1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio, So 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: today I wanted to ask you, Samantha. I haven't been 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: very interested to know the answer to this question. Has 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: there ever been something that you really loved as a 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: kid and then people made you feel really embarrassed or 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: ashamed of loving it, and then as you got older, 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't come back to it, but you gave 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: it like a deeper a deeper thought. I don't know. 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of things that I loved as 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: a kid, but I don't know if I've ever felt 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: shame of it necessarily. I mean, we could go real 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: deep into the fact that trying to be very away 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: from my culture. So I was very ashamed to try 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: to do anything that was Asian because I wanted to 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: acclimate so badly. I know, a babysitters club, but I 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: feel like most of my friends did, so we were 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: cool on that. I love old movies, but it was 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: something that I could do on my own, so no 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: one really needed to tell me otherwise. I always felt 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: like I was trying to fit in, and so it 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: wasn't that I loved it. But I was trying to 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: make myself love it, so I was one of those kids, 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think I do. I will 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: say I did really love Twilight in my thirties, I 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: guess maybe twenties, late twenties, which there was a bit 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: of a shame factor. But even the people who made 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: fun of me when I would have them watch it 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: or get them interested to so they no longer felt shame. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: So I good. So I know I no longer felt 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: shame because I got them into it too, so they 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: couldn't say anything. Right, No, I don't really know. That's 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: a good example, because I do feel like a lot 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: of people shamed, especially young girls and women, for liking Twilight. Right. Yeah, 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: It's strange because I was both my relation and ship 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: with my brothers. I had two brothers when older, and 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: one younger was at times very antagonistic. But it's it's 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: complicated because they both made me feel ashamed of the 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: things I liked. Um Like, I was made fun of 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: for liking Star Wars even though they like Star Wars, 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: and I was made fun of for liking Harry Potter 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: even though they liked Harry Potter. But I will say 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: on that one, not at the same level if I did. 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: But they did make fun of me for liking Star Wars. 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: But at the same time I did. I wanted there. 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't know respect is the right word, but almost acceptance, 47 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: I guess. So when I would go yeah, when I 48 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: would go to school, I was kind of immune to 49 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: like if people made fun of me for liking Star Wars, 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: that didn't hurt, but my brothers did, if that makes sense, 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: because I loved it and I was like, I know, 52 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: it's I know, I love it and whatever. But then 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: in this context of like my brothers making fun of me, 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: that was kind of Oh. But this is especially pert 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: it to the conversation we're having today, which is about 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the Star Wars pret Coel yep. And I'll get more 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: into that in a second, but I did want to 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: give a quick shout out to Jamie. Hello, Jamie for 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: sending us amazing care kits. Yes, we really do appreciate 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: eating some of the po those were sabby things for 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: the bomb yeah, and also to Don who made these 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: amazing what I've never heard of it called yarn bombs, 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: which these just like really big. I voted and there's 64 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: a peach one that for voting in Georgia obviously, and 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: they're they're just so impressive, and I really am impressed 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: with the things that you listeners can do. Such talent 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: since did not work out so well, so such talent, Yes, 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: I guess knitting more southan crochet, but yes, either case. 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: So I also want to put in here before we 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: get into this. We do a lot of you listeners 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: have sent in suggestions for Feminists Movie Friday, and thank 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: you so much for sending those, and also the book 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: suggestions because it does help us decide because there's a 74 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: lot of books and movies out there, and we want 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: to do things that you like, and those are on 76 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: the list. I swear we're gonna get so I am sorry. 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: I guess that today we are starting off a three 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: part Feminist Movie Friday series on the Star Wars trilogies, 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: starting with the prequels and building up to May the 80 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: Fourth Be with You, Slash Star Wars Day and Revenge 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: of the Five. Can't forget Revenge of the Fifth. I 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: don't know that the timing will work out because I 83 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: think we might have miscalculated. I think we did because 84 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: originally we were going to end on the original trilogy 85 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: because it's my favorite. But now if we want that 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: one to be may the fourth be with you that 87 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: that will be the next one. We'll just have to decide, okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: Well I I have faith in us. I think we 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: can work us out. So these are gonna be a 90 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: bit different in that we're focusing more on the when 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: at the center of East trilogy and some overarching themes 92 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: as opposed to one movie. And this was Amanda's idea. 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: I swear, I don't know it. Will believe me, it's true. 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: It's true. We have been talking, and since I have 95 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: been taken over, the last few movies have been my suggestions. 96 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: I did make you watch The Mummy Returns because it 97 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: brought me joy. I thought that was a break. I 98 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: made you watch a musical, even though those can make 99 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, you know. So all of these things were 100 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: like my choices, and I was like, you know what, 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: we need to go back into the fandom that we 102 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: know you love. And right now I cannot escape. You 103 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: cannot escape. No one if you're a part of our world, 104 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: really can't escape. So let's just dig in. Let's just 105 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: get all the way in and I will say, um 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: as there is some some wight at the end of 107 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: this pandemic tunnel. And I have been reflecting on on 108 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: this year in my apartment. I Star Wars has really 109 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: got me through in a lot of ways, like and 110 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: You're not the only one. It has been my my comfort, 111 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: like the thing that I watched the like reading. I've 112 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: watched all the shows which I had before, and I 113 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: don't know that I ever would have And I feel 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: like much more qualified to talk about this now. I 115 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, I got this. I've been reading the 116 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: comics like it's really been. When I look back at Quarantine, 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I think one of the like memories I'm gonna have 118 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: is just Star Wars being a constant like stress reliever. 