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Speaker 1: the volume. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: playoff seeding. We know the teams that are in, we

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Speaker 1: don't know the teams that are gonna win. Mitchell, who

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Speaker 1: you got? Well, rich let's start in the a FC

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Speaker 1: do the first off. This has got to be my

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Speaker 1: and everything, but like there's nothing better than NFL playoff season.

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Speaker 1: It's something that everyone get hyped for. And we got

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Speaker 1: some big, big matchups. We're gonna start in the FC. Rich,

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Speaker 1: I want to just take it straight down the line.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills at home against the Dolphins, who may or

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Speaker 1: may not be without to a tongue of voloa. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that game. Mitchell without tongue in his health

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Speaker 1: match with the Buffalo Bill should walk out of that

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Speaker 1: game very comfortably, very admirably. And good job for the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins for making the playoffs. You did a great thing.

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Speaker 1: They were They were people who had Super Bowl aspirations

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Speaker 1: that that really went into the gutter once to A

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Speaker 1: got hurt, but still a good season for them. But

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, Rich, I don't know how Buffalo doesn't just

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Speaker 1: trounce you know, this Miami Dolphin team without too uh

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Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson obviously third you know, third string quarterbacks. There's

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Speaker 1: over by halftime. Vegas is calling it a ten and

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Speaker 1: a half point spread in Bill's favor. I don't know

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Speaker 1: think that they win by two plus scores. Bigger picture

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Speaker 1: here is the Buffalo Bills team. Obviously we talked about

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Speaker 1: on the last podcast, very emotional week for them last week,

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Speaker 1: the mar Hanlon's back home. You know, it seems to

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Speaker 1: me that this could be the perfect story book, kind

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Speaker 1: of fairytale movie type season for the Buffalo Bills. You know,

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Speaker 1: beyond the Dolphins. You know, does this team what stops

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Speaker 1: book ending, It's a perfect story book everything. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of good energy, there's a lot of teams rooting

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill excuse me because of that story, a lot

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Speaker 1: of positive vibes. But Mitchell, Josh Allen's red zone interceptions

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Speaker 1: playoffs it does not work that way. That's why these

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Speaker 1: what's happened with Josh Allen mean is nineteen gives giveaways

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Speaker 1: this season. That's most in the NFL. Five red zone interceptions.

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Speaker 1: uh he said him saying he's doing all this spectacular stuff.

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Speaker 1: what he's showing us this year is not spectacular. Mention,

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Speaker 1: because he has not played in what six weeks, six games,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like I'm gonna be a Baltimore raven

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Lamar Jackson. It's an argument. He's a

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Speaker 1: at home. Kirk, Oh, your thoughts, Mitchell, From what I've heard,

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Speaker 1: a team, if everything's even, A team gets three points

424
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Speaker 1: just for being home. Team gets three points for being home. Sure,

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Speaker 1: so it's an even game. And you're talking about guys

426
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Speaker 1: who don't know any better. That's the worst. That's the

427
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Speaker 1: worst kind of team to deal with, Mitchell. A team

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Speaker 1: that doesn't know they're not supposed to be there. And

429
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Speaker 1: the Giants are not supposed to be there, but they

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Speaker 1: don't know that, and their coach doesn't know that. And

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Speaker 1: Brian day Bowl is tough. He's tough. He played in

432
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Speaker 1: tough division this year, and they have to play the

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Speaker 1: Eagles last game with backups, and so they play with backups,

434
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Speaker 1: and they play with backups, and they gave them the

435
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Speaker 1: Eagles everything they can handle with backups. Daniel Jones didn't play.

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Speaker 1: Be careful, Minnesota, be careful because that that defense has

437
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: been leaky all season. They're one of the worst in

438
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Speaker 1: terms of yards per game. They stand up when they

439
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: have to. Patrick Peterson has had a resurgence and been

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Speaker 1: really good at cornerback spot five interceptions this season. He's

441
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: been really good. They got playmakers that Darius Smith has

442
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: been really good off the edge. Harrison Smith is always steady, playmaker, playmaker, playmaker.

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Speaker 1: But they give up a lot of yards. And this

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Speaker 1: is one of those games that if you let a

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Speaker 1: team like the Giants stick around late in the playoff game,

446
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Speaker 1: where they start to believe they can see next round,

447
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Speaker 1: they can see light at the end of the tunnel,

448
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Speaker 1: they'll send you home. These one possession games. I know

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Speaker 1: you've you've been living by the luck of the Irish

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Speaker 1: for a really a long time and living like that.

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Speaker 1: They're they're one of the few teams to ever be

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Speaker 1: seated at this high with such a negative point differential

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Speaker 1: and the luck of the Irish maybe ending, but you

454
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Speaker 1: know they still have Kirko. Do you know what they

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Speaker 1: say when you see that light at the end of

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Speaker 1: the tunnel, Rich, it might be just that freight trains

457
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Speaker 1: gonna knock your ass out, you know, I think, and

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Speaker 1: I think you're onto something. I followed way too much

459
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Speaker 1: of the NFC North this season. Everyone knows by now

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Speaker 1: I'm a detroitter. I love the Lions Kumbaya, but this

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00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings team, they're fraudulent. I don't see how you

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Speaker 1: can possibly think any different than that. I mean, when

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Speaker 1: you have a negative scoring differential on the season and

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Speaker 1: eleven one possession games, they've been living by the luck

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Speaker 1: of the Irish. Like you said, this Giants team, Brian Dable,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got to be aggressive if he coaches

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Speaker 1: like he did at the very beginning of this season

468
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Speaker 1: when they were just pulling things out left and right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got the weapons to do it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has been playing with a lot more confidence

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Speaker 1: of late. You know, I think that they are able

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Speaker 1: to overcome this Vikings team, and Justin Jefferson. I will

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Speaker 1: stay with one caveat Justin Jeffret Jefferson is an absolute

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Speaker 1: rock star stud. If Kirk Cousins and him can connect

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Speaker 1: and get on path like they've been doing in the past,

