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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today. Crystal is unfortunately at home, but she

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Speaker 2: will be joining us remote. Don't you worry. She's waiting

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Speaker 2: right there in the wings. There's a big snow day

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Speaker 2: there closing the schools in her area. But of course

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Speaker 2: we've got Ryan and Emily here at the desk, the

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Speaker 2: full Counterpoints crew. We're going to be going over all

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Speaker 2: of the results from the Iowa caucuses. Vivek Ramaswami he's out,

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Speaker 2: he's dropped out of the race. Does he have a future?

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Speaker 2: You can already guess who he's endorsed for president. We

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Speaker 2: will get into some of that New Hampshire. What the

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Speaker 2: hell is going to happen? Is this the best possible

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Speaker 2: result for Donald Trump. Nicki Haley, she came in third

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Speaker 2: now officially a little bit of a plot twist.

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Speaker 3: And then the three of us are going to be

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Speaker 3: going over some of.

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Speaker 2: The Israel updates in terms of Iranian strikes in the region,

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Speaker 2: strategy and retreat. Congressman Rocanna is going to be joining

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk.

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Speaker 2: About the War Powers Resolution, whether those Yemen strikes themselves

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Speaker 2: a couple questions from on UFOs. He's a he's just

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Speaker 3: What can he tell us? We will get into.

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Speaker 2: All of that, but of course we got to start

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Speaker 2: with the Iowa caucuses. Krystal and I brought everybody the

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Speaker 2: And so the question whenever we woke up this morning was, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so who came in second?

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Speaker 3: And I guess we certainly have those results.

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Speaker 2: Let's going to put it up there on the screen

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Speaker 2: as you can all see there the official results now

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Speaker 2: with over ninety five percent of the votes. Now votes

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis coming in at twenty one

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Speaker 3: A disappointing finish, if we could say.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, Donald Trump also was able to give

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to thank everybody. This has been some

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Speaker 5: the great people of Iowa. Thank you, We love you all.

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Speaker 5: I want a turnout, what a crowd, and I really

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Speaker 5: think this is time now for everybody our country to

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Speaker 5: come together. We want to come together, whether it's Republican

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Speaker 5: happen soon too, going to happen. So we congratulate Ron

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Speaker 5: I think they both did very well. We don't even

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Speaker 5: see carry Lake, congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Character I spotted her. I have to.

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Speaker 5: Announce because she's terrific. She's going to be a senator,

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Speaker 3: So Crystal, he said congratulations to Nicki and to Ron

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a classic Trump moment there, right, He

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Speaker 1: He uses his actual name, congratulates them, congratulates for Vake Ramaswami.

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Speaker 1: It's effectively like a little pat on the head. Good job, guys,

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Speaker 7: Nicky Haley won it by one vote.

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Speaker 1: It's the same county, by the way, that Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 7: But that's it this thing is over.

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Speaker 1: You know, he got over fifty percent of the vote.

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Speaker 1: He's made it so that his opponents are probably Ron

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Speaker 1: He's asserted his complete dominance among basically every demographic of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're exactly right, Emily. I want to

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen, just to

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Speaker 2: He's running pluralities amongst men, amongst women, amongst, as Crystal said,

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Speaker 2: That's a message about what the Republican Party is now.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and I think there are a couple of things there. First,

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Speaker 6: Iowa is a place where his opponents spent millions of dollars,

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Speaker 6: still still you had Trump running up these margins. Now

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Speaker 6: New York Times. They said in lower income areas, so

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Speaker 6: they're just actually analyzing the demo, Trump won by forty

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Speaker 6: Trump won by eight point three points. Areas with fewer

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Speaker 6: this is just a routing. It is the Republican voters

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Speaker 6: He's up by double digits over everyone else. Republican voters

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Speaker 3: They do at this point, right, What do you think, Ryan?

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Speaker 8: You know, I saw some liberal commentators referring to it

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Speaker 8: there was almost half of the Republican electorate that voted

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Speaker 8: for somebody other than Donald Trump, and Crystal, I'm curious

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Speaker 8: Maybe he'd be in prison by the time that the

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Speaker 8: you make of the kind of democratic response last night?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I didn't really watch that much of

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Speaker 1: but there is a level of delusion there. They're kind

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Speaker 1: they despise Donald Trump. He is the center of gravity

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Speaker 1: Trump is. But the only metric of where people exist

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's in the Republican Party and it's in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party as well, So on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: little complicated for them. I think the thing that I

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Speaker 1: that existed among these Republican challengers to Donald Trump, who

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Speaker 1: spent the whole campaign squabbling amongst themselves, never really mounted

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Speaker 1: You had this stunning contrast of Ronda Santis romps in

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Speaker 7: So he needed to be a different person. It needed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right, Crystal, just because that

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Speaker 8: See, right, we might as well just get rid of

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Speaker 3: Do it, just doesn't do it anymore. The whole like,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the New York Times, the last couple of

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Speaker 6: And that's in like, look at that DeSantis opposed ban

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Speaker 6: fifteen percent, Haley oppose a national abortion ban thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 6: It doubles, it jumps and doubles, and you get with

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Speaker 6: Trump forty two percent. So Trump and Haley, this is

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Speaker 6: what's super interesting. Trump and Haley have those demos that

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Speaker 6: actually are closer to opposing a nationwide abortion ban, and

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Speaker 6: it's two sides of that coin. Trump brings in the

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Speaker 6: sort of Obama with Trump Russ Bell voters who are

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Speaker 6: white evangelicals in some cases that don't even go to church. Yes,

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Speaker 6: that's another misunderstood thing about why the white evangelical vote.

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Speaker 6: They think these are the people that are in the

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Speaker 6: pews every single week, and it's not necessarily the case,

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Speaker 6: especially in rural areas. People have written a lot of

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Speaker 6: social science about that. But you have these people that

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Speaker 6: might be socially a little bit more liberal but culturally,

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Speaker 6: culturally they're not because they hate political correctness, they hate

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Speaker 6: the media. And Nikki Haley, then, on the other hand,

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Speaker 6: just gets the people who are more socially liberal, and

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Speaker 6: some exit polling found that too people describe themselves as

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Speaker 6: liberal and independent went for Haley and higher numbers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Let me say something about the Gatari really quick, which

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Speaker 1: is that it seems to me that with Row being overturned,

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Speaker 1: abortion has become a central issue in democratic politics in

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Speaker 1: a way that it really wasn't before. I mean not

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Speaker 1: to say voters didn't care on the Democratic side, but

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Speaker 1: it has become a real center of gravity on the

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Speaker 1: Democratic side, and I don't know that it is as

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Speaker 1: much on the Republican side anymore. Because you had Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence and you had Tim Scott, and in a certain

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Speaker 1: extent you had Rond de Sandis, who were really betting

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Speaker 1: in Iowa, a state that is famous for its religious

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Speaker 1: conservatism and for you know, that block of voters really

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Speaker 1: being kingmakers. They really kind of bet the farm, especially

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Speaker 1: Pence and Tim Scott, on being the most pro life candidates,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't even.

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Speaker 7: Make it to the starting line.

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Speaker 1: So I think the centrality of that issue and the

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Speaker 1: strength of that voting block that existed in the past,

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Speaker 1: I think it may just not be there anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's you know, evident in these Iowa results

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Speaker 1: where remember and not only you can attest this better

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Speaker 1: than anyone I know, you were following this closely, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the pro life groups were coming out.

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Speaker 1: They were very upset with Donald Trump. He said something

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Speaker 1: critical about the six week abortion band that DeSantis passing.

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Speaker 7: Effectively, it went too far, it was too much.

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Speaker 1: They were putting out statements demming him, and you know,

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Speaker 1: looking for someone who was going to be more consistently

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Speaker 1: on their side.

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Speaker 7: But clearly that didn't win the day.

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Speaker 6: Super quick thought, because I'm looking at an exit poll

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Speaker 6: right now, fifty one percent of DeSantis voters said abortion

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Speaker 6: was the issue that mattered the most in deciding whom

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Speaker 6: to support today. And that gets to the point that

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Speaker 6: Sager was making that traditionally. And I'm curious what Ryan

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Speaker 6: thinks about this. If you had run the campaign that

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Speaker 6: DeSantis ran, he hired, he put all of his eggs

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Speaker 6: in the Iowa basket. He hired Jeff ro the guy

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Speaker 6: who did it for Ted Cruz. I'm hiring a guy

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Speaker 6: who helped Ted Cruz lose the nomination. That's a really

497
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Speaker 6: reallyiant idea. And because he knew Iowa really well, he

498
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Speaker 6: was all over Iowa, constantly blanketing it, and they thought

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Speaker 6: they had traditionally all of the makings of a great

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Speaker 6: Iowa campaign. This is what you do, textbook Iowa campaign,

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Speaker 6: and it shows up in some of these exit polls.

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Speaker 6: Fifty one percent said abortion. This why they decided to

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Speaker 6: support Dsantis. But doesn't matter anymore because the Trump factor.

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Speaker 8: Because they've always been met pragmatic voters. Yeah, like he

505
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Speaker 8: got it done, He's going to win. Let's let's keep

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Speaker 8: with the guy. But I don't want to linger for

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Speaker 8: one second on that legitimately elected question Hu, because on

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Speaker 8: the way into the studio this morning, I was had

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Speaker 8: NPR on and they had Scott Walker as what does

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Speaker 8: They had Scott Walker and so they had a very

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Speaker 8: long interview with him, and the entire interview was just

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Speaker 8: pressing him about how Trump thinks the election was stolen

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Speaker 8: and isn't that gonna art him? At the very end

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Speaker 8: they said, isn't he an electoral handicap? But otherwise, like

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Speaker 8: the entire interview was just about this question. If you

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Speaker 8: came from outside of the country and we're listening to

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Speaker 8: that interview, you'd have no idea which side of the

518
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Speaker 8: spectrum Trump was on, like what positions he stood for,

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Speaker 8: what he was going to do as president, what people

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Speaker 8: were concerned about.

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Speaker 4: Just about that one question.

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Speaker 8: But I'm the wording of that was interesting, and I'm

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Speaker 8: curious how you guys would answer, because if you're forced

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Speaker 8: to answer this a like Poles, force you to say

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Speaker 8: either yes or no, was Biden legitimately elected? I think

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Speaker 8: if you guys are asked, were more legal votes cast

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Speaker 8: for Biden?

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Speaker 4: Yes? But was he legitimately elected?

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Speaker 8: Given everything I've come to understand about the conservative criticisms

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Speaker 8: of the mail in balloting and the pandemic and what.

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Speaker 6: Did the CIA step in and collude with Facebook and

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Speaker 6: Twitter in October.

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Speaker 4: To fill that stuff?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is an easy one because I as

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Speaker 2: I've understood now, there's an entire media apparatus that has

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Speaker 2: been built to say exactly what you're saying, Emily, which

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Speaker 2: is like, well, yeah, it's not actually Bamboo back, you

538
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Speaker 2: got more votes there were Hunter Biden and Facebook unfair legitimate.

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Speaker 2: I think both of those things are separate questions of.

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Speaker 4: Which I so that's why so many people answer yes

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Speaker 4: to that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure, though, because I bet you if

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Speaker 2: you were to ask, if you were to ask whether

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Speaker 2: Trump Biden won more votes than Trump, I still think.

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Speaker 4: That's the same number.

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Speaker 3: I won't say. I would say it's Marshall, Crystal, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: do you have a last dot?

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Speaker 7: I agree with Zager. I think the all those various like.

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Speaker 1: Sort of like copes around why it's okay to still

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Speaker 1: be a thinking person and say that Biden did not

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Speaker 1: legitimately win. I think those are basically like DC designed fates.

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Speaker 1: And most of the people who are saying no, Biden

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Speaker 1: did not legitimately win, like they believe there was you know,

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Speaker 1: ten thousand mules and bamboo ballots, and that there was

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Speaker 1: out voter broad not like oh, tech companies did things

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Speaker 1: I didn't like.

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Speaker 7: They think that too, but I think the.

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Speaker 1: Vast majority genuinely believes are like overbroad. Last thing that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say is on this metric that we

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Speaker 1: had at before about you know, what would it mean

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Speaker 1: if Trump is criminally if he actually has found guilty,

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Speaker 1: is that a problem? Does that make him unfit for office?

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Speaker 1: And I just I don't put a lot of stock

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Speaker 1: in those metrics because on the one hand, you look

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Speaker 1: you say, oh, well, the overall majority, more than sixty

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Speaker 1: percent say, you know, they'd still vote for me, he's

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Speaker 1: still fit for office. So you might look at that

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Speaker 1: and be like, well, that's terrible. If somebody is, you know,

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Speaker 1: criminally guilty, maybe they should be reconsidering. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: if you look at it from another perspective, you're like, well,

571
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Speaker 1: even a third of Republicans are basically saying no, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be fit for office. I just wouldn't put a

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Speaker 1: lot of stock in any of those metrics because I

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Speaker 1: think people are very bad at predicting what they might

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Speaker 1: do if some future event is too unfold. So I

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Speaker 1: just I'm very skeptical of any of those numbers.

