WEBVTT - Throwback: We Can Create Our Own Holidays

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Holidays listeners. It's Amber here. The ladies are taking

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<v Speaker 1>a week off for some much needed rest, but we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share last season's episode about making the holidays

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<v Speaker 1>your own. In this throwback, Jill, Asia and Laia share

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<v Speaker 1>their favorite traditions. We know that this is not the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest time of year for folks, but remember to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of you. There's power and peace and your divine no.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you all get some rest, whatever that may

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<v Speaker 1>look like before the start of Infuse your days with

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<v Speaker 1>a little audio, soul food, and catch up on any

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<v Speaker 1>episode you missed of j dot Ill. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>next week with a special episode to end out Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to j dot do a production of What's Up? Everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? I hope that you're so good? Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for checking in with us. Um. This

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<v Speaker 1>is j do Ill the podcast, and I'm here with

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<v Speaker 1>my sister friends, my strong powerful woman, Liah Sinclair, strong

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<v Speaker 1>and Powerful, Damn Straight and Age of Graydon Danceler Booty,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa I like when I say dance dance That's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice name. I wish I had more syllables. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get enough syllables. And I'm gonna tell you that my

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<v Speaker 1>mother put an exclamation point on my birth certificate. You

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<v Speaker 1>mention that to you, You told me, Yes, So my

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<v Speaker 1>name is really Jill Scott. That's amazing. It really is, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it really is. I I enjoyed that choice. Your

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<v Speaker 1>son King, that's a nice name. It is a nice name. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My nephew's name is King. It's short for Kingston, but

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<v Speaker 1>we call him King. I saw you had a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>baby on the Instagram. A that's your knee. She's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, my sister in law, my sister in love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do believe that she was brought here to

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<v Speaker 1>the earth to make pretty babies because she literally has

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<v Speaker 1>five little girls and they are all adorable. Like she's

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<v Speaker 1>a little pretty black girl baby making machine. And she

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<v Speaker 1>her latest one is ah, it's the icing on the cake,

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<v Speaker 1>her latest one, her latest one. Listen, I'm like Jill,

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<v Speaker 1>the dam women like them babies, honey is point. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they take the socks off when they're handling them. They

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<v Speaker 1>take the socks off. Yes, girl, Yeah, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>really really big family, huh, I do. But the teen

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<v Speaker 1>my husband is the oldest of six children, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is his sister who also now has six children, as

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<v Speaker 1>we have six children. But yes, so they are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cooking. Oh yeah, girl, you know I've cooked

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<v Speaker 1>every day for bazilion years, but now I don't do

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. I'm gonna tell you what broke me, this

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<v Speaker 1>here pandemic. I cooked every day for about three and

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<v Speaker 1>finally I just was like, I can't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So I implemented finn for yourself night. Oh and I

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<v Speaker 1>also I also look hashtag like the kids. Okay, give

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<v Speaker 1>it to um fit for yourself. I'm just shaking my head, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>And then was also just my older children had to

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<v Speaker 1>take a certain night to cook. So yeah, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cooking. Can you come from a big

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<v Speaker 1>family like you? No, it's you know, it's just me

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<v Speaker 1>up and here. But my mother and my father are

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<v Speaker 1>both the youngest of their bruise Like, my mom's the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest of five, my dad's youngest of nine. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it for me. So I adopt people. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of god brothers and sisters and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>So the holiday times is kind of uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>more relaxed for you because how many people are showing

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<v Speaker 1>up friends and family or it depends. Last year we

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<v Speaker 1>did the whole. A lot of New York folks from

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's side came down and we had dinner at

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's house. So that was really nice. But to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, shoot, as far as the Christmas holidays and

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<v Speaker 1>then only child, we cut that out about twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years ago after the presidents and we just decided to travel.

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<v Speaker 1>We do our own things on the holiday. That's delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>My mama likes so jealous. Yeah, that's nice, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere instead. So now that we started that little tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to hopefully maybe this year and maybe well

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't win. When do you start preparing for

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<v Speaker 1>the travel? Well, Jill, as a daughter of a flight attendant,

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<v Speaker 1>do right, I'm like that can vary from mommy, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we're going this year. We're we're going. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>come three a week before, we're gonna start packing and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then a couple of days for that, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna pick the flight to see what the low look like. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this fight attended life is real. Yeah yeah, so you Angel,

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<v Speaker 1>you you gotta you know, cook for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something. Thanksgiving was all I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for years and turkeys, isn't it? Well? No, not, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is if we go to family's house, if we

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<v Speaker 1>go over, we went up. We've gone over to my

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<v Speaker 1>mother in law's house many times. And then because also too,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a mother, we have bounced from my husband's

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<v Speaker 1>mother's house to my mom's house, until finally I had

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<v Speaker 1>so many kids, I was like, listen, y'all, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like dressing all these kids, cart and all these

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<v Speaker 1>kids to go over to somebody else's houses and eat,

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<v Speaker 1>And then like, what is the leftover situation gonna be? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>By the time I pack up food from your house,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd then packed up leftovers that looked like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>like I cooked. So I was like, no, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cook at home. I sit there and feed my children.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if y'all want to see these kids, I

