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Speaker 2: Hell for me, I'm a man, I'm for it. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Ato Steak is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Dan yell, welcome back to the show,

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Speaker 1: my friend. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great?

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Speaker 3: Ty.

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Speaker 2: You know when you're watching, uh, like a TV movie

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Speaker 1: Top movie toop left right.

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Speaker 2: Well even sometimes you get like the full like before

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Speaker 2: Jackass on MTV, like do not perform these stunts at home?

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Speaker 2: That kind of thing. Right, there's just like an alert

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Speaker 2: to people. We've just finished recording our interview. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 2: It was great, he's great. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a great list to anybody even remotely interested in

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Speaker 2: I think it's great for you. The disclaimer here, the

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Speaker 2: warning here. Tie is about to pronounce the Miami head

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Speaker 2: coach's named Mary. Oh did I do about seventy three times?

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Speaker 1: Man, So it's like the one thing I can't deprogram.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you you should deprogram it.

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Speaker 2: That is how you are. You genuinely and that is

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Speaker 2: the authentic Tie. And I wouldn't have you do it

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Speaker 2: any other way. But because you haven't said his name

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Speaker 1: Was like, oh, right, wrote it phonetically on my question sheet?

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Swear to god, I wrote it phonetically

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Speaker 1: because I am trying to not No, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: the way he does no, no, no, that's how everybody

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Speaker 2: in your region of the world would pronounce's that name.

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Speaker 1: My hometown the big pizza place was Marios, and everybody,

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Speaker 1: literally everybody I know calls it Marios, of course, But

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling wrote it phonetically. I still watched it.

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Speaker 2: I apologize super Mario, Mario Cuomo, you take your pick,

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Speaker 2: Mario Andretti. Right, it's Mario Andretti. Yeah, yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to tell people don't drive off the road. It's common.

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Speaker 1: It's the Eastern PA and me I apologize, welcome love

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Speaker 1: with that preamble, I am ty, he is Dan.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Today is our chat with Manny Navarro from the Athletic

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Speaker 1: talking about all things Miami football. We had Manny on

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Speaker 1: about two years ago. I checked it was March thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We did a year one debrief talking

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Speaker 1: about the now I can't even say his first team, the.

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Speaker 2: Crystal Ball, the Crystal Ball regime. I know, I'm in

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Speaker 2: your head now, yeah, the Crystal Ball regime. Just to

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Speaker 2: get that year one debrief and figure out how it

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Speaker 2: all went. Of course, it didn't go as well then

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Speaker 2: as it did now. Ten and three season, the first

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about that. Expectations, where's the fan base,

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Speaker 1: adur people going to games, Carson Beck coming in? Are

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Speaker 1: they I don't know, more organized now that when they

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Speaker 1: these things I think we need to discuss with Manny.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years after the fact.

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Speaker 2: You could argue and I'd say this as a positive thing.

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Speaker 2: You could argue Miami's twenty twenty four was the most

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Speaker 2: purely entertaining TV show of the college football season, just

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Speaker 2: But with now like the week long or the three

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Speaker 2: make it fun to look at. And Miami absolutely did that.

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Speaker 1: yours truly, who does represent the Miami Hurricanes in video

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Speaker 1: game form? That has been my baby for the last

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Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations to you in your team.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I am a Miami Hurricane, if

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Speaker 1: only in video game spirit. With that being said, let's

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Speaker 1: dive right in. Yes, all right, Dan, let's talk some Canes.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. We've got Manny Navarro on from the

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Speaker 1: athletic bringing him back. I guess it's been about two years.

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Speaker 1: I went back and checked Manny. Hi you been man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. I noticed I'm a little more gray

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Speaker 4: than I was two years old.

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Speaker 2: Sam Man. We all man, look at tis temples. It's

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Speaker 1: And me obviously, Manny so ten and three last year

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Speaker 1: Mario's best season yet, at least in terms of wins

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Speaker 1: going one overall. There was just the news about Jackson Cantwell,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on in the Miami football ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: are like, Wow, Mario is making progress. Things are going well,

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Speaker 4: So I think from that perspective, yes, I think knowing

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Speaker 4: You know, Brandley's started twenty four games in his career.