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Speaker 7: You know, whatever direction they cut in, I.

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Speaker 3: Could not agree with you more. And I also just

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Speaker 3: want to remind people about who voters are.

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Speaker 2: The CNN as a caucus opened yesterday, Chris I said

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Speaker 2: this to you where a guy was like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Voted for Trump.

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Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty, I was in between NICKI Haley and

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Speaker 2: Revike Ramis Swami.

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Speaker 3: I think I'll go with NICKI. He's like, what what

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Speaker 3: is happening here? And she's like, yeah, you know, she

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Speaker 3: seems nice or something like that. I forget exactly the

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Speaker 3: reason he gave.

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Speaker 4: That's that's how people are.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not even putting the man down.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, he's living his life like that's that's how

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Speaker 2: it goes. But you know, for all the prognostication and

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Speaker 2: crystal as you said, of people's self predicting about how

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Speaker 2: people will vote, who knows. I mean at that point

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Speaker 2: we could go way beyond and it's like, well, what

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Speaker 2: even is it?

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Speaker 3: Emily? As you're talking about what even is a crime?

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Speaker 3: Is it a New York State crime? Is it Georgia crime?

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Speaker 8: If you if you pull people and you ask them

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Speaker 8: if on Saturday night you have four drinks we drive home?

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Speaker 4: But of course not absolutely not. There are people on

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Speaker 4: the road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's right, yeah, bing go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like whenever the time comes and the.

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Speaker 2: Keys are jingling in your pocket, you're like, well, maybe

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Speaker 2: five dollars. I do not endorse this, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking, that's how it happens. Just a

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Speaker 2: few felonies, that's right, let's get now to the second question.

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Speaker 2: This is a This was a big one amongst the

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Speaker 2: Dysantis crew. Crystal Ine talked a little bit about it yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I genuinely don't know what you guys think, so I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to talk with you all. There was a big

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Speaker 2: kerfuffle by the Dysantis team, who were very upset that

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Speaker 2: the media, the Associated Press and all the networks called

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Speaker 2: the race within thirty five minutes of the holes opening. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's be clear though about what happened. To actually enter

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Speaker 2: the Iowa caucaus you had to enter at seven pm

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Speaker 2: Central time, so the doors were closed, no more people

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Speaker 2: can come in, and the phone effect turnout exactly, it

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Speaker 2: cannot affect turnout. But people were still casting ballots inside

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Speaker 2: of the room. People were still giving speeches whenever the

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Speaker 2: AP and all the other networks called the race. So

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Speaker 2: CNN's Jake Tapper, I believe CNN was actually the first

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Speaker 2: media organization to call the race. And even he he

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Speaker 2: was like, look, I'm not used to calling things at

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Speaker 2: this hour. Let's take a listen and then we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about Desanta's reaction. Let's let's take a look.

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Speaker 9: CNN projects that Donald Trump will win the Iowa Caucasus.

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Speaker 9: CNN can make this projection based on his overwhelming lead

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Speaker 9: in our entrance pull of Iowa caucus goers and some

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Speaker 9: initial votes that are coming in the former president pulling

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Speaker 9: off a huge early victory in his bid to return

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Speaker 9: to the White House. Trump easily defeating his top opponents,

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Speaker 9: Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, who are now in a

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Speaker 9: high stakes fight for second place.

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Speaker 4: So, Crystal, what we had there?

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Speaker 3: Les you said?

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Speaker 2: Thirty minutes or so into the election, the Dssanta's campaign

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Speaker 2: immediately put out a statement, Let's put it up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. They say, it is absolutely outrageous that

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Speaker 2: the media would participate in election interference by calling the

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Speaker 2: race before tens of thousands of islands even had.

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Speaker 3: A chance to vote.

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Speaker 2: The media is in the tank for Trump and this

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Speaker 2: is the most egregious example yet. And there were some

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Speaker 2: further comments that he made there on cable news. So Christal, first,

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Speaker 2: I want your reaction. What do you think about the

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Speaker 2: point that they're making of Like, listen, you guys called

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Speaker 2: this race when people are still counting ball. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're not stopping anybody from entering the polls.

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Speaker 3: But the people have their phones.

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Speaker 2: They can look down and see the race called literally

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Speaker 2: before they have even called a vote. What do you

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Speaker 2: think I mean?

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with Ron DeSantis and his team on that. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's two separate questions. Number one, as a matter of principle,

657
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Speaker 1: was it the wrong thing to do to go ahead

658
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Speaker 1: and call this race when there were still people who

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Speaker 1: hadn't even started causing yet. Yes, they were in the

660
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Speaker 1: but they had not been able to cast their votes yet. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think as a matter of principle, that was the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing to do because you could imagine, Look, it's

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Speaker 1: not fun being out there listen to like the ASA

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson representative give their spiel on why the Arkansas governor

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Speaker 1: should be the next president the United States.

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Speaker 7: You're like, I gotta get home.

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Speaker 1: It's cole out there, Like my kids are with my

668
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Speaker 1: neighbor or whatever.

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Speaker 7: You get the message on your phone. Trump one. You're

670
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Speaker 7: a Desanta support, You're like, what am I even doing here?

671
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Speaker 7: At this point?

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Speaker 1: Like it's over, I'm getting out of here. So I

673
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Speaker 1: do think, as a matter of principle, it's wrong. I

674
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Speaker 1: do think it interferes with the election. Do I think

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Speaker 1: it paid any sort of measurable difference in terms of

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Speaker 1: these numbers. No, And in fact, actually the later counties

677
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Speaker 1: that came in were a little better for Ron DeSantis

678
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Speaker 1: than they were for Nicki Haley because early in the

679
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Speaker 1: night Nikki looked like she was going to get second.

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Speaker 7: Then more votes came in for Ron. He ends up

681
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Speaker 7: getting second.

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Speaker 1: So I doubt that it really had a big impact,

683
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Speaker 1: especially given the margins that we're talking about here. But yeah,

684
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Speaker 1: as a matter of principle, I don't think it.

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Speaker 7: Was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair. Emily. What's your reaction. What do

687
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Speaker 3: you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's against their own policies as far

689
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Speaker 6: we have the policy.

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Speaker 3: If we want to put it up there on the screen, please.

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Speaker 3: This is according to the Associated.

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Speaker 2: Press, and again we can actually kind of dig into

693
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Speaker 2: what it means. Their policies do not call the winner

694
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Speaker 2: of a race before all the polls are scheduled to close. Now, again,

695
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Speaker 2: the difference here is that the polls were technically closed,

696
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Speaker 2: but people were still voting tonight, APCNN and etc. Called

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Speaker 2: the race after the caucus doors closed, but before all

698
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Speaker 2: votes for cast. People could see on their phones that

699
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Speaker 2: Trump had won before voting.

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Speaker 3: So with that in mind, Emily, what do you think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean, I think that's a policy that's

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Speaker 6: written not for caucuses because it's like literally the one

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Speaker 6: caucus that everyone cares about in the entire caucus. I

704
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Speaker 6: think it is. But either way, it's I mean, this

705
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Speaker 6: is like there aren't that many caucuses, so it makes

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Speaker 6: sense that their policy word isn't tailored towards a caucus.

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Speaker 6: But all that to say, I think also the Desants

708
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Speaker 6: team is using this as a major cope, and I'm

709
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Speaker 6: not sure that's super helpful for them at this point

710
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Speaker 6: because and they probably know that internally something that really

711
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Speaker 6: scares me is as valid as I think their concerns

712
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Speaker 6: are in this case. You know, people are on their

713
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 6: phone said it's going to affect the way people see things.

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Speaker 6: Ron DeSantis ended at twenty one percent of the vote,

715
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Speaker 6: think Nikka Hayley was down at nineteen percent. I doubt

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Speaker 6: that it had any significant effect on the turnout. Crystal

717
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Speaker 6: just had a really helpful point on that. At the

718
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Speaker 6: same time, the Desanta's campaign immediately used the words election interference,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's really cynical and scary, because when

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Speaker 6: you start to get into and listen. This is downstream

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Speaker 6: of Donald Trump. But this is downstream of not just

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Speaker 6: January sixth, but all of the rhetoric that Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: used after he lost the election. And I'm one of

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Speaker 6: those people that thinks there was a lot of funny

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Speaker 6: business going on, not with ballots but with the intelligence

726
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Speaker 6: community and other places. Who knows what it would have done.

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Speaker 6: But even all that said, election interference because people call

728
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Speaker 6: the race that you were going to lose by double

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Speaker 6: digits and did lose by double digits, jumping to election interference.

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Speaker 6: I think the fact that that happened so quickly from

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Speaker 6: and naturally from the Dysantas campaign. That's a phrase that

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Speaker 6: used to mean something significant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point and be in the rhetoric.

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Speaker 6: Well, and we've lost sort of a consensus on what

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Speaker 6: that means. And that's really banana Republic territory.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know I can split the difference where I just

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Speaker 2: have trouble taking their concerns seriously because I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna lose by thirty points. I mean, sure, it's

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Speaker 2: marginal at the same Yeah, look, I don't want anyone

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Speaker 2: to be disenfranchised, like you still won by I mean,

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Speaker 2: you still got second, as Chrystal said, like people did

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Speaker 2: come out. Now are we talking about a marginal difference

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Speaker 2: of how many votes?

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Speaker 3: Fifty to one hundred depending on the It.

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Speaker 6: Was very close to the polling, the results were very exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, you know, how much of an

748
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Speaker 2: impact did this really have? That said, I mean, we

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Speaker 2: can't all remember remember when Fox News called Arizona what

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Speaker 2: like the day of the election, and not everybody else

751
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Speaker 2: called it for another week. I think in retrospect we

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Speaker 2: could say they called it too early. They ended up

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Speaker 2: getting right the right call. Yeah, but they you know,

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Speaker 2: they called it way too early, like I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think six days before everybody else, and they're genuinely were

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Speaker 2: still ballots to be cast, and that's something that Tuesday

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Speaker 2: the Trump people are sorry, yeah, ballast to be counted.

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Speaker 2: To this day that Trump people will not shut up

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Speaker 2: about Fox News called Arizona. So almost to a certain point,

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Speaker 2: this is uh. I wouldn't call it even like election

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Speaker 2: interference per se, but media org should think.

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Speaker 3: About it whenever they're making a call.

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Speaker 8: So what do you think Ryan, the principals, I think

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Speaker 8: Crystal's right on the principle.

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Speaker 4: They should change their policy. They should make sure that.

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Speaker 8: They don't announce anything until the Coxes are closed. The

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Speaker 8: only only thing I'd say, though, to Ronda Santis's complaint,

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Speaker 8: every single caucus goer who walked into a gym anywhere

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Speaker 8: in Iowa knew ahead of time.

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Speaker 4: Trump was gonna win. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 8: So they got a breaking news alert that Trump had won.

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Speaker 8: They knew already, right it was. It was a fight

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Speaker 8: for second.

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Speaker 2: Place, and they were already in there, they could even see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is you have to stand go ahead, Crystal.

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Speaker 7: I disagree. I disagree.

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Speaker 1: I think you underestimate the level of delusion that people

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Speaker 1: can have. I mean, there were like supporters on Twitter

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Speaker 1: yesterday who thought he was going to come from behind,

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Speaker 1: the polls were underestimating him and whatever. Sure, so right,

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Speaker 1: I only you can get in the voter's heads and

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Speaker 1: say they knew going in.

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Speaker 7: And we have to think.

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Speaker 1: The reason it matters to talk about the principle and

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Speaker 1: rather than you know, did it affect this particular outcome

786
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Speaker 1: is because if this is now the standard that they

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Speaker 1: can call it the minute that they think they know

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Speaker 1: even before the votes are cast. Well, there are going

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Speaker 1: to be other Iowa caucuses in the future, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to have the same incentive to be you know,

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Speaker 1: the first out with their calls that media organizations always have.

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Speaker 1: And so maybe it didn't make the difference here, but

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Speaker 1: it could in the future. And let me also make

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Speaker 1: the case sort of against what I just said earlier

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Speaker 1: about I don't think it really mattered. Donald Trump barely

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Speaker 1: got over fifty percent, and that was an important metric

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Speaker 1: for him.

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Speaker 7: He wanted to be over fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: That enables him to say, listen, even if every other candidate,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if there was one other candidate and

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Speaker 1: all the other voters consolidated on their side, I still

802
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Speaker 1: would have won. So it is possible that that early

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Speaker 1: call enables him to meet that fifty one percent threshold

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Speaker 1: that gives him that, you know, that additional strength going

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Speaker 1: into New Hampshire and beyond. So that's why principles matter.

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Speaker 1: It's not because you can predict did it make a

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Speaker 1: difference here or there or wherever. It's Okay, well, if

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the standard going forward, what

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Speaker 1: do we want that standard to be? And I think

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Speaker 1: that this was the wrong precedent to set.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a fantastic point, Crystal, because as

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Speaker 2: we all saw during the Buddhage edge like madness to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, like, it was a genuine question of like, well,

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Speaker 2: what the hell do you say?

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Speaker 4: We still don't know. Yeah, it's right, we still actually

816
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Speaker 4: don't really.

