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Speaker 1: so I never remind myself to chill only people i'm

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Speaker 1: sleeping with, only to see your butt crack. Exactly. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Passion to Creepy. It's day and very super fan

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Speaker 1: girl excited to welcome Phoebe Bridgers. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being on here. I'm so excited. I'm such a fan.

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Speaker 1: This is so fun. The same, I'm such a fan

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to you. Do you believe in the supernatural?

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Speaker 1: So I've been telling everyone around the world that I've

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Speaker 1: to do and we're to stay and what to say

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00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: and how to behave Um. Yeah, it's like every call

428
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: to ever so yeah, which is also I'm not a

429
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: religious person. Are you religious? Not at all? Yeah? Yeah?

430
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: Me neither. Um, which also to me, like the difference

431
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: between a cult and religion. It's like, well, you're just

432
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: giving us like construction man, like a book on how

433
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: to be a person. A lot of that might be

434
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: helpful and seemingly good ideas, some of these things you're

435
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: saying I should do, But I don't really know the

436
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: difference between a cult and a religion if they're both

437
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: murdering other people that don't agree with them. So that's

438
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: why I kind of opt out of all of it. Yeah, totally.

439
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: It well, I think it weirdly gives people a god

440
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: complex if if they follow the rules of life and

441
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: they it's like a game or scientology or anything. It's

442
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: like I want to get to the highest level of

443
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: this thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, oh, it's so true.

444
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: It's like a video game. Totally. Do you play video games?

445
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: You know? I am afraid of what would happen to

446
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: me if I play video games. I've definitely had romantic

447
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: relationships with lots of people who play video games, and

448
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: I am jealous. I've never played a video game in

449
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: my life. Really surprises me. I have like I have.

450
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I played like an off

451
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: road video game, which I crushed at me, I say it,

452
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: But but as an adult, I've never played any of

453
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: the fun ones, which I should do. I don't know

454
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: see to me, it's kind of like the next dimension.

455
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think our brains are perceiving.

456
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: I think literally the next dimension is virtual reality. And

457
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: so I'm scared that once I go into that. It's

458
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: almost like my mom told me never to eat acid,

459
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: so I never did. She was like I was never

460
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: the same after I ate acid, And I'm kind of

461
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: nervous that going into video game world would be kind

462
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: of like once you see this whole new dimension, in

463
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: this whole new reality, then you can become obsessed with

464
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: it and want to just live in it all the time. Totally. Yeah, Well,

465
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: the Nine Boys showed me virtual reality, like in a

466
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: big headset. It was wild, like you're you walk off

467
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: of a building. Why would anybody do that? It was

468
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of awesome, like he gives you the same like

469
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: gut feeling of falling and and I'm obsessed with dreams too.

470
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: I canp're the closest thing to you know, another dimension

471
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: that we can get to. So it felt like that,

472
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: and it felt kind of like a dream state too,

473
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: where like it's not all fully formed, like it's such

474
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: early days of virtual reality that it's kind of like

475
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: low rent and that was even cooler to me. You know,

476
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm like stepping in a completely different world. Well, the

477
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: weird part is it feels real because you have this

478
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: thing on your face, so you'll get that adrenaline rush

479
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: of maybe kind of dying because I've seen the game

480
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: where you're talking about, right, you like walk on a

481
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: stick and then you fall off a building. Yeah, my

482
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: drummer Marshal like cry, oh my god. Yeah, but like

483
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: why do we all want to feel that way? That's

484
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: so sick, so sick. But yeah, that's kind of like one.

485
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I think dreams and virtual reality those are the two

486
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: things wherem like maybe that's the next dimension, or maybe

487
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: like that's visiting a different dimension, or maybe we're all

488
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: just a simulation. I'm trying to figure it out. That's

489
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: why i started podcast. I thought maybe you'll have some

490
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: answers for Well, I'm obsessed with anything that reframes your mindset,

491
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: whether it's meditation or video games or dreams or taking

492
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: a nice walk after reading side all day, like anything

493
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: that changes your mood, or like if you've ever been

494
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: to a James Drill exhibit, like why does this purple

495
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: make me feel sad, like I love that ship I

496
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: do too, Do you know Dan Flavin? No, Oh, it's

497
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: like this these artists that uses lots of neon. But

498
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: it's so interesting what a color can do to your mood. Totally,

499
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: and I love like I'm not at all in art snob.

