of words and phrases that could get 240 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 10: garbled with one another. This obviously is a huge turnaround 241 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 10: in two years as opposed to Tyson Douglas where it's 242 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 10: an upset. This wasn't something in the making over a 243 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 10: period of fights or something. 244 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: Like you're right about the turnaround, like when you think 245 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: about turning around in two years. That's the remarkable part. 246 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: Go back over two years ago and look at a 247 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: home game at Indiana Football prior to Kurt signetting like 248 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: they're playing Akron. Didn't they go three times against like 249 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: Kent State or something. 250 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 8: I think it was four against your zips. 251 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: Okay, go back and just get a picture of what 252 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: the attendance was like before Kurt Signetty got there. And look, 253 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: I said it. I'm sure many people did. Coming into 254 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: this year, I wondered who was going to be Indiana 255 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: and it turned out to be Indiana. It's a great story. 256 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: Once again, Indiana football has won the national championship. 257 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: Wow, April fol oh, no, what's today? 258 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: Why are you a BUZZKILTA? 259 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 10: That's terribly I'm usually a pretty positive you don't happy? 260 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 10: Go Look, no, until I got like snarky and wise, 261 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 10: PAULI rubbed off, I'm getting sparky in my old age, 262 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 10: I'm getting very snarky. 263 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: It was never like that back in the day. 264 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: You are a negative guy. 265 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 10: The Indiana call of that touchdown? 266 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: What are you doing this? 267 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: Didn't love that. 268 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 10: It was unfortunate. It's unfortunate. This guy's a legend, he 269 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 10: is a great worcus. Unfortunately he got tricked. 270 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: Into he called. He called like, oh, he's throwing it 271 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: and he's running it. 272 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: He's running it. 273 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 8: It's a touchdown. 274 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: Why why are you doing this? 275 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 10: I was bummed for him because if I was aboard thist, 276 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 10: they're gonna. 277 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Be playing that. 278 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: Really sounds like you're bummed for him. 279 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 10: We're gonna be talking about Indiana forever. We're gonna be 280 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 10: talking about that call forever too. That way they go together. 281 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 8: Yes, but if if you watch that play, when Mendoza 282 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 8: goes back, it's the last thing anyone expected Herbstreet even 283 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 8: broke it down. The safeties are so far back they 284 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 8: like jumped forward and couldn't believe he was even going. 285 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: It was a great play, but the second effort to 286 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: get into the end zone, and uh, you know, I'm curious. 287 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: We got Chase Daniel on and he looks at more 288 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: film than anybody. A former quarterback. Watching Mendoza, I saw, 289 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and say what I said a 290 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, only because a scout told me this. 291 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything great, but he doesn't do anything 292 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: that you bring into question like it it just he's clean, 293 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: but it you know, is he a little more athletic 294 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: then you think? Is his arm a little more, you know, 295 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: a little stronger than you think. Is he a little 296 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: more accurate like he's got a lot of those. He's 297 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: a little more than he's a little more than. All 298 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: I know is what a great representative that he would 299 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: be for any football team. Now that doesn't mean he's 300 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback, but he's going to be the number 301 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: one overall pick. He came up when he needed to. 302 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: He had some big plays when he needed to. But 303 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: we'll talk to Chase Daniel about what he sees because okay, 304 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: they won the national title. This is about a bigger 305 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: picture of what happens next year, you know, when he 306 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: gets to the NFL. Ross Tucker, CBS Sports will join 307 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: us coming up as well. We'll get to your phone calls. Miami, 308 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,239 Speaker 2: they have a head coach. They took the Packers defensive 309 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: coordinator Halfley and the Titans higher Robert Sala. I think 310 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: it's a good situation for Robert Sala in Titan and 311 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: the Titans. His personality didn't do well in New York 312 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: and going to the Titans, I like the job, you know, 313 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: But once again, you have a franchise quarterback. I believe 314 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: you got a lot of cap space more than anybody. Now, 315 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: do you have the right people who will make these 316 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: draft picks and bring in these free agents? That's the key. 317 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: You can have the template here. You got to make 318 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: sure that you're able to fill out that roster in 319 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: the way that allows you to maybe turn this around 320 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: like Carolina did or New England did, some of these 321 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: teams that have three or four wins and then you know, 322 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: next thing you know, you're banging on the door of 323 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs. But so we got a few more coaching 324 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: vacancies here, certainly with Buffalo, the Steelers, Baltimore. Baltimore is 325 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: going to take its time. Somebody told me yesterday, they're 326 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: never in a hurry. They'll treat this the way they 327 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: do the draft, where they're usually at the end of 328 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: the first round and they just they're patient waiting for 329 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: the right person to be their next head coach. So 330 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's one of those. I don't know, 331 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: if it's somebody who's still coaching, I don't know if 332 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: it's a coordinator for you know, one of the final 333 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: four teams might be From what I'm told, I thought 334 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: Robert Sola was getting that job. I thought that he 335 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: would be the number one candidate there. As for the Steelers, 336 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: I think Mike McCarthy is truly in the mix. And 337 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: you know he's a Pittsburgh guy. So multiple reports about 338 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy maybe getting back into the mix as well. 339 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: The Buffalo situation. I know, I get a franchise quarterback, 340 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: but I got I have to go to the AFC 341 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: title game. Like the instant pressure. Now, they're not going 342 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: to get rid of you after the first year, but 343 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: you know, going in, Okay, he got this far. Now. 344 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: Would I have fired Sean McDermott. I would not have 345 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: because I have to know, Okay, who's the next guy 346 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: coming in and how do I know he's going to 347 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: take us to the next level? You know, Mike Tomlin 348 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: stepped down. Would I have fired John Harbaugh? I would 349 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: have because I don't I think there's a disconnect between 350 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Harball and Lamar Jackson ownership, the front all. It feels 351 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: like there's something in play there, Todd Mounkin and the 352 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. It just felt like it was clumsy. The Steelers, 353 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: I get it. I think Tomlin was burnt. I think 354 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: that he is not going to coach, not anytime soon. 355 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll do TV. I think he 356 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: might just chill. All right, we'll take a break. We'll 357 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: settle on our poll question. Phone calls are always welcome. 358 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: Once again, Indiana has won the national championship in football. 359 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: I just double checked. 360 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 361 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 362 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 363 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: listen live. 364 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: Seaton, you got a poll question to start out this 365 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: Thursday morning. 366 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 9: Well, I'm trying to craft one based off of the 367 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 9: Buffalo press conference. All right, I mean, do we keep 368 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 9: it as simple as should owners speak yes or no? 369 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: I loved it. Once again, I'm not a Buffalo Bill's fan. 370 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: I certainly empathize with them of what happened. They lose 371 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: again in heartbreaking fashion, and the owner gets there with 372 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: the GM and all of a sudden back and forth 373 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: and it became good content, is what it did. But 374 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: owners should not get in front of the media, at 375 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: least I wouldn't recommend it. But if you're not really 376 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: a football guy, you know, you're a billionaire and you 377 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: made your money elsewhere, you get in front of the media. 378 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: And normally billionaires don't get in front of the media. 379 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: They are probably wisely told not to do that because 380 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: reporters can be pretty sharp hearing something, seeing something, saying something, 381 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you're going to And 382 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: it felt like we had a little bit of that yesterday. 383 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: I'm still surprised that the owner, Terry Pegoula, said that 384 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: it was his decision to bring in a new coach 385 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: based on the results of the game in Denver. It 386 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: just feels like that's where you need to take a 387 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: couple of days, maybe even a week. Let's just let 388 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: it die down. Yes heartbreaking. You saw Josh Allen crying 389 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: in the locker room, and the owner said, hey, I'm 390 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: kind of basing this off that too. I'm reading the room. 391 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: You know, did we hit the wall? Okay, but it 392 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: just felt strange with that owner and his reasoning. Here 393 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: is the Buffalo Bill's owner. 