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<v Speaker 1>bring them over for a dessert or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother with my mother and my family and my

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<v Speaker 1>in laws are like a family. They're close to. So

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<v Speaker 1>my my siblings and my mom are all close to

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's sibling and mother. So we have a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a really good mixture. So we tend to spend

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<v Speaker 1>time together. And we also have two different religions in

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<v Speaker 1>our family. That's how I was about because my mother

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<v Speaker 1>we don't celebrate Christmas because we're Muslims. My mother and

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<v Speaker 1>please don't get mad at me for cussing and carrying

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<v Speaker 1>on in this show, like look, y'all can just save

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<v Speaker 1>the emails now, I cuss um so uh. And my

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<v Speaker 1>mother's side is Christian, and so typically Thanksgiving over the

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<v Speaker 1>years would be the time that we would end up altogether,

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<v Speaker 1>but on on the on the Islamic side, on the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim side, we would do eat dinners and that would

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<v Speaker 1>be that's the time. Add there's two eads a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a calendar Islamic year, and so we would get

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<v Speaker 1>together and cook and eat for eat, And then I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought about that, Asia, you've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>holidays in your bigs, like you got not a hot

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<v Speaker 1>but traditions. You got a lot of traditions. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of traditions. But it's not that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually I think really good for the kids because

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<v Speaker 1>the kids get to just understand about diversity within family

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<v Speaker 1>and that you know, blood of ties are stronger than

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<v Speaker 1>cultural ties and that you can still really believe and

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<v Speaker 1>do what you do and still be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>respectful of your family and things like that. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've loved over the years that my kids have got

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to do that, and the little extra work

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<v Speaker 1>is just that, Hey, you know, you gotta have an

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<v Speaker 1>extra conversation. You gotta keep family on point, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is aware, you know, that kind of thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>even with Christmas, though my children don't celebrate Christmas, they

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<v Speaker 1>have family members who do so in the past they

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<v Speaker 1>may have, like you know, sent the kids a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars or this that of the dog. You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to say, you the hold you hold Jehovah. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, not not now, but you were raised that right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first off, first, sorry what I do. I'm sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm They're called Jehovah's witness. I'm sorry, I shortened everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to be called Jehovah and be like me

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<v Speaker 1>calling aja Allah. Okay, and y'all not a five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of witness. I got it. Jehovah Witnesshovah, Jehovah. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>black thing, and it is it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're Jehovah's witnesses, and um, yeah, I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>as a Jehovah's witness, not because I was baptized as

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<v Speaker 1>Tehovah's witness, but because that's the house I lived in.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, you know, when you grow up

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<v Speaker 1>in the house, that's what you do. You do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>your parents are doing. So I grew up my my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my grandmam, and we definitely missed. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I missed out on a lot of stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>holidays and things until I got old enough to catch

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<v Speaker 1>the transportation by myself. Once. Once I got old enough

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<v Speaker 1>to hop on that fifty four and catch the subway

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<v Speaker 1>and then gone, and I forgot what other bus I

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<v Speaker 1>cold I don't remember now to to get to Mount

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<v Speaker 1>Airy where I would go to my aunt's house and

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<v Speaker 1>she would have Christmas there. So that meant I got

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<v Speaker 1>to eat the good Christmas food. I got to play

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<v Speaker 1>oh No all night long and laugh out loud, and

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<v Speaker 1>my aunt would always get me something God blessed. There

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<v Speaker 1>was never anything that I wanted, but the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she thought of me meant a lot to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>until I got older and was like Hey, listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just want you to keep that, like, keep that

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<v Speaker 1>money in your pocket. You don't have to buy me anything,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Um, but the holidays were really, really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought from not celebrating them to celebrating I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is cool. And then I got older and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wait a minute, wait one minute talking work

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<v Speaker 1>conversation after the break. So Christmas is I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the exact numbers right now, but when I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>about it, it was like Christmas was seventy of America's

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<v Speaker 1>economy three and that was a long time ago. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a long time I don't I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what it was then, but that was enough to

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<v Speaker 1>shake my world up and asked myself, like what am

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<v Speaker 1>I exactly getting into and why am I doing this? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the stories, clearly, you know, we've all heard the

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<v Speaker 1>stories about uh Jesus and Christmas. Um how number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus wasn't born in December, So who made up December

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five as his birthdate? And why do we give

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<v Speaker 1>gifts and all of that? Jack and well it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>attempt Okay, So the historical implication of is that, um

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<v Speaker 1>it was an attempt. I know she would. I was

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<v Speaker 1>setting it up. We know this answer already, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't appreciate y'all set me up as almighty. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>attempt for the king at the time. I want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably like Constantine or somebody who was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>spread Christianity but knew that the cultural and uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>cultural beliefs of the people where he was we're not

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<v Speaker 1>right in line with Christianity at the time. They were

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating winter Solstice and uh something else I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>called christ Mass or something like that. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>he decided to do was allow them to keep elements

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<v Speaker 1>of their cultural celebrations and mesh it together with Christian