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Speaker 1: you know, ten reception game a d fifty yards the

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Speaker 1: night night. But if they're able to control Justin Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants have got to win on their

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Speaker 1: hands here. Now. I don't think either of these teams

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Speaker 1: UM wins this game and then gets to the next

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Speaker 1: round and deals in San Francisco forty Niners, any of

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Speaker 1: you know in goes but whatever. UM that's where they

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Speaker 1: invented the word called cake walks Central for San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's San Francisco. They're going to the NFC Championship. But

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Speaker 1: that's that's a story for next week. Now. Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

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Speaker 1: you've played down in Tampa Bay, you live down in

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Rich. They they got somebody, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've heard of him. He's just entered the league

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. His name is Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I know, I know that Tom Brady is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that hasn't had a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of success and in the postseason, So does he have

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Speaker 1: success now? Rich playing the Dallas Cowboys at home. Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Edward Brady Jr. Junior. I didn't know that. Nobody

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00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: knows the Mitchell. Nobody knows what until you say it

496
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: has won a lot of games in the Natural Football League,

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Speaker 1: a lot of games. Mitchell. He's probably won more games

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Speaker 1: this decade in the playoffs then the Dallas Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: won in a very long time in his career. Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: he made rival the Dallas Cowboys as a franchise and

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Speaker 1: they're an all time franchise menteal. They've won a lot

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. They haven't won him recently. And Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: if they play the way they did against the Washington

504
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Speaker 1: Commanders when they got beat twenty six to six by

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Speaker 1: Sam Howe, nothing against Sam How's first start beast the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys six. Now, Mitchell, they didn't people until late

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Speaker 1: in that game. Metro. It wasn't like things got crazy

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Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, we need to give these

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00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: guys arrest. Mitchell. That wasn't what happened. This is concerning

510
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: because Dallas Cowboys needed to show confidence. They need to show,

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Speaker 1: you know, continuity going into the playoffs. They need to

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Speaker 1: impressive win against the division opponent, and they did not

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Speaker 1: do that. So what we're gonna need from Rain Dakota

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Speaker 1: Prescott is not turn the ball op and score some points. Now,

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Speaker 1: they have a weakness, a glaring weakness that that Washington exploited.

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Speaker 1: And it's that right corner, Mitchell. It's the left corner

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Speaker 1: on the defenses. Left the offense is right Mitchell. The

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Speaker 1: Carolina game, now, now, Tom and those guys didn't play

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Speaker 1: well against Atlanta to get the bets kick. But whatever

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Speaker 1: the Carolina game, he threw three touchdowns to Mike Kevins Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: Guess where you're throwing. Guess what you're throwing Mitchell? Right

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00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: down that right styline Rich right down that right sideline Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: And that's where he's gonna throw him this week. And

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Speaker 1: if he if they catch fire like they did that week,

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Speaker 1: they will send these boys home packing and Dallas will

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Speaker 1: have one of the toughest off seasons they've had probably

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Speaker 1: in the last decade. Because when when I tell you,

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Speaker 1: people will talk bad about them, people we'll talk crazy

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Speaker 1: about him, and this whole offseason. If they lose the

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Speaker 1: first round to Tom and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, after

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Speaker 1: everything they're supposed to be this season, Mitchell, it will

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00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: be tough. They have too many good players, they have

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Speaker 1: a good defense, they have good coaching. Okay, so I

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00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: gotta say the Cowboys are like that that Instagram model

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00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: wants you to take the makeup off, man. I mean

536
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: the time they look great, and then you catch him

537
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: without the filters on and everything, and you see him

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Speaker 1: against all the commanders of whoa who is this? I'm

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00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: with you, rich I. I could see if there was

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Speaker 1: a matchup that the Buccaneers could realistically win, it's against

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboy team. That being said, I could also

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Speaker 1: see Dallas Cowboys going to the NFC Championship game. Like

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00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: it's just like you don't know who you're gonna get.

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00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: If that can can keep, you know, keep control of

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00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: the ball, not give the ball away like he's been

546
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: doing them late. They got all the weapons. They got

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, they got t. D. Lamb, they got the

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00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: tight end that everyone wants and Dalton Schultz fellow cardinal.

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Speaker 1: Anything is possible here. I'm trying to see where you

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00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: where your man, it's a at because you might have

551
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: taken too many today. If I heard you say Dallas

552
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys can make the NFC Championship, Mentell, what I mean,

553
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: they gotta go through the Philadelphia Eagles, Mitchell, They like,

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Speaker 1: let's not get crazy, Menty, this is the team that

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Speaker 1: just lost to the Washington Commanders. Well, I'll say this,

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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: if Tampa gets in a pinch in this game, Tom's

557
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: got to go back to what he was doing against Carolina,

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00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: want in doubt, bomb it out. Mike Evans is a

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00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: guy that can just flip the game in one play,

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00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. And Chris Godwin's healthy. Now, I mean, Tampa

561
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: has got all the weapons. They don't have a run

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00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: game right now, but they got all the weapons that

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Speaker 1: they need in terms of just being one play flip,

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Speaker 1: you know, flip the game. So I like this matchup

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Speaker 1: for Tampa. Richard, We're gonna have an exciting postseason here.

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Speaker 1: But before we, you know, get into anything beyond this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I want to just talk about your predictions now that

568
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Speaker 1: the slate of playoffs has been set. Who do you

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Speaker 1: see in the Super Bowl now? Uh, San Francisco. And

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Speaker 1: for the first time it's changed in a really long time.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, Cincinnati. I love it. That's how I feel

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Speaker 1: about it. Well, thank you guys for joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: I got a special guest, my guy president of the

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Speaker 1: nfl P, A j C. Treader, joining us. Next stay too,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Truman Podcast. We got a

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Speaker 1: special your guest, President of the nfl P, a J. C. Trader.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna inform you guys today. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little different. Appreciate you joining me, j C. Absolutely, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. I want to start. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have so many guys like yourself that have built

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Speaker 1: up like a platform and it's great to be on

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Speaker 1: to kind of have you lend your platform to the

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Speaker 1: union and to that discussion, to inform, to learn, to teach.

