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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Hear's the

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Speaker 1: Thing from iHeart Radio. If you turn on your device

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Speaker 1: or television or go to the movies, you're likely to

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Speaker 1: have the good fortune of enjoying the work of my

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Speaker 1: guest today. Who else has such a prolific output a

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Speaker 1: starring role in a Coen Brothers movie, one Moment, and

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Speaker 1: a cameo in a network sitcom. Only one of the

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Speaker 1: hardest working people in show business, Richard Kind Kind single

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Speaker 1: handedly redefine the term character actor. Memorable roles on Spin

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Speaker 1: City and Curb Your Enthusiasm exploit his killer comedic timing,

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Speaker 1: while HBO's Luck and the Oscar winning Argo exercise his

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Speaker 1: dramatic chops. He lends his voice to animated films like

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Speaker 1: Cars and Inside Out, and then graces the stage as

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Speaker 1: a Tony nominated Drama Desk winning theater actor, and his

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Speaker 1: stage resume is deep, dirty, rotten Scoundrels, The Tale of

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Speaker 1: the Allagist's Wife, Candide, and kiss Me Kate. He even

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Speaker 1: starred as Max bi Ali Stock in the iconic mel

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Speaker 1: Brooks musical The Producers, kiss Me, Squeeze Me, Touch Me,

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Speaker 1: Love Me? What Are They? And the producers hulled me,

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Speaker 1: touch me, hold me. You played that part I did

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Speaker 1: Where did you do that part? Broadway and the Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Bowl and Mel wants me to do it in London

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Speaker 1: now Broadway mean after they when they left, you came

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Speaker 2: I did it? I did it? I call it. I

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Speaker 2: did it for Asians and Iowans because they got all

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Speaker 2: of the New Yorkers. Then Stephen Weber and it was

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Speaker 2: Henry Goodman, and then Brad Oscar did it for a while,

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Speaker 2: and they got some of the New Yorkers who couldn't

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Speaker 2: afford the expensive seats, and got smart people from all

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Speaker 2: over the country, you know, from cities. And then when

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Speaker 2: there's nobody left, that's when I came in the show.

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Speaker 2: I swaart of did I didn't? But I did it

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Speaker 2: with about eight different leos. Whenever there was a leo

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Speaker 2: put him in for three days to see what he

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Speaker 2: was like with me, and I would test him. And

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Speaker 2: there was one guy. One he's a lovely, lovely guy,

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Speaker 2: Patrick and I can't remember his last name. He has

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Speaker 2: a Broadway stalwart and so he's but he's built like

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Speaker 2: a bricks. No, no, no, no, no, he's playing Leo.

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Speaker 2: Nobody you would know.

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Speaker 1: He's built like a brick shootout and he's playing Leo.

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Speaker 2: And he's playing Leo. And at the end of the act,

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Speaker 2: I put my arm around him, you know, and go,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do it. We'll do it like that. And

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Speaker 2: I go, oh my god, this guy could pommel me.

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Speaker 2: But he's been in twenty Broadway shows. He's a real stallwarty.

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Speaker 2: But he's a he's a guy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people on Broadway who are more

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Speaker 2: known as understudies because they can do every sort of role.

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Speaker 2: They're in the cast, the swings, they can do everything,

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Speaker 2: and you have great talents, and they will not raise

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Speaker 2: them up to the role of performer.

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Speaker 1: And they should be.

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Speaker 2: They mistakenly keep themselves in constant employ employment as swings

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Speaker 2: and they don't have the ambition to rise above. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting person I.

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Speaker 1: Found, and I'm sure you found over these low these

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Speaker 1: many years that for some of them, certainly not all

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Speaker 1: of them, it's about geography. They don't want to leave town.

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Speaker 1: There's things they could go do that could maybe help

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Speaker 1: their career whatever. Maybe TV films or shows. But they

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Speaker 1: want to stay in New York. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: leave wife, kids. Yeah, I remember them doing soaps. We

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Speaker 1: used to call Upper Montclair, New Jersey, the soap opera Riviera.

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Speaker 1: They all lived out there, and yeah, and that was

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Speaker 1: not fair.