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Speaker 4: Zachariah Poyser from Jacksonville State, the safety was All Conference

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Speaker 4: So you've upgraded in ways just from a pure talent

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch. Ruben Bain

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Speaker 4: Then that allows a lot of the young guys that

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Speaker 4: I think the key is what you guys just said.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that Mario Christabal has a vision for

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Speaker 4: I think Mario wants to be able to hand the

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Speaker 4: don't know. I think they will. I think they're going

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Speaker 4: Lance Gidrie tried his best to tinker with what he

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Speaker 3: But honestly, I blame Mario.

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Speaker 4: I blame Mario for the way that secondary looked last year,

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Speaker 4: because we talked about it at the ACC meetings. I said, dude,

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Speaker 3: We'll be fine. Weren't fine, you know.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully they've addressed those positions enough and they have

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Speaker 1: Manny Dan brings up a really interesting question about vision,

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Speaker 1: There's clearly more of a system in place. Bigger picture,

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Speaker 4: I went to have some coffee with somebody in October

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: They were just going to trust him to upgrade the

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Speaker 3: And he's had the backing that he's needed to this point. Right.

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Speaker 4: They went out and they boughtcam More. They gave them

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Speaker 4: I've been told repeatedly they believe they have a top five,

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Speaker 1: Is their alignment. Is their alignment from the standpoint of administration,

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Speaker 1: Carson Beck's going to be the quarterback this year, provided

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 4: The biggest question I have about this team is the

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Speaker 2: How did it all come together with Carson Beck? Obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but why, I mean obviously, you know the dating

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Speaker 4: And I honestly thought the moment they went out and

441
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 4: got Carson that Emery was going to take off. He

442
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 4: just graduated in two and a half. I guess there's

443
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 4: still a possibility that he could decide to take off,

444
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 4: which would leave Miami with a red shirt freshman and

445
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 4: Emy I'm sorry, and Judd Anderson and then Luke Nickel,

446
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 4: a true.

447
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: Freshman, just got there.

448
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 4: But we'll see what happens in the fall if you

449
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: finds somewhere else to go. At this point, I think

450
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: Emory's going to stick around one more year to be

451
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 4: the backup. But I think the state of their quarterback

452
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 4: position moving forward, they're really excited about Luke Nickel. I

453
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: think they're really excited about their twenty twenty six commitment

454
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 4: Darion Coleman, who they sort of consider another cam Ward.

455
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 3: They look at him sort of the same way.

456
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: So I think Mario feels like, hey, this might be

457
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 4: the last year we have to take a transfer quarterback.

458
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: But it's all going to depend on development.

459
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: I think of Luke Nickel, can he behind the scenes

460
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 4: really turn into that guy.

461
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: That you can just hand the reins to going into

462
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.

463
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 2: And last year was of course, it was a good

464
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: situation for cam Ward with the line where it was,

465
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 2: with the receivers as experienced. He know, Xavier Ostrepo in

466
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: his fifth season, record setting risks. We're bringing in Damian

467
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: Martinez with that kind of experience and pop. This is

468
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: a new looking offense. What is the job that Shannon Dawson,

469
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: who I think did an excellent job last year, This

470
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: was probably the most prolific offense in America. What is

471
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: the job that he has ahead of them in terms

472
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: of bringing so many new faces together.

473
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Speaker 4: I think it's just keeping guys happy, and you never

474
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 4: really know what that's going to mean. Right Like last year,

475
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 4: a lot of those guys have played together, Xavier Ristrepo, Jacolby, George,

476
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 4: you had Elijah Royo, like those guys had been able

477
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 4: to spend a lot of time together in practice. Hey,

478
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 4: I respect this guy, he works hard. I could, But

479
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: now you've got so many new pieces. I mentioned you

480
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: know CJ. Daniels, Killen Marry and Tony Johnson, three guys

481
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: that weren't here with this program last year that are

482
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 4: viewed as the experienced receivers. Well, those guys didn't even

483
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 4: get to go through spring with Jojo Trader and Raray.

484
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: Joseph and Nikar and all the young guys.

485
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Speaker 4: You know, is there going to be a conflict that

486
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 4: on the receiver room if you know those the three

487
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: transfers are the only guys getting in football. Is Jojo

488
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 4: Trader are going to be happy. So you don't know

489
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: that dynamic in the locker room. Yet I think everywhere

490
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: else on this team there's you may not have those

491
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: chemistry issues. I think Carson everybody knows Carson's to die.