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Speaker 3: Out claim victory.

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Speaker 2: And then we all just move past I believe if

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Speaker 2: we go and we look, some media orgs did eventually

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Speaker 2: call it for him, but of course that is contested,

821
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Speaker 2: and then that raises the question too, Ran, you probably

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Speaker 2: have more insight into this than I do.

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Speaker 4: How are they able to call a vote?

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Speaker 2: Is it just based on their elect like their exit polls,

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Speaker 2: plus their initial stuff that they feed into a computer.

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Speaker 2: And this is where it's a genuine question of like, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: well who designs an audits these models? I mean, like

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Speaker 2: what is the actual econometric software whatever that's being.

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Speaker 4: Used on this one?

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Speaker 8: They matched they matched polling, yeah, in the weeks ahead

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Speaker 8: with entrance polling. So they had people at a bunch

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Speaker 8: of caucuses asking people on the way in, who are

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Speaker 8: you going to caucus for?

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Speaker 4: Trump? Trump? Trump? They sent that into the central.

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Speaker 8: Headquarters and they're like, all right, we got eight precincts here,

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Speaker 8: eight caucus sits here, every single one of them is

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Speaker 8: like fifty percent plus for Trump. That matches the polling.

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Speaker 8: Boom we're calling this when it comes to a primary.

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Speaker 8: If they have the polling and it's like up by

840
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Speaker 8: fifty points, it's Oklahoma. Like the second polls closed, they

841
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Speaker 8: call it without him waiting for a single precinct. If

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Speaker 8: it's like a twenty thirty point margin, they'll wait for

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Speaker 8: a couple precincts, And as long as the precincts that

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Speaker 8: are coming in match the polling, they're like, all right,

845
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Speaker 8: call it.

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Speaker 4: The only other question I'd wonder.

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Speaker 8: About the like the VVA people who are like certain

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Speaker 8: he's going to win. Why are they less certain just

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Speaker 8: because the AP has called it? Who's the AP to them?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, and that's the problem is that they're

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Speaker 2: both like the media doesn't matter, and they're like, the

853
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Speaker 2: media is the only.

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Speaker 4: Thing that matters. Well, well, you don't believe that. You

855
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Speaker 4: gotta pick one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, yeah, I mean I think I'm

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Speaker 2: coming around to it. At first, I was a little

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Speaker 2: bit dismissive, but the more we talk at out the

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Speaker 2: implications like look, as Crystal said, forty nine to fifty

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Speaker 2: one actually is a big.

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Speaker 3: Difference because we're all, what is the first thing? I said?

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Speaker 2: One fifty percent? So you know, clearly it could maybe

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Speaker 2: it have something back.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about a marginal difference at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, but margins matter. The only county that Nikki

867
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Speaker 2: Haley won is by a single vote. Who knows whether

868
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Speaker 2: that had some sort of impact here, like what if

869
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Speaker 2: she was able to get five more votes.

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Speaker 3: Than Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say a single All of these things

872
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Speaker 2: do have some sort of downstream impact here, and so

873
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: I guess the reason we should all be hopeful is

874
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: we don't want questions going into twenty twenty four as

875
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: we all were, Like Fox News called Arizona that is

876
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: still I, like I said, a wound that is the

877
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: deepest for some of these Trump people, even though you

878
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: know Biden did it Fox, Yeah, yea for Fox legitimately

879
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: stopped watching, Yes, like thousands of people.

880
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: Now you know, there's enough boomers they don't know how

881
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: to change the channel. But that's a whole lot of conversation.

882
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding By the way.

883
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Somebody actually told me that that some of their viewers

884
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: are so old that they don't have to change.

885
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: They won't be able tofect just the least.

886
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 6: There's two separate issues that we were talking about. One

887
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 6: is the principal and the other is whether or not

888
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: this had an effect last night. I think everyone, like

889
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 6: I agree completely on the principal question. Whether or not

890
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: it had an effect last night, I don't know, But

891
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 6: I also think we can all agree that the DeSantis

892
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 6: campaign has none using it as a cope.

893
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, definitely.

894
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: Let me one and one last thing on that part

895
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: of this statement. He said, you know, it's another sign

896
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: the media is in the tank for Donald Trump, which

897
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I think is kind of hilarious. And no, the media

898
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: is not in the tank for Donald Trump. They just

899
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: like to be first out with the call and break

900
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the news and so they have the incentive to do that.

901
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think it's uh sort of

902
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: preposterous to imagine, after all of these years of media

903
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: coverage of Donald Trump that they're quote unquote in the

904
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: tank for him to win.

905
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: That's real.

906
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's sort of some like the vague level

907
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: conspiracy like vote for me to say to support Trump.

908
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Vake Ramaswami making news around midnight last night he is

909
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: officially dropping out of the race after I wouldn't say

910
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: underperforming expectations, but coming in right along with his vote

911
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: total or with his poll totals, which is exactly where

912
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: he didn't want to be, hence the reason why he

913
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: dropped out. He gave a speech last night in Iowa.

914
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what he said.

915
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 10: We are going to suspend this presidential campaign, and this

916
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 10: is going to have to be. There is no path

917
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 10: for me to be the next president absent things that

918
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 10: we don't want to see happen in this country. And

919
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 10: I think that I am very worried for our country.

920
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 10: I think we are skating on thin ice as a nation.

921
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 10: As I've said since the beginning, there are two America

922
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 10: First candidates in this race, and earlier tonight I called

923
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 10: Donald Trump to tell him that I congratulated him on

924
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 10: his victory and now going forward, he will have my

925
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 10: full endorsement for the presidency, and I think.

926
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: We're going to do the right thing for this country.

927
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: He will have my full endorsement.

928
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: He also made the news immediately after coming off the

929
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: stage he will be joining Trump for a rally in

930
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: Iowa or sorry in New Hampshire in the coming days.

931
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: So I don't know. Probably it was inevitable.

932
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: Anyways, he did eventually he did just drop out immediately

933
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: after Iowa, with Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis not pulling that.

934
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: I guess to be fair, they did double his overall

935
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: vote totals. One of the reasons we wanted to do

936
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: this was to actually just spend some time in terms

937
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: of Internet candidacy and what it means. So let's go

938
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: ahead and put this up there on the screen, please,

939
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: just so we can again look at the overall results.

940
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: Fifty one percent for Trump, twenty one point two percent

941
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: for DeSantis, nineteen point one for Haley, seven point seven

942
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: for Vivek Ramaswami, and then I don't know who Ryan

943
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Binkley is, but he got point seven.

944
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: Apparently he's in Iowa business.

945
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 6: It's Ryan's alter. He goes by Ryan Binkley in Iowa.

946
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: There's something to be said here.

947
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: So Vivek Ramaswami got seven point seven, all right, So

948
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: that actually sounds better in my opinion than when you

949
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: look at the.

950
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: Actual total vote total.

951
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: He only got eighty four and forty nine votes in

952
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: the state of Iowa. He did approximately over two hundred

953
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: and fifty events in the state. He visited all ninety

954
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: nine counties in the state. He spent upwards of ten

955
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: to fifteen million dollars I believe of his own money

956
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: in the race. On top of all the money that

957
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: he didn't end up spending, he spent inordinate amounts of

958
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: time on our show, on podcast, Tim Poole's show, all

959
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: of Patrick Bett David, I mean, almost every big YouTube

960
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: show you can imagine.

961
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: He made an appearance.

962
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: He made a policy of saying yes, he got more

963
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: earned media in the internet space than probably any other

964
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: single candidate, and made an effort to reach out to them,

965
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: and let's all be on it. It didn't matter at all.

966
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: That said, amongst the age group. Amongst the age group,

967
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 2: this is the only place where I think I could

968
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: make the counter case. Let's put this up there before

969
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: we get Crystal's reaction. If you take a look here

970
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: at which age group are you. You see that between

971
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: thirty and thirty nine year olds, Vivek is getting twenty

972
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: four percent of that vote, but the drop off from

973
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: forty to forty nine, he gets eight percent. There, from

974
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: fifty to sixty four he gets five. And then from

975
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: sixty five or over, which is the majority of the

976
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: plurality of the people who are voting in here, he

977
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: gets its marginal.

978
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: It's like one or maybe two percent.

979
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: And I think this is a media story more than

980
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: anything I said yesterday. But the fact is is that

981
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: if you're over forty five fifty or so, you're just

982
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: living in a different universe on average, not everybody. We

983
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: have many great septagenarian viewers here breaking points and boomers

984
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: who like to remind me of that whenever I talk

985
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: about boomers.

986
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,959
Speaker 4: But let's be really, I can see our data.

987
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: The vast majority of people who watch our show are,

988
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, somewhere in the millennial generation or in Gen Z.

989
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: And I think, then if you're consume a show like

990
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: this to live your life on Twitter or online, on

991
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: Instagram wherever, for that to be the primary way that

992
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: you get your news as compared to the cable news environment,

993
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: it's obvious to me then why Vivek Ramaswami would not

994
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: do all that well amongst that demo. And then clearly

995
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: that's something I think he really realized in his second

996
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: debate performance where he's like, I know I come off

997
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: a little bit too ambitious, and I know I'm just

998
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: who's this.

999
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: Kid with the funny name and all of that.

1000
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: So to me, you know, the Vik's candidacy is like,

1001
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: you can see it two ways.

1002
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: You can see it hopefully.

1003
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Where you can be literally nobody and just rich and

1004
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: then you can become and win seven point seven percent

1005
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: of the vote in Iowa and outlash people like Mike

1006
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Pence and Tim Scott sitting senators, a former vice president

1007
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: and actually get to this point. Or you can just

1008
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: see it as like look the Internet and all that,

1009
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: we still have a long way to go in terms

1010
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: of like actual real impact on the election.

1011
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 3: So Christal, what's your initial reaction.

1012
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: To all this.

1013
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the media landscape is shifting dramatically, but

1014
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: legacy media, even in the Republican Party is still king.

1015
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: And I think that that transition is even further behind

1016
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party because Democrats have a lot more

1017
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: trust for mainstream press than Republicans do. So, you know,

1018
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: especially when you look at this fact, yes, he did

1019
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: better among young voters, but he still didn't win young voters.

1020
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: So it just shows you how much legacy media still

1021
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: dominates and how much Donald Trump still dominates, you know.

1022
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: With Veg himself, obviously, I'm not surprised that his vote

1023
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: against Trump to support Trump argument didn't win the day.

1024
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: I suspect when he launched his campaign, I suspect he

1025
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: wanted to just like build a national brand, which he

1026
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: did mission accomplished, to have additional media visibility, and to

1027
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: be able to you know, go at a variety of

1028
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: directions for potentially media this direction in the future.

1029
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 7: He accomplished that.

1030
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: I do think that there was probably a moment early

1031
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: on in his campaign when he seemed to be getting

1032
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: traction and right after the first debate, when there was

1033
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: all this interest, in all this focus and attention on him,

1034
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: that he may have actually thought to himself, I think

1035
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: I could actually pull this off. And then when the

1036
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: polls come back after that first debate where he's so

1037
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: aggressive and he's so dominant, and people basically like recoiled

1038
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: from that, where to me, all the air goes on

1039
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: in the Vivak balloon and it's like, all right, if

1040
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: that didn't work for me, like me being my full

1041
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: self and being aggressive and sort of dominating the way

1042
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: that I feel like Trump dominates.

1043
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 7: If that doesn't work out, then.

1044
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: You're kind of back to the how do I make

1045
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: this into a media brand and a media career stuff.

1046
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: How do I make sure that I'm in Trump's good

1047
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: graces at the end of this so that maybe I

1048
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: end up in his cabinet or at least in his

1049
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: favor at the end of the day. So it's a

1050
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: very unsurprising end for him. I fully expected him to

1051
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: drop out after his Iowa performance. But yeah, it is

1052
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: a very clear crystallation and crystallization or DISTI leasure.

1053
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 7: Where the hell I'm trying to say here of the

1054
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 7: fact that if you are just.

1055
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Like the internet candidate, there is a very very low

1056
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: ceiling on your support and how far you're going to

1057
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: get with that.

1058
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, both Andrew Yang and Tilsea Gabbard found that out

1059
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: the hard way back in twenty twenty.

1060
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: What were your thoughts from me?

1061
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 8: He did finish second among what you would call our viewers, like, yeah,

1062
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 8: the YouTube podcast majority of our viewers. But I mean

1063
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 8: he is like, right, yes, exactly, But among the demographic

1064
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 8: of watches forty and under, he finished second. He beat

1065
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 8: the Santas and beat Nikki Haley, and if you compare him,

1066
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 8: he's sort of like a Buddha Judge, a guy who

1067
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 8: came from absolutely nowhere as a funny name, annoys a

1068
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 8: lot of people, but impresses a lot of other people,

1069
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 8: and then Buddha Judge winds up a captain secretary. But

1070
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 8: buddaj just did it through MSNBC, the New York Times

1071
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 8: and that element of the party really loving him, yes,

1072
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 8: whereas whereas Vivek had to go kind of around it here.

1073
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 8: But it shows that there is a path to national relevance.

1074
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 8: I think he's very happy that he ran. Now he's

1075
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 8: going to get to be a Fox commentator or.

