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Speaker 1: First man, We appreciate you coming on the show. Big

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Speaker 1: fan of your game, versatile jump hook left right. You know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Seeing All Live, appreciate you coming on show.

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Speaker 2: Rocking with us bro.

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Speaker 3: Thank you the appreciate you having the opportunity to chat

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Speaker 3: with you guys and having me over.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league. Who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust or as.

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure many in different ones, but I guess the

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Speaker 3: first few games, even during preseason, I got to play

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Speaker 3: against the Lakers. You know, they just became champions, and

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Speaker 3: Shock was just an absolute force. I'm like, I've been

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna guard these dude, you know, and no

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Speaker 3: one really could really. I mean at that time, teams

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Speaker 3: had like two or three guys, just big bodies just

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Speaker 3: also a couple of first couple of games it was

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Speaker 3: I played against Detroit. I think that was my first

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Speaker 3: official regular season. They have Cliff Robinson, and you know

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Speaker 3: he was he was tough. Uncle Cliff was tough and yeah,

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Speaker 3: strong dude, just uh you know. He wanted to make

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Speaker 3: a point too. And then the third game was against

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Speaker 3: KG and he wanted to get make a point. He

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Speaker 3: was like, hey, welcome to the you know, as I

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Speaker 3: was a high pick and everybody was just like, let's

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Speaker 3: see what what this guy has made up. He was

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Speaker 3: testing me, and I'm like, all right, this is what

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be. So I'm gonna have to stand up

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Speaker 3: for myself and go out. Go at dudes, yo yo yo.

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Speaker 4: We live on location, Me and the blackest one out

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Speaker 4: here in the Bay Area. NBA All Star twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, we got a very special guest today. Two

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Speaker 4: time NBA champion, you know what I'm saying, gold medal winner,

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Speaker 4: We got Spanish fines, we got missed the power gasol

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Speaker 4: in the building. And we appreciate you pulling up on

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Speaker 4: the big got it done now. You trying to get

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Speaker 4: this done for a long time. We got it done.

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Speaker 4: Y'all appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, born in Barcelona, your mom and dad played basketball,

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Speaker 1: but you kind of fell in love with rugby first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was in my lot in my town.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of the sport that my town was

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Speaker 3: known for rugby. That we had a good rugby team

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Speaker 3: in the first division in Spain. So my school was

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Speaker 2: So I gave it a try, just like I played.

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Speaker 6: You know, no, it's called straight trash.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just now, It's just I was. I was

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Speaker 3: just too tall, too skinny, you.

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Speaker 4: Know that's all like you always like already, yeah, taller

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was, and I was, uh, you know, pretty skinny

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Speaker 3: at the time. And I was pretty skinny until you know,

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Speaker 3: pretty much. I came into the league, came into twenty

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Speaker 7: So fey, I came in as a rookie to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five right, yeah, six five yeah. It was about above

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Speaker 7: You know I remember at the combine when you gotta

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he zero sanks press zero.

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Speaker 5: He couldn't get the bar up zero, just the bar,

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Speaker 5: the bar zero. That's how Skinny and Wiki were high school.

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Speaker 5: That was that one true is true? That's not true.

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Speaker 2: Do you need you gotta fight some video a couple

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Speaker 1: Tell us how big is the Barcelona and Real Madrid

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Speaker 1: ribery ribbery?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's big, and it's one of the biggest riberries

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Speaker 3: I think across sports.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can say Celtics slackers, you can say,

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's a huge rivalry always what we call

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Speaker 3: it classical when we play against each other, and those

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Speaker 4: Like basically the whole childhood growing up, that back and forth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, my family, we didn't have a

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Speaker 3: And then you start going to games because now you

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Speaker 3: in life, it's a whole different deal and it's like,

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Speaker 3: I man, this is fun. I want to I want

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Speaker 2: So you're definitely a messy guy over with.

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Speaker 3: A yes, Sam, Yeah, I respect Christiana, what's done.

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Speaker 3: I'm a messy guy, and uh, you know obviously I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, tell me this.

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Speaker 4: This would always wonder because like you grew up playing

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Speaker 4: you to come when you come to American you play,

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Speaker 4: Like was it different for you to see the crowds

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Speaker 4: like wait this, what's what's going on? Was it like

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Speaker 4: and it's like it's it's mayhem, and it's like you

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Speaker 4: like this isn't like as hyped up as it wasn't home.

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Speaker 2: Bright.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you come in with a perception right

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: From Barcelona, it's you know a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: Skip seut of myself, is this this still my dream?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to play with the best players in the world,

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Speaker 3: So it's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm doing for

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Speaker 3: You know, as you go and you travel, you know,

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Speaker 1: When you're enrolled in medical school, was you giving up

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Speaker 8: Well, no, it's my mom.

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Speaker 3: And so it wasn't fully clear that I was going

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Speaker 3: So my mom said, you got to go to school.

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Speaker 3: You have the opportunity to go to med school. Obviously

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Speaker 1: So when you joined Barcelona's junior team, was it a

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Speaker 2: Like how did you make that team? Right?

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Speaker 3: So I was playing from thirteen to fifteen years old.

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Speaker 3: told them like, look, I really want to play for

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Speaker 3: I was the last guy on the team at sixteen

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Speaker 8: To Nick Nick Collinson.

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Speaker 8: I was I was.

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Speaker 3: Probably the I don't know, the ninth guy on that

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Speaker 1: We're not saying you left hand right, hands on for

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Speaker 8: The moves that matter, Yeah, well, you know you work

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Speaker 3: Ways to score. Obviously, I played with a couple of

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Speaker 4: How was it for you, Like when at the point

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Speaker 4: when did that start to happen? It was like yo,

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Speaker 7: When did that started happening?

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Speaker 3: And uh, I think you're going to play extra hard,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't familiar with it too much, but I wanted

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Speaker 3: And and and I told him, yeah, yeah, I guess economicay,

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Speaker 8: So I'm like, all right, well, yeah, sure, let's let's

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 2: How was you? Uh? Did you work out for.

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Speaker 7: Did you know conversations with no teams or nothing.

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Speaker 8: I did?

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Speaker 2: I did, I was.

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Speaker 8: I went.

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Speaker 3: I went to New York. It was the first time

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Speaker 6: Two days before the draft. First time you ever come

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Speaker 3: Well, they saw me playing with f C Barcelona. I

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Speaker 3: Nothing nothing, because my league Spanish league, and it is

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Speaker 3: I finished playing, So there was there wasn't really a possibility.

444
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 8: To do it, you know.

445
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 3: I guess they liked what they saw and they took

446
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 3: a chance, and and it was you know, I ended

447
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 3: up panning out.

448
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 1: So who do did you bring your whole family with

449
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,479
Speaker 1: you to my parents?

450
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 8: My parents?

451
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 2: Mark?

452
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 3: No, Mark was not there, No, no, no, he was.

453
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 3: It was probably what fifteen at the time.

454
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.

455
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 3: He was in school. He was in school back in Spain,

456
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 3: you know. And then and then life changed and the

457
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,679
Speaker 3: whole family moved to Memphis, and they had to you know,

458
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 3: leave their school and upbringing and moving adjust to Memphis.

459
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: How was it your first practice, you know, you over here?

460
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 1: Did you did your parents live with you at first

461
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: when you first got to Memphis or.

462
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 3: You just yeah, So my parents stayed back because they

463
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 3: had to figure out kind of their visit situation, so

464
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 3: they I was for a month, I was by myself

465
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: in Memphis, or two or three weeks or something like that.

466
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 3: My first practice was not good. I remember, like, you know,

467
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: I was still out of there. It was still a

468
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: little jet lag or what what.

469
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 8: You know. I was still trying to like, all right,

470
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 8: how does this work? And stuff.

471
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 3: Obviously my English was not good at the time, so

472
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 3: I couldn't really have conversation to understand everything that was

473
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: being said around me. So but I knew how to

474
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: play basketball, and so I'm relying on that. But yeah,

475
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: the first practice was kind of an open practice before

476
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: training camp, and I remember I just got my butt

477
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: kicked some you know, by by the players and the

478
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: teammates and stuff. It's like, oh, But then the next

479
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: day I came, I came back and I was.

480
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: I was ready.

481
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was ready to to to make sure that

482
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: I let them know why why I was there.

483
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: I just had to get you some risks.

484
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is some good sleep. I was, you know.

485
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 3: I spent a month in the Marriott, and then my

486
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: parents actually did not were not able to come in

487
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: the country when they.

488
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 8: Were supposed to.

489
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: They got sent back because my brother's visa was not

490
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 3: the right visa. So then they ended up kind of

491
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 3: coming in you know, two or three weeks after that,

492
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 3: so I had to spend more time in the in

493
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: the hotel. Finally got an apartment, a rental apartment, and

494
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: that we lived with my my brothers and my and

495
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 3: my parents and we lived to other for the next

496
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, five years whatever it was, so three

497
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 3: four years. So that's kind of how we how we

498
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: started it. And it gave me. It gave me structure,

499
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: It gave me a support system. It gave me the

500
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: ability no matter what happened on the court or on

501
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 3: the game during the games, I could go back home

502
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: with my family. And that was that was a big

503
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 3: part of why. Also I've adjusted adjusted quicker. I was

504
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: able to play better I think my first year, and

505
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: and and and it went from there.

