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Speaker 1: On this episode of news World.

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Speaker 2: As President Trump pledges to dismantle the deep state in

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Speaker 2: his second term, a groundbreaking investigation reveals the extensive network

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Speaker 2: of activist organizations already mobilizing to resist his reform efforts.

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Speaker 2: In his new book, The Woke to Puss the Dark

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Speaker 2: money cabal manipulating the Federal government, Tyler O'Neill maps the

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Speaker 2: intricate web of dark money foundations and activist groups embedded

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Speaker 2: within federal agencies. As America prepares for fundamental reform of

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Speaker 2: the administrative state, with major policy battles looming over immigration, enforcement,

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Speaker 2: energy independence, and labor regulations, O'Neill provides an essential blueprint

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Speaker 2: for understanding and overcoming the force's opposing reform here to

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Speaker 2: talk about his new book and the newly formed Department

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Speaker 2: of Government Efficiency known as DOGE. I'm really pleased to

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Speaker 2: welcome my guest, Tyler O'Neil. He is a senior editor

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Speaker 2: at The Daily Signal, which I will tell you I

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Speaker 2: look at every single day. Tyler, welcome and thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining me on newts World.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Speaker Gingert, It's an honor be

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Speaker 3: with you now.

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Speaker 2: I'm just guessing the youth started working on this book

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Speaker 2: before any of us had ever heard of Doge.

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Speaker 1: What influenced you in.

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Speaker 2: Wanting to tell the story of how the far left

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Speaker 2: agenda has infiltrated the federal government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, the number one organization I've been following most closely

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Speaker 3: for years is a group called the Southern Poverty Law Center,

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Speaker 3: and I think many of your listeners may be aware

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Speaker 3: of them. They began with noble intentions when they started.

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Speaker 3: They actually did did represent poor people in the South

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Speaker 3: legally and got people off of death row who were

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Speaker 3: falsely convicted, like really great noble beginnings. But like so

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Speaker 3: many of these often left wing activist groups, they go

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Speaker 3: from noble beginnings to starting to have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of corruption to outright attacking Conservatives and Christians. And so

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Speaker 3: the SPLC started suing Ku Klux Klan groups into bankruptcy,

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Speaker 3: which was a really great thing to do in the

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Speaker 3: early eighties. Of Course, the problem is that even in

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Speaker 3: the early eighties, the lawyers of the SPLC said that

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Speaker 3: suing clan groups was like shooting fish in a barrel,

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Speaker 3: and they said that it was really easy. They said

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Speaker 3: their representation that they needed because the SPLC was so

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Speaker 3: focused on fighting clan groups that barely existed anymore at

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Speaker 3: the time, and so you had this shift. So Morris D's,

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Speaker 3: clan groups. He would get a major settlement in court.

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Speaker 3: It was like millions of dollars. The Klan group didn't

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Speaker 3: could go to his donors and say, I got this

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Speaker 3: millions and millions of dollars, and so over time he

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Speaker 3: ran out of grand dragons to conquer. It was a

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Speaker 3: supply and demand problem, as redheaded libertarian Josie Glabach was

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Speaker 3: saying on timcast earlier this week, and I think she

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Speaker 3: SPLC started saying, hey, look at the Family Research Council,

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Speaker 3: Hey look at Alliance Defending Freedom, Hey look at the

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Speaker 3: Center for Security Policy. These mainstream conservative and Christian groups

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Speaker 3: are really hate groups. They belong on a map with

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Speaker 3: the Ku Klux Klan, and they might pose a domestic

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Speaker 3: terrorism threat to other Americans. I was paying attention to

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Speaker 3: really shocking signs that the SPLC was being brought into

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration to advise on domestic terrorism. And this

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Speaker 3: the Southern Poverty Law Center, which had racial discrimination and

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Speaker 3: sexual harassment scandal in twenty nineteen, their hate map was

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Speaker 3: if that group could have access in the White House,

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Speaker 3: what other groups were having access in the White House.

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Speaker 3: So I did a little digging. I saw the White

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Speaker 3: foundations that were directing money to the SPLC, that were

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Speaker 3: also directing into these other groups. And what I came

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Speaker 3: across was this huge influenced network that is entrenched in

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Speaker 3: the federal bureaucracy. And it's the kind of thing that

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Speaker 3: Trump is coming in. Thank God, it's a new day

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Speaker 3: in America. We have DEI pushed out, woke, pushed out

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Speaker 3: by executs of order, removed from the federal government, and

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Speaker 3: yet these ideas and many of the bureaucrats who support

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Speaker 3: going to get worse. And President Trump, I think he

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Speaker 3: understands the threat. But this book lays out the specifics

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Speaker 3: after this historic election.

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Speaker 2: And since your book could almost be a roadmap for

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Speaker 2: the Department of Government.

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Speaker 3: Efficiency, yes, I would like to think so.

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Speaker 2: And I noticed that on his first day in office,

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Speaker 2: Trump signed an executive order establishing the Department of Government Efficiency.

