Speaker 1: Personally with Ryngame Fieldsman.
Speaker 2: It's career Week on the podcast with two of my friends. First,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing on Page, who has worked at Robert Half,
Speaker 2: a management consulting company, for over a decade, and has
Speaker 2: a wealth of knowledge at the many different levels she's
Speaker 2: worked for them, from hiring to management.
Speaker 1: She's going to share with us what to do.
Speaker 2: And not to do to get a job, knowing when
Speaker 2: to look for a new job, and advice on how
Speaker 2: to get that very wanted promotion. Then I'm bringing on
Speaker 2: my friend Stacy, who went from getting two degrees to
Speaker 2: completely changing careers to photography in her late twenties. She's
Speaker 2: showing us that it's never too late to change things
Speaker 2: up and chase your dreams. This is all the talk
Speaker 2: on social media right now. Is everybody talking about looking for.
Speaker 1: Jobs, applying to jobs, not finding jobs. It is the
Speaker 1: hottest topic I.
Speaker 2: Think I've seen in the last few weeks. And that's
Speaker 2: why I'm bringing on one of my really good friends, Page,
Speaker 2: who is an expert in this field. When I say expert,
Speaker 2: the expert of all experts, Page, how are.
Speaker 3: You, I'm so good, I'm so good. I'm so excited
Speaker 3: to be here. And you're right, I am a little
Speaker 3: bit of a subject matter expert in the career job
Speaker 3: hunting space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so give it to the people because I know
Speaker 2: all about what you do. But tell us your job,
Speaker 2: how you got there, and kind of how you're the
Speaker 2: expert in this particular topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I work for the one of the world's first
Speaker 3: and largest specialized staffing firm, Robert Haff. So we're a
Speaker 3: global company and we work in staffing, but we specialize
Speaker 3: in particular areas of expertise. I actually specialize in marketing
Speaker 3: and creative, but we have teams that specialize in technology, legal, administrative,
Speaker 3: and finance. That's what we do. We staff on a
Speaker 3: contract at full time. We also have a consulting arm
Speaker 3: protivity and we also do retained search and we have
Speaker 3: a lot of different things that we do, but we
Speaker 3: specialize in a particular niche and that's what we staff in.
Speaker 1: Okay, So basically, Paige, you just said a whole lot
Speaker 1: of words and my brain just exploded.
Speaker 2: But all that to say, Page knows what she's talking about,
Speaker 2: and that's why I'm bringing her on.
Speaker 3: Because she does.
Speaker 2: You hire people, You've been through the very many stages
Speaker 2: of hiring, and now you're at the very top.
Speaker 1: You're one of the boss people because you've worked your
Speaker 1: way in the top, so you can see it on
Speaker 1: multiple levels.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have, yes, Yes, been with the organization for
Speaker 3: ten years. But I'm so passionate about what I do
Speaker 3: because I love it. We truly change people's lives. You know,
Speaker 3: we're working with people's livelihood and that's not missed on.
Speaker 3: So I feel really lucky with what I do because
Speaker 3: not only is it a great career, but I'm also
Speaker 3: helping people, which is so great and so rewarding at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 1: What is I want to start with kind of like
Speaker 1: a funny thing. What is like the.
Speaker 2: Most ridiculous thing that you often see in these interviews
Speaker 2: or like on resumes and you're like, guys, please stop
Speaker 2: doing this.
Speaker 3: Girl, Well, legit, I've had someone show up to an
Speaker 3: interview looking like Jack Sparrow, I mean, full blown eyeliner beads.
Speaker 3: I mean. I don't recommend nothing against pirates. I'm sure
Speaker 3: they're lovely people, but maybe you know business maybe frowned
Speaker 3: on thievery, so maybe not the Jack Sparrow look. But
Speaker 3: you know, something we've talked about in the past is
Speaker 3: avoiding putting your headshot on your resume. This doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense for everybody. If you're an entertainment what you do
Speaker 3: broadcast or an actor a model makes sense. But when
Speaker 3: it comes to like a corporate job or professional job,
Speaker 3: avoid it. You already get judged so hard based off
Speaker 3: of your experience and your skill set. Don't need it
Speaker 3: to be on the way you look, so avoid putting
Speaker 3: your headshot. It's also just awkward. Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it definitely made sense for my field that
Speaker 2: I was in, but it was strange for me even
Speaker 2: putting it on there. I was like, do we really
Speaker 2: need to put my headshot on there? And they're like yes, unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the thing for your particular job.
Speaker 3: Like your industry makes sense. Yeah, for what we do
Speaker 3: or what I do and what I staff, probably not. Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, what is something that you see on resumes or
Speaker 2: seeing an interview?
Speaker 1: Like, yes, more of this?
Speaker 3: Ah? Yeah, so resumes. Tailoring your resume to the particular job.