1076
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: You know, he's going to get to give speech because

1077
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: he's going to get a job under Trump.

1078
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: What do you think, Emily, I think he's lined himself

1079
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: up pretty well.

1080
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he could get confirmed through the Senate,

1081
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: so I don't think it'd be a cabinet level secretary.

1082
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: But he could work in the White House.

1083
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: Honestly, he could work as a comms aid like whatever

1084
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: Anthony Scaremoutier was supposed to be. I don't think he

1085
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: would want being pressitectory is a terrible.

1086
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1087
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 6: If you're Trump, you bought a woman.

1088
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: Very hot woman.

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Speaker 2: So because he needs to find it pleasing to watch,

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00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: because I mean, let's be honest, it's the vast majority

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00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: of what he does whenever he's president. But what do

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Speaker 2: you think Trump will what do you think Viveke will

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00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: end up as within Trump? He's obviously gonna be a

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00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: big curgate. He's gonna be all over TV defending Trump,

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Speaker 2: I think for the next what nine ten months odd

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Speaker 2: until the election. But do you think he'll get rewarded

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00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: or is Trump going to forgive him, you know, for

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Speaker 2: running against him and having to attack him.

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Speaker 4: That's the question.

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Speaker 6: Well, and this is actually I think one of the

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00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 6: things that's very interesting about Vivic's candidacy. So if you

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Speaker 6: look at these numbers a little bit when we had

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Speaker 6: this graphic on the screen, so Viveke getting seven point

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00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 6: seven percent of the vote in Iowa, you know, it's

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00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 6: sad for someone who went did so many events in Iowa,

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00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 6: truly an eye popping number of events in Iowa, spent

1107
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Speaker 6: a lot of his own money. At the same time,

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00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 6: Asa Hutchinson was a governor of a deep red state.

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Speaker 6: Mike President Mike President, Mike pent was the vice president

1110
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 6: of the United States, and they dropped out because they

1111
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: wouldn't have even gotten around seven percent of the vote.

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Speaker 6: And so yes, I mean, you spend a lot of

1113
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: money to get seven percent of the vote. But when

1114
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 6: you then go into New Hampshire, you see he has

1115
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 6: about he's pulling it around five percent. If all of

1116
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 6: those voters go to Trump, and there's a good argument

1117
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 6: that most of those voters go to Trump, that puts

1118
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 6: Trump around the fifty percent threshold in New Hampshire, a

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00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 6: state that is not super favorable to Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 6: everyone's now talking about Niki Haley potentially winning. She's down

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00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 6: double digits to Trump. So if you take Vivikes five percent,

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00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 6: or if you take his seven percent in Iowa and

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00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 6: you put it on too Donald Trump, you're almost out.

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00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 6: What the national polling looks like, which is a mirror

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Speaker 6: image of what it looked like in twenty sixteen when

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00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 6: you had about I pulled these numbers. Actually last night

1127
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 6: I went to RCP from twenty sixteen. You had about

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00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 6: sixty five percent of voters saying that they would cast

1129
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 6: their ballots against Trump at this point in the race

1130
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. Now you have about sixty five percent

1131
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: of voters, especially if you predict you're shifting Vivek's voters

1132
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 6: over to Trump. You have about the same thing saying

1133
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 6: that they're going to cast their ballots, they would cast

1134
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 6: their ballots for Donald Trump. So I think this is

1135
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 6: where will Viveke get rewarded? Absolutely, and that's why we're

1136
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 6: numb to this. Trump attacked Vivike on Twitter twice in

1137
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 6: the last week. He broke this long spell of not

1138
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 6: saying anything about Viveke attacked him twice on Twitter because

1139
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 6: he wanted to probably get over that fifty percent threshold.

1140
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 6: He was saying, a vote for you know, Viveke is

1141
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 6: not a vote for Trump, et cetera, et cetera. That

1142
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 6: is then he pivots on election night and embraces Viveke,

1143
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 6: goes to New Hampshire, is now doing event with Viveke.

1144
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 6: Why is all of that, because at the end of

1145
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 6: the day, the Vike was a great surrogate for Donald Trump.

1146
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

1147
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 6: He was a great surrogate for Donald Trump. He said

1148
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 6: he's the most he was the best president of his lifetime.

1149
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing we do want to spend time on

1150
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: is just there was I think out of any candidate,

1151
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: this is what all online and maybe this speaks through

1152
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: my age, you know, in terms of the people that

1153
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: I follow and consume.

1154
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 6: To say just one young voters in Iowa.

1155
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: But that's a great point. Yes, that's I should I

1156
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: think that was amongst seventeen, seventeen to twenty nine, right,

1157
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: so seventeen.

1158
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: To twenty nine year old voters.

1159
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: One thing we should flag and this is a crystal

1160
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: and I it's why we pulled this video is there

1161
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: was an attempt to buy Vivake to actually kind of

1162
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: lean into this MAGA influencer, like he had Candice Owens

1163
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: with him that was on the road, and something they

1164
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: kept telling us is like watch out, guys, he's going

1165
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: to massively overperform because he's done the work. Doing the

1166
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: work is the most important thing. We have a video

1167
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: here from one of his campaign events where they're like,

1168
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: look at this packed house Candace Owns and Vivike RAMASLAMI

1169
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: didn't end up mattering all that much for the final

1170
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: vote totals, so as we could see you and put

1171
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: it up there on screen they say packed house for real,

1172
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: candas o of a Bake Ramaswami in Cedar.

1173
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 4: Rapids, Iowa.

1174
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: If you believe the polls showing Nicki Haley is the

1175
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: one show surging in Iowa, you are not operating in reality.

1176
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: This surge is with America first, as you could see

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00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 2: in a hotel conference room. This is you know, I mean,

1178
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: I will say it is sad because one of the

1179
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: in general, there was always this barometer of like, crowd

1180
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: sizes do matter, and you know, there is an element

1181
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: sometimes to things that you can miss from energy on

1182
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: the ground and surging and all that. But to a

1183
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: certain extent, the retail politics, just to reiterate, did not

1184
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: end up really mattering at all in this race, and

1185
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: in fact, there was generally an inverse relationship to Santas

1186
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: and Nikki Haley did roughly, you know, the same amount

1187
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: of events, they both spent an equal ton of money,

1188
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: didn't end up mattering. Trump barely set foot in like

1189
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: ten counties in Iowa. He only even arrived in Iowa

1190
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: for the caucus like the night before, and then he

1191
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: flew out immediately after he won. So anyway, I think

1192
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: there is a cautionary internet to tail here. Christal, if

1193
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: you have any last thoughts on this or any of

1194
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: you guys. Chrystal, you first, I do.

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00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I just want to say, going back to something that

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00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: Emily said, the person I'm actually most fascinated by at

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00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: this point is Asa Hutchins.

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Speaker 7: I'm not even kidding this man. Think about this.

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Speaker 1: You were a governor of a state, like you were

1200
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: an important person. You got elected, you know, you got

1201
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: to go to these meetings with all these people, and

1202
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: now you're barely beating Chris christ who's not even on

1203
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the ballot anymore. Like, I genuinely want to understand the

1204
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: mentality that leads you not just to get in the

1205
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: race and see, okay, what's going to happen, but to

1206
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: stay in and persist in what you think that you're

1207
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: up to, what your goals are.

1208
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 7: Like I am genuinely fascinated by it.

1209
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: And then the other person that I don't want to

1210
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: let this end without mentioning is Doug Bergram. You did

1211
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: drop out and who after really, you know, kind of

1212
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: trashing Trump and saying he would never hire him, etcetera, etcetera,

1213
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: endorse him for president and was and I went backing

1214
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: him last night, which is both humiliating but also a

1215
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: sign that with Trump. You know, as long as at

1216
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day you say you're right, sir,

1217
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're the best, you're the greatest, I'm here

1218
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: for you, et cetera, all can be forgiven. So you know,

1219
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: he was there last night and Trump made an interesting

1220
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: comment about Doug Burgham. He was like, he's so solid.

1221
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't attract any controversy, and sometimes you need some

1222
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: controversy to be able to catch on. And I was like,

1223
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: that is actually an incredible window the way that Trump

1224
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: thinks about politics.

1225
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely accurate.

1226
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 8: Final thoughts, guys, wasn't Asa Hutchinson just basically like a

1227
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 8: messaging campaign for country club Republican.

1228
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even call a country club. I don't know

1229
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: what the hell it was.

1230
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: If people want to watch Crystal and I interviewed him,

1231
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't remember.

1232
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 6: You guys did what it was?

1233
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: It was?

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00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: Actually I actually kind of enjoyed it. I thought he

1235
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: was a nice man.

1236
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 4: Yes, I like talking.

1237
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 7: He's a very nice man.

1238
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 6: Terrible, it's terrible on drug He's like a da if

1239
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 6: you go into like the Cold War trafficking star.

1240
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, he's the good friend. Terrible. Now all

1241
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: vote Fred.

1242
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm putting putting aside all his policy I don't agree

1243
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: with any of these people basically on policies, very rarely,

1244
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: so putting all of that aside, he seems like a

1245
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: perfectly nice, normal, lovely man. We gave him a tough

1246
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: interview because that's what you know, that's what we do,

1247
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: especially with something that's wanting someone that's running for president.

1248
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just can't really wrap my head around

1249
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: the calculation that's going on there, and I'm genuinely fascinated

1250
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: by it.

1251
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. I don't know if he's going to

1252
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: drop out or not. I don't know if anybody really cares.

1253
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: He can't raise money, that's yeah, so we'll say. I mean,

1254
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: I think he's personally wealthy. That's kind of the vibe

1255
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: I got whenever he was in here. Not as personally

1256
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 2: wealthy as billionaire bug Doug Bergham. But that's a whole

1257
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: other story. Let's go to New Hampshire. This is the

1258
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: final electoral block that we're going to do here, just

1259
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: in terms of some of our predictions what we think

1260
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: is going to shake out. So let's go put the

1261
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: RCP average up there on the screen. This is where

1262
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: things stand as of right now. So Donald Trump currently

1263
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: forty three point five percent, Nikki Haley twenty nine point three.

1264
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: Chris Christy Obviously you could discount that he's been dropped

1265
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: out eleven point three. Desanti's was six point five in

1266
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: Vake Ramaswami at five. So if a vakes five, I

1267
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: think we would probably safely say either going to peter

1268
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: out or majority of those going to go over to Trump.

1269
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Chris Christy, who the hell knows? I mean, the question

1270
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: here is, and this is I put this out last night,

1271
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: but I really do believe it is that I think

1272
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: this outcome Crystal was the best possible one for Trump.

1273
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: DeSantis has no path to victory in New Hampshire.

1274
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Nikki did so.

1275
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: Her coming in third and not having the number two

1276
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: narrative that she needed and wanted coming out of Iowa

1277
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: is the only thing that could have put her over

1278
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: the edge in New Hampshire and made that a contested race.

1279
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: DeSantis has no chance of winning New Hampshire, and now

1280
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: they're more likely to equally split the so called Nicki

1281
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: surge in New Now, Listen, of course things can happen.

1282
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: It's only a week away, etc. But you know, this

1283
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: is just my overall like kind of prediction of way

1284
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: things go. This just seems to me more likely that

1285
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: Trump then consolidates that vote for vike Ramaswami voters. The

1286
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: Chris Christie voter is so anti Trump they may not

1287
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: even come out to vote because they just feel discouraged

1288
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: by the results.

1289
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: May would have depressed turnout.

1290
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: You know, majority of people backing Trump anyway, and it

1291
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: just seems like He's going to tie even more of

1292
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: a bow on it post New Hampshire than if Nicki

1293
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: Haley had come in second in this race.

1294
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: I think it would be living in.

1295
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: A different world, only because the media would make it

1296
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: such a big deal that matters a lot to these

1297
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: New Hampshire college educated voters.

1298
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 7: What do you think I agree with all of that.

1299
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: You know, even with Chris Christie dropping out of the

1300
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: race and Nikki getting a good bit of his support,

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Speaker 1: it's not like the polls showed her winning in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: And there is no state in the Union, including her

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Speaker 1: on home state, that is better for Nicki Haley than

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire.

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Speaker 7: So when I look at the Iowa results last.

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Speaker 1: Night, and I see that she wasn't even winning among

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: college educated voters, which is you know, she's a total

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: wine track like Elizabeth Wore kind of a candidate. I

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00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: find it very doubtful that she could pull off a

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Speaker 1: victory even in New Hampshire. And let's be real, even

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Speaker 1: if she did, I don't think it would really matter

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00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 1: because then you go on from there and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: lose everything else. To me, last night's results proved how

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00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: limited her appeal and her support is within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: She has come to be seen and Emily, I'm be

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00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: curious if you agree with this. She has come to

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00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: be seen almost like a Chris Christi anti Trump figure,

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: even though she was much more gentle with Donald Trump

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00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: in terms of her critique. But her favorability rating with

1320
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Republicans has been falling off a cliff. So, you know,

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00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: people who said they were very conservative didn't vote for her.

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00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: People who said they were somewhat conservative didn't vote for her.

