Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Is this Aiden?
Speaker 3: This is Aid? Is this Lyle going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, this is this is Lyle. How's it going dude?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: You know, well not too bad. I actually, uh, I've
Speaker 3: met you twice in uh uh Saint Louis at your
Speaker 3: live show.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking cool? Fuck yeah fuck yeah, dude, Saint Louis
Speaker 2: is always a great time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it was a good time.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: You might remember me. I was, uh, the bald dude
Speaker 3: with the big red beard.
Speaker 2: I really, do you know what? Here's the thing, here's
Speaker 2: the thing. I here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I don't remember anybody's.
Speaker 2: Name, and uh I I but like, if you, if
Speaker 2: you tell me something, if like we talked about something,
Speaker 2: I'll remember that. Do you remember what we taught what
Speaker 2: we talked about?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Well, the first time I made a joke about how
Speaker 3: you're taller in person, okay, because I thought you were
Speaker 3: a little shorter in person, to be honest, it didn't
Speaker 3: really land. So then the second time I came back
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, remember that joke. I told
Speaker 3: you it wasn't really that funny.
Speaker 2: Well, Aiden, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and wipe those other two times from
Speaker 2: from uh from my memory, although I guess I didn't
Speaker 2: remember them in the first place.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We are on the phone together right now. What's up, man?
Speaker 2: How you doing? How's life?
Speaker 1: We're on the phone, We're chatting, We're chatting. What'd you
Speaker 1: want to talk about?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Uh, you know I texted in these pasts like forty
Speaker 3: eight out. Well, I guess since like Thursday has been
Speaker 3: pretty pretty strange, I kind of got like a stalker.
Speaker 3: Have you Have you watched Baby Reindeer on Netflix?
Speaker 2: I have not, but I've heard about it.
Speaker 3: It's I'm like kind of getting Baby reindeered right now.
Speaker 3: It's sort of chilled out over the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: But like it was, it was weird. So so what.
Speaker 4: Happened was this?
Speaker 3: Uh So, let me give you a little backstory. There
Speaker 3: was this girl that I knew in I knew her
Speaker 3: since like high school and I'm twenty four now, but
Speaker 3: I knew her in like high school. She was a
Speaker 3: great above me and we were kind of friends, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of you know gen'erally, I know, he told her
Speaker 3: that well, but you know, we would talk every once
Speaker 3: in a while, and then after high school we sort
Speaker 3: of stopped talking. And then she hits me up on
Speaker 3: like Snapchat, and this is a you know, like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one at this point. I graduated twenty eighteen, so
Speaker 3: this is twenty twenty one, a few years later. And
Speaker 3: we talked a little periodically between you know, high school
Speaker 3: and then uh, and you know, she invites me out
Speaker 3: to this bar and I'm like, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: chery I'll go out you know with her and like
Speaker 3: her roommates and stuff, and then you know, one thing
Speaker 3: said actually end up hooking up. We were sort of
Speaker 3: like friends with benefits for a couple of weeks. Then
Speaker 3: it ended pretty mutually.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She was like, hey, I'm kind of catching feelings. We
Speaker 3: should probably stop sleeping together. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know that's cool, being totally respectful of that and
Speaker 3: all that. And then she gets with this other guy
Speaker 3: and she blocks me on everything, which is I figured
Speaker 3: it was whatever, you know, this she's she's making a
Speaker 3: statement here, She's making like a commitment to this guy.
Speaker 3: She's like cutting off all her other past situationships or whatever.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So so I you know, I don't hear for her
Speaker 3: from her for like three years. Like I said, this
Speaker 3: was twenty twenty one, and then this past Thursday. This
Speaker 3: is where it gets weird. So so let me give
Speaker 3: you another old piece of backstory. So I was in
Speaker 3: this band. We were moderately popular. I won't say any
Speaker 3: specific names because I don't want people looking in any
Speaker 3: of this, but you know, we were moderately popular. Uh,
Speaker 3: and she was a big fan of it. But anyways,
Speaker 3: this past Thursday, my old bassist from that band, that
Speaker 3: band recently broke up, but my bassist, you know, he's
Speaker 3: he texted me. He's like, hey, you know, what's what's
Speaker 3: going on with this poem and everything. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. And then he
Speaker 3: says her name, you know, her poem, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm figure. I'm like, yeah, I have no idea what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. And then he sends me to this
Speaker 3: reddit thread was a Reddit account, and it's just like
Speaker 3: hundreds well there's like this poem and then like hundreds
Speaker 3: of other posts by this person, the girl that i'd
Speaker 3: you know, not spoken to in three years, and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of poems about like it starts
Speaker 3: out it references the band breaking up, because, like I said,
Speaker 3: she was a big fan of the band, and she
Speaker 3: talks about how she's how all the songs are about her,
Speaker 3: and how like she's she said a lot of things
Speaker 3: about like that are kind of obsessive about me in it.
Speaker 3: And it starts out like that, and it doesn't start
Speaker 3: out like super negative. At first. It's a little weird,
Speaker 3: but it's not like quite negative. And then it escalates,
Speaker 3: like you can see, like there's tons of posts. So
Speaker 3: she started posting like a week ago, but I didn't
Speaker 3: find out about it till Thursday. So I'm seeing all
Speaker 3: of these posts after like a week of just these
Speaker 3: like rapid fire obsessing like posting and everything, and she's
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, like I said, it starts out
Speaker 3: with her like being super like obsessive, but then it
Speaker 3: goes into like, you know, saying that I've been like
Speaker 3: making a bunch of fake accounts to try to like
Speaker 3: hunt her down. She has a really explicit like story
Speaker 3: about how I like physically like lured her out and
Speaker 3: tried to kill her, and again I haven't spoken to
Speaker 3: this woman in three years, and it's just a lot
Speaker 3: of weird stuff. Sorry, I'm kind of rambling right.
Speaker 2: Now, but no, no, no, no, no, no, uh, I can't
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she says, she says that, you know, I
Speaker 3: have tried to kill her like others she's posting. Everything
Speaker 3: she's posting is like it's like all poems, right, Like
Speaker 3: there's there's some things here and there that are like
Speaker 3: prose I think is the word for not poetry. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but she there's some stuff that she's supposed to,
Speaker 3: you know, not poetry, just regular like talking, but a
Speaker 3: majority of them are like poems and they're kind of
Speaker 3: about me, but they're kind of just rambling. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I find out it all on this Thursday,
Speaker 3: and I like leave works on them. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, I had to get home and kind of
Speaker 3: analyze the situation. But as I'm going through it, I'm
Speaker 3: seeing she's saying that, you know, I'm trying to hunt
Speaker 3: her down, and she's like I'm getting different people calling
Speaker 3: a text to me being like, yo, what's along with this?