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<v Speaker 1>tradition so that he could ease the people into celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>or practicing Christianity. So, um, that's how you get Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>in December. That's my understanding of it. Nick comes into

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. That's not how sat Nick comes into the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is how stuff like uh you'le tie greetings

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that come into play. And um, the

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, the time period and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and trees like a Christmas tree. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>the that's how the Christmas tree comes into play, and

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<v Speaker 1>garland and um mistletoe and things like that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's where you have some Christians who over time

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<v Speaker 1>have actually stopped doing those types of traditions because they

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<v Speaker 1>understand it it's not necessarily a quote unquote Christian tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship it's an American at this point in American, but

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<v Speaker 1>now it's very American because you do find people, like

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<v Speaker 1>she says, like a part of part of the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>So people come here from other places and part of

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<v Speaker 1>their um embracing American culture is to celebrate Christmas. The

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<v Speaker 1>music is nice, and I have always loved the lights,

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<v Speaker 1>my children, my little Muslim children. I've always loved the lights.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always loved the lights, and I've I've always enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>the music and the getting together and the smells of

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<v Speaker 1>it all. I always thought that was so nice. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But when I had my son, I think we had

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas maybe twice, and I just felt wrong. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't sit right for me, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have all of these things, all of these holidays

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<v Speaker 1>that make money. Really, you know, think about it, I wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote cards for Hallmark Father's Day, Mother's Day, Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>You know there's as the cards by the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm just saying every Mother's Day, Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at something so Christmas didn't feel right

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<v Speaker 1>one because I didn't grow up celebrating it. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to participate in it with my Aunt Shirley.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Aunt Shirley, who was so beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>kind and loving to me. Miss you so much, um um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got a chance to experience that. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I had my own child, I was like, do I

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<v Speaker 1>really am I really setting him up? You know? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do? I want to tell him lies? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder how I handled this a parent. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, you yeah, like you know, it's it's not real,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you want to tell a lie? And and

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<v Speaker 1>not for nothing? The thing that you know, I went

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<v Speaker 1>around with my mom when she find decided not to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I started to think too about how I

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<v Speaker 1>would have these amazing chris is this become the New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was trying to figure out how to rob

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Peter to pay Paul, and I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not fair. No. So when I was little,

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<v Speaker 1>what my mom used to do is she would wait

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<v Speaker 1>until Christmas was over and then we would go shopping

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<v Speaker 1>because it was all of the Christmas holiday stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had gone back to school without doing the then

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<v Speaker 1>going shopping part. And I came back to school, I

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<v Speaker 1>had on the same clothes I had on the week,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a couple of weeks before that, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the kids had new clothes. Just was it messed with me? Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I felt jealous and I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>was getting left out of something that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't want to do that to Jet. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also did not want to lie to the kid

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<v Speaker 1>about these holidays. So I invented it famists fam us

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<v Speaker 1>fam yeah, faminess. You know. I was like, okay, Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was like, faminist family is family is what

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<v Speaker 1>are the things that I love about holidays or traditional

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.919
<v Speaker 1>holidays in America? Um? Well, you know, you get together

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<v Speaker 1>with your family, you you cook with your family, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to music, your dance, you play games. You know

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's gonna you know, play spades or something like we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to enjoy each other. And I was like that's

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<v Speaker 1>what this that's what people really are, you know, inclined,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they really love to do. It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the family portion. So it's like, okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>create a holiday that is about family. Family. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>only difference between Christmas and Faminists is it is? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's two differences. Instead of putting up uh garland,

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<v Speaker 1>and we put up the colors of our of our culture.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of African flags around the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and we put up pictures of people we respect and

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<v Speaker 1>admire all around the house during the during Faminists. Um, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have a tree, but our tree is black.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell do you get that from the home goods? Wow? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a black tree and um we put we

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<v Speaker 1>put pretty much anything we want on the thing thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's pictures of us, sometimes it's a cante cloth,

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes it's African flags depend you know, all over

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<v Speaker 1>the continent. Um. So there's pictures of people we admire

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<v Speaker 1>and respect and then there's this black ash tree and

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<v Speaker 1>that we do do presents, but you have to earn them.

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<v Speaker 1>And how you earn a gift on Faminists is you

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<v Speaker 1>have to write a one page essay. It can be longer,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a one page essay about whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, whatever you want to talk about, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we all sit after dinner. We all sit and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to one another speak out loud and think out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, one year, Jets was about raccoons because

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<v Speaker 1>we had raccoons in our you know, trash sometimes, and

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<v Speaker 1>what we found out from his essay was that raccoons

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<v Speaker 1>have sensories in their hands. You know, they have five

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<v Speaker 1>digits like we do, so, but they have sensories. So

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<v Speaker 1>when they touch a trash can, they're like, that is jelly?