500
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I just know that some things make me really happy

501
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and some things are scary. And you know, I don't

502
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: like what I like. I think like everybody, which is

503
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: why art is so confusing. I know I love that

504
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: because I love I love. I've been trying to articulate

505
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: this where I feel like it's easier for people to

506
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: say what music they like because or maybe it's just me.

507
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but like I hear a song

508
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: and I kind of immediately know if it's gonna affect me,

509
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: and it might take a couple of times to realize

510
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: if it's my favorite song I've ever heard or not.

511
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: But but I've been in so many galleries looking at

512
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: art where I'm like, am I supposed to like this?

513
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, like what is this? And then I've also

514
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: been brought to tears by a portrait in a random

515
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: gallery and every bes Russian body and that's so magical

516
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: to you, Like, I think that art people need to

517
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: trust their feeling on art Otherwise every like who would

518
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: who would listen to a song and be like it's

519
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: stupid they you like this? Like that person has some

520
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: serious problems. Oh I get that about my songs all

521
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: the time. I've been called a guilty pleasure for a

522
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: long time, which I'm totally fine with it. If people

523
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: need to do it in private, it's fine, Like, go

524
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: listen to my records in private and have a great time.

525
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: As long as it's like connecting and bringing somebody some

526
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: sort of something. I'm like, great, whatever. But I also

527
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's also a testament to how a

528
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: media we effective. Your music is, whereas I get like

529
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: boring all the time. Oh my god, your music is

530
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: the least boring thing ever. It's I think your music

531
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: is the least guilty, Like, like who would be guilty

532
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: of something that's just good? And I've always felt like

533
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: guilty pleasures um are kind of sexist, Like it's just

534
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: like this weird gate keeping. Um Like if if people

535
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: like this and it can dance to it, then it's

536
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: then you have to feel guilty about it. Like I'm like,

537
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to go see your fucking noise rock

538
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: band bro, like you know, oh my god preach or

539
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: like maybe I do, but I also want to go

540
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: see Britney Spears in Vegas exactly and eat my dick.

541
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That's where I'm at. Yeah, but your music

542
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: is don't not point. There's one lyric where like I

543
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: miss you like I'm a little kid or just like

544
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: a little kid, and like I relate to that like

545
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: deeply in my bones. When I heard that for the

546
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: first time, I was like, oh, like it's like earth

547
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: heart like, like I know that feeling, and I just

548
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: love the feeling when you hear it come out of

549
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: somebody else's mouth and you're like, fuck, that's exactly how

550
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was feeling, and they just

551
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: put it into words and it's like both happy and

552
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: sad and honest and like something I wouldn't necessarily have

553
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: said myself because I'm not in touch with myself enough

554
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: to know that I would feel that way. So I'm

555
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: just like super fan over here. I think you're grant.

556
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: What's funny. It's funny about music though, Like don't you

557
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: ever feel like when I wrote that lyric, I was

558
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck this person, I hate them, but

559
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: that's not a I was like, that's not a very

560
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: interesting song. I should try to make it sound more

561
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: complex than that, or like add some new feelings. And

562
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: so I wrote that, and then a couple of months

563
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: later I had the perspective to realize I was like

564
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: totally telling the truth. Yes, And do you ever feel

565
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: like when you're writing a song that you don't even

566
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: know what you're feeling until it literally falls out of

567
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: your face and then you listen to and you're like, oh, ship,

568
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was even feeling like that. Absolutely.

569
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like when your therapist looks at you like yo,

570
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: like what people say, like that's really pucked up, and

571
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: you're like, what are you talking about? I know that

572
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: feeling really really well, And then I'll be like, wait

573
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to have something on my face and she's like, no,

574
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: that's just real fucked up. Totally totally. But that's for

575
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: me when I write songs. I don't know if it's

576
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: like this for you, but it is like therapy. It's

577
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: like doing therapy for mass consumption and judgment, which is

578
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: the kind of sick messochistic part, but I really enjoy

579
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: the like therapeutic exorcism of demon like demonic thing part,

580
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: Like the making of it to me is so fun

581
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: me too. And and you meet people who connect with

582
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: your most inner sort of subconscious thoughts in a real