506
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 8: But yeah, they're huge, huge support for me.

507
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 4: Could could you see, like, like you said, as practicing

508
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: time went on, could you see like your teammates gaining

509
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: and getting that confidence in you and seeing like oh

510
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 4: wait a minute, like he just like slowly could.

511
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 7: Go we got it? Like you? Did you see like

512
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 7: how it turned over time for you?

513
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

514
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, uh yeah, I mean we had

515
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: an interesting team, right, We had some veterans. We had

516
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: some young, very young players, but I think a little

517
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 3: by little. My My goal was to earn the respect

518
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: of my teammates and my coaches. First, I say one,

519
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: Once I do that, I can go to the next step.

520
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: And for that I needed to get stronger. I need

521
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: to play harder. I need to to meet the physical demand,

522
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 3: the physicality of Again, the game was played in the US. Again,

523
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 3: I was had Tony Massenberg. I learned and write at

524
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: I cost him, uh you know, uh yeah. So there

525
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: there were big, big bodies, strong guys. So I remember

526
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: Nick Anderson was like, you got to box those guys out. Yeah,

527
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 3: do not let them get the office of rebound you get.

528
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: You got to put their body on them and you

529
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: got to box them out. I said, if you can,

530
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: let them get the office of rebound. So they were

531
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: challenging me to step up to the challenge and to

532
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 3: kind of say, hey, this is important.

533
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 8: You're going to face guys like that. You got to

534
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 8: put your body there.

535
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: You got to hit them before they hit you kind

536
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 3: of thing. But once I started, you know, kind of

537
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: earning their trust, their respect, you know. With Jay Will

538
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: the point guard, Brevin Knight, we had Michael Dickerson, you know, strong,

539
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: very strong guy. Unfortunately he's drowing was was given him

540
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: and gave an issue. But we had, you know, we

541
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: had those guys who did.

542
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: You lean on the most on the team that you

543
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of created a deeper bond with the person to

544
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: kind of help your transition.

545
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know Shane bad here, it was

546
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: U was a guy that I could rely on because

547
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: it was also a rookie got drafted together that year.

548
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: Obviously he was American, so he knew how the you know,

549
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: how the system worked, and so I would I would

550
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: go to dinner with him and I would kind of

551
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: reach to him and say, hey, you know, how can

552
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 3: I do this better? Or what can I do? Or

553
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: you know times of you know, even like a roodie

554
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: rookie duties. You know, you gotta what do.

555
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 8: I get the donuts?

556
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: They don't like.

557
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 8: The one of the French ones?

558
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: So so so so stuff like that, right with he

559
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: just little things, you know, trying to take care of

560
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 3: each other too, you know. And then and then actually

561
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 3: a guy that you know, Lorenzo right when I was

562
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: when I was starting and I had some tough three games,

563
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: you know where I was too tense, too tight, trying

564
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: too much. I was not I couldn't really play the

565
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: way I was I had played in the preseason, and

566
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: I'm like, and you know, I kind of broke down.

567
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: I went to the weight room and I broke down

568
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: and started crying, and Lorenzen came in and said, I

569
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: was going on, man. So I was like, I mean,

570
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm like,

571
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, I'm not playing well. It's

572
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: like I'm too tense. I don't know it's the nerves.

573
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I said, yeah, come down,

574
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: come down. You gotta you gotta, you gotta relax. You know,

575
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: you're you're too good of a player, too talented. You know,

576
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: don't worry. It'll come. So you gave me. You know,

577
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: that meant a lot to me at that time. And

578
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: then next the next thing, you know, I'm you know,

579
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: a fourth game of the season. We go on the road,

580
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: first road trip, Strommele Swift. It was also so show

581
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: was also another point of support, another guy that supported me,

582
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: because we sat together on the and we started watching Cool. Yeah,

583
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: we just started watching San France Son together. It was

584
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: just like, you know, it was just.

585
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 8: Like started watching all this stuff.

586
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: And he kind of bought and they called me Jay

587
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: Will used to call us, uh salimn Pepper. You know,

588
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: we were selling pepper, you know. And so he he

589
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: also embraced me, and he was a cool, cool guy.

590
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 8: But stro.

591
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: Like turns his ankle during the short round. So he

592
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: was starting because it was number two pick the year

593
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: before me. Yeah, so he was starting for the first

594
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: few games and then twisted his ankle by himself, and

595
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: then I'm like, all right, pow, you're starting tonight. I said, okay,

596
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: well that's so great. You know, I'm sorry, but it's

597
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: a great opportunity. I got to take advantage of this.

598
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: And I remember that game, you know. I was like,

599
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to take full opportunity and full and I

600
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: played that. I think I had twenty seven and fourteen

601
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: against Phoenix and then I never looked back.

602
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm just gonna go out and play.

603
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: When you first came in the league, I remember one

604
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: of them matchups that they always blew up on ESPN

605
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: or blew up what's your match up with ticket? It

606
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: was like that matchup you have to prove I rememberhen

607
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: you went baseline and dumped on ticket.

608
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: I think y'all won that game.

609
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 8: No, we did not win the game.

610
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: No, I remember.

611
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 3: Actually, my team has gave me ship because because I

612
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: was the way I reacted after.

613
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 8: The dunk, which I was to me it was like yeah, yeah,

614
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 8: you was to everybody else, I'm here.

615
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm here and I'm not going anywhere type of thing,

616
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: because he was he was he was trying to check

617
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: and test me. So I you know, so I was like,

618
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: all right, I'm going to take it to you and

619
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to go through everything, right. But we were

620
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: down twenty or thirty at that point. So when I

621
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: started like wanted putting my my finger in my ear

622
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: to get the crowded, and it's like this is how

623
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: it's going to be, you know, it was like, pow,

624
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 3: it is great done, great play, but we're down thirty bros.

625
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: Ask man.

626
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: So But but anyway, it was it was definitely a

627
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: breaking moment for me and to earn his respect. And

628
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: he never really got, you know, talk trash or try

629
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: it because he knew how I would react towards it,

630
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: which was not beneficial for him or his team.

631
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like them matched up to show the

632
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: league and everybody like you was here to stay in.

633
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: You was serious and you had a game. How did

634
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: it feel?

635
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying after this season when you

636
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: become you get Rookie of the Year, you become the

637
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: first foreign player to ever do that. Like, how much

638
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: pride that you're taking that? Like, especially like you said,

639
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 4: you showing up. You don't really know you had to,

640
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: you know, start out, but you figure your way then

641
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: you you do something that's never been done.

642
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Right. No, it felt felt good. Obviously felt proud.

643
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: It was a tough season from the team perspective, everybody again,

644
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: new city, new franchise, rebeild team. You know, it wasn't

645
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, a lot of wins like twenty.

646
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Some twenty three wins.

647
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: It was a tough season from that regard. But what

648
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: I could trolls my my effort and the way I

649
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: I try to perform every night.

650
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 8: I did, I did.

651
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: I did my best in regard and I felt that

652
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: I was some Also credit to my teammates because they

653
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: really embraced me in a way that I needed to.

654
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: And you know, Jay Will and Brevin were great point guards,

655
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: great passers Lorenzo, which was one of the most part

656
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: of the starting center of the team.

657
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 8: You know. He said if I well, it was do

658
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 8: mess with my rebounds.

659
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: The rest you do what you do.

660
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: Don't go get you, go get you or some, but

661
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: don't don't mess with my rebounds.

662
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: So it's like that's all good.

663
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 8: And uh, and you know we had a good team. Uh.

664
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: Sidney Lowe was the coach at the time, you know,

665
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: and he gave me the opportunity and freedom to play

666
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: and play my game. So I felt like it was

667
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: something special in recognition for for the team, for the franchise,

668
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: and myself.

669
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: The next year you lead the team and scoring, but

670
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: then your third year you make the playoffs.

671
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: I was to see that was unfortunate for them. Now

672
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: they had to see us.

673
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 8: Yeah was it Phoenix at the time.

674
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was it to see because like you first

675
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: got there and you see how the city is kind

676
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: of slow with the Grizzlies. But you know, if you're

677
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: a team and you make the playoffs, We've seen it

678
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: time and time again, the city changes.

679
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

680
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

681
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: They sure behind you because they feel like you got

682
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: a chance to win and they believe, so of course

683
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing the city like that. And then finally

684
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: get a chance to play in the playoffs and be

685
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: your first playoffs, to see the atmosphere.

686
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: Changing, I mean it was I think it was great

687
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: from the perspective that Hub joined our team in the

688
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: second season.

689
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: QUB just the time.

690
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he helped us.

691
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, real, real special human being, a special coach, special person.

692
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: So he helped us kind of get structured. He helped

693
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: us be more disciplined. He gave us, you know, a

694
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: way that we could kind of play again and work

695
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: well and take the game seriously and take the game

696
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: the right way.