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Speaker 2: I believe that. But no, I don't totally agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, And right off, we don't content us. No,

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Speaker 2: they want to stay in a position. Maybe they do

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Speaker 2: have families, and that is why they are complacent about

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Speaker 1: So complacency is to blame for their career.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. They work all the time. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's complacency, but it's not fear of travel, because a

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Speaker 2: lot of them go on the road. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: more money to be made on the road. You get

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Speaker 2: per diem and you get.

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Speaker 1: The moment you walked in, I knew you were not

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Speaker 1: going to have the kind of conversation I called the

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Speaker 1: log rolling conversation. But none of us is going in

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Speaker 1: the water. I guess which one's going to go in

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Speaker 2: Right, But I'm right about this to you on everything

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Speaker 2: now we're still dry.

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Speaker 1: We also concluded my producers and I who work on

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Speaker 1: the show with me, we also concluded that this podcast

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Speaker 1: is the only thing in show business you haven't done yet.

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Speaker 1: This is this one show You've done everything.

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Speaker 2: But it's crazy. I know I should be much wealthier.

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Speaker 2: I do everything. I have said this before. I am

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Speaker 2: the costco of acting. I come in quantity and I

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Speaker 2: come cheap.

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Speaker 1: And that's right.

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Speaker 2: The toilet paper like toilet paper. Yes, instead of buying

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Speaker 2: twelve rolls at the CBS, you got twenty six for

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Speaker 2: the same price. Yes, that's me.

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Speaker 1: When you were a child, New Jersey, Buck, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was head of store in Princeton, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: She was in Princeton, Western New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: There, but I'm on the way to Yeah, we were

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Speaker 2: right across the river.

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Speaker 1: Right. The point is that you're there. What was because

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Speaker 1: I'll preface this by saying, when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: and there was only network TV, no streaming, no HBO,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I watched the little album. You call it

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Speaker 2: network TV. I called it Channel two, Channel four and

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Speaker 2: channel seven and O R P I x exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: And we would watch the Million Dollar Movie five times

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Speaker 2: a week. Monday through Friday was the same one every week.

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Speaker 2: What was the theme song for a million dollar movie?

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Speaker 1: From Gone with the Wind?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much? Okay, please let's go out and

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Speaker 2: coming both on the log right now?

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Speaker 1: Saw falls to be here. Now wait a second. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get you with that in a minute. But

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, it was all like I would.

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Speaker 1: There were some dramas and whatever, But I watched f

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Speaker 1: Troop and Gilligan's Island and all this crap all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I dream of Genie. I watched Network Comedy.

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Speaker 2: I knew that was my roots, and I knew the

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Speaker 2: TV guide and at that time I had my finger

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Speaker 2: How So, okay, who wants to be a millionaire? Who's

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Speaker 2: gonna watch Who wants to be a millionaire? It's Jeopardy

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Speaker 2: with seven questions. I said, nobody's gonna watch this biggest

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Speaker 2: And I go, it can't be that you did. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you something I was the first

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Speaker 2: person to ever win a million dollars? And who wants

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Speaker 2: to be a millionaire? Oh my god, I'll tell you how,

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Speaker 2: wes No, I'll tell you how. It was an ABC

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Speaker 2: show and my character from Spin City goes on who

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Speaker 2: wants to be a Millionaire? And I win a million dollars?

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Speaker 2: And nobody who would win a million dollars had been

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Speaker 2: broadcast yet? Hey? Hey really no? No? Yeah, okay, okay, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: You're sure?

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Speaker 2: Yes, d me? He is your final les Hey, d D.

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Speaker 2: Saya So I was the first person. I wasn't. Paul

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Speaker 2: Lassiter from Spen City was the first person, and that

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Speaker 2: and there were some people.

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Speaker 1: Who do you have a lot of confusion between yourself

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Speaker 1: and your character.

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Speaker 2: This is how good I am won, this is who

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Speaker 2: how good I am? But really was past I immersed myself.

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Speaker 1: I kissed Elizabeth Taylor. It really was, Uh, it was it.

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Speaker 2: Was flat Okay, But I'll tell you something else. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember when Farah Fawcett had her poster oute right

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Speaker 2: of course? Okay, Arnold Schwarzenegger said, I will be bigger

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Speaker 2: than Farah Fawcett at the time. We all snorted and

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Speaker 2: I said, who the hell does this idiot I think

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Speaker 2: my finger on the pope. I don't know what There

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Speaker 2: was a day that happened, but when it continues today.