583
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: way and relate to you more than anybody. And you

584
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: also alienate people who fucking stuff like like for me,

585
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: I get a lot of like men's rights people on

586
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: my internet like being like fuck you or whatever, and

587
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is awesome. I was like I

588
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: have because I believe in my art and because I

589
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: like did a therapy session and monetized it, like I

590
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: am attracting the right people and pushing away the people

591
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: I never want to speak to me or look at me,

592
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: you know. Oh my god. Fuck yeah, I'm gonna butcher

593
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: the quote. But Kirk Coobaan said something along the lines

594
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: of like, if you're a homophobic or racist, and I

595
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: forget what else, are just like more or less a

596
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: piece of ship, don't buy my record. I don't want

597
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: your money. And that's how I feel too. I've been

598
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: um at the Westboro Baptist Church pay getting outside one

599
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: of my shows, and I was so proud of myself totally.

600
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom loved that ship. And I think

601
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: especially as like a white woman in America. In America,

602
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: it can feel like I'm like writing this line of like, um,

603
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: like benefiting so much from a system I hate. Uh.

604
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: And so when like I posted this thing about abortion

605
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: rights and like my actual fans were like, I think

606
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: that you're a murderer or whatever, people who like my music,

607
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, Like you've been listening to

608
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: my music and like crazy, like how did you? I've

609
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: had some weird experiences like that too, where I'm like,

610
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: have you been listening to the words? Though? Totally, like like,

611
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: I've been pretty upfront with how I feel. Well. Martin Scrully, uh,

612
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the guy who jacked up the AIDS medication prices and

613
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: it's like the most hated man of the time. He

614
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: like quoted Connor Oberst's political band in an interview once,

615
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: and Connor was like, what the fuck? How did you?

616
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: How did you hear my punk band? I think this

617
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: is like for you, Oh my god, that's so scary.

618
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: Do you'd sing a lot about death and being raised?

619
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: My mom's a total goth. She doesn't know, but she's

620
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: a total god. She loves talking about death, and like,

621
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of am too. I think quite

622
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: a fair amount about dying. Do you think it's like

623
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: something that drives you to be better? Is it just

624
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: something that freaks you out so much? Do you want

625
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: to address it? Or is like all the things I

626
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: weirdly think, like thinking about death is very weirdly relaxing

627
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: to me, Like it's just that sounds so you know,

628
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: but like, oh, I have a lot of friends who

629
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: write similar music to me, and death is like this

630
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: constant obsession that keeps them up at night and stuff

631
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm more afraid of, like waking life. I'm way more

632
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: afraid of life than I am of death. And it's

633
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: never been an obsession, but I am obsessed with the

634
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: things that people do in life, and and I've been

635
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: in love with a lot of people who are obsessed

636
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: with death, So I think I But but as far

637
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: as my relationship to death, I actually kind of feel like,

638
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the it's the most human experience

639
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: like that we all go through at some point, and

640
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: it's weird that we all have like a thing that

641
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: is what kills us. Um. But I think about it

642
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: as like an abstract thing more. I think about it

643
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: all the time, not to sound like a total goth,

644
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: but I think about how like relaxing it sounds. Yeah,

645
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: it sounds really relaxed, Like I'm going to live a

646
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: full life and enjoy my time on this plane, in

647
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: this this body I've been given. I'm gonna try to

648
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: just have like a really good time in it. But

649
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: like I've been reading a lot about the afterlife and

650
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: what what happens after you know, and does your soul

651
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: go somewhere and do you come back? And do you

652
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: reincarnate or do you turn into a mushroom or what?

653
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, who knows, nobody knows, but I do,

654
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: like obsessively wonder about these things. But I hope that

655
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: before I turn into a mushroom or a baby or

656
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: an alien or nothing, I hope I get to take

657
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: like a fucking nap, like a really long nap totally,

658
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: like they can then please be arrest. Between now and

659
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: the afterlife, there were no dreams, no dreams, just like

660
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: a deep, dark, damp nap totally. But I do I

661
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: want to come back, and I kind of want to

662
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: come back. There's a mushroom or a whale. Yeah thing. Yeah,

663
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: mushrooms are something I've never understood and and that are

664
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: so etherial to me. It would be cool too, like

665
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: the fact that they help trees communicate with like he's

666
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: sick in the forest. It's cool mushrooms. I think. I

667
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, not a fully formed thought here, but

668
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: I think mushrooms are maybe the key to higher consciousness

669
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: or maybe they're aliens or I don't know. I just

670
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: think there's something. Mushrooms are crazy little motherfucker's. Yeah, there's

671
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: something up with mushrooms. There's something. There's something going on

672
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: with them. Do you know about thin places? I think

673
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: that's a mushroom. But it's a Celtic thing, I think.