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00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: The only groups she did well with were moderates and liberals,

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: which was a tiny sliver of the electorate last night.

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00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, she doesn't have momentum going into New I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Ronda Santis is still hanging around.

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Speaker 7: She needed absolutely.

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01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: Everything to go completely perfectly, plus some things to be

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01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: revealed that weren't being revealed in the polls, and none

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: of that happened. So, you know, to go back to

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: how we started this whole thing with Trump, basically like

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Speaker 1: giving Nikki and giving Ron a little pat on the

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01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: head and but bag as well. That's appropriate because this

1334
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: thing is effectively over. I just barring something totally external

1335
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: to electoral politics, which was that you'd ever know, But

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01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: barring that, yeah, black swan event, barring that, it's it's done,

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: it's a wrap, it's over. Donald Trump is still the

1338
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: man in the Republican Party. If you didn't know that yesterday,

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01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: you definitely know it now.

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Speaker 6: Bo time, What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 6: think if Nikki Haley had had a surprisingly good showing

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Speaker 6: yesterday or Ronda Santis, I mean, honestly, the second place

1343
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 6: was okay for DeSantis, but if either of them had

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,479
Speaker 6: come close to Trump for some reason, they had gotten

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 6: you know, forty percent of the vote, something like that,

1346
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 6: even thirty percent of the vote, they just totally blew

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01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 6: the poles out of the water. And we didn't know,

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 6: you know, if the polling had proven to be pretty

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Speaker 6: inaccurate yesterday, and one of them overperformed the poles. Then,

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Speaker 6: especially Nicki Haley, could have gone into New Hampshire with

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Speaker 6: some momentum. She's now third place and a distant, distant

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01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 6: third place to Trump. She's already down by double digits

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Speaker 6: in New Hampshire. So in the media you're hearing all

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Speaker 6: of this chatter about how Nicky Haley is heading into

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01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 6: New Hampshire with the wind at her back. In fact,

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Speaker 6: people were making that argument in Iowa. They were saying,

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Speaker 6: you know, Nikki Haley didn't put that much money in Iowa.

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 6: She only focused there in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of true, but not really. I mean, she's

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 6: been in Iowa for a while. She wasn't doing exactly

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Speaker 6: what Disants was doing, but she was doing more than Trump.

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Speaker 6: And so if she's going into New Hampshire with the

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Speaker 6: wind at her back and is down double digits and

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Speaker 6: just came in a distant third, this race is over.

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Speaker 6: Barring a black Swan event, this race is over, and

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 6: Nikki Haley is the media's last ditch effort to make

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 6: this narrative appealing and to drive ratings and not sell

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 6: papers because seriously, this race is over. Is a potential

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01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 6: track if she had done well, that they would have

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Speaker 6: done what happened in twenty twenty with Pete and Amy right,

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Speaker 6: that Republican donors would have gotten together behind closed doors

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Speaker 6: and said, listen, she's a she just got thirty five

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01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 6: percent of the vote without you know, really focusing on Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you can't do.

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Speaker 8: It, you can't do it Ryan, Yeah, And it undermines

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 8: this gimmick that Democrats were going to try to pull,

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Speaker 8: where they were going to you know, a bunch of

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 8: Democrats just going to go out and.

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Speaker 4: Vote for Dicky Haley. That's right. I forgot about it

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01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 4: because you can switch, Yeah, you can take whatever valot

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01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: you want. But if if you're a Democrat at this point, like,

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Speaker 4: is that how you're going to spend your evening?

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Speaker 8: Like what's what's your day? Like, what's even the point

1384
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 8: like if you thought there was a path? And I

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 8: disagree with this strategy from Democrats because I think the

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Speaker 8: Halee is more right wing as we talked about that's right,

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01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 8: more pro war, yes, But setting that aside, they genuinely

1388
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 8: like that she speaks in like compolite, complete sentences, and

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 8: like they feel like she's not a threat to democracy

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Speaker 8: and on our right.

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Speaker 4: So if they thought there was a chance.

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Speaker 8: That gaining the New Hampshire primary would give her a

1393
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 8: boost and give her, you know, the jolt that she

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 8: needed to win the Republican nomination, then maybe they go

1395
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 8: enough of them go through with that gimmick.

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Speaker 4: But watching what happened in.

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Speaker 8: Iowa, I don't I don't see how that incentivizes a

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Speaker 8: Democrat to play games.

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Speaker 3: So just to throw something on the fire, it's so,

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01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really understand how she does this.

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: She's put out this morning. We've had five great debates.

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: Unfortunately Trump is ducked all of them. He has nowhere

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: left to hide. The next debate I will do either

1404
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: be Trump or with Joe Biden.

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01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 4: I look forward to it. So she's trying to be like,

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: the race is over.

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Speaker 3: It's me versus Trump.

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Speaker 4: Say the race is over.

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01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: You're not even in this equation.

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Speaker 6: Actually, quote from her last night, she said this, I

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 6: would just made this a two percent race because she's

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Speaker 6: going in New Hampshire and the RCP average she's at

1413
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 6: about twenty two percent in the polls and RCP, DeSantis

1414
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 6: is at eleven percent. Put those two numbers together and

1415
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 6: you're still nowhere near Trump's fifty two percent. So you

1416
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 6: could try to do what Pete and Amy did in

1417
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, and you're still gonna lose, still gonna lose

1418
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 6: because Trump in New Hampshire's at fifty two percent. If

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 6: he takes Ramaswami's three point three, you're putting him at

1420
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 6: something like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm South Carolina. Thank you're Ryan,

1421
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 6: you're reading the screen for me. Okay, So in New Hampshire,

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: Trump's at forty three percent, Haley's at twenty nine point

1423
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 6: three percent. Chris Christie in the polls, was at eleven

1424
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 6: point three percent to Santa's is at six point five percent.

1425
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 6: So if you take Chris Christie's eleven point three percent

1426
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 6: from that RCP average, I don't think all of that

1427
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 6: goes to Haley. I think you probably get half to

1428
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 6: Haley half to DeSantis. So that still puts Haley double

1429
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 6: digits behind Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just so we're all clear, I even have

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 3: South Carolina here in front of me. She's leading. She's

1432
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: losing Trump by thirty points in her own home exactly.

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Speaker 6: That's what I want to say.

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: It's like, what what are we doing here, lady?

1435
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you want to burn some billionaire cash

1436
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: on private jets, be my guest.

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 6: But then you have to go into Super Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in March.

1439
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 6: It was the March fifth, and so again they're down

1440
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 6: like so much in the national point Trump's at over

1441
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 6: sixty percent.

1442
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: Now California, don't forget California's part of Super Tuesday. Now

1443
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: Trump is winning by sixty points. We could probably go

1444
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: on ad nauseium, but the point has probably.

1445
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 4: Been made here.

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01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: Christal, I know you're going to drop off, So any

1447
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: final electoral thoughts before we before we depart.

1448
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to say last thought with

1449
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: regard to Nikki Haley number one, when that Iowa to

1450
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: Wine Register poll came out and it had her in second.

1451
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: But even the polster A Selzer is very well known

1452
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: and sort of respected in this and that's the gold

1453
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: Tenner polling. And by the way, that Pole did come

1454
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: very close to nailing the actual outcome when she made

1455
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: sure to say in the copy, like it is jaw dropping,

1456
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: how little Nikki Haley supporters actually support her, Like how

1457
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: not enthusiastic they are, and was basically saying about her

1458
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: own poll, I don't think that Nikki Haley is going

1459
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: to perform where this is showing her performing. I you know,

1460
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: I really took that to her, which is why to

1461
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: give us pats on the back, Soger.

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01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 7: We're pretty close with our.

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01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: Predicted predictions yesterday, including the ultimate outcome of what was

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: going to happen. I will also say, if you're a

1465
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: Republican and your strategy depends on and getting Democrats to

1466
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: come to the polls for you to vote like, that's

1467
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: not going to work out. And even you know, they

1468
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: talk about this every time, Republicans are going to cross

1469
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: over and cause chaos. Democrats are going to cross over

1470
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 1: and cause chaos. I've never seen it happen in really

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: serious numbers. They could have done it in the Iowa

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Speaker 1: Coccus last night, also when it was still you know,

1473
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: going concerning that potentially they could beat Trump and it

1474
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So NICKI needed for there to be some

1475
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: secret group of voters out there not reflected in the

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 1: polling who really wants to move on from Donald Trump

1477
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: and needed a permission structure to do it. I think

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01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: we can say definitively after last night that group of

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: voters does not exist, and her campaign, whether she does

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: okay in New Hampshire or not, is also effectively over.

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said Crystal, and we appreciate you, Thank you,

1482
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: enjoy your snow day with the kiddos, keep them all safe.

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 4: We'll carry on.

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01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: From here, so we'll see you later, bye guys. At

1485
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: the same time, there's some major news in the internet

1486
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: national sphere. Let's go and put this up there on

1487
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: the screen. Middle East was an absolute chaos yesterday, as

1488
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: rightfully summed up here. There was an attack on a

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01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: US ship by Yemen's Houthis. The US intercepted two attacks

1490
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: in the Red Sea. Israel had strikes in Gaza. There

1491
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: was a stabbing and a car rabbing near Tel Aviv

1492
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: and a terrorist attack. There was an IRGC attack in Iraq,

1493
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: an IRGC attack in Syria, the IRGC being a paramilitary

1494
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: organization under the control of the Iranian Ayatola. And they

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Speaker 2: say even for Middle East, this is beyond the usual instability,

1496
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: which I think is actually a pretty good way of

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: putting it.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the first part.

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01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen, the Houthi

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Speaker 2: rebels struck a US flagged ship off of the coast

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01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: of Yemen in the Gulf of Aden that was directly

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: actor the strikes by the Biden administration on Houthi infrastructure. Sentcom,

1503
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: which is the US military command in charge of the region,

1504
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: elaborated a little bit on this. If we can go

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01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: to the next one, and they say that the Iranian

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: fact who the militants fired an anti ship ballistic missile

1507
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: from who the controlled areas of Yemen and struck the

1508
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: Gibraltar Eagle, a Marshall Islands flagged US owned and operated

1509
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: container ship. The ship reported no injuries or significant damage.

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 2: But ryan to me, the big headline out of that

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Speaker 2: is they still attacked US flagship after they attacked the

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Speaker 2: US Navy ship with the you know, pretty significant military technology.

1513
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 4: That's a signal.

1514
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: And it's a signal too because this is to my knowledge,

1515
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: one of the first US flag or at least US

1516
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: owned and operated ships that's actually come under attack, not

1517
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: some Panamanian vessel or an Israeli vessel like they had

1518
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: previously gone after. So what's your initial reaction and the.

1519
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 8: Who thise, who really are that de facto though not

1520
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 8: legally recognized government Yemen have said that they are going

1521
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 8: to continue this blockade until Israel stops. That's a bombing

1522
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 8: campaign and its incursion into Gaza like that. Those are

1523
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 8: the conditions that they have put out. US responded by

1524
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 8: bombing Yemen. In response, I saw somebody, and I think

1525
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,839
Speaker 8: we have this element, later saying, I guess the hoothies

1526
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 8: haven't gotten the message.

1527
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 4: The hoolies have gotten the message, like Yemen has gotten

1528
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 4: the message.

1529
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 3: Even next we can put it up there.

1530
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 4: People want the United States. That's Admiral Straritis.

1531
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: Just everybody knows who's actually the former commander commander of

1532
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: NATO forces. He says that the good news is that

1533
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: no one was injured in this attack by the who

1534
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: these The bad news is they probably have not gotten

1535
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: the message to see some desist, probably going to require

1536
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: additional military strikes to discourage them.

1537
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 4: I never thought of that, yeah, more cow bell.

1538
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 8: So the Obama administration spent most of its time drone

1539
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 8: striking Yemen. Yes, for years after the war broke out,

1540
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 8: the US gave every weapon that the United Arab Emirates

1541
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 8: or Saudi could ask for in their war against the

1542
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 8: hoo Thies that lasted about seven years. Basically they've been

1543
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 8: bombing them for years and years and years and years.

1544
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 8: The Hoothies have only gotten stronger and the Whothias have

1545
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 8: their own kind of regional and also domestic interests at

1546
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 8: play here. Some people portray this like what do you

1547
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 8: guys think that these are? Like this is good and

1548
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 8: evil and these are the boy scouts? No, like there

1549
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 8: they have had you know, a couple uh, you know,

1550
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 8: more than a year of cessation of hostilities right with

1551
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 8: the Saudis, which has meant that they have had to govern,

1552
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 8: and governing is is much easier sometimes when you're when

1553
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,839
Speaker 8: you have kind of the civilian population behind you involved

1554
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 8: in some type of external conflict. So it actually helps

1555
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 8: them domestically, helps them regionally if you like. The polls

1556
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 8: around the entire Middle East show the who these are

1557
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 8: now like by far the most popular you know force

1558
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 8: in the in the area. So yeah, are a few

1559
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 8: more military struture in the US and they're not going

1560
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 8: to get the message they understand what we want.