Speaker 3: Because she's like reaching out to everybody I know and
Speaker 3: like she didn't. Well, she did message me directly, but
Speaker 3: I had like deleted Instagram from my phone for a
Speaker 3: little while ago, so I didn't see it. But she's like,
Speaker 3: you know, texting and messaging all these people saying that
Speaker 3: you know, I've been killing people and that I I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just been like get ramping up and up, and
Speaker 3: you know, at this point, I'm like, Okay, she's having
Speaker 3: some sort of episode, right, you know, some sort of
Speaker 3: like I don't know, some mental illness. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what she had. I still don't know
Speaker 3: what she has. So you know, I'm not like necessarily
Speaker 3: like angry at her or anything, because I know she's
Speaker 3: like sick in the head. But it was it's been
Speaker 3: a very weird past twenty four hours or past like
Speaker 3: forty eight hours for me, as you might suspect, because
Speaker 3: like I said, there's tons of people are calling and
Speaker 3: texting me be like yo, uh, this person saying that
Speaker 3: you're killing people. Obviously don't none of them believe it,
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been weird.
Speaker 1: You ever wanted you ever want you ever wanted to
Speaker 1: kill anyone?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Not too much. I mean, you know, she she has
Speaker 3: been you know, saying that, uh, I'm like a serial killer.
Speaker 3: It's also funny too. She she kind of said that
Speaker 3: my that that I've been holding my brother hostage, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it all kind of was going back to
Speaker 3: the I think the fact that the band vocal was
Speaker 3: kind of like a catalyst for it, because like, like
Speaker 3: you like.
Speaker 2: You think that the band breaking up sent her into
Speaker 2: a spiral or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we made the post. We made like a
Speaker 3: post being like.
Speaker 2: Hey, the band is Let me ask me, I'm curious,
Speaker 2: do you do you think do you think that she
Speaker 2: is having an episode or like is she like fucking
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 3: No, No, She's definitely having like some sort of episode.
Speaker 3: Like at first I didn't know like if that was
Speaker 3: the case, but at this point, I'm pretty certain that's
Speaker 3: what's happening.
Speaker 2: Okay, and when's the last Like, well, I get I
Speaker 2: want you know, at the beginning of this, you said
Speaker 2: to me, you were like, well, I was kind of
Speaker 2: dealing with this or actually, I'll say I'll say what
Speaker 2: you read in the text. You said, I am kind
Speaker 2: of being stalked, but it's chill. Tell me tell me
Speaker 2: about uh how it has gotten chill. Are you just
Speaker 2: kind of like you're not? I assume you're, yeah, Like
Speaker 2: what's what's how have you been been able to be chill? Well?
Speaker 3: I don't think that she's I mean, she has made
Speaker 3: definitely some remarks about like, you know, he should be
Speaker 3: in the ground and you know, I don't care if
Speaker 3: he's dead and all that kind of stuff. Not quite
Speaker 3: death threats, but teetering on the edge there and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But ultimately I don't think that she's like
Speaker 3: actually like, you know, like gonna come after me physically.
Speaker 3: I did go to the cops at one point after
Speaker 3: she said that I had my brother held hostage, just
Speaker 3: because she said that she was going to the cops, which,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever, but I just didn't want to get swatted.
Speaker 3: I don't want them to think about as hostage here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The cops, I mean they were they were fuck all help,
Speaker 3: you know. They were like, oh, did you know that
Speaker 3: she is her First Amendment right?
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, whatever, Oh yeah, did they really
Speaker 2: say that, dude?
Speaker 3: They were like they were like, well, technically that's all
Speaker 3: the First Amendment right to free speech, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: in the ground and.
Speaker 2: That's super that's by the way, that's I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not a fucking lawyer, but like, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure that the I'm pretty sure that the First
Speaker 2: Amendment ends at death threats. I think that's that's like
Speaker 2: inciting violence.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's that's kind of what I was thinking too.
Speaker 3: But you know, I won't get all political. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that I wasn't. I wasn't too surprised by that response.
Speaker 3: But the past, like I said, started Thursdays when I
Speaker 3: felt well, I found out about Thursday, like the week,
Speaker 3: but like the past like twenty four hours. She hasn't
Speaker 3: posted her anything. She doesn't post her anything, which was,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of odd because she had been posting
Speaker 3: like every hour on the hour for like a week
Speaker 3: before that. So I'm not really sure what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that she got help, you know, because like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not like upset with her or anything.
Speaker 3: You know, she's she's having some sort of episode. She's
Speaker 3: she's she's sick, you know, so I hope she gets help.
Speaker 3: That's what all I wrote one from it. But it's
Speaker 3: a little, uh, it's it's been stressful, you know, especially
Speaker 3: because you know, not to be too dark. But like
Speaker 3: if she's not post if she suddenly stops posting, that
Speaker 3: can either mean she got help or something pretty bad,
Speaker 3: you know, And I'm trying to avoid thinking about that.
Speaker 2: But you know how I did good?
Speaker 3: God, No, I was just I was just gonna said,
Speaker 3: I did you know, before going to the cops, I
Speaker 3: did call like a crisis hotline explain the situation of them,
Speaker 3: and they were like, uh uh, they were gonna They said,
Speaker 3: they told me they'd try to call her, but they
Speaker 3: couldn't tell me whether or not they did speak to
Speaker 3: her because that's all like confidential information.
Speaker 2: So yeah, of course, what have you been doing since
Speaker 2: the band broke up?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So the band actually broke up like a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, but we just didn't make any posts about it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of been a little bit of a fallout
Speaker 3: since then. But we did have like a bunch of
Speaker 3: music that hadn't been released and we were all still
Speaker 3: chill with each other, so we released like the last
Speaker 3: bit of music just a little while ago. It was
Speaker 3: actually kind of funny because you know, we hadn't posted
Speaker 3: anything for a couple of years, and some random person
Speaker 3: on Instagram was like, I need this band to drop
Speaker 3: music for my birthday on June second, and I like
Speaker 3: swiped up. I was like, okay, yeah, sure, because, like
Speaker 3: I said, we had a bunch of songs that we
Speaker 3: just hadn't released because you know, the band broke up.
Speaker 3: So we released all those songs on that person's birthday and.
Speaker 2: Then that's nice.
Speaker 3: Made the made the post about breaking up after that.
Speaker 1: Did you are you still in a band? Are you
Speaker 1: still making music here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was in like a few bands at the time.
Speaker 3: I'm actually I actually got a show to not I'd
Speaker 3: playing a that was like a kind of a pop
Speaker 3: rock band that did originals. Now I'm playing in a
Speaker 3: in a country cover band.
