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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything. Oh um, you know, I even't

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Speaker 1: want to talk about And you guys appreciate this because

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Speaker 1: and I put the pumpkins I grew. I was growing

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Speaker 1: I used to have, like we raised pat raccoons when

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Speaker 1: been cut with a freaking knife. Mhm. So at this point,

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Speaker 1: I know, like this is not you know, like I've

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Speaker 1: not right, and I and I and I'm guilty, Like

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Speaker 1: my head who that is that's doing it, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: cut his hands off. So I'm out and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking to neighbors about it, and I'm like

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Speaker 1: So I yelled down, and the kids are like they

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Speaker 1: And um, look you can make money private scheffing. Well

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Speaker 1: cater his wedding into September. September in New Mexico. I said, great,

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Speaker 1: don't want people to get because it's just so strange. Right.

424
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: So Malcolm Forbes, yea yeah, four five right. Um. I

425
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: had a cabin up at the top of Beaty Gulch

426
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: and they brought power to that cabman via the road

427
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: when they dug the road and they buried a line.

428
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: At one point the road takes a big dog leg

429
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: out and instead of rolling cable on that dog leg,

430
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: they just shot straight up this little gully to the

431
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: next switch back and has some kind of easement to

432
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: do this on public land. They must have and and

433
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: it was back in the sixties. And on the rollout,

434
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: on the rollout when they're going up this drainage, they

435
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: ran out of cable. They brought in a new spool

436
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: and they spliced it. Instead of bearing the splice, they

437
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: just put a can on it. And at some point

438
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: there was yeah, I just put a can on the

439
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: two tails, right, and maybe as junction you know, basically

440
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: was a junction box the Yeah, so this was feeding

441
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: or actually feeding a Yeah, there was like there's likes

442
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: going to a home. Mm hmm. Yeah. And the lid

443
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: was secure. That's important. Everyone needs another lid was secured.

444
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: It had three locks on all three sides. And um,

445
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: you know, the welds for the tabs that had the

446
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: holes through it to keep the lid attached to the

447
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: container had started to become compromised over time. And you know,

448
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: and then now we get to a sort of like

449
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: a place where via an n D A I think

450
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to continue to say that, Um, you know,

451
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: the locks the tabs became compromised, and then one broke,

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: and then another broke, and then maybe a bison rubbed

453
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: its ass on it one day or sloughing snow down

454
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: the hill started to move it over time, and then

455
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: of course lid fell off and it just remained exposed,

456
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: and it gathered dirt in grass and maybe a sage

457
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: bush grew next to and I mean it just became

458
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: engulfed in the drainage. Got you know. Yeah, one last

459
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: question about this, is it your belief that the bear,

460
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean a bear got electrocuted in there? Man? You know, like,

461
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: did the bear die because of that power? Who knows?

462
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been dropped in there by something.

463
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: You might get. Yeah, I probably did. They probably died,

464
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: probably bit into it or something. I mean, I've heard

465
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: so since then, I've you know, we've researched into similar

466
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: bizarre instances. And you know, a note to all you

467
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: outdoorsmen out there that they're gonna listen to this is

468
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: that if you come across a pile of dead animals

469
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of the woods, don't touch them, like,

470
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: don't poke it with a knife. You know, um that

471
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, it could be one animal that dug into

472
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: a power source because there's vibration and frequency coming out

473
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: of it, and they pick up on that or whatever,

474
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: and that animal dies and another animal comes to feed

475
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: on that animal and it dies, and you know that's

476
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: definitely happened. Are you familiar with libraria tar pits? Yeah,

477
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: look up listeners if you're just the cascading series of

478
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: events that it kind of almost reminds me. It reminds

479
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: me that the librat tar fits because bret tarpets are

480
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: these like places seen tarpets that would trap animals, and

481
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: over the tens and tens of thousands of years, they trapped,

482
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, dozens of mammoths, hundreds of dire wolves, short

483
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: faced bears, saber tooth cats, And when you look at

484
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's come out of there, uh, you're like,

485
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: how could these like be that like, how could they

486
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: have caught that much stuff? But something I remember reading

487
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: that one what they call one interaction per decade would

488
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: account for it. And what they described was a baby

489
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: mammoth walks out, get stuck in the tar, A sabre

490
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: tooth cat comes out, the scavenge, the carcass gets stuck

491
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: in the tar, A bird lands the scavenge, the saber

492
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: tooth get stuck on the tar, stretched out over tens

493
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: and tens and tens of thousands of years. You have

494
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: this bizarre collection. Well, we're gonna so there was there

495
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: was an interaction going on. Well, the power sorts the

496
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: buck stops here for this scenario because I didn't die.

497
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: That was not added to the evolutionary tar pit of

498
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: electrical injuries in the woods. And uh and that's that

499
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: that actually is. There's a like kind of anecdotal side

500
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: note here is that part of the film charged not

501
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: even part of the sole purpose of this documentary and

502
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: I and we'll probably get to this later, is to

503
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: serve as some type of of beacon or educational or

504
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: moving factor so that others, others do not befall the

505
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: same type of scenario that I did. You know, the movie,

506
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: but the movie does weigh Sure, the movie does way

507
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: more than that. But it does make you aware of

508
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: it does make you weary of the idea sort of

509
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: my dismay and surprise about the accident. I think UM

510
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: helps explain this. It does make you wear that, like

511
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: you have the stuff in your head that you think

512
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: can go wrong, and then there's the things that you

513
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: never imagined, Oh, that you would never ever ever imagine.

514
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: I was I was, you know the time when when

515
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: I reached out to take that cloth. I was already

516
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: a mile up the hill in my mind stocking and

517
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: elk I was like cloth. You know, it was supposed

518
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: to be that quick. And had I not had a

519
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: knife in my left hand, most likely you know, it

520
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: may have not Ben's app that day, that knife, so

521
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: that that the the the electrical joel came through my

522
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: left hand, which is what was this is a hand

523
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: holding the knife and then entered into my body and

524
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: exited in nine different places on my legs, on my torso,

525
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: through my scalp, and then and then here on my

526
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: other hand. So this was an exit wound through my

527
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: right hand, not an entrance wound. Can you can you

528
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: walk us through your injury? Yeah, and then that when

529
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: I get to the really trippy part, that like kind

530
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: of bowils my mind as the cancer element is otherworldly.

531
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: But the injuries from the injury injury, so the electricity

532
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: entered through the knife that became the conduit that created

533
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: the arc or you know that, and that knife hit

534
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: metal or just hit the bear. No, I don't even

535
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: think i'd made it. I don't even think i'd made

536
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: it down to the bear right, So that the can

537
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's twenty as tall, and I go leaning in

538
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: and and I'm again, I don't know, but my belief

539
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: is that I never even made it to the claw.

540
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: And at some point that metal in my hand, everything

541
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: else is charged in this barrel right, and at some

542
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: point that new metal caught, you know, became a conduit

543
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: for an electrical jump that went into that knife and

544
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: then came out through. So it basically goes into my

545
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: left hand comes out, my left elbow comes out, my

546
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: left torso comes out, my left thigh comes out, my

547
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: right groin comes out, my right elbow comes out, my

548
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: right hand and comes out twice on my scalp, like

549
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: nine not give it, take nine major exit wounds. And

550
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: what happened at your ribs exit wound? Yeah? Exit? Would

551
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: the size of a head? Did the exit wound like

552
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, well the size of yeah? No. So the

553
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: thing is, when when you look at the initial wounds site,

554
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: it's it's fairly small. It's like the size of a

555
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: large honeydew melon. But once the doctors started debreeding, which

556
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: is removing the dead tissue from my body, where it's

557
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: just like black, it grows twofold. You know, they have

558
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: to dig back to live you know, live live tissue,

559
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: live bone. So I had so I might, I mean

560
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: that was probably that was one of my most extensive

561
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: injuries was my left torso is um. Basically I lost

562
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: half of my pectoral all of my obliques on the

563
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: left side, and uh for like two inch sections of rib.