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<v Speaker 1>What else is that? Some onions? And yeah, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's he's okay. So the essays have to be handwritten,

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<v Speaker 1>or I mean, they don't have to be handwritten, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice. I prefer them to be handwritten. Once you

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<v Speaker 1>read your essay, then you get your gift or gifts

0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.480
<v Speaker 1>depending because everybody in Abody can give anybody a gift.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't um, if you don't read your essay,

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<v Speaker 1>you ain't get nothing. And that's just the way it works.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get without giving, and that's just the way

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<v Speaker 1>it is, so we go from listening to our elders

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<v Speaker 1>to listening to the children and everybody in between. So

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.560
<v Speaker 1>we get to our family gets to hear us thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about whatever we want to talk about. It could be anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the gist of families. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any religious implications. So my mother comes, she's a Jehovah's

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<v Speaker 1>witness and she's like, you know, she doesn't celebrate holidays, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but this doesn't have any religious implications. So it's more

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<v Speaker 1>of a family gathering. It's family is families. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it works for any culture, whether you're uh Indian,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're Italian. You know, to have pictures of Italian

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<v Speaker 1>people that you're respecting, to admire all around the house,

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<v Speaker 1>to have your true red, white and green um. To

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<v Speaker 1>to sit and listen to your family, you know. Think.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty much what familis is, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been celebrating for the last five years. So last

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<v Speaker 1>thing is because it's the essays are on paper, I

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<v Speaker 1>collect them and um keep them in a little famous box.

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<v Speaker 1>What's not little anymore, but keep him in a famis

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<v Speaker 1>box and it becomes a family treasure. So I can

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<v Speaker 1>look back and say okay. In you know, uh, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and and you know twelve, you wrote an art,

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote an essay about why you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do homework or why you think homework is unfair. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? And you get to also see

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<v Speaker 1>your own hand right here, particularly you know, particularly for

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.959
<v Speaker 1>the kids that how long does it take to develop

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<v Speaker 1>a holiday? Jill? Um, I guess overnight if that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you wanna do. I mean you fai is, how how

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 1>long did it take you to figure all those elements out? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long because I've been thinking about it

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<v Speaker 1>for years, Like what is it that that bothers me?

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>What is it that that doesn't sit well with me?

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<v Speaker 1>That one? This is such a big economic holiday that

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<v Speaker 1>bothers me? Um too, it doesn't have any basis in history?

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<v Speaker 1>And why not praise the Lord all year round? Praise

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Lord's praise Lord all year round. Whomever you decided you

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<v Speaker 1>call God based on information that you know, or based

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<v Speaker 1>on your family and how they've taught you. Praise the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord all year round. Be grateful for for your creator

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<v Speaker 1>and creation all year round. But at this time, celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>family and celebrate family and ask of them to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>to get something. What I mean, I'm gonna tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the being with family part, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>black folks, is the pool for all of these holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because obviously even the question around whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not black people should even be celebrating Thanksgiving has come

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<v Speaker 1>up in my family in the past five years, as

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about that should we even be celebrating this,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since I have friends who are who are Indigenous,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just feel so deeply disrespected by that holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for us, you know, as we all should

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>feel deeply disrespected by it. Um. But I think also

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, the idea of being with family for us,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what resonates it says, Okay, well, I just wanna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even I'm not keyed into all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to be able to play bid with

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<v Speaker 1>and eat some good food and you know, and be around,

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, my extended family. So I can really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>being intentional about that, because you know, these are things

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<v Speaker 1>that keep us together, These are the things that keep

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<v Speaker 1>us going, and you know, all over the diaspora, but

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<v Speaker 1>particularly here in America, where it's like what is for us?

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<v Speaker 1>But I love the fact that in some states and

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<v Speaker 1>here in Pennsylvania, Juneteenth is now considered a holiday, an

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<v Speaker 1>official holiday here in the state of Pennsylvania. And for

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<v Speaker 1>Tina and I rode in the Juneteenth Parade last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, we were the Grand Marshall's dolling yes and

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<v Speaker 1>c ys and it. And it got me to thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I known about Juneteenth a long time, but I had

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<v Speaker 1>never really been really intentional about celebrating it. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and again, Um, Black History Month in my household

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<v Speaker 1>is a very big deal. And I am the only

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>person I know who decorates for Black History. More so,

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I actually decorate for Black History Month. So when you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying the thing about putting up the pictures and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh girl, this is me a Black

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<v Speaker 1>History mouth, Like this is how I am. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the fact that, um, you kind of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>came with your own family traditions. I think that's super

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<v Speaker 1>important that even though there's some things cross culturally that

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<v Speaker 1>we that we should continue to honor, one of the

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 1>real things that I feel like it's important to honor

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<v Speaker 1>is those things that become important to your individual family

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<v Speaker 1>and that um, those are the things you get to

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<v Speaker 1>pass on from generation to generation, you know, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why stuff like family reunions are such a big deal

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in our community and um, you know things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's one thing I know I made up that my

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<v Speaker 1>kids and I did UM on Juneteenth, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>two years ago, was I decided that I bought a

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<v Speaker 1>very large piece of um, handmade and hand printed UM

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>mud cloth that has some cante woven into it as well. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was what I played over top of my

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>mother's casket, m Um. And this is you know how

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>she was there when when during her service we I

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<v Speaker 1>took that and out laid it out on the table