119 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it's going to be one 120 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: of those things when you watch it after the quarantine 121 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: is lifted and we're all kind of figuring out the 122 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: new normal every time we were watching it, You're going 123 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: to have that sentimental feeling of that comfort from this time. Yeah, 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I think so. I was wondering what that's going to 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: be like to watch these outside of this, but because 126 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: in case I haven't mentioned it before. I have watched 127 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: the original trilogy at least every Sunday since last March thirteenth, 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: so that's a lot. But I do other stuff while 129 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: they're on, but they're like my thing that I put on. 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: You say that you do other stuff, but there's definitely 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: those moments where you cannot be touched or talked to 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: because you're just like the audible gaps that happened to you. 133 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Even though I know this is your one million, two 134 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand, whatever time you've watched that, you still get 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: so caught up. There's like six scenes that I cannot 136 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: be disturbed and they still have an emotional impact, which 137 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: I find really really interesting. But yeah, I didn't want 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: to say it was really funny to me when you 139 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: were like, oh, this would be really easy for you 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: want to research it, And I was mentally like, oh, 141 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: I gotta read these books and I gotta do this, 142 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: and I gotta do this. Try. Yeah, you make the 143 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: mistake of telling me what you you're thinking about writing. 144 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you can't do that. Yeah. Yeah, So 145 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: I had to stop myself on this one, so it's 146 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: a bit shorter. I was very impressed. Yeah, yeah, well, 147 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to read those three books at the of 148 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: the trilogy about pad Me, who's who we're going to 149 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: be talking about today, but alas the time ran out, 150 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: so other Star Wars women are definitely going to be 151 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: featuring in our segment subsegment fictional women around the world, 152 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: So never fear or half fear. I don't know. I 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: think it will help for people who, you know, if 154 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: you want to know more about Asoka Tano but don't 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: necessarily want to watch all the shows and everything. I 156 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: think they'll be good primers. I always come to you 157 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: for those. Thank you, and I know you did like 158 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: a very massive two party on Princess Leah already. But 159 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna mix it up, so let's go ahead and 160 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: jump in. Yesterday, we're talking about the much maligned Star 161 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: Wars prequel trilogy, and I understand it. I'm like, what 162 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: is happening? Why is this happening? I think that's about 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: a lot the Phantom menas Attack of the Clones and 164 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Revenge of the Seth and their main female character, pat Mate, 165 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: the very queen Amidala played by Natalie Portman. She was 166 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen. We were looking to stop the other day. 167 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: This first start like big role because she done other stuff, 168 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: but like, well, like she was pretty big beforehand with 169 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: The Hitman or a Professional, The Professional, which was one 170 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. So bonus discussion of related comics, 171 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: television shows, and video games. Not surprisingly, Yes, I also 172 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: want to say that it's become a running joke with 173 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Samantha that she agrees with one of the worst lines 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: in all the movies. I don't like. It's not wrong, 175 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: Sandy is not greats it gets everywhere. He is so right, 176 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: and I will hold to that, all right. So here's 177 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the part of these three movies in a nutshell. So 178 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: we follow Anakin Skywalker's journey from young child to trouble 179 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: Jedi groomed by super Creeper Senator Palp Team Slash the 180 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: Emperor to Darth Vader. And I had this poster in 181 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: my wall when I was a kid, and it was 182 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: the young actor who plays Anakin Skywalker when he's like nine. 183 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: This shadow was Darth Vader, and I thought it was 184 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: the coolest thing. So yes, Darth Vader being Luke and 185 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: Leah's father. In the original trilogy, we see the destruction 186 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: of the Brotherhood between Anakin and his master and friend 187 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Obi Wan Kenobi, the intense love he has for Queen 188 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: and later Senator Padmey Amidala that impart leaves him to 189 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: fall to darkness and to evil. We see Padmey's death 190 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: and Luke and Leah's separations so that they can be 191 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,239 Speaker 1: hidden from the Emperor and Vader. There are tax disputes 192 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: and lava battles and so many lost limbs thoughts on 193 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: sand Yes, very awkward dialogue which George Lucas has now 194 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: said was on purpose, which I found very funny, very 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: problematic racist troops, and also a lot of quite sad 196 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: deaths and deaths of children. Yeah, and very weird water 197 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: scenes for those who, for whatever reason, weren't plugged into 198 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: the world of Star Wars. When this came out, much 199 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: like myself, there was so much hype. I do remember 200 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: people getting really, really, really excited, especially when they were 201 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: announcing the act j who would be portraying whomever, And 202 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: these movies were coming out sixteen years after the last 203 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: movie of the original trilogy. Really hard to do, which 204 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: was the Return of the Jedi or episode six, which 205 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: is very confusing and I have to ask constantly what 206 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: what Wait, huh when does this take place? Lots of timelines, 207 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: lots of timelines. The original trilogy had just been re 208 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: released in n which, by the way, it's happening again, right, No, 209 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, no, no, not that they were 210 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: re releasing it soon. I'm wrong. Well, there was an 211 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: odd thing that I never got to the bottom of 212 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: last Christmas where they were They were trailers on YouTube 213 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: videos that were acting as if the most recent movie, 214 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: Rise of Skywalker, was coming out in theaters again, and 215 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: it was very confused because it came out a year before. 