1561
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: What concerns me Emily is that the story this comes

1562
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: after the tragic incident involving navy seals that we are

1563
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: getting actually some more detail curioustory reaction just literally came

1564
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: out this morning. It appears the US military is finally

1565
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: confirmed that there were Iranian warheads that were on route

1566
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: to Yemen and American military personnel, including US Navy seals,

1567
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: boarded in a shipboarding mission off the coast of Somalia

1568
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: last week, sought to disrupt that weapons resupply of Yemen,

1569
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: of which was specifically then being used in this war.

1570
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: Crystal and I have described this as kind of the

1571
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: first actual US I want to I don't want to

1572
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: say casualties out of respect to the families. These guys,

1573
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: you know, remain missing lost its scene now for three

1574
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: full days.

1575
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 8: When the Ikraine posted on his Facebook last night if

1576
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 8: you saw this, No, I didn't rest in peace, brothers,

1577
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 8: and he's a former Navy seal himself, member member of Congress.

1578
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: They have not they have not confirmed, but well we'll

1579
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: let the Pentagon speak to what the official The case.

1580
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,919
Speaker 4: Sources I'm hearing is that everyone in that world understands

1581
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 4: them too.

1582
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: It's very sad, you know.

1583
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: So anyway, we've got two US Navy seals officially missing

1584
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 2: in action at sea right now, currently involved in this

1585
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 2: in this mission. John Kirby sopp at distance if he

1586
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 2: said this has nothing to do with the strikes in Yemen,

1587
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: even though they were literally involved, you know, here in Yemen.

1588
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: So this could be you know, kind of a jump

1589
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: off point for at least for the US p Like

1590
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: anytime to US Navy seals end up missing in some

1591
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: sort of daring raid in the middle. From what I'm

1592
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: reading here, we're talking about boarding like some unstable dow

1593
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of warheads.

1594
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: And all this other stuff on it.

1595
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: Obviously they trained for this all the time, but it's

1596
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: recognized as an extraordinarily risky mission. Do you think this

1597
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: could raise you know, possibly like anti war energy because

1598
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 2: this is one of those where it's really the first

1599
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: time not only in terms of military action on Yemen,

1600
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: but now we've got US military personnel service members actually

1601
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: directly involved in combat here.

1602
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 6: This might seem like a weird word to use. I

1603
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 6: find it creepy though how little media coverage there. I

1604
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 6: totally agree these casual Yes, I mean, is it is

1605
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 6: creepy how serious and substantive of an issue it is,

1606
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 6: and how quiet the media has been about what happened.

1607
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying they should be out there banging

1608
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 6: the war drums, but I think actually we're starting to

1609
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 6: feel an echo of how the Biden administration has prosecuted

1610
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 6: the war in Ukraine in the Middle East, which is

1611
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 6: that publicly and then they're posturing they're all in Ukraine.

1612
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 6: Is the battle for civilization is the most important thing

1613
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 6: in the world. And you know, you have a lot

1614
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 6: of sentiment in United States that doesn't reflect that. And

1615
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 6: so what they try to do is just sort of

1616
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 6: slow walk the war. So they'll give you, you know,

1617
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 6: the weapons, but they'll really hem and haul about it,

1618
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 6: and they'll pretend that this is a giant sacrifice for

1619
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 6: the Biden administration. Oh we went to the mat we

1620
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 6: got you more weapons. And then in the Middle East.

1621
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 6: You know, this is from doctor Parsi. Trae to Parsi,

1622
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 6: he says, all the Hoothies need to do is try

1623
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 6: that is enough to sustain a de fact of shipping blockade.

1624
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 6: Western commercial vessels will simply not risk moving their ships

1625
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 6: of those waters, not in spite of President Joe Biden's

1626
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 6: military strikes, but because of them. And so again, if

1627
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 6: your strategy in the Middle East Is to do these strikes,

1628
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 6: and we all know that the Houthis, to Ryan's point,

1629
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 6: have got the message. We don't know that. So what

1630
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 6: are you going to do? Are you going to half asset?

1631
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 6: You're get a full asset. The Biden administration is just

1632
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 6: kind of in between both of those options, trying to

1633
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,440
Speaker 6: bide time until they can, you know, sort of massage

1634
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 6: the public and figure out what they're doing. In Ukraine.

1635
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 6: They've been doing this literally for years now.

1636
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is very dangerous.

1637
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 6: You know.

1638
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: In terms of the Hoothy statement, we have some of

1639
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: this that we can put up there. They say that,

1640
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, their very long and loquacious. I guess is

1641
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: an easy way to say it. The TLDR of this

1642
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: very very long statement is the Yemeny armed forces continue

1643
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: to carry out their military operations and impose the decision

1644
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: to prevent is really navigation in the Arab and Red

1645
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: Sea until the aggression stops in the siege of the

1646
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: Palatinian people in the Gaza strip is lifted. So basically

1647
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: the center of gravity for this cup particular conflict and

1648
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: more is going to be what the hell is going

1649
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: on in Gaza not anywhere else? There is though a

1650
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: bleeding out continuing of the conflict. There was a major

1651
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 2: panic here in Washington just yesterday evening as strikes were

1652
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: being reported in the city of Airbil in Iraqi. Airbil

1653
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: is one of actually the safest cities in Iraq ITTs

1654
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: in the northern part in Kurdistan, and we saw Iranian

1655
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 2: ballistic missiles rain down on the city. Initial reports, Ryan,

1656
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: were that the US consulate was actually targeted. It appears

1657
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: that it is not true. US officials are no confirmed

1658
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: that no US actual facility was targeted, but it appears

1659
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: that it might have actually been a MOSAD facility. So

1660
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: we have some video that we can play here showing

1661
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: some of the strikes. I mean, this is some crazy

1662
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: stuff there, people. I mean it's the middle of the

1663
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: night there, and you could see there were other you know,

1664
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: things coming out of missiles just coming through the sky,

1665
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, flying there and then blowing up right in

1666
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 2: the middle of the city. Some casualties initially reported. Obviously

1667
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: though if it was a spy agency at the Israelis there,

1668
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: they're not exactly going to confirm anything. But what did

1669
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: you make of this, Ryan, Because to me, it's escalatory

1670
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: only in this the Masad place surprisingly very close to

1671
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: the US consulate. People were afraid that the US consulate

1672
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: itself wasn't going to get blown up. But Arabel is

1673
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: not a city at war. I mean, they're not used

1674
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: to ballistic missiles coming from Iran directly acknowledged plopping down

1675
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: in the middle. Imagine if that happened.

1676
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 6: Well, it'sager. We are not a country at war either.

1677
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 6: Keep that in mind.

1678
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, Iraq has recalled its ambassador from Iran, and yeah,

1679
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 8: because they're like, hey, look, I know that this is

1680
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 8: not about us, but yeah, you can't just bomb it.

1681
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 4: Yes, And the way that Parsi and others have said

1682
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 4: it is that going after.

1683
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 8: Let's say, let's say the reports are accurate that it

1684
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 8: was a Massad facility, they know that this is right

1685
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 8: near the US consulate, and the.

1686
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 4: Shockwaves hit, you know, were felt over there like it was.

1687
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 3: They initially thought it was an attempted to strike on

1688
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: the content.

1689
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 4: It was that close, and.

1690
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 8: It's extraordinarily risky because if you're off by a couple

1691
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 8: hundred meters or whatever.

1692
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 4: You know, then you've hit the US consulate.

1693
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

1694
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 8: And so it is, you know, Commani has understood to

1695
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 8: be extraordinarily risk averse.

1696
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1697
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 8: Yet the bombing at Solemani's funeral, coupled with the killing

1698
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 8: of the IRGC general in Syria, coupled with the attacks

1699
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 8: on that you know, Hamas and heads blow leaders route

1700
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 8: have created so much domestic pressure that even even risk

1701
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 8: averse comane is saying the sees that he needs to

1702
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 8: do something aggressive. And so the shot at the Masad

1703
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 8: building so close to the consulate, you know, is a

1704
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 8: ratcheting up when they attacked Syria, that was going after ISIS.

1705
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 8: And the risk a version comes in there too, because

1706
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 8: there's two ways to go after ISIS. Afghanistan, which is

1707
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 8: where you know, probably a lot of the strike was

1708
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,839
Speaker 8: planned from or in Syria.

1709
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: Syria is the more passive way because that's further away.

1710
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 8: You go after Afghanistan, you might unleash a little bit

1711
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 8: more of a response from ISIS or even the Taliban

1712
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 8: that that come in.

1713
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 4: He doesn't want.

1714
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 8: But you've seen the State Department and kind of its

1715
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 8: allies saying, oh boy, looks like it's we're being you know,

1716
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 8: we're getting closer to being drawn into another war.

1717
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 4: As if it's just this passive, gravitational whole thing it's

1718
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 4: like worst of both worlds. This is when they attacked Yemen.

1719
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 8: Everybody could forecast that Iran is then going to respond,

1720
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 8: either through its militias or directly through the IRGC.

1721
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen.

1722
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 8: So this attempt to like de escalate through escalating is

1723
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 8: absurd but also not working.

1724
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: I would put it this way if it was just

1725
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: let's say the who they's out of nowhere, starts shooting

1726
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: at ships, Okay, bomb them, right, But that's not what's

1727
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: happening here.

1728
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: This is about Israel. So it's like, well, we got

1729
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 4: to deal with the situation in Israel.

1730
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 2: Otherwise we're just gonna keep going in some tit for

1731
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: tat and now lo and behold.

1732
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 3: As you know, you put it very well creepy.

1733
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: In terms of the story, It's kind of like when

1734
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 2: those four was it Green Berets got killed in Niger.

1735
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 3: Everyone was like, wait, what the hell is going on

1736
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: in Niger? They're like, what happened here?

1737
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: And then the Pentagon story came out and it was

1738
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: let me say you this bullshit, it was complete bs.

1739
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: The families of those involved continue to press there's video

1740
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: that directly undercuts what they said.

1741
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 6: There.

1742
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: It was a boondoggle of apic proportions that probably goes

1743
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: all the way up to the pedagon for denied air

1744
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: support and all this suther stuff. There's YouTube videos and

1745
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: all that stuff that can go watch about it. I

1746
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 2: suspect something similar is happening here. We don't even get

1747
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 2: the official narrative about guys lost at sea until days later.

1748
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: And then we have to think about the strategic mission.

1749
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: You got a pivoty little dou in the middle of

1750
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: the ocean. They're shipping weapons from Iran to Yemen. This

1751
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: is not something that we ever particularly cared about, like

1752
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: we did you know, yeah, maybe we blockade, et cetera,

1753
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: but you don't put American lives at risk. And then

1754
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, somebody somewhere, probably the White House,

1755
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: green lights and they say, yeah, let's disrupt it a

1756
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 2: little bit. And now what, how do you look these

1757
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 2: people's families in the face and be like, what do

1758
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: they give their lives?

1759
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 6: If they.

1760
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 4: Pray that they were they were they were found.

1761
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: I pray that that said, let's accept reality about where

1762
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: things are right now, and let's you know, just think

1763
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: about that counterfactual in which they may eventually be declared

1764
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: missing or dad.

1765
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: How do you look them at the family and say

1766
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: for what?

1767
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: So that Israel continues this out on Gaza, It's like

1768
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: I thought that, you know, no wars for Israel used

1769
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: to be a meme and now it's reality. It seems

1770
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: to literally be reality anyway, So we wanted to, you know,

1771
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: lay out some of the chaos that's happened in the

1772
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: Middle East there at the same time, turn to Israel

1773
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 2: all eyes there. There's some video actually going viral in

1774
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 2: right wing circles in Israel calling out the government for

1775
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: allegedly retreating. So this is some video that emerged from

1776
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 2: inside of Gaza, and it shows the Golani Brigade, it's

1777
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: kind of a famous military unit inside of the IDF,

1778
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: cheering as they're.

1779
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: Actually leaving Gaza.

1780
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 2: And the interesting part about it is it's a major

1781
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: question about what the actual plans for post war occupation

1782
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: look like, how exactly.

1783
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 3: They're going to spin this inside of the country.

1784
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: So, for example, guys, we can go to the next

1785
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: part already, which is an Israeli news outlet.

1786
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: It's Wynett.

1787
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: We've used them before, excellent news outlet outside of Israel,

1788
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: and their headline here is that the IDF's thirty six

1789
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: Division ends Gaza deployment in a major troop reduction. Military

1790
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: is saying that the division, including the brigade the Golani Brigade,

1791
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: will leave for a period of training before then deciding

1792
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: whether it should resume operating in Gaza.

1793
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: So I'm curious that's what we make of this, Ryan.

1794
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 3: Is it a sign of things going badly or a

1795
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 3: sign of things going well?

1796
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: Is it trying to get the hell out of Dodge

1797
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: so you don't have to get stuck with occupation. You

1798
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: can stick big old Uncle Sam with that job. What

1799
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: did you make of something like this in the context

1800
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 2: of the broader military environment.

1801
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was announced, you know, Israel announced earlier that

1802
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 8: they were going to be withdrawing some some troops so

1803
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 8: that they could be sent back into the Israeli economy

1804
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 8: and others, so that they could train and then potentially return.