Speaker 2: Cool man, Well, I look over your shoulder when you
Speaker 2: have when you're out there, because it is I I
Speaker 2: will I will say, like, you know, it's a little gnarly,
Speaker 2: like being like a you know, a touring like it's
Speaker 2: it's gnarly having a stalker and also being like, hey.
Speaker 1: Here's where I'm going to be physically, yeah right now.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know. I didn't post anything about it
Speaker 3: specifically kind of for that reason. I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not really gonna I'm not gonna take that hit.
Speaker 2: Are you Are you still doing music for a living
Speaker 2: or you got another gig?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've got right now. I'm working a few
Speaker 3: different jobs, but yeah I do. Uh, I work like
Speaker 3: audio and stuff too, So I work sound at this
Speaker 3: bar that I'm going to play at time and at
Speaker 3: a country bar, you know, all the different country bands
Speaker 3: come through, and one of them was like, hey, we
Speaker 3: need a drummer to fill in. I was like, okay, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. And then I just started became permanent.
Speaker 3: So I played there once a month and yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a good time. So I was never really as before.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's so coral. It is crazy that
Speaker 2: somebody that you haven't spoken to and like that long
Speaker 2: will just like come back and be like this guy
Speaker 2: is a serial killer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, zero contact. And you know, initially, whenever she was
Speaker 3: making the post, she wasn't directly aiming me. She was
Speaker 3: naming the band and like all that. But then it's
Speaker 3: towards the end then she said my you know, my
Speaker 3: full name, and she said, uh, like, she didn't say
Speaker 3: my exact address, but she said what town I live
Speaker 3: in and all that kind of stuff. So it was uh,
Speaker 3: it was definitely a little stressful.
Speaker 2: Well, look, man, that's just her right to free speech.
Speaker 2: I suppose it's her.
Speaker 3: Right to free speech. Yeah, I'm gonna start. My brother
Speaker 3: and I were joking that I need to start writing
Speaker 3: poems back like a like a like a rat battle,
Speaker 3: but for poems.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, have you got anything? You got anything
Speaker 1: cooking in the drafts?
Speaker 3: Well nothing yet. I'm still a I'm still a filtering
Speaker 3: through the poems, getting some more inspiration. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not actually gonna do that. That would be probably,
Speaker 3: uh I think that would be considered feeding delusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably I think it's probably best
Speaker 2: to just ignore it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I still haven't. I didn't respond any
Speaker 3: you know, like so she messaged me one time on
Speaker 3: Instagram just being like you better stop this or I'm
Speaker 3: gonna you know, this is the worst thing anyone's ever
Speaker 3: done to me. And ultimately, you know, I you know,
Speaker 3: I just walked HERU. I didn't respond to it, So
Speaker 3: I don't want to feed into it, yea. And ultimately,
Speaker 3: like the whole thing, it's just kind of a sad situation,
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm not really I'm not fearful of
Speaker 3: my own safety at this point, really because I don't
Speaker 3: think she's a threat. But yeah, it's been Uh, it's
Speaker 3: been strange. There's a lot of parallels to the show
Speaker 3: Baby Reindeer. It's a good show.
Speaker 2: You shall watch it, Okay, all right, I'll check it out.
Speaker 2: I thought it was uh, I thought it was fucking
Speaker 2: about a reindeer.
Speaker 3: Nah, Well it's a it's about a stand up comedian,
Speaker 3: well like a kind of small time stand up comedian,
Speaker 3: about as small time as my band was. And he
Speaker 3: gets a stalker who's like a she becomes like a
Speaker 3: crazy fan of him, and there's a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of weird parallels.
Speaker 1: Well, you're going you're Dave, right, Aiden?
Speaker 2: Aiden? What damn it? Someone else called in is Dave.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I like Dave. It's a good name.
Speaker 2: I like Dave too. I like Dave too. Well, Aidan,
Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for sharing. Uh I I hope everything
Speaker 2: works out, okay, Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm hoping so too.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we.
Speaker 3: Go, Uh, not that the people computer, but I do
Speaker 3: I think you should go back on the H three
Speaker 3: podcast whenever you're in LA because your podcasts and their
Speaker 3: podcasts are like, those are the two I watch and
Speaker 3: I love your your episodes together.
Speaker 2: Thanks yet, dude, It's crazy how many yeah, dude, so
Speaker 2: many people when I when I, when I do my life,
Speaker 2: I've shows and I meet people afterwhard It's like there's
Speaker 2: always so many people wearing uh, wearing Teddy Fresh. So
Speaker 2: I know that those those universes are definitely on a
Speaker 2: on a on a on a similar vent diagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I actually I actually found well, I knew
Speaker 3: of their podcast. I didn't start watching. I started watching
Speaker 3: you first. I know you said, oh really.
Speaker 2: That's that's that. That's a new one. I've not I
Speaker 2: have I haven't heard that. I have not heard that before.
Speaker 2: I have not heard anyone who I have introduced it to.
Speaker 2: The to H three, I mean they're huge.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I've heard of them before, but you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't really start watching the until after you were
Speaker 3: on some cool man.
Speaker 2: Well, all right, one for me. Hell ya, Well thanks
Speaker 2: for calling Aiden and uh good luck and don't uh
Speaker 2: you know, keep keeping keep an eye on the in
Speaker 2: the back of your fucking head, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll let you know that the at the next
Speaker 3: Saint Louis Live Show whether or not I was murdered.
Speaker 2: I completely you know what, I completely forgot about that,
Speaker 2: that whole interaction we had at the beginning of this call.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just say this, because I think you're
Speaker 2: a nice guy. I forgive you for calling me short. Uh,
Speaker 2: even though you know what I forgive you. It's your
Speaker 2: fucking freedom of speech. It's your First Amendment right to
Speaker 2: call me short. It's also true. I am I'm a short.
Speaker 2: I'm a little little No, I'm no, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a I'm a teeny tiny, itty bitty ah little little guy.
Speaker 3: You're taller than the average.
Speaker 2: Get go oky, take care of.
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 5: Is this Lile?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 2: Hello? What is your name?
Speaker 5: You can give me a name if you want.
Speaker 1: I can give you a name if I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you Lyle.
Speaker 2: You're Lyle. We're both Lyle.
Speaker 5: Excellent works for me. Good t me Toole.
Speaker 2: Lyle. What's up?
Speaker 1: How's life? How's it going?
Speaker 5: It's you know, it could be better, but I guess
Speaker 5: that's why I'm calling it so.
Speaker 2: Lyle. You you texted me and you said something I
Speaker 2: thought was very interesting. You said, Hey, Gek, I'm getting
Speaker 2: locally famous by word of mouth, and.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be what tell me?
Speaker 2: Tell me more?