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Speaker 1: I'm at a party the other day and Greta Gerberg

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Speaker 1: is there with bomb back, and I said to them,

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Speaker 1: if I could go back and I could have one wish,

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Speaker 1: my wish would be I go back in time while

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Speaker 1: you were filming. I'd say, Barbie is going to earn

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars worldwide and take all comers, take all

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Speaker 1: back exactly, cover everything. Yeah, And they looked at me like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a weird thing, exactly. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I was at a poker game with a guy friend.

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Speaker 2: So he's at the poker game and says, my wife

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Speaker 2: has been asked to write a pitch for the Lego movie,

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Yes, all of a sudden three

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Speaker 1: We just left my career. I make a movie with

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Speaker 1: my ex wife. We decide we want to work together.

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Speaker 1: We weren't really very fussy about what we were doing,

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Speaker 1: this original script that Walter Hill wrote for The Getaway

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Speaker 1: with Steve McQueen, and we decided we're going to do

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Speaker 1: a remake of The Getabay.

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 1: I want to do an action film. I hadn't done

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Speaker 1: And then we go do it with Roger Donaldson. And

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Speaker 1: which is always dicey, and the movie comes out, but

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Speaker 1: we're up against the movie. I looked at my ex

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Speaker 1: wife and I said, we're in. We scored, We're up

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Speaker 1: against this movie. We're opening weekend against this movie. Ace

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Speaker 1: Who knows?

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Speaker 2: I do not have my polls, but your childhood, my childhood.

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Speaker 2: I knew everything pas TV, I knew everything well. Dick

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Speaker 2: Van Dyke, by the way, who did I have breakfast

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Speaker 2: with this morning? Bill Persky? Oh god, who created? Well,

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Speaker 2: he didn't create, but he wrote the lion's share of

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Speaker 2: Dick Van Dykes shows, and he quoted, he quoted an

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Speaker 2: episode that Howie Morris did. And I go yes, And

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Speaker 2: Dick Van Dyke, sho gets smart, get smart? Was it

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Speaker 2: was manna to me? That's what I was raised at,

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Speaker 2: Soupy Sales. Was manna to me? I was, I was

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Speaker 1: Had, Richard Kind. If you enjoy conversations with inspiring comedic actors,

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Speaker 2: I'm one of the I'm stupidly I like auditioning, right,

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Speaker 2: mean short for unknown subject. That was the name of

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Speaker 2: the show, unsubbed unsub. It was like, why don't they

434
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: just drive the fucking camera truck into the lake. You're right,

435
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 2: but the word unsub. They were chasing unknown subjects. Whenever

436
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: I see Peter Roth, you remember Peter Roth for brother.

437
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 2: Whenever I see Peter Roth, he asks me, he goes,

438
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: we were the first. We were the first procedural. And

439
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding unsub unsub because usually police shows went

440
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 2: into their private lives. This was only about what they

441
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 2: were doing, the crime, the crime, the work. Now here

442
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: was the first episode? Are you ready?

443
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Speaker 1: Yes?

444
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Speaker 2: Paul Gilfoyle Wonderful Acts love Gilfoyle. Okay. Gilfoyle plays a cobbler,

445
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: a shoemaker who puts razor blades in the heels of

446
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: women's shoes. When they try them on, they bend over

447
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 2: in pain and he stabs them in the back of

448
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: the neck with an all Okay, so this is in

449
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: the eighties. Okay. So he comes running home to his mother,

450
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: Grace Zabriski, the Great Gray Sabriskie, who's lying in a

451
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: bathtub with her legs spread, and he comes in. He goes, mother, Mother, Mother,

452
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: Mother had done something bad. Okay. This was the first episode.

453
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: Brandon Tartakoff had gone to lunch with Stephen Cannell. He

454
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Speaker 2: had two writers, Steve Cronish and I can't remember the

455
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: other guy's name, and they had created a show called

456
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Speaker 2: Wise Guy. So Cannell goes to Tartakoff and says, I

457
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: got a show for you about the guys who chase

458
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: serial killers. He thought he was getting eight team, He

459
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: thought he was going to get another eight teams. He

460
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: sees the first episode with the killer. It happens to

461
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: see it the night after Harado Rivera had a show

462
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: on about which craft. It was on NBC, and the

463
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: reviewers said, this is the bottom of network TV. It

464
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: can never go lower, and Tartakoff is getting attacked. He

465
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: sees this episode the next day in the screening room.

