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Speaker 1: this episode in the hood, as in in geopolitics, sometimes

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Speaker 1: So it came from somewhere we just think as normal.

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Speaker 1: always been this way? No, So today I want to

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Speaker 1: unless you have context, unless you have backstory. You ever

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Speaker 1: thought about why crips or even beefing with blood? Where

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Speaker 1: this nine eleven issue in two thousand one really didn't

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Speaker 1: You have to ask itself, how did we even get

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Speaker 1: What is beef? So who were putting on the hood

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Speaker 1: my man, Jeremy Cortney y'all make some noise. Jeremy Cortney,

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Speaker 1: what's out, Jeremy, Yeah, buddy. So this is a special

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Speaker 1: episode which has been introduced and explained before you got

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Speaker 1: it again, but I'm gonna start with this little story.

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Speaker 1: I was out at this thing in the mountains of Utah,

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Speaker 1: We owned the streets in n and we got them

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Speaker 1: to tell the story that we wanted them to tell.

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Speaker 1: So if we could do that, why couldn't we go

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Speaker 1: in and listen more carefully and understand is this a

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Speaker 1: pro Soviet movement that's really happening, or is it a

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Speaker 1: pro Iranian movement it's really happening an anti imperialist because

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Speaker 1: the Soviet was just another imperial force, and there's a

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Speaker 1: pretty strong argument that most of that wasn't looking to

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Speaker 1: fall under the sway of another empire. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, like just the comparison between like you said,

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Speaker 1: these are just these are your as far as as

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Speaker 1: far as the Iranian is concerned. It's like all of

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Speaker 1: y'all are problems in my coming up again at inner

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Speaker 1: city stuff like crib blood, cop Chlo. It's just like

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, man, like y'all all

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Speaker 1: the same. Either way, you've made it hard for me

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Speaker 1: to walk home home, play football in the streets outside,

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Speaker 1: like it's just at the end of the day and

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Speaker 1: whether it was four streets over when I was riding

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Speaker 1: home on my bike, somebody took my bike and I

447
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Speaker 1: walked into the house, and the congregate of young men

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Speaker 1: next door to me took a personal offense that a

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Speaker 1: little kid on the street got robbed, that they decided

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Speaker 1: to get up and go get my bike back. So

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I'm affiliated with this, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily I asked for it. It's just, man,

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Speaker 1: you was willing to go get my bike back, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have an affinity towards these guys what

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Speaker 1: they live next door. I mean I've known them forever

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Speaker 1: and then too like they got my bike back. You know,

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Speaker 1: a situation to where someone just knocks on the door

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Speaker 1: and it's just like, you know what set you claim?

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Speaker 1: And it's like, well, which one of what do I

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Speaker 1: need to tell you that's gonna stop you from hurting

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Speaker 1: my family? Yes? What do I gonna tell you to

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Speaker 1: make you go away? Right? Family? So all that to say,

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Speaker 1: what makes a radical, what makes a what to make

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Speaker 1: a what makes an Islamic? Is streamless? Like, what what

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Speaker 1: makes that if you imagine if you imagine a pyramid.

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Speaker 1: I've I've often described the violence that we kind of

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Speaker 1: just lived through here in Iraq a couple of years

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Speaker 1: with the rise of Isis, you know, taken over a

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Speaker 1: third of Syria, a third of Iraq. We ourselves were

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Speaker 1: on the front lines of some of that violence as

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Speaker 1: as Isis was being pushed back. Our teams have been

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Speaker 1: shot at and bombed trying to feed and free people

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Speaker 1: from this situation, and it has I've seen the way

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Speaker 1: words and policies have turned people more and more violent

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Speaker 1: in ways that they didn't have to be. I've seen

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Speaker 1: the ways that an effort to protect ourselves from those

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Speaker 1: people has ended up being kind of a self fulfilling

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Speaker 1: prophecy for those people, where they're like, oh, well, if

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Speaker 1: you're set against me, then I guess I have to

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Speaker 1: be set against you just to just to survive. And

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Speaker 1: then they become the very thing that we said they were.

