1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Please. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt 4 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Williamson and Matt the looks like assumes we can assume 5 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: that Ben Roethlisberger will be back with the Steelers. We've 6 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: talked a lot about this. I think, uh, we've laid 7 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: this out pretty well, I think over the last two months. Yeah, 8 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: money and how do you replace them and all those 9 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: type of things. It's a it's not an easy decision. 10 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: It is not unless yeah, there there are definitely a 11 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: lot of layers there. Everything. But Ben Roethlisberger meeting with 12 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Art Rooney the second on Tuesday, his agent again coming 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: out Ryan Tolner and saying that you know, the meeting 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: went well, and you know we're we're willing to do 15 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: what we need to do to come back. And then 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: Ben City wants to come back. They said they want 17 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: us back. Art Ruining the Second then releasing a statement 18 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: today saying that you know that he met with Roethlisberger 19 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: there in agreement that you know what they need to 20 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: do to win a championship. He's in He's on board 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: with winning a championship. That to me was the interesting 22 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: part of the statement, because one of the other statements 23 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: at Art Rooney the second talked about after the season 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: was Hey, we need to run the ball better, right, 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: that's been coming from the top lately. So I think 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: part of this is hey Ben, but part of this 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: part of the conversation says, hey Ben, I know your quarterback, 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I know you want to throw the football. What we've 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: seen that, but I'm sure they have them, like we 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: don't have the numbers of how many times a run 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: play was called in Roethlisberger said, I walked up to 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: the line of scrimag said now we're gonna throw the 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: throw the ball here right the crowding the line of scrimmage, 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do And we have no idea it 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: goes back to two thousand to you. But I bet 36 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: our Rooney has a pretty good idea. Bet the coaching 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: staff is a pretty good half has a very very 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: good And Mr Rooney says, hey, what you checked that 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: you checked out of the out of a run play 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: of the time to just throwing a number out. Uh, 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we can't have that as much anymore. We're trying to 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: protect you in these situations even if it's super appealing. 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: Unless it's extremely appealing, you know, and you've got Claypool 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: one on one on a corner that you want to attack. Great, 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: but we need to stick with the script and help 46 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: the whole squad a little bit more. Um less on 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: your shoulders. We saw how it went and we need 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: to change it, and we'll do our part and give 49 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: you a better running game, or you know, try to 50 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: build one for you. But I'm sure that's how it goes, 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: you know. I mean if your boss asked you why 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: aren't you guys calling more runs, and they said, well, 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: they're getting cold, coach, you know you know what I mean, like, 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: can I do so much? I guess the thing? Um 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: it's the I guess the blessing and the curse of 56 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: having a veteran quarterback on the field and people can say, well, 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: why don't wyn't you just tell him to run? What's 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: what's you know, what's called? You're still you want to 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: give him the leeway to Hey, Ben, you know one 60 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of the things that we talked about a lot offs 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: in the off season, and the Steelers talked about it. Hey, 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: what we missed in was having Brent Ben's brain out 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: there exactly exactly right. You know, one of the things 64 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: put you in the put you in the right place. Well, 65 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: so if you're gonna start second guessing every time he 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: calls something different or every time he checks out of something, 67 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: at some point he's just gonna go, Okay, I'll run 68 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: what you call and if it works, it works. If 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah, I mean, because there's rules. 70 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you come up to the line and you 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: get what you want, you check to the past. Then, 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: but there's also a defense saying we want you to 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: check to the past because we know it's gonna be 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: a short crosser. And you know what I mean, we're 75 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: we we make you predictable, or they'll show you something 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: and they'll back out of it the last second. You 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of that. And but my hunch is 78 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: a lot of ties or gray areas went to the past. Yeah, 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, and that's the ones that need to change. 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: And I'm not bashing Ben. You know, if if he 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: had a running game he relied on, he probably would 82 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: be more. That's the thing, if if he had I 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: think if he had a better running game, he would 84 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: be more willing to do so if it was two 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. Yeah, when you have Levy on Bell, So 86 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: I think that's also part of the conversation that took place. O, Hey, 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: we're going to get a better running back. Yes, right, 88 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: like this is not going to be what you know, 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: This is not gonna be what it was. Yeah, So 90 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: to me it makes it even and you and I 91 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: both just what will be dropping here soon on on 92 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Steve there's dot com. So I don't think we're tipping 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: our hat too much. But people who who want and 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: we don't. I don't know what Mike Pursuit has picked yet. 