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<v Speaker 1>it was and and what I was telling the kids

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>was that, you know, during slavery, obviously we weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to learn how to read, but we used to do

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<v Speaker 1>these things called pit schools where people would escape in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night and dig a ditch in

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<v Speaker 1>the into the ground and get inside the ditch and

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<v Speaker 1>cover it with leaves, and that they would learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to read at night in these pits schools and these ditches.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the ways they learned was by writing

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<v Speaker 1>into stuff like flour and salt. M And so what

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<v Speaker 1>I did was. I told the kids, I said, okay, here,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna cover our table. This is a um something

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>to honor our particular ancestors. And you know, my mother

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>is an ancestor now. And I sat out a little

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>tray and I said, okay, guys, I put the flower out.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, this is our way of honoring how our

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 1>ancestors learned before they were free, to learn how to

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>read and to learn how to have their own self determination.

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>And so I was like, you can write anything in

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a flower that you want. You can write the name

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of an ancestor, you can write a shape my heart

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.479
<v Speaker 1>or whatever your own name, whatever. But this is our

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>way that we honor the ways that they learned. And

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<v Speaker 1>so my kids and I did that, and you know,

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and that was our That was part of our June

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>taking celebration. Yeah. Yeah, we're free. We're free in a lot,

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 1>not every way, but we're not enslaved. Were not enslaved.

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>So you have the capacity to come up with whatever

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it is that you want to come up and make

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>that a thing for your family. Hey, listen, I think

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>in this moment's funny jail, as you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, right that's about I was about

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<v Speaker 1>to say, that'stivist. I'm sorry, that's that's time field. Oh,

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that's and that we have festivals the day before, families,

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>festives for the rest of this, festivals for the rest,

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>so that you have that the day before. So y'all

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>do festive that y'all do families. And it is interesting

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>because I thought it was a nice tie into quanda too,

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>because while you're celebrating your family for one, then you

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>start celebrating your culture in your community in the next. Right. Yeah,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>but I tapped out by then. I ain't gonna I'm

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>not I'm not even gonna hold you up like comment.

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I will say, it's a lot to me. I tried.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't grow up selling it, celebrating holidays or birthdays

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>for that matter. So I'm gonna apologize now. I'm probably

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to remember your birthday unless you tell me

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and I put it in my phone because I I

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. I just already told you all. We

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>got nine thousand people in our families, so I forget

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>my own damn birthday. If the radio didn't tell me

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>or the Instagram, they're like, it's just guy's birthday. I'd

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh it is, I'm two under nine again.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I hesitated to bring up Quansa because I was like,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, people feel different ways about Mr

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Karna Karina, but at the same time, at the fundamentals

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of what it asked of you, of what it really

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>boils down to is fucking amazing. And shouts out to

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>m two May and all the rest of the elders

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>who actually helped make that holiday happen as well, like,

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't deny it, right, yeah, actually don't

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>have an issue with the actual principles of And I

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>mean I know that people, you know, so many things

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>have come out about about um you said about Karina.

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>But for me, for me, I do think people who

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>continue to celebrate Kawanza, I know what their intentions are

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and I and I think it's actually a beautiful time

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of families and really gives, you know,

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>African Americans in particular, an opportunity to connect in a

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>way that speaks to who we are here but also

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>honors our culture in Africa where we and what we

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>brought with us. And I don't think there's anything wrong

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>with that. There's nothing wrong with saying Okay, yes that

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I am connected to an absolutely a product of the continent,

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>but here we had a specific kind and not just

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>here but in other places of the diaspora. Experience is

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, chattel slavery, which is you know, it's an experience.

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>It's it's something that you can't forget. It's something that

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>did happen and did affect our ability to be connected

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the ways that in the ways that we were before that.

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's nothing wrong with you know, as

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a community saying hey, let's let's figure out a way

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to reconnect. But then also um acknowledge that we are

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>a new thing, you know, And I so no problem

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>at all with that. I love it. I wish we

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>could have more holidays like that, Like we don't really

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.479
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of holidays African American culture wise, do

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>or do we am I tripping? I'm like Kwanza Black History,

0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Black History June Team, June Team Team. What happens in

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans and Louisiana? What is it? Um Marti Gras

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Mardi Gras. Okay, it's funny. You know, some things are

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>taken from us and built in the something else. So

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I totally forget about Mardi Grad that way, because you

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>are so right? Uh ok, MRTI grad Junete Kwanza, all right,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I could use it, just a couple other ones around

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>in UM, in Chicago and the Midwest, they have Sweeter's Day.

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>What's that Sweetest Day? Is um black people's version of

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Valentine's Day? Black Love Day? Or I'll take it all,

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll take or a single celebration whatever, Yeah, why not?

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And then of course in in in New York and

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Miami you got Carnival, you got mm hmmm yeah, yeah,

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, I forget weekend day parade single to Mayo.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>For other cultures is that who well, don't say this.