1805
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 8: It is a signal that, you know, the ground invasion

1806
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 8: is not going as quickly and smoothly.

1807
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 4: As they would like.

1808
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 8: But it also is a reflection of just the material

1809
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 8: limits to you know, seven million people going at war

1810
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 8: with seven million people, Like if you are Israel you're

1811
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 8: trying to, you know, run an entire economy and country

1812
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 8: which requires a civilian population, and so a mass mobilization

1813
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 8: of hundreds of thousands of people is not sustainable over

1814
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 8: the long term, not even sustainable kind of over the

1815
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 8: medium term. Plus, look look at what has become of

1816
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 8: gaz It's this dystopian kind of uh, you know, just

1817
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 8: miles long piles of rubble.

1818
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 4: If you look at the videos that the Casambragades puts.

1819
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 8: Out, this is the this is the has military place video,

1820
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 8: you can see how difficult an invasion would be. You

1821
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 8: are sitting ducks as you're walking through these areas, whereas

1822
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 8: hamas can go in and out of the different buildings,

1823
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 8: go into their tunnels and out of them. You can

1824
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 8: drop as many two thousand bombs as you want on

1825
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 8: civilian populations. But if it only takes a couple of

1826
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 8: guys with an RPG against the tank or against a

1827
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 8: troop concentration, you're going to be taking losses that are

1828
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 8: unacceptable to the Israeli public and unsustainable to an Israeli

1829
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 8: con We.

1830
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: Found that look Battle of Mosol, Syrian Democratic Forces, Battle

1831
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 2: of what is it whatever their capital was, Fallujah, Almadi.

1832
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean we've spoken, you know, with about this ad

1833
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 2: nauseum in terms of urban combat.

1834
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: You can see every video.

1835
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 4: That isis couldn't take from the Kurds.

1836
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 3: That's I forget exactly and it was.

1837
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 6: And that's the question Fortyahu and the IDEF and the

1838
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 6: Israeli people as we're testing right here, is do you

1839
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 6: want that?

1840
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1841
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 6: And does it make you safer? So it's one thing

1842
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 6: for the United States to do that in Fallujah or Mosul,

1843
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 6: it's another thing for Israel to do that right next door.

1844
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 6: And when you're looking at these videos of Gaza right now,

1845
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 6: and Israel says that they're they're actually not even on

1846
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 6: the same page. They're government's not on the same page

1847
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 6: about what their end goal is in this war. They're

1848
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 6: not on page on the same page with the government

1849
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 6: that they are relying on to prosecute this wark. Joe

1850
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 6: Biden says his end goal is a two state solution,

1851
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 6: not in Yahoo, and the people he relies on in

1852
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 6: his coalition say absolutely not, no two state solution. So

1853
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 6: this is the rubber meeting the road, because do the

1854
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 6: Israeli people think that it makes them safer? And do

1855
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 6: they want to in mass. Does the Israeli, the population

1856
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 6: of Israel in mass do they want to sacrifice as

1857
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 6: many young Israelis as would take to do a full

1858
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,520
Speaker 6: scale invasion of Gaza? And then what does that accomplish?

1859
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 6: What is their consensus about why they sacrificed all of

1860
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 6: those fighters to do a full scale invasion of Gaza.

1861
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 6: The fact of the matter is nobody knows. Nobody can

1862
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 6: get to the same page about what the goal would be.

1863
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 6: Is it to eradicate Hamas? Okay, what is the metric

1864
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 6: for eradicated.

1865
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:26,839
Speaker 3: Rescue the hostages.

1866
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 6: That's a good point.

1867
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: That's a good because this is very important.

1868
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there because there was a news

1869
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: announcement just yesterday that actually three of the Israeli hostages,

1870
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 2: according to Hamas, have been killed by the IDF in

1871
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: air strikes. Now, look, we don't know whether that's true

1872
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: or not. They are shown videos of them previously. You know,

1873
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: whether and how they were killed is going to be

1874
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, unless we eventually their bodies are recovered. The

1875
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 2: only thing I think we could take from this is

1876
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: that at this point we saw a major rally Israel.

1877
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: We played some of the video yesterday for the hostages.

1878
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 2: Hostage are very emotional, very important issue inside Israel. The

1879
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: fact is they haven't saved to single one and that's

1880
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: a problem for them. I mean, I can't imagine.

1881
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 6: Rescued hostages have said that they felt as the Yeah exactly. Yeah.

1882
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, look, when Hamas says it,

1883
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: it's easy to discount it, but when I hear and

1884
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even necessarily, you know, you don't take anything

1885
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: at face value. But when those people have been released

1886
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: are like I literally heard the bombs above my head.

1887
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: You're like, well, that's that's a pretty dicey situation. And

1888
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: to this point, and this kind of gets exactly what

1889
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: you're saying, Emily, put this up there, please. The Defense

1890
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: Minister of the War Cabinet actually stormed out of a

1891
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: meeting with Netsa Yahu. This is something Crystal actually flagged

1892
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 2: for us because the reason why it's hilarious is that

1893
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: he apparently stormed out over some petty issue where he

1894
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: was told his aides could not come in the room.

1895
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: But then Netson Yah who brought like five of his aids.

1896
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: The most classic like bureaucratic situation ever. But it's just

1897
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 2: like when you're fighting like that in the middle of

1898
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: the war and for war cabin near like personality conflicts

1899
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: and all of that come to the fort. Then you're

1900
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 2: not united in a goal, both in the immediate and

1901
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: theish medium and the long term, because they all hate

1902
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: each other and this is just who breeds just general

1903
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: instability in the country.

1904
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 4: And they're they're huge internal rivals. So this, this is

1905
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 4: that bubbling to the surface. Yes, it goes to how.

1906
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 8: Deeply unsustainable all of this is. Obviously Israel's tourism economy.

1907
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 8: It's completely shot in the toilet. The blockade has meant

1908
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 8: that the port of a Lot has basically no ships

1909
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 8: in it, and the civilian populations that we're living down

1910
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 8: in the south and the Negev and in the north

1911
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 8: up by Lemanon are now basically like internal refugees living

1912
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 8: with family friends and found.

1913
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 11: Huge internal displacement in apartments in Israeli am and you

1914
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 11: hear from net Yahoo this is going to go for many,

1915
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 11: many months because Yahoo needs it to continue going because

1916
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 11: politically and legally he faces potential prosecution if if he

1917
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 11: leaves office, and so.

1918
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 8: It's in his interest and his interest only to continue this.

1919
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 8: Everyone else is like is suffering from this.

1920
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean again to your point, he has

1921
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 6: a coalition that he has to keep happy, and so

1922
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 6: they actually it's the opposite for them. You have a

1923
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 6: lot of discontent with hownt Nahu has proceeded in the war,

1924
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 6: but they want him to go harder and further and

1925
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 6: that becomes untenable.

1926
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this final thing I'll mention here.

1927
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: We got the Congressman Rokanna and stand by outside, but

1928
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 2: we wanted to just wrap with this. Unfortunately, there's actually

1929
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: been a terrorist attack inside of Israel just yesterday, kind

1930
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 2: of reinforcing some of the future problems that might await them.

1931
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Put that up there on the screen. A woman who

1932
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: was killed seventeen others were hurt in a suspected car

1933
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 2: ramming attack. This was, you know, two Palestindians who were

1934
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 2: actually from the West Bank arrested in a city about

1935
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: twelve miles or so north of Tel Aviv in the capitol.

1936
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: Don't forget there's a significant Palestinian population inside of Israel.

1937
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 3: What do they think about it? There's a lot, definitely

1938
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 3: a lot of it.

1939
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't say anything, but you know, every once

1940
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 2: in a while, people gonna act out so it's not

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Speaker 2: you know, the things are in more of a powder keg.

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Speaker 2: I think right now, both regionally and inside the country,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to make major decisions about their military strategy.

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Speaker 2: So lots of things that are up in the air.

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Speaker 2: As I said, we got the Congressman Rocanna who is

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Speaker 2: here on standby. We're going to talk to him about Yemen,

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Speaker 2: UFOs and more. Emily, Ryan just want to say thank

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Speaker 2: you guys so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: So it was so fun to do this. I guess

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Speaker 3: we'll see you in a week.

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Speaker 4: After New Hampshire.

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Speaker 6: But you see Counterpoints tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: That's oh, I'm sorry. You'll have a counterfifer.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Counterpoints rate subscribe five stars into your families

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Speaker 2: and your grandma. So Crystal and I are not going

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Speaker 2: to do an AMA this week. We had so much

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Speaker 2: scheduling stuff going on yesterday. Counterpoints will be handling AMA.

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Speaker 2: So for the questions, submit premium questions specifically for Ryan

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Speaker 2: and Emily as you would normally, and they will record

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Speaker 2: it tomorrow and we'll put it out for premium subs.

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Speaker 2: I know some of you guys have been asking that

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Speaker 2: now for quite some time. Next let's get to the

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Speaker 2: congressman now as Congressman Rocanna. Great friend of the show.

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Speaker 3: We are always happy to welcome him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we love it.

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Speaker 12: You know hit like I said with the Capitol Police.

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Speaker 12: In fact, they appreciated my shout out, oh did they?

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Speaker 12: So let's stop the and said, you know we're hearing

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Speaker 12: I have a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of comments in the Capitol Police.

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Speaker 4: But we'll leave.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep it in court today.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all of our viewers. Let's put the tweet

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Speaker 2: that you put out on the screen. This was very important.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to talk with you about it.

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Speaker 2: It came immediately after the President Biden ordered strikes on Yemen.

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Speaker 2: You said, quote, the President needs to come to Congress

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Speaker 2: before launching a strike against Huth. He's in Yemen, involving

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Speaker 2: US in another Middle East conflict. This is Article one

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Speaker 2: of the Constitution. I will stand up for that, regardless

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Speaker 2: of whether a Democrat or Republican.

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Speaker 3: Is in the White House.

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Speaker 2: You clarify that of the War Powers Act, it is

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Speaker 2: clear POTUS may only introduce the US into hostilities after

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Speaker 2: congressional authorization or in a national emergency when the US

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Speaker 2: is under imminent attack. Reporting is not a substitute. This

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Speaker 2: is a retaliatory offensive strike. So Congressman, you know, first

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Speaker 2: of all, why is this important to you? You were

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Speaker 2: one of maybe I want to say, maybe a handful

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Speaker 2: who actually spoke out about this, both Democrat and Republican.

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Speaker 2: But what why are you not buying the explanation of

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Speaker 2: the administration. This is a defensive undercovered under the War

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Speaker 2: Powers Act.

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Speaker 12: Well, this is not a laughing man, It is a

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Speaker 12: serious thing. I mean, you have the world's strongest, most

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Speaker 12: powerful country bombing one of the world's poorest countries. Now,

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Speaker 12: the Hutis are not good at actors. I mean they're

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Speaker 12: obviously disrupting the ships in the Red Sea, and they

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Speaker 12: certainly committed human rights violations in the war in Yemen.

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Speaker 12: And some folks know that I was very very involved

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Speaker 12: in Yemen, yes, and trying to stop that war.

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Speaker 7: But here's the situation.

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Speaker 12: You've had these reports with the administration from early December.

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Speaker 12: They've been going to the UN. The President's been talking

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Speaker 12: to the leaders of Canada, the leaders of Australia, the

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Speaker 12: leaders of Britain.

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Speaker 6: They can't talk to Congress.

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Speaker 12: I mean, this is not some situation where HUTI is

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Speaker 12: firing at some ship and the President saying, Okay, you

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Speaker 12: have a defensive moment, and let's attack Kuti or defend

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Speaker 12: us our. This is a month and a half where

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Speaker 12: they've been making the case, so they need to come

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Speaker 12: to Congress and say why they think that attacking the

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Speaker 12: Huties will actually make the situation better.

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Speaker 6: So far it has it opened up the Red Sea.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and based on a misreading of the War Powers Resolution,

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Speaker 8: you saw a number of commentators pushing back and saying, well, actually,

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Speaker 8: president can do whatever he wants, just as long as

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Speaker 8: he tells Congress within.

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Speaker 4: Forty eight hours.

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Speaker 8: Setting aside the kind of I don't want to elevate

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Speaker 8: community notes to like like a place where we're actually

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Speaker 8: like discussing their opinion as that's merit. But I'm curious

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Speaker 8: inside Congress how fluent are people with the War Powers Resolution.

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Speaker 8: Do they buy that argument or do members of Congress

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Speaker 8: understand Okay, yes, he actually does need congressional authorization to

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Speaker 8: go to war against other countries.