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 5: Okay, I am an Uber driver, uh, and I am
Speaker 5: also an artist and I decided one day about like
Speaker 5: seven or eight years ago, I was going to include
Speaker 5: my art in my ubercar. And you know, people have
Speaker 5: responded very positively to it. It's like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: an experience, like you're amazing, Like it's just like compliments
Speaker 5: out the wazoo. There was one girl who straight up
Speaker 5: told me, You're going to heaven for this?
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 5: Right? I like, I have my doubts, but okay, So
Speaker 5: I tried posting about it on social media one time, uh,
Speaker 5: and I gotta say the response was very negative. A
Speaker 5: lot of people called me very entitled because it's like
Speaker 5: not every Uber driver can can afford to spend stuff
Speaker 5: on your car like that, Like people are going to
Speaker 5: destroy that like et cetera, et cetera. Uh, talking about
Speaker 5: like the decorations and such.
Speaker 2: So, so so you're the plan is you're so you're
Speaker 2: an artist and you were basically decking out your your
Speaker 2: car I remember Carr.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, correct, okay, And like, honestly, there were just
Speaker 5: a lot of negative comments on the singular post that
Speaker 5: I made. Really it got to the point where I
Speaker 5: had like started to spiral a little bit and I
Speaker 5: was like considering taking the whole thing down and just
Speaker 5: being a plaine ubercar again. And my brother he actually
Speaker 5: he actually stole my phone and he was like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, there was some sort of new update to
Speaker 5: the phone. Can I like see yours to compare it?
Speaker 5: And he like ran away with my phone to the
Speaker 5: bathroom for a minute, and he came back out and
Speaker 5: he said, hey, I actually deleted this post for you.
Speaker 5: You're awesome and don't let these idiots tell you what
Speaker 5: to do with your life. And I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: that's really nice of you. And like I decided from
Speaker 5: that moment on that I was not going to have
Speaker 5: like any sort of social media presence about this. I
Speaker 5: was just going to live my life in person and like,
Speaker 5: you know, have the have a nice time, just like
Speaker 5: earning money and like living life. So, okay, here's where
Speaker 5: I would like to ask you for either validation or condemnation.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 5: I've done this for almost eight years in three different cities.
Speaker 5: Each time I have gotten offers of like, oh, I
Speaker 5: can be like a regular passenger for you, we can
Speaker 5: do it off of the Uber apps and I'll just
Speaker 5: pay you directly, and like they'll like they want to
Speaker 5: call me, they want to like hire me, they want
Speaker 5: to do news articles about me and such. There have
Speaker 5: been people who want to tag me on Instagram stories
Speaker 5: and whatnot, and I'm like, I don't have social media,
Speaker 5: so and they're like you should, you should? You would
Speaker 5: go absolutely viral, like you need to have a TikTok live,
Speaker 5: And like, honestly, I've looked into the logistics and stuff
Speaker 5: of all that, and there are like really good reasons
Speaker 5: not to not to like become famous in that sort
Speaker 5: of sense. Like there's consent laws for filming you need
Speaker 5: to be worried about. There's the general shittiness of invading
Speaker 5: somebody's privacy after a long day. There's uh insurance costs
Speaker 5: because Uber provides us with insurance and doing it like
Speaker 5: through an insurance company would cost like six hundred extra
Speaker 5: dollars on top of the one fifty I already pay
Speaker 5: for personal. So it's like I don't want to do that.
Speaker 5: I don't want to like give people my number or
Speaker 5: like I don't want to have to have contact with
Speaker 5: some of these people because they are they are nuts.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of really crazy people.
Speaker 2: Out There's a crazy people out there.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know that I saw earlier with the.
Speaker 2: It's something I know from from doing this, That's something
Speaker 2: I know from just being alive on the planet Earth.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, And I just like generally did not want
Speaker 5: to give out my information. I do not want to
Speaker 5: go viral. I don't want to have a TikTok or
Speaker 5: a TikTok live or or whatever presence. And like I'm
Speaker 5: basically turning down potential fame, potential fortune to just live
Speaker 5: like a normal what I would consider a quiet life
Speaker 5: where I just like I go to a bar, I
Speaker 5: hang out with my friends when I have time off,
Speaker 5: you know, like I'm not not on the content grind,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, so.
Speaker 2: This, so this is this You're asking me for validation
Speaker 2: or condemnation on this choice.
Speaker 5: Yes, on the choice of like turning down potential money,
Speaker 5: wow and like stuff just to be myself and be happy.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm gonna stop. I'm not gonna call you
Speaker 2: Lyle because I want to actually talk to you, and
Speaker 2: I feel like if I call you Lyle, it's gonna
Speaker 2: make a weird So I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call you Jenny. I love I love this call. This
Speaker 2: is so great. This is so awesome. I love this.
Speaker 2: This is great, this is really awesome. How how I
Speaker 2: I before I give my comments? So you've been doing
Speaker 2: this for eight years, just like and and you. It's
Speaker 2: just basically so for eight years. You just you're an artist.
Speaker 2: You have a decked out, cool ass fucking car. People
Speaker 2: love your car. People are are asking you if you
Speaker 2: can be, you know, their personal chauffeur. And it's it's
Speaker 2: become too much. Oh my god, wow, I am dude, Jenny.
Speaker 1: I love this, I.
Speaker 2: Mean off the gate. First of all, you don't need
Speaker 2: my validation on how to live your life. I think
Speaker 2: the way you're living your life is spectacular. I really do,
Speaker 2: I mean, I really do. I mean you just you know,
Speaker 2: a just from talking to you for nine minutes, you
Speaker 2: sound extremely happy as a person. Is that true?
Speaker 5: Well? I mean I do struggle with clinical anxiety and
Speaker 5: clinical depression. I say the word clinical because I did
Speaker 5: go to a doctor. I went to a psychologist. I'm
Speaker 5: on medication, so you know, like it is what it is.
Speaker 5: But I've been managing it pretty okay. I see a therapist,
Speaker 5: a real therapist regularly. So I promise you I'm not
Speaker 5: going to like hit you with the with the deep
Speaker 5: stuff today.
Speaker 1: No, this is this.
Speaker 2: Is this is perfect, you know, dude, I'm telling you this.
Speaker 2: Everyone who's telling you like the they're going viral on
Speaker 2: social media, having social media, having money.
Speaker 1: These are all.
Speaker 2: Tools. Ideally, these ideally, these are all means to greater
Speaker 2: ends that we've actually thought about and that we're not
Speaker 2: just pursuing for the sake of pursuing them, you know.
Speaker 1: And so it sounds to me that your greater end.