216 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about the original grilogy. I know Empire 217 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: strikes back as one of the top grossing movies because 218 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: they were showing it old movies and drive ins and 219 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I do. I saw this when 220 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: I was at Delanica had a really small movie theater 221 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: called the Holly, and I went just to go see 222 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: the re releases at the Holly, and it definitely violated 223 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: fire Coat because people were just standing in there. It 224 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: was packed and it was the coolest thing. But those 225 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: are the versions. It's also commusing Samantha so much, and 226 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's the Disney plus version. And that's 227 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: this These are the ones that most people probably own, 228 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: the rereleases. That's when George Lucas put in kind of 229 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: this bad c G I in these older movies. That 230 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: was for telling of what was to happen in The 231 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: Phantom Menace. Yes, and I did watch all of those guys. 232 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: I watched all of them, so fans were pumped to 233 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: see how Hero ann because Skyle Walker became a Darth Vader, 234 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: and then they weren't good. Apparently I didn't enjoy them myself, 235 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: but I just assumed it's because I don't love Star 236 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: Wars like everyone else does, and maybe I'm just a 237 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: little more skeptical. I don't know. There were parts of 238 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: them that were good, and there really was no way 239 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: they could have lived up to the hype. But apparently 240 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: they just weren't very good. I mean that was the consensus. Yeah, 241 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: people were let down, and you know, the hype was very, 242 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: very intense, and I will say I was eleven I 243 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: think when the first installment The Phantom Menace came out, 244 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: and I loved it. I loved it. I saw it 245 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: several times with theaters. I had the toys, including one 246 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: of my favorite toys, of all time to this day, 247 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: which was this droid and you had a lightsaber with 248 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: this tracking mechanism and it would shoot out these disc 249 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: get you when you had to hit him with your lightsaber. Coolest, 250 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: it was the coolest. Hey. I also spent twenty dollars 251 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: trying to get an Anakin Skywalker toy from a claw machine. 252 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: And I'm sure I could have just bought the toy 253 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: like six dollars. Yeah, I had. I had the cars, 254 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: I had all of the cards, um the books, the shirts, 255 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: the posters. Oh, my friends and I was thinking about 256 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: this other day. We were in high school when Revenge 257 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: of the Sif came out, which was the last one, 258 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: and we all had shirts made and it and are 259 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: matching Revenge of the Fifth shirts to go see it. 260 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: And I am still friends with every one of those 261 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: people to this day. Oh. And then I won this 262 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: really really cool backpack that I gave away. I'm so 263 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: mad I gave it away, but it did become very 264 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: very uncool almost immediately. But I was shielded by my 265 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: child innocence to like the prequels, So I gave all 266 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff away and now I'm sad about it. 267 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: The soundtrack was the first CD I ever brought. And 268 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, despite being much maligned, people complaining and the 269 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: reviews not being great, these movies did make a lot 270 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: of money, and they were kids movies, and I think 271 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: that they succeeded in that way, not that they were 272 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: necessarily good, but I personally think there's a whole generation 273 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: of kids out there that grew up with the prequels 274 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: and didn't have that level of expectation or nostalgia for 275 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: the original trilogy, and they might even prefer the prequels. 276 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: And we've talked about how toxic fandom can be in 277 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: Star Wars, largely dude fans of Star Is can be really, 278 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: really intense and some of the worst in my opinion, 279 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to this. So the backlash was quite 280 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: furious and vitriolic, and I think we sometimes forget that, 281 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: as beloved as they are, the original trilogy are kids 282 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: movies too, So it's it's like kids who grew up 283 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: with the original trilogy, and one it became adults went 284 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: in to see these prequels, and I theorized forgot that 285 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: they're for kissing, like ideally adults would like them too. 286 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: But and yeah, they weren't good in a lot of ways, 287 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: but people were pissed pissed, uh And yeah, I got 288 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: made fun of a lot for liking them. Recently, the 289 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: prequels have been getting some love or at least not 290 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: outright hate as time has passed, right, So yeah, a 291 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of things are coming back up with the fact 292 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: that Obi wan Can Nobody's about to get his own 293 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: little show, right, and then we're gonna see uh Anakin 294 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: Skywalker again coming through. So apparently they're getting some kind 295 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: of love. Who knows. So pet Main, let's talk about 296 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: pet Main, a berry who is not only in the movies, 297 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: but apparently in the comics, which you've been telling me 298 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot about. Also the animated series The Clone Wars. 299 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: You also told me about that, and books like the 300 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: recent Queen's Hope by E. K. Johnston. Her name pet 301 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Main means lotus flower, while Amidala might mean beautiful flower, 302 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: and the boy means mother of twins. Little on the 303 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: roads there, and I did want to include this for 304 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: you specifically, Samantha, because you recently you didn't make fun 305 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: of me, but you kind of teased me about this 306 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: fan fiction I was reading about Luke owning a flower 307 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: shop and You're like, it doesn't make sense, And I 308 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: was like, well, what it doesn't add to make sense. 