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: I haven't seen his draft, but we did both did 96 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: our dresses sent him in. Um, people who are on 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: board with the Steelers selecting a running back early in 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the draft, I think we'll like, like, well like the 99 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: direction that we would at that and not to mention 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: the three of us did our our running back triple 101 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: take is out there today too, so you can learn 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the top guys. It's not 103 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: a wonderful running back class, but there's more than just one. 104 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: I know people were centering in well, they gotta get 105 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: nausea Harris and Nausea. Harris would look great in the 106 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: Steelers uniform. He would look very nice. Yeah. But my god, 107 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: Javonte Williams is starting to push up some boards now 108 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: I've seen that too. Yeah, I mean he's starting to 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: be a gain some steam. Yeah he is. And a 110 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: t N to me is a really talented guy too. 111 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: He's a little different than those guys. And I think 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a three horse race with those three guys. 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: I think any of them are massive improvements without a question. Um. 114 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I keep using the example of those of l Way 115 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: with Terrell Davis. I mean, I think that's how you 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: have to sell it to Ben is Ben you? I 117 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: mean Ben used to tell Levian Bell that all the time, 118 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I want you to be my Terrell Davis, and he 119 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: treated it that way. I mean you think back to 120 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: the two thousands, Yeah, I mean the two thousand's was 121 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: the seventeen or six notes two thousand six team playoff 122 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: run that they went on the second half of the season, 123 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: He's getting the ball five times a game and then 124 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: in the playoffs even more with the thirty So they 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: were treating it that way, right. I mean, Tomlin has 126 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: a history of feeding the guy. Um even back then 127 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: the D'Angel Williams is a backup at one point too. 128 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean they were really solid, too deep, really right, 129 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and he was a good receiver. And I think you 130 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: can do that this offseason. I think you can accomplish 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: that with this team because that's second back. Deangel and 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: Williams didn't cost him a lot of money. Levian Bell 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: wasn't costing them anything comparatively. They paid him his first 134 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: four seasons. They paid him two point five million dollars 135 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: up four years. Wondering why he's hold up beat into 136 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: the ground and made point five right, Um, now you're right, 137 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean Harris or Williams or whoever needs to hit, 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, but the running I mean running 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: back hit rates are pretty high, right, I mean you'd 140 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: be happy with Acres, Dobbins, Taylor, you know and all 141 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: those guys most year. But they were all quite good, 142 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, right. Um, No, I think you can build 143 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: a running game, not overnight. But I have to dedicate 144 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: yourself to it a little bit more. Run the ball 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more and convinced Ben that's the right 146 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: move and show them this is this is why you know, Yeah, 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, it's kind of a 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: chicken or the egg thing as well. Yeah, do you 149 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people sit way, 150 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: you need to build the offensive line first before you 151 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: get the running back. But the same token, a great 152 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: running back makes your offensive line better, and that's much 153 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: easier to find. It is much easier to find, and 154 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: most analytics folks, and I'm a believer of this too, 155 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: that the old line is more important. Absolutely, Yeah, you 156 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: got to building, and I got to spend money, and 157 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take should I use it on a tackle? 158 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Which I used on the center? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Running 159 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: backs down the list. But I go back to two 160 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. I mean I didn't think the line. I 161 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: didn't think the run blocking was very good this year. 162 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was much better in two thousand eighteen, 163 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: but nobody would ever know it because the quarterback play 164 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: was so poor. In the running back I'm sorry that 165 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: the non been year, right that was nineteen that if 166 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: they would have had I mean I'm not even talking 167 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: to Lead Bell in his prime, but I mean a good, 168 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: above average back in two thousand nineteen, it would have 169 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: been a lot different. When when James Conner was healthy 170 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: that year. They were okay, They were okay, they were okay. 171 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: When he wasn't healthy, they were in trouble, they were right. 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: So it makes you think you might what about this approach, 173 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: like so who's your who's your two though? You know, 174 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: like if you if you're gonna be pretty dedicated to 175 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna use a pretty high pick on a rookie, 176 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: and we know one's gonna either, we'll probably leave this 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: thing with a good back. I wouldn't hate bringing Connor back. 