564
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: It's like, right now, you know that's there's no ribs there.

565
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: I remember one of the Oh my god, Yeah, he's

566
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: showing us the lack of he's demonstrated in my shirt.

567
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: We only got to your arm yet, But which is

568
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: I have to imagine the main part of this to you, um,

569
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: losing an arm. Yeah, in the movie when the doctor

570
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: says to you, he's talking about what the surgery they're

571
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna do just on the one wound on your rib cage,

572
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: and your girlfriend's filming this interaction with your doctor and

573
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: he's kind of giving you like a basic what to expect.

574
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: For instance, you'll never do a pull up again, like

575
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: struck you Yeah, because you've always been like a fit

576
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I would say, like a fitness freak, but like you're

577
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: a fitness guy. Yeah, was athletic. You can tell that

578
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: that it is in the movie, you kind of see

579
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: this moment where you're obviously like your whole life has

580
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: changed anyways, but I see this moment where you're kind

581
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: of like just that little detail makes you see I

582
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: was like like wait, like a week in like and

583
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: he's like, no, man, like for good, they'll never do

584
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: a pull up again. It was, and that's because they

585
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: were taking my It's called a muscle, it's called a

586
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: muscle flap. So basically, with all that muscle being removed

587
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: from my left torso your left of the very muscle

588
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: is part of your armor. It's part of your body's

589
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: armor for the vitals you know as well. It doesn't

590
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: just serve as this mobility tool. It's armor. And and

591
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: so with with bones being removed, with all this tissue

592
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: being gone, um, the doctors have to find a way

593
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: to cover that up and and and protect the side

594
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: of the body again. So you know, the latissimus is

595
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: not a vital muscle to overall life like. It is

596
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: there for locomotion. So they basically remove the latissmus. That's

597
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: that big muscle that runs from your shoulders down to

598
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: your hip. It's kind of shaped like a v, you know,

599
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and they removed it from my hip they brought out

600
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: of my of. They brought it out and then they

601
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: flipped it and attached it over to my left torso right.

602
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: And so that's why I basically the alati. If anyone

603
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: doesn't pull up, you're using your shoulders and your arms

604
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: and your core, which is mostly these huge latisimus Dorset

605
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: muscles and so on. The doctor's like, you won't ever,

606
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, you won't do a pull up again. He

607
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: was just speaking from learned experience that you're losing the

608
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: majority of your pull power. And well it was no,

609
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't. You know. Two years later I was at

610
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: my prostiticians because damn, you're like a pull up. Yeah,

611
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: he throws a pull up bar up on the on

612
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the door and and you know, probably a cheater pull up,

613
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: got my chin barely there, and you know, and I

614
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: don't do pull I don't do pull ups anymore, just

615
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, because usually it's my my prosthetic. It's the

616
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: material that makes it my prosthetic that breaks, you know,

617
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: because a hundred seventy pounds hanging on it. But what's

618
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: interesting to note is that for anyone that for anyone

619
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: that goes through a major transformation, of their of their

620
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: physical body in any which way, um is that the

621
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: body is so is made, it is redundant. It's like

622
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: redundancy in place. So if you lose one muscle there

623
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: there is, the body's gonna find a way to have

624
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: all the other mini muscles or underlying muscles that really

625
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: are there to support those will start to grow and

626
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: pull weight. You know. So right now when I'm hiking,

627
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: so I'm missing a major chunk of my left quadr sep,

628
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: a huge majority of the muscles on my left side,

629
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: and I don't feel weaker on my left side. Now

630
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: six years later, when I'm hiking an elkout, I feel

631
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: like fatigued, like anyone else does, you know, And but

632
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I think it's because, um, all the little muscles they

633
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: fill in, they come back in, you know, they start

634
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: working out more. So walk us through how things went

635
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: with your arm, um, like kind of how that decision

636
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: making process you say in the movie, how you've decided

637
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: to Yeah, yeah, this was it actually a decision. Yeah

638
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was a decision. So, um, I think

639
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: I had been in the hospital for six days at

640
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: that point. And if anyone's ever been in a like

641
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: a high school locker room. It stinks and it it kind

642
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: of started to smell like that. It started to smell

643
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: like foot and just yeah, there was basically decay. Is

644
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: that they had debreeded the the most of my body,

645
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: but with you know, I had asked it like I

646
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: was basically begging with the world, and you know, I

647
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: was like praying to people I've never prayed to before.

648
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: I was basically throwing every hail marry I could out

649
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: at the universe, like, don't take my left hand, because

650
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: could any could you guys imagine losing your left hand,

651
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: Like how could you? You know you can't you know,

652
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: you don't know. It's funny because it's like, uh, because

653
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: of the nature um because sort of like how the

654
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: last couple of wars that we've been involved and have

655
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: played out with improvised explosive devices, we see more of it.

656
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you out well. I imagine people. I

657
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: imagine people see you and assume you're a soldier. They're like,

658
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: oh you you you were you lost your arm in Felujah. Yeah,

659
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: it's probably like well, it's it's usually you get like

660
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: you get like the nod and maybe like the two

661
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: fingered like like veteran. I'm like, yeah, outdoors, so in

662
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: that way, yeah, so in that way, No, I can't

663
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: imagine losing my limb. But there's so many guys in

664
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: our that are roughly in our generation that they are

665
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: dealing with that because of like they're becoming such a Yeah,

666
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: and I don't see more common injury. But just like

667
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: we've had thirteen years of I mean, I can explos

668
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: exposed these kind of explosions, it seemed to have a

669
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: propensity to pull people's limbs off. I can speak all

670
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: day too as to how I've benefited by by by

671
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: the mass influx of amputees coming back from the war,

672
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: because the government obviously is gonna pour a ton of

673
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: money into taking care of people when they come back,

674
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: and so the government has been huge behind new technologies.

675
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: But in in regards to blue in my hand, basically

676
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: the doctor said, look, we've removed the majority of the

677
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: dead tissue and on your hand and there, and what

678
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: you've got left is it is basically, um, you're gonna

679
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: have to lose your pinkie and basically the like three

680
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: out of the four top fingers and you'll be left

681
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: with your pointer finger in your thumb in a hand

682
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: that kind of runs down the middle of the back

683
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: of your hand to your wrist. So you'll be left

684
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: with kind of like a like a pistol looking you know,

685
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: hand and and and he's saying, guaranteed the pistols good

686
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: working pistol. Well, he's saying like he's saying, like you

687
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: should you'll be able to have some movement in your

688
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: pointer finger in your thumb, but you're losing all the

689
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: rest of your fingers. And he says, so you'll have

690
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: you'll have a semi functional left hand. Um, But he said,

691
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: what concerns me is that we we believe that they're

692
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: what you smell in the room is an infection in

693
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: your hand and in your forarm. And that is at

694
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: the moment, from like the middle heart of my left

695
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: form to my heart is less than eighteen inches and

696
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: that isn't it is not going to take long for

697
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: a bacteria to run up to your heart. And our

698
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: concern is great that um, that you've survived the electrical

699
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: injury miraculously somehow, and yet we are highly we we

700
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: are we there was a very high risk that the

701
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: bacterial infection in your form could kill you. If it

702
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: gets your heart. And it was like that was on

703
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon, and I'll never forget. I just said, like,

704
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: bring me to the table, take it off right now.

705
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: And they're like whoa, whoa, wa whoa the surgeons and

706
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: at last we can do this is tomorrow, you know.

707
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: So I was ready to tell you the second they

708
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: said the bacterial infection in your left hand could kill you.

709
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I was like, then take it off, because you know, I,

710
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: as you know, somehow survived the electrical injury itself. I'm

711
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: not screwing around with infections and other things. You know.