697
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 8: So so we started.

698
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: Playing better and again the first season we kind of

699
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: said those kind of about that foundation. And then the

700
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: next season that's when we won fifty wins and we

701
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: went to the playoffs, and obviously we went we moved

702
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: from the Pyramid to.

703
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: The FedEx Forum, which was.

704
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 8: Exciting as well.

705
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: So that was part of the growth of the franchise,

706
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, we take pride those guys

707
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: that were there during those years. You know, we set

708
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: the ground for what the Grizzlies have become and the

709
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: fan base that it has now, so we take you know, Shane,

710
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: you know Mike Miller was also a team Lloyd, Yes,

711
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: I just Bonzie joined and it was traded for Wesley Person.

712
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: It was, you know, a great shooter, but you know,

713
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: Bonzie could do some so many other things and it

714
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: was a great fit for us. James Bosey, it was

715
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: another another great competitor, great player, champion. So yeah, we

716
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: had a good team. We competed, We found a way

717
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: to play together and play and play well and get

718
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: some wins. It was exciting to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately,

719
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: we got swept against Phoenix. We got swept. We got

720
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: swept the first three years, the three years that we

721
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: made the playoffs, we got we got swept. I mean,

722
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: we faced great teams, but we were also trying to

723
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: like experience for a lot of us was like the

724
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: first time in that so the physicality, the level of competition, everything.

725
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: Was was was.

726
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 8: Higher than we had experience at the time.

727
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: So anyway, it was great experience, part of our growth,

728
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: something to be proud of. Wish we would have won

729
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: at least a couple of games here and there for

730
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: our fans and ourselves, but it was part of the journey.

731
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: How was it the CEO Prese vote you to be

732
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: an All Star? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

733
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: You the first Spanish player in the first grier Is to.

734
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 8: Be an All Star.

735
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, obviously it was very special. It was very

736
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: special to become an All Star on two thousand and

737
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: six for the first time, as you said, first Spanish player,

738
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: first Grizzly to ever be an All Star. You know,

739
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: it was it was hard because those smaller market teams

740
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: you really had to do really well so you would

741
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: be ahead of other other players that that obviously have

742
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: been for years, and West was really you know with

743
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: Dirk tim yeah, I was around, which he was a

744
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: lock every year, so it was it was hard to

745
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: make the team, right am Ari. Also you know started,

746
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: you know, come up, so it was hard to make

747
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: the team and in our position. So yeah, but two

748
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: thousand and six was very special, and you know, I

749
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: took a lot of pride and making it and it

750
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: was great because uh kg actually uh in that game

751
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: is like hey, welcome, welcome to the All Star Game. Congratulations,

752
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: and it's like yeah, and I'll see I'll see you

753
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: next year, right, And I was like, well, I hope,

754
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: So what do you mean you hope, so said, well,

755
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean I hope, you know, I hope I can

756
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: make it again. You know, I don't know, it's my

757
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 3: first time. I'm like, man, this is a mindset. You're

758
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: an All Star and the next year, you know, you

759
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: got to have that same mindset, you're an All Star.

760
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 8: So now you know it was it was in ten,

761
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 8: you know.

762
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: So he's like, I'm trying to tell you something here,

763
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: listen kind of thing, you know, and I it's like,

764
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: you know what, You're right. I mean, it's a mindset

765
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: which once you become and you're like, you know, you

766
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: believe and you become and you embraced being one of

767
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: the top players in their league in the world. Hey,

768
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: this is an expectation and there's a level of demand

769
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: that you set for yourself. It's like, you know, I'm

770
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: gonna go out there, I'm gonna get twenty and twenty

771
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: and ten.

772
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 8: Back in the day that was, that was big numbers.

773
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: Today it's more like twenty seven and fifteen. You know,

774
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: the way the possessions that pays and all that. It's

775
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: it's a little different game. But back in the day,

776
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: twenty ten it was no no joke. So that's what

777
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: you do on a daily night.

778
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 8: That's what that's the level of expectation, that's the body

779
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 8: except for yourself.

780
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: How do how do I say that?

781
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: How do Paul Gasov get traded for your brother that

782
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: none of us ever seen? Yeah, you know, we've never

783
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: seen Mark before.

784
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: We never had a glimpse on.

785
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: We don't know, right, you look right, and to this shot,

786
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: I feel like it shot. The NBA was like, man,

787
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: how they pull that one off? Like how Jerry West

788
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: pulled that off?

789
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 8: Yeah?

790
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: Well, uh, first it was shocking, it seemed like lopsided trade.

791
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: I think ultimately it showed, you know, that there was

792
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: value for the Lakers and value for the Grizzlies. Mark

793
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: was selected by the Lakers. I think it was forty

794
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: seven pick, second round, because we were actually together watching

795
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: the draft night and he was hoping it would be

796
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: late first round, early second and we were watching every

797
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: pick in Spain four or five in the morning, like, man,

798
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: when who's the next? We were we were there, you know,

799
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: with with Mark and and Gjuan Carlos Navarro as well,

800
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: watching the three of us his draft and I kept

801
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 3: telling Chris Wallace, who was the GM at the time,

802
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: of the Grizzlies. It's like, man, why didn't you pick Mark?

803
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: You know you should have picked Mark, Or let's get

804
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: a trade for Mark, like in that right after he

805
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: got drafted, and he was asking me, No there he's

806
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: I think he told me they're asking the Lakers are

807
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: asking for five hundred thousand.

808
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Dollars in exchange for your brother.

809
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, take it out of my contract,

810
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: and take it out of my contract and just pay that.

811
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: And well Mark, I'm telling he's going to be a

812
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: great player. Said no, no, I can't do that. I

813
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: can't do that now. Or we're just gonna let it,

814
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: let it play out.

815
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: Said okay.

816
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: So then the next season, the two thousand and seven

817
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 3: and eight season where I got trade onw thousand and eight,

818
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: I keep telling every game every weekend where I watched

819
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: my brother and my brother actually was the MVP of

820
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: the Spanish League that year and dominated. I was like,

821
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: have you watched what Mark has done? Have you watched

822
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: my brother played today or yesterday last night? Did you

823
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: see the numbers? You see the game he's dominating? I

824
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: kept telling you, kept telling you, so I just kept

825
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: like kind of rubbing it in a little bit because

826
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: I thought at that point I thought that I was,

827
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: you know, there's no way I'm going anywhere. I'm here

828
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: in Memphis. Um, you know, I just I'm trying to

829
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: get I got one Carlos Navarre to come in and play,

830
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: and they signed him, and I was like, well, I

831
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: might as well get my brother too, and you know,

832
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: we're going to be here, Let's make the best possible team.

833
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: And so yeah, So when the trade happened, Chris Wallace

834
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: calls me to his office and and and the last

835
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: player that he mentions on that on the package trade

836
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: that was for me. He was, you know, Mark and

837
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: your brother make a like.

838
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: Like, are you like, now you want to do this

839
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: here with me? You're gonna bringing seeing me away?

840
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 7: Like this wasn't what I was talking about.

841
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 8: That That's exactly so.

842
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: But you know, at the time, it was kind of

843
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: under the radar. Nobody really had seen Mark and and

844
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: and knew much of Mark, you know. And and luckily

845
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: I think that was it really worked out for him

846
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: and the Grizzlies. It gave the Memphis also the flexibility

847
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: to get Zbo as well, which.

848
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 8: You know was great.

849
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: I think that Combo did really well for for years

850
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: and they build something special, right, So and then I

851
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: gave me the opportunity to play with the Lakers, which

852
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: obviously was, uh, you know, a game changer for me

853
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: in my career at that time with Cobe and we

854
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: had to you know, an incredible run where we want

855
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: to do championship.

856
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: How was the first like you get traded, you get

857
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: to LA, How was the first time you go and

858
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: you talk with cod Like?

859
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: What was that?

860
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 8: Like?

861
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: It was very special, you know because first again I

862
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: flew you know, two hours three hours later after the

863
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: conversation with Chris Wallace in his office, I can go

864
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: to the airport. I gotta go and get through a

865
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: physical and the team is on the road, so I

866
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: had to go through the physical and then after my physical,

867
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: I went and joined the team that was in d C.

868
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was crazy, I was. I went from

869
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Memphis to La La to d C. They played the game.

870
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: I went back to Memphis to finish up my packing

871
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: because I just basically got a little back to it.

872
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: And then I meet the team in Jersey, New Jersey

873
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: or New York. We could we played the nets. That

874
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: was when I played my first game with with the Lakers.

875
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: But when I met, obviously with Kobe was in d C.

876
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: He was very adamant that he wanted to see me

877
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: upon landing. Upon an arrival to the hotel, I got

878
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: to the hotel close to midnight. The team had a

879
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: game the next day at around noon. It was a

880
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: new game, so I told Cob, It's like, go, it's okay,

881
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: we can see each other tomorrow morning, you know, at

882
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: breakfast or a brunch. You know, it's you don't have

883
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: to stay up for me.