466
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Midway through, he stands up and he goes, what the

467
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: fuck are you trying to do? Bring down this network

468
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: single handedly? So Canell knew the show was off, but

469
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: we did eleven episodes. How were the Carol Burnett experience?

470
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh that was the greatest great, Well, let me tell

471
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: you about Carol Burnett. I worship her. So I go

472
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Speaker 2: in for the audition. I had done a show called

473
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Speaker 2: an episode of Anything But Love with Jamie Lee Curtis

474
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Speaker 2: and Richard Lewis, and the producer of that says, you know,

475
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Speaker 2: he's great, instead of the casting director coming out to

476
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Speaker 2: get me, and I'm just I'm the only one there

477
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Speaker 2: out in this hallway, said the casting actor Colling. Richard,

478
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Speaker 2: come on in. Carol Burnett comes out to the hallway

479
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Speaker 2: and says, Richard, come on in, let's play. And I said,

480
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: well that how you'll run Hollywood. We hear your good.

481
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: Let's see your best. Not come on in and show us,

482
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: show us what you can do. It's come on in

483
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: and let's play, let's see if we can have you

484
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: at your best, and I went in. I read with her,

485
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Speaker 2: and she, of course is Grace's. Of course has showed

486
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Speaker 2: her kindness. And I said, all right, I will.

487
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Speaker 1: Actor Richard Kind. If you're enjoying this conversation, tell a

488
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Speaker 1: friend and be sure to follow Here's the thing on

489
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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

490
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Speaker 1: When we come back, Richard Kind shares one of the

491
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Speaker 1: best pieces of acting advice he's ever been given. I'm

492
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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. We

493
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Speaker 1: all know and love. Richard Kine's long running characters Paul

494
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Speaker 1: Lassiter from Spin City and cousin Andy from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

495
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Speaker 1: Another role Kind is famous for is that of doctor

496
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Speaker 1: Mark Devino on Paul Riser's Man About You, but surprisingly

497
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Speaker 1: only for its first season.

498
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Speaker 2: Well I got fired, You're fired. Without knowing it. I

499
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: started off as a recurring character. We were on every

500
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Speaker 2: episode and we said, well, you got to make us

501
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Speaker 2: a regular. There's a big difference in pay see. After

502
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Speaker 2: about six episode, they made us regulars, and then we

503
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Speaker 2: asked them in April, am I going to be coming back. Yes,

504
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Speaker 2: of course, I go do the music Man out in

505
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Speaker 2: North Carolina in summers because I always do theater during

506
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Speaker 2: the summer, so I'm guaranteed I don't have to go

507
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Speaker 2: make a lot of money because I got a show

508
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Speaker 2: on the air. I get a call from Paul's manager

509
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Speaker 2: that I'm not coming back, and I start to cry.

510
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Speaker 2: It's on a payphone where I'm living out in North Carolina,

511
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Speaker 2: that you know we're sharing the And I get a

512
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: phone call and I go, why do They go, well,

513
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: we just don't think that you're working on it. I

514
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: was the only person who was let go and I said,

515
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: I don't understand, and they go, well, we just don't

516
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: think that you're right right now for the show. And

517
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: I just and I didn't call Paul. But and then Danny,

518
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: who was a great guy, but he did not stand

519
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: up for me. He thinks some funny, he thinks some

520
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: great but he did not stand up for me. And

521
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: they this is who the guy created the show.

522
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Speaker 1: And Paul and I.

523
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Speaker 2: Have made up with both of them, yeah, in ways

524
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: that we didn't even properly make up. But I should

525
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: I should be mad at both of them.

526
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: Well, listen, we all I was the biggest movie star

527
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Speaker 1: in the world at that time. Wanted me to do

528
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Speaker 1: a movie with him. And there's another guy they wanted.

529
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: They had cast this sky and then he couldn't. There

530
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: was a conflict in his schedule. He couldn't do the movie.

531
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: The TV show he's doing wouldn't let him out. So

532
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: they call me and they go, it's you. It's you,

533
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. The director, the writer, the producer, the star.