712
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: It's the weird thing you just mentioned that. Remember I

713
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: remember striking me is um you talk about eighteen inch

714
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: distance off your your arm. Remember I had a pick

715
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: line in one time, and when I went to have

716
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: it removed and I was expect I was just kind

717
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: of I don't know why I was expected, like giant hose. Yeah.

718
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: When they pull it out, I'm like, you know that's

719
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: saying like when you get hurt, people like, oh, it's

720
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: a long way from your heart, because like, no, it's

721
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: not a long way from your heart. No. They put

722
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: a little line just like yeah, right there, you somehow

723
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: think of it as being like sort of more isolated

724
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: and protective as they pull out this little seven inch

725
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: holes and like that's all that's all it takes to

726
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: get from my arm to my heart. I can feel

727
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: where I'm missing ribs. I can put my fingers under

728
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: those ribs when I'm working hard, and I'm basically like

729
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: an inch from my heart. Yeah. So when I go

730
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: when I when I do high intensity sport, whether it's

731
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: horseback riding or triathlon biking or snow billing or snowboarding,

732
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: I wear a uh, it's basically my triathlon jersey, like

733
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: a tight spandex jersey with vel grow and then a

734
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a kevlar plate that goes against that

735
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: belt grow to protect against that hole in my chest

736
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: right now, you against impact. So so it's just big enough.

737
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Your ribs aren't doing the job war well most of

738
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: them are, but there's there's a hole in my rib

739
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: cage size of a grape fruit. And so the plate

740
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: is like just over the size of a great fruit,

741
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: so that if it gets hit, it's gonna spread weight

742
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: to where the ribs are. Yeah, and I've called off

743
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: recreational events where I I forget it you know, I

744
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: forget to bring my vest, and you know, and my girlfriend,

745
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: now you know, she knows remind me like you're on

746
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: horseback riding with ben Masters, bring your vest, you know,

747
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: and if I forget it, I just won't go in ya.

748
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: So when you broke up from the surgery, and right, like,

749
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: how what that feel like? You know, um, six years later,

750
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of a let down. But you know, I

751
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: can only speak generally to what coming out of anesthesias

752
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: feels like because I had twenty one surgeries. Coming out

753
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: of the surgery that removed my hand, you know, it

754
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: was not significantly different than the agree that I had

755
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: my ribs are moved on or my scalp surgery, but

756
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: also your arms gone right. But it's interesting so going

757
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: into the surgery to remove my arm, I didn't really

758
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: have an arm anyway. I just had a bandage. Club

759
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: could feel it. Yeah, I was. I was loaded on

760
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: on medicine. I was totally maxed out on pain meds.

761
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: And you know, I was like really in this point

762
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: of stage as I was like the first week, I

763
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: was still in this super tentative to place where um,

764
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, I could live or die basically, and so

765
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: coming out of surgery might to me, I didn't even

766
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: get look at it. For the first day or two.

767
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: It was still just this bandaged left side and then

768
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: being just the you know, twisted individual that I am

769
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: and a chef, you know. The first time I saw it,

770
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, it looks like shank bone.

771
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, I can see the marrow in there and

772
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I can see yeah, and it was like, you know,

773
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: and that and that is honestly, honestly a lot of folks,

774
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: believe you know, would would assume him rightfully, so that

775
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: that it was super traumatic for me to like see

776
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: my missing hand, you know, form with out of hand

777
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: attach it for the first time. But for me, I

778
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: was I was fascinated by being able to see all

779
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: of my muscle groups open and see bone and you know,

780
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and I'm met it out so I'm semi comfortable, and

781
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: so for me it was it was actually it took

782
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: my mind off of things to follow, follow the movements

783
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: of the nurses and the team cleaning after you, and

784
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: to have a chance to have the inside view of

785
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: my body. It was kind of cool. Honestly looking back

786
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: on it now, How how loose it were you for

787
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: all this, I mean, considering the medications, right, there's there's

788
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: an accumulative, accumulative effect of all that stuff. I'm sure, yeah,

789
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I I was. I was mostly present.

790
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot I don't recall because of the cumulative

791
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: effect of the fog as you want to call it.

792
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, like just I mean just sort of

793
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: like a probably a persistent sort of shock, yeah, and

794
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: then being doped up and being doped up. But you know, I,

795
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, I I remember we took you know, and

796
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm grateful too. This is another thing. It's too as

797
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: I had a support team like no other. You know,

798
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend Jenny Jayne, who's my business partner, she

799
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: flew back from the UK and uh and took photos

800
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: and video the whole time we were in hospital. I

801
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: want to get to that because I don't understand that. Yeah,

802
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and so you know, so for me, um, I was

803
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: kind of felt like it was a busy time period.

804
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: You know. It was like you know, you're going from

805
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: one bandage dressing to PT to surgery too. There wasn't

806
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: a ton of downtime that I was awake for that

807
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: we weren't doing something and and part of that I've

808
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: always loved photography, so I have a lot of photos

809
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: that are pretty intense. You know that, um kind of

810
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: helped take my mind off of things. I was like,

811
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: we were you know, yeah, it made made it kind

812
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: of interesting in a sense. Well I imagine too that

813
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't take many minutes or maybe you know, I

814
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's a couple of hours until the

815
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: thought repeats itself of well, thank god, at least I'm here,

816
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, yeah, no, that's a that's it,

817
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: that's it. That is a good point. And I, um,

818
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I actually don't think I got back to Steve's point

819
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: to that either, which was how was it to wake

820
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: up not have your hand? And I think it was

821
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: three weeks in where we're watching a movie and and

822
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: Jen's probably in my hospital bed and I'm on her

823
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: right side, she's on my left and we're watching a

824
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: movie on the laptop and I'm never in this and

825
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: this is the moment where I first remember having an

826
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: emotional breakdown, and um, you know, with my left hand,

827
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: I was kind of you know, you're sitting next to

828
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: your honey at home, where are your hands? You know?

829
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: One't you we don't answer that question. But one of

830
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: your hands is you know, probably on her on her

831
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: knee or on her shoulder or on her hand. You know,

832
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: you're hanging out. And so my hand, my left hand

833
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: was on Jen's knee and We're watching a movie and

834
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: at one point I go to give it a squeeze,

835
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: and then I kind of look over and I realized

836
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: that I'm my left hand is on her knee, and

837
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with her, and yet there's an a

838
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: left hand. Yeah, and you know, I'm moving my muscles

839
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like doing this, you know, and uh,

840
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: and I just broke down because you know, of course

841
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: my body still remembered a left hand, had been for

842
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: thirty years. And it took a year, you know, six

843
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: months to a year for me to really come to

844
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: terms psychologically with the fact that I don't have a

845
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: left hand. Like right now, I wearing a prosthetic cook

846
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: And if I if I take this hook off in

847
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: the second I just took that off, I now im unilateral.

848
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm like one handed in my mind, whereas the second

849
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: I put this hook back in, I'm bilateral again because

850
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: I got I got two hands to do stuff. With

851
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: because the mind uh you know, the so for me,

852
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: it was it was really like a few weeks in

853
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: where I actually had a moment of loss for my limb,

854
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: but not after the not right after the fact. Yeah,

855
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: those isn't a pretty impactful part of the movie. Not

856
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: the most impactful part of me, but a pretty impactful

857
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: part of the movies. Leaving the hospital, Yeah, because it

858
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: season then like all of a sudden, Then once you're outside,

859
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: it seems like you kind of are That's like one

860
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: of the moments when you it sort of seems to

861
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: hit you. Yeah. Also, now you've been to this like

862
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: little sanctuary and all of ASO. Now they're like, oh,

863
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: you can go home now, And you're walking outside without

864
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: your nursing staff, without the pharmacy next door, without your surgeons.

865
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: You basically you've been incubated. You've been knocked down to

866
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: this place where you are vulnerable and and being built

867
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: up from the ground up again. And then you walk

868
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: outside and you're discharged, and all of a sudden, you

869
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: gotta park your own car again and you gotta drive again.