674
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: But it's basically like a thin place is the space

675
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: like spaces on Earth that are closer to a spirit

676
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: realm than than you know. It's like the place in

677
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: between basic Wait, yes, I never heard that term before.

678
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Obsessed obsessed, Like I constantly am looking for like a

679
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: beautiful hike to go on, and I feel like I

680
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: never know when the feeling is going to hit me,

681
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: but it but when it does, it's so magical. But yeah,

682
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: mushroom mushrooms, and like I'm obsessed with with like fancy

683
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: or one like hot hot chocolates and stuff was like

684
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: mushroom powder. Like I just want to be closer to

685
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: the nature. I feel like that my closest being in

686
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: nature moment is like the most what's what do you

687
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: call it? The thin places? So I get that way.

688
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this. When I'm

689
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: on stage and I have to be really really really

690
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: really present, oh my gosh, absolutely yes, that's one place.

691
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: And then if I'm like in the ocean and there's

692
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: like a shark or a whale or something like any

693
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: time and my adrenaline goes up, I feel like I

694
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: have to be present and being that present, I think

695
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: is like what you're talking about, totally yeah. Or or

696
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: if I have like a really really intense crush, I

697
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: think I love a crush, like it just it. I

698
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: feel like I don't give a fuck so much of

699
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, I've also had the experience

700
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: of of like right before I go on stage, or

701
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: even being on stage and being like this is a

702
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: hundredth time I've done this. Like I used to get

703
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: adrenaline doing this and now I don't um, but like

704
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: those first couple of shows or like the last couple

705
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: of shows and you're like accidentally totally in your body.

706
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm just addicted to that feeling me too, The fully

707
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: present like that seems to me like it's like being

708
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: in touch with your higher highest self is when you're

709
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: that present. Yeah, and when you're like ready to be

710
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: perceived also. I think that's what's also been hard about

711
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: this year, like realizing how much I will let myself

712
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: go mentally and physically if I am not being siege

713
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: all the time. Like if I if I put on

714
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: my stage costume and I am singing my hardest, I'm like,

715
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: this is I am presenting myself? Yeah, like a peacock

716
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: totally totally. But then like do peacocks fluff up if

717
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: there's no ladies to impress around? Yeah? True? If a

718
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: peacock shoots in the woods, the hope does he fluff up? No?

719
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have no one to fluff

720
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: your feathers for, then do you fluff them? And without

721
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: the fluffing, who are you? I mean? Maybe if they

722
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: had the Internet, Like I have friends who during COVID

723
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: were like I put on makeup today for some reason,

724
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: but I know about it because they put it online. Yeah,

725
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: that is a nice place to dump some sort of

726
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: like purpose is like online if I need like a

727
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: like a purposeful thing where I'm like, oh, I did

728
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: a thing, put it out there because I did this

729
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: thing and everyone needs to know. I don't know why

730
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: everyone needs to see it, but they do. Yeah. I

731
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: love that. It's such a weird feeling because like that

732
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't exist when I was really little, Like there was

733
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: none of that, and so all of a sudden then

734
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: being like, oh, every time I literally take a piss

735
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: or change my shoes, I'm gonna tell the whole world

736
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: all about it. It's a weird. It's weird life for

737
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: living in. My makeup artist was telling me, wait, I'm

738
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna funk this up. Have you heard about the icelandic

739
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: volcano activity that maybe is sparking a hundred years of

740
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: activity of volcanic eruptions. No, Basically, do you think this

741
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: is the end of times? I think I've always, like,

742
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: more than death or anything, I've always felt like the

743
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: end of times we're coming. Um, like, have we arrived?