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>This is this is where we get lost because we create,

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>we create holidan. We didn't create holidays, but we celebrate holidays,

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>which is just fine. Um. And creating your own holiday

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>for your family and making a tradition for your own

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for your family is beautiful. And I think so um

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 1>as someone who participates in it. But here we are, here,

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>we are what's up? So she's about to get it.

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>It does frustrate the life. Oh it drains my my,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 1>my life when I see so many of us going

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>into debt for Christmas, going into debt for Christmas for

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>people who do not deserve this amount of gifting. It's

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>shocking to me that we still celebrate the holiday that

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>we kind of know there's not really truthful of what

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it is, and we just definitely know that it's a

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>big money making day. But we are so in the

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>line of this tradition for generations and generations that we

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>just couldnot let it go. It's amazing to me, very

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>much like Jesus Listen already in Trouble Less about it.

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>We said we were going to talk about things, and

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>we are here to spark conversation. I asked my grandmother

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>about that. Listen. I had the same conversation with my

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>mother and my grandmother. My question is always this, what

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>exactly have um white people that were enslaving folks giving

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>them for their benefit. They don't want you to read,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>they want you to speak your language. They didn't want

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you to pray to how you pray, so they've given

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you and the fact that we continue to hold on

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to this. Yes, you know I I do don't I don't.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're gonna do with this. I

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>know this, I know that I love God. I do.

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I do. There's no there's no ifs, ands or buts

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 1>about that. I am so appreciative. I am so grateful

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that I've learned my relationship with you, whope, God. And

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>there are so many names, and that's that's your business,

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>how you want to deal. I have Uh John three

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>on my neck and it is because, um, it says

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>for those who don't know, for God so love the

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>world that he gave his only begotten son, so that

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:04.839
<v Speaker 1>whomever shall um believe shall not perish but have everlasting life.

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm paraphrasing a little bit, um, but nonetheless, most of

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you know what that is. And I just think that

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 1>we've gotten that confused. For God so loved the world

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.439
<v Speaker 1>that he gave his only begotten son so that whom

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>ever shall believe in him. Now, let me tell you

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>like this, if I was if somebody asked me to

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>save the world by giving my only begotten son, y'all

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>will be some dead mother. She'd be dead, she could dead.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>We all be dead, and we're going together my only

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>begotten son. I always think, man, that level of love,

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to to love human being so much to give your

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>only child for them is massive, and that should be

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:03.399
<v Speaker 1>respected and appreciated and honored and cherished, if we're going

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>with the stories to be true. I really feel that way,

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and it bothers me when people don't give our creator

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the credit deserved. For God so loved the world that

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 1>he gave his only begotten son, so that whomever shall

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>believe in him, the Creator himself, so whomever shall believe

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>in him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Well,

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's about to unpack. Yeah, it's

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time, it's plenty. There's a lot to

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>unpack there on one of the things that I will

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>say this about black folks and there and they're um

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>forced or perceived forced because well, after slavery, they were

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>forced to embrace Christianity, but a form of Christianity that

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>was obviously um twisted and intended to keep them, intended

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep them enslaved, you know. But obviously there it

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>was that same Bible and that same teachings, those same

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>teachings that also spoke to so many enslaved people that

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>incited them to riot and rebel, you know, because Nat

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Turner actually believed that God had spoken to him. Harriet

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.919
<v Speaker 1>Tubman said God spoke to me, these are not people

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>who read a book or were intellectuals. These were hardcore

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>spiritual people. But they also came from very similar backgrounds

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 1>in their africanness. Oh yeah know that they did. They

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>actually did so, I mean so, and they had certain

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>spiritual beliefs that were passed out. So the reason why

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I say all this is because African Americans have successfully,

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>in many ways, many many many ways, merged together what

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>they brought on the ships with Christianity in such a

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>way that empowers the spiritually that has been at the

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>core of their resistance. So if you start to peel

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>back the layers of Black resistance over several years, you're

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna find a lot of that is what what changes it.

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>And not just Christianity, but also with Islam, because when

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you look back at some of the other you know,

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>leaders of different rebellions, they had some backgrounds and beliefs

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that were Islamic. And then also to the big Haitian

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Revolution was started with a religious ceremony based in Vodoon,

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>which is based in Yaruba. So it's like all of

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>this is who we are. We take who we are

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.439
<v Speaker 1>everywhere that we go, we take who we are where

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>we go. And so when you talk about just from

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>our own background, right, sometimes we don't always know, we

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>don't always know that that's what it is. But believe

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you me, that is what it is. And when you

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>start talking about holidays, that is where we start to

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>get into Okay, well what does this mean or what

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is the mean behind this? So that I'm sure that

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not contradictory to what I believe, because you know,

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I hear your voice in the back of my head

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to these holidays, right, it's it's all

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 1>because of white supremacy. That's not all of them, not

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>all of most of the American ones that we celebrate. Well, yeah,

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean because it's about capitalism. It's like Jill said,

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>this is about people making money and being able to

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>make money off of us as as individuals. It's not

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>about making life better you know what I'm saying, or

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>making you more spiritually connected. You know that whenever capitalism

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 1>embraces a thing, but racial capitalism embrace Christianity from the gate,

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>there's no way to separate the two. You've got to

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>have the conversation, not be afraid to have that conversation.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't it doesn't diminish any one person's belief because

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you can find Christianity and Ethiopia way before they ever

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 1>came here. So you can because is everywhere. That's what

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll be scared. That's that's why I was scared, always scared.