Speaker 3: It takes time, but having one resume and mass applying
Speaker 3: does not work. So just like you would use keywords
Speaker 3: to find a particular search on Google, you want to
Speaker 3: do the same thing with your resume, tailoring it to
Speaker 3: a job posting and even the company. Take it even further. Say,
Speaker 3: if you are a web content coordinator and you're applying
Speaker 3: for a web content coordinator job and you see that
Speaker 3: that company site is built in word Press, you may
Speaker 3: want to put WordPress all over your resume, so even
Speaker 3: if it's not in the job description.
Speaker 1: So a little research goes a long way.
Speaker 3: Huge, huge, But yeah, I would absolutely do that. And
Speaker 3: always you're never going to go wrong with business casual.
Speaker 3: It's not that you always have to have a three
Speaker 3: piece suit on, but putting your best foot forward always
Speaker 3: makes a good impression, regardless of the company.
Speaker 1: Okay, now those are like our fun kind of easy questions.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting into the hard hitting and stuff. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think is happening right now?
Speaker 2: Because you see online there's all kinds of people who
Speaker 2: are like, I cannot find jobs, nobody is hiring. What
Speaker 2: is your kind of take on this step? What's going
Speaker 2: on in the job market right now that you're seeing.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting because there's eight point one million jobs
Speaker 3: on the market right now and the unemployment rates not bad.
Speaker 3: It's around four point one four percent. It hasn't changed
Speaker 3: much in the past year, so we haven't seen huge inflections.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting because there's actually more of a demand
Speaker 3: in the current market in the US than there is supply,
Speaker 3: which is interesting. Let me digress. So I want to
Speaker 3: start back from the pandemic because I feel like everything
Speaker 3: still stems.
Speaker 2: From the pandemic naturally, because that was such a weird
Speaker 2: time in our life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you had all of these layoffs, and then
Speaker 3: you move forward. PPP loans were granted, and so people
Speaker 3: started to hire again, and everyone started to leave their
Speaker 3: jobs to get better ones. It was called the Great Resignation.
Speaker 3: People were offered these insane salaries. I'm talking like hundreds
Speaker 3: of thousands more than they've made before. So of course,
Speaker 3: no brainer, let's leave. And so now when these loans
Speaker 3: have dried up, people realized, oh, I've got to pay
Speaker 3: those back. Now we have layoffs happening. The tech industry
Speaker 3: was hit really hard in that space, and then you're
Speaker 3: coupled with some unsettling things in the market. You add
Speaker 3: an election you're on top of that. Businesses aren't for
Speaker 3: sure what legislation is going to impact their business, so
Speaker 3: they hold their coins tight. To their chest. So it's
Speaker 3: an interesting market. There are jobs out there. But the
Speaker 3: reason why it's hard is that there's been a lot
Speaker 3: of things that have happened over the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: and I think people don't realize that all of the
Speaker 3: time is there was so much change so fast. So
Speaker 3: one of the things I always say is, if someone's
Speaker 3: offering you an insane salary and it's too good to
Speaker 3: be true, believe them. Take a look at organizations and
Speaker 3: how they responded to the pandemic. If they were doing
Speaker 3: a ton of layoffs, how did they respond to that.
Speaker 3: Layoffs can be make business sense necessarily always a bad thing,
Speaker 3: but how do they recoup from that? What does that
Speaker 3: look like? What's their sustainability look like as an organization?
Speaker 3: How long have they been in the game. All of
Speaker 3: these things are really important when you're looking for a job.
Speaker 3: I think I covered all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's just crazy because when you look at
Speaker 2: your say take an average person and I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: in front of my computer, I'm like, let me put
Speaker 2: together resume, okay, send this off, send this off, and
Speaker 2: then when you're getting nothing in return, I understand that
Speaker 2: that's frustrating.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, but having.
Speaker 2: The context of oh, this is why this is happening,
Speaker 2: and it's not you taking away that focus of say,
Speaker 2: you are doing all the things right that page mentioned,
Speaker 2: especially at the beginning, you're dressing right, you're looking the part,
Speaker 2: you're doing the research, you're actively applying, and.
Speaker 1: You're still not getting that, and then you hear this.
Speaker 1: It at least gives some context to what's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not all bad, but I will say,
Speaker 3: and I think it's really important if we're gonna have
Speaker 3: common stations about finding a job, and you know, I
Speaker 3: can give you tips all day long, but I think
Speaker 3: it's a really vulnerable space to be in. If you
Speaker 3: find yourself in a layoff. You know, your career is
Speaker 3: how you feed your family, at your livelihood, protecting your
Speaker 3: mental health throughout that process, and that could be any process.
Speaker 3: It could mean like you were unexpectedly laid off, or
Speaker 3: you're looking for another job because you're in a toxic
Speaker 3: environment and you're desperate to get out. All of those
Speaker 3: things can take a toll on your mental health. And
Speaker 3: so I think if you are in this process, having
Speaker 3: a support system is so critical. There's so many online
Speaker 3: support systems, free resources that you can have, talk to
Speaker 3: your friends. This is a journey. You don't have to
Speaker 3: go in alone, and it's hard. It's a vulnerable space
Speaker 3: to be in. One of my best friends recently just
Speaker 3: went through this, wasn't expecting it. They just bought a house.