884
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 8: You get your rest. You know, we'll see Charllen tomorrow.

885
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: It's all.

886
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: It's all good. Soa no, no, I'm seeing you tonight. It's like, well,

887
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: but they have me doing some interviews when I get

888
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: to the hotel with a media, so I don't know,

889
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what time it'll be. Just text me

890
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: when you get to your room and I'll come over,

891
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like, oh, okay, hey, whatever, whatever

892
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: works for you. I'm just trying to be mindful and

893
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: a few but you know, so he just he wanted

894
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: to let me know first of all, you know, wanted

895
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: to welcome in to the team and show his excitement

896
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: about me joining. But he really wanted to make sure

897
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: I got my mind just from the first day I

898
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: landed and I joined the team that I got traded

899
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: and I joined the team so we could win the championship.

900
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Used the piece that the league didn't want Cobe to have,

901
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Use the piece to them that,

902
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: like I said, the league didn't really want Kobe to

903
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: have because we knew it was gonna be a problem.

904
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: Was year?

905
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: How was it when you get in the chemistry and

906
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: how y'all worked to triangle everything just working fluently.

907
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: Y'all go on the twenty two and five. Yeah, it

908
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: was great. It was great off the get go.

909
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: I mean he was very again instrumental and mindful as

910
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: far as connecting with me and making me feel engaged

911
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: and fully just involved and with a significant role and

912
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 3: within the team him. So he wanted to get me gone.

913
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: He found me up picking rolls. He was just just like,

914
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: how we need you to produce, and right out of

915
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: the bat he was you know, he's really talking.

916
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 8: To me in Spanish.

917
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: About like it it was him.

918
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: It was all him because he obviously Vanessa uh speaks

919
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: Spanish and he knew Spanish. He had you know he

920
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: spoke perfect Italian, but he knew he spoke pretty good

921
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: Spanish too, and and we started just kind of like talking,

922
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: talking in Spanish. Order the game a little bit coverages

923
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: here there. You know.

924
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: He used to throw them off by talking Spanish to you.

925
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

926
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so guys didn't really know exactly what we're

927
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: talking about, it what he was saying. We kept it

928
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: not too crazy complicated, but it was just like you know,

929
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: it was it was fun. It was just a way

930
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: of connecting, you know, relating. You know, when you find

931
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: something that relates to you. You know, I'm going to

932
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: figure out what what what can.

933
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 8: He did it?

934
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 7: Did he did he catch you off? Garl you like

935
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 7: like kind of like.

936
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, No, I knew that he he had

937
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: lived and grown up in Italy, and I knew that,

938
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: you know, he was a rounded, well rounded guy.

939
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 8: And we had talked before, I mean here and there.

940
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Uh, I actually went into him.

941
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: Funny enough, we ran into each other the summer before

942
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: in Barcelona. He was with Vanessa and the girls in Barcelona,

943
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: spending some days sometimes and we run into each other

944
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: into the same hotel. But I used to go to

945
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: work out and they actually stayed there. So so he's like,

946
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: and we started talking. That was the time where there

947
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: were rumors that he might have he was going to

948
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: Chicago potentially, and I had.

949
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 8: Also asked for a trade.

950
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: Uh so hey, and he said something like in a

951
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: matter of like maybe we end up playing together.

952
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, there's no way

953
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 8: we can play together because the Grizzlies are going to

954
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 8: ask for you.

955
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: And so this in my mind, I'm like, I'm not obviously,

956
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: it's like it's not it's not going to happen. But

957
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: and a few you know, a few months later actually happened.

958
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: And now there we were talking to each other, playing together,

959
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: and and and he was again.

960
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 8: That was what he felt.

961
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: It was his chance to get back to the top

962
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: by adding adding me to the roster and the system,

963
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: Pillow Jackson, the coaching staff, the teammates embraced me. The

964
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: system that the triangle put me in positions where I

965
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: was dominant. I could, you know, play, make, I can score.

966
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: It's just it was very natural for me. So it's

967
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: felt like the missing piece of the puzzle. I fit

968
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: right in and we went for it.

969
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Like you said, you got you got scumped every year

970
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: in the playoffs with Memphis. Now you're a Laker and

971
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I'll go on the run. You know what I'm saying.

972
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Like it's it's like I got more weapons with me

973
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: in these playoffs now, you know what I'm saying.

974
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: So, how was that playoff run to get to the finals?

975
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was, Uh, it was great.

976
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: I always say, it's always great when you get to

977
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: the finals, and it's a greater when you win. When

978
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: you win, but yeah, even my first playoff game, right,

979
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: it's still like you know, I was all in twelve.

980
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 3: That was my playoff record when when up we played

981
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: that first round against Denver. So I was, you know,

982
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: I had been playing extremely well with the team. We

983
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: as you said, I think we're five twenty two and five.

984
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: When I joined the team, I think the team was

985
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: in the sixth place in the standings and we were

986
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: able to finish first in the standings.

987
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 8: So I was. I was very confident.

988
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: I was.

989
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: I wasn't worried about the noise or anything. So I

990
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: remember that first game, even my teammates, look, I feel

991
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: if if it felt like you were looking for me

992
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: a little more and Luke and Lamar were incredible passers too,

993
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: so very unselfish. And and I remember I think I

994
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: had thirty six and yeah, fifteen or something like that

995
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: my first game in the playoffs, and there were we

996
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: got I got my first win. Now let's can we

997
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: talk about, you know something else can we change? And

998
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: then that was and that's what it takes, right, And

999
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: that's when it takes to change the narrative and and

1000
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: and and change things and you know, and so it

1001
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: was great. And then I think we I think we

1002
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: swept the Nuggets in the first round. So it was

1003
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, obviously you go, you got to get through

1004
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: opponents to move up and move on. And I remember playing,

1005
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, playing at a high level, meeting those teams,

1006
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: having some tough matchups, but getting through them and putting

1007
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: ourselves in a position that we wanted to be. Yeah,

1008
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: but we faced you know, a very good team with

1009
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: with Boston and a team that was more settled and

1010
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: we're playing also very well, and they had homecore advantage

1011
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: and they ended up winning that year.

1012
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you had Boston, you know, they get CAZy

1013
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: and raid that summer. You know, Lakers get trade and

1014
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: gets you so it's only right that y'all meet in

1015
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: the championship, which is a legendary matchup. You know, we've

1016
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: been seeing the Lakers in Boston in the history of

1017
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: the game have some of the best playoff finals.

1018
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: Ever, how was it, you know, because I know it

1019
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: was super.

1020
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Hype around the league and everything of the matchup of

1021
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers and Celtic, and it's a lot of star power,

1022
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. How was that just overall.

1023
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: In general, just leading up to that matchup, Yeah.

1024
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: It was obviously very exciting. Then you start as a player,

1025
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: you started getting actually a sense and a feel of

1026
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: what that rivalry means and everything around it from the

1027
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: fence obviously perspective the history of it. So you started

1028
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: to feel that, you know, kind of what we were

1029
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: talking about earlier with Real Madrid and Barsa. Uh, and

1030
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: now you feel it at the NBA level, which is

1031
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: Lakers Celtics. So that's a lot of noise that you

1032
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: have to kind of block, right, So you try to

1033
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: block it to the best of your ability and understand

1034
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: that you're playing playing the finals. So you know, we

1035
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: we we started in Boston, they played well. I think

1036
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: we lose the first two games, we go back home.

1037
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: That was the format back then. It was two three

1038
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: to two, So we had to win our home our

1039
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: home games. Win gave them three, which is always a

1040
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: tough one, but we win it and play well. In

1041
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: game four, we go up big. I think we went

1042
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: up like twenty quick uh, and then there was there

1043
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: was some funkiness. We kind of let our guard down,

1044
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: We let him back in the game. I think Ray

1045
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: had that game where he I think he maybe hit

1046
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: eight or nine threes and they get away with a

1047
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: key win in our home court to go up three

1048
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: to one. And now you're playing game six in their

1049
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: home court and they have a chance to close it

1050
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: out and they played, you know, they played a lot

1051
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: better than us. They they kicked our butts in that game.

1052
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: They blew us out, and you know, and now you

1053
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: have to deal with that, and now I just okay,

1054
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: what are you How are you going to overcome this?

1055
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: How are you going to react to it? So h

1056
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: you know, that definitely fueled us for a couple of

1057
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: years after that.

1058
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: What was the mindset though? After Yeah, it lost to

1059
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: the Celtics, Like over the summer flight from Bounce in l.

1060
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: A's Kobe, and it was right. What was that mindset of.

1061
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we were taking it in, right. You

1062
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: got to feel the pain. Yeah, you gotta feel it,

1063
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: you know, and it's got to hurt. So it was

1064
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: like from you know, after the game in the locker

1065
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 3: room to getting on the bus and in the bus

1066
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: not moving because the fans were rocking it and hitting

1067
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: the bus and and and couldn't couldn't move. Feeling that

1068
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: you want to get off the bus and start some stuff.

1069
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: It's frustrating, you know.

