Speaker 1: Let's go tattoo chill on my ass. I would be honored,
Speaker 1: so I never remind myself to chill only people i'm
Speaker 1: sleeping with, only to see your butt crack. Exactly. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Passion to Creepy. It's day and very super fan
Speaker 1: girl excited to welcome Phoebe Bridgers. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being on here. I'm so excited. I'm such a fan.
Speaker 1: This is so fun. The same, I'm such a fan
Speaker 1: and this is like such an awkward time of life.
Speaker 1: But I'm really grateful you came on here. I'm super
Speaker 1: excited to talk to you. Do you believe in the supernatural?
Speaker 1: I think I want it too badly, Like yes, but
Speaker 1: I feel like nothing has ever shown itself to me
Speaker 1: because I wanted so bad, you know, like I have,
Speaker 1: I have like liminal space supernatural feelings every once in
Speaker 1: a while, but but I want to see ghosts in
Speaker 1: my house so bad that I've never seen one. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: I found out my brother's helping to record this podcast,
Speaker 1: but he's like off on the side where we can't
Speaker 1: see him. But I thought I like had a full
Speaker 1: supernatural experience in my house, And turns out he was
Speaker 1: just fucking with me for the TV show that we're on.
Speaker 1: So I've been telling everyone around the world that I've
Speaker 1: had this crazy, wild ghost experience and it was all bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of pisted. Yeah, yeah, what I stuff happens
Speaker 1: to me, like I'll oh. I actually wrote some lyrics
Speaker 1: about it once. But I was driving up the coast
Speaker 1: and there was a space X launch that I didn't
Speaker 1: know about. So it's this big, like glowing orb in
Speaker 1: the sky and I was like, this is the moment
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for my whole life, like aliens are
Speaker 1: showing themselves to me, And then it turned out to
Speaker 1: be SpaceX, and I was so well. Demilovado told me
Speaker 1: that there's she has like a whole series of ways
Speaker 1: that you can go to the desert and attract extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 1: So if you ever interested, I want to go try
Speaker 1: so interested. So same well, because like, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: aliens a little bit, and you were singing about aliens
Speaker 1: in a song I was listening to last night, so
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if she's ever seen them,
Speaker 1: or she believes in them, or I think they're fully
Speaker 1: about to show themselves. I love that optimism. I feel
Speaker 1: like I am. I don't know, like they're either things
Speaker 1: that we can't even perceive of as real or so
Speaker 1: far away that will never see them. I just be
Speaker 1: like the chances in the universe that they're like you know,
Speaker 1: that they seem relatable at all to human beings, that
Speaker 1: they would have any desire to come mess with us
Speaker 1: is so otherworldly. But I hope so. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what that song is about. The song about aliens
Speaker 1: is like I want it so bad that I can't
Speaker 1: even believe it for myself, you know, yeah, because if
Speaker 1: it's if you believe it too hard. It's almost like
Speaker 1: like I love animals. You love animals, So when you're
Speaker 1: in the wild with an animal and you want it
Speaker 1: too bad, I feel like they can sense the desperation
Speaker 1: and then they like funk off. So you have to
Speaker 1: like you have to like a chill and just like
Speaker 1: let it happen and like then they'll come maybe like
Speaker 1: hang out with you. So that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do with the supernaturalism, being like, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to chill. I'm not I have no chill, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying, so just come like give yourself to me,
Speaker 1: show show yourself totally. Yeah. I want to live in
Speaker 1: that world so badly. I just like, yeah, I'm so
Speaker 1: desperate for something interesting in my life to happen. Well, yeah, same,
Speaker 1: I've been really really bored. How is your court? I mean,
Speaker 1: you put out a record that was nominated for a
Speaker 1: million Grammys and is amazing. It's been the soundtrack of
Speaker 1: my quarantine. How is Quarantine for you? Um? It's cool. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I had something to focus on that
Speaker 1: I had already finished because I wasn't feeling super creative
Speaker 1: and I was I was definitely in and out of
Speaker 1: the same depressive episode the whole time. So so having
Speaker 1: press every day was both mind numbing and boring, but
Speaker 1: also like a reason to get up and a reason
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, especially in the beginning of COVID,
Speaker 1: Like interviewers would be like, I love your record, how
Speaker 1: are you like have you been watching? Yeah, like genuinely
Speaker 1: being like, oh should I watch that? Like everybody was
Speaker 1: actually talking to each other, which was fun, but yeah,
Speaker 1: how is yours? Uh? Super weird? I have to say,
Speaker 1: really super super weird, And yeah, I had like a
Speaker 1: crazy spiritual moment in the middle of it that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to have, Like when it was happening, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want this, I don't want get
Speaker 1: away from me. And then I made this podcast because
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if other artists and just
Speaker 1: people around the world, I just want to talk to
Speaker 1: them about like the unexplainable or spiritual or kind of whatever,
Speaker 1: the thing that you can't the intangible in the world
Speaker 1: has just made its way to being at the top
Speaker 1: of my priority list, and I just like, I've been
Speaker 1: listening to your record a lot and selling my clothing
Speaker 1: and what else have I been making a record also?
Speaker 1: But it's just been so weird. It's so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I think it's been hard to write music for
Speaker 1: me because I'm so used to taking my unique um
Speaker 1: perspective for granted and having my living in my own
Speaker 1: personal misery and having such a collective shared experience and
Speaker 1: trauma with the world. There's like, what do I have
Speaker 1: to say about this? And like how do I say
Speaker 1: it um, because we're all dealing with it, so like
Speaker 1: it's not a unique experience to me, Like we're all
Speaker 1: living in this crazy fucked moment exactly, and then I
Speaker 1: wonder because like I'm a total escapist, like my music
Speaker 1: has always been. I've always thought of it. It's like
Speaker 1: a great escape for people, um to get out of
Speaker 1: the misery. But when you're in a pandemic, stuck at
Speaker 1: home alone, it's kind of hard to write about fun
Speaker 1: ship when you can't go anywhere do anything. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: always write about I think it's Gorvidal who's like he
Speaker 1: is in Italy and he says, I always read about
Speaker 1: America when I'm in Italy and Italy when I'm in America.