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Speaker 1: So I very much appreciate you inviting me on. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to do it, man. You know, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about the Union. I've been on the

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Speaker 1: e C for nine years now. Guys need to know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and when guys talk about the p A

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, you've got one of two guys.

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Speaker 1: You've got guys that have been to a meeting and

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Speaker 1: and sat there and listen, and we're frustrated enough to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I need them to hear my perspective in person. And

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Speaker 1: then they go to the meeting and then they learn more,

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Speaker 1: and then they're not frustrated anymore. Then they're doing more

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Speaker 1: to make a difference. Then you've got the guys that

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Speaker 1: have never been to a meeting, never never been to

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Speaker 1: anything NFL p A, but have the biggest opinions about it, like,

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Speaker 1: help me explain what the p A is and what

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Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, I think the p A, like any

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Speaker 1: union is membership is the players. And I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: a lot of people lose that. Um they think like

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Speaker 1: we have the players and then the p as this

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Speaker 1: other entity which just isn't true. And you know the

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Speaker 1: guys that get involved and kind of see just how

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Speaker 1: player driven the p A is. Like we have a

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Speaker 1: staff to run day to day operations because most of

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Speaker 1: us have day jobs of playing football. Um, we we

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Speaker 1: need people and they're running the day to day But

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Speaker 1: any decision made is voted on and passed by the

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Speaker 1: players themselves to agree to it. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: there there are some guys to get frustrated with the

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Speaker 1: p A. And they have a ton of wants and requests,

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Speaker 1: And I think the easiest way of explaining it is

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Speaker 1: um players look at the p A like their agent,

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Speaker 1: which isn't exactly an accurate representation, but I'll use that

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Speaker 1: representation or that comparison to kind of make a point.

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Speaker 1: If if you are you your chairman, and you're coming

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Speaker 1: up for a contract negotiation and you are future Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, all Pro Pro bowler, best corner in the league,

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Speaker 1: and you go to your agent and you say, I

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Speaker 1: want to be the highest paid corner in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: I want the highest APU, I most guaranteed everything. Your

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Speaker 1: agent will look at you and say, you want to

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Speaker 1: know what you've given me the tools to have that

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Speaker 1: conversation and fight for that with your team and with

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Speaker 1: other teams, because you've provided me the tools if you had.

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Speaker 1: You know, a practice squad guy or a special teams

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Speaker 1: guy who's been on four different teams in four years

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Speaker 1: is trying to get by and he goes to his

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Speaker 1: agents as I want to be the high spake corner

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Speaker 1: in the league. I want the highest APU, I most guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: You guys gonna be like you haven't given me the

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Speaker 1: tools man, like, you haven't put that out there where

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00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: I can. I can go to that team and have

635
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: that conversation. And I think that's really similar to the

636
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: union too, where if we were getting every player to

637
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: buy in and realize that the NFL p A is

638
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: just us, it's just everybody in that locker room, and

639
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: they all were willing to give Hall of Fame all

640
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: pro old bowl top, you know, effort to the p A.

641
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: What we could demand and what we could fight for

642
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: is different. But too often we have guys who, like

643
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: you said, don't come to meetings, don't get involved, don't

644
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: lend their voice and say, well, I want the best

645
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: deal possible and said, well, you haven't given us those

646
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: tools to do it. And you know that that's not

647
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: blaming guys, but that I think guys need to hear that,

648
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: um because the strength of any union is the willingness

649
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: for membership to stand up together united on issues. And

650
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: until we're willing to do that, it's not fair to

651
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: even have those discussions of why don't we have us Well,

652
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: until we execute and show that we can do it,

653
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: we can't even have that next discussion of what we

654
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: can get with it, that's one of the best ways

655
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: I've heard it put in a very long time. Guys,

656
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: if you want to make a difference, you want to

657
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: change things, you want to see differences. You've got a

658
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: problem with how something is rung, how something is done,

659
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: come to the meetings, have an opinion, be a rent.

660
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: The reps have the votes. Remember when the cb A

661
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: happened and guys were like, hey, I don't know what happened,

662
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: and I wasn't in a part of those The information

663
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: was sent, the meetings were had. You're rep voted, whether

664
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: it was yes or no, you're rep voted. There was

665
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: a rep that abstained, didn't vote at all, And if

666
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: you feel a way about that, then be the guy

667
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: that votes, Be the guy that that sits in the meetings,

668
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: gets to information. But it's hard when guys complaining you

669
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do the work. You can't, you can't

670
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: want and need and think, hey, this is happening, this

671
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: is happened. It's us, it's our union, it's our decisions.

672
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: It's not the staff decisions. It's not the staff union.

673
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: So if you're upset that anybody be upset that the

674
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: reps that you voted for r b upset at yourself

675
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: for not going and taking initiative to be the person

676
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: with the vote, with the information. Until you're willing to

677
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: do that, it's really difficult to take the complaints seriously.

678
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: I want to talk about now the benefits that we

679
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: have negotiated, that we fought for, and I want to

680
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: help guys understand where they come from. Like everybody sits there,

681
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: for example, four one K guys sit there and say

682
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: the league matches are four oh one K. That's not

683
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: totally true, is it j No, it's it's different. So

684
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: a little a little bit of a math lesson here.

685
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: We are revenue sharing business, so what all the revenue

686
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: that gets brought in by the NFL. We get a

687
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: cut of that pot, which is a little more than

688
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: we just finished negotiating or the league finished negotiating the

689
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: YouTube drum Sunday ticket deal, so our percentage is still

690
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: being worked out because of the media kicker. So we

691
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: get forty eight point, you know, to of all revenue.

692
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's one thing um that I, you know, somewhat

693
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: laugh at. Whenever the league signs a big new TV deal,

694
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: you always get the people who are like, oh, NFLPA

695
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: got hoodwinked, like why they're not getting any of this.