394 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: I did not fire coach based on a bad officiating decision. 395 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: If I can take you into that locker room, I 396 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: felt like we hit the proverbial playoff wall, year after year, 397 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: thirteen seconds, missfield goals, the catch. I just sensed in 398 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 4: that locker room, like, where do we go from here? 399 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: Okay, but what is Sean mcder have to do with 400 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: that missed field goals? The catch? I just felt like 401 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: he got all the blame. Josh Allen deserves the blame 402 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: at least in this game. Josh Allen plays like Josh Allen. 403 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: We're not having this discussion. The owner did say he 404 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: was asked about what if you won that game, and 405 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: he said, well, I don't deal in hypotheticals, which is interesting, 406 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: But you know, Josh Allen didn't play. Well, that's why 407 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: they lost, not a catch, an interception. It was more 408 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: than that. But am I gonna put that at the 409 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 2: feet of Sean McDermott. That's where I think it's unfair 410 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: if you don't think that he's a big time coach 411 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: and he can't get you to the next level. Okay, 412 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: but don't base it off one game that feels like 413 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: you're reacting and you're not really letting this is set 414 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: in a little bit. Let's just gather here. Did Sean 415 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: mcdermam get a chance to fight for his job after 416 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: that game? Did he get an audience with the owner 417 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: to say, hey, we're really close. Who put the roster together? 418 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: They had a lot of injuries. Everybody has injuries. I mean, 419 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: it just felt like it was a blame game and 420 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: they weren't really blaming the right people here. And then 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: you got into this silly Keon Coleman's conversation there. I mean, 422 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: here is the question. It's not even about Keon Coleman, 423 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Florida State. Uh, here's the 424 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: question and the answer by Brandon being the GM. 425 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 6: How do you answer the fact that you're not given 426 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 6: Josh I've good enough wide receiver? 427 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I interrupt, I'll address the Keon situation. 428 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 4: The coaching staff pushed to draft Kon. I'm not saying 429 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. 430 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice 431 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: of his coaching staff who. 432 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: Felt strongly about the player. 433 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: And he's taken for some reason heat over it and 434 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: not saying a word about it. But I'm here to 435 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 4: tell you the true story. 436 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: Okay, what are you doing? 437 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 4: What are you doing? 438 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: It's not like the guy's an next player. Cam Coleman's 439 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: still on the roster and he was a team player. 440 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: You're the GM. Do you want him or don't you? 441 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: And if you don't want him, you don't go. I'm 442 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: going to be a team player. This should be on you. 443 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: And yes, Keon Coleman, what was his second round pick? 444 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: Everybody loved Keon Coleman. Remember the interview that he had, 445 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 2: and like, oh, they're falling in love with this guy 446 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: and per Now all of a sudden, are we going 447 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 2: to name the coaches who wanted Keon Coleman because Brandon 448 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: Bean didn't? I get just a weird And then the 449 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: owner says, can I interrupt? Uh no, you can't. I mean, 450 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: come on, yeah, see yeah. 451 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 9: The problem one of the problems with this, of the 452 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 9: many is that in modern day teams all have media departments, 453 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 9: and media departments for the teams basically make many documentaries 454 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 9: out of every single draft pick that the team makes. 455 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 9: And it took the internet about two point five seconds 456 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 9: to pull up Brandon Bean's mini documentary on drafting Keon Coleman, 457 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 9: including all of his you know day I'll being like, hey, look, 458 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 9: if our guy is there tomorrow, we're getting Keon Coleman. Okay, 459 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 9: what are we doing with the draft pick? Unless somebody 460 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 9: offers us something crazy, We're getting Keon Coleman. 461 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: That's who we want. And it's Brandon Bean saying that, Well, 462 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: he was just being a team player, like and all 463 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden, this isn't a desirable job, just like 464 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: that would scare me. Now, if you haven't been a 465 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: head coach, you get the opportunity to coach in that 466 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: great city and with that quarterback. Okay, but if you 467 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: said I could have Baltimore or Buffalo, I'm taking Baltimore. 