Speaker 1: And so it's just hard to write about any experience
Speaker 1: if you've had none basically for a year totally except
Speaker 1: for being alone and wanting the spaceship to come abduct
Speaker 1: you and take you fucking somewhere anywhere else totally. Do
Speaker 1: you think that life's going to go back? This is
Speaker 1: more just I'm curious. Do you think life's going to
Speaker 1: go back to how it was pre pandemic or do
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be a whole new different world
Speaker 1: there are. All will say is there's some stuff that
Speaker 1: I won't want to come back, like excessive touching from strangers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, same like the lower back hug. I
Speaker 1: am not gonna miss you, know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: when like and and I feel like this whole time
Speaker 1: has protected me from that side of people's personalities. Like
Speaker 1: I'll meet someone virtually and then normally in normal life,
Speaker 1: I meet someone I talked to them and they're totally normal,
Speaker 1: and then they do like one weird physical thing and
Speaker 1: I'm just like you, like I hate you, uh so,
Speaker 1: so this is like it makes me like people more.
Speaker 1: Not having the obligatory even handshakes. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: I love being physically affectionate with my friends, but but
Speaker 1: I like I kind of like the like polite hello
Speaker 1: wave now. And also with fans. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've been you know, out enough to get like rockognized
Speaker 1: with your mask on and stuff. But but when people
Speaker 1: like would normally like come up and and like hug
Speaker 1: you really hard without your permission, Like I do kind
Speaker 1: of like the like, hey, oh my gosh, I like
Speaker 1: your music, Like it's just more polite. It's more it is.
Speaker 1: I have a weird phobia of stinky fingers, Like I
Speaker 1: really just like smelly fingers, and I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of people grab my face with stinky hand in my life. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I think it's where the phobia came from, and not
Speaker 1: present company excluded everybody. He has great fingers, okay, but
Speaker 1: I don't miss having someone with the stinky finger put
Speaker 1: it on my face. Yeah, And I feel like people
Speaker 1: hear me talk about that and and sometimes they're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you just don't like your fans or whatever. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: Like most of the people I meet are normal, but
Speaker 1: then there's one person and who can rule in it
Speaker 1: for you, Like there's one person with no boundaries who
Speaker 1: like comes up and scares the ship out of you,
Speaker 1: And you're like, now I don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: anybody normal because you ruined it, right, I totally have that,
Speaker 1: And like you stuck your stinky finger on my face
Speaker 1: and then you kissed my mouth and I don't know
Speaker 1: your name, and now I have to like ask you
Speaker 1: about your dental hygien I was just get so awkward
Speaker 1: with the boundary things. So I feel you, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: just this wall even emotionally like I I have. I
Speaker 1: don't have a great relationship with my dad and it's
Speaker 1: been a couple of years since we talked. But then
Speaker 1: during COVID, we like talked on the phone and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's because there's this pre existing boundary
Speaker 1: of like you're not gonna come like stay with me,
Speaker 1: or we're not gonna like it's not gonna go farther
Speaker 1: than like a heart to heart phone call. Like that's it.
Speaker 1: I think I fear like at the aftermath of that
Speaker 1: type of intimacy. So like with intimacy without boundaries, it's
Speaker 1: really really just saying that because I was just talking
Speaker 1: about that for the past two hours with I'm terrible
Speaker 1: a boundaries, absolutely horrible. It feels like hatred. Like sending
Speaker 1: boundaries feels like I'm being mean. And then I'll show
Speaker 1: my friends, like a totally reasonable text I sent someone
Speaker 1: got an unreasonable response and they're like, dude, you're being
Speaker 1: so normal, Like why is it so hard to be normal?
Speaker 1: It's so hard. I half of my notes on my
Speaker 1: phone are like lyrics, are little ideas, are growthery lists
Speaker 1: and that, but at least half are totally normal, reasonable
Speaker 1: sounding text setting a very low key boundary like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start doing that. It's all my texts are just
Speaker 1: like drafting back and drafting, like like do you send
Speaker 1: it to people to like see if it's normal sounding
Speaker 1: totally too yeah, And but I have sent like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've sent screenshots of a whole text conversation like accidentally
Speaker 1: to the person that's the worst, Like, is so sketchy,
Speaker 1: it's so sketchy with no text. Just sent the screenshot
Speaker 1: back of our conversation to the person. They're like, what
Speaker 1: the fund do? Oh, that's the nightmare. I've definitely like
Speaker 1: accidentally voice memoed myself being like they're being fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: and then like, oh shit. I have a friend who
Speaker 1: was who was shipping and actually said, no, that's the nightmare.
Speaker 1: That's going to be my nightmare tonight. That's the worst.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, well, that's a nightmare. That's terrifying. But
Speaker 1: I feel like with everyone being so on their phones
Speaker 1: and accessible, that's one of the reasons I took Twitter
Speaker 1: off of my phone because A, you should never drink
Speaker 1: and post anything to anything. I learned that the hard way,
Speaker 1: and I've done it like so any times. But you
Speaker 1: also probably shouldn't be high. To have done that a
Speaker 1: lot too, because I think I'm being so funny, And
Speaker 1: then the next day, in the light of not being
Speaker 1: stoned and like, now I'm just embarrassed at myself and
Speaker 1: I'm going to deplete it and fortell it never happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think trying to be funny and feeling is mine.
Speaker 1: I'm are you know what I mean? Like people being
Speaker 1: like or like targeting me specifically as millennial because I
Speaker 1: make a Harry Potter joke or something. I'm like, damn it,
Speaker 1: like you're so right, like that is my whole humor.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like sad girl, and then I get
Speaker 1: called out word I'm so embarrassed. I think, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't fleshed out this idea, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if I stand behind it, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it. But I again, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: stand behind it. I think what makes some of my
Speaker 1: favorite artists are the people that dare to be the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing. Like you go for something and it's like
Speaker 1: really rides a line of like that could have really
Speaker 1: not landed, but it landed so fucking hard because you
Speaker 1: dared to go there. But then there are the times
Speaker 1: that doesn't land. And then I'm just like because I
Speaker 1: try to like dare to be the most embarrassing version
Speaker 1: of myself, Like maybe isn't like a great no, I
Speaker 1: have the I love it. I love it. I think
Speaker 1: the only times that I've ever regretted it is when
Speaker 1: I step on a conversation I'm not really invited to,
Speaker 1: or like accidentally sound super privileged just because I like
Speaker 1: I like the internet for and songwriting for It's like
Speaker 1: word vomit, like all you have to do is tell
Speaker 1: the truth and someone will relate to you. And and
Speaker 1: if you're embarrassing, I could write a thesis about this,
Speaker 1: tell me. But like more than being queer, more than
Speaker 1: being whatever. I think that if I had watched more
Speaker 1: people as a kid be embarrassing, it would have saved
Speaker 1: me so much hardship and heartache. Like if I had
Speaker 1: looked up to people who were did you my reality
Speaker 1: TV show? Because it's pretty fucking embarrassing? Do you want
Speaker 1: to binge watch that? You'll get a fast track? I should.