Speaker 2: Is it sounds like you've thought about what you want
Speaker 2: out of life, and it sounds like what you want
Speaker 2: is a is a nice, quiet life where you can
Speaker 2: make art and be happy and be with your friends
Speaker 2: and hang out and not have to deal with fucking
Speaker 2: crazy people. Correct, And it sounds like and and you know, look,
Speaker 2: if you told me you had a different dream and
Speaker 2: the way to get to that dream was through you know,
Speaker 2: the tools that social media and money can provide. I
Speaker 2: would say you should go for it, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like what's going on.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, definitely not. I mean, I got like
Speaker 5: a college degree, so I am educated. I am like
Speaker 5: capable of getting a different job. It's just that every
Speaker 5: time I do it never really works out. Uber's just
Speaker 5: been like the one thing that's consistently paid my bills
Speaker 5: through it all. So I'm like, at this point, why
Speaker 5: I fight it? This is my job now, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean also, here's another thing. I swear to god.
Speaker 2: I was just I was talking to my friend about
Speaker 2: this all day to day. How long have you not
Speaker 2: had social media for?
Speaker 5: We're going on like about two years ish, And I
Speaker 5: mean like that the story about the post that I
Speaker 5: made actually happened probably about four or five years ago.
Speaker 5: But I was still like terminally online after that, like
Speaker 5: checking Twitter for stuff, and you know, every time I
Speaker 5: opened one of those apps, I noticed that there was
Speaker 5: just something new to be angry about. Dude, and I
Speaker 5: was just so tired all the time.
Speaker 2: How'd you find me? By the way, if you're not
Speaker 2: on social media, so like.
Speaker 5: I don't post or anything. I do, uh like scroll
Speaker 5: through YouTube shorts. I watch a lot of those, like
Speaker 5: the Minecraft parkour while people read out memes let me
Speaker 5: do Yeah.
Speaker 1: So funny.
Speaker 2: I was about to be like, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: people watching these days? And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: know exactly what she's talking about. I've watched a bunch
Speaker 2: of those videos, like yeah, no.
Speaker 5: I love those things. They're a curated feed. I don't
Speaker 5: have to see any car crashes. I don't have to
Speaker 5: see any like horrific guys running through parades with a truck,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's it's just nice.
Speaker 1: Dude, Jenny.
Speaker 2: I if you can live your life, if you can
Speaker 2: live your life without social.
Speaker 1: Media, you really really really should.
Speaker 2: You know, I have some I'm on social media because well,
Speaker 2: my excuse is that it's for my job, but really
Speaker 2: it's just because I'm addicted to it like everyone else is.
Speaker 1: But like when I when I phones off, when I
Speaker 1: when I don't have.
Speaker 2: Social media, like, it's just such a profound source of
Speaker 2: anxiety for me and for for so many people that
Speaker 2: I know, and and you know, it's it's hard to
Speaker 2: just fucking rail on it right because the reason that
Speaker 2: you and I are talking right now, the reason that
Speaker 2: you know I'm able to tour the country and and
Speaker 2: and you know, get to talk to so many people
Speaker 2: and do all this amazing stuff I get to do.
Speaker 2: Is is because of you know, using social media and
Speaker 2: going viral as a tool as a means to an
Speaker 2: end for me to get to do those things. But
Speaker 2: it comes with the great cost of like just anxiety,
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, you know, like that that
Speaker 2: Instagram post that you're constantly obsessed with the comments of
Speaker 2: of like getting other people's opinion, getting other people's opinion,
Speaker 2: not just not just other people's opinions about your life,
Speaker 2: but just other people's opinions in general. You're scrolling through
Speaker 2: TikTok and someone's like dating in twenty twenty four, be
Speaker 2: like and it's like.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you have to fucking like.
Speaker 2: It just makes you forced to care about everything everyone says,
Speaker 2: and it's just a fucking total nightmare. So I'm really
Speaker 2: telling you, Jenny, if you don't mind, you don't need
Speaker 2: my validation. But here it is like, if you can
Speaker 2: have a happy, fulfilled life just making art and hang
Speaker 2: out with your friends, it's you're gonna have a thousand
Speaker 2: times more of a positive experience doing that than you know,
Speaker 2: anything that you would find hanging out on Instagram.
Speaker 1: So I think you're making a great decision. I don't
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 2: Like money and fame should be pursued to the max
Speaker 2: for the sake of themselves, just for the sake of it,
Speaker 2: just because just just because you have other people telling you,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you could be so viral doing this, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like legitimately, last week, I want to say, there
Speaker 5: was a woman who came out of this fancy party
Speaker 5: that I was taking somewhere, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I know all these people that can help
Speaker 5: you get famous, Like I'm going to get you in
Speaker 5: contact with a newspaper guy that I know, and like
Speaker 5: she tried to take down my information and I'm like, no,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't give out my phone number, but
Speaker 5: you know, like have wonderful I.
Speaker 2: Great, dude, dude, dude, look, dude, if if that person
Speaker 2: were here's the thing and it's about gut because if
Speaker 2: that person we're talking to you and you were like,
Speaker 2: oh that sounds cool, that sounds fun. Oh I can
Speaker 2: make this into a business and I can make more money,
Speaker 2: and like there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong. With wanting
Speaker 2: to make money, but it's there's been nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: not wanting to do anything. It's about what you want
Speaker 2: out of your life, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: you get to decide that, not whether not other anyone else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I've been trying to so every
Speaker 5: time they ask, I'm like, no, thank you're not interested.
Speaker 5: And they're like, but you could be making so much
Speaker 5: money and I'm like, I'm good man, i might be
Speaker 5: like my bank account might be negative. I'm like this
Speaker 5: close to losing health insurance because I haven't been able
Speaker 5: to pay it lately because whatever, you know, Bill's but
Speaker 5: you know, like at the end of the day, I
Speaker 5: would sincerely rather struggle because like I you know, I
Speaker 5: used to live in Los Angeles and one time, one
Speaker 5: time I got the Papa Razzi treatment. Like I pull
Speaker 5: up with my art car and uh, the people like
Speaker 5: notice that I have this donut pillow that I used
Speaker 5: to like rest my arm on, and they're like they're
Speaker 5: like flashing their cameras at me, and they're like, I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is awful. My eyes Burt.
Speaker 1: M dude, I am.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I'm genuinely very curious about this.
Speaker 2: I know you called in and you were like, I
Speaker 2: want your validation or your condemnation. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if you called in just to you know, Uh, this
Speaker 2: has been a great call. I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed. I
Speaker 2: really do enjoy talking about this genuinely.
Speaker 1: Is is.
Speaker 2: Validation on your decision to live your life in this
Speaker 2: way of really a thing that you struggle with?
Speaker 5: I mean it's because it happens uh so often. It's
Speaker 5: it's just like, am I crazy? Like is this something
Speaker 5: that other people would tell me? Like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: you're absolutely insane. You need to you need to give
Speaker 5: into this pressure. You need to create your own business.