696
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: It's like, no, we we want them to sign the

697
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: biggest deals possible because we get our percentage of all

698
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: of those deals. So we like, if we were making

699
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: math easy, we get of all the revenue brought in

700
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: by the league. If we say, I took some took

701
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: some notes for an easy quick math, if the lead

702
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: brings an eighteen billion dollars in revenue, we get it,

703
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: which is about eight point six billion dollars we get

704
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: for all player costs. Anything that players receive that comes

705
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: out of that forty percent, about eight percent goes to

706
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: the salary cap, which is about six point nine billion

707
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: dollars or about two sixteen million per club, and goes

708
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: to the benefits. All of those benefits we're talking about

709
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: comes out of our player share, and that's about one

710
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: point seven billion dollars or fifty four million dollars per club,

711
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: which funds all the benefits, the four oh one k

712
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: the cap, the player performance, all of those The player

713
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: performance is a great thing that came up with by

714
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: the players. The players came up with this idea of

715
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: how do we get more money in the pockets of

716
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: what we deem our core players, which are the minimum

717
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: salary guys, the special teams guys, and the more you play,

718
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: the more you get paid. Coming up with those benefits

719
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: and finding ways to get money to people, um evenly

720
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: distributed where everybody's getting their share, no matter if you're

721
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: a starter, no man, if you're a backup, if you're

722
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player, or you're you're just scraping by,

723
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, getting on a roster fifty man, you're all

724
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: getting that same benefit that all comes from our players share.

725
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: And this all came to light, I guess, and I

726
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: guess became a public issue because of the mar Hamlet situation.

727
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: You know, thank goodness, he's okay, Thank goodness, you know,

728
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: everything worked out and he's still recovering, and um, it's

729
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: been a blessing, you know, because it's it's it's had

730
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot more positive press than negative, and I think

731
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: more positive have come from it. But people learn that, hey,

732
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: we don't have lifetime healthcare. You know, we got five

733
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: years of healthcare after we're done. And it's been a

734
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: point of contention for a lot of players for a

735
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: long time, like that's something we want and as players

736
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: and as a now former player. Now you you think, oh,

737
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: you think we're not in the room fighting for for

738
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: a lifetime healthcare. You think we don't, We're not sore

739
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: and hurt every game we are now. The league fights

740
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: us as hard as any anything, any subject, any anything

741
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: we fight for. They are hardest against that in money.

742
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: What is that? I think unlike probably other sports leagues,

743
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: I think the NFL specifically looks at the pie that

744
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: all revenue as their money, and it's almost like they're

745
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: gifting it to us through negotiations of like, you guys

746
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: can have this for I think other leagues look at

747
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: it more of a partnership and that you know both

748
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: it only operates because both groups are efficiently working together.

749
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: I think our league is probably the most adversarial of anywhere.

750
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: It really has looked at as the owners see it

751
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: as their money and um, you know they do not

752
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: like giving it up to us. Um, So I think

753
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: that's really what it's what it's looked at. I want

754
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: to point out one more thing, because when we talk

755
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: about all the benefits, there are some benefits I think

756
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: players aren't always aware of, and I know fans aren't

757
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: aware of where I don't like speaking in one particular issue.

758
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: But if you look at a guy who gets hurt

759
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: and can never play again, a a lot of people say, like,

760
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: what what happens? How do they get taken care of?

761
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: We have like the injury protection benefit, which for a

762
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: guy that can't ever play again, the next year if

763
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: he can't play, he gets a percent of his salary um.

764
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: That's a benefit. The next year this is this is

765
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: a change in the cb A. Previously it was fifty

766
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: of his his salary. The second year he gets percent

767
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: of salary again. So if a guy gets hurt, he

768
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: has protection, is still getting his full salary even though

769
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: it's not guaranteed contracts. What we can get into that,

770
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: that's a benefit of how do you creatively find ways

771
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: to protect guys in the most vulnerable situations to make

772
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: sure they're taken care of? And those are the things

773
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: that nobody hears about that realizes our union has done

774
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: that work and has has put thought and planning into

775
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: protecting players money and making sure they're taken care of um.

776
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: And again those are fights you know. I saw I

777
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: was reading through your your Twitter comments when you were

778
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: asking about like what questions and people were asking about

779
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: win wins. We wish the league would look at player

780
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: safety or player protections or player benefits as win wins, right,

781
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: But they don't. They don't look at as win wins

782
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: because they look at it as their money um and

783
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: any time they're giving up their money, they see it

784
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: as a loss. So all of those are always fights.

785
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: It's it's never simple like, well, you know that should

786
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: be easy. You should easily be able to protect players

787
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: who have career ending injuries on the field. It ain't

788
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: easy at any easy answer. We can go into the

789
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: fights we had over concussions for years before we got

790
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: the lead to take them seriously and then to get

791
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 1: u n c s on the sidelines, and the years

792
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: it took for us to get them to take it seriously.

793
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: This does not have a good idea. It makes sense,

794
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: do it. It's have a good idea, fight for years

795
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: to get it in and then finally get it in.

796
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: And that's why we need the fans to to really

797
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys love players. You guys at this

798
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: moment showed there's a lot of love from these fans

799
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: for these players, but that love needs to be shown

800
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: when there are issues that players have to work in

801
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: their best interests. When teams are working in their best interests,

802
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: we here, we're here friends all the time. Hey, they

803
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: cut a player with two years left on his deal. Hey,

804
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: it was in the best interest of the team. Hey,

805
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: the team had to do what the team had to do.

806
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Fans seem to always understand that. But when a player

807
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: does something where it's in the best interest of the player,

808
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: it's never the player did what he had to do.

809
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: We support him. Hey, the players doing what he had

810
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: to do, whether it's a hold out, whether it's him

811
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: him him sitting through training camp, not coming to O

812
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: t S, whatever the case may be. We need that

813
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: same energy from the fans. And when we're talking about benefits,

814
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: because we talk about the salary cap, and the salary

815
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: cap is supposed to jump this year. You know with

816
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: all this this this money, these new media rights deals, um,

817
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: the YouTube deal included. But you know that's not gonna

818
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: come in until down the line, obviously, But people talk about, hey,

819
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: like why can't you ask for this or why can't

820
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: you get this, or why can't you benefit comes off

821
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: the cap. So so if if if we didn't have benefits,

822
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: if we didn't have h r A S annuities. We

823
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: didn't have tuition reimbursement Player performance, we didn't have h

824
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: t MP, we didn't have any of the benefit the

825
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: players have. The salary cap be what to fifty right now?