Speaker 1: I think my issue with reality TV though, is because
Speaker 1: is when I see people in pain and like it's unresolved,
Speaker 1: I can't. Like I try to watch The Bachelor. I
Speaker 1: got one episode in and was like, I'm so embarrassed
Speaker 1: with this person or I'm so sad for this person
Speaker 1: or so like like I feel everybody's emotion in reality
Speaker 1: TV so hard I can't function even like herban enthusiasm
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm like, I can't, I can't like okay,
Speaker 1: the cringe e feeling. Yeah, I wrote a song about
Speaker 1: this the other day called idiot Shivers. I realized my
Speaker 1: favorite emotion and all of the scope of humanity is
Speaker 1: when I get idiot shivers, like when you're seeing comedy
Speaker 1: that's just like really bad. I want to sit in
Speaker 1: the back of the room and get like I want
Speaker 1: to crawl inside of my skin and die. And that's
Speaker 1: my favorite feeling. See I feel the opposite. I feel
Speaker 1: like and I see bad comedy. It takes years of
Speaker 1: my life because I'm like so embarrassed for the person.
Speaker 1: Even if the person is being like racist or sexist
Speaker 1: or homophobic, and like I should hate them, I still
Speaker 1: am like you idiot, like get off, Like I still
Speaker 1: have this weird like savior like shut the funk up feeling.
Speaker 1: And then it took me a long time to realize
Speaker 1: like it's their fault and like some people myself totally included,
Speaker 1: I just happen to have microphones around my face all
Speaker 1: the time, which I don't know if I should. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they should have a microphone. But you
Speaker 1: give anybody a microphone, they just say dumb ship into it,
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's embarrassing. Yeah. I'm like trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to put this in a song of
Speaker 1: some sort, like about how embarrassing I feel all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then I'm also like, I think it's good for
Speaker 1: people to try to just shoot for the stars, shoot
Speaker 1: for those stars, and if it doesn't land, at least
Speaker 1: just tribes there is like my mother, there's an incredible TikTok.
Speaker 1: It's like a girl being like I so badly want
Speaker 1: to be the mysterious girl in the corner of a
Speaker 1: cafe you think about for the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: but I can't shut the funk up. I really do
Speaker 1: that so hard. I was like, I can't be mysterious.
Speaker 1: I can't chuck the sunk up. Ever, I have no
Speaker 1: like aura of mystery. It's just like, I feel like
Speaker 1: you seem very mysterious. I appreciate magical, like the best,
Speaker 1: coolest fuck. That's the vibe you get me. I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you, I really really appreciate that. Thank you. So
Speaker 1: you are the mysterious girl, even if you don't know it.
Speaker 1: I tried to be the mysterious girl one time hanging
Speaker 1: out with my mom and I was like sitting there
Speaker 1: like making moody faces and being quiet, and She's like,
Speaker 1: what the funk are you doing? Yeah? I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, fine, it's not working. That sounds like my mom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how is the Grammys? But also not It was like
Speaker 1: the whole time I was thinking, how fucking fun would
Speaker 1: this be if we could just all be in the
Speaker 1: same room, And and it wasn't like I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was so well organized, but it took away from
Speaker 1: the like week of parties or a week of meeting people,
Speaker 1: and and I had tons of friends there and we
Speaker 1: were texting like Hi, I'm on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: like let's get a yard drink sometime. Like it just
Speaker 1: it was definitely a memory, that's for sure, which I appreciate, Like, like,
Speaker 1: it was a very strange here to go to the Grammy's,
Speaker 1: especially for the first time, but I can't believe for
Speaker 1: next time to like actually high five people and stuff,
Speaker 1: even all the time earlier. I feel like it's the
Speaker 1: first of many. Yeah, no, it'll be It'll be fun.
Speaker 1: And it was also like it was good to get
Speaker 1: um one under my belt because I was so nervous
Speaker 1: and it turned out super fun and everything was nice.
Speaker 1: So I love that. Do you know that? I don't
Speaker 1: know why I think you would know that. My thinkin
Speaker 1: you maybe went to the same school. Do you know
Speaker 1: the high girls? Oh? Yeah, yeah we went. We did
Speaker 1: go to the same school, did you Because I've been
Speaker 1: friends with them since I was eighteen and I moved
Speaker 1: out to l A. And I was like, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling they went to the same school. Yeah. Alana
Speaker 1: was a senior when I was a freshman and I
Speaker 1: and we were both an opera. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: thought she was so awesome and she like wore baggy
Speaker 1: T shirts and looked like a rock star and I
Speaker 1: like stolen of my dad's T shirts and was like,
Speaker 1: I look like that now I might look like her
Speaker 1: because she's cool. Oh god, I love that. It's so
Speaker 1: funny because she is a couple of years younger than me,
Speaker 1: so she was I like hung out, was hanging out
Speaker 1: with her and she was like fourteen. So funny, I know,
Speaker 1: it's just a trip but totally anyway. I just figured
Speaker 1: you guys would probably know each other from growing up
Speaker 1: in LA and stuff. Um actual creepy questions. I read
Speaker 1: that you like serial killers. Hm, I'm also a big fan.
Speaker 1: Not a fan of serial killing, not promoting it, murdering
Speaker 1: in large amounts, just saying I love to read about
Speaker 1: the work of serial killers. Who's your favorite serial killer?