Speaker 3: What happens.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, when all of the it's the when
Speaker 2: it rains at poorest type situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So but you're never alone, and there's tools and things.
Speaker 3: Contacting Robert have is a great resource. Shout out do it.
Speaker 3: But I think it's important to like first make that
Speaker 3: very clear that this is tough. It's not it's a
Speaker 3: full time job to get a job, which is why
Speaker 3: I'm in business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about the vulnerability of it, and you're
Speaker 2: on the other side of it, what's that like for you?
Speaker 2: Because you know that these people are coming in they
Speaker 2: are in a vulnerable position.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, anybody who's looking for.
Speaker 2: A job is in a vulnerable position because they don't
Speaker 2: have the security that they need to survive.
Speaker 1: Essentially, Yeah, and you're sitting there and.
Speaker 2: You have to have these hard conversations with them, like
Speaker 2: on the other side, give me that perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be tough because you could have some
Speaker 3: money that has thirty years of experience and they've accomplished
Speaker 3: so much, but they never maintained and modernized their skill set,
Speaker 3: their certifications, all of these things. So you have to
Speaker 3: really come in and sometimes break some egos and it's
Speaker 3: not fun to do and it's really hard to have
Speaker 3: those conversations. On the other hand, sometimes I just like
Speaker 3: get to hype people up and to help people realize
Speaker 3: that they are so amazing at what they do and
Speaker 3: that doesn't come across I have to bring that out
Speaker 3: of them, like we have to build their confidence back
Speaker 3: up because they felt like, oh, I was laid off
Speaker 3: because I wasn't good enough, And so I think that
Speaker 3: there's a lot of balance to that. You kind of
Speaker 3: have to be a chameleon when you're working with so
Speaker 3: many different people and so many different personalities. But I
Speaker 3: think when you come in, especially if you're working with
Speaker 3: a staffing firm or a recruiter, coming in with an
Speaker 3: open mind is so critical, and that's throughout the entire
Speaker 3: hiring process, whether you're working with a recruiter or not
Speaker 3: keeping an open mind because and not putting all of
Speaker 3: your eggs in one basket because I can't tell you
Speaker 3: how many times how many times I have heard from
Speaker 3: Canada that like, yeah, I've got a job. Oh it's coming,
Speaker 3: and then the budget falls through. It happens all of
Speaker 3: the time. So it's important to keep that pipeline up.
Speaker 3: But it's also important to cap a level head, not
Speaker 3: get too excited, but not get too defeated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta say right kind of on that middle ground,
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's easier said than done. We're human, right, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially again you're back to this vulnerable position and
Speaker 2: kind of feels like everything's on the line on this
Speaker 2: kind of other side, not on the layoff side of things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you feel in the space of people who.
Speaker 1: Really want to kind of keep working.
Speaker 2: Up a ladder, maybe not in their corporation, but bounce
Speaker 2: around a bunch, Like do you have.
Speaker 1: A perfect timeline?
Speaker 2: I guess if you will, where it's like you should
Speaker 2: at least stay at a job.
Speaker 1: For this amount of time and then start. Is there
Speaker 1: any version of that or is it just kind of
Speaker 1: open ended?
Speaker 3: You know, it's tough because I've been with my organization
Speaker 3: for ten years.
Speaker 2: I've also been working for the radio for almost ten
Speaker 2: years now with iHeartRadio, So I'm on that same side
Speaker 2: as you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is absolute power with leaving an organization and
Speaker 3: taking learning and experience as a gift. Learning from other
Speaker 3: people and learning from other organizations can be really powerful.
Speaker 3: Just make sure if you're going to leave, you've done
Speaker 3: your research and you've taken all that you've gotten from
Speaker 3: that job. I mean, if you've got an amazing mentor
Speaker 3: if you still got more to learn from your current job,
Speaker 3: then maybe say write it out. If you're getting paid, well,
Speaker 3: if if everything's great, you know, always weiys of the
Speaker 3: pros and cons. But if everything's great, why always leave?
Speaker 3: The grass isn't always greener, But there is still so
Speaker 3: much power that you can have. Like, for example, there's
Speaker 3: certain industries like you should probably leave technology. Some tech
Speaker 3: things can become obsolete, my space.
Speaker 4: There are things that have coming on.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. So if you're like, for example, tech talk
Speaker 3: is going through a lot of turmoil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they close their like offices I believe in
Speaker 1: the US.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm gonna need them to come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like full time. I mean, we may have the app,
Speaker 1: but we're not really sure what's happening there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I deleted my app, which is a
Speaker 3: page rookie move, okay, but I needed the space. I'm
Speaker 3: a toddler and he takes maybe forty images on my
Speaker 3: phone to day this space. I was like, well, I
Speaker 3: can't scroll, so I'll delete it. But anyways, there's I mean,
Speaker 3: tech changes, it modernizes. I mean, we can talk about
Speaker 3: AI all day long, which is exciting. With that kind
Speaker 3: of suse you, it's kind of imperative that you move.
Speaker 3: So knowing your industry, knowing your organization, how adaptable your
Speaker 3: organization is. I'm fortunate enough that my organization's infesting in AI.