309 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: It's fan fiction, but flowers were key part of Well. 310 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I was just saying, wouldn't he be an actual like 311 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: teacher of sorts? How cool he did? He was both, Yeah, 312 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: So it just didn't seem possible to me. I think 313 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: you're just trying to pick on meanwhile, yet so pat 314 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: May is a human woman from the planet Naboo, where 315 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: she ruled as the democratically elected queen when she was fourteen. 316 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: She served as a member of the Glactic Senate during 317 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: the last year of the Republic. One of her most 318 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: defining traits is her political idealism and dedication to democracy. 319 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Pad May knew early on that she was interested in 320 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: helping people through politics. At the age of seven, she 321 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: participated in a failed relief effort that only strengthened her 322 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: determination to help people through public service. When we are 323 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: first introduced her in Phantom Menace, so she does appear 324 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: earlier than this, confusingly in the extended universe. Star Wars 325 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: is very very messy in that way, but the first 326 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: time most people were acquainted with her in Phantom Menace. 327 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: She is fourteen, and she spends much of the film 328 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: undercover in quotes as a handmaiden to the Queen Amadala. 329 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: And Amadala is pad May's name as queen. Queens of 330 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Nabu have a detail of trained lookalikes that serve as protectors, 331 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: among other things. And that's the movie I want to see. 332 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: But so, she's one of these lookalikes is pretending to 333 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: be Queen Amidala while the actual Queen Amidala pad May 334 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: is pretending to be a handmaiden. Makes perfect sense, got it? 335 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: And she she accompanies the jet ed quagon jin and 336 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Obi Wan Kenobi and meets her future secret husband, Anakin Skywalker, 337 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: who is a nine year old enslaved child on the 338 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: planet of Tattooing. At the time, pad May is confident 339 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: with the blaster and in her leadership, and she was 340 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: a much beloved political figure on her planet and an 341 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: inspiration for many. After serving two terms as queen, the 342 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: people tried to amend the constitution so she could serve again, 343 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: but she declined. However, thanks to her manipulative colleague, she 344 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: Palpatine the Emperor, the future Emperor, and her desperation to 345 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: save for people. She initiated the vote of no offidence 346 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: that made the way for Palpatine to rise to the 347 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: role of Supreme Chancellor. As a senator, pad May was 348 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: a pivotal figure in the separatist crisis, um, proving herself 349 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: to be a skilled negotiator and speaker, quick on her feet, 350 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: and competent in combat situations. She aligned herself with senators 351 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Organa and Mon Mathma, who influenced her politics and would 352 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: later go on to be leaders of the rebel Alliance, 353 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: and Belle would go on to raise her daughter Leia. 354 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: So again, like imagine as you were seeing these if 355 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: you knew the original childre you, well you were seeing like, oh, 356 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: it's that person, and it's that person. So I can 357 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: totally understand people are listening like, well, what are you 358 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: talking about? But Mon Mathma and Bail organ A kind 359 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: of these big figureheads of the rebellion, and even if 360 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: it's not happening at that time, you know kind of 361 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: what they're going to become. Pad May had her her 362 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: fair share of enemies, and an assassination attempt forces her 363 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: to go into hiding with none other than Jedi Anakin Skywalker, 364 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: who at this point, he's nineteen and she's twenty four, 365 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: so a little older. They fall in love, but the 366 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: Jedi code forbids possession and attachment. Oh, don't get me 367 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: started on the Jedi code after a colic in battle 368 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: and which pad Me resourcefully picks a lot. But then 369 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: that's one of the silliest tearing of costumes that results 370 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: in like this perfect crop top that I've ever seen. 371 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: She and Anakin secretly marry, a marriage that leader has 372 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: galactic repercussions because of her involvement in politics from a 373 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: young age. She doesn't get to live outside of that 374 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: structure that much, and she longs for freedom, something of 375 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: her own. You do see that in the comics in 376 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: the books, um, and that's one of the reasons for 377 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: the secret marriages. She wanted something of her own. Also, 378 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: she was quite young man in love, yeah, very young, 379 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: due to their responsibilities during the Clone Wars. Then I've 380 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: been just told that it is not the movie or 381 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: the anime series, but a time period. It's what happened. 382 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: It is all of us. So I'm trying to get 383 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: myself bearings. Anakin and pad May did not get much 384 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: time together, as we saw, and we see the flaws 385 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: in their relationships, lots of secrets, and the strain again 386 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: of keeping a secret. I feel like that's just a 387 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: cautionary tale for all the movies. Pad May's first priorities 388 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: are her ideals and democracy. This changes when she finds 389 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: out she is pregnant, something that will make hiding her 390 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: relationship with Anakin even more difficult. Surprise, surprise, she does 391 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: wear the really big gal She does. However, both are 392 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: thrilled at the news babies. Soon after the revelation, Anakin 393 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: begins having visions of pad May and their child's death, 394 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: something he is desperate to prevent. He learns that Palpatine 395 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: is a sixth Lord, and he promises that by using 396 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: the Dark Side he'll be able to save his wife 397 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: and their baby. Lies. He succumbs to the dark Side 398 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: and ignores Padma's pleas for him to come back, strangling 399 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: her into unconsciousness. At a secret medical center and weird 400 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: medical center, she gives birth to Luke and Leiah, surprise twins. 401 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: She dies of heartbreak, which I still find hard to believe, 402 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: or perhaps more likely Palpatine killed her, proclaiming with her 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: dying breath that she knows they're still good. And Anakin, 404 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: who by now has assumed his identity as Darth Vader, 405 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: we get to see that whole big scene believing his 406 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: wife and child to be dead at his hands, which 407 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: is still I'm still trying to figure that one out. 408 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: The Republic she fought so hard for is destroyed and 409 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: replaced by the Empire, with her husband functioning as its enforcer. 