Speaker 1: And like, why are you obsessed with serial killing? I've
Speaker 1: been trying to figure this out about myself. I just
Speaker 1: love it. I love reading about it. Yeah, I well,
Speaker 1: there's like this O c. D thing. You become obsessed
Speaker 1: without doing something um or obsessed with like the worst
Speaker 1: possible mental image or the worst most violent act, and
Speaker 1: you you're like, don't think about it, don't think about it,
Speaker 1: don't think about it. And then of course you think
Speaker 1: about it. You lose control and you think about it,
Speaker 1: and the only real way to conquer that is too
Speaker 1: to think it and realize it has no power over you.
Speaker 1: And you're just like, okay, fuck you, like you're not
Speaker 1: I am not my thoughts yeah and uh, and so
Speaker 1: I used to think there was something wrong with me,
Speaker 1: but they're set with the true crime wave. Realizing that
Speaker 1: so many other people are go through the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: It's awesome and it normalizes it. And also like the
Speaker 1: Reframer not like just sick fuck right and reframing it
Speaker 1: in like an abolition standpoint or like a non romanticizing
Speaker 1: creepy white guys who kill people, uh point of view.
Speaker 1: I think that the new true prime thing is awesome.
Speaker 1: That being said, my first favorite was Jeffrey Dahmer because
Speaker 1: really I love just how creative, you know, like I
Speaker 1: love a good creative murder. Yeah. I think he was
Speaker 1: my first favorite because he, like Ted Bundy interviews me
Speaker 1: going to kill myself because he's so uh fucking full
Speaker 1: of himself. He sounds he thinks he's so smart and
Speaker 1: such hot shit. And Dahmer, I mean, Dahmer is a pedophile, murderer,
Speaker 1: horrible person and the way that he talks about himself
Speaker 1: is so clinical and weird, but it's not It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like he needs to be the center of attention,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't blame anything. He like Ted Bundy's like,
Speaker 1: who I blame born? And and John Wayne Gacy is like,
Speaker 1: I blame the fucking parents for letting their kids run away,
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Dahmer is like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's up. Um. I just like I've always really
Speaker 1: wanted to do that stuff, and and I did it,
Speaker 1: and it's just so creepy. Yeah, it's so creepy. And
Speaker 1: then he eats the people. Yeah yeah, which to me
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know why I like that part
Speaker 1: so much. I wrote a song called cannibal a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and I've always been fascinated with like cannibalism.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but I I know,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But ever since I was a
Speaker 1: little I read about Jeffrey Dahmers, which maybe says something
Speaker 1: about my mother just like letting me breathe whatever the
Speaker 1: funk I want. But I now have like made pilgrimages
Speaker 1: to where he stayed in Milwaukee and like tried to
Speaker 1: like conjure up his spirit in the room he stayed at.
Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of a sick fuck. But I
Speaker 1: find it really fascinating maybe that people just like get
Speaker 1: away with this ship under and they're just what, they're
Speaker 1: just people. I think people are so scary. People are
Speaker 1: so scary, and and I think he along with a
Speaker 1: lot of other people. Yeah, he got away with it
Speaker 1: for a long time, which is so funny. Again, the
Speaker 1: cops like that, there's a nine one one call you've
Speaker 1: probably heard with um, we're literally like a little boy
Speaker 1: escaped Dahmer's apartment and the cops found him, and and
Speaker 1: and the cop. The cops were talking to each other
Speaker 1: and one cop is like, oh, he was just an
Speaker 1: f sler, like, so we sent him back. And then
Speaker 1: the little boy ended up dying because I remember that
Speaker 1: they sent him back to the apartment. So the cops
Speaker 1: just let him slide. And I think that there there
Speaker 1: is this through line of serial killers where they get
Speaker 1: more and more slow, be like they want to get caught,
Speaker 1: which I think he even admitted to, but like, the
Speaker 1: amount of ship that he got away with for so
Speaker 1: long is so fun up, Like literally just because they
Speaker 1: don't they didn't care. They were like, I don't care,
Speaker 1: what's happening to a gay couple quote unquote and not
Speaker 1: realizing what was a child? Holy shit, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: this phone call. I'm gonna listen to it now because
Speaker 1: I'm curious. It sounds very dark and again disclaimer, don't
Speaker 1: murder people we're just talking about stuff and things because
Speaker 1: we're people and we're stuck inside. Okay. But I also
Speaker 1: I read this book about the Manson murders, and what
Speaker 1: fascinated me, I think most was how he got other
Speaker 1: people to murder for him, And I was like, God,
Speaker 1: there must be some sort of charismatic side to this person.
Speaker 1: And that's what freaks me out the most is that, Like,
Speaker 1: not to get into politics, but like if you give
Speaker 1: somebody a microphone and a big ego and they speak
Speaker 1: like they have a big dick about something, there will
Speaker 1: be people that will be like, yeah, right on, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get on board with that absolutely, especially if you
Speaker 1: shut down all the mental health institutions around you know, California,
Speaker 1: and you're just like all right, go off and self
Speaker 1: medicated and find the loudest person who tells you what
Speaker 1: to do and we're to stay and what to say
Speaker 1: and how to behave Um. Yeah, it's like every call
Speaker 1: to ever so yeah, which is also I'm not a
Speaker 1: religious person. Are you religious? Not at all? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Me neither. Um, which also to me, like the difference
Speaker 1: between a cult and religion. It's like, well, you're just
Speaker 1: giving us like construction man, like a book on how
Speaker 1: to be a person. A lot of that might be
Speaker 1: helpful and seemingly good ideas, some of these things you're
Speaker 1: saying I should do, But I don't really know the
Speaker 1: difference between a cult and a religion if they're both
Speaker 1: murdering other people that don't agree with them. So that's
Speaker 1: why I kind of opt out of all of it. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It well, I think it weirdly gives people a god
Speaker 1: complex if if they follow the rules of life and
Speaker 1: they it's like a game or scientology or anything. It's
Speaker 1: like I want to get to the highest level of
Speaker 1: this thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, oh, it's so true.
Speaker 1: It's like a video game. Totally. Do you play video games?
Speaker 1: You know? I am afraid of what would happen to
Speaker 1: me if I play video games. I've definitely had romantic
Speaker 1: relationships with lots of people who play video games, and
Speaker 1: I am jealous. I've never played a video game in
Speaker 1: my life. Really surprises me. I have like I have.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I played like an off
Speaker 1: road video game, which I crushed at me, I say it,
Speaker 1: But but as an adult, I've never played any of
Speaker 1: the fun ones, which I should do. I don't know
Speaker 1: see to me, it's kind of like the next dimension.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think our brains are perceiving.