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate that. I would like to have a 179 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: veteran back behind him, kind of like they did with 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: Bell early in his career. Kind of like the Angelo Williams. Okay, 181 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: you've got the young guy here, he's gonna need you 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: need somebody in there. And you still have a very 183 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: young running back room regardless and inexpensive, yeah, inexpense done 184 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: caution anything, so you can go out, you can find 185 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: a veteran running you know. Carlos High was two million 186 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: dollars for the Seahawks this year. Carlos High would look 187 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: great as your number two running back. He's gonna help 188 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: your first round pick or early pick with protections and 189 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, all these difference, all the little tips and things. 190 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: Here's here's what to look for when the the you know, 191 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: the linebackers shows this and you know, do this that 192 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: kind of that's why Frank gorstn't the league, Not because 193 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: he's anymore. He's a huge positive influence over everybody, and 194 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: he knows exactly where to go and all those type 195 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: of things. There's more to play in running back than 196 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: just being big and fast, you know. Um, but a 197 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: guy like Connor or Jamal Williams or high you know, 198 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: after a month or three day he'll be guys cut loose, 199 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, with some size to him. I don't think 200 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: that would your running back room and still be very 201 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: somebody with a little bit of pedigree that the young 202 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: guy is gonna sail. Yeah, you know, I've seen you 203 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: have success. Yeah, I've seen you. I've seen you rush 204 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: for a thousand yards. You know that's kind of like that. Yeah, 205 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: without question that McFarland's your wild card, third guy that 206 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: maybe the light turns on. Maybe he'd give you something, 207 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: but you're not counting on him. It's realistically for me, 208 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: if I'm the Steelers, I'm going into this offseason and 209 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, okay, um, I need really to two running backs, right, 210 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: because I'm not guaranteeing Jaylen Samuel's anything. You're two years 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: into Snow. I think he does enough on on special 212 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: teams that yeah, you know, but he's not in my 213 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: two deep No, I'm not. I'm not happy if I 214 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: come in into if I go into training camp and 215 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: Benny Snow is still the number two back exactly exactly. 216 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he probably makes the team, right because you 217 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: do need your you know, your backs do need because 218 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: that veteran running that you sign probably isn't playing teams. 219 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Probably not. I mean the hides of the world. Those 220 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: guys aren't playing teams. And Anthony McFarland isn't playing teams 221 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: unless he's returning kicks, and you probably have somebody else 222 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: who could do that. No, that's a good point. Um. Yeah, 223 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: and still again, cheap running back room. If you could 224 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: have a veteran that's kind of in the Hayward Bay 225 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: mold of the running back room. But younger, you know, 226 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: obviously running backs don't last as long, and the young 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: youngest guy is by far your most talented dude in 228 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: that room. It's not a bad situation not right, It 229 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: isn't and even and you can scheme up the run 230 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: game too. I mean, your line doesn't have to be 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: wonderful to be able to run the football. That was 232 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: one of the issues with Garrett Blunt, by the way, 233 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: Um he was brought in to be that guy, to 234 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: be that mentor type player, but it wasn't his personality right, 235 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: But he was mentoring in the wrong way. Yeah, the 236 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: wrong direction. Like the Angelo is a much better example, right, 237 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: he was a much better fit. So that you know, 238 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: you have to pick the right guy. Um, but I 239 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: think you do need that. Yeah, when you have that 240 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: young when you have a room that's that young, but 241 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: that young, right, and that inexperienced, And yeah, I think 242 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: it's that's a smart way of looking at it. That 243 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: pigeon holds you a little bit though. You know, on 244 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: draft day, what if we don't get our guy, or 245 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: what if this tackle that we can't believe still there 246 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: is there and we end up not getting our guy. 247 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, you're better somewhere else. I think I think 248 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: you need to be aggressive with it. If you do 249 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: go tackle in the first round, then you need to 250 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: be aggressive it with it to go get the running 251 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: back to unless you unless you know they maybe they 252 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: have a better grade on some of these other guys. 253 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: And there's some of like like five or six of them. 254 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Were we only like three and we may like four 255 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: or five by draft day two, right, I mean there's 256 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: some guys out there that they could be from Oklahoma 257 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: or the Virginia Tech kid or Sermon maybe or you 258 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: know some of those. Depends on what you're looking for. 259 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know, I've I've seen about 260 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: you know Mac, what kind of back there's Matt Canada 261 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: favor Well, he had success in college. Just his last 262 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: couple of stops with James Conner, with Anthony McDonald, right 263 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Farland with Darius guys. Oh yeah, those are three different backs. Yeah, 264 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: McFarland's not like he's not like the other ones. More 265 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: talented at all. I got, I got. We have this 266 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: thing on on on d K Pittsburgh Sports dot com, 267 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: um that you can up cup or down cup something 268 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: if you like it. If you like it, you up 269 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: cup it. If you down cup it, you down cup it. 270 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, you downcup it. So 271 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: somebody asked me, um has been capable of running Matt 272 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Canada's offense and I and I said, that's not the question. 