492
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: It's pretty clear cut that you know that none of

493
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks are going to be up in arms because he's.

494
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: Getting all the snaps.

495
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: Everybody knows Mark Fletcher and Jordan Lyle are going to

496
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 4: be the guys they put in their time last year.

497
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: So I think ultimately it's it's receiver and do you

498
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 4: have a conflict there? So can can you know, really,

499
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: Shannon Dawson keep those guys happy and keep things harmonious Manny.

500
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Speaker 1: Over the years, it's not just us, but a bunch

501
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: of people have had fun with the whole Texas's Back thing.

502
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: But there's also been a conversation about Miami recapturing the

503
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote swagger of the eighties and nineties. How close

504
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: is Miami to being back the you being back? Is

505
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: it already back?

506
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: No?

507
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Speaker 4: I mean we've we were here with Mark Rick a

508
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, got to the a SEC Championship game,

509
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: won ten games, and then they went in reverse. They

510
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 4: will be back when they win the conference championship. They

511
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: have to win something. They have to win something, and

512
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 4: I think Mario knows it. You know, if you're going

513
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: to get complete in total buying from recruits in South

514
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: Florida and in areas where you like to go and

515
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 4: get recruits. Right now, the money's great, right, Miami's paying

516
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 4: guys top dollar to come here. But if you don't

517
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: keep this run going in the NFL Draft, if you

518
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: don't keep if you don't start getting to the AEC

519
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: championship game in the college football playoff, then it's just

520
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: an empty message. So to me, they're not back until

521
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: they win something.

522
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Speaker 1: And is that the expectation that you hear from the

523
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: fan base?

524
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Speaker 3: Like?

525
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Where how does what Manny Navarro thinks line up with

526
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: the Miami fan base.

527
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: Have you not met Miami fans?

528
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a little delirious. No.

529
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 4: I think that the diehards that have been around this

530
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: program and pour a lot of money into it in

531
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: their own ways, right with tickets and going to games

532
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 4: and tailgating and all that, they probably feel the same

533
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: way too. It's been twenty years of this right of

534
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 4: just being an irrelevant team, and so I think for

535
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: them before they completely buy into Mario, and I think

536
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 4: they're in the same boat with me, I really do.

537
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: I think a lot of what I hear from them

538
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: is that that, hey, he's got to do something first

539
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: before I'm really sold that he's going to fix this.

540
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: What do you see him, Mario Cristobal? What do you

541
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: see him needing to do from a personal development standpoint? Obviously,

542
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: either were the embarrassing late losses in the last two

543
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: or three years. Last season, it was losing two inferior

544
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: teams from a talent standpoint, in Georgia Tech and Syracuse,

545
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: obviously with an uncharacteristically down offensive performance in there some

546
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: early season dramatic finishes against Cal and Virginia Tech, which look,

547
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: win your close games, win your games where you're not

548
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: playing particularly well. That is a positive thing. Where is

549
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: his personal development in terms of a timeline? What does

550
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: he need to improve upon?

551
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 4: Still, well, I think we took a step forward from hey,

552
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: let's let's run out the football and fumble it and

553
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 4: lose to Georgia Tech. Right, yeah, great, I think I

554
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: think we've kind of walked away from that that problem

555
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: and and uh, you know clock management. I think he's

556
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: getting a little bit better at that. Ultimately, look, Mario

557
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: is an offensive line coach. That's what he is. He

558
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 4: is a guy who that's what he cares about. That's

559
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: where his focus, that's where his expertise is. He needs

560
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 4: great offensive and defensive coordinators around him from an ex's

561
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: and o's perspective, and so I think going to Greg

562
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 4: Ciano and trusting Greg Ciano and his opinion on Corey Heatherman,

563
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: if that works out for him, he's gonna look.

564
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: Like a much smarter coach sure than he did a

565
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: year ago. And so that's what he needs.

566
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 4: And in the moment, you know, if Mario to me,

567
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: Mario has to marry himself to some of these guys,

568
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: like he's got to be able to hold on the

569
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: Shannon Austin. If this offense is going to be top

570
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: ten every single year, which is not easy.

571
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: We know that people are going to come and offer

572
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: head coaching jobs, et cetera.

573
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: But if he can hold on to these guys for

574
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: a few years, he can have a whole lot of

575
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: success because recruiting, convincing players that come to your program,

576
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: coaching the offensive defensive line, which we know is two

577
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: most important positions on the field besides quarterback. Then you know,

578
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: this guy's a limit at Miami. You can win here

579
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: because you've got a budget and everything else you need.