468 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: I trust Baltimore's front office ownership. But man, all of 469 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: a sudden, you're like, wait a minute, here, I want 470 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: to walk into that where the former GM who just 471 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: got promoted but he's still going to be the GM, 472 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: has the ear of the owner. If I'm the coach, 473 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: and you saw this with John Harball, they already have 474 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: their GM in place, Joe Shane John Harball. Let you know, 475 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: John Harball is going to talk to the owner, because 476 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: if you have that GM, chances are the GM is 477 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: spending a whole lot more time with the owner then 478 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: you will be and he'll have his ear. Yeah, PAULI 479 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: going back. 480 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 8: To that cut from the owner of the Bills. I 481 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 8: saw that printed out yesterday when the Bills media is 482 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 8: tweeting it out. It's way worse when you hear the audio. 483 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 8: He's not is quoted, he's not loose. He directly says 484 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 8: we really didn't want this guy, and the coaches push 485 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 8: for it. Now, Keon Coleman has to wear that going 486 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 8: forward OTAs if he doesn't start next year, Josh Allen 487 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 8: has to answer. 488 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: For it, Okay, And what happens when Josh Allen surfaces? 489 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: What's your first question? Did you want Sean McDermott fire? 490 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: Did ownership ask you about Sean mcdermotts? What do you 491 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: think of Keon Coleman? 492 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 493 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 2: Good, I mean, thank you, thank you? Terry? Can I 494 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: interrupt for a second, yeah, oh cra oh craf. How 495 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: silly is that? Also when he says, let me take 496 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: you into the locker room, okay, like, oh now, when 497 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: you say that, that's a trick, you know, sometimes that 498 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: you'll get coaches say, or GM's or owner and let 499 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: me take you in the locker room, and all of 500 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: a sudden you're like, oh, let me sit up in 501 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: my chair. Here, you're going to take us in the 502 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: locker room. I want to know what happened in the 503 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 2: locker Like you're reading the locker room Josh Allen's crying. Okay, 504 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he probably cried in the other playoff 505 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: losses in his career. I'm guessing. So would you see 506 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: guys who were emotional. I'm guessing that happens every year 507 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: when Buffalo bounds out. It was just really strange and 508 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: reactionary in the moment we lost, We're firing him. 509 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: Now. 510 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: Look for the last six weeks I've said it felt 511 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: like there was something there. That's why you know, I 512 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: asked prior to the game, is he coaching for his job? 513 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: I didn't have any information other than a sense that 514 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: there was something going on, and turns out there was. 515 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 516 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 9: Ston I mean, if you go back, though, I'm surprised 517 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 9: that people are as surprised as they are at Sean 518 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 9: McDermott getting fired. But there are plenty of lists going 519 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 9: into the season, even starting at the end of last season. 520 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 9: Coaches that are on the hot seat, if it's a 521 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 9: top five, top seven, whatever, Sean McDermott is is on 522 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 9: a good portion of those. 523 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: If they had lost that game at home, then I 524 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: could see that you would consider firing Sean McDermott, or 525 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: if they lost by two touchdowns. I mean it was 526 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: a coin toss. 527 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 528 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 9: I feel like you know, you had said before, did 529 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 9: he have the ability to defend himself or try to 530 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 9: get his job back? 531 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: I feel like this season was that this was his 532 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: chance to defend himself. First Hour A brought to you 533 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: by the great folks at Dude Wipes switched to life 534 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: changing extra large flushable Dude Wipes. Dude Wipes available at 535 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: Amazon and major retailers nationwide. Dude Wipes best clean pants down. 536 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: All right, So the poll question, are you going to 537 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: be just straightforward with this? 538 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 9: I am as a matter of fact, Dan, Let me 539 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 9: ask you the poll question. Good owners speak at sports 540 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 9: press conferences. Your options are no, hell no, absolutely not 541 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 9: or sure I love it now. I don't want my 542 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 9: owner speaking, and most owners don't speak. When do you 543 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 9: think about it? I mean, Jerry Jones doesn't help his 544 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 9: team when he speaks. He doesn't help his coach when 545 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 9: he speaks. He helps Jerry Jones when Jerry Jones speaks. 