1070
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: But but same time, it's like just take it in,

1071
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: take it all in, let it feel you, you know,

1072
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: let it feel you. This is good and let it

1073
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: feel let it feel you. Yeah, Field for next year.

1074
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: This is all. This is all part of it. Then

1075
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: get to the off season. Then we had, you know,

1076
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: we went with our countries room play the Olympics and

1077
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: that two thousand and eight in Beijing, and uh you know.

1078
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 8: Play well. Kobe was obviously with the USA try to help.

1079
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: The team kind of get back to the top after

1080
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: was in two thousand and four the Olympics in Athens,

1081
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: and so he was obviously determined, uh as as he

1082
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: always was, to leave his Mark and helped him win.

1083
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 8: And so they did that. We played a really good.

1084
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: You know, final match, uh in those olymp in that Olympics.

1085
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: And and the day we came back, you know, two

1086
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: weeks later, we were or three weeks later, we were

1087
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: in training camp, back in the locker room, back in

1088
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: training camp. And that's when the first day of training camp,

1089
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: Kobe puts his gold medal in my locker, right, and

1090
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is this gold medal doing in my locker?

1091
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: I see the gold medal and he I look back

1092
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: and there he is looking at me, and I'm like,

1093
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: I mean, congratulations.

1094
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 8: What else we are going to tell you?

1095
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: Just you can take your medal, you know, away and

1096
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: keep and then but he was it was all it

1097
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: was all very intentional, you know. He was trying to

1098
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: get me in the right state of mind. So okay,

1099
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: we go into training camp, you know, and he it's like,

1100
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: very again, it was very thoughtful as far as what

1101
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: he what he was trying to do, and how we

1102
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: were what he was trying to get get to me

1103
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: in the way. They said, look, you lost against the Celtics,

1104
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: he lost against us in Beijing. Let's not make it

1105
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: three in a row for you. It was like for me, right,

1106
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: I said, okay, yeah, I.

1107
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 8: Get it, all right, I'm all in.

1108
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: I mean I'm in that year from from the first

1109
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: day of training camp, we were all like, let's get

1110
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 3: back ourselves in it, and was win it this time?

1111
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: Let me did y'all want to y'all want the Celtics

1112
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: the second year after?

1113
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: You want to tell what we beat?

1114
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: We beat Orlando in the finals that second year. Yeah

1115
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: I know that, but y'all preferred to be the Celtics.

1116
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but.

1117
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 8: We didn't really care. It was going to be whoever

1118
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 8: it was.

1119
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: It was the Celtics, it was the Caps and with Lebron,

1120
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: I think we're also playing playing well and stuff, or

1121
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: it was the Magic that ended up being them. We

1122
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: didn't expect him to be the Magic, but we had

1123
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: the best record that year in the league. It was

1124
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: about us, so so it was whoever gets in the way,

1125
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: we're going to go through them. And that was that

1126
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: type of mindset that we needed to have and we

1127
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: had that year and the second and the year after that.

1128
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 4: How did it feel that when you actually achieved that

1129
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: you won the championship, Like, what was that like for you? Like,

1130
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, all of the stuff you

1131
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 4: worked for now you and his moment you got the

1132
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: confetti falling.

1133
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: Man, it was amazing, truly an exceptional moment of joy,

1134
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: of satisfaction of everything. Just you feel like all the

1135
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: work that you put in, all the first years in

1136
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: the league coming up, everything kind of comes together in

1137
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: that moment. You know, you feel like all that work

1138
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: that you put in it kind of paid off. And

1139
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: it takes a certain mindset, it takes a certain approach,

1140
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: so it takes from from everyone. So it felt amazing.

1141
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: We were again we won for one, I think if

1142
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: we close them out and in Orlando and they had

1143
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: a good team, but we had a chance and we

1144
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: found a way to win and we did, and it

1145
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: was it was amazing.

1146
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 8: We were all it's just you just feel it.

1147
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: You just see it, right, I mean you see the

1148
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: highlights I've seen I've seen some of the highlights of

1149
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: those games and stuff and recaps, and it's great when

1150
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: you see it from everybody that is just locked in,

1151
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 3: you know, Trevor Lamar, Andrew, Derek Cobe, everyone that went

1152
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: in and we just we were just locked and there

1153
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: was no way we're going to let them beat us. Uh,

1154
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 3: and we we you know, things have to kind of

1155
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: work out in the way. And in game two, we're

1156
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: almost was closed for Atlanta for the to win that

1157
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: game at in l A. When they had the last

1158
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 3: second play that Corney Lee missed kind of a quick

1159
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: bunny there, but you know, hey, sometimes you need that

1160
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: to happen to and uh and then he was like,

1161
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: all right, well, you know we got that went done.

1162
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 8: Now let's go for it to get next.

1163
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: Ye meet the Celtis, but you'll make a tweak in

1164
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: the lineup that you had the.

1165
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 2: Previous Yeah, give her the Trevor.

1166
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: And at h R.

1167
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: Metalwell piece, that's right.

1168
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 8: Uh.

1169
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: This time now you have run on your team in

1170
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the championship against the Celtics. This is the rematch you

1171
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: really wanted and wanted to get. Yeah, let's explain that

1172
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: whole series and how to breakdown.

1173
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was you know obviously, Hey, this is the

1174
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: team that we lost two years ago. It is again

1175
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: another opportunity, uh to win a championship. You know, we

1176
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: have home court advantage. We're playing the guys that beat

1177
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: us two years ago. It's just Celtics again. We cannot

1178
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: not win, you know. And it was a darg fight

1179
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: and it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to come easy.

1180
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: And those guys want to win it just as bad

1181
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: as we wanted to win it. But uh, you know,

1182
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: we kept ourselves in it. We lost game two at home. Uh,

1183
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: then we had to go back to Boston. We were

1184
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: able to win game three, you know, a great, great effort,

1185
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: great thing bucket at the end by Derek Fisher fish

1186
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: with uh, you know, and uh then lose game game four,

1187
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: Game five. So now we go back home losing down

1188
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 3: three too, and they have the momentum. But the same

1189
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: time we go back home, they say, hey, we are

1190
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: two home wings away from winning a championship. You gotta

1191
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: have to kind of look at it that way. In

1192
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: a way you have to simplify so you don't get sidetracked.

1193
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: Both other stuff for other ideas or negativity is, uh,

1194
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: let's take care of game six and then we're playing

1195
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: game seven in our home court. And that's what we did.

1196
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: We played a really good Game six. We uh took

1197
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: care of that play well, won a good game and

1198
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 3: and then now it was Game seven in the finals

1199
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: at home against the Celtics. I mean, it doesn't get

1200
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: much better than that. And now and now it was

1201
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: it was really a dogfight. It was a lot of hustle,

1202
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: a lot of grind. It was muddy. It was you know,

1203
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: they kind of we're more accurate, and they took you know,

1204
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: they kind of hit the first punch, first couple of bunches.

1205
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: We were down in the third quarter. It was like

1206
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: nine or so ten or said, whatever it was. And

1207
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 3: then and we just kept chipping away, kept chipping away,

1208
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: kept believing in ourselves. So we're just not we're gonna

1209
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: give ourselves a chance. We're gonna because you know, we

1210
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: didn't have a good, very good, true to.

1211
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 8: Night at all.

1212
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1213
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: Uh, you know myself, Codd, we were a little erratic,

1214
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: but we gave ourselves a chance and we made plays

1215
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: at the end when they met her.

1216
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that game seven is when I was speaking to

1217
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: the young kids or the young guys who's playing basketball.

1218
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: I tell them go and watch that game seven, because

1219
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, I didn't shoot well, especially Kobe didn't

1220
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: shoot well. But I tell them, like, even if you're

1221
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: not shooting well, if you find the way to still

1222
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: put your imprint on the game. You watch Kobe try

1223
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: to grab every rebound possible, just to put something.

1224
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,959
Speaker 2: To give something, get over the edge.

1225
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: And you know, the average guy that don't have a

1226
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: good shooting night when he's looked to to be the

1227
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: score can kind of cancel your team out where you're

1228
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: not gonna have a chance to win. Doing the little

1229
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: things like that is pushing absolutely you.

1230
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: Always the game has many facets, right, and even if

1231
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: you are used to contributing in one of them in

1232
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 3: a certain way, there's still many different ways that you

1233
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 3: can impact the game. You know, making the right play,

1234
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: coming up with a loose ball, getting up a rebound,

1235
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: a box out, you know, setting good screen. There's many

1236
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 3: details that affect the game, you know, making the right pass,

1237
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: you know, taking care.

1238
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 8: Of the ball, just stuff like that.

1239
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: There's little things that are underlooked, you know, underappreciated. So

1240
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 3: you know, good we had an incredible rebounding night that

1241
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: that night he made a game winning pass to matterworld

1242
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: piece and he made a great shot.

1243
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: Right.

1244
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 3: You know, when when a guy like that and key

1245
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: moments trusts brush you to make that play, make that

1246
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: shot that gives you confidence, right, that gives you reassurance

1247
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: and tell.

