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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Is this Aiden?

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Speaker 3: This is Aid? Is this Lyle going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, this is this is Lyle. How's it going dude?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You know, well not too bad. I actually, uh, I've

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Speaker 3: met you twice in uh uh Saint Louis at your

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Speaker 3: live show.

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Speaker 2: Oh fucking cool? Fuck yeah fuck yeah, dude, Saint Louis

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Speaker 2: is always a great time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it was a good time.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: You might remember me. I was, uh, the bald dude

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Speaker 3: with the big red beard.

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Speaker 2: I really, do you know what? Here's the thing, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. I here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I don't remember anybody's.

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Speaker 2: Name, and uh I I but like, if you, if

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Speaker 2: you tell me something, if like we talked about something,

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Speaker 2: I'll remember that. Do you remember what we taught what

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Speaker 2: we talked about?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first time I made a joke about how

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Speaker 3: you're taller in person, okay, because I thought you were

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Speaker 3: a little shorter in person, to be honest, it didn't

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Speaker 3: really land. So then the second time I came back

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Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, remember that joke. I told

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Speaker 3: you it wasn't really that funny.

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Speaker 2: Well, Aiden, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and wipe those other two times from

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Speaker 2: from uh from my memory, although I guess I didn't

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: We are on the phone together right now. What's up, man?

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Speaker 2: How you doing? How's life?

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Speaker 1: We're on the phone, We're chatting, We're chatting. What'd you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know I texted in these pasts like forty

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Speaker 3: eight out. Well, I guess since like Thursday has been

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Speaker 3: pretty pretty strange, I kind of got like a stalker.

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Speaker 3: Have you Have you watched Baby Reindeer on Netflix?

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Speaker 2: I have not, but I've heard about it.

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Speaker 3: It's I'm like kind of getting Baby reindeered right now.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of chilled out over the past twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: But like it was, it was weird. So so what.

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Speaker 4: Happened was this?

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Speaker 3: Uh So, let me give you a little backstory. There

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Speaker 3: was this girl that I knew in I knew her

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Speaker 3: since like high school and I'm twenty four now, but

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Speaker 3: I knew her in like high school. She was a

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Speaker 3: sort of you know gen'erally, I know, he told her

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Speaker 3: that well, but you know, we would talk every once

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Speaker 3: in a while, and then after high school we sort

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Speaker 3: like Snapchat, and this is a you know, like twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one at this point. I graduated twenty eighteen, so

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Speaker 3: her roommates and stuff, and then you know, one thing

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Speaker 3: said actually end up hooking up. We were sort of

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Speaker 3: it ended pretty mutually.

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Speaker 3: She was like, hey, I'm kind of catching feelings. We

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Speaker 3: you know that's cool, being totally respectful of that and

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Speaker 3: all that. And then she gets with this other guy

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Speaker 3: and she blocks me on everything, which is I figured

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Speaker 3: it was whatever, you know, this she's she's making a

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Speaker 3: She's like cutting off all her other past situationships or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense.

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Speaker 3: So so I you know, I don't hear for her

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Speaker 3: from her for like three years. Like I said, this

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Speaker 3: you another old piece of backstory. So I was in

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Speaker 3: this band. We were moderately popular. I won't say any

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Speaker 3: this past Thursday, my old bassist from that band, that

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Speaker 3: he texted me. He's like, hey, you know, what's what's

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Speaker 3: going on with this poem and everything. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: hundreds well there's like this poem and then like hundreds

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Speaker 3: of other posts by this person, the girl that i'd

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Speaker 3: you know, not spoken to in three years, and it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of poems about like it starts

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Speaker 3: talks about how she's how all the songs are about her,

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Speaker 3: And it starts out like that, and it doesn't start

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Speaker 3: out like super negative. At first. It's a little weird,

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Speaker 3: like you can see, like there's tons of posts. So

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Speaker 3: she started posting like a week ago, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: about how I like physically like lured her out and

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Speaker 3: tried to kill her, and again I haven't spoken to

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Speaker 3: this woman in three years, and it's just a lot

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Speaker 3: of weird stuff. Sorry, I'm kind of rambling right.

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Speaker 2: Now, but no, no, no, no, no, no, uh, I can't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she says, she says that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: have tried to kill her like others she's posting. Everything

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I find out it all on this Thursday,

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Speaker 3: Because she's like reaching out to everybody I know and

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Speaker 3: like she didn't. Well, she did message me directly, but

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Speaker 3: I had like deleted Instagram from my phone for a

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what she had. I still don't know

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Speaker 3: like I said, there's tons of people are calling and

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been weird.

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Speaker 1: You ever wanted you ever want you ever wanted to

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Not too much. I mean, you know, she she has

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Speaker 3: It's also funny too. She she kind of said that

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Speaker 2: You think that the band breaking up sent her into

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we made the post. We made like a

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Speaker 2: Hey, the band is Let me ask me, I'm curious,

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Speaker 3: No, No, She's definitely having like some sort of episode.