870
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: And you know, of course I still had my family

871
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: and everyone there, but um, you know, I mean in Jenny,

872
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, bless your heart, you know, take care of

873
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: hours to un bandage me, get me in a shower,

874
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: take me at a shower, and bandage me back up again,

875
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: you know. We I mean, wound care was still intensive.

876
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: It would take four hours to kind of just get

877
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: me ready for the day. So here's what I forgot

878
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to check in on. How in the world, So you

879
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: coincidentally at the same time happened to have testicular cancer

880
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: that has spread up your spine and don't don't know

881
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: about it, right, yeah, and they find it through all

882
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: this other stuff. So on top of that, you're in

883
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: there doing like chemo. So I hadn't done chemo yet,

884
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: but so right, so when so that what the film,

885
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: what you don't see in the film, and what you know,

886
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is that in two thousand seven,

887
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm working on the yacht and I'm in Sancho Pe

888
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: in the south of France, and I feel this pain

889
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: in my growin, kind of like pulled muscle, and I

890
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: remember just mentioning to the captain, I gotta go see

891
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: a doctor, you know. And I don't bitch about really

892
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: anything high threshold for pain, and um, there's a doctor

893
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: on board who's a guest at the time, and he's like, oh,

894
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: we'll just have Dr So and so give you check

895
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: check up, you know, like okay, doctor gives me a

896
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: quick evail, kind of checks the boys out down there,

897
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, how many hours a day?

898
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: You working like money for like months in a row.

899
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: And he says, tell the boss to give you a

900
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: day off and take an anti inflammatory. You're probably just

901
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: working too hard and standing on your feet. And that's

902
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: what every young mid twenty male wants to hear. You

903
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: know that we don't want to go to the hospital

904
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: or go get checked out. We're invincible, looking for a

905
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: reason to not take it undred percent we are. And

906
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: uh and so that was two thousand seven. So fast

907
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: forward to my injury in two thousand eleven and I

908
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: come out of a surgery where because of one of

909
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: my exit wounds basically being in my sack. Okay, um,

910
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: they removed my left testy and um. And so I'm

911
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: told this when I come out of surgery. This this

912
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: is kind of like this is like just a twisted

913
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: fact of coming out of a surgery is you don't

914
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: really know what happened in surgery until you wake up

915
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: again and and you're getting told, oh, well we took

916
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: this off, but we're able to keep this. And you know,

917
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: so you're getting of getting the shakedown of how it

918
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: went because they're doing they're doing play by play. Yeah,

919
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean they don't they don't know what they're getting into.

920
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: You sign a waiver every time you're going to surgery

921
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: that basically said, I recognize that I may not live

922
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: through this, and the hospitals are not you know, um,

923
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, legally bound by what may happen. And then

924
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: you obviously give some power of attorney so that if

925
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: they need to make a game day call, someone can

926
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: do that for you while you're on the table. And

927
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: so Jenny, you handed it over to your ex girlfriend, Yeah,

928
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: because she was the one that was there every day.

929
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: She was like boom on my side, you know. So

930
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: it's like you make a call for you while you've

931
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: got siblings, parents who who who were there. But as

932
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: my mom says, you know and my brother, you know,

933
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: like they're can only be one captain of the ship.

934
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: And if Jen's going to be, if she's already been

935
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: by this guy's side for five years, she's sleeping next

936
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to that bed every day. And we were all in

937
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: the peripheral every day here. Everyone else was in Salt

938
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: Lake too, but it was like Jen next to the bed.

939
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: So um, and she's able to make like end of

940
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: life decisions for you and she and but and and

941
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: to be fair, yes she was, but she's also you know,

942
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: she's living with my family. My family is in the

943
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: room too, and then going home. But you know, she's know,

944
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: and on the I'm not suggesting that I would think that, like, oh,

945
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do this because she might pull a dirty drink.

946
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: And but just like it strikes me as it's it's unusual.

947
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: Well and because Steve's referred to Steve is referring to

948
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: that she's my ex girlfriend. Right, she's not my girl,

949
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: but he has becoming kind of like we we end.

950
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: When the accident happened, she was an ex girlfriend. Correct. Yeah,

951
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: she had just flown home to the UK, yeah a

952
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: week before. Um yeah yeah. And so I come out

953
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: of surgery and they're like, and the doctors say, this

954
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: went well, that went well, this went well. I couldn't

955
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: save your left testical, you know. Audio Rest in peace, buddy,

956
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: and uh and in that moment, I recall that many

957
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: years before I had had a pain in my you know,

958
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: in in my in my in my sack, and you know,

959
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: in some swelling, and I was kind of told to

960
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: take an IVY prof and it never did anything about it.

961
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: So I just casually mentioned this to the nurse, who

962
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: then mentions it to the surgeon. And so like the

963
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: first of a little red flag goes up, and the

964
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: surgeon puts in an order that a tissue sample from

965
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: the test that had been taken out a few hours

966
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: before gets into the lab and that comes back positive

967
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: for test acure cancer. Oh man, really, so that's how

968
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: that was found. And you don't have roomed in the movie.

969
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: It's not room for that, and there's not room for that,

970
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: and so that's but that's how it was. We did,

971
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: like a biopsy on an electrocuted test. Yeah, so so

972
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: and so then we biopsy the heck out of you know,

973
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: like we we so then we the you know, there's

974
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: a full blown attack on all of the CT scans

975
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: that had already happened over the prior week or two,

976
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: and they're looking now like what did we miss? Is

977
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: there something here that we're missing? You know, and they

978
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: see this mass that's on my left spine and my

979
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: lower abdomen just above my groin, and it's immediately flagged

980
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: as a second stage tumor coming up from the test

981
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: to cool um cancerous make me physically like physically, we

982
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: biopsy the heck out of that. But in every biopsy

983
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: test comes back negative. Okay, But the thing with the

984
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: biopsy is, imagine you have an apple and then you

985
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: have a holo core biopsy needle. How many times do

986
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: you have to stick that apple to get full coverage?

987
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: About a million? This is not gonna happen. So we

988
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: boobpously like six times, let's say, and they all come

989
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: back negative, and all my tumor really in my blood

990
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: work comes back negative. But the doctors feel via what

991
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: they can see an imagery that there is an and there,

992
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: and so the YouTube you want to see Utah, the

993
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: university has a Huntsman Cancer Clinic there, so they have

994
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: a major oncology team. So they have an oncologist on

995
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: this now, and they basically decide that there is a

996
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: room reason enough for concern that this is a second

997
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: stage tumor um and that even though all of my

998
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: readings are coming back negative. They highly recommend that I

999
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: go into a very aggressive round a chemotherapy to just

1000
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: make sure there's nothing in me anywhere. Um and I

1001
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: and and I'm still in the middle of surgeries. So

1002
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: now all of my surgeries. You can't go into chemotherapy

1003
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: with open wounds. So now they basically put surgical band

1004
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: aids on these wounds that are in recovery, like my scalp,

1005
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, So they basically they take skin and they

1006
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: put it on my skull to close that up, and

1007
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: they put everything on hold so that I can go

1008
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: home to Bozeman and do three months of intense chemotherapy.

1009
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: That's a that's another part of the movie. Just something

1010
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: that you always here do a chemo therapy that hair

1011
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: falls off, but in the movie you're able to. One

1012
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: day you realize it's loose, and someone's filming this and

1013
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: you're able to just kind of go and pull all

1014
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: of the hair off your head. Yeah. I started cheming.

1015
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean like I started chemo like late January, early Jeane, no,

1016
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: early early February, and I'm white tail shed hunting, and

1017
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I started to notice, you know, like my hand going

1018
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: through my head while sweating and uh. And when I

1019
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: say to white tail shed hunting, I'm like sick as

1020
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: a dog and chemotherapy. So my goal is to get

1021
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: outside once a day for a hundred yards to maybe

1022
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: a rip flat river bottom walk with no weight on

1023
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: my back, just to be outside. And I started noticing

1024
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: that my hands coming back with hair on it, you know.