534
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: They call me. Oh, they're on a comfortable they're all

535
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Speaker 1: on a comfort Oh through the phone. Oh my god.

536
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in my car and like West Hollywood,

537
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to go buy like T shirts and some

538
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: fucking store there and on Melrose and they call me

539
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: and go, it's you. And my agent goes, it's you.

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00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna do the movie with you. Within a week,

541
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: nobody calls me. Nobody says they say, you're out. They

542
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: blow my deal. They completely dynamical because the guy they

543
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: make him available, the other guy comes back again, which

544
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: was their desire. And you never want a director looking

545
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: down the lens wishing somebody else was there. I've been

546
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: there before.

547
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I mean, in a series. You

548
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: can't quit, but they can fire.

549
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: You now when you go. This is always intriguing to

550
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Speaker 1: me because when I did thirty Rock with Tina. You know,

551
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: Tina was the one who, in whatever language she used,

552
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: she impressed upon me. The network's harder. It's harder to

553
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: make it funny. I know, you can't say fuck the

554
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: girl can't come out of the cake from the top

555
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: of Cable and streaming are different fish, and to make

556
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: it really funny and edergy on network is harder. Your

557
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: career transitions Carol Burnette and Mad About You and spend

558
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: Citty for years and then you go into curb. Describe

559
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: that arc for me. Do you miss the old ways

560
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: or do you like being able to say whatever you

561
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: want to say on streaming TV.

562
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Speaker 2: Gee, that's an interesting question that I don't know whether

563
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: I can answer. Like I just did an episode of

564
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Speaker 2: Night Court. I don't think you need to say whatever

565
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: you're referring to in order to be funny, but I

566
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: will tell you where I did miss it is right now.

567
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: I like doing single camera better than four camera. So

568
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: having just done Night Court, which I enjoyed and the

569
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: cast is phenomenal, and the show's funny, everything like that.

570
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: But I did a show called East New York last

571
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: year which was well regarded, highly rated, the Jimmy Smith's

572
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Amanda Warren. If you know Amanda, it's a great, great cast.

573
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: I missed cursing there did, Yes, I did. But but

574
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: for network it was as gritty as a show could

575
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: be a lah NYPD Blue because it's was written and

576
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 2: created by an NYPD Blue alum guy named Bill Finkelstein.

577
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: So using it warranted them.

578
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: It should, but it's Network TV and they there are

579
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: certain FCC rules.

580
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: That's a dramatic show. But it was, oh yeah, because

581
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: you like, I'm not just saying this to be kind.

582
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: There are people who are arthic, are very funny, who

583
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: you'd see that they had a and I see what

584
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I see. This is a very subjective process. But I

585
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: mean where you take Mathow and Mathou is comic genius

586
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: and he plays it straight. I put you in that category.

587
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: You can do it. You can do anything. Very you

588
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: can because you're because you have your commanding, your your

589
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you're articulate, you're beyond funny. But I mean you drive.

590
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: We used to stay on thirty Rock all the time.

591
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: You give the scene the stick to the end, you

592
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: give this you you don't pause. People just keep you

593
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: got to keep. Yeah, And you have that velocity in

594
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: that pace of a very smart person. And I put

595
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: you in that category where you can do the drama

596
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: as well.

597
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Well. I recently you do more drama. Who the fuck

598
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: is going to hire me?

599
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Somebody smart?

600
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, but you don't always get that in Hollywood.

601
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Now here's something that I did do and it's we're

602
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: trying to shop it now I should send it to you.

603
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: It's called hit Man. Do you know who Lawrence Block is? Yes,

604
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Lawrence Block wrote a series of books, three books called

605
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: hit Man. Each chapter is a hit. But it's a

606
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: guy who looks like me, maybe lives on thirty eighth

607
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: between second and third Murray Hill, exactly, a guy who

608
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: you would and is a killer the way some guys

609
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: are plumbers and some guys repair cars. He knows that

610
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: the HiT's going to be done. It's not that he's

611
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: a moral he just does his job. And that's the

612
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: kind of character it is. There is not a funny

613
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: moment in it.

614
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm you're gonna do it?

615
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: You think we did a twenty minute pilot and it's

616
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: pretty good friends of yours. Peter Regert, Karen Allen. They're

617
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: both in a worship parent. Oh, it's the best, the best,

618
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: that great, beautiful funny.