Speaker 3: They're investing in modernizing what we do. They're incredibly adaptable.
Speaker 3: Since I love it, I'm paid well, I have had
Speaker 3: no reason to leave, and I've been promoted with it.
Speaker 3: They've do a really great job at retention. You know,
Speaker 3: there's all types of other reasons to leave. Toxic management,
Speaker 3: unfair wages, your organization seems like they're not innovative, like
Speaker 3: maybe it's time to look so yeah, and I know
Speaker 3: it's so different for everyone.
Speaker 1: And that's why I ask. Because you see some people
Speaker 1: and of course everybody.
Speaker 2: Has their version of what perfect looks like, especially when
Speaker 2: it comes to employment, and some people are like, Nope,
Speaker 2: you should stand in a job for thirty years. Others
Speaker 2: are like, no, I'm getting out after five months. Time
Speaker 2: to try a new one. Everybody has this different version
Speaker 2: of perfect. Oh yeah, so it's interesting to see from
Speaker 2: your perspective. I think that's really great tools to have,
Speaker 2: like really understanding your own environment and who you are
Speaker 2: and what's happening within that.
Speaker 1: Now, I do want to talk about AI, because.
Speaker 3: You did just mention it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So what is happening with AI in
Speaker 2: the workspace? Like obviously we know AI is taking over
Speaker 2: some jobs, but is it helping other jobs?
Speaker 1: Like what does it look like for you guys?
Speaker 3: So a couple of things. Everyone's so uncertain with AI
Speaker 3: taking jobs and knowing what I know? Yeah, can It
Speaker 3: can be a little scary because I'm interested in that
Speaker 3: as just a side hobby. I love AI. I use
Speaker 3: I use chat GPT every single day. My organization has
Speaker 3: their own version of GPT. Internally. Yeah, it's fantastic. It
Speaker 3: can be scary if you go down some rabbit holes.
Speaker 3: But here's the problem is that the whole purpose of
Speaker 3: AI is to make things processes easier, quicker, more efficient.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. When people are using it, they're spending
Speaker 3: a lot of time in it to try to make
Speaker 3: it more efficient, that it's actually doing the opposite. They're
Speaker 3: spending more time in these platforms is not actually helping
Speaker 3: with a lot of creative space, and they can use
Speaker 3: AI to get ideas, but at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: not as creative as a human actually is. So I
Speaker 3: think that's been interesting. So right now we're in an
Speaker 3: interesting space because it's supposed to help us, but it's
Speaker 3: actually making things less sufficient because they're spending so much
Speaker 3: time in it. So I think once we learn and
Speaker 3: you're going to start to see pop up roles with
Speaker 3: people who specialize in that space, that those jobs are
Speaker 3: going to becoming more available. But right now people aren't
Speaker 3: fully investing in it. Some people are, some people aren't.
Speaker 3: We're kind of on a precipice. It's either going to
Speaker 3: really take off or it's going to be kind of
Speaker 3: the same, like something that helps us throughout our day,
Speaker 3: but maybe not completely take away all the jobs and
Speaker 3: then also create jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting.
Speaker 2: I think we focus on the negative side of when
Speaker 2: new technology comes in. But it's no different than you
Speaker 2: take someone like me, for example, I was on the
Speaker 2: beginning stages of what the heck a digital director is,
Speaker 2: and half the people still don't even know what I do.
Speaker 2: But I was at those beginning stages of monetizing social
Speaker 2: media for business and understanding also that it's a kind
Speaker 2: of mixed in job with marketing and PR and you're
Speaker 2: kind of taking on a few different roles within the
Speaker 2: digital space.
Speaker 1: And that was uncommon ten years ago. Now it's common everywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's one of those.
Speaker 2: And I feel like AI is one of these where
Speaker 2: when it comes in, everybody's like, here we go again,
Speaker 2: here's another new thing.
Speaker 3: But there's always good that comes of it.
Speaker 1: It's just waiting on it.
Speaker 2: And I do see the fear in that something obviously
Speaker 2: automizing things would create the sense of no longer job security.
Speaker 1: Because it is a possibility that it takes away jobs.
Speaker 1: But to your point, it also brings them in.
Speaker 2: So AI is a trending one where we could see
Speaker 2: some jobs start opening up.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. But I embrace AI. I think it's
Speaker 3: smart too. It's made my not I wouldn't say easier,
Speaker 3: but I have it has made it more efficient at
Speaker 3: least writing emails. Me and my boss we call chatty
Speaker 3: our teammate or another colleague because we use it that much.
Speaker 3: It's great for creating ideas and it's great for content.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we still have
Speaker 3: to put our own spin on it. We still have
Speaker 3: to bring our voice to the table. It's still very
Speaker 3: much so important, but we embrace it, We love it,
Speaker 3: and I hope my hope is that most people will
Speaker 3: do and realize it's more of an aid than something
Speaker 3: that's going to completely take away your job.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's also just the thing too, that it's easier
Speaker 2: to live in the fearful than trying to embrace the unknown.