1025
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: And and um, yeah, I remember one day just kind

1026
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: of like messing with my hair, noting it. And I

1027
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: was determined that I would be the one percent that

1028
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: whose hair doesn't fall out, because it happens like a

1029
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: few small percentage of people do not lose their hair

1030
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: and chemotherapy and uh and yeah. And so when it did, um, yeah,

1031
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: I was at home and we felt you know, Jen

1032
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: and I just put a camera on a tripod and

1033
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: um and just yeah, I went after it as a

1034
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: very rab part in the film for a lot of

1035
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: people that are watching. Um, I mean I've sat in

1036
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot of screenings in theaters, and that's a very

1037
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: raw heart. Cancers all over our society and there's almost

1038
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: no one out there that's not touched by cancer somehow

1039
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: through their family or friends or personally. And seeing yeah,

1040
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever seen cancer patient pull their

1041
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: hair out, and so's it just it is, It's it's

1042
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: really arresting. I think that's question. Through all that, did

1043
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: they ever say, oh, yeah, we we did have a

1044
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: test result came back then positive on his scroll, but yeah,

1045
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: no on the testicle that was removed that was positive.

1046
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: So none of the biopsies and none of the blood

1047
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: working to this date, knock on would somewhere. Um, I

1048
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: go for a check up every six months and I'm

1049
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: still negative. I still test, you know, like I'm clean,

1050
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: you know at the moment um, So I think, are

1051
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: you getting at So what's up with the masks? Right?

1052
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: What's up with the mass? So? Man, we we kept

1053
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: our eyeball on that for and we still do. But

1054
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: we kept our eyeball on that heavy for two and

1055
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: a half years. And my oncologist now in Boza, Montana

1056
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: feel is that. And I was pushed heavily to have

1057
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: it removed, which is a very dicey surgery because it's

1058
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: right near your spine with some significant, um the significantly

1059
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: undesirable side effects that are unavoidable for that surgery, which

1060
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: I will spare listeners. Um, and and I kind of

1061
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: just said, look, I I don't need to gamble here.

1062
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: But unless you're telling me that this mass is gonna

1063
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: kill me, I don't want to have this removed. You know,

1064
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: like I'm happy to just watch it, seriously watch it,

1065
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: but I don't want to go into the knife again

1066
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: and and deal with these you know, side effects and whatnot.

1067
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: And so we didn't have it removed. And um and

1068
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: the on college my oncollegies now believes it's an overactive

1069
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: limpho seal. So it's basically it's a limp node and

1070
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: fill with some emphatic drainage. And and we watch it

1071
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: every six months. I get a CT scan and we

1072
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: watch it and it kind of hasn't really grown, and

1073
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: sometimes it will shrink or change shapes, and you know,

1074
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: just we're watching it. So I feel like I got

1075
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: this little thing I get to keep tabs on. Now

1076
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: here's a part of the movie I don't understand. I

1077
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't feel like it goes adequately addressed.

1078
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be because it's almost like fourth wall.

1079
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: It's a fourth wall issue. I'll explain that. Um. So

1080
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: when we'll say break in the fourth wall, it is

1081
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: kind of a production term where you imagine that you're

1082
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: filming a room. Um, I'm telling you the listeners this

1083
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: not not EDWARDO. But you're filming a room, right, and

1084
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: you can always see three room three walls of the

1085
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: room because the fourth walls is where the camera's sitting.

1086
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: So in productions, say like to break the fourth wall

1087
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: is to sort of acknowledge the presence of of the

1088
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: fact that there's some level of artifice here and that

1089
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: this is being filmed. Right, So watch the movie. You're

1090
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: just sort of engrossed and all the stuff that's going on.

1091
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: But let's say we break the fourth Wallman, how in

1092
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: the world, Why in the world, or how did it

1093
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: come up within days of this injury when you still

1094
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: don't even know if you're gonna live or die. You

1095
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: guys that your your ex girlfriend comes and you guys

1096
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: come to a decision just to start filming it. Mhm

1097
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: Like what was that conversation? Yeah, um, great question. And um,

1098
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: that's the that the result of filming hold on, I'm

1099
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: getting side check. The reason why we have so much

1100
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: footage from the hospital in the moment is that we

1101
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: had just finished wrapping up filming. Allen eleven this pilot

1102
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: for this TV show. Right, So I already had a

1103
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: DSLR camera and a light kit and lenses and we

1104
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: knew how to use it and filming four K or

1105
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: whatever else. And um, and and Jen is a creative.

1106
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: So Jen actually was the original mind behind Hey, Ed,

1107
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: you should have this TV show? And she storyboarded out

1108
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: and she taught herself, you know, how does the TV

1109
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: show happen? And she you know, grew up put it

1110
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: on paper. So she's a screenwriter also. And so when

1111
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: she was flying over, she says that she had she

1112
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: told her best friend the UK when she was flying over.

1113
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, We've already been documenting Ed's life for two

1114
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: years for this TV show. I'm going to keep documenting it.

1115
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, she coming to help. You were coming to

1116
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: film you help. She's coming to help. She's coming out

1117
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: of love a because that was it just struck me

1118
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: as so I I actually couldn't like, um, it was

1119
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: so the to you what I had to work to

1120
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: break free from that question. Yeah. So and so so

1121
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: my friend Sam drove my truck down with our camera

1122
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: and the production team that I was working with. Of course,

1123
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean I had people business partners from everywhere and

1124
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: friends from everyonere flying in to see me. I mean,

1125
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: this guy's like I'm almost dying, right. So obviously the

1126
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: company M working with on this television show, they fly

1127
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: in and they brought a tripod and they brought like

1128
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: a small handheld light and things. Um, because we're filming

1129
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: a TV show, and the TV show is not morphing

1130
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden into this hospital show. But I

1131
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: think what we were thinking, or what Jen was thinking,

1132
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: was we need to document this, like and you know,

1133
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: we need to document this, and had we really publicized

1134
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: that to the hospital, we probably wouldn't have got permission.

1135
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: So it was Jen with the handheld DSLR and just

1136
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: we're just filming this, so we have it. We're filming

1137
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: because even at one point I think it nerves even

1138
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: why are you're filming all this? Because I was I

1139
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: was filming on my phone and and um and Jen.

1140
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, part of Jen's reasoning too, is that so

1141
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: when I wake up and I'm missing a testicle and

1142
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: whatever else, you know, there's sort of when I come

1143
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: out of this this fog and this traumatic sort of

1144
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: place where I may not be fully present, that I

1145
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: would have I can go through hours of footage and

1146
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: see what the condition I was in, see how it

1147
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: could be like a coping mechanism. That yeah, that that

1148
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: that's it, you know, said eventually, I don't want to

1149
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: get to like production talk here, but instead of go

1150
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: and get releases from all these people, right right. So

1151
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: that's three years later, three years later, and I mean,

1152
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: that's its whole own fascinating story. But um, you know,

1153
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I it wasn't until two thousand and fourteen that the

1154
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: conversation really started to come around via friends that are

1155
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: in production and via gen and via family and you know,

1156
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: like how you should tell the story, you know, And

1157
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: I had no interest, had zero interests in telling the story. Um.

1158
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: And and it was actually the surgeon on call that

1159
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: saved my life, Dr Stephen Morris, who to me, he

1160
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: basically impressed upon me that um in fewer words, and

1161
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: I kind of took his words and extracted what I found.