826
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Who sixty something? Yeah? Yeah, it's that world where it's

827
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: finding that fine line. And that's why we have so

828
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: many opinions and so many thoughts, and our membership is

829
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: so diverse in a world where if you're doing the math,

830
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: we could have a world where the salary cap is

831
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy million dollars and we're giving zero

832
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: dollars in benefits. And there's probably some people out there,

833
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: probably play quarterback, who are saying that's great, you know,

834
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: like give me more salary cap space. I'll be making

835
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars a year. But the same thing,

836
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you go to the other extreme and

837
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: we had a hundred and sixty million dollars in benefits

838
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: and then only you know, a hundred and ten in

839
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: the salary cap, that's not the perfect balance either. So

840
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: you're always trying to find that perfect balance of how

841
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: much benefits to give, how much do we put in

842
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: the salary cap? How do we balance these issues, how

843
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: do we make sure guys are protected and we're giving

844
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: everybody a fair equitable share of the benefits. Those are

845
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: the discussions, and it's never a simple because again the

846
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: money has been spent. We get the revenue, so any

847
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: new idea can be a great idea. Then you have

848
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: to figure out how to pay for it, and it

849
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: comes from two ways. You either get more revenue through negotiations,

850
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: you get we're now we've opened up more revenue to

851
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: build in new benefits, or you have to take a

852
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: benefit away or take the cap down. So if you

853
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: come up with a new benefit and you say, okay,

854
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: well this is gonna cost ten million dollars a year, okay,

855
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: well that's ten million dollars off the cap, and you

856
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: have to you have to weigh those positive news. It's

857
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: not as simple as just ask for it, get it,

858
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: and then it falls into the equation. You have to

859
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: make it fit in the equation. You have to make

860
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: it fit. And some of the things that we've made

861
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: fit are our benefits, such as preseason pay. Now fans

862
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: don't know about preseason pay. They just assume if they're

863
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: playing a football game, they're making their normal salary. They

864
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: are not. In the preseason, I think rookies make about

865
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's up now, probably Bucks a game that's

866
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: make a little under if I'm not if I'm remembering

867
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: it correctly. You know, it's many years since I played

868
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. The playoffs. Everybody thinks, Oh, the playoffs

869
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: the most spectacular thing that league has. It's our prettiest

870
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: it's our prettiest prize. Everybody's going for the super Bowl.

871
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: You would think guys are making the most money. Then no,

872
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: it's a benefit paid for by from our side of

873
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: the pie that we have to divvy out. And the

874
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: thought process when you divvy this out and you cut

875
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: it up, you're thinking of the grand scheme, like, hey,

876
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't make the playoffs, so you can't you can't

877
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: allocate a substantial amount to something everybody won't benefit from.

878
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: But you still want guys to benefit from it. So

879
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: you got guys, You got the quarterbacks, the guys, the

880
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: big money. Guys take huge pay cuts in the playoffs.

881
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: People don't understand this. Take huge pay cuts. They're almost

882
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: going from making whatever they're making to the minimum to

883
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: the minimum in our league to play in these playoffs,

884
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: some guys make more in one check it sometimes it's

885
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: a quarter of their check. Then they would make the

886
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: entire playoffs, including a super Bowl win. There are guys

887
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: act that would make that in one game. So when

888
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: fans are really thinking about these things and you're like, hey,

889
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: these guys are are doing this, or these guys are

890
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: doing that, these guys are fighting to win, they're not

891
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: in the playoffs fighting for a check, are like hey,

892
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: like like, oh man, I'm about to get paid. Imagine

893
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 1: going from making I mean some guys making seven figures again,

894
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: so making Yeah, I think it's I think it's also

895
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: easy for I think people will hear that that snippet

896
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: right there you said and be like, oh, you know,

897
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: it's the classic A. The p A sucks, Like how

898
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: can you do that? And and that's until you discuss

899
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: the nuance of it, of the balance between more and

900
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: fair right Like, it's easy to always just be like, oh,

901
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: they should get more. It's like, okay, well, well what's fair,

902
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: right like is more pay them their exact salaries from

903
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the season. Okay, that's gonna come out of benefits, which

904
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: means either we have to shrink the salary cap down,

905
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: which means everybody else, you know, the teams that don't

906
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: make the playoffs have less salary cap. They're making less

907
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: money because of it, or shrink the benefit pool down.

908
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: And now just you know, the quarterback that's already making

909
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in a year needs to make his

910
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: extra four million dollars per game in the playoffs. That's more.

911
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: But is that actually fair? And there is no right

912
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: there's no right answer. It's all a balance. And that's

913
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: why word democracy and we vote on how this is

914
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: broken up. And that's the thing that you know, we

915
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: we harped on at the beginning of this. You know,

916
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: the p A is the players. So if you have

917
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: a problem, you get one voice, you get one vote,

918
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: and you had come and use it. And if we

919
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: had in a world where all two thousand players said,

920
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: I want to go to REP meeting and I want

921
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: to sit there and I want to learn and I

922
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: want to voice my opinion, We'll fly everybody out to

923
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: REP meeting like that. We have enough resources to do

924
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: it so that there's no limit of all I wish

925
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I could. I would, but they won't let me. You

926
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: want to come, we'll bring you out there, and there's

927
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: been so many conversations with guys who have gone into it,

928
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: gone into a REP meeting and gone into we have

929
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: a leadership summit with a bunch of young players in

930
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: l A who have gone in kind of thinking like, man,

931
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: I hear all these bad things about the p A.