1248
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: Me this, like y'all loss to the Celtic saying, oh wait,

1249
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: then y'all come back and y'all get them in twenty teen,

1250
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 4: and we know, like, did you have a better sense

1251
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 4: like you said, like how the real Madrid and bartonuse

1252
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 4: like those games, especially when it's a series like the

1253
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: old time. Once you got magic, you got worthy, you

1254
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: go to Boston, you see Coozie and those guys cornbread Mass, Well,

1255
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: did you get have like when in twenty ten, did

1256
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: you have a much better sense of like, yo, this

1257
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: is a big yeah, like the whole magnitude of the

1258
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: moment and what it meant to each organization? Did you

1259
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: have like a way better sense of than.

1260
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 8: I did you?

1261
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: As you go through more experiences, yeah, and more exposure,

1262
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: you get a bigger sense and understanding of what that means.

1263
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: So there's no question that the second time around understood

1264
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: and I had a better sentence what done and rivally

1265
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: meant and the magnitude of it and the importance of it,

1266
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: and how important it was even more for us to

1267
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: win that that final, specifically after having lost in two

1268
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, and how that's you know, that's just history,

1269
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: you know, that's history of one of the biggest rivalries

1270
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: in sports.

1271
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 8: And then you you're.

1272
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: Going to be in one side of the coin, you know,

1273
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: and it's kind of up to you what side are

1274
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: you going to be and kind of thing.

1275
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 8: You know, so this is my way.

1276
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: You know, we all write our own story, but you know,

1277
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: and the outcome of things sometimes determined a little bit

1278
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: your your story, and that's kind of what you know,

1279
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: we go leading up to that game seven, it's like, hey,

1280
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: we just live it all out on the floor, like literally,

1281
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: we left it all out and it paid off.

1282
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 8: You know, it paid off.

1283
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, he run one play. Everything is coming out

1284
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: of one play. You know, you don't play I know

1285
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: what you're thinking. You play for many coaches and you

1286
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: know there's so many options off the triangle, but what

1287
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: was your first initial thoughts of the triangle? And it's like, man,

1288
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: if we're doing this and we winning games with not

1289
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: a long playbook, it's only a one seater.

1290
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, but at the same time, there's a lot

1291
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 3: of kind of tweaks and and wrinkles and invariants to

1292
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: the triangle and depending on you know, where the ball

1293
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: goes and the initial action to me, it made a

1294
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: lot of sense that he was great because again he

1295
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: put me in the post or the pinch.

1296
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 8: Post and elbows right.

1297
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: So you're just like, hey, put the ball in the post.

1298
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: Guys will be in the right position, right spacing, There'll

1299
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: be movement, there'll be cuts and stuff. People will get

1300
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: open if you execute correctly, and we'll find the open guy,

1301
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, so the ball will find its way to

1302
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: the open guy. It's a system that it's very engaging.

1303
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: It has to you have to have players that have

1304
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: high IQ to be able to be the right spot,

1305
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: made the right play. You know, understand reads because there's counters,

1306
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, based on the defense. What the defense. So

1307
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: I kind of if the defense takes away this option,

1308
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: then google go here. That's what I'm saying as far

1309
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: as like, okay, so if it takes this pass, now

1310
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: you have to flash to the you know, to the

1311
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: middle right.

1312
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: So I know the triangle and I ain't never playing.

1313
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 8: Right because you have to prepare for it, right.

1314
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: You have to prepare for it for four years to

1315
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: play it against you know, Phil Jackson's teams. So it

1316
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: was great for me because again it was all about reads.

1317
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: It's all about finding the open guy. There was movement

1318
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: around the ball, and he put me in position that

1319
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: if everybody kind of stays in within their single coverage,

1320
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: you know, I can go to work. I can go

1321
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: to work, and I have a pretty good chance of

1322
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: putting it in the bucket.

1323
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: Do you think that triangle can work in today's game?

1324
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean I would like to I would like

1325
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 8: to say yes. I like to think yes.

1326
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 3: Today's game is pretty different and what it was back

1327
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: ten fifteen years ago, much more dynamic. The three point

1328
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: shot has become obviously extremely relevant and very dominant, and

1329
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: it's just a much faster pace. You know, a lot

1330
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: a lot of smaller lineups and stuff. So I would

1331
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: love to see a team try, but it would be hard.

1332
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: You have to have a lot of the right pieces

1333
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: in order to to successfully do it. Even when the

1334
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: team you know and Phil went to New York and

1335
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: the teams that the Fish and Jeff Horniget tried, you know,

1336
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 3: coaches just didn't quite pan out. And today game as

1337
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: dynamic as it is, even though the triangle also has

1338
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: options to play a little a little faster and a

1339
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 3: little more dynamic and stuff. Again, i'd like to see

1340
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: it at least a variation of it where it provides

1341
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, it incentivizes ball movement, right spacing, finding the

1342
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: open guy, making the right play, you know. From that concept,

1343
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: I like the game to have more balance than what

1344
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: it does today, even if you still end up preferring

1345
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: to shoot a three because of you know, percentages and

1346
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 3: analytics and all that, and it gives you a better

1347
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: chance to win, and you know, whatever it might be,

1348
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: I still like to see better balance and more unselfishness.

1349
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: And you see that to some degree in certain certain teams.

1350
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: Right but but but yeah, that's what I would.

1351
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 8: Like to like to think.

1352
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: And what did Lamar Oldham means to the same Lamo

1353
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Oldham is I feel like he's an All Star, but

1354
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: he's never made All Stars.

1355
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a valuable piece.

1356
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: When he played with us, he was the guy on

1357
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: our Cliff team, like we feel like we got the

1358
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: best version of themoe and like he got the championship mode.

1359
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: But I have Lamolden used to be a dog. He

1360
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: used to get like twenty five thirties and like that.

1361
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what was lamol Lamar was intricate and keep

1362
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: player for our success, And I think he doesn't get

1363
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: enough credit for the sacrifice and the sacrifices that he

1364
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: made as a player individually for our team. As you said,

1365
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: he could have been a starter in any team in

1366
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 3: the league. He could have been an All Star multiple times,

1367
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: and he could have scored you know, twenty plus again

1368
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: in many teams. But he took that role of a

1369
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: six man who ended up winning the six Men of

1370
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: the Year in one of the years and embraced it.

1371
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like, you know, the definition of unselfishness,

1372
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: played the game the right way, played with hard You know,

1373
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: I love playing with him, but we used to finish

1374
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: a lot of the games together with that lineup, me

1375
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: at the center and him.

1376
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 8: And the power forward.

1377
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 3: So I guess his unselfishness and his own sacrifice was

1378
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: a key part of our success as a team because

1379
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: you have that type of player take that type of

1380
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 3: role for the good of our team to give us

1381
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 3: a better chance to win. That hasn't been spoken about enough.

1382
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: You know, it was just one of the most virtutile,

1383
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: talented players. You know, he can do it. He can

1384
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 3: do it all left eas it's just tough, tough to

1385
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: stuff lucky. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun to

1386
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 3: play with. I love Lamar great heart just you know,

1387
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: so it's it's a brother.

1388
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Went to the finals three years in a row. Y'all

1389
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: lost to Dallas the fourth fourth year. How much you

1390
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: have to give to play from October the June every

1391
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: year three years in a row, like, you know, to

1392
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: even get the chance. We feel you know, you had

1393
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: the same team that you had previous to go to

1394
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: the Projectam, but you lost the Dallas. Do you feel

1395
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: like that year, that fourth year, it was just a

1396
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: toll on the team of like we're going.

1397
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: Every year.

1398
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, well it was.

1399
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: It's it's hard, right to make it to the finals

1400
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 3: all those years in a row. We've we've we've seen

1401
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 3: it in some occasions in the history of our game

1402
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: or some stretches.

1403
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 8: But there's also a lot of factors.

1404
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: That come into play. And uh, you know, we weren't

1405
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: as healthy they were. There were indications there were things

1406
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: that that there were kind of we were not in

1407
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: the same place emotionally speaking, and and and from the

1408
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: team perspective that we were the year before or the

1409
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 3: years before. So yeah, it just didn't It wasn't that year.

1410
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: And then for Dallas on the other side, it was

1411
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: that year for them, right, they had had a little

1412
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: run and and and there the whole team was locked

1413
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: in and they saw they saw the opportunity, and they

1414
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: they went in and they went for it, which is

1415
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 3: kind of what you have to do. And they smell

1416
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 3: blood and they've I mean, it went all in and

1417
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: they got all that, you know, and they got the

1418
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 3: reward of winning the championship. So Ever, every year is different.

1419
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: You can't take anything for granted. You know sometimes when

1420
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 3: we try to remind ourselves in the NBA, if you

1421
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: play long enough, you have this windows and you got

1422
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: to maximize that window to the best of your ability.

1423
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: And you have to be in the right state of mind,

1424
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: in the right place, and a lot of things have

1425
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: to kind of be in the right place for you

1426
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: to have a legitimate chance to win it. That year,

1427
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: it was not It was not that for us.