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>That's scared because I did as my grandmother. But it

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>was always an interesting point for me because I was

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>like as black as my grandmother. What it was I

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>always wondered, like the story of Christianity and what I

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>knew of it and how it came to Black Americans.

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, that's interesting that we get it

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>when we have a habit of taking things and making

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>in our own and switching it from a negative to

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>a positive. But man, this is a doozy. This is

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a real juzy. I always start. I mean, it would

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>be a really good idea to say that Ethiopia was

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>never called used. That's true, but the me came down,

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it everywhere, came everywhere, everywhere. Well, you know, the end

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of the day is that I don't know a lot

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of folks who when they hear the world holiday, they're

0:40:55.000 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>thinking a holy day. M hmmm. So and holy day

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>can be two different things, and particularly People who are

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>very religious are more likely to focus on a holy

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>day than a tradition. Traditions for them can come and

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 1>go because the tradition can be started by someone who,

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever, but something that's tied into your actual

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>belief system. You know, people I know. But then you're like,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not his birthday. It's not a day. It's not

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 1>a birthday. He's not a day. That's different. And then

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you tell us a story about how we all came

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>to this day, and it's like, okay, of things. We

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>believe a lot of things just because they tell us

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to believe it. And it's a tradition of believing. It's

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 1>not just telling but forcing people got their teeth pulled out,

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.959
<v Speaker 1>um with with pliers and such, people got their feet

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>cut off, you know, forcing them to be Christians another

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>reason which makes it hard, always made it hard for

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>a rebellious me to go. So we're just gonna roll

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>with this is the truth, even though we was. What

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I would need though for me, UM, what I would

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 1>need is for Christianity to actually do it's its job.

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I needed to do its work. I need UM churches

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to be smaller and black people to be more Um, affluent.

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I see a lot of a lot of big churches,

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and I cannot front with you like it. It bothers me.

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I know, people, Um, you know there's a I've visit

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different places, you know when it comes

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to religion. So you know, I'll check out a Buddhist

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>temple for a while, and I'll go to a Catholic

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>church for a while, and you know, just pay attention

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and look around and listen and see what I'm getting. Um.

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes I say one place longer than others. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a church that I was going to here in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a friend who was going through some

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<v Speaker 1>hard times, particularly with this COVID and she's worked for

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<v Speaker 1>the church and she's benefited and been there to help

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>in so many areas and she needed some help. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>myself and some others we joined together to to help her.

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>And then after that we were like, okay, so you

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<v Speaker 1>know we're in a good a better space, a good space.

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the church. And they told her they

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<v Speaker 1>would pray for her, and I was like, wait, ha,

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a hard time with that. When the pastor

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>has you know, a dumb ridiculous, big gass house. Like

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a hard time. My mom used to call

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<v Speaker 1>her counselment about it, Like that church, you bid, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't understand why there isn't more um

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<v Speaker 1>like like similar to the Black Panthers where you're supplying

0:43:55.840 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>supplying food and shelter for people, like I don't understand,

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and somebody like, oh my church. I'm just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole because this is such a part of UM,

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a part of Black people and what we pour ourselves

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>into and were pouring ourselves into, not just our faith

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:19.879
<v Speaker 1>absolutely without question, but we're also pouring ourselves into these

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>um these edifices, were pouring ourselves into these these places

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that don't seem to benefit the people as they should.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>There should be more universities, you um, um HBCU should

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<v Speaker 1>not be struggling with the amount of money that comes

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>through you know, um churches. The churches are getting bigger,

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>but and the the you know, the pool is getting bigger.

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>They've got lights like you know, uh, like a show

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>like Vega shows that basket comes around. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>three phone times, you know, I just need it whatever

0:44:56.200 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>it is to actually be a benefit or Yeah, it

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>needs to be a benefit to the people and love

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 1>to the churches that are because we know there's not everybody.

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted shot out to the Alphad Street Baptists over

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>there in Virginia that's trying to keep their church as

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<v Speaker 1>small as possible with their thirty thousand members and still

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<v Speaker 1>given to their hbc U s and all, but thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>They just added, they just added services throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a church once that with the pastor was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a carpenter. That's what he worked. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>that because he could understand it wasn't just a you know,

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>an offering, you know that he was living off offerings

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>that he was actually working. I just don't think you

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>should get without girls, please, Yeah, I think I think

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:55.399
<v Speaker 1>what happens is that, Um, obviously, you have had many

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<v Speaker 1>conversations over the over the you know, several hundred years

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that we've been in this country in the West, where

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've tackled this idea that black wealth and access

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<v Speaker 1>to money helps us as a community and that's going

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>to push us forward. And one of the main places

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 1>where that wealth can be distributed, like you know, is

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>typically in church. And so it was especially for black folks,

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, and or in their religious institutions period, because

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 1>we've seen this kind of thing happen, you know, across faiths,