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: It needs to be asked the question that needed a 274 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: good Good coaches adjust to the players that they have, 275 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: not the other way around. You don't ask players to 276 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: do something they're not capable of doing. That's bad coaching. 277 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: If you do that, you're not going to be around 278 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: very long. I got down Cup like crazy, are you 279 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: people morons? That is what I wanted to say. I 280 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't say this on there and and if anybody's listening, 281 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: who who down cut me on this? You don't know 282 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: what you're talking about if you were a coach, and 283 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: I bring I used the rich Rodriguez all the time. 284 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: We have to. He takes a job at Michigan, which 285 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: was which was nine and four of the year before 286 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: he got there. They have all these high recruits as 287 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, they have a pocket passer, all that stuff 288 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: is in place, and he says, oh no, we gotta 289 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: run my system. His system was built to win at 290 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: smaller schools that don't get those kind of players, right right, 291 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean we played against him at it it was brilliant. 292 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean he leveled the playing field. He fell in 293 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: love with his system as opposed to adjusting, and they 294 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: went three and nine the next year. As for Canada 295 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: and Ben, trust me, I think they need to marry 296 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: their ideas, you know, like, hey, I can make This 297 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: is what Kevin Colbert was taught king about, and he says, 298 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: we're not gonna We're not gonna just simply implement Matt 299 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Canada's style and system overnight. You can't go out and 300 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: get the players that he wants in his system overnight, 301 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: so you have to adjust. There's a couple of really 302 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: good examples of that around the league. Two years ago, 303 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the Packers hire Matt Lafleur, who brings in a Shanahan system, 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: massive play action, and the old dog Rogers wasn't real 305 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: up for it. In year one, you know, they won 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: thirteen games, but he was nothing like this player, and 307 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: he when he wasn't close to the M v P conversation, 308 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: he bought in much much more and they both came 309 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: to an agreement, you know, like, Okay, I understand you 310 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. After one year and the same thing 311 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: was true. Actually Shanahan's first year as offensive coordinator with Atlanta, 312 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan has come out many times and said we 313 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: didn't really see eye to eye that first year. The 314 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: second year they went to the Super Bowl and should 315 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: have won it, and he should have won the m 316 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: v P. I think he did actually, and see I 317 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: think here's where the Steelers are a step ahead out 318 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: of that. Canada's Yeah, Canada has worked with Ben for 319 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: the for the first year, they implemented some of that stuff. 320 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: This year they both they know each other. It was 321 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback coach, right, you know, so you have those 322 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: things in place, and you know there were two really good, 323 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: potential Hall of Fame old dog quarterbacks that change the 324 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: way they play because the league is giving you those opportunities. 325 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: You're crazy not to but don't ask them to be 326 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I mean good coaches adjust to what 327 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: they have. Yes, you know, I I equated. You know, 328 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: I've coached baseball for years. I coached basketball for years. 329 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: If I have if I have a team of if 330 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm coaching a basketball team and my team is is 331 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: I got I got five six, five guys. We're not 332 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: gonna be sprinting up and down the front. We're not 333 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: fast breaking like crazy. We're gonna get in a half 334 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: court set. And I'm gonna pound the ball inside. If 335 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of five nine guys, yeah, we're 336 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: gonna fast break a lot because we can't get into 337 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: a half court set. You know, if if, if, if 338 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: I've got a a big, lumbering baseball team, We're not 339 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: gonna be bunning and stealing bases. We're gonna hit. We're 340 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna try to hit doubles and home runs. And think 341 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: about it from Canada shoes. Like you said, he's got 342 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: a year in the building, a year in very close 343 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: quarters with Ben and Rudolph at the time. But he 344 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: takes the o C job a couple of weeks ago 345 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, not knowing exactly who is opening day starter is, 346 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: but pretty much knowing it's not gonna be a great athlete. Yeah, 347 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he took the job knowing that he took 348 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: the job knowing that, Okay, they picked up Askins, Rudolph's 349 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: gonna make the team. Rudolph might be my opening day starter. 