1428
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: So did you think you was going to be a Laker? Think?

1429
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 8: I mean you think that, right?

1430
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: You think that?

1431
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: I mean once you once you play for a team

1432
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: and you love the team, you love the city, you

1433
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 3: have success, you like you feel like, hey, you know

1434
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: this is my team, right, you feel you start feeling

1435
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: associated and affiliate. He feels an ownership, you know, you

1436
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: feel like it's just my You kind of have to

1437
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: feel that way in order to give your best, you know,

1438
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: and you're full and everything to the team. You know,

1439
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: this is my team, you know, and you have to

1440
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: feel that way. And it's important to feel that way.

1441
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: But we know that the business of basketball and in

1442
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: the NBA, that doesn't it doesn't. It's not true most

1443
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: of the time. And and that comes to an end

1444
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: no matter what. And the executives and owners and the

1445
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: executive they have to make decisions, you know. Sometimes there

1446
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 3: are more business decisions, sometimes there are basketball decisions, and

1447
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 3: they have to make difficult decisions for for the good

1448
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: of the team. Uh, let's say, oh, the franchise and

1449
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: and so yeah, at that moment after that that matchup

1450
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: against the MAVs kind of right before training camp, I

1451
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: was when the trade that happened but didn't end up happening, Uh,

1452
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: was kind of crazy and it kind of rattled us.

1453
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 3: And obviously Lamar was involved, and and he ended up

1454
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: not going to New Orleans but ended up going to Dallas,

1455
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 3: the team that had beat us, which mentally also I'm

1456
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 3: sure it was difficult for him. Uh, and then I

1457
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: ended up staying. But yeah, things were less than ideal,

1458
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: pheel just and I also stepped away from being a

1459
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: head coach. We got Mike Brown in and dynamics change

1460
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: and we had to adjust and we did the best

1461
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: we could. But it wasn't you know, it wasn't good

1462
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: and it wasn't the same. It wasn't good enough to

1463
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: get to the level that we wanted to be we

1464
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 3: were used to be.

1465
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 4: I want to know, like just a sidebar, like your

1466
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 4: thoughts on the Lakers getting Luca yep, Like I know

1467
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 4: you like the rest of us, like what the hell

1468
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 4: going on? But like, what's your thoughts on that for

1469
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 4: a guy like him going to the Lakers? And I

1470
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: mean obviously gonna be there with Lebron too.

1471
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean a lot a lot of things, right,

1472
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 3: A lot of layers to that question.

1473
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Obviously, the first surprise shocked right.

1474
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 3: Now, It's just it was hard to kind of digest

1475
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 3: that that actually happened, you know, that that type of player,

1476
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: you know, get straight at twenty five years old. It's

1477
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 3: just it just doesn't happened, never happened, might not happen

1478
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 3: ever again you know, but it happened for whatever reason.

1479
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because I know Nico, I know Rob

1480
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 3: personally for a long time. I was just talking to

1481
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 3: a d when they came play here with the Warriors,

1482
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: and we were gonna, you know, get together. You wanted

1483
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: to help the Lakers win another championship and prolonged, you know,

1484
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 3: and extent obviously, and it was he wasn't thinking, he

1485
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 3: wasn't going anywhere, right. And then you have Luca, which

1486
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: is a generational talent, a guy that he's put up crazy,

1487
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 3: crazy numbers his first five and a half years of

1488
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: his career. Five I think first all NBA teams, I mean,

1489
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: took the team to the finals with Kyrie and the

1490
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 3: rest of the guys last year and then boom. So

1491
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 3: from the Lakers standpoint, you know, you seem you seem pretty.

1492
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: Excited they've done.

1493
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: They've done, right, do you feel like, hey, I got

1494
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 3: a huge win here. I got a guy that I

1495
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: can build my franchise around. If you pick a guy, right,

1496
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: if you say, who would I picked the start a

1497
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: franchise around right now in the league, right, I mean

1498
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, there's Victoria win Mayama probably there's uh,

1499
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, there's a few. There's maybe a handful of

1500
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 3: guys in one of them is for sure Luca. So

1501
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 3: they feel like, hey, we not just gotten better, let's say,

1502
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: if you will, for the short term, but we have

1503
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 3: a ten year here, a guy that can that can

1504
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: really take and we can build around. So obviously exciting

1505
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 3: times for the Lakers, interesting and challenging times maybe for

1506
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 3: the Maps where they put themselves in a position where

1507
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 3: they're going to.

1508
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: Have to deliver and quick.

1509
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if it's you know, nothing short of finals,

1510
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: might might not cut it, you know. So again, it's

1511
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: interesting I think for from the NBA perspective, I think

1512
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: stuff like this kind of you know, it's good for

1513
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 3: the business people talking about it, the more eyes onto

1514
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: it and see how these story will develop. But yeah,

1515
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: and again, a lot of layers, a lot of a

1516
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 3: lot of depth to this move that it's quite quite incredible,

1517
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,440
Speaker 3: uh and precedented.

1518
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 8: Really.

1519
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to be on the Grizzlies team

1520
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: Mark's rookie year. He's one of my favorite teammates, like ever.

1521
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: We always played soccer on the video game, and just

1522
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: the way he was and the way he played, how

1523
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: proud are you of him what he accomplished in his career?

1524
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: Extremely proud, extremely proud. I mean as an older brother,

1525
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: I'm extremely proud of what Mark has done, who he is,

1526
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: the impact that he's had, and teammates, the communities in

1527
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: the city of Memphis specifically, but he left the Mark

1528
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 3: uh and I'll punt intended with his teammates loved him. Yeah,

1529
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: you know, was selfish, played hard, got their back. It's

1530
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 3: just a true guy.

1531
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 8: You know.

1532
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: He's a a lot of guys. He's a hard, hard

1533
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: nosed player. He's a dog, competes just like you know.

1534
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: So all the all the players love you know. And

1535
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: I've spoken to a lot of teammates and they also said,

1536
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, I love love Mark. He's got a mean,

1537
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: mean streak in him, but he has he has a

1538
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: great heart. He's a good husband, he's a good father,

1539
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: he's a good brother. You know, he's a good son.

1540
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: So you know, and now he's kind of doing his

1541
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: thing and running a team and owning a team in

1542
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 3: Spain and also doing some work with you know, with

1543
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: our foundation and stuff that we kind of created together

1544
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen preventing childhood obesity and promoting health and

1545
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 3: children and vulnerable communities. I'm very very proud of his

1546
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 3: accomplishments of what he's again the impact that he's left.

1547
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: Obviously winning a championship in Toronto was great as well,

1548
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: you know, and that's what he kind of what he

1549
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 3: added to that team right out of the bat. So

1550
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: so yeah, just and the experiences that we had also

1551
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 3: with the national team.

1552
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: That's also super cool.

1553
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 8: Unique.

1554
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 4: How awesome was it to y'all make all start together like,

1555
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: you know, big something you don't see.

1556
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 7: All start game? Like how dope was that for the

1557
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 7: whole family?

1558
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's still still surreal really to think about.

1559
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: There's another historical type of moment that you don't you know,

1560
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: it's hard for you.

1561
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 8: To grabs how cool special that was?

1562
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: You know, as this this year now it's the tenth

1563
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: ten year diversary of that moment Ago twenty fifteen, Madison

1564
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 3: Square Garden.

1565
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 8: First two brothers, who ever start All.

1566
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 3: Star Game and then you have a chance to do

1567
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: the jump ball. Yeah, that's just I was just it

1568
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: just can't you can't write that stye of stuff.

1569
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 8: It just can't make that up.

1570
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: You know, it's like pretty pretty dope for sure, so

1571
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 3: super lucky. Again, we feel so lucky. I've had the opportunities,

1572
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 3: the journey that we've had that we've shared, the moments

1573
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 3: that we've kind of gone through as a family, as brothers,

1574
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 3: and pretty pretty amazing.

1575
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 7: This is our Emirates segment.

1576
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 4: I feel like I know the answer to this already

1577
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 4: because this is like when we talk about, you know,

1578
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 4: how the basketball has taken all of us to crazy

1579
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 4: places and we probably wouldn't have been certain places about football.

1580
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 4: Where was the craziest place that the basketball has taken you?

1581
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 4: And what was your first I think I know this

1582
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: because you just said it. Your first international trip for

1583
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 4: back because of basketball, was taking you to Memphis?

1584
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: Right? Or New York? Well?

1585
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: Well, internationally, I played with for my national team prior

1586
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 3: to that, right, so I ended up traveling, you know,

1587
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: to different countries in Europe.

1588
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 2: Where was that? Yeah, so the first trip was.

1589
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,520
Speaker 8: Probably we did Slovenia. I think Slovenia.

1590
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 3: That's always my first international championship at sixteen years old

1591
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 3: to qualify for the European Championshi, I was ninety seven.

1592
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 8: In Bulgaria, so that was also so that.

1593
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 3: Was an interesting, you know trip. Let's say and tournament.

