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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week three Giants hangout for us. You

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Speaker 1: buy Creststrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Russ Salzburg and the two time Super Bowl champ

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Cassias. Guys, Giant's coming off a week two loss

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Speaker 1: that strikes a very different tone than the Week one loss.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I were to tell you, hey, the

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Speaker 1: Giants are going to score three touchdowns, they're not allowing

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Speaker 1: a single touchdown, you feel like that's a recipe for

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Speaker 1: a win. There were a lot of positives in this game,

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Speaker 1: but there are still a lot of things to build

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Speaker 1: off of us.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, look.

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Speaker 3: To me, and you know it's been beaten into the

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Speaker 3: ground quite frankly, far too many times about you know,

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Speaker 3: no getting hurt. Guy got hurt in the game. It's

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Speaker 3: part of football. Jonathan's played it. That happens each and

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Speaker 3: every week. It's just so happened. And that happened on

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Speaker 3: a first play the game. It was a freak thing.

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Speaker 3: So that happened to me. What surprised me in the game.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, you score three touchdowns, you don't

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Speaker 3: give up a touchdown and you still lose the game.

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Speaker 3: I was really shocked about how much the time of

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Speaker 3: possession that the commanders had. It was like thirty seven

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Speaker 3: minutes to thirty eight minutes to twenty two minutes in

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Speaker 3: their favor. And the run game, I mean, they just

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Speaker 3: were It wasn't just the run game. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Jonathan as a defensive player, I'm sure you could address that.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just the run game.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: The lack of tackling. There was some really poor tackling

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Speaker 3: there the run fits. I mean, you know, as Dabel

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Speaker 3: said right after the game, that's where they need to improve,

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Speaker 3: and he said it the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, and you know I was able to watch it over.

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Speaker 4: You know, look, I think Drew Phillips, Tyler Newman and

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Speaker 4: the young new rookies, I think they've been playing fairly well.

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Speaker 4: But there was a couple of times where the commander's

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Speaker 4: scheme to get on the outside, whether it was single

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Speaker 4: back back well backs in the back, felt they split flow.

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Speaker 4: Whenever you do that, you create single gaps along the front,

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Speaker 4: and if you're a second late or a little bit

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Speaker 4: too tight, you know, you can get exposed. And that's

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Speaker 4: what was happening, you know, last week with the commanders,

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Speaker 4: just one guy maybe a little bit out of position,

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Speaker 4: a little bit late, and Brian Robinson did a great

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Speaker 4: job on getting on the edges and finding those open

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Speaker 4: holes increases, you know, And look.

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Speaker 2: I think the offense, it's last week.

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Speaker 4: You stepped forward, you know, moving the ball down the field,

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Speaker 4: you know, getting it when it needed, you know, basically

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Speaker 4: coming within the drop pass from winning this game offensively,

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Speaker 4: you know, and defensively, I think they took a step backwards.

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Speaker 4: And that's been the basically the recipe for this team

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Speaker 4: for the last two years. You know, these first two

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Speaker 4: weeks and then last year's like you will see signs

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Speaker 4: of improvement in one place and then you'll see a

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Speaker 4: couple of steps back or a step back in another place.

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Speaker 4: So we all talked about complimentary football. The Giants have

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Speaker 4: to figure that out.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing and we touched on it. You

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Speaker 3: touched on it, Daniel Jones. I mean everybody wanted to

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Speaker 3: bury him after week one. The questions were idiotic to him,

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Speaker 3: to dable you're going to make a coaching change after

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Speaker 3: week one. A guy hadn't played in ten months in

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Speaker 3: a real football game. He had to be cold pretty

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Speaker 3: much in that first half because they was the clock

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Speaker 3: domination by the Commanders. But you know, both for you

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Speaker 3: Jonathan and Madeline. With abup fifty left, he takes the ball.

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Speaker 3: I mean he just took him downfield. That was a

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Speaker 3: great drive. He took him downfield. And the whole drive

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Speaker 3: was a minute forty two. And you know what, when

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Speaker 3: you look at the stats on that drive, there was

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Speaker 3: only one third down. What do we always say if

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Speaker 3: you don't make it, if you get good yardage on

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Speaker 3: first and seconds sounds, you're not stuck in that third

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Speaker 3: down situation. The only third down conversion that they made

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Speaker 3: on that entire drive was the one to Neighbors for the.

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Speaker 4: And when we looked at the first week, right the Giants,

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Speaker 4: you know collectively as a whole, it wasn't that great

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Speaker 4: of a performance, you know, losing that badly to the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Who are I mean, I think we all can say

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Speaker 4: after the two weeks in, they might be a little

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Speaker 4: better than we all thought, you know, beating San Francisco

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Speaker 4: last week and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, this is a huge game.

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't the Commanders, it wasn't I don't think

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Speaker 4: it would have been that much emphasis on Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: having to play better. And that's the thing, Russ. He

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Speaker 4: did play better. Matter, he did play better. I saw

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Speaker 4: a different quarterback in week two than I saw in

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Speaker 4: week one. He's back, you know, getting in the right

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Speaker 4: you know process of being back. Because when after the

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Speaker 4: first week happened, nobody really talked about him having that

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Speaker 4: long layoff. They were just talking about how poorly he played.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: But like, I don't know about you guys. When you

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Speaker 4: and you come back, you might be a little rusty

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Speaker 4: at first. That's what happens. And I want to see

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Speaker 4: a little bit more. Because four different receivers catching passes

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Speaker 4: in one game, I don't think that's a recipe for success.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will say too that you know too, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones and the offense credit like they were efficient early.