Speaker 1: I think literally the next dimension is virtual reality. And
Speaker 1: so I'm scared that once I go into that. It's
Speaker 1: almost like my mom told me never to eat acid,
Speaker 1: so I never did. She was like I was never
Speaker 1: the same after I ate acid, And I'm kind of
Speaker 1: nervous that going into video game world would be kind
Speaker 1: of like once you see this whole new dimension, in
Speaker 1: this whole new reality, then you can become obsessed with
Speaker 1: it and want to just live in it all the time. Totally. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: the Nine Boys showed me virtual reality, like in a
Speaker 1: big headset. It was wild, like you're you walk off
Speaker 1: of a building. Why would anybody do that? It was
Speaker 1: kind of awesome, like he gives you the same like
Speaker 1: gut feeling of falling and and I'm obsessed with dreams too.
Speaker 1: I canp're the closest thing to you know, another dimension
Speaker 1: that we can get to. So it felt like that,
Speaker 1: and it felt kind of like a dream state too,
Speaker 1: where like it's not all fully formed, like it's such
Speaker 1: early days of virtual reality that it's kind of like
Speaker 1: low rent and that was even cooler to me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like stepping in a completely different world. Well, the
Speaker 1: weird part is it feels real because you have this
Speaker 1: thing on your face, so you'll get that adrenaline rush
Speaker 1: of maybe kind of dying because I've seen the game
Speaker 1: where you're talking about, right, you like walk on a
Speaker 1: stick and then you fall off a building. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: drummer Marshal like cry, oh my god. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: why do we all want to feel that way? That's
Speaker 1: so sick, so sick. But yeah, that's kind of like one.
Speaker 1: I think dreams and virtual reality those are the two
Speaker 1: things wherem like maybe that's the next dimension, or maybe
Speaker 1: like that's visiting a different dimension, or maybe we're all
Speaker 1: just a simulation. I'm trying to figure it out. That's
Speaker 1: why i started podcast. I thought maybe you'll have some
Speaker 1: answers for Well, I'm obsessed with anything that reframes your mindset,
Speaker 1: whether it's meditation or video games or dreams or taking
Speaker 1: a nice walk after reading side all day, like anything
Speaker 1: that changes your mood, or like if you've ever been
Speaker 1: to a James Drill exhibit, like why does this purple
Speaker 1: make me feel sad, like I love that ship I
Speaker 1: do too, Do you know Dan Flavin? No, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: like this these artists that uses lots of neon. But
Speaker 1: it's so interesting what a color can do to your mood. Totally,
Speaker 1: and I love like I'm not at all in art snob.
Speaker 1: I just know that some things make me really happy
Speaker 1: and some things are scary. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: like what I like. I think like everybody, which is
Speaker 1: why art is so confusing. I know I love that
Speaker 1: because I love I love. I've been trying to articulate
Speaker 1: this where I feel like it's easier for people to
Speaker 1: say what music they like because or maybe it's just me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but like I hear a song
Speaker 1: and I kind of immediately know if it's gonna affect me,
Speaker 1: and it might take a couple of times to realize
Speaker 1: if it's my favorite song I've ever heard or not.
Speaker 1: But but I've been in so many galleries looking at
Speaker 1: art where I'm like, am I supposed to like this?
Speaker 1: You know, like what is this? And then I've also
Speaker 1: been brought to tears by a portrait in a random
Speaker 1: gallery and every bes Russian body and that's so magical
Speaker 1: to you, Like, I think that art people need to
Speaker 1: trust their feeling on art Otherwise every like who would
Speaker 1: who would listen to a song and be like it's
Speaker 1: stupid they you like this? Like that person has some
Speaker 1: serious problems. Oh I get that about my songs all
Speaker 1: the time. I've been called a guilty pleasure for a
Speaker 1: long time, which I'm totally fine with it. If people
Speaker 1: need to do it in private, it's fine, Like, go
Speaker 1: listen to my records in private and have a great time.
Speaker 1: As long as it's like connecting and bringing somebody some
Speaker 1: sort of something. I'm like, great, whatever. But I also
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's also a testament to how a
Speaker 1: media we effective. Your music is, whereas I get like
Speaker 1: boring all the time. Oh my god, your music is
Speaker 1: the least boring thing ever. It's I think your music
Speaker 1: is the least guilty, Like, like who would be guilty
Speaker 1: of something that's just good? And I've always felt like
Speaker 1: guilty pleasures um are kind of sexist, Like it's just
Speaker 1: like this weird gate keeping. Um Like if if people
Speaker 1: like this and it can dance to it, then it's
Speaker 1: then you have to feel guilty about it. Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go see your fucking noise rock
Speaker 1: band bro, like you know, oh my god preach or
Speaker 1: like maybe I do, but I also want to go
Speaker 1: see Britney Spears in Vegas exactly and eat my dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That's where I'm at. Yeah, but your music
Speaker 1: is don't not point. There's one lyric where like I
Speaker 1: miss you like I'm a little kid or just like
Speaker 1: a little kid, and like I relate to that like
Speaker 1: deeply in my bones. When I heard that for the
Speaker 1: first time, I was like, oh, like it's like earth
Speaker 1: heart like, like I know that feeling, and I just
Speaker 1: love the feeling when you hear it come out of
Speaker 1: somebody else's mouth and you're like, fuck, that's exactly how
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was feeling, and they just
Speaker 1: put it into words and it's like both happy and
Speaker 1: sad and honest and like something I wouldn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: said myself because I'm not in touch with myself enough
Speaker 1: to know that I would feel that way. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like super fan over here. I think you're grant.