1162
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: What I thought he was trying to tell me was

1163
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: that I lose a lot of patients. I lose a

1164
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: lot of people because they give up. And this is

1165
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: three years post Okay, so my hair has grown in

1166
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: and I'm standing and I'm walking and I'm back to

1167
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: work and looking healthy, and and he's he's like, your

1168
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: your your your recovery at WARDO is phenomenal, the way

1169
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: you've recovered, and the fact that you are not sharing

1170
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: this with others is like selfish almost, like you know,

1171
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: you have a human obligation to society to help those

1172
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: around you, and you are sitting on a really really

1173
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: kind of high high high opportunities, this quality opportunity to

1174
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: help others by just saying, this is what recovery can

1175
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: look like if all these parts come together, which is

1176
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: not just about EDWARDO. It's about if your if your

1177
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: community comes together, if if your family comes together, if

1178
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: if all the pieces come together. You know, um, if

1179
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: the patient, you know, even if you're splinted, you know,

1180
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: even if you can't move is there's many times when

1181
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't move my arms, I couldn't do anything but

1182
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: move my eyes. But even as the patient of the

1183
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: patient resumes responsibility to bring in as much fire and

1184
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: stoke that so the nurse and operating team knows that

1185
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: patient is fighting. We're fighting with that patient. And I

1186
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: think that's what he was trying to task me and

1187
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: challenge me with it's like you should be helping others

1188
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: with this. Well that that's what the the movie ultimately

1189
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: is about recovery and family and the people that you

1190
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: keep around you and how you maintain yourself in life

1191
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: under hardship. We focus a lot here on on details

1192
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: of the injury, but that's just a small fraction of

1193
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: the movie, and it really becomes pretty heavily focused on

1194
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: the sort of a reevaluation of the relationship between you

1195
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: and your father, and also trying to make sense out

1196
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: of a really complex relationship with a woman that you

1197
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: are in love with and she's in love with you,

1198
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: and you go through some thing like this together but

1199
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: still there's this nagging sense that you're not together. Yeah,

1200
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: it's it's touching the thing that struggling most. And the

1201
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: movie moved me to tears because at the point I'm

1202
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: sure it does a lot of people. Eduardo goes to

1203
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: high school to talk to some kids about um, just

1204
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: how to cope and and and be together and how

1205
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: to treat other human beings. I think is maybe one

1206
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: way to putting it. And you're saying that here, here

1207
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: I am now and this has happened to me that

1208
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: I have this kind of incredible story. And and you

1209
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: go on TV and you've been on all kinds of

1210
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: news shows and morning shows talking about it, and it's

1211
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: like all about you, but you're saying, it's really not

1212
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: um about you, it's about other people. And at the

1213
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: end of this talking kid comes the kids suffering, suffering

1214
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: bad and his brother has been injured by a firework

1215
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: and you like the way that you each new mm

1216
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: hmm was impactful, like what he's going through. Yeah, when

1217
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: when one survivor looks at another survivor, you almost don't

1218
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: have to say a word. It was amazing. It's an

1219
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: amazing moment, like an amazing moment that that have captured

1220
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: to be captured on film. You know, that school had

1221
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: been going through a major rash of suicides, like many

1222
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: in our country right now, and um, you know in

1223
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: our high school youth, um, which is something that I

1224
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: don't understand fully. And so the high school asked if

1225
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: I would share my story and you know, how do

1226
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: you say? And I stressed about that talk. How do

1227
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: you how do you feel forty five minutes of conversation

1228
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: with two thousand high school students that you know, I

1229
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: have my niece and nephew were in that school, and

1230
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, I mean, I love him the pieces

1231
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: and they love uncle, but you know, oftentimes they don't

1232
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: want to give me more in the second it's the

1233
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: most cynical age, no, And you know, and I and

1234
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: in high school was not my glamoury years. You know

1235
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: then you know, I was getting kicked out of every

1236
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: school ever went to. So you got, That's what I

1237
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: was equally impressed with the connection with the I can't

1238
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: remember if that was the next kid or the kid

1239
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: prior to the one that had the brother with the injury,

1240
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: but the other kid that just really related with you

1241
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: having like a rough upbringing and not rough upbringing, but

1242
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: just rough earlier years where you got into trouble and whatnot.

1243
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: And you could tell he was probably sort of like

1244
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: probably not getting straight a's, having a rough go at

1245
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: it and just being able to relate it was good.

1246
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: Was so we we did a We had a Q

1247
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: and A after It's the funniest thing. As I released

1248
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: the assembly two thousand kids like talk was over, um,

1249
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: good night, you know, I'm out and uh, and I

1250
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: forgot that we had a Q and A, you know,

1251
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: like we had already just held hands and everything, and

1252
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: I forgot that we had a Q and A. One

1253
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: of the student bodies that was running the assembly was

1254
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: like mr Garcia, Mr Garcia, the Q and A, and

1255
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: I grabbed the mic and I was like yo, and

1256
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: just yelled and arrested everyone in their tracks. I was like,

1257
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: sit down, we're not done yet. And I just told them, like,

1258
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: we're done. And so we do a Q and A.

1259
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 1: And think about this, like, high schools are really really

1260
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: really challenging time in any young adults life, and think

1261
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: about getting up on a mic and sharing anything with

1262
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: your entire student body. And so it's like an auction,

1263
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: you know. When as soon as I was like there's

1264
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: a mic here, we're gonna do a Q and A,

1265
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: I know there's some questions out in the room. Who's

1266
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna go first? And it was like an auction. I

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: was just like looking for anyone to scratch their nose

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01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: or flinch, and I was gonna call on them. And

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01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: so some kid flinches. Not called on him, and he

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: was brave enough to get all the way up all

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: across the auditorium and get to the mic. And his

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: question was where can I eat your food? You know,

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 1: and uh, but it broke the ice. It broke the ice,

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we have a line of

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01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: kids and we did a thirty minute Q and A

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01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: and we had to end the seconds. That's all. We

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: ended the session with twenty kids still standing behind the mic. Um.

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: But you know, and you know that talks. So that's

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01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm doing. That's my focus for two

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, and you know, in like onward for

1281
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: many years, is to bring my life experience via I'm

1282
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: so grateful, man, I'm so grateful that there's a film

1283
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: like this out there that takes my story and objectively

1284
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: puts it out there in a way that almost anybody

1285
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: from any walk of life, at any age can reflect

1286
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: upon their own lives with. Yes, it's told through my

1287
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: story and it's told through my shitty day, but it

1288
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: raises um, it raises emotions, and it raises challenges that

1289
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: every single one of us experiences. And no one's immune

1290
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: to grief and loss and you know, wrongdoings and forgiveness

1291
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: and love. You know, we all we all experience that.

1292
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: So um. You know, I you know, I have great hopes.

1293
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: I have super high hopes for this part of my

1294
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: life coming forward, you know, is to um, let this

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01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: film be its own, its own thing, you know, and

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01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: I didn't make the film. We gotta go. That's important

1297
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: time to stand for you know, everyone listening, is that

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: I signed this sweet little piece of paper that's actually

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: quite short, and it just called it's Life Life Story

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: Rights Release. And you know you have the opportunity to

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01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: list an made by the director and producer Philip Philip

1302
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: bar b Yeah, so the director is Phil bar Boo

1303
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: who also U recently finished an award winning feature length

1304
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: documentary called Unbranded, which everyone should check out. And um,

1305
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 1: but but you know, when you sign your life Story

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: Rights away, you can list. I don't want to talk

1307
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: about the fact that I had to testicular cancer. I

1308
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that I'm from emigrant Montana, like,

1309
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: and I left it blank. I didn't put anything down

1310
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: because for me, you know, I could have put I

1311
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the fact that I was

1312
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: a lying, cheating asshole to my ex girlfriend. But um,

1313
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: for me, look, I'm looking for healing in this too,

1314
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: Like I need to get something out of this process,

1315
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: out of this film and beyond my interest in helping

1316
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: others by sharing what recovery looks like via my story.

1317
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm also still to this day right here with you guys,

1318
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: like I am still going through like the aftermath of

1319
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: a super traumatic event that I'm still trying to make

1320
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: like right in my mind. That that's touched on well

1321
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: towards the end of the movie, like you're you're you're

1322
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: out of it, not not not of it mentally, but

1323
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: you you kind of your your future is sort of clear.