580
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: One of the things Mario's talked about in terms of

581
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: what Miami has is historically the ability to open your

582
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: door and swing a cat and find, you know, five

583
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: hundred blue chip recruits. The last time you were on

584
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: this show, you talked about how awful the state of

585
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: high school football in Florida in Miami is just in

586
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: terms of money, infrastructure, coaching, recruiting, infrastructure. Has it gotten

587
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: any better? Has it gotten any worse? What is the

588
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: state of high school football in Florida, which has obviously

589
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: been the lifeline for the lifeblood for Miami football.

590
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, still not better.

591
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: I know that the state is trying to do stuff

592
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: to raise the salaries of these football coaches to try

593
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: to hold on to them and not see them leave

594
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: to Georgia and other states that take care of their

595
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: high school coaches. But I think this is probably going

596
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 4: to be a problem that never goes away. The budgets

597
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: school budgets here just aren't what they need to be.

598
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: You know, the one thing I will say is a

599
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: lot of these top players have sort of gravitated towards

600
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: the private schools that have a little bit more funding.

601
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: You've seen a lot of transfers, you know, going to

602
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: the Hollywood Shamanads and Saint Thomas aquinas Is and American heritages.

603
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: Of the world.

604
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: So maybe that's where they have to go to get

605
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: the coaching and the player development that they need. But

606
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: I just don't think it's a problem that's ever really

607
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: going to go away, at least from the public school perspective.

608
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: Mario has always been an excellent recruiter, and you see

609
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: some of the players that were in some of his

610
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: early classes, highlighted probably by Francis Maleygoo, the right tackle,

611
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: who was a developmental superstar. Right comes in, right away, star,

612
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: it's the right tackle. It as one of the best

613
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: in the country. How would you evaluate all the job

614
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: he has done in identifying and his coaching staff and

615
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: developing the homegrown guys. And he's recruited nationally to be fair,

616
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: so he hasn't been stubborn about only recruiting South Florida.

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: How is he done in terms of talent evaluation talent development?

618
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's done a good job identifying guys.

619
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: The problem in today's game is recruits are going to

620
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: take off if you're not playing within one or two years.

621
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: And I just looked this up the other day. I

622
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: think there's thirteen of the twenty six players that Miami

623
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: signed in the twenty twenty three class have already left

624
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: via the Quartah. Yeah, and this isn't just Miami problem.

625
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: This is a lot of people in college football. So

626
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: you talk about, you know, developing guys, people just don't

627
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: want to sit around and wait. They all want to

628
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: have the three year plan, right, three years go to

629
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: the NFL. And so he's had to use the transfer

630
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: portal quite a bit to upgrade this roster. I think

631
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: where he's done well is identifying guys that are the

632
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: right fit from a personality perspective, from a you know,

633
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: can they be a Miami guy, so to speak, Can

634
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: they come in and feel comfortable there. Keem Mesador is

635
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: a Canadian guy, right, He's he played at West Virginia.

636
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: He's come in and fit in just fine in South Florida.

637
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: You know everybody else that they've sort of targeted from

638
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: other schools. I feel like that's The number one thing

639
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: Mario looks for is can they fit in. Can cam

640
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: Ward who's from Houston come in here and really fit

641
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: the personality of this team. Damian Martinez from another guy

642
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: from Texas who was at Oregon State, Can he come

643
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: in here? So he just does a really good job

644
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: I think of identifying fits. And to this point, to

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: your point about developing guys quietly behind the scenes, that's happened, right.

646
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: I think Mark Fletcher is ready now to be the

647
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: guy in the backfield for Miami. With Jordan Lyle, who's

648
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: another homegrown South Florida product, Jojo Trader, Miami Central product.

649
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: He's ready to develop.

650
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Into a star receiver this year from Miami.

651
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: So they've taken some guys. Ruben Bain certainly is a

652
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: perfect ample of a local kid. I just think to

653
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: this point Mario has had to continue to use the

654
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: portal to build something that is actually competitive on the field.

655
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: Until he gets to the point.

656
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: Where he can stack classes and those guys stick around,

657
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: we can't say that he's reached the level where he

658
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: wants to go to in terms of developing players.