Speaker 1: What's funny. It's funny about music though, Like don't you
Speaker 1: ever feel like when I wrote that lyric, I was
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck this person, I hate them, but
Speaker 1: that's not a I was like, that's not a very
Speaker 1: interesting song. I should try to make it sound more
Speaker 1: complex than that, or like add some new feelings. And
Speaker 1: so I wrote that, and then a couple of months
Speaker 1: later I had the perspective to realize I was like
Speaker 1: totally telling the truth. Yes, And do you ever feel
Speaker 1: like when you're writing a song that you don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're feeling until it literally falls out of
Speaker 1: your face and then you listen to and you're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was even feeling like that. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's like when your therapist looks at you like yo,
Speaker 1: like what people say, like that's really pucked up, and
Speaker 1: you're like, what are you talking about? I know that
Speaker 1: feeling really really well, And then I'll be like, wait
Speaker 1: to have something on my face and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's just real fucked up. Totally totally. But that's for
Speaker 1: me when I write songs. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: like this for you, but it is like therapy. It's
Speaker 1: like doing therapy for mass consumption and judgment, which is
Speaker 1: the kind of sick messochistic part, but I really enjoy
Speaker 1: the like therapeutic exorcism of demon like demonic thing part,
Speaker 1: Like the making of it to me is so fun
Speaker 1: me too. And and you meet people who connect with
Speaker 1: your most inner sort of subconscious thoughts in a real
Speaker 1: way and relate to you more than anybody. And you
Speaker 1: also alienate people who fucking stuff like like for me,
Speaker 1: I get a lot of like men's rights people on
Speaker 1: my internet like being like fuck you or whatever, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is awesome. I was like I
Speaker 1: have because I believe in my art and because I
Speaker 1: like did a therapy session and monetized it, like I
Speaker 1: am attracting the right people and pushing away the people
Speaker 1: I never want to speak to me or look at me,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh my god. Fuck yeah, I'm gonna butcher
Speaker 1: the quote. But Kirk Coobaan said something along the lines
Speaker 1: of like, if you're a homophobic or racist, and I
Speaker 1: forget what else, are just like more or less a
Speaker 1: piece of ship, don't buy my record. I don't want
Speaker 1: your money. And that's how I feel too. I've been
Speaker 1: um at the Westboro Baptist Church pay getting outside one
Speaker 1: of my shows, and I was so proud of myself totally.
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom loved that ship. And I think
Speaker 1: especially as like a white woman in America. In America,
Speaker 1: it can feel like I'm like writing this line of like, um,
Speaker 1: like benefiting so much from a system I hate. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so when like I posted this thing about abortion
Speaker 1: rights and like my actual fans were like, I think
Speaker 1: that you're a murderer or whatever, people who like my music,
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, Like you've been listening to
Speaker 1: my music and like crazy, like how did you? I've
Speaker 1: had some weird experiences like that too, where I'm like,
Speaker 1: have you been listening to the words? Though? Totally, like like,
Speaker 1: I've been pretty upfront with how I feel. Well. Martin Scrully, uh,
Speaker 1: the guy who jacked up the AIDS medication prices and
Speaker 1: it's like the most hated man of the time. He
Speaker 1: like quoted Connor Oberst's political band in an interview once,
Speaker 1: and Connor was like, what the fuck? How did you?
Speaker 1: How did you hear my punk band? I think this
Speaker 1: is like for you, Oh my god, that's so scary.
Speaker 1: Do you'd sing a lot about death and being raised?
Speaker 1: My mom's a total goth. She doesn't know, but she's
Speaker 1: a total god. She loves talking about death, and like,
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of am too. I think quite
Speaker 1: a fair amount about dying. Do you think it's like
Speaker 1: something that drives you to be better? Is it just
Speaker 1: something that freaks you out so much? Do you want
Speaker 1: to address it? Or is like all the things I
Speaker 1: weirdly think, like thinking about death is very weirdly relaxing
Speaker 1: to me, Like it's just that sounds so you know,
Speaker 1: but like, oh, I have a lot of friends who
Speaker 1: write similar music to me, and death is like this
Speaker 1: constant obsession that keeps them up at night and stuff
Speaker 1: I'm more afraid of, like waking life. I'm way more
Speaker 1: afraid of life than I am of death. And it's
Speaker 1: never been an obsession, but I am obsessed with the
Speaker 1: things that people do in life, and and I've been
Speaker 1: in love with a lot of people who are obsessed
Speaker 1: with death, So I think I But but as far
Speaker 1: as my relationship to death, I actually kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the it's the most human experience
Speaker 1: like that we all go through at some point, and
Speaker 1: it's weird that we all have like a thing that
Speaker 1: is what kills us. Um. But I think about it
Speaker 1: as like an abstract thing more. I think about it
Speaker 1: all the time, not to sound like a total goth,
Speaker 1: but I think about how like relaxing it sounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds really relaxed, Like I'm going to live a
Speaker 1: full life and enjoy my time on this plane, in
Speaker 1: this this body I've been given. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: just have like a really good time in it. But
Speaker 1: like I've been reading a lot about the afterlife and
Speaker 1: what what happens after you know, and does your soul
Speaker 1: go somewhere and do you come back? And do you
Speaker 1: reincarnate or do you turn into a mushroom or what?
Speaker 1: I don't know, who knows, nobody knows, but I do,
Speaker 1: like obsessively wonder about these things. But I hope that
Speaker 1: before I turn into a mushroom or a baby or
Speaker 1: an alien or nothing, I hope I get to take
Speaker 1: like a fucking nap, like a really long nap totally,
Speaker 1: like they can then please be arrest. Between now and
Speaker 1: the afterlife, there were no dreams, no dreams, just like
Speaker 1: a deep, dark, damp nap totally. But I do I
Speaker 1: want to come back, and I kind of want to
Speaker 1: come back. There's a mushroom or a whale. Yeah thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mushrooms are something I've never understood and and that are
Speaker 1: so etherial to me. It would be cool too, like
Speaker 1: the fact that they help trees communicate with like he's
Speaker 1: sick in the forest. It's cool mushrooms. I think. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, not a fully formed thought here, but
Speaker 1: I think mushrooms are maybe the key to higher consciousness
Speaker 1: or maybe they're aliens or I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think there's something. Mushrooms are crazy little motherfucker's. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: something up with mushrooms. There's something. There's something going on
Speaker 1: with them. Do you know about thin places? I think
Speaker 1: that's a mushroom. But it's a Celtic thing, I think.
Speaker 1: But it's basically like a thin place is the space
Speaker 1: like spaces on Earth that are closer to a spirit
Speaker 1: realm than than you know. It's like the place in
Speaker 1: between basic Wait, yes, I never heard that term before.