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Speaker 3: Like at first I didn't know like if that was

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Speaker 2: Okay, and when's the last Like, well, I get I

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Speaker 2: want you know, at the beginning of this, you said

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Speaker 2: you read in the text. You said, I am kind

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Speaker 2: of being stalked, but it's chill. Tell me tell me

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Speaker 2: about uh how it has gotten chill. Are you just

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Speaker 2: kind of like you're not? I assume you're, yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: what's what's how have you been been able to be chill? Well?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that she's I mean, she has made

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Speaker 3: definitely some remarks about like, you know, he should be

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Speaker 3: like that. But ultimately I don't think that she's like

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Speaker 3: I did go to the cops at one point after

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Speaker 3: she said that I had my brother held hostage, just

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Speaker 3: because she said that she was going to the cops, which,

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Speaker 3: you know, whatever, but I just didn't want to get swatted.

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Speaker 3: I don't want them to think about as hostage here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The cops, I mean they were they were fuck all help,

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Speaker 3: you know. They were like, oh, did you know that

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Speaker 3: she is her First Amendment right?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, whatever, Oh yeah, did they really

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Speaker 2: say that, dude?

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Speaker 3: They were like they were like, well, technically that's all

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Speaker 3: the First Amendment right to free speech, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: That's super that's by the way, that's I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not a fucking lawyer, but like, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure that the I'm pretty sure that the First

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was in like a few bands at the time.

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Speaker 2: Cool man, Well, I look over your shoulder when you

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Speaker 2: But I mean, it's so coral. It is crazy that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, zero contact. And you know, initially, whenever she was

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Speaker 2: Well, look, man, that's just her right to free speech.

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Speaker 3: Right to free speech. Yeah, I'm gonna start. My brother

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Speaker 3: Well nothing yet. I'm still a I'm still a filtering

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably I think it's probably best

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Speaker 3: Baby Reindeer. It's a good show.

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Speaker 2: You shall watch it, Okay, all right, I'll check it out.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was uh, I thought it was fucking

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Speaker 3: Nah, Well it's a it's about a stand up comedian,

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Speaker 3: well like a kind of small time stand up comedian,

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Speaker 1: Well, you're going you're Dave, right, Aiden?

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Speaker 2: Aiden? What damn it? Someone else called in is Dave.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I like Dave. It's a good name.

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Speaker 2: I like Dave too. I like Dave too. Well, Aidan,

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Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for sharing. Uh I I hope everything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm hoping so too.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

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Speaker 3: Go, Uh, not that the people computer, but I do

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Speaker 3: I think you should go back on the H three

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Speaker 3: I love your your episodes together.

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Speaker 2: Thanks yet, dude, It's crazy how many yeah, dude, so

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Speaker 2: many people when I when I, when I do my life,

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Speaker 2: I've shows and I meet people afterwhard It's like there's

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Speaker 2: I know that those those universes are definitely on a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I actually I actually found well, I knew

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Speaker 3: you first. I know you said, oh really.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that. That's a new one. I've not I

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Speaker 2: I have not heard anyone who I have introduced it to.

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Speaker 2: The to H three, I mean they're huge.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I've heard of them before, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I didn't really start watching the until after you were

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, one for me. Hell ya, Well thanks

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Speaker 2: for calling Aiden and uh good luck and don't uh

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Speaker 2: the back of your fucking head, bro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll let you know that the at the next

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Speaker 3: Saint Louis Live Show whether or not I was murdered.

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Speaker 2: I completely you know what, I completely forgot about that,

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Speaker 2: that whole interaction we had at the beginning of this call.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just say this, because I think you're

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Speaker 2: even though you know what I forgive you. It's your

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Speaker 2: fucking freedom of speech. It's your First Amendment right to

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Speaker 2: I'm a little little No, I'm no, I'm I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a I'm a teeny tiny, itty bitty ah little little guy.

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Speaker 3: You're taller than the average.

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Speaker 2: Get go oky, take care of.

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Is this Lile?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Hello? What is your name?

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Speaker 5: You can give me a name if you want.

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Speaker 1: I can give you a name if I want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you Lyle.

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Speaker 2: You're Lyle. We're both Lyle.

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Speaker 5: Excellent works for me. Good t me Toole.

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Speaker 2: Lyle. What's up?

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Speaker 1: How's life? How's it going?

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Speaker 5: It's you know, it could be better, but I guess

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Speaker 5: that's why I'm calling it so.

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Speaker 2: Lyle. You you texted me and you said something I

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be what tell me?

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Speaker 2: Tell me more?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 5: Okay, I am an Uber driver, uh, and I am

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Speaker 2: Do you know that?

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Speaker 5: Right? I like, I have my doubts, but okay, So

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Speaker 5: not every Uber driver can can afford to spend stuff

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Speaker 2: So, so so you're the plan is you're so you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, correct, okay, And like, honestly, there were just

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Speaker 5: was like considering taking the whole thing down and just

438
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 5: being a plaine ubercar again. And my brother he actually

439
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 5: he actually stole my phone and he was like, hey,

440
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 5: you know, there was some sort of new update to

441
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 5: the phone. Can I like see yours to compare it?

442
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 5: And he like ran away with my phone to the

443
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 5: bathroom for a minute, and he came back out and

444
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 5: he said, hey, I actually deleted this post for you.