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Speaker 12: I think there's a lot of confusion, And unfortunately the

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Speaker 12: comments were coming from quote unquote experts and pundits and

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Speaker 12: they were saying, oh, it doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Speaker 12: Of course, Bernie Sanders and I are the only two

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Speaker 12: people who've ever passed a Warpowers Resolution Act in the

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Speaker 12: history of the United States. There are a lot of

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Speaker 12: things I may not know about. I do know the

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Speaker 12: war powers, and what they were doing is citing the exception. Yes,

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Speaker 12: there is an exception where you can notify Congress within

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Speaker 12: forty eight hours if it's immin in self defense. If

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Speaker 12: the hoodies were shooting at our ships, President says, no,

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Speaker 12: I've got to have an anti missile strike or take

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Speaker 12: those out. He can come to Congress. He must come

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Speaker 12: to Congress within forty eight hours. That exception doesn't apply

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Speaker 12: when there's not an imminent self defense national emergency. It's

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Speaker 12: hard for me to understand how they're claiming it's imminent

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Speaker 12: national emergency when they're going to the United Nations and

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Speaker 12: making the case when they're talking to international leaders. But

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Speaker 12: it's created this sense of confusion. The funniest thing is

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Speaker 12: the biggest request I was getting is can you text

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Speaker 12: Elon to take community notes off? I was like, just

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Speaker 12: because I've had conversations with Elon, no, I can't text

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Speaker 12: him to intervene in community notes.

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Speaker 2: I would save your text for something far more important.

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Speaker 2: The question I think that it all comes down to

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Speaker 2: is both in terms of law and in terms of strategies.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that they did come to you for authorization,

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Speaker 2: what would you vote have been or what questions would

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Speaker 2: you have had for the administration? We've had just talked

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Speaker 2: about it in our show earlier. Who The's fired on

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Speaker 2: a US owned operated vestival They actually also fired after

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Speaker 2: the strikes on a US Navy vessel.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you make then of the fallout

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 2: And was the Biden administration them grappling with a so

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Speaker 2: called defensive strike that's supposed to be something that is

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Speaker 2: deterrent and yet we've still seen some action afterwards.

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Speaker 12: Before giving them authorization, and I would have been open

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Speaker 12: to what their strategy is. I would have asked, what

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Speaker 12: is the strategy? Why is this going to be different

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Speaker 12: than seven years of bombing that the Saudis undertook with

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Speaker 12: the Yemenies. Have they talked to their golf allies? Have

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Speaker 12: they talked to you a Why is it that there's

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Speaker 12: only one golf country, Bahrain, that is on board with this?

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Speaker 12: And I don't doubt that the Hutis are an not

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Speaker 12: acting in good faith, But is this going to actually

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Speaker 12: make the Red Sea safer? Is it going to actually

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Speaker 12: have our ships not be disrupted because the Hutis just

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Speaker 12: have to have the threat of that, which they've continued

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Speaker 12: for commercial ships to be avoiding the Red Sea. So

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Speaker 12: you've seen the price of oil increase, You've seen the

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Speaker 12: Red Sea continue to be disrupted, and then the question

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Speaker 12: is how long does this continue? And I think none

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Speaker 12: of those questions were asked, and that's why you have

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Speaker 12: now this creep towards escalation, because what are we going

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Speaker 12: to do if Huti continues to threaten?

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Speaker 10: Now?

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Speaker 12: Are we going to back away? And we've not pursued

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Speaker 12: a diplomatic regional solution. I would get the Saudis involved,

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Speaker 12: I would get UAE involved, And of course the elephant

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Speaker 12: in the room is Gaza and what can we do

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Speaker 12: to de escalate there.

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Speaker 3: I did want to get your reaction one second rhyme.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about this morning, but a story

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Speaker 2: about two US Navy seals were missing in the ocean

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Speaker 2: after a daring raid on a vessel that was an

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Speaker 2: Iranian warheads bound Yemen. So this again falls in my card.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about actual US service members what's the authorization here?

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen much outcry reporting. I know you're on

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Speaker 2: the House Armed Services Committee. Have they given you a

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Speaker 2: briefing or any of you monitored the situation because it's

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Speaker 2: very in a very tragic situation. As far as what

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Speaker 2: we know right now, just want to get your reactions,

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Speaker 2: because we learned some more than emails this morning.

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Speaker 12: Well far as all my thoughts are with the families

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Speaker 12: of these two brave Navy seals, I mean, they do

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Speaker 12: extraordinary work for our country, and I hope we start

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Speaker 12: to learn more, but I want to understand exactly what

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Speaker 12: the mission was. I mean, is it interdicting the arms

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Speaker 12: going to the Houtis, which is something that we have

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Speaker 12: done in the past, and maybe the administration strategy could be, well,

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Speaker 12: we want to make sure that the arms aren't getting

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Speaker 12: to the UTIs and that's one of the reasons they

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Speaker 12: need to come to Congress. You know, the irony with

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Speaker 12: these things is a lot of times they may actually

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Speaker 12: get three hundred votes of Congress, but you're actually going

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Speaker 12: to have a much more unified stance for the other countries.

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Speaker 12: And this argument, well, Congress is so broken, Congress is

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Speaker 12: unpopular all of that is true, doesn't mean you could

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Speaker 12: just bypass it and getting a vote and up, down

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Speaker 12: or down vote on a privileged resolution is much easier

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Speaker 12: than getting a budget. And so you know, in these situations,

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Speaker 12: I actually think it's in the President's strategic interest to

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Speaker 12: come to Congress.

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Speaker 8: And if you were following the story of the strikes

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Speaker 8: on Yemen through the mainstream media, I don't think you

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Speaker 8: would really have any idea what was going on. You

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Speaker 8: would assume that this is some kind of just random piracy,

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Speaker 8: basically Somali pirates that have wound up somehow in Yemen

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Speaker 8: and now we're going to stop them from doing their piracy.

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Speaker 4: Whereas that you know, the facto Yemen government has.

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Speaker 8: Been very clear that this is in direct response to

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Speaker 8: Israel's attack on Gaza and that second that that stops,

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Speaker 8: they will they will lift this blockade. So that brings

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Speaker 8: into question the validity of that argument. And South Africa

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Speaker 8: has brought, you know, has brought genocide charges at the Hague.

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Speaker 8: I'm curious if you've read South Africa's charging. She did

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Speaker 8: you watch some of the hearings, either South Africa's prosecution

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Speaker 8: or Israel's defense, and what you make of their claims

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Speaker 8: that an imminent genocide is being carried out.

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Speaker 12: Well, I have read parts of it, I haven't read

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Speaker 12: the whole thing, and what I would say is I

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Speaker 12: would describe it as a humanitarian catastrophe. I mean, what

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Speaker 12: you have there in Gaza is twenty three thousand or

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Speaker 12: so civilians killed according to the Ministry of Health and

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Speaker 12: other UN reports. Most of those are women and children,

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Speaker 12: or almost forty to fifty percent. You have seventy percent

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Speaker 12: of the houses that have been destroyed, and certainly the

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Speaker 12: loss of human life is too much, and we don't

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Speaker 12: have humanitarian aid going in there. It could be a

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Speaker 12: potential starvation. I'll leave it to the legal system and

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Speaker 12: legal experts to figure out what to call it. I

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Speaker 12: call it in a humanitary cantestrap, and my interest is

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Speaker 12: to make sure that all the hostages are released and

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Speaker 12: that we have a cease fire and humanitarian aid there.

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Speaker 8: France has said that they also are willing to leave

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Speaker 8: it to the legal process, and if the court rules

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Speaker 8: that it is a genocide, that France will support that ruling.

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Speaker 8: Do you think the United States should do the same

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Speaker 8: that leave it to the process and if the court rules,

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Speaker 8: whatever way the court rules.

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Speaker 4: The United States should support that ruling.

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Speaker 12: I think we have to have our State Department involved.

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Speaker 12: I have respect for the ICJ, but I wouldn't outsource

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Speaker 12: all American foreign policy to the ICJ. So I do

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Speaker 12: think that, But I think our State Department needs to

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Speaker 12: take a hard look at what has gone on, and

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Speaker 12: we need to look at what the legal analysis is.

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Speaker 12: But I think that the issue ad myview, I mean,

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Speaker 12: let the history is, legal experts figure out the terminology

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Speaker 12: for all this. Right now, it's how do we save lives,

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Speaker 12: how do we stop the bobbing, how do we release

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Speaker 12: all the hostages, how do we get humanitarian and ate

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Speaker 12: in and that to me should be the focus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you called for ceas fire, and I've done

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Speaker 2: previously here on the show. I do want to move

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Speaker 2: on to pet topic. Very hard turn, but it's UFOs.

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Speaker 2: I know you've spoken about it, you have received as

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Speaker 2: I understand it. Maybe tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the circumstances of the briefing. Was it in a secure

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Speaker 2: facility or not? Was it classified? You don't have to

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Speaker 2: get into the details necessarily what you learned.

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Speaker 4: If I want this to be my last show. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: just an undisclosed location.

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Speaker 2: One of the things the process problem that we had

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Speaker 2: heard was that members of Congress were denied a secure,

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Speaker 2: compartmentalized intelligen facility to actually look at information rot by whistleblowers,

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Speaker 2: by David Grush and by others. Have you been able

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Speaker 2: to receive, then a classified briefing specifically about his claims

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Speaker 2: and to what extent have they been willing to share

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Speaker 2: information with you on the UFO subject.

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Speaker 12: I've had a classified briefing on the subject of the

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Speaker 12: whistleblowers complaint.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it left me with more questions.

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Speaker 6: I have.

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Speaker 12: Not had a classified briefing on anything about the actual

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Speaker 12: substance of the existence or not of UFOs. But I

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Speaker 12: think that there are more questions that need to be

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Speaker 12: asked about people in general coming forward with whistleblowing complaints.

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Speaker 2: So my question it comes down to this, which is

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Speaker 2: like you have been involved, now you're involved war power

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Speaker 2: solutioning more on the UFO subject.

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Speaker 3: There's two kind of strains of thought.

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Speaker 2: One is that there's an active cover up going on

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Speaker 2: by members of Congress and others who are tied to

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Speaker 2: the intelligce community. One is that this is just about

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Speaker 2: lack of transparency for the sake of it, simply because

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Speaker 2: they don't want. You know, who knows what you would

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Speaker 2: learn if we were to continue to push. And then

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Speaker 2: one is that this is all just like bureaucratic snafoo

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Speaker 2: and we're overthinking it in your involvement, you know on

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Speaker 2: the House arm Services, commed in more your general observation,

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Speaker 2: You've always been honest with us in terms of what

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Speaker 2: you think. What do you see when you're with your

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Speaker 2: involvement here on the topic amongst your colleagues. Is there

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Speaker 2: an unwillingness to look at it? Is it disbelief? People

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Speaker 2: just think that this is crank and kind of a

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Speaker 2: crazy subject some genuine interest, Like what's your assessment of

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Speaker 2: the kind of the landscape now that you've at least

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Speaker 2: you dipped your tone in a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Well, first, all members of Congress are incompetent to keep

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Speaker 12: some kind of secret for more than two hours before

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Speaker 12: Ryan will be tweeting about it. I mean, we can't

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Speaker 12: keep a secret about it like a some staff person

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Speaker 12: is leaving our office, let alone a topic like this.

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Speaker 12: But the question is, so I don't think it's at

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Speaker 12: the issue of Congress. I mean, el the Rushie one said,

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Speaker 12: in democracy, there are no secrets that applies to Congress. Now,

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Speaker 12: whether there are other agencies that have been fully transparent

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Speaker 12: on the matter, I have more questions. I don't what

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Speaker 12: I don't know this is not talking about anything classified.

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Speaker 12: This is just me as a member of Congress and citizen.

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Speaker 12: What I don't know is is the reluctance potentially to

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Speaker 12: be fully transparent because there are things overt operations that

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Speaker 12: look like UFOs that we are reluctant to share information

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Speaker 12: or if there's actually any evidence of extraterrestrial life, and

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Speaker 12: I think that that has led to a lack of

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Speaker 12: full transparency. What I will say is that there are

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Speaker 12: members on both sides who are now pushing for more transparency,

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Speaker 12: and it could be one of the few things the

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Speaker 12: Oversight Committee actually gets bipartisan consensus over.

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Speaker 8: How would you describe your position on this question back

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Speaker 8: when you were just a guy before you came to Congress,

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Speaker 8: just a normal.

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Speaker 4: Maria A question Ryan compared to how you are.

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Speaker 8: To access to classified briefings, though of course not access

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Speaker 8: to the kinds of classified briefings that would be at

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Speaker 8: the very very highest levels. But it has there been

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Speaker 8: a shift in your thinking or understanding of this issue.

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Speaker 12: I think there's been a shift, not because I'm a

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Speaker 12: member of Congress, but I was probably candidly on the

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Speaker 12: more skeptical camp growing up in a till.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 12: And I think it's been more of the public reporting

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Speaker 12: of whistleblower complaints, which the public has in and these

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Speaker 12: are credible people bringing forth these complaints, and certainly that

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Speaker 12: raises issues that has there been a challenge on transparency

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Speaker 12: and why is that? And regardless of whether it's actual

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Speaker 12: UFOs or something else, the transparency should be a concern

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Speaker 12: to American citizens.

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Speaker 2: I've said that for it. Look, we could be totally wrong.

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Speaker 2: Who knows it's better to find out rather than to

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Speaker 2: keep it, you know, be a secret. So there's millions

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Speaker 2: of people who certainly want to look into the subject.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your joining us and really willing to talk

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Speaker 2: about it, sir, and we always welcome you back.

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 12: Always enjoying going.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you guys later.