546 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 9: Mark Cuban, I thought help the Mavericks. I thought that 547 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 9: he became a great cheerleader. But how many other owners 548 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 9: do you hear in all of sports? I think about it. 549 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: How many owners get in front of a microphone because 550 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: they're probably told not to. You know, Robert Kraft, you know, 551 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: fancies himself as you know, the spokesperson for the NFL, 552 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: Arthur Blank, has done a little bit of that. But 553 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: you know, for the most part, I don't want my 554 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: owners speaking. 555 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Now. 556 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: Did I like it? 557 00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 558 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm in the content business. I hope they have a 559 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: press conference today. 560 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, Paully, I'll go on the other side of this 561 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 8: a little bit. I think owners should be required to 562 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 8: do one press conference a year, and the local reporters 563 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 8: get to ask them fifteen minutes, twenty minutes. 564 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: But you're saying required, Yeah, Terry Pagoula was not required 565 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: to be there exactly. 566 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 8: And I can imagine the PR staff of the Bills 567 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 8: wanting to manage him before it and not getting a 568 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 8: chance to. 569 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 2: This is no. No, this is a guy who has 570 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: all the answers. He's a billionaire. 571 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: Who are you? 572 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: This is my team? You know once he been there 573 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: thirteen years, owns the Sabers. I get it, I get it. 574 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: But you know, there's a lot of people who tell 575 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: you what you want to hear in the building, but 576 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: this is different. These are the reporters who want to 577 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: know we just fired Sean McDermott, who's probably one of 578 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: the top five coaches, how about top ten coaches in 579 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: the NFL before he got fired, probably generally probably generally 580 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: considered top ten. 581 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm seeing a headline here from a Buffalo Bill's 582 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 9: like blog Buffalo Rumblings. Terry Baola is first time taking 583 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 9: questions in more than five years. Reinforces why he doesn't 584 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 9: do that much. Yes, yes, and Buffalo has such a 585 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 9: great PR department. I can only imagine they're gonna go, 586 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 9: oh god, whoa, where are you going. 587 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 8: Mister bla. I'm going up to the podium. 588 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sitting on this one. 589 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: You want to stay in your press box, you want 590 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: to I'm the owner. Let me get out in front 591 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: of this, let me take this one. I got the answers. 592 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: I got it. 593 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, oh dear, yeah, I didn't think we 594 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: would be talking about that, you know today. I thought 595 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: it would be just one of those exit Now, granted 596 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: that there was serious nature about attention attached to it. 597 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: But when the owner shows up, and I thought, okay, 598 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: Randon Bean's going to be able to swat away these questions. 599 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: But when the owner gets there and he wants to 600 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: tell you how smart he is, and he wants to 601 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: promote his general manager, and this is all Sean McDermott, 602 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: and I read the locker room, and I okay, So 603 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: that next coach who comes in, are you going to 604 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: let him ease in? What if you bow out in 605 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: the first round of the playoffs, What if you don't 606 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: make the playoffs? Does this turn off any coaching candidates? 607 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: Because man, you're only as good as the people above you. 608 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: Success starts from above all of these places. I want 609 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: to know who's your owner, who's your GM? How involved 610 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: are they? How smart? Hard all day? What's their resume? 611 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: And yesterday didn't give me a healthy dose of confidence 612 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: if I'm moving forward with this, because now I know 613 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: that GM who got promoted has the owner's ear and 614 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 2: if you're a coach going in there, it's two against 615 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: one and all of a sudden, Hey, my GM didn't 616 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 2: draft that wide receiver who is still on the roster, 617 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 2: and it was he was a team player. 