659
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: And in terms of where Miami is with regard to

660
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: convincing people in Miami to go to Miami games. Miami

661
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: put out one of the most electric offenses in the

662
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: country last season with the number one overall quarterback pick

663
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: who was a sensational watch. Has there been progress made

664
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Speaker 2: towards convincing people to show up to an inconvenient place

665
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: in terms of where people are when they're visiting Miami,

666
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: if they're living in the city proper. Has there been

667
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: progress in you know, in terms of marketing and getting

668
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: butts in seats?

669
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: I think so.

670
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: I think the attendance numbers improved last year. You know,

671
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: there was less feeling of, hey, this place is empty.

672
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: You know they're lying about the attendance. I mean, look,

673
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: I don't know that Soft Loarridians will ever get there

674
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: on time, right. I've taken plenty of pre kickoff photos

675
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: where there's plenty of empty seats and people are buying

676
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: beers and still walking to their seats. But yeah, look,

677
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: I think the place there is a home field atmosphere

678
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: at games, and I think you didn't really feel that

679
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: for a while at hard Rock Stadium.

680
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: I think you're starting to gravitate towards that.

681
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: Certainly, playing as well as they did last year at

682
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: home helped, and look if they beat Notre Dame on

683
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: August thirty first and beat Florida.

684
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: I think that place is going to be packed and

685
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: loud the rest of the season.

686
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: And obviously, the the Miami messaging, the Miami excitement resonated

687
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: last I think it was last week when the best

688
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: offensive tackle according to a lot of people in the

689
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: high school ranks, Jackson Cantwell, decided to commit to Miami,

690
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: which is honestly one of the most understandable decisions given

691
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Miami's history and developing or Mario Cristoball's and Alex Meerbal's

692
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: history developing offensive lineman. With what you've talked about in

693
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: terms of Miami's nil packages. Was that a surprise to you?

694
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: It seemed to be a surprise to a lot of

695
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: people who follow recruiting on a team level. How did

696
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: that all come together?

697
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: I spoke to Jackson at the under Armour All American

698
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: Game in December, and when I found out he was

699
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: represented by Drew Rosenhaus, I had a pretty good feeling

700
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: Miami was going to have a chance to get him,

701
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 4: in large part because Drew does so much business with

702
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: Miami Hurricanes over the years in South Florida, being based

703
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: in South Florida and so and the one thing that

704
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: stuck out to me about Jackson and I put this

705
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: on in my column the day of was this was

706
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: a kid that didn't feel like he had to go

707
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: to Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson.

708
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: To go to the NFL.

709
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: Like he could see Francis Mauinoa and the success he's

710
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: having and say, you know what, I can go to

711
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: the ACC and dominate and be a dude from day

712
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: one and be out in three years and go to

713
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: the NFL and be a first round pick.

714
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: Right.

715
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: He saw the example with with Mario's former offensive tackle

716
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: at Oregon and Penny Suol the same thing. So to me,

717
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: I wasn't shocked. Was I was hearing a lot of Georgia.

718
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: I thought, Okay, maybe this is it. He's going to

719
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: stick to the SEC and go there. But in the end,

720
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: I was not shocked because, again, like I said, the

721
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 4: fact that he was represented by the Rosenhaus firm, to me,

722
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: put Miami in a unique position to actually land him.

723
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: What is the state of how Mario and this recruiting

724
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: staff are recruiting nationally regionally Obviously They're going to be

725
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: always very aggressive in state, But is this a special

726
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: case where they went after, you know, an offensive lineman.

727
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: They're going to go after offensive lineman if they're coming

728
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: from Missouri or Alaska or Italy wherever. Has Has anything shifted?

729
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Have they you know, sunk roots into more and more

730
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: states further and further away or is it just sort

731
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: of still case by case.

732
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: I think it's case by case. But they're doing a

733
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: good job nationally recruiting now. You know, they've lined into

734
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: Georgia quite a bit over the last few years and

735
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: landing some good players out of Georgia. I've seen them

736
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: go into you know, places like Ohio and North Carolina

737
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: and land guys. But again, you're on a clock with

738
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: every single one of these out of state recruits because

739
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: so many of them, if they're not within a position

740
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: to start or to be a contributor by year two,

741
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: it's like they all want to hit the road and

742
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: get a fresh start elsewhere. So, yes, they are recruiting nationally,

743
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: they are doing a better job, but I think the

744
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: jury is still out. I want to see where they're

745
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: at in three or four years. Do all the out

746
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 4: of state guys stick around or do we see guys

747
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 4: come in from California and Washington and Texas and just say,

748
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going back home after year and

749
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 4: a half. It's just landing them and having them in

750
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: your program. For you and a half, that's great, it

751
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: helps you recruiting rankings. But again, if they're all taken

752
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 4: off and leaving, then you're just kind of wasting your time.