Speaker 5: You need to like go into that so that you
Speaker 5: can afford the startup costs and like then you'll be
Speaker 5: happy because you'll not be struggling anymore. And I'm just not.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just doesn't interest me. I mean, uh, like,
Speaker 5: I just the reason that I called in was because
Speaker 5: I it's it's not that God, I'm sorry. So I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess I wanted other people's opinions to like maybe
Speaker 5: say more definitively because I know you guys in the
Speaker 5: comments will like sometimes respond to callers as well, So
Speaker 5: I check the comments if anybody else would like to say,
Speaker 5: you know, this person is not like, oh she's a nightmare.
Speaker 4: Oh but but.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that. First of all, nobody's gonna say that.
Speaker 2: Second of all, even if they do, that doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: because it's not.
Speaker 1: That that.
Speaker 2: What people say is not the important variable here. The
Speaker 2: important variable here is what you want to do with
Speaker 2: your life and what decisions you think are right for you.
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I mean, I just I don't want
Speaker 5: to become a CEO. I don't want to like have
Speaker 5: a billion followers. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 5: to go on Jimmy Fallon or anything like that. I
Speaker 5: just I enjoy making things with my hands. I enjoy
Speaker 5: like how you can kind of get in the zone
Speaker 5: and it's sort of like an all existing presence in
Speaker 5: the moment. And dude, just like how art is for me.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I mean, here's here's the thing. Dude. It's tough, and
Speaker 2: I think about it. I try to not be a
Speaker 2: hypocrite and like, you know, think about this, you know
Speaker 2: in terms of like my own work and everything. But
Speaker 2: like you know at the end of the day, man, Like,
Speaker 2: the all you get for being recognized for the process
Speaker 2: of what you do.
Speaker 1: Is you get to do more of the process.
Speaker 2: The reward is always just more of the process. So
Speaker 2: you better fucking like the process. And if all you
Speaker 2: like is the process, then all you need is the process.
Speaker 2: You can you can be happy. You don't need to
Speaker 2: be on fucking Jimmy Fallon. If you if you're seriously
Speaker 2: so happy making art and you're happy doing it in
Speaker 2: your garage for no one, then just be happy doing
Speaker 2: it in your garage for no one. Don't let anyone
Speaker 2: tell you that you shouldn't be happy doing that.
Speaker 5: I think file, I No, I really mean that.
Speaker 2: I really mean that. It's it's a it's a really weird,
Speaker 2: crazy thing, you know, and that that's that's that's that's
Speaker 2: really that's really just all you have, dude, is like,
Speaker 2: what are you actually doing at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: what are you actually creating?
Speaker 5: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And and by the way, like, I don't think there's
Speaker 2: anything wrong with some people like I just enjoy the
Speaker 2: process of Like if you want, if you wanted to
Speaker 2: become the art car lady, you know, if you if
Speaker 2: you enjoyed the process of creating a brand, if you
Speaker 2: enjoyed the if you were excited at the idea of
Speaker 2: making money doing this, you know, then that's that's great.
Speaker 2: That's I don't think that that's something that's to be villainized.
Speaker 2: But it's again, it doesn't matter. It's it's what you
Speaker 2: want to do at the end of the day. And
Speaker 2: and it sounds like to me, what you want to
Speaker 2: do is live your fucking life. Girl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty you have.
Speaker 2: I got a question. I got a question. I got
Speaker 2: a question. And even if it's just for me, I
Speaker 2: won't post it anywhere. I kind of I kind of
Speaker 2: want to see this car oh.
Speaker 5: I mean like I can text.
Speaker 2: You, yeah, you do you like? Do you even I
Speaker 2: guess I don't wanna. I don't want to invalidate this
Speaker 2: entire conversation we just had. But do you even have
Speaker 2: like do you have a website or anything? Do you
Speaker 2: have anything pictures of it, not not to sell, just
Speaker 2: just just to see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I can. I can text you the video
Speaker 5: that I have.
Speaker 2: Let me see, text me, text me a video, even
Speaker 2: even after the call, text me the video.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a look.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. Maybe I'll maybe i'll post it
Speaker 2: in uh in discord only if that's cool with you,
Speaker 2: because I know I know other people are gonna want
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess so.
Speaker 2: If you do that, that ass if you don't want,
Speaker 2: if you don't want use it, I want to see it.
Speaker 2: So if you want, if you want to send it
Speaker 2: to me, I'll just take a look. I won't post
Speaker 2: it anywhere. I'll do it in with it.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, all right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what i'll do. That's what i'll do. Everyone
Speaker 2: listening to this can fuck off.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I mean it's it's a lot that is
Speaker 5: like in person because you know, you can't request me
Speaker 5: or anything like specifically. So half of the half of
Speaker 5: the like fun is just thinking you're getting a normal
Speaker 5: ubercar and then you walk in and it's.
Speaker 2: Like that's cool, dude. See that's the thing, man, is
Speaker 2: like just just doing it for that, just doing it
Speaker 2: for the fucking look on people's faces when they get
Speaker 2: in the car, Like that's that's all you need.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I mean, like some of the reactions
Speaker 5: we've gotten have been great, and people are like oh,
Speaker 5: you know, like you should make a reaction compilation and
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's in my head, bitch.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: What was that? What was the fake name I gave you? Again?
Speaker 2: Jenny, Jenny, Jenny.
Speaker 1: This was great.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed having this conversation with you. You know,
Speaker 2: before we go, is there anything else that you you
Speaker 2: wanted to get out of this phone call or talk
Speaker 2: about or anything in general before before we head out?
Speaker 5: You know, I would like to say to the people
Speaker 5: of the computer if you are thinking about where your
Speaker 5: life is going, Like I'm thirty and people are always
Speaker 5: saying like, oh, what was the point of view? There
Speaker 5: doesn't need to be a point.
Speaker 2: What do you hold on?
Speaker 1: Real quick? What do you what do you mean?
Speaker 2: What was the point of view?
Speaker 5: Just like legacy wise, like, what are you creating? What
Speaker 5: a value are you adding to this world?
Speaker 2: You are the value I can't believe. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone would be saying that about you. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're clearly you're clearly adding value to the world. But
Speaker 2: I mean you don't. You don't even have to do
Speaker 2: anything as amazing as a fucking make a whole art
Speaker 2: car to add value to the world. You can just yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even I don't even know
Speaker 2: if I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, No, no, you're good. I was actually just
Speaker 5: about to say that I'm sending it currently totally.
Speaker 2: You were saying, you were saying something. You were saying
Speaker 2: something about you were like, I'm thirty. People are like,
Speaker 2: what's the point of view you wanted to say something?