932
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: And then they sit there and have a conversation with

933
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: you for thirty minutes and you dive into these things

934
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: and they leave being like I didn't know. I just

935
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: I just didn't know. And now I get it, and

936
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: I get it, and I want to be more involved.

937
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: And it's hard to have two thousand one off conversations.

938
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: So I think this will be really helpful, hopefully to

939
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: teach and show. The more guys that get involved and

940
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: put their voice and put their opinions out there, the

941
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: more fair things will be because we're hearing from more people.

942
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: We can only work with what we're given. So, like

943
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: you said with the agent analogy, like you can only

944
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: work with what you're given. We we fight, We have

945
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: certain leverage plays we can make, but they only work

946
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: if all two thousand guys are on the same page

947
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: and moving in one direction. And as anybody knows, it's

948
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: hard to get ten people moving in the same direction

949
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: with different opinions, and everybody is raised in different environments,

950
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: and so to get two thousand going the same direction,

951
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: when you can't get two thousand and read the information

952
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: and to to to to value with the same it's

953
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: very difficult. But I want ends to know this information too.

954
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be secrets and the fans

955
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: to not know what's going on. You want us to

956
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: do better than when when the PA and the players

957
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: are making leverage plays to try to gain leverage and

958
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: to try to get themselves in position to gain more

959
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: money so that we can get these things like the

960
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: split in the contract that Damar Hamlin had that they

961
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: had to take out so that he got his full salary.

962
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: That's that's that's uh, one of the issues of the

963
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: many issues that we have to negotiate with the league.

964
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: And although in the public eye they may say, hey,

965
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: we're so player centric and we're for player safety and

966
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: whatever it means to keep our players safe, behind closed doors,

967
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: the conversations are much different. It's the bottom line business

968
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna get. If it affects their bottom line. Lifetime

969
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: healthcare would come out of a player cost in an

970
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: enormous way, if it was even possible. Now, we've gone

971
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: to to a lot of companies and just wanted to

972
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: hear a quote about what it would take for lifetime healthcare.

973
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: Tell them some of the conversations that have had been

974
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: had j C. Yeah, I mean, no no entity would

975
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: guarantee us a plan that they would continue. So you know,

976
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 1: whenever you create a benefit, you're creating a benefit that's

977
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: expected to continue forever. And no company is willing to

978
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: promise or make an agreement that this benefit would continue forever.

979
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: And then you know, just us making our own projections,

980
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: we're looking at a huge portion of the benefit pool.

981
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean not even the benefit. It would blow the

982
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: benefit pool up. It would be more than what we

983
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: have in benefits to pay for it UM. And one

984
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: thing that you know I'm working on with the staff.

985
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: Actually now I've flagged earlier in the year, and I

986
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: think we're going to continue on. There was a there

987
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: was a University of Michigan study I believe in two

988
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: thousand nine that I believe said of former NFL players

989
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: had healthcare, whether that the UM five years, whether that's

990
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: using their a R A, whether that's them having a

991
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: job and getting healthcare through their their own employment, whether

992
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: their wife or spouse having a job. It showed the

993
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: nine percent at that time had healthcare. I want to

994
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: know it's been in thirteen years. I want to know

995
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: what that number is now too, because if that number

996
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: is consistent and we're still at who have healthcare, you

997
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: know when they're done playing to pay lifetime healthcare seems

998
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: like an over expense for the nine percent that don't

999
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: have it. Where you try to find these other things,

1000
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: like we have the hospital network where we have the

1001
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: ability for players to go into these NFL designated hospitals

1002
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: and all major cities of the teams and go in

1003
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: and get checkups in orthopedic checks and outpatient things. Finding

1004
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: ways to cover that nine percent is probably more cost

1005
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: efficient then blowing up all benefits for lifetime healthcare. And

1006
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: again that's not even a choice yet because we have

1007
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: nobody offering us that choice. So it's easy just to

1008
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: yell lifetime healthcare. We don't have the option, um and

1009
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: and that's just the fact because our player population, as

1010
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: injury rate and insurance is just a weight scale game.

1011
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: And they look at it and say, all these guys

1012
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: get hurt. They're all gonna have issues. We don't want

1013
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: to be on the back end of that, of that uh,

1014
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: that check figuring out how much it costs at the end,

1015
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: so we don't touch it. And that's the issue we have.

1016
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a great idea that we always

1017
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: have probed into. I was looking back before we took

1018
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: out on the Call of Conversations, back into the early

1019
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: two thousand's about looking into lifetime healthcare. It is not

1020
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: an issue that we just throw like. It's not like

1021
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: we just said no, not possible. We look into it

1022
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: all the time because it's a good idea and it's

1023
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: just figuring out again what is fair and how do

1024
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: we pay for every time. I love this conversation because

1025
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: you hear about these things all the time, whether it's

1026
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: from players, former players, fans. Why don't they just get life?

1027
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: The p A didn't even fight for it. Yes, yes,

1028
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: for dang sure we did. For dang sure we did.

1029
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: And I hate the uninformed and uneducated opinions of people

1030
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: who have never set in these meetings and don't know.

1031
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy for them to say lifetime health

1032
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: care when you don't have to come up with a

1033
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: plan to get it, you know. So we've tried to

1034
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: mitigate that with the hospital system that we we created

1035
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: so that former players can have access because a lot

1036
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: of them don't have primary care physicians, they don't have

1037
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: any hospitals to go to, they don't have a direction

1038
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: to go. So now we can give them places they

1039
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: can go they can get care. They're still the cap

1040
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: on how much care you can get. I think it's

1041
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: up to fifty thou for some it's twenty five thousand

1042
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: for mental health evaluations and help in that regard. But

1043
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: we are doing our best, and if you want us

1044
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: to get more fans, you have to stand with the players.

1045
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: So when we're trying to get from the league so

1046
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: that we can pay for more things for the players

1047
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: and we can do more for the players. Are if

1048
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: you want the league to just pay for it, hey,

1049
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: lead they have a lifetime healthcare out of your side

1050
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: of the portion. Hey we we we Hey would not

1051
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: fight you there, but understand that's not how they do business.