753
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: It's final question for me, real simple one, but maybe

754
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: difficult to answer. Is Mario christ Ball happy he got

755
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: what he wanted. He got to come home, He's closer

756
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to family, He's in a familiar place. This is a job,

757
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: no matter where you are, that has come with new

758
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: pressures every year, portal, nil, realignment, everything that comes with

759
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: being a head coach at a major place. For some people,

760
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: it can be Jim Harbaugh and win national championship and

761
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: be all sorts of glory. It could be Scott Frost

762
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: and less. So how's his head doing.

763
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: I think his head and his heart are happy that

764
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 4: they got the ten wins. I think he views it

765
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 4: as hey, we reached a point where I can feel

766
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: something tangible, like we got somewhere. At the same time,

767
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: I also think there's a lot of regret that they

768
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: couldn't take advantage of having the number one overall pick

769
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 4: on their team and get to the AEC championship team.

770
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: And so that's why he went as hard as he

771
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: did in the transfer portal to upgrade the secondary and

772
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: to find a defensive coordinator and to fix this because

773
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: he feels like they are a lot closer now than

774
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: the moment he walked in the door. And obviously, you

775
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: look at this roster, it's vastly different from a size

776
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 4: perspective on the offensive and defensive lines. And so he's

777
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: upgraded in every way he's wanted to. Now he's just

778
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: got to go out there and win. And so I

779
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: think from a personal perspective, he's happy. I think he

780
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: really feels like they are close to getting to where

781
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: they want to be.

782
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: Manny, this is the final, final question. Okay, all right,

783
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: following the team as closely as you do, clearly following

784
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: these storylines as things have emerged here in the springtime,

785
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: do you have a pet player, a pet storyline, something

786
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: that is of maybe more interest to you than the

787
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: fan base proper?

788
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if I look at this team and

789
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 4: I say, Ruben Bain. I mentioned it briefly. Ruben Bain

790
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: is the example of a Miami born player who is

791
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: a national recruit who ultimately decided to stay home and

792
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 4: pick Miami in a time when really it's not cool

793
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: to pick Miami. Right they haven't been very good. Now

794
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 4: that they're spending money, sure it's nice, suddenly everybody in

795
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: the country wants to come play here again. But I

796
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: think Ruben sort of is the example of can Mario

797
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: take somebody as talented as Ruben and help them get

798
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 4: to the next level turn him into a first round pick.

799
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: Miami coaches have failed at that for the better part

800
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: of the last twenty years. Look at the NFL Draft.

801
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 4: Once Andrew Swayze was gone, he was a big part

802
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: of their personal trainer with a lot of these guys

803
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: that went pro and became Pro bowlers in the NFL.

804
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: Once Miami kind of went the Al Golden years and

805
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: Mark Rick years, things just kind of went by the wayside.

806
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: And Ruben Bains me is the guy that if Mark

807
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 4: Christo Ball is going to turn around and go to

808
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: recruits in two years and say hey, I can bring

809
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 4: you in to my program and truly develop you, stay

810
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: home trust me, I can do this. Ruben Bain is

811
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: that guy. He's got to be that shining example for Mario.

812
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: Because you mentioned Francis Maluinoa. You know he's not of

813
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: state guy, a freak, a guy that they got from

814
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 4: iamg Academy and recruited their butt off, and he's a

815
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: special time.

816
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: Ruben Bain is homegrown.

817
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: And to me, if Miami's going to start winning all

818
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 4: these important recruiting battles in their backyard.

819
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: He has to be the poster bar.

820
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: He has to be the example for Mario to to

821
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: sort of hang and say, look, I did.

822
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: This beautiful again. His name is Manny Navarro. Pleasure to

823
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: have you back. As always. You can find Manny's work,

824
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: of course over at the Athletic. If we don't talk

825
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: to you before, enjoy the season. But hopefully we'll have

826
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: a chance to catch up at some point here soon

827
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: and get the pulse of the Miami fan base.