619
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

620
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And the Bill Sadler, you know Bill Sadler. You know there,

621
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: they're in it. And I am very quiet and not

622
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: loud and serious and it's straight up for good.

623
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Big Knife. Who invited you to the

624
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: party there? You weren't involved with Joanne when they did it,

625
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: And yes, I did.

626
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: It with Joanne and Joanne Joanne wanted you.

627
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: Who the part?

628
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Scott Cohen played the lidro? Yeah, yeah, I was wonderful.

629
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Speaker 2: And Chris Reeves's wife, Dana, Dana, and she was magnificent.

630
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: She was great.

631
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: I thank god, she had no idea. You talk about

632
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: taking a gamble, She had no idea. Who I was,

633
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: no idea in the world. So I go to the

634
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: Paul in her apartment and and I got up there

635
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: and that's where I read, and I read the thing.

636
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: And thank god she didn't know me from Mad About

637
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: You or or Spin City or any of that stuff,

638
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: so that I could be this character. And I came

639
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: in as a blank slate, and she gave me the job.

640
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: I was.

641
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.

642
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, when I'm I'm doing thirty Rock and we

643
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: get toward the end and I this was, how did

644
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Tina ask you to do it? Why? I think that

645
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: she jokingly said something to Lauren about me, or he

646
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: said something. It was always between the two of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, law Lauren.

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Speaker 1: Wanted me to come. He said, would you come and

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Speaker 1: do the show? And I did not want to do

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Speaker 1: a series because I was getting divorced and my daughter

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Speaker 1: was in LA and she was very young. And Lauren said,

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Speaker 1: I'll make the schedule suit you. You'll be able to

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Speaker 1: go to LA every weekend or every other weekend. So

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Speaker 1: they made the schedule very convenient for me. It was

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Speaker 1: almost a joke, and I went and did the show.

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Speaker 1: I remember toward the end. I mean, there were many

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Speaker 1: moments that was just very affecting to me throughout. I

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Speaker 1: mean many that I thought to myself, these guys are

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Speaker 1: just the funniest writers. But toward the end, I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there and they go, we want to ask your ex wife.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have Kenneth the page. I jack Donneghey

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Speaker 1: makes him the president of NBC Universal. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: make him the president, and his father has died, and

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Speaker 1: his stepmother's going to fly up to New York from

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Speaker 1: Georgia to visit him. And it's my ex wife, Kim

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Speaker 1: Basinger is going to play the part, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to have me fall in love with his stepmother and

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Speaker 1: marry my ex wife on the show Jesus, and Kenneth

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Speaker 1: becomes the president and he becomes my step son in law,

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Speaker 1: and the waves all came together. I was in tears,

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Speaker 1: laughing how amazing this was. But then Kim didn't want

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Speaker 1: to do the play.

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Speaker 2: She said, now, she just said, all right, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell you something. I once got the great honor

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Speaker 2: of introducing you at some benefit of some sort, and

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Speaker 2: I remember saying, I can't say to your face because

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Speaker 2: we're peers, we're friends, and you don't do that. But

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Speaker 2: you are phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're very good.

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Speaker 2: No, you're a you're great. And this was years ago,

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Speaker 2: and you're only greater. This is before you did thirty Rocket. Right,

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Speaker 2: you are precise, you are great. You you are just

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Speaker 2: dead on. It'sid enough that you're handsome, it's enough you're charismatic.

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Speaker 2: You're so good in the roles that you still go

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Speaker 2: but but that you are so good at podcasts. The

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Speaker 2: episode you did on the Garbage, I've ever listened to

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Speaker 2: it three four times. I tell everybody to listen to it.

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Speaker 2: It is so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: What's been more difficult for you the lifestyle and what

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Speaker 1: it's done and how it's played out in your life.

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Speaker 1: Never that family, kids, all that's being away, traveling or

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Speaker 1: the work itself.

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Speaker 2: Neither is hard. I mean, you have Daniel day Lewis

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Speaker 2: who submerges himself into the character, which I don't believe

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Speaker 2: at all, But he sits alone and he does that.

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Speaker 2: Michael Stolberg, I've seen do stuff like that. I show

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Speaker 2: up and I go today, I'm this guy. Let's play

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Speaker 2: pretend and I play pretend saying anybody else you the

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Speaker 2: same thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? But I but will I do?