445
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 5: You're awesome and don't let these idiots tell you what

446
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: to do with your life. And I was like, oh shit,

447
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 5: that's really nice of you. And like I decided from

448
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 5: that moment on that I was not going to have

449
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: like any sort of social media presence about this. I

450
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: was just going to live my life in person and like,

451
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 5: you know, have the have a nice time, just like

452
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 5: earning money and like living life. So, okay, here's where

453
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 5: I would like to ask you for either validation or condemnation.

454
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So.

455
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 5: I've done this for almost eight years in three different cities.

456
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 5: Each time I have gotten offers of like, oh, I

457
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: can be like a regular passenger for you, we can

458
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 5: do it off of the Uber apps and I'll just

459
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 5: pay you directly, and like they'll like they want to

460
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 5: call me, they want to like hire me, they want

461
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 5: to do news articles about me and such. There have

462
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 5: been people who want to tag me on Instagram stories

463
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 5: and whatnot, and I'm like, I don't have social media,

464
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: so and they're like you should, you should? You would

465
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: go absolutely viral, like you need to have a TikTok live,

466
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 5: And like, honestly, I've looked into the logistics and stuff

467
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 5: of all that, and there are like really good reasons

468
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 5: not to not to like become famous in that sort

469
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 5: of sense. Like there's consent laws for filming you need

470
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 5: to be worried about. There's the general shittiness of invading

471
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 5: somebody's privacy after a long day. There's uh insurance costs

472
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 5: because Uber provides us with insurance and doing it like

473
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 5: through an insurance company would cost like six hundred extra

474
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: dollars on top of the one fifty I already pay

475
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 5: for personal. So it's like I don't want to do that.

476
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 5: I don't want to like give people my number or

477
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: like I don't want to have to have contact with

478
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 5: some of these people because they are they are nuts.

479
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: There are a lot of really crazy people.

480
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: Out There's a crazy people out there.

481
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you know that I saw earlier with the.

482
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: It's something I know from from doing this, That's something

483
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: I know from just being alive on the planet Earth.

484
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, And I just like generally did not want

485
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 5: to give out my information. I do not want to

486
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 5: go viral. I don't want to have a TikTok or

487
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 5: a TikTok live or or whatever presence. And like I'm

488
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: basically turning down potential fame, potential fortune to just live

489
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 5: like a normal what I would consider a quiet life

490
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 5: where I just like I go to a bar, I

491
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: hang out with my friends when I have time off,

492
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 5: you know, like I'm not not on the content grind,

493
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, so.

494
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: This, so this is this You're asking me for validation

495
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: or condemnation on this choice.

496
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 5: Yes, on the choice of like turning down potential money,

497
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 5: wow and like stuff just to be myself and be happy.

498
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: I guess I'm gonna stop. I'm not gonna call you

499
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: Lyle because I want to actually talk to you, and

500
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: I feel like if I call you Lyle, it's gonna

501
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: make a weird So I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna

502
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: call you Jenny. I love I love this call. This

503
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: is so great. This is so awesome. I love this.

504
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: This is great, this is really awesome. How how I

505
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: I before I give my comments? So you've been doing

506
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: this for eight years, just like and and you. It's

507
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: just basically so for eight years. You just you're an artist.

508
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: You have a decked out, cool ass fucking car. People

509
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: love your car. People are are asking you if you

510
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: can be, you know, their personal chauffeur. And it's it's

511
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: become too much. Oh my god, wow, I am dude, Jenny.

512
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I love this, I.

513
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: Mean off the gate. First of all, you don't need

514
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: my validation on how to live your life. I think

515
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: the way you're living your life is spectacular. I really do,

516
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I really do. I mean you just you know,

517
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: a just from talking to you for nine minutes, you

518
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: sound extremely happy as a person. Is that true?

519
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: Well? I mean I do struggle with clinical anxiety and

520
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: clinical depression. I say the word clinical because I did

521
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 5: go to a doctor. I went to a psychologist. I'm

522
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: on medication, so you know, like it is what it is.

523
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: But I've been managing it pretty okay. I see a therapist,

524
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: a real therapist regularly. So I promise you I'm not

525
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: going to like hit you with the with the deep

526
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: stuff today.

527
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: No, this is this.

528
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Is this is perfect, you know, dude, I'm telling you this.

529
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Everyone who's telling you like the they're going viral on

530
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: social media, having social media, having money.

531
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: These are all.

532
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: Tools. Ideally, these ideally, these are all means to greater

533
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: ends that we've actually thought about and that we're not

534
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: just pursuing for the sake of pursuing them, you know.

535
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: And so it sounds to me that your greater end.

536
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: Is it sounds like you've thought about what you want

537
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: out of life, and it sounds like what you want

538
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: is a is a nice, quiet life where you can

539
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: make art and be happy and be with your friends

540
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: and hang out and not have to deal with fucking

541
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: crazy people. Correct, And it sounds like and and you know, look,

542
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: if you told me you had a different dream and

543
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: the way to get to that dream was through you know,

544
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: the tools that social media and money can provide. I

545
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: would say you should go for it, but that doesn't

546
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: sound like what's going on.