Speaker 1: That's just normal, that's human nature to feel that way,
Speaker 1: So I could see why. But I love hearing your
Speaker 1: perspective on it.
Speaker 2: What other jobs might trend in that same way, because
Speaker 2: you know what, you're a trendsetter in like all kinds
Speaker 2: of different ways.
Speaker 1: But looking at the trends of jobs, as I imagine
Speaker 1: that something you pay attention to AI is one that
Speaker 1: because it's always a good thing to get.
Speaker 2: In on the ground floor of things, AI is going
Speaker 2: to be one if you start teaching yourself AI and
Speaker 2: really become a.
Speaker 1: Masterpiece on AI. What are some other jobs that you're
Speaker 1: seeing that are kind of starting to trend? And that
Speaker 1: might be a loaded question because there may not be any, but.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's digital transformation has changed a lot
Speaker 3: about what we do, how you buy products, how you
Speaker 3: interact with the world, and so making sure that if
Speaker 3: you're working in especially a professional job, that you understand
Speaker 3: these tools and how to use them, because your competition
Speaker 3: will and if you ever find yourself needing to find
Speaker 3: a job, it makes more business sense to hire someone
Speaker 3: who knows those things because you're not spending time training
Speaker 3: somebody on that. I mean, that's at the end of
Speaker 3: the day. And when I tell people about writing resumes
Speaker 3: and all of these things are interview prep. So businesses
Speaker 3: went three things. What they want is they want to
Speaker 3: know how you're going to save them time, money, or
Speaker 3: generate revenue. That's it. Every single role, that's what they're
Speaker 3: looking for. And so if you can save an organization
Speaker 3: time by knowing all of these skill sets or modernizing
Speaker 3: for example, copywriter right now, you're probably going to want
Speaker 3: to be able to use those AI tools and understand
Speaker 3: how to optimize your copy. That's going to make you
Speaker 3: more competitive versus someone who hasn't done that.
Speaker 4: M h.
Speaker 1: That totally makes sense.
Speaker 2: And it's just the way of the world where you
Speaker 2: there's a phrase and of course it's not coming to
Speaker 2: me right now, where it's like either get in or
Speaker 2: get out kind of thing. Like adapt and go with
Speaker 2: the times. And as everything's changing, you have to flow
Speaker 2: with it because otherwise you're going to be a flowing
Speaker 2: upstream when everybody else is going downstream.
Speaker 3: There's only one constant in business, and that's change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a good point.
Speaker 3: It's the only constant is that there's going to be
Speaker 3: peaks and valleys to any business. But like Blockbuster, I
Speaker 3: mean so I love.
Speaker 2: Hiking throwing these like random ones like for MySpace, Blockbuster
Speaker 2: and TikTok has been thrown under the bus multiple times.
Speaker 3: But I think it's also like business is how you
Speaker 3: get jobs, so so you have to adapt, you have
Speaker 3: to stay relevant to stay competitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's funny if you look at a lot
Speaker 2: of different businesses, like I look at Netflix when we're younger.
Speaker 2: Netflix started as this thing that set out of the
Speaker 2: Walgreens where you walked up and you pull the DVD
Speaker 2: out and then.
Speaker 3: Returned in nostalgia.
Speaker 1: Yeah truly.
Speaker 2: But like you think of what Netflix started, and they
Speaker 2: evolved and.
Speaker 1: Changed with the times. Instead of staying like, no, we
Speaker 1: are going to be.
Speaker 2: The DVD business and be outside of these businesses. Instead
Speaker 2: they said, okay, we should probably get rid of those.
Speaker 2: Let's see what this other thing is. And they changed
Speaker 2: and evolved with the times. It's a huge example of
Speaker 2: a massive company that instead of doing what they could
Speaker 2: have stayed with aka Blockbuster, they evolved and they found
Speaker 2: another way and then they changed.
Speaker 3: The whole game or all of a cable, it's the whole.
Speaker 3: Like innovation is so important. If you're a client and
Speaker 3: you're looking to hire, you always want to have those innovators,
Speaker 3: those people that think differently than you experience as a gift,
Speaker 3: and it's not just an experience on your resume, but
Speaker 3: it's also your life experience to hiring some A diverse
Speaker 3: team brings all of those perspectives. That's how organizations can innovate.
Speaker 3: And obviously it's important.
Speaker 1: Obviously innovation being prepared for change.
Speaker 2: Listen, just be like goo right now, Okay, and just
Speaker 2: mold and shape as life changes, because that's.
Speaker 1: What we all need to do.
Speaker 2: It's probably like the most disgusting thing I could have
Speaker 2: came up with for you to be like.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, just be adaptable. You're going to
Speaker 3: get thrones to curveballs in business. That's just fact of life,
Speaker 3: So be adoptable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to make sure everybody knows? Here's something of a topic
Speaker 2: that maybe I would have never asked a question on,
Speaker 2: or something that just comes to mind for you.