618 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, PAULI, the GM, Brandon Bean is conditioned to this. 619 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 8: He actually looked it up. He went to college for communications. 620 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 8: Terry Pagula went to college for a degree in petroleum 621 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 8: and natural gas engineering. Not a lot of public speaking. 622 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 10: There no no yes, tudd And if you don't refer 623 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 10: to things like play calling or clock management or something 624 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 10: specific to the coach, it feels like that's a situation 625 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 10: where if you're putting it on the coach, you've bet 626 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 10: to cite something or you got to give us something 627 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 10: and just not say the locker room look like they 628 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 10: just hit a wall. 629 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: Well he did. He said I didn't fire him based 630 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: on a bad officiating decision, but he said that we 631 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: hit the playoff wall year after year, thirteen seconds, missed 632 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: field goal, the catch. So I sensed that the locker 633 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: room like where do we go from here? 634 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: And what do we have? 635 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: And that was the basis for my decision. I don't 636 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: know if anybody asked him. Did you have conversation with 637 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: Josh Allen? I mean, that would be one of those 638 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: questions in the moment, I'd like to know, did you 639 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: talk to Josh Allen. I'm going to keep that between us. Yeah, 640 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna care guys. Look, I'm not going to take 641 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: you inside the locker room and share all that. 642 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 643 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 644 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 645 00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: listen live. 646 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: Jay Skursky covers the Buffalo Bills for the Buffalo News 647 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: Beat writer for the Bills, Jay, when did you get 648 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: word that the owner was going to show up at 649 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: the press conference? 650 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 11: That would have been the night before, so that would 651 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 11: have been Tuesday evening, and the release was very generic, 652 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 11: so we did not know whether Terry Paula is going 653 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 11: to take questions. That's something he has not done since 654 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 11: twenty nineteen. So in in many ways, this was kind 655 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 11: of a monumental press conference in the sense of Terry 656 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 11: Pagoula answering questions from the media. 657 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: Okay, but when did you realize that this might go sideways? 658 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 11: Well, if you know the history with Terry Pagoula and 659 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 11: press conferences, you know that, you know that the possibility 660 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 11: is there. He public speaking is not his strong suit. 661 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 11: I think there are a few different reasons that he 662 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 11: does it very rarely. It was obviously the interrupting the 663 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 11: question about Keyon Coleman that it seemed to kind of 664 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 11: get away from from Terry Pagoula. I think that was 665 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 11: definitely the moment where he kind of stepped in it 666 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 11: during the press conference. I'm sure if he could do 667 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 11: it again, he would have taken that moment back. But yeah, 668 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 11: that was That was certainly the moment where it was like, Okay, 669 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 11: this is getting a little hairy here. 670 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 2: But he wasn't even asked about Keon Coleman. 671 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he was not. 672 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 11: Now the question was directed to Brandon Bean and it 673 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 11: was about the wide receiver room in general and support 674 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 11: for Josh Allen. 675 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 3: It was a very fair question. 676 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 11: It was a topic really throughout the season here in Buffalo, 677 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 11: and for the owner to interject himself in that way, 678 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 11: I think really created a mess for his general manager 679 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 11: to try and clean up. 680 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 2: But I'm trying to understand. He said that this was 681 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 2: based on that game the outcome in Denver. I don't know. 682 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: Did he address Josh Allen's role in that game and 683 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: how poor he performed. 684 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 3: He did not know. 685 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 11: I mean he the only mention of Josh Allen that 686 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 11: he made was just how devastated he was in the 687 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 11: locker room after the game. And if you you know 688 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 11: Josh Allen's postgame press conference, you could see it. 689 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: I agree with Pegoula. 690 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 11: It was easily the most emotional, most devastated that I 691 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 11: have seen the quarterback during his time in Buffalo. And listen, 692 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 11: they've had some heartbreaking playoff failures here with Josh Allen. 