1324
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm starting to find like where my new purpose is

1325
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: going to be. And and you're with your father, right,

1326
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and it comes up, it comes up

1327
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, that the it all this that all

1328
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: this optimism that you have and the sort of uplifting

1329
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: nature of this and the way you're spinning this to

1330
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: other people, not spinning the way, the portion of it

1331
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: that you're choosing to share with other people and the

1332
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: parts of it that you're picking out to have it

1333
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: be that this is what you want your legacy and

1334
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: story to be, Like that underneath it is there's a

1335
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: sadness that's there. Yeah, and you your your father sees

1336
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: it and you admit to it, and you guys talk

1337
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: about it, and it's something that like I think it's

1338
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: it's an important part to bring up because you could

1339
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: look at someone and someone who's doing their best to

1340
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: put all this in a good light, just like the transparency,

1341
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: the acknowledgement of of your faults, how you want this

1342
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: to be, how you want people to discuss you and

1343
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: perceive you that when you see someone who's just kicking

1344
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: ass in dire circumstances, it's not that they're different than

1345
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: you are and they're just immune to feelings of self

1346
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: doubt and in me into feelings of depression. It's because

1347
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: probably what's happening is that person is making a day

1348
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: to day conscious decision two to be like, there's the

1349
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: parts of this that I'm gonna be that I'm going

1350
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: to focus on and talk about, and there's the parts

1351
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: of this that I'm going to deal with internally, and

1352
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: that probably becomes a tremendous burden for someone and and

1353
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: and you and in all fairs, you kind of allow

1354
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: it to come out in the movie that yes, there

1355
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: is like a there's there's a sadness down in here

1356
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna deny. But it's not going to

1357
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: be the part that I hold out to other people. Well,

1358
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: it says, it's it's it's a part that I didn't

1359
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: even know, Like I'm moving a mile a minute. Just

1360
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: my way of life, my way of my natural way

1361
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: of being is just to move forward quickly through things.

1362
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: And I it wasn't until halfway through the six last

1363
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: six years of recovery that I started to hear from

1364
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: a gal I was dating, or from a friend, you know,

1365
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: like hey, you're kind of dick man, or hey, you

1366
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: know you you talk about being happy and positive all

1367
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: the time, but I don't think I see that, you know.

1368
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: So I started to actually go to my closest friends

1369
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know, I would love to hear

1370
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: from you. What do you see in me that's challenging

1371
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: to you? What what in me is something I could

1372
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: get rid of and be better off without, you know?

1373
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: And I started to assess, you know, this this gal

1374
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: I was dating, it was like, you talked about being happy,

1375
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: but you don't look so happy, man, you don't sound

1376
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: so happy. And I started to think, like, really, am

1377
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: I not happy? You know? And and but was it

1378
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: an anger? No? You know, I think I think what

1379
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if I do something that was already

1380
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: there was something that was laid over everything else because

1381
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: of the injury. I think I think I hadn't done

1382
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: the emotional work like it was. It was easy to

1383
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: figure out how to hike again. It was easy to

1384
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: figure out how to get on a bike or fly

1385
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: fish relatives. I'll do respect anyone out there who's trying

1386
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: to get back on the pony. Right. For me, the

1387
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: the coal's easiest part to get back into. But the

1388
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 1: emotional part I was. Honestly, this injury probably started pulling

1389
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: up emotional baggage from you know, somewhere earlier in life. Also,

1390
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: it started pulling out everything, you know, not having a dad,

1391
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: from the age of two weeks old, through like all

1392
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: kinds of things. So, you know, I think what the

1393
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: film teaches us through my story is that you know,

1394
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: every experience positive, hold on, just move positive or negative aside.

1395
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: Let's not associate those words with an experience. Every experience

1396
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: is a circumstance by which we can really make it

1397
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: what we want, right Like we have veterans. We have veterans,

1398
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: and everyday people's coming through trauma and being wrapped in

1399
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: bubble rap when they come out of trauma, like, here's

1400
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: your meds, here's your help, here's your this almost being

1401
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: encouraged not to get strong again, whereas I kind of

1402
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: feel and please, this is all due respect to anyone

1403
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: going through tough stuff. I'm just speaking about. What I

1404
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: know is that I think we're forged by fire. I

1405
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: think that if we survive something intense, by my mind,

1406
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: we should be stronger after that via the experience, via

1407
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: the learned sensorial, physical, chemical experience of all of it.

1408
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: We should be just this stronger human being that now

1409
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 1: has experience with trauma. So the next time we experience it,

1410
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: because we we are going to that. It's a bitter

1411
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: sweet life we live. So the next time it happens,

1412
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: we will if we've embraced it, if we've learned from it,

1413
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: if we've used it to make to to really add

1414
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: on to our experience in life. I think that we

1415
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: will be able to address the next event in our

1416
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: life with just you know, as a more adaptable human being.

1417
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: If we're not crutched by meds, if we're not clouded

1418
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: by meds, if we're not kind of brought back into

1419
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: society as oh, you're an amputee, let me give you

1420
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: a HARKing sticker for your review mirror. Of course someone

1421
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: may really need that and they should use it. Do

1422
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: you get where I'm going with? So, you know, for me,

1423
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: I understand by me, it's like I just had to

1424
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: hear you say it because I can't. I don't have

1425
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: anything comfarable. No, it was like, well, it's like I

1426
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: was LK hunting three days ago, and um, you know,

1427
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: guy got a great bowl, buddy of mine, and we're

1428
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: less than a quarter mile from the truck. But of

1429
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: course the last quarter mile is you know, down this steep,

1430
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: nasty hill with chopstick deadfall everywhere, and we're dragging this

1431
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: caped head out. He's got the high and everything ways

1432
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: double what it should, you know, and we're dragging it out,

1433
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 1: and um my buddy calls for a break. So we

1434
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: break and he's like man, he's like, he's like, man,

1435
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: we switched sides. Man, my hand is killing me, Like

1436
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: my arm is killing me. Like look over this guy,

1437
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: and I like, lift up my hook and my right hand.

1438
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're gonna call you're gonna say that to

1439
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: a guy we want hand? Your hands killing you, you know,

1440
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: And so I think, look for me, this film was

1441
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: not made by me. This was made by an objective

1442
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: team of talented storytellers. Phil Baraboo and his whole team

1443
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: took three eighty six hours of footage and they brought

1444
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: that down to an eight hour assembly of selected imagery

1445
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: that they felt was strong, and then from that they

1446
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: brought it down to, you know, the two hour version,

1447
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: which was the first thing I got to see. So

1448
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: I didn't even touch any of this until it was

1449
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: at two hours. And now it's an eighty six minute

1450
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: film that is out there in the public, which just

1451
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: released two weeks ago, and I didn't make a single

1452
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: edit on it. I didn't make one change to any

1453
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: of it, because for me, part of my healing is

1454
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: to say to the outside world, which is the director

1455
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: and his team, he knows the message I wanted. He

1456
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: knows that I was really hell bent on it being

1457
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: this root like recovery tool for others and um and

1458
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: he kept that in mind. But I was interested in

1459
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: seeing what does one else see in my story. I

1460
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: don't want this to be EDWARDO on the mountaintop saying

1461
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: like this is me, everybody. I wanted it to be

1462
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: those guys looking in and then pulling out through their life.

1463
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: So and I think it's it's a beautiful film for

1464
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: that reason that it's it's this more general human peace.

1465
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's called Charged. The Eduardo Darcias story just released.

1466
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: That's insane too, you know, that's insane. I'm flying on

1467
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: Delta back from New York City last week and someone

1468
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the shirt and it says it says Charged, EDWARDO.

1469
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: Garcia's story, and the guy checks me and he's like, welcome,

1470
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, like, have a good fight, Mr Garcia. What's

1471
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: what's the Charged? And then I get to say, oh,

1472
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: this is documentary film. I don't even have says about me.