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I am, like, I'm about to be thirty
Speaker 5: on Monday, and yeah, thank you. But you know, I, uh,
Speaker 5: I didn't. I went to college and you know, I
Speaker 5: didn't end up like in a super important position. And
Speaker 5: like I see people younger than me achieving so much
Speaker 5: more than me, and it's just like comparing myself to
Speaker 5: other people. You don't.
Speaker 3: Mean to.
Speaker 5: Like if you if, I mean, I personally feel like
Speaker 5: I'm achieving not necessarily my best life, but I'm on
Speaker 5: the way there. So like, if if the people of
Speaker 5: the computer would like to just simply exist, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's okay too, I would think.
Speaker 2: Any keep keep doing your thing, dude, keep making art,
Speaker 2: keep uh, keep keep doing your thing, dude. I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's great.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, guys, have a.
Speaker 2: Rest of the night.
Speaker 1: Jenny, thanks for calling.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Bye bye bye.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: I really I really did like that call. It's weird, man,
Speaker 2: I think about this is actually something I really genuinely do.
Speaker 1: Think about a lot, because you know, I do this
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I do it because it's
Speaker 1: my job, it is how I make a living.
Speaker 2: I do it because it's enabled me to have, you know,
Speaker 2: crazy opportunities to go places and meet people I would
Speaker 2: never have otherwise.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm trying to kind of.
Speaker 2: Stay stay connected with like the fucking just joy of
Speaker 2: the process because like, dude, dude, fucking recording this podcast
Speaker 2: can be very difficult sometimes. But but you know, even
Speaker 2: just honestly, even just now, just you know, talking to
Speaker 2: talking to Jenny over the past half hour, that felt
Speaker 2: that felt good. I I really I enjoyed that. I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the process of being able to record that conversation,
Speaker 2: package it up, fucking have other people be able to
Speaker 2: listen to it and then use the money from doing
Speaker 2: that to go buy a sandwich afterwards. That's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying that.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'd be dude, that'd be insane if I have
Speaker 2: no idea where she lives or whatever. But oh, she
Speaker 2: sent me a video of the car. Oh crap, it's
Speaker 2: super pixelated. Oh I can kind of see it. Well,
Speaker 2: this is super sick. This is a total Cocktai used
Speaker 2: to talk about sick of the car is because I
Speaker 2: I Am not going to post this video anywhere, but
Speaker 2: it's a sick car. There's no call to action. There's
Speaker 2: no way to follow Jenny. There's no website. You know what,
Speaker 2: you know what you can do, you can you can
Speaker 2: follow fucking I don't know, follow, follow Jenny's spirit whatever
Speaker 2: whatever that may be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was cool man, rock on.
Speaker 4: All from Stephen. Hello, is this a real get go?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is this Stephen?
Speaker 4: Yes? This is Stephen.
Speaker 1: What's up Stephen?
Speaker 3: Not much.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised I got through. Yeah. I was thinking if
Speaker 4: I did get through, what would I talk about? And
Speaker 4: I've been having an issue lately. I started a new
Speaker 4: job this year and I had to start working hybrids.
Speaker 4: So I go into the office a few days a
Speaker 4: week and I work from home the other days. And
Speaker 4: the problem I'm having is I'm meeting a lot of
Speaker 4: new people, and I kind of know that I'm not
Speaker 4: going to like really hang out with these people beyond
Speaker 4: the work life, and so I don't really know how
Speaker 4: to talk to them. I'm having a hard time like
Speaker 4: socializing properly. I think I think people think maybe I'm
Speaker 4: like weird or too focused on work because I don't
Speaker 4: really know what's else to start up conversations about.
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 4: Thirty six?
Speaker 2: Okay? And has this been like an issue throughout your life?
Speaker 4: No. Before COVID, I was like a lot more social.
Speaker 4: Would definitely go out a lot more and meet a
Speaker 4: lot of people that I don't hang out with to
Speaker 4: this day. But I was definitely a lot more like
Speaker 4: friendly or actually curious about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, curiosity, And do you do you feel like your curiosity.
Speaker 1: And other people has like waned as you've gotten older.
Speaker 4: It has waned pretty far. Yeah, yeah, And I don't
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but it would kind of
Speaker 2: make sense, right, Like, as you get older and as
Speaker 2: you get a little tired, you have to kind of
Speaker 2: like start making more concerned effort to care about things
Speaker 2: in a way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, and and like people I'm interacting with.
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a project manager, so I have to
Speaker 4: talk to a lot of people. So it's it's actually
Speaker 4: becoming like a for me. It's becoming something I'm becoming
Speaker 4: self conscious with because I'm interacting with a lot of
Speaker 4: new people and I don't really I have a hard
Speaker 4: time caring about I'm like, yeah, okay, but I don't
Speaker 4: really know how much further to go outside of like
Speaker 4: specific work type of conversations.
Speaker 2: So no, everyone's kind of and the people don't like
Speaker 2: to a minute, but everyone's kind of been there where
Speaker 2: you're like at an office and you're talking to someone
Speaker 2: and they're telling you about their weekend or their dog,
Speaker 2: and in your mind and you're just like, I I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I wish I was like a nice, cool guy all
Speaker 2: the time, but I just don't fucking.
Speaker 1: Care at all. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they're like something that I like, an approach that
Speaker 4: I can take that would like make me at least
Speaker 4: come across a little bit more like I do care.
Speaker 1: Why do you want to come across like you care?
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question. I just feel like as
Speaker 4: my role at my job kind of has me in
Speaker 4: front of a lot of people. My I feel like
Speaker 4: the perception of people that they have of me is
Speaker 4: kind of impactful to like how effective I can be,
Speaker 4: especially if this person that I'm having a hard time
Speaker 4: connecting with is someone who is like a customer, like
Speaker 4: I'm going to deliver a project for you, but I'm
Speaker 4: you know, I just I want to make sure I
Speaker 4: come across friendly, but I'm having a hard time figuring
Speaker 4: out thereat approach.
Speaker 2: MM are you having problem? Are you having trouble just
Speaker 2: like you're having trouble coming across as a as a
Speaker 2: friendly person?
Speaker 1: Is it just because like you don't you don't give
Speaker 1: a shit?
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty friendly. I just don't. I think
Speaker 4: I come across really shallow because I'm like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: anything interesting on your side of the office?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Which doesn't? I don't know? What do you really question?
Speaker 2: What do you what do you really want to talk
Speaker 2: to people about? What do you really want to talk
Speaker 2: to people about?