693 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 11: But the difference in this one, I think in many ways, 694 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 11: and Josh Allen alluded to it, is that the quarterback 695 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 11: feels like he cost his team the game because he 696 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 11: did turn the ball over as much as he did. 697 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 11: Were accustomed to Josh Allen playing terrific football in the playoffs, 698 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 11: even if it doesn't result in a Bill's win. Unfortunately, 699 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 11: in this game for the Bills against the Broncos, Josh 700 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 11: Allen did not do that. 701 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: I wondered, and I said this leading up to the game, 702 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 2: if he was coaching for his job. Turns out that 703 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: he was coaching for his job. Could he have kept 704 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: his job without anything other than a Super Bowl appearance? 705 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 11: I am skeptical of that. I asked Terry Pagoula that question, 706 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 11: that very question yesterday. Had they won and lost in 707 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 11: the AFC Championship Game or lost in the Super Bowl, 708 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 11: would we'll be sitting here today talking about Sean Sean 709 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 11: McDermott being fired. Pagoula said he didn't want to speculate 710 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 11: it speculate on that, but a non answer in that situation, 711 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 11: to me almost reads affirmative. I do think that he 712 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 11: was coaching for his job and anything short of a 713 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 11: Super Bowl this year was going to lead to a change. 714 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 2: Anybody talked to coach McDermott, I have. 715 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 3: Just through text. 716 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 11: He was incredibly gracious, as you would imagine. I thought 717 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 11: the statement that he put out was just pure class, 718 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 11: which is kind of if you've been around Seawan and 719 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 11: know Sean, the way that I do was to be expected, 720 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 11: you know. I think that what's really interesting here, Dan 721 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 11: is that I think a lot of people, over the 722 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 11: past few years and the playoff failures, have sort of 723 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 11: thought that, hey, maybe this is the route that the 724 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 11: Bills need to go. That they need to change, you know, 725 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 11: make a change that Sean McDermott has taken them as 726 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 11: far as that he can. But when that changed was 727 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 11: actually made, the reaction amongst many of the fans has 728 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 11: been overwhelming sadness and sort of you know, feeling for 729 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 11: a guy who wanted nothing more than to bring a 730 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 11: Super Bowl to Buffalo. 731 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: I think the fans probably would may have been a 732 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say joyous, joyous, but if you had 733 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 2: John Harball available, Mike Tomlin's not going to coach, But 734 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: who's coming in and who is that person who takes 735 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: you to the next level? Because if you're walking in, 736 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm expecting that that owner is expecting you to be 737 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 2: the difference here, there is. 738 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 11: An immense amount of pressure on whoever takes this job. 739 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 11: The expectation is win a super Bowl, and win it 740 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 11: in your first year. I did some research on that. 741 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 11: There have been seven coaches in league history of who 742 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 11: have reached the Super Bowl in their first season. 743 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 3: Four of them have won it. 744 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 11: Falling anything short of that is going to be deemed 745 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 11: a failure and is going to be the question is 746 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 11: going to be asked, well, why'd you move on from 747 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 11: Sean mcderman in the first place. If this new guy 748 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 11: can't even get us, you know, to the Super Bowl. 749 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 11: So while the job obviously has its advantages, right coaching 750 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 11: Josh Allen, one of the best players on the planet 751 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 11: makes it makes it an attractive job. It's got a 752 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 11: rabid fan base, It's moving into a new stadium next year. 753 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 11: There are a lot of positives to this job, but 754 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 11: the pressure that it comes with, I think is unlike 755 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 11: any job really in the NFL. 756 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 3: The only maybe fair comparison is the Ravens opening. 757 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 2: Do you think the Bills are going to regret this? 758 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 11: It's a hard question to answer if I had to 759 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 11: answer today, just because of that pressure, and you know 760 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 11: what failure looks like for a new head coach. 761 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 3: I think they very well could. 