828
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 4: It's good talking to you guys. Thank you for having

829
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: me on again and I appreciate it.

830
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: All Right, there we go in Many Navarro, please to

831
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: welcome him back from the Athletic. Always a pleasure to

832
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: get his insight. I love asking the question about the

833
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: pet player or storyline. Oh yeah, I love asking that

834
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: question because I feel like you always get and it's

835
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: not just Manny, it's pretty much anybody we bring on

836
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: who's got a specialty in a team. He asked him

837
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: that question and tends to go in different directions. So

838
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: his commentary on Ruben Bain, which, by the way, was

839
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: the name of your fictitious private capital.

840
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ruben Banquity firm. Yeah, ruben Bain Capital. Yeah.

841
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, from our last Sark Tank episode. Go and listen

842
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: to that from last week. Just good to get that

843
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: on the ground perspective. I love to hear it.

844
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: Lingering thoughts about Miami. I wonder about the Xavier ristrepo

845
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: exhausting eligibility. Moving on to the NFL effect of being

846
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: a safety blanket for so long, so dependable, you know,

847
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: had a couple injury issues a couple of years ago,

848
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: but for being so dependably strong at receiver across multiple

849
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: quarterbacks TVD a couple years ago. Cam Ward last year

850
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: that the search for dependability at receiver or pass catch

851
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: or whatever that I hope for Miami it goes better

852
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: than it seemed to at times. For Georgia, with brock Bauers, like,

853
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: I think there's a little overlap even though very different players,

854
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: different size, different skill sets. That like, whatever you think

855
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: about Miami's offense, there was a dependability of Xavier Ristreppo

856
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: and even the tight end room was very consistent for

857
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: a long time for Miami. And they're searching for new

858
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: guys they've recruited, well, they seem to be very high

859
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: on a number of guys. I just wonder about the

860
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: post restrepo era for Miami. If there are hiccups finding

861
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: that next third and seven, you know he's going to

862
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: get open enough kind of guy on that offense.

863
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Tough to replace that kind of production. Yeah, it's tough

864
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: to replace it. And just in looking over the roster

865
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: before we hit go on the Manny interview, receiver was

866
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: a big question for me as well. You know, I

867
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: don't think that's any great secret at this point. I

868
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: looked at returning production numbers. Miami clearly still brings back

869
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: enough I think to be very potent and certainly a

870
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: contender team we're going to talk about as part of

871
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: that playoff conversation, if only because Carson Beck is in town.

872
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: But there's a lot walking out on offense. Yeah, and

873
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: I think, as we've come to know here, especially in

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Speaker 1: the portal era, for as much as the portal can

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Speaker 1: give you a lift, it's not always a certainty. So

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Speaker 1: a lot needs to come together pretty quickly for Miami

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Speaker 1: given the schedule, because to my eye, it looks relatively

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Speaker 1: front loaded. Clearly the Notre Dame game, there's a road

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Speaker 1: game against Florida State to start things off. Many mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Florida game as well, so they will have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity pretty early on to get a sense for what

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Speaker 1: Miami is this year.

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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating schedule, especially again, I almost see it

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Speaker 2: as like the back half is more interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: The Notre Dame is the highest of highs on this

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Speaker 2: schedule to me. But the back half, you're going to

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Speaker 2: get whatever Miller, Moss and Louisville look like midway through

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Speaker 2: the year. So you'll get a tough SMU team on

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Speaker 2: the road, You'll get whatever Steve Ageli is and the

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Speaker 2: promising potential there against Syracuse to whom they lost last year. Yep,

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Speaker 2: you'll probably get an improving development developmental not even developmental,

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Speaker 2: but a developing CJ. Bailey at NC State late. We'll

893
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Speaker 2: see what Virginia Tech and Pitt are, but they have

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Speaker 2: promising quarterback play, and those are both on the road.

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Speaker 2: I think Miami is better than everybody on their schedule,

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Speaker 2: like the I think they're noticeably have a higher ceiling

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Speaker 2: than everybody on their schedule other than Notre Dame, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Given Carson back health, given you know, receivet couple receivers

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Speaker 2: stepping up and becoming legit good players, There's just a

901
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Speaker 2: lot to like about the options Miami has.