410 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: In the wake over death, pat May becomes a symbol 411 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: of democracy and later the rebellion itself. Her children went 412 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: on to play a major role in dismantling the Empire 413 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: as we know and restoring democracy and in the end 414 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: the redemption of Anakin Skywalker. My gosh, this is one 415 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: of those things sometimes when I and I know I've 416 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: talked to you about this before with like The Last 417 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: of Us, Samantha, Sometimes when you just write out a 418 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: plot and you take away all the like clunky dialogue 419 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and just get to the bare bones what the story is. 420 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Not the case the Lastments, but in this it's so sad. 421 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: That's a sad tale. And we're gonna we're gonna get 422 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: into some of these these sad elements and feminist elements, 423 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna pause for a quick break for 424 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsoring. 425 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: Since it is a big part of this, I didn't 426 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: want to ask, do you think you could do a 427 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: secret marriage? Samantha um funny story. I have a friend 428 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: who got married and never told her parents. It's not 429 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: necessarily a secret to anybody else who is close to them, 430 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: but her parents still think she's not married, and she's 431 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: been able to pull it off. And I'm still baffled 432 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: by this personally. I don't know if because I just 433 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: don't care about marriage for me personally, so I don't 434 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: know if I would care enough to try secret marriage. 435 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: That just seems like extract right. And I say this 436 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: in today's society where it's okay just to be together 437 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: and just to be in a partnership, and I enjoy that. 438 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, why would I go to the 439 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: trouble of having a marriage if I'm keeping it a secret, 440 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: if I don't care to be married? So so I 441 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: don't know, would you? Uh? I mean, I said, really, 442 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: I don't really want to get here, But if I 443 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: was in a situation where I did, I can see 444 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: how the strains of it, and especially not being able 445 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: to communicate those like strains with other people are in 446 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: front of other people wouldn't make it very difficult and 447 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: resentment could build or just like not because you're not 448 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: communicating honestly with other people. So I can see how 449 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: that would really mess up your communication in that relationship, 450 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't ever quite be sure. I mean, obviously, 451 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: if you had a healthy relationship, you would be secure 452 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: and like, Okay, this is fine. But I think the 453 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: very fact of keeping it a secret feels like it's 454 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: not fine in some way. Right. I think my friend 455 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: who isn't in this is a completely different tone. It's 456 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily she's trying to keep it a secret. It's 457 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: just she's just not telling everyone it doesn't care to 458 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: in the story, right, Yeah, And this is obviously like 459 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: a intergalactic space war situation where they're both in they 460 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: have responsibilities to a larger into that puts a lot 461 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: of pressure on them. I mean, I guess this could 462 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: be a tale of like, yes, they're in love, but 463 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: also with their young teenagers are being told they can't 464 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: be in love, so double like yeah, yeah, that's true. 465 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of trauma behind a lot of 466 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: their decisions before. We've talked about in a in a minute, 467 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to put in here because there's 468 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: this recent TikTok story. Like a TikTok user used math 469 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: to suggest that pad Me is the strongest character in 470 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: Star Wars based on the scene and attack of the Clones. 471 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: When pad May jumps from the top of this really 472 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: tall pole onto a reek, which is kind of like 473 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: a big rhino thing and doesn't even flinch. The user 474 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Um Shelley calculated how much force that would put on 475 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: the body and then argued from there that it makes 476 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: her the strongest character. And you and I discussed that 477 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: in our most viewing because I was like, al, because 478 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: we watched this for this upcoming and I was like, al, 479 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: how does that not hurt a b Also, she is 480 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: one of the only ones who can actually hit people 481 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: with her guns. Yeah, I'm like, okay, what is wrong 482 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: with everybody else? Why are these laser guns so bad? 483 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: You've heard my theories, but that's a different time, and 484 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: she is. She's bad as in a lot of ways. 485 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: She's intelligent, compassionate, curious, determined, she's capable, she's brave, she's 486 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: a good leader, she champions things like the anti slavery campaign. 487 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: But yes, in a lot of ways, the movies especially 488 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: did her wrong. And one of the big ways, in 489 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: my opinion, is blaming women. Because there's this narrative of 490 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: her being the cause of Anakin's fall to the dark side, 491 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: and some of that comes from outside interpretations. So a 492 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: lot of write ups blame pad Me, sometimes not explicitly, 493 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: but the language is pretty pretty implicit for the fall 494 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: of the Republican rise of the Empire because of her 495 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: secret marriage to Anakin that pushed him to fall. But 496 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: I think it takes two to tango friends, and she's 497 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: not responsible for his actions in the ends. Um, they 498 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: were both young and in love and they made mistakes, 499 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: but it is not solely on her that he became dark. Right, 500 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: she was young, and I keep talking about that as 501 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 1: well when she was elected, and I'm still trying to 502 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: wrap my mind around that. When she admits she believed 503 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: she might not have been ready, we do you see 504 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: that and through her evolution when we see her mature, 505 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: holding on to her idealism but learning when to compromise. 