762 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 11: I do want to point out that it can work out, right, 763 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 11: We've seen changes like this have have been made in 764 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 11: the past, and you know, maybe the best example is 765 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 11: with Peyton Manning and the Broncos when John Elway replaced 766 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 11: John Fox with Gary Kubiak the first season, they go 767 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 11: on and they win it all. So it can work, 768 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 11: but a lot of things have to go right. You 769 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 11: have to nail the head coaching higher and Brandon Bean 770 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 11: has to do a better job building a roster around 771 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 11: Josh Allen. I think that was when we talk about 772 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 11: the fallout of McDermott being fired. A lot of people 773 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 11: looking at this saying they fired the wrong guy because 774 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 11: they don't think there was a championship caliber roster built 775 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 11: around Josh Allen and that falls to Brandon Bean. 776 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. 777 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 2: I thought they overachieved this year. And yes, I know 778 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 2: the window of opportunity was there with the other quarterbacks, 779 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,479 Speaker 2: marquee quarterbacks who didn't make it this far. I'm guess 780 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. Does Josh Allen do an exit interview? 781 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 2: Is he going to be available for the media? 782 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 11: Yeah, that was the first sign that maybe something was 783 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 11: a little bit off. We did not hear from him 784 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 11: on Sunday, the day after the season ended for locker 785 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 11: clean out we always have in the past. We were 786 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 11: told at that time Josh Allen wanted a couple of 787 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 11: days to sort of process the season. Knowing the emotion 788 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 11: that he had Saturday night, I think we all respected 789 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 11: that and understood it. With someone very close to Josh 790 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 11: Allen last night, he expressed confidence in Terry Pegoula and 791 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 11: Brandon Bean moving forward. I do not expect that we 792 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 11: will hear from Josh Allen in a press conference setting 793 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 11: or in a public setting until the Bills hire a 794 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 11: new head coach. 795 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 2: What is your question for Josh Allen? 796 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 3: What was your reaction to Sean McDermott being fired? 797 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 11: Is the first question, because without hearing from Josh Allen, 798 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 11: and with the way that Terry Pegoula answered the question 799 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 11: about was your starting quarterback on board with this decision 800 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 11: basically sidestepping the question, I think it does invite some cloudiness, 801 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 11: some mystery in terms of how Alan really felt about it. 802 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 11: I think the relationship with McDermott and Allen had really 803 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 11: strengthened in recent years. And it Listen, it's the only 804 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 11: head coach he's ever known in the NFL, And so 805 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 11: how is he taking this? 806 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 3: Like I said, I. 807 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 11: Spoke with someone very close to him who did tell 808 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 11: me that he's not ready to speak publicly, but he 809 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 11: is confident in Pagoula and being moving forward. But I 810 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 11: think we need to fully kind of explore that idea 811 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 11: and that topic with him. 812 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 2: You bring up a tell though, when he doesn't do 813 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 2: what he's done before. Yes, it's emotional. I'm guessing he's 814 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 2: been really emotional with all of these playoff losses. But 815 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 2: it's almost as if I'm not going to speak to 816 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 2: you because I know what's coming. I know that my 817 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 2: coach is going to get fired. I don't want to 818 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: be talking to you on Sunday knowing he's getting fired Monday. 819 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not wrong in feeling that. 820 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 11: I think there's certainly that sentiment is out there, and 821 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 11: the evidence would suggest. I would say, though, Dan, that 822 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 11: the reality was that this loss did hit harder. Just 823 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 11: seeing how devastated he was in that locker room was 824 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 11: unlike anything we've seen. And listen, we've lived through thirteen seconds, 825 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 11: We've lived through miss field goals. We've lived through you know, 826 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 11: fourth and one being stopped in the AFC Championship game 827 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 11: in Camp the city where it looked like you should 828 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 11: have had a first down. I mean, he has been 829 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 11: through it in the postseason. But there may be a 830 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 11: part of Josh Allen, whether he knew Sean McDermott was 831 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 11: getting fired or not, there may be a part of 832 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 11: him that had that realization that we have gone as 833 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 11: far as we can go together as a quarterback and 834 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 11: head coach. 835 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 3: And it's not far enough. 836 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 2: Jay, great stuff. Thanks for joining us. 837 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 3: Appreciate you having me, Dan, Thank you. 838 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 2: Jay Skersky. He covers the Buffalo bills for the Buffalo News.