744
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: Are we there? I don't think we're so lucky. I

745
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: think we have more years, you know what, and like

746
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: I feel like there's gonna be so much destruction and

747
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: stuff before the end of times for real. So I

748
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: think in my obsession with death has led me into

749
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: wanting to lead an extraordinarily exciting life because I'm like,

750
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: we maybe come back, or maybe we turn into a mushroom.

751
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: So the death pushed me to do a bunch of

752
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: crazy ship this lifetime. In the process, I've got addicted

753
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: to that feeling of like that adrenaline feeling you're talking about,

754
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: but also just being super super presently, having to be

755
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: super fucking present. So I like love swimming with sharks

756
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. I like doing things like maybe it could

757
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: kill me, but then when it does and I'm like,

758
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: oh that was awesome. Damn I wish I could. I

759
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: saw a shark in the water in Melody once and

760
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: I like didn't get in the ocean like a year

761
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: really obviousit reaction. I'm way more scared of pain than

762
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I am of death. Like, yeah, I'm afraid of discomfort

763
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: in pain so much more than enough. But is it

764
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: pain necessary to write music? May be the only one

765
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: that thinks this. I feel like it's like absolutely necessary

766
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: when I'm writing music. Yeah, I think pain is necessary,

767
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: and I definitely definitely don't avoid emotional pain as much

768
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: as I should. But it's like physical pain. So you

769
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: don't have any tattoos. I do. I love tattoos, So

770
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, I just mean like unpredictable, uncontrolled pain,

771
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: like you like a shark bite or even I went

772
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: surfreaking a couple of times and I got like crushed

773
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: by a wave and like hurt my lower back and

774
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: I was just like how for like three months. I

775
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: hate that, um, But but I love getting tattoos. It's

776
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: like controlled and you're like so many people do it,

777
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's fine. Yeah, it's totally fine.

778
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: People have been doing it since the dawn of Well,

779
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't actually know. This is not a fact people

780
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: get tattoos, and I think it's been recorded for a

781
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: very very very long time totally. So I have a

782
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: bunch of kind of wish I hadn't got some of them.

783
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, really, I think I think if

784
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: you only have incredible tattoos, you're a cop, or you're

785
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: a serial killer, totally like I think, or you are

786
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: a Barrista and you add intelligence yet exactly like I

787
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: think bad tattoos are part of life. They are they

788
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: tell a story. Yeah, and and also like who gives

789
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: a ship Like you're not it's not gonna keep you

790
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: up at night at a bad tattoo, Like you're just

791
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, this is my bad tattoo. Like

792
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: I love those people, you know, Like check out my

793
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: friend griff In DAWs. He plays um drums, has a

794
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: basketball going into a hoop that's a swish. Oh no,

795
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's like read like a child to I

796
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: have no idea who did it? But that was amazing?

797
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Did he know it was bad going into it? I

798
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: honestly have no idea, but I love his just like,

799
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, here's my horrible tatoo. Oh I have so many.

800
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I have so many worst. I have narwalls dancing on

801
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: my arm. I have. Here's the worst tattoo I have.

802
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: It says on my fucking arm. It says chill. I

803
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: love that. I hate it. There's nothing about that chills.

804
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: What the funk was? I think? What? Like, like, honestly,

805
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: the truth for so many, like the answered to so

806
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: many questions is chill you know, how is my reasoning

807
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: behind it? But like, I don't have that part of

808
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: my brain has not yet been activated. My friend Hayley,

809
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: who's in Slappy Gaine, Uh this awesome band, has a

810
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: tattoo on her inner thigh that's says scratch and sniff.

811
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And she was like so many people

812
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: when she was getting in it was like, what about

813
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: when you're old? And she was like, especially when I'm old. Oh,

814
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: I love I love an older person with shitty tattoo.

815
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: Like I once put this guy when I went to sundance,

816
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: like way before I ever had like any money. So

817
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm walking in this note I find a hundred dollar bill.

818
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: I feel like a fucking baller. And this guy is like,

819
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: do you need a ride? Shouldn't have taken the ride?

820
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Took the ride. He drops me off of my place

821
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: everybody lives he has. He's like, you want to see

822
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: all my tattoos. He has covered in tattoos of people

823
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: in different sexual positions, just having sex the lover's body. Wow,

824
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: he's disgusting. That's interesting gross. Yeah, that's fucking gross. I

825
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: am still on the daily hunt for my lower back

826
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: tattoo though, like, oh, you don't have one yet. You

827
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: could get chill in a different language. Yeah, I should

828
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: get chill in a different language, um, like one that

829
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: you don't speak, and probably maybe it'll be spelled wrong.