Speaker 4: It would be more I guess more, what do I
Speaker 4: want to talk to people about? Honestly, it'd be more
Speaker 4: interesting if I was if they were just like, hey,
Speaker 4: tell me about you. It'd probably be more interesting to
Speaker 4: like tell them about me rather than to like listen
Speaker 4: to them, because sometimes I have a hard time like
Speaker 4: listening to other people because of the way that they talk.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it can be really boring, or what they do
Speaker 4: talk about can be really boring. So it's easier if
Speaker 4: they're like, what about what do you think about that?
Speaker 4: It's like, well, good, at least maybe I can maybe
Speaker 4: I can say something, and I'm very good at responding.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to like interacting and engaging with people,
Speaker 4: I think I've lost my touch, Like pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Are you ever in a conversation and you just try
Speaker 2: to say something crazy to make it more interesting? Have
Speaker 2: you ever done that?
Speaker 4: I feel like I used to be more like a
Speaker 4: shock value before COVID. Definitely pre COVID was like more
Speaker 4: would say things to get get like the shock value
Speaker 4: from people.
Speaker 1: I did that recently.
Speaker 2: I was at a bar and I was talking to
Speaker 2: someone and I wasn't really interested in it, and so
Speaker 2: I said to them, when's the last time you thought
Speaker 2: about killing yourself? And without missing a beat, they were
Speaker 2: like I think that I and the without missing a beat,
Speaker 2: they were like, I think thelast time I thought about
Speaker 2: killing myself was like three years ago, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think me, I think probably me. Two man, And
Speaker 2: then we both we talked about times we thought about
Speaker 2: killing ourselves and it worked really well. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I took that chance.
Speaker 4: You know, that's a big chance.
Speaker 2: Is it really?
Speaker 4: I could have gone? That could have gone a different direction,
Speaker 4: I guess, but it sounds like it went a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm trying to think if I how shock
Speaker 4: Value would work with my.
Speaker 2: I'm not even I'm talking about Shockval. I'm not even
Speaker 2: talking about Shockval. I'm just saying, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: why do you want to be a project manager?
Speaker 4: I thought that I wanted to be, but it went
Speaker 4: well with my skill set. I would say that's probably
Speaker 4: the most corporate type of answer I could give you,
Speaker 4: But it felt right and it was a good opportunity.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could go all in. You could just
Speaker 2: be super fake, you know, you could just be in
Speaker 2: there talking about uh.
Speaker 4: Don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like like sometimes when I when I'm talking to people
Speaker 2: in like an office or corporate or professional setting, they
Speaker 2: talk about like restaurants, they've been to.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's very common. Yeah, very I do find myself
Speaker 4: in that conversation a lot. Do you go to restaurants ever,
Speaker 4: I recently, I really don't like being in public restaurants.
Speaker 4: By I find myself doing takeout or like grub hub.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So when people talk about restaurants, I'm like, yeah, I've
Speaker 4: I've had that dropped off at my door. But you know,
Speaker 4: I don't really know what the vibe is at the place.
Speaker 2: People talk about restaurants, they talk about tent they talk
Speaker 2: about sports.
Speaker 3: Sports is popular.
Speaker 4: I I did used to work at at Nike, which
Speaker 4: which made it way easier to talk to people about
Speaker 4: things because there's product. Oh yeah, did you see the
Speaker 4: recent shoe or.
Speaker 3: That was cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, see I see, I would I
Speaker 2: want to see. I think it's more interesting to talk
Speaker 2: about the last time you thought about killing yourself.
Speaker 4: That is pretty wild.
Speaker 2: I think probably I probably wouldn't do that in the office,
Speaker 2: but who knows, I don't know. Maybe you know, maybe.
Speaker 4: The last time you thought about quitting. Maybe I could
Speaker 4: start asking people.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, that's a version of that, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Be like and like why who who made you want
Speaker 4: to quit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I don't know, it could get.
Speaker 2: Really dark, but yeah, get dark, go crazy. Why not,
Speaker 2: You're gonna die. I'm gonna die. What What are we
Speaker 2: wasting our time when you're talking about restaurants? For god,
Speaker 2: I hate it so much. I hate it so much.
Speaker 2: I don't I've never been. I don't go to fucking restaurants.
Speaker 2: I eat a Dell Taco and everyone wants to talk
Speaker 2: about fucking restaurants. I don't know anything about any of this,
Speaker 2: ship that any people. I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: to talk to people about.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of negativity around Del Taco. I think
Speaker 4: I think people have negative feelings towards that place. Does
Speaker 4: that bother you or change your opinion.
Speaker 2: About Del Taco? No, I don't care at all if
Speaker 2: people don't like Del Taco.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about your life and this thing
Speaker 2: that you're thinking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think maybe it's maybe it's the I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I need to care more, but
Speaker 4: I find that hard.
Speaker 2: No, I think you should. I think you should care
Speaker 2: less about this. I think you should care less. I
Speaker 2: think you should not. Here's like I think, don't like
Speaker 2: take consideration into like, don't be a dick to people
Speaker 2: or say anything that's outwardly mean or obnoxious. But other
Speaker 2: than but if as long as you're not doing as
Speaker 2: long as you're not being actively hostile or mean or
Speaker 2: obnoxious to people, say whatever, who gives a shit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good I think it's
Speaker 4: really good advice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just as long because that's the thing.
Speaker 2: As long as you are are actively making sure you're
Speaker 2: not like being a dick, then you can, I mean,
Speaker 2: say whatever, who cares?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of thought that goes into like
Speaker 4: if the things I do say out loud could come
Speaker 4: back to haunt me and.
Speaker 2: See somebody in the chat just said articulated speech comes
Speaker 2: across as mean, what the fuck are they talking about?
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit? Who cans? Then somebody, even if
Speaker 2: somebody does get upset at you about why, I don't like,
Speaker 2: what what's it matter?
Speaker 1: You're trying your best? God damn it.
Speaker 4: So if I like, is that like over articulation where
Speaker 4: you're assuming that they don't like understand?
Speaker 2: No, no, No, The point is who cares what that chatter said. Oh,
Speaker 2: they're not in your life, They're in Arizona somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It does not matter at all.
Speaker 2: There we go. I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: any of this is making sense. I'm hoping this is
Speaker 2: helpful to you in some way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, definitely opening up my mind a lot.
Speaker 4: I really, I'm like super glad that I've got through.
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, Steven. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Hope everybody's having a good night, And yeah, thank you,
Speaker 4: thank you for the help. But thanks for opening my mind.
Speaker 2: Good good. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4: Stephen, Thank you, take care, talk to you later.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid I might have actually created a monster. Never
Speaker 1: be Ken goes on the line taking your phone calls
Speaker 1: every night. Never be Can goes to on his eye.
Speaker 2: He's teaching you about in the
Speaker 1: Middle of your life, but he's not really an expert.