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Speaker 1: You could maybe make a case for Florida, but I

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Speaker 1: think I think I'm with you on that front. To

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Speaker 1: the point, though, they do need to avoid these late

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Speaker 1: season collapses that we've seen truly the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Closing out your season two games on the road, back

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Speaker 1: to back on the road at Virginia Tech on the

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Speaker 1: road against Pitt, that's a tough way to close this

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Speaker 1: thing out. And by the way, before that, their final

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Speaker 1: home game is that contest against NC State and CJ. Bailey,

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Speaker 1: which who knows what to expect from nci State will

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Speaker 1: have to spend some time in the coordinator so it

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Speaker 1: it's definitely a front loaded schedule. I think in terms

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Speaker 1: of the heavy hitters coming earlier.

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Speaker 2: On obvious quality, Florida's offense should should be very, very good.

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Speaker 1: But there's nuance the deeper you go into this thing

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Speaker 1: that I, to your point, certainly makes it interesting. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to be it's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: Miami season void of interest.

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Speaker 2: By the way, with whatever pressure Mario Chris Ball, I say, Mario.

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Speaker 1: I was so in my head, this is God's honest truth.

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Speaker 1: So in my head after you brought that to my

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Speaker 1: attention that I start and saying Manny Novarro's last name wrong?

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Speaker 1: I know, did you catch Navarro in there twice? Twice? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I whatever pressure he feels, because he feels personally obligated

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Speaker 2: to bring Miami back to national contention, which is understandable

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Speaker 2: that he's gonna feel a ton of pressure, you gotta

928
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Speaker 2: think Mario Cristobal is at least a little bit thankful

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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty four of Mike norvel In stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: gotta like even if you're a Miami fan saying it's

931
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Speaker 2: unacceptable that this Miami defense couldn't get lined up and

932
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Speaker 2: are given up big play after big play. The most hateful,

933
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Speaker 2: the most bitter Miami fan to themselves at least has

934
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Speaker 2: to say could have been worse.

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Speaker 1: It could have been, could have been worse, could have

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Speaker 1: been Mike Norvel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's at least that if you are a

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Speaker 2: fired up Miami fan hoping that Corey Heatherman is able

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Speaker 2: to solve things for this Miami defense, which I think

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Speaker 2: will be just fine. Like, I don't know if they're

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Speaker 2: gonna a top twenty twenty five defense in this country.

942
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Speaker 2: Miami fans would take top forty at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, incremental improvements, Right, the offense was so good last year.

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Speaker 1: The offense is probably due to take something of a

945
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Speaker 1: step back. But if you're a Miami fan, you got

946
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Speaker 1: to feel good about getting Carson Carson. Beck's going to

947
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Speaker 1: be one of the better quarterbacks in college football at

948
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Speaker 1: a minimum YEP this year, So you feel good about

949
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Speaker 1: that as a starting point. Even if the offense does

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Speaker 1: take a little bit of a step back, it'll still

951
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Speaker 1: be really good. Just incremental improvements. Like we've talked about

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Speaker 1: time and again on this show, incremental improvements on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Takes a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the pressure off of that offense, makes the whole thing

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Speaker 1: work a little bit better. I don't know. It's again

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Speaker 1: for the umpteenth time here on this episode. Miami is

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Speaker 1: nothing if not interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally interesting, and they get week one. It's the

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Speaker 2: Sunday night right The Catholics of Rius Convicts is like

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Speaker 2: sort of the standalone Sunday night of Labor Day weekend game.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait on that note, why don't we leave it

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Speaker 1: there again? Big thanks go out to our friend mannyat Navarro.

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Speaker 1: I said it again, Navarro, You're really in my head

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Speaker 1: with this throwing something at the camera here.

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Speaker 2: I'm like the I'm Bruce Bowen slipping under your feet

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Speaker 2: as you rise for a three pointer. For a just dirty,

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Speaker 2: dirty in your headplay.

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Speaker 1: Manny Navarro. Yeah, thank you for your time and of

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Speaker 1: course for your insight. Go and check him out over

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Speaker 1: at the Athletic. If you enjoyed this episode, hit follow,

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Speaker 1: hit subscribe, going out to verbowlers dot com for a

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Speaker 1: help support what Dan and I do. We will be

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Speaker 1: back a little bit later on this week. Keep the

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Speaker 1: train rolling here in the off season for that guy,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton brand talk to you

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Speaker 1: also and stay soup peace,