1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Jason Flamm, and I'm the host of Wrongful 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Conviction with Jason Flamm. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: And I'm Robbia Jaudry, attorney and co host of Undisclosed. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 2: So today we want to talk to you about your 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: civic duty and your responsibility if you are chosen to 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: be a juror in a trial. 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: So we know, Robbia, we're all eligible for jury duty. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: We all get those notices in the mail time to time, 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: and it's usually a big imposition. Everybody feels like, oh damn, 10 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: I got so many other things to do. But I 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: want to urge everyone to try to change your attitude 12 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: about this. We should all view jury duty as an 13 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to be a very necessary watchdog for those in 14 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: power and to make sure that real justice is done. 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: And that takes each and every one of us. So, 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: if you're on a jury, if you're in the jury 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: box and the case is a heavy one, what are 18 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: some of the things that people should remember. 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: So first of all, I want folks to remember to 20 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: be skeptical of expert testimony. One of the problems that 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: we find now is that there's a CSI effect. People 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: just think if something is quote scientific, it means it's 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: actually accurate and factually significant. But a lot of expert 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: testimony is based on faulty science. 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's junk sciences everyone, But what about eyewitness accounts, memories, perceptions? 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: What about that? 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm telling you the least reliable source of evidence is 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: eyewitness accounts and so many of us as faulty memories? 29 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Is really the I would say, the least reliable evidence 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: in a trial. 31 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Right, Your mind is not a camera, and don't get 32 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: confused to thinking that it is. What about confession testimony? 33 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: Everyone believes confessions, right, Well. 34 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: Everybody believes they wouldn't confess to something they wouldn't do, 35 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: But it's not true. Most of us are, in fact, 36 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: very susceptible to coercion. Don't accept confession testimony to be 37 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: accurate unless you have seen the entire interrogation and you 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: know that this person was non coerced. 39 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: Right, everyone has a breaking point. And we know that 40 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: up to thirty percent of exonerations involve false confessions to 41 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: crimes that these people didn't commit. So yeah, change your 42 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: attitude about that entirely, right now. Okay, and what about 43 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: lineup and photo array evidence? Are those reliable? 44 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? You want to be skeptical of lineup and photo 45 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: array evidence because sometimes people can say that's that's definitely him, 46 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: and then other times, you know, they might be let 47 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: on by a cop who's saying, well, look, maybe he 48 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: doesn't look like the others, but what about this one. 49 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one that makes my blood boil. 50 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: But how about snitch testimony? 51 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: Snitch testimony get out of here always almost always incentivized. 52 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: You have somebody in prison who's trying to get something 53 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: exchange for this testimony. 54 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Not reliable, it's crazy. Wait, they offer people years off 55 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: their sentence or even to drop all their charges of 56 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: exchange with testifying against somebody else. So that testimony, it 57 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't even be allowed. 58 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: To learn more and get involved. Listen to Wrongful Conviction 59 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: Podcasts one of my favorite podcasts. 60 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: And don't forget to listen to Undisclosed. There's so much 61 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: in that podcast. Every time you listen, you're going to 62 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: find some new stuff that you'll be talking about around 63 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the water cooler. 64 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Remember, as a juror, this is your responsibility. 65 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Right, so it's almost like a jurors bill of rights. 66 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: And the more you understand, the better the chance is 67 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: that we'll get actual justice that will have a fairer 68 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: system for everyone.