1594
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 3: We were eighteen years old before we won the World

1595
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: Cup or the World Championship in Portugal.

1596
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 8: So yeah, so that's where I.

1597
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 3: Started traveling internationally at sixteen years old with the national team,

1598
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: you know, to those two Slovenia, Italy, Bulgaria, you know,

1599
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 3: different different places like that, and it was you know,

1600
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 3: it was great.

1601
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 8: That was I mean, obviously that's what you said.

1602
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: Basketball has taken us to places, CITs in our country, in.

1603
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 8: The world that you would have not just not gone period.

1604
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: Obviously, we're very lucky to have done what we've done

1605
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:45,879
Speaker 3: and play the game that we loved.

1606
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 2: An international play like the Olympics.

1607
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: You know, everybody say team USA has the best players,

1608
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 1: they the most dominant. What is the being from another

1609
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: country and happen to be here. What's the mindset for

1610
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: a team like Spain or Argentina or anybody when they're

1611
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: in the Olympics and they see the NBA lows up

1612
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: with all this talent to beat them. What is the

1613
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: mindset of a team?

1614
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: I think a mindset has to be like, let's go

1615
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: out there and compete and try to try to beat

1616
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 3: these guys, you know, I mean those teams you know,

1617
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 3: Argentina had a bunch of NBA players and within their team.

1618
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: We played against these guys.

1619
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: Right Spain, we had a bunch of NBA players when

1620
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 3: we had our best teams, So most of our team

1621
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 3: had played against the top players that we were facing

1622
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 3: and that team that we were facing. Kind of the

1623
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 3: advantage of the international teams that we have been together

1624
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 3: for longer, we have played together longer, we know each

1625
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: other longer. You know, those those USA teams most of

1626
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: the times, they don't have as much continuity and they

1627
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 3: don't spend as much time together during training camps in

1628
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: preparation as we do most of the international teams. So

1629
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 3: you have to rely on on on that, on your

1630
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: team chemistry, on your your strength as a team of

1631
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: knowing each other and really exploiting that against a team

1632
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 3: that it's not so a custom of playing together. They're

1633
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: they're very talented individually speaking, but they have to find

1634
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 3: their way to play together as a team and find

1635
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 3: the right combinations and and stuff and and for the

1636
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: most part, you know, still those talented teams come on top.

1637
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: But it's been great to see the growth of a

1638
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: game internationally and how you know, it's not a walking

1639
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: apart anymore.

1640
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, you.

1641
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: Feel like countries are catching up.

1642
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.

1643
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 1: See how close these classes was. You feel like countries

1644
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: are catching up.

1645
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: For sure.

1646
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: They're definitely catching up, and they're definitely know there's no

1647
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 3: there's no fear anymore, there's no you know complex anymore.

1648
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 8: It's like it's like.

1649
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 2: As you are a.

1650
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 8: Team that it's uh prevented me from winning a gold medal.

1651
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all. That's all it is.

1652
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 3: And we're going to go after it and we're going

1653
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 3: to compete and you're gonna have to play well to

1654
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 3: beat me. This last Olympics was great. I was I

1655
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: was there. I was able to watch life quarterfinals, semifinals,

1656
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 3: and final, and you know, Serbia was in control of

1657
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: that game and with with a good lead for over

1658
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 3: three quarters in the US had to really come through.

1659
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 8: Uh for Lebron and and and Steph.

1660
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 2: They played great.

1661
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, everybody just kind of stepped up and did

1662
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: what they had to do. But they had to really.

1663
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 8: Dig in and come through.

1664
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: And it make some some some big, big plays and

1665
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: big shots to win. And Serbia didn't sustain the way

1666
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 3: they were playing for the forty minutes. But you know,

1667
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 3: they added they were you know, they were playing well.

1668
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: They were they were doing well. And friends also in

1669
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 3: the finals. It was a good match and it was

1670
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 3: a good game, and they were right. It was about

1671
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: and forth and and again. It came down to the

1672
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: last minutes of the game and stuff. Again maybe big

1673
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: big plays, big shots, and and they ended up pulling

1674
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 3: through and win the gold medal. But it's close, it's not. Uh,

1675
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: they have to you know, take it as they've seen.

1676
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,799
Speaker 3: They have to really dig in and take it seriously

1677
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 3: and and and and give their best.

1678
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, how was it for you being inducted into

1679
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, Like that's like the the cream

1680
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 4: Dela griam cherry on top and you know, all of

1681
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 4: the accolades and everything you got.

1682
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 7: How was that for you?

1683
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: It was special, very special and the ultimate honor and

1684
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 3: recognition in our sport.

1685
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 8: To be part of that selected group they get honored

1686
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 8: in that way.

1687
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's it's something that uh, you know,

1688
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: very emotional, very exciting, huge honor. Just the recognition of

1689
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: the level of that degree. It's it's incredible, right So

1690
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: to me, you know, it takes you back, it makes

1691
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: you appreciate your career a lot of what you've kind

1692
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 3: of gone through and and and how you got there

1693
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: and the people that have helped you along the way.

1694
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 3: And for me, it's hard, you know, to you know,

1695
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 3: not have my my brother with me, you know, enjoying

1696
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 3: and sharing those moments, you know, so as much as

1697
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: I have him extremely present, and you know, and Vanessa

1698
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 3: and and the girls, you know, we're we're there and

1699
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 3: and that means the world to me.

1700
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 8: You know, it's hard.

1701
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 3: It's a bit bittersweet because it's such a critical part

1702
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 3: for me also to have grown into the player that

1703
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 3: I became, and and to get that honor. You know,

1704
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: he was he played a key role. But you know,

1705
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: can't change certain things in life. And but yeah, definitely

1706
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: something exceptional that a few a few people kind of

1707
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 3: get that that type of recognition doesn't take anything away

1708
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: from anything. It's just it's just, uh sometimes you wish,

1709
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 3: uh things were different in some regards.

1710
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 7: But yeah, I definitely understand.

1711
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: You played on a couple of teams.

1712
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: If you had to pick four other players to create

1713
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: your ultimate five out of all the players you play

1714
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: with in their prime, who would be the other four players?

1715
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: That you will create the ultimate five. Well, you can

1716
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: pick from any team you played for and there in

1717
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 1: the prime.

1718
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: All right, Oh well, Goby for sure, that's that's a

1719
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 3: no brainer. Again, I played with Tony D.

1720
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: Rose, right, Tony Rose.

1721
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, see if Nash the I played, I played with

1722
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: him in his prime? Say what, his prime was pretty

1723
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 3: pretty special and he would give you a lot of

1724
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 3: a lot of buckets.

1725
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: Man, that's tough.

1726
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 8: It's tough.

1727
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: But Tony two is so yeah, man, they're prime.

1728
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess.

1729
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1730
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 3: Man, let me think about this because I also played.

1731
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 3: Let's see who else I played? I played with play

1732
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: with Jimmy, I played with Giannis for a little bit

1733
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 3: under Bowl D. Who else I played with?

1734
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 8: Mine? Who played with the little Marcus?

1735
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: Marcus?

1736
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 8: It has to be in the NBA?

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, NBA? Did you say as soon as the four?

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01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: That makes the.

1739
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go with Let's go with Kobe, Let's go

1740
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 3: with Yannis, even though I play very briefly with him.

1741
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: But but I guess, yeah, I'll go with Cowhi is

1742
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 3: an interesting and Jimmy.

1743
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 8: Between Kawhi and Jimmy, I probably go with Jimmy.

1744
01:22:53,680 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 3: Uh, even though Kawhi is prime, incredible, incredible player.

1745
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: And.

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01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess I guess I'll go with Tony.

1747
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 3: You know, Tony European, My European Hall of Fame class hell.

1748
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 8: You know, so I think we could do some damage.

1749
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: Star Bench Trade, Duncan, KG, Rashid Wallace. What about it?

1750
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 2: You gotta start one, you got bench one, you got.

1751
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 3: Okay, Star Bank straight, Star Banks straight Man, start Bench straight.

1752
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a tough question, but I guess I'll

1753
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: start with I'll start with Timmy. As much Timmy and

1754
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: KG are both that that same level for me and

1755
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: I appreciate their games and it's a very similar way,

1756
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 3: but uh, Timmy kind of a little more resembled My

1757
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 3: resonated with me a little more. You know, he's the

1758
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 3: mean her, He's go away, you know, not that he

1759
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 3: was like KG. I think he said it very kind

1760
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: of funny but accurately in an interview when he when he.

1761
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: Say how he can talk ship Timmy talks shit about it.

1762
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 3: It was like yeah, like I don't know, like he

1763
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: was like you know, comments like you know, good move

1764
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 3: or like yeah, like yeah, a good shot, a good

1765
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: try or whatever. You know. KG was more more demonstrative,

1766
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 3: more different. So so I'll start with Timmy. I guess

1767
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 3: I'll bench KG and I'll trade for Sheet, even though

1768
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 3: she was another great player that I had a lot

1769
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: of a lot of good matchups against.

1770
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,080
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1771
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,360
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1772
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 7: on us. Man.

1773
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