547
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, definitely not. I mean, I got like

548
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 5: a college degree, so I am educated. I am like

549
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: capable of getting a different job. It's just that every

550
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: time I do it never really works out. Uber's just

551
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 5: been like the one thing that's consistently paid my bills

552
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: through it all. So I'm like, at this point, why

553
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: I fight it? This is my job now, Yeah, dude.

554
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean also, here's another thing. I swear to god.

555
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: I was just I was talking to my friend about

556
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: this all day to day. How long have you not

557
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: had social media for?

558
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 5: We're going on like about two years ish, And I

559
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: mean like that the story about the post that I

560
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: made actually happened probably about four or five years ago.

561
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: But I was still like terminally online after that, like

562
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: checking Twitter for stuff, and you know, every time I

563
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: opened one of those apps, I noticed that there was

564
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: just something new to be angry about. Dude, and I

565
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: was just so tired all the time.

566
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: How'd you find me? By the way, if you're not

567
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: on social media, so like.

568
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: I don't post or anything. I do, uh like scroll

569
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 5: through YouTube shorts. I watch a lot of those, like

570
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 5: the Minecraft parkour while people read out memes let me

571
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: do Yeah.

572
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: So funny.

573
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: I was about to be like, what the fuck are

574
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: people watching these days? And I was like, oh, I

575
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: know exactly what she's talking about. I've watched a bunch

576
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: of those videos, like yeah, no.

577
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: I love those things. They're a curated feed. I don't

578
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: have to see any car crashes. I don't have to

579
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 5: see any like horrific guys running through parades with a truck,

580
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 5: you know, like it's it's just nice.

581
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: Dude, Jenny.

582
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: I if you can live your life, if you can

583
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: live your life without social.

584
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Media, you really really really should.

585
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: You know, I have some I'm on social media because well,

586
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: my excuse is that it's for my job, but really

587
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: it's just because I'm addicted to it like everyone else is.

588
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: But like when I when I phones off, when I

589
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: when I don't have.

590
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: Social media, like, it's just such a profound source of

591
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: anxiety for me and for for so many people that

592
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: I know, and and you know, it's it's hard to

593
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: just fucking rail on it right because the reason that

594
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: you and I are talking right now, the reason that

595
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: you know I'm able to tour the country and and

596
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: and you know, get to talk to so many people

597
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: and do all this amazing stuff I get to do.

598
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: Is is because of you know, using social media and

599
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: going viral as a tool as a means to an

600
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: end for me to get to do those things. But

601
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: it comes with the great cost of like just anxiety,

602
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, you know, like that that

603
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Instagram post that you're constantly obsessed with the comments of

604
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: of like getting other people's opinion, getting other people's opinion,

605
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: not just not just other people's opinions about your life,

606
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: but just other people's opinions in general. You're scrolling through

607
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: TikTok and someone's like dating in twenty twenty four, be

608
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: like and it's like.

609
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't care what you have to fucking like.

610
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: It just makes you forced to care about everything everyone says,

611
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: and it's just a fucking total nightmare. So I'm really

612
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: telling you, Jenny, if you don't mind, you don't need

613
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: my validation. But here it is like, if you can

614
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: have a happy, fulfilled life just making art and hang

615
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: out with your friends, it's you're gonna have a thousand

616
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: times more of a positive experience doing that than you know,

617
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: anything that you would find hanging out on Instagram.

618
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: So I think you're making a great decision. I don't

619
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: think that.

620
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: Like money and fame should be pursued to the max

621
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: for the sake of themselves, just for the sake of it,

622
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: just because just just because you have other people telling you,

623
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: oh my god, you could be so viral doing this, like.

624
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, like legitimately, last week, I want to say, there

625
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: was a woman who came out of this fancy party

626
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: that I was taking somewhere, and she was like, oh,

627
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: you know, I know all these people that can help

628
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: you get famous, Like I'm going to get you in

629
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: contact with a newspaper guy that I know, and like

630
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: she tried to take down my information and I'm like, no,

631
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't give out my phone number, but

632
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 5: you know, like have wonderful I.

633
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: Great, dude, dude, dude, look, dude, if if that person

634
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: were here's the thing and it's about gut because if

635
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: that person we're talking to you and you were like,

636
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: oh that sounds cool, that sounds fun. Oh I can

637
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: make this into a business and I can make more money,

638
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: and like there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong. With wanting

639
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: to make money, but it's there's been nothing wrong with

640
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: not wanting to do anything. It's about what you want

641
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: out of your life, you know what I mean. And

642
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: you get to decide that, not whether not other anyone else.

643
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I've been trying to so every

644
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: time they ask, I'm like, no, thank you're not interested.

645
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: And they're like, but you could be making so much

646
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: money and I'm like, I'm good man, i might be

647
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: like my bank account might be negative. I'm like this

648
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 5: close to losing health insurance because I haven't been able

649
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: to pay it lately because whatever, you know, Bill's but

650
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: you know, like at the end of the day, I

651
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 5: would sincerely rather struggle because like I you know, I

652
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 5: used to live in Los Angeles and one time, one

653
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: time I got the Papa Razzi treatment. Like I pull

654
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: up with my art car and uh, the people like

655
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 5: notice that I have this donut pillow that I used

656
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: to like rest my arm on, and they're like they're

657
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 5: like flashing their cameras at me, and they're like, I'm like,

658
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is awful. My eyes Burt.