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Speaker 2: They are supposed to basically end on July fourth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, so they're in a pretty short runway. What

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Speaker 2: do you think they can actually get done in that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a lot that DOGE can get done.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting he established it in what's now the US

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Speaker 3: DOGE Service, but it was the US Digital Service and

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Speaker 3: Department that was created by Barack Obama. There are four

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty eight federal agencies, by the way, so

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Speaker 3: this is one of them that Obama created. That's now

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Speaker 3: being repurposed to root out waste and abuse in the

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Speaker 3: federal government, which is a great step forward. Trump is

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Speaker 3: also creating little dogelets in each of the existing federal

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Speaker 3: great deal that DOGE can do with these smaller agencies

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Speaker 3: within the other agencies. They can pay attention to and

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Speaker 3: find any of the roles that were previously focused on DEI.

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Speaker 3: These diversity, equity and inclusion really really falsely labeled, because,

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Speaker 3: as I'm sure your audience is very well aware, DEI

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Speaker 3: the lines of critical race theory. But it's really good

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Speaker 3: he's getting rid of that from the top, but from

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Speaker 3: the bottom. You have to have these small agencies of

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Speaker 3: to notice when a job was created to enforce DEI,

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Speaker 3: sometimes those jobs are being relabeled and the people in

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Speaker 3: those roles are being relabeled so that they'll survive as

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Speaker 3: of the deep state. Another really shocking development I saw

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Speaker 3: there was this poll from Nepolitan Institute, and you cited

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Speaker 3: you for that. It showed that sixty four percent of

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Speaker 3: DC based federal employees who voted for Kamala Harris so

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Speaker 3: that they would not follow a legal Trump order if

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Speaker 3: DOGE is a really important step in rooting it out.

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Speaker 3: But we have to be focused on all sorts of

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Speaker 3: I think my book highlights the left's massive influence campaign

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Speaker 3: and provides, as you said, a roadmap for DOGE to

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Speaker 3: actually implement its very important goal.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that a number of Democrats have actually agreed

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Speaker 2: to serve on the DOGE subcommittee, in pretty impressive group.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, what do you make of the.

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Speaker 2: Fact that they are clearly leaning forward and willing to

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Speaker 3: Well, so, there was one Democrat who joined the DOGE

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Speaker 3: actually be interested in cutting government waste and abuse. The

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Speaker 3: new Democrats who just joined have said publicly that they

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Speaker 3: could be. We have this notion that all the bureaucrats

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Speaker 3: also a lot of civil serpents who are being protected

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Speaker 3: by these arcane rules that are really pushed by these

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Speaker 3: public sector unions. And one of the things that I

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Speaker 3: that public sector unions play and to listen to somebody

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Speaker 3: I don't usually prefer to listen to, Franklin Delana Roosevelt,

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Speaker 3: who said that public sector unions do not belong in

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Speaker 3: negative force in our republic, because if you have a

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Speaker 2: Grover Norquist has been developing something with Jimmy Carter signed

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Speaker 2: to do that. I was there in nineteen eighty. I

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Speaker 2: will collapse. Well, what they didn't realize was that they'd

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Speaker 2: strategy involved. But I have a hunch there will come

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Speaker 2: a point in the near future where President Trump will

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Speaker 2: have to take on some bureaucracy and decisively prove that

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Speaker 2: the elected president United States has more power and authority

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Speaker 2: than the local union and the local bureaucrat.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, one hundred percent. I think we're already seeing

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Speaker 3: the American Federation of Government Employees fight tooth and nail

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Speaker 3: against every sort of reform that President Trump is going

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Speaker 3: to bring. Before the election, AFGE was publishing a lot

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Speaker 3: of this stuff, warning against certain policies like reinstituting Schedule

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Speaker 3: F that I think Trump should do, and by selecting

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Speaker 3: These are nonprofits that still exist today. Like a lot

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Speaker 2: But if we had an effective Doge system and it

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Speaker 3: Cut off those tentacles, then yes, Alex Soros would have

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Speaker 3: So the President can make some steps in that direction,

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Speaker 2: You'd have to put it into a bill. But at

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Speaker 3: Bill, yes, yes, reconciliation.

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Speaker 2: But how would you propose and what's the mechanisms by

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Speaker 3: That's an excellent question. So we actually have a lot

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Speaker 3: new institution. I think institutions can be overdone. What we

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Speaker 3: do more research to find it because I think ultimately

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Speaker 3: new media outlets like The Daily Signal, enabling us to

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Speaker 2: Have you looked at the open the books people. Do

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Speaker 2: you find their work helpful?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are a lot of organizations open the book.

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Speaker 3: we have The Foundation for Government Accountability. I think FGA

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Speaker 3: which was the Daily Signal, was established by the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Now we're independent, but the Heritage Foundation has an oversight

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Speaker 3: project that is also dedicated to this, and so I

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Speaker 3: good work, the better.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, I want to thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Your new book, The Woke to Push the Dark Money

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Speaker 2: Cabal Manipulating the Federal Government is available now on Amazon

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Speaker 2: appreciate the work you're doing and I think it's just terrific.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Speaker Gingrich, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: You can find my reporting on and as Tyler to

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