Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Jason Flam and I'm the host of Wrongful
Speaker 1: Conviction with Jason Flam And I'm Robbiah Audrey, attorney and
Speaker 1: co host of Undisclosed. So today we want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about your civic duty and your responsibility if
Speaker 1: you are chosen to be a juror in a trial.
Speaker 1: So we know, Robbia, we're all eligible for jury. Do
Speaker 1: we all get those notices the mail time to time
Speaker 1: and it's you know, usually a big imposition. Everybody feels like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, I got so many other things to do.
Speaker 1: But I want to urge everyone to try to change
Speaker 1: your attitude about this. We should all view jury duty
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to be a very necessary watchdog for
Speaker 1: those in power and to make sure that real justice
Speaker 1: is done. And that takes each and every one of us. So,
Speaker 1: if you're on a jury, if you're in the jury
Speaker 1: box and the case is a heavy one, what are
Speaker 1: some of the things that people should remember. So first
Speaker 1: of all, I want folks to remember to be skeptical
Speaker 1: of expert testimony. One of the problems that we find
Speaker 1: now is that there's a c s I effect. People
Speaker 1: just think if something is quote scientific it means it's
Speaker 1: actually accurate and factually significant. But a lot of expert
Speaker 1: testimony is based on faulty science. Yes, it's junct sciences everywhere.
Speaker 1: But what about eyewitness accounts, memories, perceptions? What about that?
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the least reliable source of evidence is
Speaker 1: eye witness accounts, and so many of us has faulty memories.
Speaker 1: Is really the I would say, the least reliable evidence
Speaker 1: in a trial. Right, Your mind is not a camera,
Speaker 1: and don't get confused to thinking that it is. What
Speaker 1: about confession testimony? Everyone believes confessions, right, Well, everybody believes
Speaker 1: they wouldn't confess to something they wouldn't do, But it's
Speaker 1: not true. Most of us are, in fact, very susceptible
Speaker 1: to coercion. Don't accept confession testimony to be accurate unless
Speaker 1: you have seen the entire interrogation and you know that
Speaker 1: this person was non coerced. Right, everyone has a breaking point.
Speaker 1: And we know that up to thirty percent of exaggerations
Speaker 1: involved false confessions to crimes that these people didn't commit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, change your attitude about that entirely right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: and what about lineup and photo array evidence? Are those reliable? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to be skeptical of lineup and photo ray
Speaker 1: evidence because sometimes people can say that's him, that's definitely him,
Speaker 1: and then other times, you know, they might be led
Speaker 1: on by a cop who's saying, well, look, maybe he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like the others, but what about this one.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one that makes my blood boil.
Speaker 1: But how about snitch testimony? Snitch testimony get out of
Speaker 1: here always almost always incentivized. You have somebody in prison
Speaker 1: who's trying to get something exchange for this testimony. Not reliable,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, they offer people years off their sentence
Speaker 1: or even to drop all their charges of exchange that
Speaker 1: testifying against somebody else, So that testimony, it shouldn't even
Speaker 1: be allowed. To learn more and get involved. Listen to
Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction Podcasts one of my favorite podcasts, and don't
Speaker 1: forget to listen to Undisclosed. There's so much in that podcast.
Speaker 1: Every time you listen, you're gonna find some new stuff
Speaker 1: that you'll be talking about around the water cooler. Remember,
Speaker 1: as a juror, this is your responsibility, right, So it's
Speaker 1: almost like a juror's bill of rights. And the more
Speaker 1: you understand, the better the chances that will get actual justice,
Speaker 1: that will have a fairer system for everyone,