1473
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: I can say, oh, it's a killer documentary. It's on

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: Amazon iTunes and basically everywhere else that you download your films.

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: Go watch it. That's all I get say, you know,

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01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: which is surreal. Yeah, I think everyone should check it out.

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: So that's where it's at Amazon, Amazon iTunes and all

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: the other subscription based platforms that are out there for

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: digital download. Um and obviously you can go to charge

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01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: film dot com, which is our website which has a

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: lot of the you know, more of our bios and

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: story um, and obviously about the film team. Um, you know,

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you know, we'll see, we'll see what's

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: next the next time we have yann, I want to

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: do an episode called Hunting with a Hook. Let's do it.

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01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: And have you explained all that? You mean, how I

1487
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: can still hide off and still you still skin out

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01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: your bowl, hunt your rifle? Hunt? Well, this has better

1489
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: purchase than your hands on a slippery high, is my guest.

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: You just poke a hole, and you know how you

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01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: have like a meat gaff, you know, but just have

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: like meat gaff that's kind of like a meat gaff.

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01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: Just poke a little hole in the hide. You can

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01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: self arresting, you know, you get a knife on there,

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, you probably all for rest.

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: And then I point out to that you had a

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: stainless steel anvil, Yeah, installed on there for crushing walnuts

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01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: and flat and garlic and whatnot. Yeah, well that that

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01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: that actually came around because I busted a pot. I

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: slammed a hole through the bottom of my carbon fiber socket,

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: which is basically the prosthesis, you know, shell that goes

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: over my form. I was pounding steaks with a ranching

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: buddy fiberglass stakes for an electric pen. I didn't touch

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: the like yeah you know, so yeah, and you know,

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01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: but the thing is that it's it's it's great to

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,919
Speaker 1: have a left hand back, which is my hook. However,

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: you know, we we can't. We we cope, we figure

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: it out, you know. Um, I I wrap those little

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01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: hot hand warmer pads to it because there's so much

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01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: metal on this that this just sucks the cold in.

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01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: It gets cold. Yeah. Man, when I get when I

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01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: you know, if I if I've been out all day

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: and I It'll take hours for that form to warm

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01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: up for sure. Just feel it traveling up your arm. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: Before we I got one last question for you. Before

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01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: we started, we were talking about the rapidly evolving UM

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01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:22,520
Speaker 1: language we use, ah, you know, just in in uh

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01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: terms of political correctness and other things, and just like

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: how we describe people, what what sorts of things ring

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01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: true and not true to you terms amputee handicap I

1521
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean I think if someone some you know,

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01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 1: if if if if I if I overheard or directly

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01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,839
Speaker 1: it was you know, in a conversation and being addressed

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: as being handicapped, probably challenge whoever to push up contest

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01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: or something like I don't know, but um if someone

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: said like, hey, look at that handicap guy, yeah you

1527
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: know or oh you know. But but then the same

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01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: goes to there's like I think we need to curb

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: our entusiasm for wanting to find fault in everything. Like

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01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be a little bit more

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01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: leniency to just just being organic. Right, So so if

1532
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: someone you know says, oh, can I help you with that?

1533
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: You're missing a hand, I'm not going to attack the

1534
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: person like, sure, hold the bag, you know, thanks. You know,

1535
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: for sure, That's something that comes with me all the

1536
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: time because I think that if you if you spend

1537
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: your life hanging around younger people who are more involved

1538
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: in sort of the evolving cultural dialogue and cultural landscape,

1539
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: they have a sense of you know, they can tiptoe

1540
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: through the mind field of terms and ways we talk

1541
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: about things, and they're hip to like changes. But then

1542
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: if I go back to where I grew up and

1543
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm talking to someone, you know, one of

1544
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: my father's contemporaries who's in their eighties now, and they

1545
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, spend their time fishing and

1546
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: living a real environment, and they'll and I know what

1547
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: their heart within their heart, and I know just from

1548
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: having a lifetime exposure to them, what kind of person

1549
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: they are, and they'll use language that would too many

1550
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,480
Speaker 1: people betray another kind of person. M But their adoption

1551
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: of it was so long ago that they felt that

1552
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: they were moving in the right direction and never heard otherwise. Yeah,

1553
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: for you, listen, you know, I would encourage for me,

1554
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm honestly unless unless I kind of I think I

1555
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: kind of just decided I was not gonna be moved

1556
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: by other people's interpretation of what they see, Like I mean,

1557
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: first of all, and that didn't start with my injury,

1558
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: but it was probably super crystallized with my injury. But

1559
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: growing up a Mexican kid in a country town southwest Montana,

1560
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, change my name from Eduardo to Edward Eddie

1561
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: just so I wouldn't get made fun of, you know,

1562
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: like so that prejudice, you know, you know I saw

1563
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: that early in life, you know. And uh, and so

1564
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: for now, this for me is just a radical humility test.

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01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: It's just a it's just a radical introduction into just

1566
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: being a little bit more human. You know, like Michael

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01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: Frontie who always wears a hat, right, stay human, And

1568
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: I think that just means it needs to be room

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01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: for organic occurrence to happen. And of course some people

1570
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: are malicious and malintended, but not everybody. I think we

1571
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: need to continue to give people the benefit of the

1572
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: doubt that they're just trying to react the way they

1573
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: naturally know. And let's just hope they're open to being

1574
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: told like, hey, that kind of hurt me this way,

1575
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: but you know, like call a handicap person just Mr

1576
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: so and so instead of like that guy who's handicapped,

1577
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: you need help, you know, um. And I would encourage

1578
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: everybody get get involved, you know, get involved in something

1579
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: that challenges you. So I do a lot of work

1580
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: right now with the group called the Challenge Athletes Foundation

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: at of San Diego, and that's the group that I'm

1582
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: sort of doing these triathlons and stuff with, and so

1583
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: that what they stand for. They've been around for twenty years,

1584
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: nonprofit and they basically believe that through active sport, anybody

1585
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: can lead a healthier life. And of course their focus

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: is on on people with physical disabilities, whether it's congenital trauma,

1587
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: um or trauma based you know, and so you know,

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01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: through being a part being you know, one of their

1589
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: athletes now and one of their spokespersons. I also you know,

1590
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: fundraise for them. So I'm an active part of that UM.

1591
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: But what you know, what it does for me is

1592
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fun and it makes me feel like

1593
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: I have a community you know of other amputees that

1594
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: I and non amputees just folks with. You know, they

1595
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: were born with some type of you know, spin o

1596
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: bifida or whatever it may be. UM, some type of

1597
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: physical challenge, right, and let me tell you what you

1598
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 1: want to be inspired and go to Challenge Athletes Foundation

1599
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: event and you get your ass handed to you in

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: a swim by blind swimmer or a summer without legs

1601
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: and sure, you know, like you get smoked in the

1602
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: water by as summer with no legs and you're like

1603
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: blown away and you go up to the guy and

1604
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: you're like ship or the woman or whoever, and you

1605
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: shake their hand. You're like, wow, you just crush that

1606
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: swim and you have They're like thanks, but I had

1607
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: no drag through the water, m you know. So it's

1608
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: just like there's a humor right that they kind of

1609
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: they invite you into just smiling and laughing at the

1610
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: many different lenses that is being human today. You don't

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01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: have to have your legs, you know. I should have

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01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 1: one last question for you. You've you've come out of

1613
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: this a transformed person and and a powerful, powerful person,

1614
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: and you're in touch with the symbolism of what happened

1615
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: to you and how you came out of it. Do

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01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: you ever think to yourself, m Um, if you go

1617
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,839
Speaker 1: back to that day in October in two thousand eleven,

1618
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: if you once again had like grab your knife and

1619
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: reach out and touch the bear, would you touch the bearone?

1620
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change a thing. I don't imagine you would. Yeah,

1621
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: all right, man, thanks for joining us. Check out the

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01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 1: movie Charged, the Eduardo or Garcia's story