659
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: M dude, I am.

660
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I'm genuinely very curious about this.

661
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: I know you called in and you were like, I

662
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: want your validation or your condemnation. And I don't know

663
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: if you called in just to you know, Uh, this

664
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: has been a great call. I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed. I

665
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: really do enjoy talking about this genuinely.

666
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Is is.

667
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Validation on your decision to live your life in this

668
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: way of really a thing that you struggle with?

669
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 5: I mean it's because it happens uh so often. It's

670
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 5: it's just like, am I crazy? Like is this something

671
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: that other people would tell me? Like, oh, you know,

672
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: you're absolutely insane. You need to you need to give

673
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 5: into this pressure. You need to create your own business.

674
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 5: You need to like go into that so that you

675
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: can afford the startup costs and like then you'll be

676
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 5: happy because you'll not be struggling anymore. And I'm just not.

677
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just doesn't interest me. I mean, uh, like,

678
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: I just the reason that I called in was because

679
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 5: I it's it's not that God, I'm sorry. So I mean,

680
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: I guess I wanted other people's opinions to like maybe

681
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: say more definitively because I know you guys in the

682
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: comments will like sometimes respond to callers as well, So

683
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 5: I check the comments if anybody else would like to say,

684
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 5: you know, this person is not like, oh she's a nightmare.

685
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: Oh but but.

686
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.

687
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that. First of all, nobody's gonna say that.

688
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: Second of all, even if they do, that doesn't matter,

689
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: because it's not.

690
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: That that.

691
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: What people say is not the important variable here. The

692
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: important variable here is what you want to do with

693
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: your life and what decisions you think are right for you.

694
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I mean, I just I don't want

695
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 5: to become a CEO. I don't want to like have

696
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 5: a billion followers. I don't want to I don't want

697
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 5: to go on Jimmy Fallon or anything like that. I

698
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 5: just I enjoy making things with my hands. I enjoy

699
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: like how you can kind of get in the zone

700
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 5: and it's sort of like an all existing presence in

701
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 5: the moment. And dude, just like how art is for me.

702
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: Man.

703
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean, here's here's the thing. Dude. It's tough, and

704
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: I think about it. I try to not be a

705
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: hypocrite and like, you know, think about this, you know

706
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: in terms of like my own work and everything. But

707
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: like you know at the end of the day, man, Like,

708
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: the all you get for being recognized for the process

709
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: of what you do.

710
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Is you get to do more of the process.

711
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: The reward is always just more of the process. So

712
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: you better fucking like the process. And if all you

713
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: like is the process, then all you need is the process.

714
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: You can you can be happy. You don't need to

715
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: be on fucking Jimmy Fallon. If you if you're seriously

716
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: so happy making art and you're happy doing it in

717
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: your garage for no one, then just be happy doing

718
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: it in your garage for no one. Don't let anyone

719
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: tell you that you shouldn't be happy doing that.

720
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: I think file, I No, I really mean that.

721
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: I really mean that. It's it's a it's a really weird,

722
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: crazy thing, you know, and that that's that's that's that's

723
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: really that's really just all you have, dude, is like,

724
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: what are you actually doing at the end of the day,

725
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: what are you actually creating?

726
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 5: You know? Yeah?

727
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: And and by the way, like, I don't think there's

728
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: anything wrong with some people like I just enjoy the

729
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: process of Like if you want, if you wanted to

730
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: become the art car lady, you know, if you if

731
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: you enjoyed the process of creating a brand, if you

732
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: enjoyed the if you were excited at the idea of

733
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 2: making money doing this, you know, then that's that's great.

734
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: That's I don't think that that's something that's to be villainized.

735
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: But it's again, it doesn't matter. It's it's what you

736
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: want to do at the end of the day. And

737
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: and it sounds like to me, what you want to

738
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: do is live your fucking life. Girl.

739
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty you have.

740
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: I got a question. I got a question. I got

741
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: a question. And even if it's just for me, I

742
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: won't post it anywhere. I kind of I kind of

743
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: want to see this car oh.

744
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 5: I mean like I can text.

745
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: You, yeah, you do you like? Do you even I

746
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: guess I don't wanna. I don't want to invalidate this

747
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: entire conversation we just had. But do you even have

748
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: like do you have a website or anything? Do you

749
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: have anything pictures of it, not not to sell, just

750
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: just just to see it.

751
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I can. I can text you the video

752
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 5: that I have.

753
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: Let me see, text me, text me a video, even

754
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: even after the call, text me the video.

755
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a look.

756
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. Maybe I'll maybe i'll post it

757
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: in uh in discord only if that's cool with you,

758
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: because I know I know other people are gonna want

759
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: to see it.

760
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess so.

761
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 2: If you do that, that ass if you don't want,

762
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: if you don't want use it, I want to see it.

763
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: So if you want, if you want to send it

764
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: to me, I'll just take a look. I won't post

765
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: it anywhere. I'll do it in with it.

766
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, all right, all.