Speaker 3: And I get a lot of questions about getting a
Speaker 3: promotion within your job and ways to do that. If
Speaker 3: I were to give a piece of advice, is you've
Speaker 3: got to let it be known and not when it's
Speaker 3: too late. Talk about it often with your superiors, like, hey,
Speaker 3: I love this organization. It doesn't have to be coming
Speaker 3: in with a pitchfork and demanding a promotion, but it
Speaker 3: could be Hey, I know where I'm at now, I
Speaker 3: love the organization. I really enjoy my job. I enjoy
Speaker 3: the work that I do. Just know I plan on
Speaker 3: getting into leadership one day. So planting those seeds incredibly important.
Speaker 3: There was much more there too, as you said that
Speaker 3: it's funny.
Speaker 2: There is something that a conversation I look back on
Speaker 2: in my career. When I had first moved to Nashville,
Speaker 2: remember meeting one of my big bosses that I have
Speaker 2: currently with the job on the Bobby Bone Show, and
Speaker 2: she had come into my office. Well, it actually started
Speaker 2: with one of my other big bosses who had come
Speaker 2: in and was like, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: And he was recognizing He was like, obviously you have
Speaker 2: more talent than what's sitting right here and what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I think I'd want to work
Speaker 2: for a bigger show one day. It sounds really cool
Speaker 2: and I feel like I could be really good at that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was just kind of a planet. It was
Speaker 2: a passing conversation. It wasn't anything that was a big deal.
Speaker 2: A couple months later, he had brought his big boss in,
Speaker 2: who's now one of my big bosses, and she was like, so,
Speaker 2: what do you want to do?
Speaker 1: What's like your goal?
Speaker 2: And I planted the seed again and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is something that I feel like i'd.
Speaker 1: Be really good at.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of expertise and it evolves from
Speaker 2: this role and I'm still doing something similar and she
Speaker 2: was like okay, And a couple months later they had
Speaker 2: a hand in suggesting me for the job that I
Speaker 2: have now.
Speaker 1: And those were passing conversations. Those were not planned meetings.
Speaker 2: Those were not like I'm sitting here asking for everything.
Speaker 2: They were just little seeds that got planted in a conversation.
Speaker 2: So you're so right that that has such a big role.
Speaker 1: And I've never thought about that until now.
Speaker 3: If you've studied psychology, and now, granted I've taken one class,
Speaker 3: i am no expert. Like I've taken one class in college.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know one class is better than none.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you study it, you know that your
Speaker 3: brain categorizes people and sometimes you don't see people in
Speaker 3: a certain light unless you let it be known. For example,
Speaker 3: my husband, I was never saw him in a romantic way.
Speaker 3: He was my friend until one day rum was introduced
Speaker 3: and someone told me like, oh, Ricky would make a
Speaker 3: cute couple and turned my head to the side. I
Speaker 3: was like, what is cute? So but you know again
Speaker 3: that that seed was planted and I thought of them
Speaker 3: in a different light, in different space. So it's incredibly
Speaker 3: important to let it be known. But then once you
Speaker 3: let it be known, you gotta start to add to
Speaker 3: like a boss, and you gotta start building that brand.
Speaker 3: And you've got to start building your brag book too,
Speaker 3: you know, start to write down your successes.
Speaker 1: I love that. Also, I want to make a reference.
Speaker 2: His page is talking about her husband who was on
Speaker 2: this podcast, Ricky Fletcher, and he was talking about their relationship,
Speaker 2: which is an awesome episode if you want to.
Speaker 1: Go back for reference.
Speaker 3: So that's like a fun little easter.
Speaker 2: Egg into another podcast episode, like at that you were
Speaker 2: planting a seed, but it was an easter egg.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, like a Mickey Mouse, like you know,
Speaker 3: the hidden Mickeys.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also having a mentor. He's actually one
Speaker 3: of my mentors too in business, so he knows a
Speaker 3: lot about a lot of things. I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to brag on him too much, but yeah,
Speaker 3: he's really really strong. So I think it's also having
Speaker 3: mentors and people that you can count on outside of
Speaker 3: your organization too, to give you different perspectives on things
Speaker 3: is also important. But when it comes to promotions, you
Speaker 3: gotta let it be known. You gotta start building that
Speaker 3: brag book. I learned that and it's not just oh,
Speaker 3: I'm participating in this project or I'm doing this initiative,
Speaker 3: but then I'm also what was the result, so that
Speaker 3: at what revenue did that drive? Going back to those
Speaker 3: three things, how did I save this organization time, money,
Speaker 3: or generate revenue? You want those case studies so when
Speaker 3: you're ready for that promotion, they tap on you. You
Speaker 3: have a business case and you make it a no brainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good important tool because asking for
Speaker 2: a promotion is hard. I'm asking for an increase in
Speaker 2: salary or anything. I'm not also hard, negotiations are hard.
Speaker 1: There are things that they don't.
Speaker 2: Teach you in school. It's things that you have to experience.
Speaker 2: And you know, I remember doing mine for the first time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing, and then
Speaker 2: I'd get scared. I'd like send off the email and
Speaker 2: I'd be like my hands would be shaking, I'm sweating,
Speaker 2: and I'm like I don't really want to send this email,
Speaker 2: but like I deserve it, but also I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: That's just how it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, until you do evolve and you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I deserve this.