506 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: Although she did compromise and things that maybe she shouldn't have, 507 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: still she was young when she died. Uh, and plenty 508 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: of older male folks in the film deserves some of 509 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: the blame for what happened. Again, her death just seems 510 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: silly to me in this movie. I know it had 511 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: to happen for like the development of the plot, but like, really, 512 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: this is how you're gonna kill her all, okay? And 513 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: they were all fooled and manipulated by the Emperor. However, 514 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: many paid her as a simple love interest that ruined 515 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: everything women. How So it's another example of something we 516 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: see and discuss a lot in our entertainment, a woman's 517 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: death jump starting a male character story, in this case 518 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Darth Vaders. Yeah, even Annakin believes she has betrayed him 519 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: for Obi Wan Kenobi, which leaves him to reattack her. 520 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: She begs him to come back to raise their child together, 521 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: which is exactly why he joined the Dark Side in 522 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: the first place to protect them, but he refuses, arguing uh, 523 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: instead they could overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy together, 524 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that that's what she dedicated her whole 525 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: life to finding against dictatorship. He's so overcome with the 526 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: fear of losing her, of being powerless that he loses 527 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: her and serves a new master as slaved to the 528 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: dark side. That's something else that eroded the trust between 529 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: pad May and Anakin his closeness to Palpatine, especially given 530 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: how dedicated she was the Republic in preventing that slow 531 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: creep of emergency powers and militarism. There are even scenes 532 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: where she comes in and he chooses to stand by 533 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Palpatine and not her when they're like arguing. So some 534 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: people have said that this kind of complex, convoluted thing 535 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: is why these movies aren't as satisfying, because they aren't 536 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: the simple good versus bad star wars miss stories were 537 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: used to. Like, don't get me wrong, the original Chilgy 538 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: has a lot of complex layers to it, but in 539 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: the end, it's kind of like these are the bad guys, 540 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: he are the good guys, Like you know the lines, 541 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: and these are blurrier. The characters don't know who exactly 542 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: they're fighting. We do as the audience. That makes it 543 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: really frustrating, but they don't the good guys, and these 544 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: make catastrophic mistakes that lead to tragedy and darkness, which 545 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: watching these in the Air of Trump hit differently. I 546 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: gotta say, yeah, I definitely definitely heard that, like the 547 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: Stormtrooper march a lot. Yeah, um, so apparently Annie, you 548 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: told me this and I'm gonna go Hendra lay it. 549 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: There was a whole scrapped plot line that pad May 550 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: actually was more forced sensitive than Anakin during her pregnancy 551 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: with Luke and Leia. Interesting our other strapped endings had 552 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: pad May leaving Anakin to start the rebellion um Appairly, 553 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: there's a deleted scene where she joins up with Belle 554 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Organa and mon Mathma to create the Alliance to restore 555 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: the public. But how did that go with the fight 556 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: that Leia supposed to be adopted by. I think she 557 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: was still going to die, but she had this scene 558 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: of like, I'm going to set this up, so she 559 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: started it and then okay, or even trying to kill 560 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: him when he realizes what he's become, which I feel 561 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: like the big clue was when he killed that entire 562 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: population of people of creatures, including the children and the women, 563 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: and he mets it and was okay with it, Like 564 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: he cried, but he's like it felt good. Yeah, like 565 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: in in Vengeance of his mother. I was like that 566 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: seems like that as a huge sign. There's many red 567 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: flags with him and wal pat May does get to 568 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: do her fair share of Aska king. She certainly does 569 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: more as kicking then I'm used to seeing from queens 570 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: and sinners, especially as a kid when I was watching these. 571 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: She does end up meeting quite a bit of rescuing too, 572 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: and or you see her in a fair amount of distress. 573 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: So in that crop top incident in the second movie, 574 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: which I wanted to include the description from Star Wars 575 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: Wickey fandom of that quote, tore the waistband and up 576 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: her clothing, and Amidala screamed and sobbed in pain as 577 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: tears trickled down her cheek. I don't remember the sobbing 578 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: and pain she took crying, but anyway, Anakin is the 579 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: one that ultimately comes to her rescue. She falls out 580 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: of their transport and falls unconscious soon after that. There 581 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: are plenty of instances of her being captured or poisoned 582 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: or what HAPs you in the show, though to be fair, 583 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: she does find a way out herself fairly regularly. There's 584 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: also a really weird, kind of creepy plotline with an 585 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: ex of hers and a really jealous Anakin. That feels like, 586 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: because most of that show does feel, oh, this is 587 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: very much for children. In that episode, I was like, whoa, 588 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: this is pretty dark and weird. And she spends a 589 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: good portion of the third movie crying and an emotional 590 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: distress that ultimately kills her. We're gonna get into some 591 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: some people have a different interpretation of that in a minute. 592 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: But and you know, it was very devastating. A lot 593 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: of very bad things were happening, but still she did 594 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: spend most of the movie kind of just crying. So 595 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: speaking of heartbreak and her death, this is probably one 596 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: of the most calling things about her storyline, that she 597 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: dies of heartbreak after giving birth to her children. With 598 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: everything we know about her, it seems like she would 599 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: fight like hell to protect them. And there is a 600 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: part of me that gets the romantic in heavy quotes 601 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: aspect of it that she was so in love with Anakin, 602 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: and that knowing what he did and what he'd become 603 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: and how he destroyed in part what she'd worked so 604 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: hard to better and to preserve that it killed her. 605 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: But it just feels like such a cop out. And 606 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: every time I watch these movies, if you take away 607 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: the silliness. Yeah, and the awkward dialogue and clunky extraneous storylines. 