767
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Right, that's what i'll do. That's what i'll do. Everyone

768
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: listening to this can fuck off.

769
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I mean it's it's a lot that is

770
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: like in person because you know, you can't request me

771
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 5: or anything like specifically. So half of the half of

772
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: the like fun is just thinking you're getting a normal

773
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 5: ubercar and then you walk in and it's.

774
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: Like that's cool, dude. See that's the thing, man, is

775
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: like just just doing it for that, just doing it

776
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: for the fucking look on people's faces when they get

777
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: in the car, Like that's that's all you need.

778
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I mean, like some of the reactions

779
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 5: we've gotten have been great, and people are like oh,

780
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 5: you know, like you should make a reaction compilation and

781
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's in my head, bitch.

782
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.

783
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: What was that? What was the fake name I gave you? Again?

784
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: Jenny, Jenny, Jenny.

785
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: This was great.

786
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed having this conversation with you. You know,

787
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: before we go, is there anything else that you you

788
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: wanted to get out of this phone call or talk

789
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: about or anything in general before before we head out?

790
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 5: You know, I would like to say to the people

791
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: of the computer if you are thinking about where your

792
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 5: life is going, Like I'm thirty and people are always

793
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 5: saying like, oh, what was the point of view? There

794
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 5: doesn't need to be a point.

795
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: What do you hold on?

796
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Real quick? What do you what do you mean?

797
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: What was the point of view?

798
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: Just like legacy wise, like, what are you creating? What

799
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 5: a value are you adding to this world?

800
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: You are the value I can't believe. I mean, I

801
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: don't think anyone would be saying that about you. I mean,

802
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: you're clearly you're clearly adding value to the world. But

803
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: I mean you don't. You don't even have to do

804
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: anything as amazing as a fucking make a whole art

805
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: car to add value to the world. You can just yeah,

806
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even I don't even know

807
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: if I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I

808
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: don't know.

809
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: Go ahead, No, no, you're good. I was actually just

810
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 5: about to say that I'm sending it currently totally.

811
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: You were saying, you were saying something. You were saying

812
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: something about you were like, I'm thirty. People are like,

813
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: what's the point of view you wanted to say something?

814
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I am, like, I'm about to be thirty

815
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 5: on Monday, and yeah, thank you. But you know, I, uh,

816
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: I didn't. I went to college and you know, I

817
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: didn't end up like in a super important position. And

818
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: like I see people younger than me achieving so much

819
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: more than me, and it's just like comparing myself to

820
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 5: other people. You don't.

821
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: Mean to.

822
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 5: Like if you if, I mean, I personally feel like

823
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 5: I'm achieving not necessarily my best life, but I'm on

824
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 5: the way there. So like, if if the people of

825
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: the computer would like to just simply exist, I mean,

826
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 5: that's okay too, I would think.

827
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: Any keep keep doing your thing, dude, keep making art,

828
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: keep uh, keep keep doing your thing, dude. I love it.

829
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: I think it's great.

830
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, guys, have a.

831
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: Rest of the night.

832
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: Jenny, thanks for calling.

833
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: Thank you, Bye bye bye.

834
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: That's great.

835
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: I really I really did like that call. It's weird, man,

836
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: I think about this is actually something I really genuinely do.

837
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Think about a lot, because you know, I do this

838
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I do it because it's

839
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: my job, it is how I make a living.

840
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: I do it because it's enabled me to have, you know,

841
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: crazy opportunities to go places and meet people I would

842
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: never have otherwise.

843
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm trying to kind of.

844
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: Stay stay connected with like the fucking just joy of

845
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: the process because like, dude, dude, fucking recording this podcast

846
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: can be very difficult sometimes. But but you know, even

847
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: just honestly, even just now, just you know, talking to

848
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: talking to Jenny over the past half hour, that felt

849
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: that felt good. I I really I enjoyed that. I enjoyed.

850
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the process of being able to record that conversation,

851
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: package it up, fucking have other people be able to

852
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: listen to it and then use the money from doing

853
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: that to go buy a sandwich afterwards. That's cool.

854
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying that.

855
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: Maybe that'd be dude, that'd be insane if I have

856
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: no idea where she lives or whatever. But oh, she

857
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: sent me a video of the car. Oh crap, it's

858
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: super pixelated. Oh I can kind of see it. Well,

859
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: this is super sick. This is a total Cocktai used

860
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: to talk about sick of the car is because I

861
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: I Am not going to post this video anywhere, but

862
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: it's a sick car. There's no call to action. There's

863
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: no way to follow Jenny. There's no website. You know what,

864
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: you know what you can do, you can you can

865
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: follow fucking I don't know, follow, follow Jenny's spirit whatever

866
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: whatever that may be.

867
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was cool man, rock on.

868
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: All from Stephen. Hello, is this a real get go?

869
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

870
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: Is this Stephen?

871
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 4: Yes? This is Stephen.

872
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: What's up Stephen?

873
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: Not much.

874
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm surprised I got through. Yeah. I was thinking if

875
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: I did get through, what would I talk about? And

876
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: I've been having an issue lately. I started a new

877
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: job this year and I had to start working hybrids.