Speaker 1: This is what I want, I'm going to go for it.
Speaker 1: There's steps to that. So all to Page's point that
Speaker 1: you should let it be known.
Speaker 2: Majority of people, if you are working hard and you
Speaker 2: are already recognized is like a great talent within your
Speaker 2: company or within your organization, then they're going to want
Speaker 2: to help you evolve and grow within their company. But
Speaker 2: they can't do that if they don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to let it be known, and not
Speaker 3: when it's too late, not when the positions open. You've
Speaker 3: got to start planting those seeds that you want more
Speaker 3: and you're asking for more, you want to do more.
Speaker 3: Because also in the back of their head, what they're
Speaker 3: going to think is I'm going to need to promote
Speaker 3: this person to retain them if they're a good talent.
Speaker 3: And that's when like, once you let it be known,
Speaker 3: now don't fall off. This is not the time, but
Speaker 3: start showing up the work late and showing up with
Speaker 3: some sloppy hair.
Speaker 2: And no, this is instead the opposite of that, where
Speaker 2: you really put in more, and.
Speaker 3: Then that's when you lean in and you start to
Speaker 3: build your brand around like this is who I am.
Speaker 3: So I think that's also really important that you're seeing
Speaker 3: as a leader, So that's that's not the time to
Speaker 3: not brush your teeth and show up late in all
Speaker 3: of those things. That's really important.
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, of course, Thanks for talking all
Speaker 1: about jobs. You can tell also you're just passionate about
Speaker 1: But it does feel a little.
Speaker 2: Weird for me talking to you about jobs because I'm
Speaker 2: so used to our friendship being like pretty chaotic and
Speaker 2: we go and have fun, but right now we're both
Speaker 2: very professional talking about.
Speaker 3: I know, like you know, this is a little girl
Speaker 3: with an advertising degree, like asked to be made big
Speaker 3: decisions like who put this responsibility on me?
Speaker 2: I often think that, like, ha, who believe that this
Speaker 2: was a good idea for me to be in this position?
Speaker 1: Sometimes?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, imposter syndrome can be real, But
Speaker 3: I think it's you've got to have confidence in what
Speaker 3: you do and what you know. We didn't get here
Speaker 3: by accident.
Speaker 2: No, most people who made it to the top. We're
Speaker 2: not talking about the whole neo baby situation. Most people
Speaker 2: who make it to the top have worked very hard.
Speaker 3: Fortunately, I am not blessed to be a neo baby.
Speaker 1: No, you know, I didn't have a single family member
Speaker 1: that worked on the Bobby.
Speaker 2: Bunch say, I don't think that one happened, And same
Speaker 2: for you, Like you said, you were going in advertising
Speaker 2: and things just took a different turn. So I think
Speaker 2: it's a cool all around conversation, but also just cool
Speaker 2: to see what you're doing and how you've just taken
Speaker 2: over a very boss bitch. I'm gonna say it roll
Speaker 2: and it's been amazing.
Speaker 3: It has. But you know, I'm really lucky because I've
Speaker 3: got such great support. I work on an executive team
Speaker 3: that's made of over half women. Love that, which is
Speaker 3: also great, and they're all mothers, so it's also just
Speaker 3: great to have that support, that mentorship. I'm really lucky.
Speaker 3: Not everyone has that, and so I think that it's
Speaker 3: really important to have exposure and seeing yourself in other people.
Speaker 3: So AnyWho, I love that for you. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I've more to accomplis, so there's more to accomplished.
Speaker 3: There's so much to do, so you can't get rid
Speaker 3: of me yet, Rubber Half. Yeah, it's a great place
Speaker 3: to work, and you know, there's a reason why Fortune
Speaker 3: named us the most admired company for twenty seven consecutive
Speaker 3: years in a row.
Speaker 1: I believe that's because you're one of the boss babes
Speaker 1: that's on there. I mean, that's where we're at. That's
Speaker 1: what I feel, mostly because that's about all I know
Speaker 1: about the company. So I'm rolling with it. It's all you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna constantly draw plugs. See that's called
Speaker 3: planting seeds, you guys, so many seeds.
Speaker 1: Okay, Page, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 5: Also, thanks this week, I am joined with another one
Speaker 5: of my friends. Stacy is a friend that I met
Speaker 5: in high school and she's been killing it in her career.
Speaker 1: And this episode is all about careers.