1052
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: And we have these benefits. We have chares to help

1053
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: our players, we have annuities to help our players. The

1054
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: four O one K match comes from our side of

1055
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: the portion, so we are really paying ourselves. So guys,

1056
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: you have to understand that as well. It's not the

1057
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: league taking it from their fifty one and a half

1058
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: percent or fifty two whatever it is on any given

1059
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: day and paying a four one K to the players.

1060
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: That's not what's happening. What we negotiated for, we're taking

1061
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: a portion and giving it to our players retirement funds.

1062
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: So talk about the former players, because there are a

1063
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: lot of former players that are very frustrated saying the

1064
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: union doesn't do anything for him, and that's not true.

1065
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that every at least in recent memory,

1066
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: every group of players when we negotiate a new cb

1067
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: A have reached back and things for former players to

1068
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: increase their benefits, to give them more. And that is

1069
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: not that is not a mandate like that. That is

1070
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: each group making that same choice to give back to

1071
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the group that shoulders. We stand out again, we are

1072
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: a union in which we are past president future and

1073
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: we make decisions within that realm of we're looking back

1074
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: at how we can help guys who are no longer

1075
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: part of the bargaining unit, as well as setting the

1076
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: future up who are in eighth aid right now, but

1077
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be in our chairs, you know, during the

1078
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: next CBA discussion, and how do we do that? So,

1079
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: like in b A, we increase the pension payments to

1080
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: ten thousand former players. We had seven hundred former players

1081
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: that were not qualified for a pension because we used

1082
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: to have a four year vest and now we're down

1083
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: to a three year vest. So we had seven d

1084
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: players that were at four year at four years but

1085
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, have played three, but you couldn't get to

1086
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 1: four and not if they were playing nowadays, they would

1087
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: have qualified. We went back and have given them a pension.

1088
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: And the amount of stories we heard from guys in

1089
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: that pool that they had kept going to training camps

1090
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: and kept just trying to get one more year so

1091
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: they could vest, and they couldn't do it. And now

1092
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: for our guys to be like, no, we aren't. We're

1093
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: gonna take care of those guys and we're gonna give

1094
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: those seven under guys pensions and treat them as we

1095
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: are treated now is three years. Like that's a that's

1096
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: a huge life changing decision that we made for those guys.

1097
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: Players didn't have an h r A and we received

1098
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: a fifty dollar h RA A account to pay for

1099
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: healthcare reimbursement. Again we're talking huge numbers. Then you touched

1100
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: on the NFL Designated Hospital Network. Those are you know,

1101
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: finding creative ways to help former players get the aid

1102
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: in the money and the help they need. UM. And

1103
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: that's not even touching on the trust in the p

1104
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: AF and and all these other union specific things that

1105
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: we do to help those players. So the list goes

1106
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: on and on, but that is something we call kind

1107
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: of filling in the donut holes UM where each C

1108
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: B A there are things that can kind of fall

1109
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: through the cracks. And then after you get a little perspective,

1110
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: you look back and be like, man, you know the

1111
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: pre ninety three years or the people who went on

1112
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: this strike, like they missed out on this, let's make

1113
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: sure they get it back now. And again that all

1114
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: comes out of the current players share. So when we

1115
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about we spend it, we get that's a choice

1116
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: between our players deciding the salary cap should go up

1117
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: more or you want to know what, now, we'll we'll

1118
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: take that money out of the cap and we're gonna

1119
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: pay those guys to make sure they're taken care of.

1120
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't think our current players get enough credit for

1121
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: always making that decision, because again it's not mandatory. That's

1122
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys always deciding. You know, eventually we're

1123
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna be in there their shoes. And we hope the

1124
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: future generations take care of us like we're going to

1125
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: take care of the previous generation. And that's huge. And

1126
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: that's because of their respect in the regards that our

1127
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: men have for the past generations and the shoulders we

1128
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: stand on and the gains and the sacrifices that they

1129
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: made before us. And I think that's the reason it happens.

1130
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: And I and again, I think it's because of the uninformed,

1131
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: uneducated opinions. You know, a lot of people don't have

1132
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: this information and so they continue, you know, but have

1133
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: strong opinions. They have strong voices and strong opinions, but

1134
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: without the information. So if you have the information and

1135
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: you are educated on the subject, feel free to make

1136
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: your opinion. You don't have to agree with us, you

1137
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: don't have to feel like we're right, but understand, we

1138
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: are doing our best, and we are doing the best

1139
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: that with what we have and the best aim and

1140
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: and and thoughts and and process for our players. Everything

1141
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: is in the best interests of our players, and that

1142
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: is always at the forefront, and anybody who says otherwise

1143
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: is uneducated and uninformed. I think. I think the best

1144
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: perspective too, is like when a cb A finishes, there's

1145
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: never like a moment where we just like let out

1146
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: a breath and are like, we did it. We're done,

1147
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Like that gets signed, and the next step is like, Okay,

1148
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: what didn't we get what we need? How do we

1149
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: get it? We're gonna start planning for ten years from now,

1150
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: the next CBA or the next fight. So this idea

1151
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: that you know, we're we're happy with everything we got.

1152
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: We felt like you know, when a CBA passes, you

1153
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: feel like you got a fair deal that the majority

1154
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: of players agree is acceptable. But you're always looking at things.

1155
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: You know, a compromise by definition is imperfect because both

1156
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: sides had to come off their goal. Um, And I

1157
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: think there are sometimes people just don't understand how wide

1158
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: ranging our membership is and their their beliefs, Like I

1159
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: think the seventeenth Game is a perfect example because everybody

1160
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: says like you're you're stupid for accepting it, stupid idea,

1161
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: but you have to understand the wide ranging opinions of

1162
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: our membership. Right, Like a guy like me or a

1163
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: guy like you, Richard, we weren't playing in the preseason, right,

1164
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: so getting another game is more work because we weren't

1165
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: playing in that game and now we're playing an extra game.