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Speaker 1: They scored a touchdown on the opening offensive drive of

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Speaker 1: the game. That's the first time the Giants have done

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Speaker 1: that in twenty seven games. That is the longest active

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Speaker 1: streak in the National Football League, coming to an end

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Speaker 1: in Week two, as the Giants were able to score

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Speaker 1: a touchdown in the opening drive, and Brian Dabeles said

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Speaker 1: that the week leading into that game, saying, how do

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Speaker 1: you get this team better? How do you get this

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Speaker 1: team on track? Well, you got to get in the enzone,

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Speaker 1: you got to score touchdowns. The offense was able to

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Speaker 1: do that. The defense, we talked about it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The tackling struggled and to see, as you made a

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Speaker 1: point earlier about the schematic advantage that Washington had with

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Speaker 1: the gaps, structure and all that, but I'm curious too,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of situations where guys had their

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Speaker 1: How do you clean that up going into week three?

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Speaker 4: It's difficult because of the lack of physicality and training camp,

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Speaker 4: you know, so they're not really you know, prepping themselves

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Speaker 4: to tackle people, like the only way to prepare that

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Speaker 4: lack of physicality, right, I agree, And then if you

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Speaker 4: look around the league, there's been a lot of mistackles.

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Speaker 3: It seems we've been talking about this, not this year,

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Speaker 3: not last year, for the last five years. Everything has

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Speaker 3: changed with the new training, the rules and what you

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Speaker 3: to me was shocking, you know, it just was. But

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Speaker 3: you know, let let's be honest about something else. And

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Speaker 3: you know, Jonathan brought it up that you can't do

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Speaker 3: if if this guy did this, if this guy did that,

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Speaker 3: because let let's put it this way. Two of the

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Speaker 3: offensive stars of the game for the Giants. Two of

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Speaker 3: them was both Malik and Motor Okay, Devin Singletary.

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Speaker 2: What happened.

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Speaker 3: Both of them made huge mistakes. Davis couldn't hold on

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody felt worse than Devin Singletary.

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Speaker 1: Right well, and both teams had some big mistakes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Washington had countless penalties in the red zone that backed

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Speaker 1: now you're turning the page to a Week three matchup

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland against the Browns team that yes, beat the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars eighteen thirteen in Week two, but the Browns

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Speaker 1: pressure on quarterback to Sean Watson. I know that Jack

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Speaker 1: and have returned to practice. We'll see how that plays

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Speaker 1: into their availability for the game. But getting pressure on

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Speaker 1: well as, you know, just being able to play a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, always excuse me, always remember this we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, like, for example, the Commander's made mistakes too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you know what doesn't matter who you're playing. If

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Speaker 3: you win the game, your your mistakes are far less

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Speaker 3: the game, as the Giants did, then everything gets dissected

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Speaker 3: all over again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what it really comes down to. And

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Speaker 4: you know this week, you know, watching Deshaun Watson week

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Speaker 4: He's also a quarterback that's been out, you know, because

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Speaker 4: a physical team led by their defense. So this is

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Speaker 4: a game the Giants going into. You know the look

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Speaker 4: try to run the football. They're gonna try to you know,

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Speaker 4: Jerry Judy had a good game last week. Amar Cooper

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Speaker 4: he's known the Giants. He's he's done to some damage

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a tough task to ask for

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Speaker 4: the for the Giants defense. We all understand how good

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Speaker 4: Dexter Lawrence is, but other guys need to play better,

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Speaker 4: need to play well, need to play like we used

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Speaker 4: to seeing them play. Bobby Okake, love him to death,

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Speaker 4: you know, one of my favorite linebackers in the league.

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Speaker 4: And I talked to him, you know, all the time.

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Speaker 4: Whenever I get a chance to interact with him. He

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Speaker 4: has to play better. He has to be more impactful

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Speaker 4: And that's what we've seen from him in the year one.

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Speaker 4: And then also Burns and Thibodeau. They have to have

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Speaker 4: more of an impact every single game. This is the

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Speaker 4: truth of the matter. The two best players on defense

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Speaker 4: is number one, Deck to Lawrence, he's been dominant. Number

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Speaker 4: two Drew Phillips is the second best player on the

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Speaker 4: Giants defense. He showed up both weeks. Yes, he made

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Speaker 4: a couple of mistakes because he's young, but.

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Speaker 1: Did you see you see the fight?

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Speaker 4: And we talked about this on BBKL a couple of times.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about the fights that were happening during

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Speaker 4: training camp where Detroit was at practice. Right I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: Drew Phillips, he kept on getting it am around Saint

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Speaker 4: Brown's face, and look who the guy who's playing at

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Speaker 4: a very high level right now, the same guy that

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Speaker 4: wasn't backing down from one of the best receivers in

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Speaker 4: you have to have football player in this league, and

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Speaker 4: he has that mentality.

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Speaker 1: The National Football League. This isn't called ball. You lose

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, people too, a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Too looking at this schedule saying, hey, these next six

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Speaker 4: See, I've never looked at it like that as a player,

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Speaker 4: I don't know too many guys that has done that

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Speaker 4: This is what we need from every single one of y'all.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm sure that that film they've all seen it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, want to know each week is the goal

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