Speaker 1: Obsessed obsessed, Like I constantly am looking for like a
Speaker 1: beautiful hike to go on, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: never know when the feeling is going to hit me,
Speaker 1: but it but when it does, it's so magical. But yeah,
Speaker 1: mushroom mushrooms, and like I'm obsessed with with like fancy
Speaker 1: or one like hot hot chocolates and stuff was like
Speaker 1: mushroom powder. Like I just want to be closer to
Speaker 1: the nature. I feel like that my closest being in
Speaker 1: nature moment is like the most what's what do you
Speaker 1: call it? The thin places? So I get that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this. When I'm
Speaker 1: on stage and I have to be really really really
Speaker 1: really present, oh my gosh, absolutely yes, that's one place.
Speaker 1: And then if I'm like in the ocean and there's
Speaker 1: like a shark or a whale or something like any
Speaker 1: time and my adrenaline goes up, I feel like I
Speaker 1: have to be present and being that present, I think
Speaker 1: is like what you're talking about, totally yeah. Or or
Speaker 1: if I have like a really really intense crush, I
Speaker 1: think I love a crush, like it just it. I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't give a fuck so much of
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, I've also had the experience
Speaker 1: of of like right before I go on stage, or
Speaker 1: even being on stage and being like this is a
Speaker 1: hundredth time I've done this. Like I used to get
Speaker 1: adrenaline doing this and now I don't um, but like
Speaker 1: those first couple of shows or like the last couple
Speaker 1: of shows and you're like accidentally totally in your body.
Speaker 1: I'm just addicted to that feeling me too, The fully
Speaker 1: present like that seems to me like it's like being
Speaker 1: in touch with your higher highest self is when you're
Speaker 1: that present. Yeah, and when you're like ready to be
Speaker 1: perceived also. I think that's what's also been hard about
Speaker 1: this year, like realizing how much I will let myself
Speaker 1: go mentally and physically if I am not being siege
Speaker 1: all the time. Like if I if I put on
Speaker 1: my stage costume and I am singing my hardest, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is I am presenting myself? Yeah, like a peacock
Speaker 1: totally totally. But then like do peacocks fluff up if
Speaker 1: there's no ladies to impress around? Yeah? True? If a
Speaker 1: peacock shoots in the woods, the hope does he fluff up? No?
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have no one to fluff
Speaker 1: your feathers for, then do you fluff them? And without
Speaker 1: the fluffing, who are you? I mean? Maybe if they
Speaker 1: had the Internet, Like I have friends who during COVID
Speaker 1: were like I put on makeup today for some reason,
Speaker 1: but I know about it because they put it online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a nice place to dump some sort of
Speaker 1: like purpose is like online if I need like a
Speaker 1: like a purposeful thing where I'm like, oh, I did
Speaker 1: a thing, put it out there because I did this
Speaker 1: thing and everyone needs to know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: everyone needs to see it, but they do. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love that. It's such a weird feeling because like that
Speaker 1: didn't exist when I was really little, Like there was
Speaker 1: none of that, and so all of a sudden then
Speaker 1: being like, oh, every time I literally take a piss
Speaker 1: or change my shoes, I'm gonna tell the whole world
Speaker 1: all about it. It's a weird. It's weird life for
Speaker 1: living in. My makeup artist was telling me, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna funk this up. Have you heard about the icelandic
Speaker 1: volcano activity that maybe is sparking a hundred years of
Speaker 1: activity of volcanic eruptions. No, Basically, do you think this
Speaker 1: is the end of times? I think I've always, like,
Speaker 1: more than death or anything, I've always felt like the
Speaker 1: end of times we're coming. Um, like, have we arrived?
Speaker 1: Are we there? I don't think we're so lucky. I
Speaker 1: think we have more years, you know what, and like
Speaker 1: I feel like there's gonna be so much destruction and
Speaker 1: stuff before the end of times for real. So I
Speaker 1: think in my obsession with death has led me into
Speaker 1: wanting to lead an extraordinarily exciting life because I'm like,
Speaker 1: we maybe come back, or maybe we turn into a mushroom.
Speaker 1: So the death pushed me to do a bunch of
Speaker 1: crazy ship this lifetime. In the process, I've got addicted
Speaker 1: to that feeling of like that adrenaline feeling you're talking about,
Speaker 1: but also just being super super presently, having to be
Speaker 1: super fucking present. So I like love swimming with sharks
Speaker 1: and stuff. I like doing things like maybe it could
Speaker 1: kill me, but then when it does and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that was awesome. Damn I wish I could. I
Speaker 1: saw a shark in the water in Melody once and
Speaker 1: I like didn't get in the ocean like a year
Speaker 1: really obviousit reaction. I'm way more scared of pain than
Speaker 1: I am of death. Like, yeah, I'm afraid of discomfort
Speaker 1: in pain so much more than enough. But is it
Speaker 1: pain necessary to write music? May be the only one
Speaker 1: that thinks this. I feel like it's like absolutely necessary
Speaker 1: when I'm writing music. Yeah, I think pain is necessary,
Speaker 1: and I definitely definitely don't avoid emotional pain as much
Speaker 1: as I should. But it's like physical pain. So you
Speaker 1: don't have any tattoos. I do. I love tattoos, So
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, I just mean like unpredictable, uncontrolled pain,
Speaker 1: like you like a shark bite or even I went
Speaker 1: surfreaking a couple of times and I got like crushed
Speaker 1: by a wave and like hurt my lower back and
Speaker 1: I was just like how for like three months. I
Speaker 1: hate that, um, But but I love getting tattoos. It's
Speaker 1: like controlled and you're like so many people do it,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's fine. Yeah, it's totally fine.
Speaker 1: People have been doing it since the dawn of Well,
Speaker 1: I don't actually know. This is not a fact people
Speaker 1: get tattoos, and I think it's been recorded for a
Speaker 1: very very very long time totally. So I have a
Speaker 1: bunch of kind of wish I hadn't got some of them.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, really, I think I think if
Speaker 1: you only have incredible tattoos, you're a cop, or you're
Speaker 1: a serial killer, totally like I think, or you are
Speaker 1: a Barrista and you add intelligence yet exactly like I
Speaker 1: think bad tattoos are part of life. They are they
Speaker 1: tell a story. Yeah, and and also like who gives
Speaker 1: a ship Like you're not it's not gonna keep you
Speaker 1: up at night at a bad tattoo, Like you're just
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, this is my bad tattoo. Like
Speaker 1: I love those people, you know, Like check out my
Speaker 1: friend griff In DAWs. He plays um drums, has a
Speaker 1: basketball going into a hoop that's a swish. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's like read like a child to I
Speaker 1: have no idea who did it? But that was amazing?