1166
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: So you heard a lot of people voice that opinion

1167
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: of like, I don't like this because you're making me

1168
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: do more. The vast majority of our membership, the long snapper,

1169
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: the special team's guy, the backups, they were playing in

1170
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: that fourth preseason game and ways, so the spectrum for

1171
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: them is I'm not playing more. I was playing in

1172
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: that preseason game anyways. Now you're gonna make it a

1173
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: regular season game. Fine, the same amount of football for me,

1174
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: and you're giving me a raise minimum salary. Okay, well

1175
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: you're you're paying me more for the same amount of work.

1176
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: So it's really easy just to kind of throw your

1177
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: hands and be like, you guys are stupid for accepting that.

1178
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: You have to understand there are a wide ranging of

1179
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: of opinions and perspectives of what they do and what

1180
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: their priorities are in our membership. Um, So it's not

1181
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: as always as as simple as people make it out

1182
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: to be. It's never that simple. And the minimums have

1183
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: increased substantially and they will continue to increase um. I mean,

1184
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: by just about eight everybody will be making a million.

1185
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: Every rookie that comes into the league will be making

1186
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: at least a million dollars um. Six first year I

1187
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: mean second year players will be making at least a

1188
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: million dollars um. And that's who we're fighting for a

1189
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: lot of times because the majority of our league is

1190
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: on minimum contracts, so we look for a way. It's

1191
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: sixty on minimum salary players, the core players, and that's

1192
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: what we fight for because those are the guys long

1193
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: term who we want to to to leave this game

1194
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: with something. We want to leave this game as financially

1195
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: secure as we possibly can make you. Whether it's player

1196
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: performance you say, hey, I only started for two years

1197
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: and I was a rookie undrafted free agent, Well, player

1198
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: performance shouldn't. Shouldn't make you as old as we can

1199
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: and that will increase over the next couple of years.

1200
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: And so we're always looking for ways to help our

1201
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: core guys in every way we can. We're always open

1202
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: to more ideas and more conversation, but you've got to

1203
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: show up to the meetings to have those conversations and

1204
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: to be a part of them, and to have as

1205
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: strong of an opinion that some of these people do.

1206
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: You have to be there. You know, when you're not

1207
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: there and you're not inputting any information or putting any

1208
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: work in, it's tough to honor the conversations that you

1209
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: have in or the opinions you're having. J C. I

1210
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on. If there's any last thought

1211
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: you want to give, please feel free. Yeah, let me

1212
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: me had one more thing, because you know, we've preached

1213
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: so much in this conversation about unity and coming together

1214
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: and doing things collectively. Um, and I think that's sometimes

1215
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: hard to picture in our business. So I want to

1216
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: give an example of like how it works and what

1217
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: it looks like. And I go back to COVID. You know,

1218
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: obviously you were in those discussions. You were in those

1219
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: fights where we were fighting with the league over how

1220
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: the COVID year was going to go, both financially and

1221
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 1: health and safety. And with COVID, you're not just talking

1222
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: about the health and safety of what we normally do

1223
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: on the field. You're also talking about health and safety

1224
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: of dealing with you know, an unknown pandemic. And we

1225
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: were in those fights four months, having the same fight,

1226
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: bang our head against the wall, asking for the same things.

1227
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: And we were doing these all player calls. We were

1228
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: getting a thousand guys to get on a call to

1229
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: learn what was going on. They were all asking the

1230
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: same thing, like why why don't we have answers? You

1231
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: never have answers, And we finally told them like, if

1232
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: you want answers, we can give you them. We can

1233
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: call Roger right now and say we'll take whatever deal

1234
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: you want to put on the table, but they're gonna

1235
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: be shitty answers. If you want the right answers, we

1236
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: need stuff from you guys to to help us get there.

1237
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: Because it's not just me or Richard or the EC

1238
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: yelling at the owners to do the right thing. We

1239
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: need the leverage to do it. And finally what we

1240
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: saw was the hashtag we want to play. We had

1241
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: over four hundred players voice their opinions of we deserve

1242
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: the protections that we know are right and we're and

1243
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: we're not happy about it. In that same day we

1244
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: got those protections. Um, so we we finally get what

1245
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: we wanted and what we've been asking for four months

1246
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: because we stood together in a group of players made

1247
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: that public stand. So it is possible. We've done it

1248
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: in recent history, and we just need to do it

1249
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: more often. So you're telling me, if we can get

1250
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: two thousand guys to stand together and make a stand,

1251
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: we can probably get a lot of things we want

1252
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: in this next c B A. Yeah, that that's always

1253
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: that in at our core. Like I said to start,

1254
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: we are a union. And I know we talked about

1255
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: having more fans support, even if we had no fan support,

1256
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: if you have two thousand guys standing together, the workers themselves,

1257
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: and that's what we are. And I know sometimes it's

1258
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: easy to describe us as players and go down what

1259
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: I hate of hearing of it's a privilege to play

1260
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. We are workers and that's what

1261
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: we are, just like any other union. And when the

1262
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 1: teachers go on strike, or the nurses go on strike,

1263
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: or the teamsters go on strike, they don't have fans

1264
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: supporting them, right like, it's not like they need that,

1265
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: but they stand together and say, we know what we deserve,

1266
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: and we know what respect looks like to us, and

1267
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: we're not going back to work until we get it.

1268
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: We can get guys to that mindset. It's a totally

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Speaker 1: different discussion, it's totally different negotiations. It's a totally different

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Speaker 1: conversation and all these ideas that people throw out. The

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Speaker 1: world opens up when we get into that aspectrum. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We'll have to do this again

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Speaker 1: sometimes because I'm sure this topic will come up again,

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Speaker 1: but I really appreciate your educated and informed responses. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: Rich again, appreciate you you lending your platform to the discussion.

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Speaker 1: I hope more current informer guys who have podcasts like

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Speaker 1: yourself will open it up as well, because I think

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Speaker 1: it's a valuable, interesting discussion that will be helpful to everybody.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Appreciate your brother. I'll see you soon,

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Speaker 1: all right, Thanks man the volume