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Speaker 1: So if you envisioned a peer pramid, I think of

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Speaker 1: it like this, the base of the pyramid. So if

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Speaker 1: you look at that hood, that city, that place, that

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Speaker 1: territory um, and you look at the population there, if

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Speaker 1: you're an outsider, kind of like they were talking about

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Speaker 1: your grandma's house, like you might be inclined to look

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Speaker 1: at that whole Long Beach or that whole Compton or

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Speaker 1: whatever as like that's all gangland. Meaning every single person

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Speaker 1: involved is a quote unquote radical. They believe the thing.

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Speaker 1: They're they're all in on it. But that's not I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's true. That's not that doesn't spar out

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Speaker 1: with what I've seen. Um the base of the pyramid

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Speaker 1: are people that I sometimes call the conquered. It's the biggest,

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Speaker 1: widest um swath of people. They are the conquered. A

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Speaker 1: level up from that, a slightly smaller group you might

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Speaker 1: call the collaborators. Yeah, okay, there you go. So there

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Speaker 1: are people who might like point you in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: They're not they're not believers, but they're they're engaged in

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Speaker 1: some kind of way, usually just to like not get

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Speaker 1: beat up themselves, not get their family killed themselves in

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Speaker 1: our Isis situation. I think these were some of the

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Speaker 1: Sunni Arabs. Isis rolls up into town, they say, where

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Speaker 1: are the Christians or where are the Yazitis? And some

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Speaker 1: Sunni Arab dad will point to his neighbor's house and

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Speaker 1: say it's not me, man, We're sunny just like you.

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Speaker 1: It's these guys next door. He probably doesn't hate his neighbor.

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Speaker 1: He probably doesn't want to see genocide happen to the Yazities.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't hate their religion. He's just trying to get

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Speaker 1: his daughter to not be raped today. And so he

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Speaker 1: points to the door next door, and then something horrific

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Speaker 1: befalls the door next door, and all those Christians and

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Speaker 1: all those Yusities. He feels bad about it. He genuinely

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Speaker 1: hates it. But is he guilty in the same way

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Speaker 1: that the guy who held the knife is guilty. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I guess you can have that technical conversation, But

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Speaker 1: from from his perspective, he was trying to protect his

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Speaker 1: own household. You know, A level up from that collaborators,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, there's there's criminals. These are people who actually

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Speaker 1: hold the gun, hold the knife, do the thing. They

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Speaker 1: break in, they rape, they steal, they they sell the drugs,

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Speaker 1: they do whatever they do. These are their actual criminals.

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Speaker 1: They engage in something that is that's what we call banging,

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Speaker 1: that's gang banging. You still put new way up from criminals,

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Speaker 1: an even smaller proportion of the overall population. I would say,

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Speaker 1: are something like the cultists. These are the people who

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Speaker 1: actually believe the ideology. Um, they believe the theology in

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Speaker 1: the case of like an isis or whatever. And then

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Speaker 1: often I think the guys at the very tip top

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Speaker 1: of the pyramid, the smallest group, the one or two

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Speaker 1: heads of a region in or whatever, they aren't even cultists.

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Speaker 1: They're just in it for pure power and money. That's

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Speaker 1: the shot callers. They don't even believe the thing that

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Speaker 1: they're saying. They know it's all a religion, like a mythos,

535
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Speaker 1: but they know how to mobilize people. That the shot caller,

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Speaker 1: the boss, the shot caller who this thing before under

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Speaker 1: that we would call like. That would be like the O.

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Speaker 1: G s or like the prison dudes that are like, no,

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Speaker 1: we in this, this is our life. I bleed blue.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I was born in it is. It

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Speaker 1: ain't choose me, you know what I'm saying. Dudes that

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Speaker 1: are like calling shots in the streets. But then the

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Speaker 1: dudes above them are just like, now, I'm just out

544
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: here making money. I don't care, but red blue don't matter.

545
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm just here making money. So interesting they know they

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Speaker 1: know how to leverage the history, the story, the ideology

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Speaker 1: to keep the keep everyone else moving, and keep everyone

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Speaker 1: else afraid and inspired. And I hope that makes sense

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Speaker 1: for the rest of y'all. It makes perfect sense to me.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'd asked you, Jeremy, is like, maybe

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about preemptive love, what we're doing

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00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: and where we're going next with it. We're working to

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Speaker 1: end war, period, and I don't mean to say that flippantly.