830
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: And I have a tattoo gun. Okay wait, I have

831
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: like a couple of stupid, stupid questions. If you don't

832
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: like one, say pass. If you like one, you can

833
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: answer it. Okay. If you had a cult, what would

834
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: your manifesto be, um, chill? I kind of though it

835
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: would kind of be like chill would live left Loo

836
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: or something like. It would just be like, you know,

837
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have any creepy sex or any mandatory anything

838
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: other than just like relax. You know. I love that

839
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: I would join. I would not know how to chill,

840
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: but I would try totally. Well that would I think

841
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: it would be for those people like people with trauma

842
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: or people with like no chill. It would be like,

843
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: no chill, here's how to chill. Oh, you're gonna have

844
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: to write the handbook so I can follow it, like

845
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: any good cult, give me some step by seven instructions.

846
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: But we still have to shave our heads. Damn it

847
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: already did that once. It really was not fitting on

848
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: my face. Yeah, I shaved your head, yes, and I'm

849
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Speaker 1: my head to shape shaped weird. So it was not great,

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Speaker 1: but I liked the like fuzzy in between part. Maybe

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00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: that would be what we do. Yeah, that's cute. I

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00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: used to get like shapes and ship in my totally. Okay,

853
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Speaker 1: would you like to start a secret conspiracy on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I mean I feel like once it's on

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00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: the podcast, it's not secret, but I know that's like

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00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: the the double edged sword of having a podcast. The

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Speaker 1: one this is not my own, but the one conspiracy

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Speaker 1: that I'm kind of down with is like count trails.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you think about them? Yeah, I'm like

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Speaker 1: I could see that happening once or twice. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that every time you see them it's it's poison,

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Speaker 1: but I was like, I can totally see them at

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00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: one point in history poisoning neighborhood and being covered up,

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Speaker 1: Like I can totally see that. Well, I mean, like

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Speaker 1: the serial killer conversation. I just don't put much past

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Speaker 1: people because there's such amazing people and then they're fucking

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00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: scary people exactly. Okay, So Kim Trails and Okay, last question.

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Speaker 1: It was, Oh, what's invisible that you wish people could see?

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Speaker 1: I love this question. Um uh. I wish people could

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Speaker 1: see when the other person didn't want to be having

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Speaker 1: small talk, Like I feel like so many small talk

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Speaker 1: conversations are both people are in hell and they don't

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Speaker 1: know how to stop it. So I wish there was

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Speaker 1: like a conversation prompt this just like you know, like

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Speaker 1: I love bonding with someone at a party over like

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Speaker 1: I hated here, or I just had the worst conversation,

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Speaker 1: like like ship talking and gossip I think is really

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Speaker 1: actually healthy and important. Um. So I wish people could

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Speaker 1: see like they're like minded person, or like see social

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Speaker 1: anxiety more or see like yeah, just it would be

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Speaker 1: easier to match up with people and hanging out. Yeah,

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00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: have like have the brethren of hatred of small talk

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Speaker 1: where you have like shine a light or there's a

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Speaker 1: button where you're like get me out. I want totally totally. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just wish people could see what color I am

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Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm turquoise. I have a turquoise heart,

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00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: and my aura's turquoise. I wish people could see my

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00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: turquoise aura. Yeah, I want to know what my wora

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Speaker 1: is I I totally see turquoise for you. But you're Leo,

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Speaker 1: so that's a fire sign. So you might be like

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00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: gravitated more towards the oranges and reds, but maybe not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know somebody that can take your

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00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: or a photo though. It's fucking amazing. I'll send it.

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Speaker 1: It's great. You should have to definitely report back and

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Speaker 1: tell me what color you are. Okay, well, thank you

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00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 1: so much for just like bullshitting with me. I'm such

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Speaker 1: a fan, and hopefully I'll meet you in real life

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00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: one day. I know I would love that. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, so fun, Oh my god, thank you, and

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Speaker 1: congratulations on being nominated for a bunch of Grammys and

901
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: making awesome music and just being you you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all right, keep on creeping on. Thanks everybody for look me.