608 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm really taken aback by how sad they are. But 609 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: she was strong, like I feel like she would have 610 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: she would have fought. But all that being said, some 611 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: have pointed out that it's never confirmed in Cannon, it's 612 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: never officially been confirmed that she died of heartbreak, and 613 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: in fact, it's heavily implied the Emperor killed her from 614 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: a fog with his doc magic powers, because how did 615 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: he know she was dead when he told Darth Vader. 616 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: That's like one of the big things. The medbot treating 617 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: her says she has lost the will to live, which 618 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: could be heartbreak or I guess dark force powers that 619 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: a robot doesn't know about. Fair And again, we are 620 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: focusing on pad May today, but because we do talk 621 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: a lot about trauma and grooming on the show. That 622 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: plays a huge part in the fall of Anakin Skywalker. 623 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: After growing up enslaved, he had to leave his mother 624 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: behind enslavement, and when he finally returns, she dies in 625 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: his arms and he's terrified going through that pain again. 626 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: With pad May, you've got the Emperor grooming him and 627 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: offering him a solution and whis bringing his ears constantly. Yeah, 628 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: Samatha knows, I'll just be like she's so creeper randomly 629 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: she does. And here I wanted to include an email 630 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: we got a while back from a listener named Kale 631 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: Hi Kale Kale wrote about what we're talking me about 632 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: right here. Quote. This email is mainly for Annie because 633 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: it's about Star Wars, but Samantha is for you to 634 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: read as well. I was listening to movie Crush and 635 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: heard you talk about how you've been watching the Clone 636 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: Wars animated series and your mixed feelings about Anakin since 637 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: the show humanized him so much. And I am so 638 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: happy to hear that. I did not watch Star Wars 639 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: as a kid. In my first real exposure to the 640 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: series was when my partner showed me the Clone Wars series. 641 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: I mostly watched animation. It got me into Star Wars, 642 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: and after watching the series I went back and watched 643 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: all of the movies and rebels as well. Watching the 644 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: Clone Wars really humanized Anakin in a way that hit 645 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: me hard. Watching him be groomed by Palpatine, being forced 646 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: to hide relationship with Padme, and having no one to 647 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: really go to about his emotions and nightmares truly made 648 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: him an island. A person in such pure isolation is 649 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: so easily manipulated, and so watching him fall prey to 650 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: Palpatine and the prequels was so difficult for me to see. 651 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: I have a lot of deep rooted emotions about the show, 652 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: Anakin and Anakin's relationships with various characters. I would not 653 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: say that I forgive him of his evils, but that 654 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: watching the Clone Wars and how it makes Anakin relatable 655 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: gave me insight to him as a person and truly 656 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: made me feel so much for him. I have written 657 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: a pseudo essay ramble about how I feel about the 658 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: Jedi Order, It's shortcomings when it comes to humanity, sentience, emotions, relationships, 659 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: and how the rigidity of the Orders ultimately what led 660 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: Anakin to choosing the dark side and becoming Vader. If 661 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: you're interested, I would love to share it with you. 662 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: I know that not a lot of people read into 663 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: and analyze individual characters and movies and folks as much 664 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: as you do, and I feel a real kindred this 665 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: to you and how you really see each character when 666 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: talking about them on smint You. Yes, I love this 667 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: so much. I would love to read your essay. That 668 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: is right up my alley and something I would do. 669 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: I have I thought so in depth about these characters, 670 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: and yes, definitely Anakin and Darth Vader, and the psychology 671 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: of Darth Vader is something that I will bring up 672 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: at any turn, But that is another aspect to this 673 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: as well as this show really exploring that isolation and 674 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: um the grooming and the kind of tragedy that it 675 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: leads to. On top of that, pad May's death haunted 676 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: him for the rest of his life. Haunted Anakin Darth 677 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: Vader for the rest of his life. Saying her name 678 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: in front of him very likely he could get you killed. 679 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: He never ever emotionally recovered from it, and that turned 680 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: into indiscriminate violence and rage. At one point he encounters 681 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: a ghostly massage of pad May, and when he begs 682 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: her to come back to him, she kills herself instead, 683 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: and that is messed up. At another point, he attempted 684 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: to resurrect her with an ancient artifact and failed. Here's 685 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: the quote from Johnston, author of those pad Made Trilogy 686 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: books we mentioned earlier. I had to include this. Anakin 687 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: Skywalker is a bit of a downer for me in 688 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: terms of writing, because everything he touches ends badly. Quigan dies, 689 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: his mom dies, pad May dies, the galaxy falls apart. 690 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: It does not go well for people involved in Anakin 691 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: Skywalker's story when he's the main character. True. A note 692 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: about the handmaidens. Those um Amidala lookalikes are the look 693 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: like for the queens of Nabu. They are badass, and 694 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: they're kind of creepy. They take on code names they 695 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: undergo training to mimic their queens that people can't detect 696 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: when one of them stands in for her, which is 697 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: helped by all of Naboo's traditional makeup and clothing for queens. 