Speaker 1: Did he know it was bad going into it? I
Speaker 1: honestly have no idea, but I love his just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, here's my horrible tatoo. Oh I have so many.
Speaker 1: I have so many worst. I have narwalls dancing on
Speaker 1: my arm. I have. Here's the worst tattoo I have.
Speaker 1: It says on my fucking arm. It says chill. I
Speaker 1: love that. I hate it. There's nothing about that chills.
Speaker 1: What the funk was? I think? What? Like, like, honestly,
Speaker 1: the truth for so many, like the answered to so
Speaker 1: many questions is chill you know, how is my reasoning
Speaker 1: behind it? But like, I don't have that part of
Speaker 1: my brain has not yet been activated. My friend Hayley,
Speaker 1: who's in Slappy Gaine, Uh this awesome band, has a
Speaker 1: tattoo on her inner thigh that's says scratch and sniff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And she was like so many people
Speaker 1: when she was getting in it was like, what about
Speaker 1: when you're old? And she was like, especially when I'm old. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love I love an older person with shitty tattoo.
Speaker 1: Like I once put this guy when I went to sundance,
Speaker 1: like way before I ever had like any money. So
Speaker 1: I'm walking in this note I find a hundred dollar bill.
Speaker 1: I feel like a fucking baller. And this guy is like,
Speaker 1: do you need a ride? Shouldn't have taken the ride?
Speaker 1: Took the ride. He drops me off of my place
Speaker 1: everybody lives he has. He's like, you want to see
Speaker 1: all my tattoos. He has covered in tattoos of people
Speaker 1: in different sexual positions, just having sex the lover's body. Wow,
Speaker 1: he's disgusting. That's interesting gross. Yeah, that's fucking gross. I
Speaker 1: am still on the daily hunt for my lower back
Speaker 1: tattoo though, like, oh, you don't have one yet. You
Speaker 1: could get chill in a different language. Yeah, I should
Speaker 1: get chill in a different language, um, like one that
Speaker 1: you don't speak, and probably maybe it'll be spelled wrong.
Speaker 1: And I have a tattoo gun. Okay wait, I have
Speaker 1: like a couple of stupid, stupid questions. If you don't
Speaker 1: like one, say pass. If you like one, you can
Speaker 1: answer it. Okay. If you had a cult, what would
Speaker 1: your manifesto be, um, chill? I kind of though it
Speaker 1: would kind of be like chill would live left Loo
Speaker 1: or something like. It would just be like, you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have any creepy sex or any mandatory anything
Speaker 1: other than just like relax. You know. I love that
Speaker 1: I would join. I would not know how to chill,
Speaker 1: but I would try totally. Well that would I think
Speaker 1: it would be for those people like people with trauma
Speaker 1: or people with like no chill. It would be like,
Speaker 1: no chill, here's how to chill. Oh, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to write the handbook so I can follow it, like
Speaker 1: any good cult, give me some step by seven instructions.
Speaker 1: But we still have to shave our heads. Damn it
Speaker 1: already did that once. It really was not fitting on
Speaker 1: my face. Yeah, I shaved your head, yes, and I'm
Speaker 1: my head to shape shaped weird. So it was not great,
Speaker 1: but I liked the like fuzzy in between part. Maybe
Speaker 1: that would be what we do. Yeah, that's cute. I
Speaker 1: used to get like shapes and ship in my totally. Okay,
Speaker 1: would you like to start a secret conspiracy on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I mean I feel like once it's on
Speaker 1: the podcast, it's not secret, but I know that's like
Speaker 1: the the double edged sword of having a podcast. The
Speaker 1: one this is not my own, but the one conspiracy
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of down with is like count trails.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you think about them? Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: I could see that happening once or twice. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that every time you see them it's it's poison,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I can totally see them at
Speaker 1: one point in history poisoning neighborhood and being covered up,
Speaker 1: Like I can totally see that. Well, I mean, like
Speaker 1: the serial killer conversation. I just don't put much past
Speaker 1: people because there's such amazing people and then they're fucking
Speaker 1: scary people exactly. Okay, So Kim Trails and Okay, last question.
Speaker 1: It was, Oh, what's invisible that you wish people could see?
Speaker 1: I love this question. Um uh. I wish people could
Speaker 1: see when the other person didn't want to be having
Speaker 1: small talk, Like I feel like so many small talk
Speaker 1: conversations are both people are in hell and they don't
Speaker 1: know how to stop it. So I wish there was
Speaker 1: like a conversation prompt this just like you know, like
Speaker 1: I love bonding with someone at a party over like
Speaker 1: I hated here, or I just had the worst conversation,
Speaker 1: like like ship talking and gossip I think is really
Speaker 1: actually healthy and important. Um. So I wish people could
Speaker 1: see like they're like minded person, or like see social
Speaker 1: anxiety more or see like yeah, just it would be
Speaker 1: easier to match up with people and hanging out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have like have the brethren of hatred of small talk
Speaker 1: where you have like shine a light or there's a
Speaker 1: button where you're like get me out. I want totally totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just wish people could see what color I am
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm turquoise. I have a turquoise heart,
Speaker 1: and my aura's turquoise. I wish people could see my
Speaker 1: turquoise aura. Yeah, I want to know what my wora
Speaker 1: is I I totally see turquoise for you. But you're Leo,
Speaker 1: so that's a fire sign. So you might be like
Speaker 1: gravitated more towards the oranges and reds, but maybe not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know somebody that can take your
Speaker 1: or a photo though. It's fucking amazing. I'll send it.
Speaker 1: It's great. You should have to definitely report back and
Speaker 1: tell me what color you are. Okay, well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for just like bullshitting with me. I'm such
Speaker 1: a fan, and hopefully I'll meet you in real life
Speaker 1: one day. I know I would love that. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, so fun, Oh my god, thank you, and
Speaker 1: congratulations on being nominated for a bunch of Grammys and
Speaker 1: making awesome music and just being you you. Thank you
Speaker 1: all right, keep on creeping on. Thanks everybody for look me.