878
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: So I go into the office a few days a

879
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: week and I work from home the other days. And

880
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: the problem I'm having is I'm meeting a lot of

881
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 4: new people, and I kind of know that I'm not

882
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: going to like really hang out with these people beyond

883
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: the work life, and so I don't really know how

884
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: to talk to them. I'm having a hard time like

885
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: socializing properly. I think I think people think maybe I'm

886
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: like weird or too focused on work because I don't

887
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 4: really know what's else to start up conversations about.

888
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: How old are you?

889
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 4: Thirty six?

890
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: Okay? And has this been like an issue throughout your life?

891
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: No. Before COVID, I was like a lot more social.

892
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: Would definitely go out a lot more and meet a

893
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: lot of people that I don't hang out with to

894
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 4: this day. But I was definitely a lot more like

895
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: friendly or actually curious about them.

896
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, curiosity, And do you do you feel like your curiosity.

897
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: And other people has like waned as you've gotten older.

898
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: It has waned pretty far. Yeah, yeah, And I don't

899
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: know why.

900
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I

901
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but it would kind of

902
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: make sense, right, Like, as you get older and as

903
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: you get a little tired, you have to kind of

904
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: like start making more concerned effort to care about things

905
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 2: in a way.

906
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, and and like people I'm interacting with.

907
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a project manager, so I have to

908
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 4: talk to a lot of people. So it's it's actually

909
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: becoming like a for me. It's becoming something I'm becoming

910
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: self conscious with because I'm interacting with a lot of

911
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: new people and I don't really I have a hard

912
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: time caring about I'm like, yeah, okay, but I don't

913
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: really know how much further to go outside of like

914
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: specific work type of conversations.

915
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: So no, everyone's kind of and the people don't like

916
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: to a minute, but everyone's kind of been there where

917
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 2: you're like at an office and you're talking to someone

918
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: and they're telling you about their weekend or their dog,

919
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: and in your mind and you're just like, I I'm sorry,

920
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: I wish I was like a nice, cool guy all

921
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: the time, but I just don't fucking.

922
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: Care at all. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's all right.

923
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

924
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: So they're like something that I like, an approach that

925
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: I can take that would like make me at least

926
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 4: come across a little bit more like I do care.

927
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: Why do you want to come across like you care?

928
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question. I just feel like as

929
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: my role at my job kind of has me in

930
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: front of a lot of people. My I feel like

931
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: the perception of people that they have of me is

932
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: kind of impactful to like how effective I can be,

933
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 4: especially if this person that I'm having a hard time

934
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: connecting with is someone who is like a customer, like

935
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to deliver a project for you, but I'm

936
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 4: you know, I just I want to make sure I

937
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: come across friendly, but I'm having a hard time figuring

938
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 4: out thereat approach.

939
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: MM are you having problem? Are you having trouble just

940
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: like you're having trouble coming across as a as a

941
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: friendly person?

942
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Is it just because like you don't you don't give

943
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: a shit?

944
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty friendly. I just don't. I think

945
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 4: I come across really shallow because I'm like, oh, you know,

946
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: anything interesting on your side of the office?

947
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: You know?

948
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 4: Which doesn't? I don't know? What do you really question?

949
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: What do you what do you really want to talk

950
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: to people about? What do you really want to talk

951
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: to people about?

952
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: It would be more I guess more, what do I

953
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 4: want to talk to people about? Honestly, it'd be more

954
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: interesting if I was if they were just like, hey,

955
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: tell me about you. It'd probably be more interesting to

956
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 4: like tell them about me rather than to like listen

957
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: to them, because sometimes I have a hard time like

958
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: listening to other people because of the way that they talk.

959
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes it can be really boring, or what they do

960
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: talk about can be really boring. So it's easier if

961
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: they're like, what about what do you think about that?

962
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 4: It's like, well, good, at least maybe I can maybe

963
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 4: I can say something, and I'm very good at responding.

964
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 4: But when it comes to like interacting and engaging with people,

965
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 4: I think I've lost my touch, Like pretty hard.

966
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: Are you ever in a conversation and you just try

967
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: to say something crazy to make it more interesting? Have

968
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: you ever done that?

969
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I used to be more like a

970
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: shock value before COVID. Definitely pre COVID was like more

971
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 4: would say things to get get like the shock value

972
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 4: from people.

973
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: I did that recently.

974
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: I was at a bar and I was talking to

975
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: someone and I wasn't really interested in it, and so

976
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: I said to them, when's the last time you thought

977
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: about killing yourself? And without missing a beat, they were

978
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: like I think that I and the without missing a beat,

979
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: they were like, I think thelast time I thought about

980
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: killing myself was like three years ago, and I was like, yeah,

981
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: I think me, I think probably me. Two man, And

982
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: then we both we talked about times we thought about

983
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: killing ourselves and it worked really well. I was like, Oh,

984
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm glad I took that chance.

985
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: You know, that's a big chance.

986
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: Is it really?

987
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: I could have gone? That could have gone a different direction,

988
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: I guess, but it sounds like it went a good one.

989
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

990
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm trying to think if I how shock

991
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: Value would work with my.