698 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: There's one storyline in the book, The Queen's Peril where 699 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: Padmey's primary stand in and closest handmade and Sabe takes 700 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: her place when pain from her period sidelines pad May. 701 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: After Padmey's death, Sabe is one of the leaders of 702 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: a group dedicated to getting justice for pad May and 703 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: finding her killer. Also, both Kira Knightley and Rose Byrne 704 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: played handmaidens in the movies. I looked this up in 705 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: Kia Knightley was in that movie before she was invented, 706 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: like Beckham Harger movies, and along those lines of friendship 707 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: among women in the show, we do see the friendship 708 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: between Ahsoka, tano, Acas, Padawan and pad May, and we 709 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: see them defend and protect each other, which is nice. 710 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: It is nice. It is so we did want to 711 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: talk a bit about the legacy and symbolism of pad May, 712 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna pause you one more quick break 713 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: for words from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. 714 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: So pad May's death and legacy are felt throughout the series, 715 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: almost representative of the death of the Republic. She died 716 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: alongside the republic she fought so hard for, and the 717 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: birth of the Empire. Her children would later be so 718 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: instrumental in the Empire's destruction, and they were born on 719 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: our a few days after Empire Day, which is the 720 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: day the Empire was born. Padmey does have one of 721 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: my favorite lines in the prequel trilogy. This is how 722 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: Liberty dies to thunderous applause, and she does become a 723 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: symbol of the rebellion and revenge of the Sith. One 724 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: of her hairstyles later is adopted as the rebel symbol. 725 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: So we also see Padmey's legacy live on in a 726 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: Leia in the costuming and Hair. After the Empire's fall, 727 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: Layup researches until she discovers who her mother was and 728 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: is able to get her gowns shipped to her from 729 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: Naboo Nice. However, they're later stolen by an officer of 730 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: the First Order a k a. The New Empire. Leia's 731 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: bid to be the first Senator of the New Republic 732 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: following in pad Makes Footsteps is derilled by her father's 733 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: identity as Darth Vader is revealed. Leia too is strong 734 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: willed and determined and dedicated to public service, inspiring people 735 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: to her cause. Yeah, and I will see It's almost 736 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: a running joke, can go card every time I mentioned 737 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: fan fiction. In a lot of ways, fan fiction did 738 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: kind of redeem a lot of the elements of these 739 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: stories for me, because people would write amazing, amazing works 740 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: based on pad mayor pad May's influence in Luke and 741 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Laya's life. And you know, when you're watching the original trilogy, 742 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: I think Luke didn't even know the name of his mother, 743 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: and he's never really asking about her because he was 744 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: told to ask. But it was always like the father 745 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: who was interesting him, and she was sort of this 746 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: blank space throughout where it was like not even a 747 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: question or even addressed. And it does feel now that 748 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: you know the whole story, that she's hanging there kind 749 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: of a sad ghost over the whole thing of like forgotten, 750 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: and it was her. It's her that they're emulating and 751 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: they don't even know it, like Luke and Lana, and 752 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: it was her love of this republic that felt that 753 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: they're trying to restore. I don't know, looks wise, all 754 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: the main female characters in these trilogies are petite, white, 755 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: dark hair, dark eyed women, and they are meant to 756 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: resemble each other. But yeah, it's interesting too that you 757 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: see this progression through these characters of trying to be 758 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: more feminist and sometimes succeeding in sometimes failing spectacularly. But 759 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: if you look at the change of titles from Princess 760 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: Leah to Queen Senator Amadala in these prequels too, in 761 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: the sequel trilogy to General Organa, like, I think that 762 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: was one of those things where they were trying to 763 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: move the move up and you know, sometimes succeeded and 764 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: sometimes didn't Yeah. We see her legacy in Luke, to 765 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: who is compassionate, stubborn, idealistic, kind and sees the good 766 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: in others to a fault, Annie Cinnamon. Luke proves Amadela's 767 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: last words to be corrected. There were still good in 768 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: Vader like I later goes through something similar with her 769 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: son Ben. That was a weird movie. Luke was always hopeful, 770 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: and so was pad May right until her death. That 771 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: hope lived on into her children, a new hope. If 772 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: you will, I will. There's one reason her story is 773 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: so painful as an audience. We know what happens to her, 774 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: but it's always hopeful. Yeah, She's always hopeful throughout and 775 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: you just know so terribly breaking my heart and you're 776 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 1: going down the past. I can't follow. That is a 777 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: line that's been decreat for me because of fan fiction 778 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: people have made that. It's a good line for me. 779 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: Here's another quote from Johnston. That's how I got through 780 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: writing the depressing tragedy that is looming at the end 781 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: of this book because I know that hope Injurers, that 782 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: good Injurs, and pad May believed it even right up 783 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: to the end. Yeah, so I you know clearly I'm 784 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: a big fan, and you can't maybe trust my my suggestions, 785 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: but I will say there is a lot of like 786 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: these books I've heard wonderful things about the comics are good, 787 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: um shows like if you're interested, there's material out there 788 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: that did give her more of a backstory and something 789 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: more like just strong and complex and really flushed her 790 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: out as a character. I guess it does exist. But 791 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for letting me have this. 792 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: I feel little Tario and I'm getting a little emotional. 793 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: You're hugging yourself a lot in that like cute child like, 794 00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm seeing that. Yes, yes, the move me 795 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: every time I tell you. So. Thank you for letting 796 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: me go on this journey, giving me the space. And yes, 797 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: we do want to hear your suggestions. I swear we 798 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: have a list, we keep them and we're going to 799 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: get to them. You can email us at Stuff Media, 800 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: Mole Stuff at i heeart media dot com. 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