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, look at l A. L A is

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00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: not what it was in the eighties. Absolutely, there are

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Speaker 1: things that can be done to end war, and there

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00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: are policies and things that can be done. Stories we

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00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: can tell about each other to escalate violence. Some of

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Speaker 1: the way you told the story from the Panthers on

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Speaker 1: down supports our thesis and what we've seen on the

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00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: streets that violence spreads like a disease, and it's important

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Speaker 1: that we have first responders to stop the blood letting,

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Speaker 1: stop the spread of that disease as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: So that's a lot of what we do. We we

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Speaker 1: respond fast in conflict zones to keep that story from

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Speaker 1: spreading to the next group, from spreading to the next person.

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Speaker 1: Um and then we do job creation. We are we

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Speaker 1: are primarily a job creation community because nothing helps more

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Speaker 1: than good economic conditions to live in. Uh. Nothing really

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Speaker 1: accelerates people's alignment with militias and gangs and militaries like

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Speaker 1: the promise of food on the table, and if we

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00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: can give strong, strong, robust alternatives to that, it ultimately

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Speaker 1: helps lock it out all together. Yeah, father Greg boyle

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Speaker 1: uh at Homeboy Industries out here. He has a T

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Speaker 1: shirt I remember changed my life. T shirt said nothing

576
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: stops a bullet like a job. Yeah. Well, Jeremy, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time. Man. Let me show you how

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: real Jeremy keeps it. While we were starting this, the

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00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: power went out and then he just was like, hey,

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: the power went out, Just give me a second, and

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: then it popped right back on. I'm just like, look, man, look, Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: If there's somebody who's got like the receipts and the stripes,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking to donate to organizations where if my

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Speaker 1: name means anything, like I swear to you, the money

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00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: is going where these people say it's going like it's

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00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: real work happening. These dudes ain't They're not these ain't

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00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: drowne strike people sitting in somewhere in van eyes like

588
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: look over there and look at the work we're doing.

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: It's people who putting their own children and like their

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00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: own children in the in the in the space like

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Speaker 1: put their bodies in harm's way for the sake of

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Speaker 1: waging peace. Thank you so much, Jeremy, everybody doing over

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Speaker 1: that Preemptive Love. Like I said, I am oudly and

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Speaker 1: it is my honor to be a part of this team.

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Speaker 1: And thank you again for being a part of this stop.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. You well that's our shows, shows mixed and

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Speaker 1: mastered as you know by the big homie matt Owasowski

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Speaker 1: Owawski Owawski ours tell me a story about his granddad

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Speaker 1: who for his dad that was in war or in

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Speaker 1: the navy, and the navy recruiter was like, hey, uh

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Speaker 1: matt um Osaki Osaka is mad Osaka here He's like, no, no,

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00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: mad now Here's not my name anyway, uh special Thanks

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: to all of our patreons who keep making this happen.

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Speaker 1: Big shout out to Jeremy Cortney. You could follow him

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Speaker 1: and their work at Preemptive Love dot org. Go get

606
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: yourself some refugee soap, and by saying that, I mean

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Speaker 1: soap made by refugees, like literally poke around. That website

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Speaker 1: is nothing like it um and our theme music was

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Speaker 1: as always made by the big Homey DJ Shampi. And

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: like we say at the end of every show, politics

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00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: is just gang banging in nice suits. We'll see you

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: next week. Except Johnny dropped a new nugget that I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to say it to the end. Y'all, check

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Speaker 1: out this last nugget Jeremy dropped. I think we got

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00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: to know our history. But what is ultimately needed is

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Speaker 1: someone who can point us forward, someone who can look

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Speaker 1: to the future, someone who can take a a good

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Speaker 1: faith peacemaking negotiation kind of brokership on behalf of both sides,

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Speaker 1: who can be seen as a good faith actor by

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Speaker 1: everyone involved and help move the conversation into the future.

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Speaker 1: And and that's a tall order, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: really what is needed in various conflicts around the world,

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Speaker 1: including the Middle East,