350 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be Ben, who I'm most familiar with. 351 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: That's who I know. I mean, it's not going to 352 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: be some super athlete. Now he may get Now, he 353 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: may get like you know, they could say, hey, which 354 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: one of these mid round quarterbacks do you like? This year? 355 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna throw one into the equation because 356 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. M gonna be Jamie Newman, who's 357 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: different than anybody, right, And you get that guy and 358 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: you get to work with him for you know, a 359 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: year or two and see what you got. Or they 360 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: may wait until next year and say, okay, which one 361 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: of these first round guys do you like it? You 362 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: know that, And of course he's watching quarterbacks as we speak, 363 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: putting grades on all absolutely trade lance happens to fall 364 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: for some crazy reason, they grab him and there's nothing 365 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: like what they have. But you know, I mean, you 366 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: gotta be realistic too. Yeah, I mean again, but that's 367 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: that's just good coaches adjust to what they have, not 368 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: the other way around. That's how you get fired. It's 369 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: different in college. You know, I can recruit, Yeah, I 370 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: can go out and get I can go get twenty 371 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks. We can recruit twenty five different athletes and 372 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: I'll figure out where they're gonna go exactly. I mean. 373 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: In the NFL, it's like if I get a good player, 374 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: I gotta make things easy for you. It's like you 375 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: know when I remember when when Mike Tomlin was talking 376 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: about Aaron Donald, when Aaron Donald was coming out in 377 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: the draft, and Aaron Donald didn't fit the Steelers system, 378 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: that he didn't he's done guy at all. But Tomla said, 379 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, for a guy like that, you figure out 380 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: what you you draft a player, and then you figure 381 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: out how you can best use him, because he's the 382 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: best player guards us. And of course you might not 383 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: have his high grade on him as a pure four 384 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: three team because you do have a certain scheme. But 385 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: if he's better than everybody, you still at him and 386 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: make you know, you make concessions. He's sitting there, you know, 387 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: he go, he went a couple of picks before the Steelers, 388 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: But if he's still sitting there that year fifteen, they 389 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: probably I mean, you just take the player. I mean, 390 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: in that situation, you just rush them on third downs 391 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: even or switch your defense completely once you stabled himself 392 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: as an elite player. You know so, and they have 393 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: already I mean Cam Heyward and to it, they're similar 394 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: to Aaron Smith and Kiesel and those guys, but not 395 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: really what they're asked to do. I mean, the defense 396 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: has changed mat they've they've changed what they do because 397 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: of the players that they have. Yeah, and the way 398 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: the leagues go, you know right now they you know 399 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: then now they ask those guys that they're allowed to 400 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: rush the pass or you're not just holding up guys too, 401 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: were taking on, you know, double teams so the outside 402 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: linebackers can get there. You guys to be playmakers up front. 403 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: It goes. I mean, it's the it's the old when 404 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: you have red paint, you paint the barn red. That's 405 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: why Tomlin says that that's a that's an old coaching adage, 406 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely correct. If you if you have read 407 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: paint and you try to paint the barn green, doesn't 408 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: look so good. Doesn't look first of all, it's not green. 409 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: And if they're paying you, if we're to be green, 410 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: we said, well, I don't have any green paint, you 411 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: know well, And defenses now are so less stringent upon 412 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: that stuff too. You know, just just give me good 413 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: players and I'll fit them in. And I think offenses 414 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: have gone that way too. I mean, very few teams 415 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: are like we need this style of running back. I mean, 416 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: if they love Travis a t N and have a 417 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: top ten grade on them or a top fifteen grade 418 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: on them, because we've always big playability. Well, we're gonna 419 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: run the ball a little differently than we have before 420 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: because they just you changed the way that you know. Okay, 421 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: he's better in zone scheme than he is man. All right, 422 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna run more zone scheme. We got a young 423 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: line anyway. We need to teach coach up anyway, you know. So, Uh, 424 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: it sounds like there's good communication between Ben and the 425 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: team and that's what needed to take play. I think that's, 426 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: you know, to get back to our initial point that 427 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: that was all part of this because the contract stuff, 428 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: to me is pretty simple, right, there's not many options 429 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: with the contracts, you know. It's not if Ben would 430 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: have boxed at it and say I'm not changing my contract, 431 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: well then we got problems. But you know you're gonna 432 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: get your money. Yeah, I'm sure he's being cordial about 433 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: it at all. I mean he said something about I'm 434 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: not really worried about the money because he knows he's 435 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: getting it. He's not playing for nothing. He's gonna get 436 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: the money that's guaranteed to him, however shape or form 437 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: it's in. But we need to have some philosophical discussions 438 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: about how we can make this offense better and make 439 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: your life easier. And the people who said, well he 440 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: should just you know, waive all that and just play 441 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: for a million dollars. Would you do your job for free? 442 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: That's basically what you're asking a job that, oh, by 443 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: the way, can maim you for life, and you've been 444 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it. Yeah, you 445 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: don't do that. You don't know, and you don't if 446 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: you're the Steelers, I don't know that you asked him 447 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: to do that. That's a slap in the face. Slap 448 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: in the face, right, It doesn't send the right message 449 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: the rest of the locker room. But you know, like 450 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: it's that's not good for winning in the big picture 451 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: or the team in the big picture. Um yeah, I 452 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: mean so in the end, what we think is going 453 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to happen is he's going to sign a three year deal, 454 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: right probably probably, Yeah, probably a three year That gets 455 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: him again, that allows them to save if they if 456 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: they just turn everything into the signing bonus um, that 457 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: saves him fourteen million dollars this year, that gets them 458 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: under the salary cap. Yeah, it's a good chunk of money. 459 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: And then again you have to ask yourself, you know, 460 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: would you rather have Ben Roethlisberger at fourteen, you know 461 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: in your in five million less in cap space, or 462 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: no Ben Roethlisberger you have five million more in cap space. 463 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: But now you gotta go sign somebody. Somebody you're gonna 464 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: You're gonna sign because you don't even know Dwayne Haskins. 465 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be on your roster, right yeah, I mean 466 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: unless they love a door Rootolf, And I think if 467 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: they loved their adored Rootolf, Ben might not be back, right, 468 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if they thought he was a star. 469 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: I don't think any Again, I'm the biggest Mason Mason 470 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: Rudolph guy that you'll find in Pittsburgh. And I mean 471 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: he's that's he's not. That's not who he is. That's 472 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: not who he is. I mean, I don't think that's 473 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: what I think. He's a he's a capable backup. He's 474 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: a guy that Okay, if everything around him is great, 475 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're you're a playoff team, but we're 476 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: talking about a team that's gonna lose some pieces here 477 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: that you know. It's funny too, because I don't think 478 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: they would have traded for Stafford or Golf or Wentz. 479 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: Guys have already moved, So I don't think it was like, well, 480 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: maybe we'll try this Stafford route I didn't work out, 481 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: we'll settle for bad like I don't think they were 482 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: by We're gonna go to Darnald route. And I just 483 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: think this year was too hard. Next year you can, Yeah, 484 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: next year that makes sense as we're seeing I mean 485 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: the last two years, I mean last year at this time, 486 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about what all the quarterback movement it's going 487 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: to take place this year, and then this year, well, 488 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: this is gonna be an unprecedented year for quarterback movement. 489 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: Next year's next year gonna be Look, you know that's 490 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: the same thing. Everybody's looking for that guy. Everybody's looking 491 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: at that guy. And we've always talked about the first 492 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: rounders that move teams left and right. Rudolph's gonna be 493 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: a free agent. You know, there will be guys available 494 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: next year that that nobody's even thinking about right now. 495 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, the Raiders gonna you know, they could move 496 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: on from Derek Carr or maybe the again we talked 497 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: about Jordan's love. Yeah, Jordan loves is about the name 498 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: to mention too, or who's who drafts a quarterback this 499 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: year that that you know, we didn't expect and all 500 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden now that you know, maybe you get 501 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: you get a Romo situation in Dallas with Dak Prescott 502 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: where Dak Prescott comes out and oh he looks good. 503 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Or I mean think Russell Wilson with Matt Flynn. Atlanta 504 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: drafts Justin Fields and Ryan's great this year, but you 505 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: got Fields sitting there, so you got they move on 506 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: from Ryan. There's a ton of different examples. They're hard 507 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: to see today, you know. I mean, who knows Daniel 508 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: Jones has a big year but they don't want to 509 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: bring him back, or I don't know. I mean there's 510 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: a lot of different options that the league change is 511 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: very very fast, very quickly. I mean a year ago 512 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: at this time, it was unthinkable that the Eagles with 513 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: trade Carson Wentz unthinkable, absolutely coming off a Super Bowl, 514 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: right coming off Bowl. I mean, but next year, whoever 515 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: those guys are, whether it's via trade or good in 516 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: the free agent market, or maybe even trading up in 517 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: the draft, I think you're set up pretty well to 518 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: attack the cat space right right. You got the cap 519 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: space much more so than this year. He is Matt Williamson. 520 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally. You're you've been listening to the Drive 521 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. We want to thank Jacob 522 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: Breck for keeping us on the air, and we want 523 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: to thank you for listening to this edition of The 524 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.