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to a degree to have a church be

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<v Speaker 1>a base for you know, social um supports and and

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and community supports. But the thing is that the community

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>itself isn't just Christian people. So until we have a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where as a community we can have like diverse

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>spaces for everybody to come together, you know, and under

0:46:55.560 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the guise of strengthening the community and giving resources, uh um,

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll just be empowering these entities to just get into

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the race of who can raise the most money, who

0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>can bring in the most membership, who can do X,

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 1>y and z. Until we start really working into coalitions

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. And not that we don't have them,

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 1>because every idea that we could come up with during

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:21.800
<v Speaker 1>this this podcast, it's been tried. So the thing is

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that I think re re shifting our focus back into

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 1>coalitions is important. I mean, I hate to pull out

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<v Speaker 1>my little history lesson on this one, but we love

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>this part. But you know, Denmark VC, who's really famous

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>revolutionary and man who planned a revolt, uh slave revolt

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that actually was not successful, but it was used as

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a way to I mean, it sparked a lot of

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>change in America moving toward emancipation. So the idea here

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 1>is that when he planned this revolt, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>very devout Christian, but one of his main conspirators was

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a man named Golla Jack and he he um practiced

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:29.359
<v Speaker 1>African spiritual traditions. And hey, you had a man who

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 1>was a devout Christian who planned a slavery vote with

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a man who was strictly in the practice of African spirituality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this is really really profound because

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<v Speaker 1>what it says is that Black people, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>we believe, no matter how we celebrate, no matter what

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we how we worship, that we have a combined and

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>a unified struggle, and that struggle is against the oppressor.

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that's really important when we think

0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>about these kinds of things, that if churches, we can't

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>put all the way on just the one church or

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>just the churches, the churches have to be not be

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.320
<v Speaker 1>afraid to work with the moss. The moss has to

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<v Speaker 1>not be afraid to work with the church. The church

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>had the Moss, can't be afraid to work with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the African spiritualists, you can all of this is

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>all this has to come together so that we can

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<v Speaker 1>serve one another, so that we can celebrate family and

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and and and building up community, you know what I mean.

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>And that's just my personal little two sense belief. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't toss, if we don't toss these things,

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll always have some sort of critique. We will have

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a critique, and that that will that will maintain that

0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>there will be a hierarchy and a and ah, you know,

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>monopoly within each of these spaces. Somebody will come up

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<v Speaker 1>on it. It just is what it is. I am

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<v Speaker 1>looking to see us bloom and prosper and grow from

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 1>our efforts. And anything that you're pouring into that does

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 1>not blossom is futile. It's dead Earth word word. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like you to check out how to make a Negro Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yes, ma'am. Don't get me wrong. You're and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that you know some of you are offended,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're probably going to get me wrong. Well that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do anything about somebody getting me wrong. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do know this that God has been in every

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<v Speaker 1>single instant of my life, every single bit of it.

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>He knows me better then I know myself and has

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<v Speaker 1>been a beautiful, beautiful guide and even my foolishness, and

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>I am grateful for all of it. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>eat an elephant one by it kind it's produced, or

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<v Speaker 1>eaves back with another resource? Today, Jill brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>book How to Make a Negro Christian by Kamal mckazy

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<v Speaker 1>to Hootie. In eighteen forty two, Thomas Purse published the

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<v Speaker 1>book The Religious Instruction of the Negroes in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>written by Charles Colclock Jones. Jones owned plantations in Liberty County, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and wasn't enslavor and a Presbyterian minister. He encouraged other

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<v Speaker 1>ministers and enslavers to provide religious instruction to black people.

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<v Speaker 1>In this book, Jones advocated for evangelizing enslaved people, which

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<v Speaker 1>he thought would make them more obedient, intellectual, morally upstanding

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and pliable, Leaving them without Christianity and in ignorance he

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>believed would make them susceptible to rebellion. Mcazy to Hootie's

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<v Speaker 1>book How to Make a Negro Christian contains a reprint

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<v Speaker 1>of Jones's works, along with commentary and context around how

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<v Speaker 1>and why Black Americans have come to embrace Christianity on

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<v Speaker 1>such a large scale. The history of black folks in

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Christianity is deep and intricate, but you can start with

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<v Speaker 1>How to Make a Negro Christian. I'll drop a link

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode description and that my children, my sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>my brothers, my friends. That is that. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Jay dot Il, always hoping to spark conversation peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Jill Scott Presents j dot

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<v Speaker 1>Hey y'all, y'all, can we pause for one second? One second?

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<v Speaker 1>Hold a couple of years. Hey, hey y'all, you're walking

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<v Speaker 1>too hard on the floor. Sorry, I thought something mouth

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<v Speaker 1>is about to go down I enjoy it every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and listen, you know, agea Um. She gott to

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<v Speaker 1>yell at the people that live in there, the people

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 1>she made, and the one she didn't, yelling at them

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 1>every now and then. They told him to shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're walking too hard. I don't know what it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>cubment in the heel of their foot. When you figured out,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know what I can tell my upstairs neighbor,

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