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Speaker 2: I try to try. I do turn off my phone

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Speaker 2: on the set. First of all. I like talking to people,

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Speaker 2: and the people on the set are more interesting.

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Speaker 1: I want to stay connected to the set in the

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Speaker 1: world i'm in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was a great acting teacher who I was

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Speaker 2: lucky to have, Harry mastro Joy have him.

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Speaker 1: I heard the name.

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Speaker 2: He was great Raleiota took from him a lot and

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Speaker 2: anyway's pretty great. And he just said, just go play.

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Speaker 2: Pretend when you see kids out on a playground doing

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Speaker 2: Cowboys and Indians, there they go what tribe was I from?

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Speaker 1: Where?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What state?

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Speaker 2: Where's what state I went? Now they go play Cowboys

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Speaker 2: and Indians and that's.

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Speaker 1: That's when we play asters, which Apollo mission is this? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, But but in my head, in my head, I

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Speaker 2: imagine in my head, I've made decisions. I haven't done research,

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Speaker 2: but I have made decisions in my head.

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Speaker 1: This is where I know. Michael Dorsey, you Dustin's carater

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Speaker 1: right right, exactly exactly I am. I was a beefsteak

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Speaker 1: tomat all.

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Speaker 2: But but but he said, you have to go over

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Speaker 2: the script. All the answers are in the script. That's

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Speaker 2: what Harry said. Every answer you want is in the script,

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Speaker 2: and that's what they do. You pour over the script.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Hopkins used to do that, read the script thirty times,

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Speaker 2: he would read a third prey forty times. By the way,

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Speaker 2: you want a great story, my favorite showish story. I

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Speaker 2: know where we're going out about tomast go out on Tom.

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Speaker 2: If we'll go out on Tom McGowan, a great character actor,

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Speaker 2: great guy. There's a show called La Bette Friend of Yours.

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Speaker 2: Ron Silver is the lead. Okay, Ron Silver, a week

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Speaker 2: before they open, decides to quit. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: open the show. Tom McGowan is the understudy. They go

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Speaker 2: to Tom McGowan, They go, do you know the show?

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Speaker 2: He says, of course I do, and it's a forty

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Speaker 2: minute monologue. You know La Bette? Do you know the show?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: You can go on.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: They go, we are going to ask Kevin Kleine if

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Speaker 2: he wants to take over for Ron Silver. If he does,

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Speaker 2: we're going to close the show, rehearse for four weeks

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Speaker 2: and open with Kevin Klein. If Kevin Clein says no,

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Speaker 2: We're going to open on schedule in a week on

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Speaker 2: Broadway with you can you do it? Says of course.

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Speaker 2: He goes home to call his mother. He says, Mom,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna ask Kevin Klein if he wants to do it.

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Speaker 2: If he says no, I'm opening next week as the

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Speaker 2: lead in this Broadway show. His mother goes, oh, I hope.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Klein says, yes, I love him. It's my favorite show.

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Speaker 2: This story.

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Speaker 1: You're somebody who has that thing. You come on screen

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Speaker 1: and everybody's happy.

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 1: They're happy to see you. They know they're gonna laugh,

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Speaker 1: they know they're gonna think. They know that. You're an

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Speaker 1: intelligent comic actor mostly, but you do drama as well.

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Speaker 1: But you're somebody who the minu You come on screen,

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Speaker 1: everybody's happy. They're happy to be with you. They want

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Speaker 1: to be with you, and that's why you need to

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Speaker 1: do this until you're ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Fucker not what I will, but it's true. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think you're amazing. You're so talented. Everybody in this

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Speaker 1: business loves you. Everybody in the business loves you. That's

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Speaker 1: a big thing. Respect you. They think you can do

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Speaker 1: any they think you can do it. Well, don't cry anyway.

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Speaker 2: I love you, Thank you, I love you very very much.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: My thanks to Richard Kind. This episode was produced by

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Russo, Zach MacNeice, and Maureen Hobin. Our engineer is

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Speaker 1: Frank Imperial. Our social media manager is Danielle Gingrich. Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing is recorded at CDM Studios. I'm Alec Baldwin.

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Speaker 1: Here's the Thing is brought to you by iHeart Radio,