992
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm not even I'm talking about Shockval. I'm not even

993
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: talking about Shockval. I'm just saying, I don't know, man,

994
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: why do you want to be a project manager?

995
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 4: I thought that I wanted to be, but it went

996
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 4: well with my skill set. I would say that's probably

997
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: the most corporate type of answer I could give you,

998
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: But it felt right and it was a good opportunity.

999
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you could go all in. You could just

1000
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: be super fake, you know, you could just be in

1001
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: there talking about uh.

1002
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 4: Don't.

1003
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1004
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: Like like sometimes when I when I'm talking to people

1005
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: in like an office or corporate or professional setting, they

1006
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: talk about like restaurants, they've been to.

1007
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: Yes, that's very common. Yeah, very I do find myself

1008
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 4: in that conversation a lot. Do you go to restaurants ever,

1009
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: I recently, I really don't like being in public restaurants.

1010
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 4: By I find myself doing takeout or like grub hub.

1011
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1012
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: So when people talk about restaurants, I'm like, yeah, I've

1013
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: I've had that dropped off at my door. But you know,

1014
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: I don't really know what the vibe is at the place.

1015
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 2: People talk about restaurants, they talk about tent they talk

1016
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: about sports.

1017
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: Sports is popular.

1018
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: I I did used to work at at Nike, which

1019
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: which made it way easier to talk to people about

1020
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 4: things because there's product. Oh yeah, did you see the

1021
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: recent shoe or.

1022
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: That was cool?

1023
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, see I see, I would I

1024
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: want to see. I think it's more interesting to talk

1025
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: about the last time you thought about killing yourself.

1026
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 4: That is pretty wild.

1027
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: I think probably I probably wouldn't do that in the office,

1028
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: but who knows, I don't know. Maybe you know, maybe.

1029
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: The last time you thought about quitting. Maybe I could

1030
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 4: start asking people.

1031
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, that's a version of that, yeah, and.

1032
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: Be like and like why who who made you want

1033
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 4: to quit?

1034
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1035
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: And I don't know, it could get.

1036
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: Really dark, but yeah, get dark, go crazy. Why not,

1037
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna die. I'm gonna die. What What are we

1038
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: wasting our time when you're talking about restaurants? For god,

1039
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: I hate it so much. I hate it so much.

1040
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't I've never been. I don't go to fucking restaurants.

1041
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: I eat a Dell Taco and everyone wants to talk

1042
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: about fucking restaurants. I don't know anything about any of this,

1043
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: ship that any people. I don't know how to do it.

1044
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1045
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I don't know what the fuck

1046
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: to talk to people about.

1047
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: There's a lot of negativity around Del Taco. I think

1048
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 4: I think people have negative feelings towards that place. Does

1049
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 4: that bother you or change your opinion.

1050
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: About Del Taco? No, I don't care at all if

1051
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: people don't like Del Taco.

1052
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.

1053
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about your life and this thing

1054
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: that you're thinking about.

1055
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think maybe it's maybe it's the I don't.

1056
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: I don't know if I need to care more, but

1057
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: I find that hard.

1058
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: No, I think you should. I think you should care

1059
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: less about this. I think you should care less. I

1060
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: think you should not. Here's like I think, don't like

1061
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: take consideration into like, don't be a dick to people

1062
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: or say anything that's outwardly mean or obnoxious. But other

1063
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: than but if as long as you're not doing as

1064
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: long as you're not being actively hostile or mean or

1065
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: obnoxious to people, say whatever, who gives a shit?

1066
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good I think it's

1067
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 4: really good advice.

1068
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just as long because that's the thing.

1069
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: As long as you are are actively making sure you're

1070
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: not like being a dick, then you can, I mean,

1071
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: say whatever, who cares?

1072
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1073
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1074
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: There is a lot of thought that goes into like

1075
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 4: if the things I do say out loud could come

1076
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 4: back to haunt me and.

1077
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: See somebody in the chat just said articulated speech comes

1078
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: across as mean, what the fuck are they talking about?

1079
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit? Who cans? Then somebody, even if

1080
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: somebody does get upset at you about why, I don't like,

1081
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: what what's it matter?

1082
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: You're trying your best? God damn it.

1083
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 4: So if I like, is that like over articulation where

1084
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: you're assuming that they don't like understand?

1085
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: No, no, No, The point is who cares what that chatter said. Oh,

1086
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: they're not in your life, They're in Arizona somewhere. Yeah,

1087
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

1088
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: It does not matter at all.

1089
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: There we go. I don't know, I don't know if

1090
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: any of this is making sense. I'm hoping this is

1091
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Speaker 2: helpful to you in some way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, definitely opening up my mind a lot.

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Speaker 4: I really, I'm like super glad that I've got through.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, Steven. Is there anything else you want

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Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?

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Speaker 4: Hope everybody's having a good night, And yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 4: thank you for the help. But thanks for opening my mind.

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Speaker 2: Good good. I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Stephen, Thank you, take care, talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid I might have actually created a monster. Never

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Speaker 1: be Ken goes on the line taking your phone calls

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Speaker 1: every night. Never be Can goes to on his eye.

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Speaker 2: He's teaching you about in the

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Speaker 1: Middle of your life, but he's not really an expert.