Speaker 2: I had my other friend, Paigeon, who's an expert in
Speaker 2: the hiring field than what that all looks like, but
Speaker 2: Stacy has gone a completely different path than most people
Speaker 2: go and she's created a career for herself that I
Speaker 2: don't know that she ever saw coming. So, Stacey, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let you share where your story started in the
Speaker 2: career field and how you kind of got to where
Speaker 2: you are now.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, first and foremost, Morgan, thank you so much
Speaker 6: for having me. Okay, man, where do I even begin
Speaker 6: so to kind of take it back. About five years ago,
Speaker 6: I worked at one of our big medical centers here
Speaker 6: in Kansas. My background is I had two degrees and
Speaker 6: exercise science, worked as an exercise physiologist in cardiac rehab,
Speaker 6: went to school for that. Always wanted a job that
Speaker 6: I just was able to impact at least one person
Speaker 6: a day that was And it as cliche as that is,
Speaker 6: that's just truly what I wanted. And as like the
Speaker 6: years ago went by, you know, I loved loved what
Speaker 6: I did, loved what I do, but just knew that
Speaker 6: there was something missing in the job. But I was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what that is. So honestly, you know,
Speaker 6: I talked around to different people, friends and prayed on
Speaker 6: it for a while, and I just my friends would
Speaker 6: be like, so what do you what do you like?
Speaker 4: What are you good at?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't know. I like exercise, you know,
Speaker 6: getting out doing active things. But for like another hobby,
Speaker 6: I just didn't have anything that really just stood out
Speaker 6: to me. Again, just time kind of went by, and
Speaker 6: you know how people ask you like, what is the
Speaker 6: aha moment of you getting into something?
Speaker 4: I truly don't know how.
Speaker 6: I am a photographer, so like it still blows me
Speaker 6: away when I'm like, I'm doing what for my job now?
Speaker 6: But kind of had a lot of people that are
Speaker 6: big inspiration people to me and just kind of started
Speaker 6: asking me questions and it just kind of got the
Speaker 6: wheels turning in my head, like what I don't know?
Speaker 6: And I always liked capturing pictures and moments and everything,
Speaker 6: but never thought, oh, let's make it a job. And
Speaker 6: for me, I had no background in photography, taking zero classes,
Speaker 6: and people.
Speaker 4: Were like, why not just buy a camera?
Speaker 6: And I'm like they're so expensive that I'm like that
Speaker 6: is like that's a big thing to get involved with
Speaker 6: when I have zero.
Speaker 1: Background and You're like, it's just a hobby. I don't
Speaker 1: want to spend that money. What's happening here, right?
Speaker 6: But of course I'm like the most wild, crazy, insane, driven,
Speaker 6: motivated kind of person. And a couple of my friends
Speaker 6: are like, You're gonna look back and wish you would
Speaker 6: have at least tried, and I'm like, okay, that's all
Speaker 6: I need to then, just give me the motivation to
Speaker 6: just try, and I do. Like, you know, I chat
Speaker 6: with a lot of people about being you know, afraid
Speaker 6: to fail and stuff like that. For me, I just
Speaker 6: I'm not scared to be able to, you know, take
Speaker 6: the jump off the cliff. So I started playing around
Speaker 6: with it. Learned on YouTube, which is crazy, I mean
Speaker 6: that's a lot of people's story, but basically told myself,
Speaker 6: I will not stop until I learned how to take
Speaker 6: a photo on manual and not on like the auto.
Speaker 6: So started with my dog and then made my husband
Speaker 6: get out in the yard and like, let me practice.
Speaker 6: And then it just kind of started clicking and I posted,
Speaker 6: you know, the photos of my dog on social media
Speaker 6: and people started reaching out to me. And side note
Speaker 6: on that, just living in this area and growing up,
Speaker 6: I truly just have so many people surrounding me that
Speaker 6: just have supported me from the get go.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like, hey, you have a camera, you take pretty pictures,
Speaker 6: will you take a you know, some family photos? And
Speaker 6: I'm like sure, And it's sort of saying like, hey,
Speaker 6: what do you charge and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 6: and I'm googling.
Speaker 4: I'm like, how do you run a business? What do
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: I knew nothing, but just kind of kept going with
Speaker 6: the flow and literally just a hobby and passion that
Speaker 6: I never knew I had, so it's just kind of
Speaker 6: cool that I lean into it. And then fast forward
Speaker 6: a little bit, so the timeframe of me buying a
Speaker 6: camera to stepping away from the hospital and going full
Speaker 6: time with photography was very quick, just because I had
Speaker 6: my husband to lean on with jobs and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: But I go, I think I can do this, and
Speaker 6: he was like, okay, you know sort of thing like
Speaker 6: give it a good shot. And then we never saw
Speaker 6: COVID coming cod hit and being outpatient at the hospital.
Speaker 6: They let go of all those people anyways, So it's
Speaker 6: just crazy how there was a plan for me all along,
Speaker 6: knowing that things.
Speaker 4: Always work out.
Speaker 6: So yeah, COVID hit, and then some wedding photographers that
Speaker 6: took weddings day and were saying, they're like, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to shoot weddings, And then I had
Speaker 6: couples coming to me, hey will you shoot my wedding?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh god, like I just learned how
Speaker 6: to take some pictures, Like this is crazy, and so
Speaker 6: just really lean into that and like the opportunities that
Speaker 6: came my way and never look back. So it's just
Speaker 6: it's crazy. It's crazy, and that's kind of like the
Speaker 6: short snippet of the beginning, So just so grateful for
Speaker 6: the random path that I just, you know, decided to
Speaker 6: take a chance on.
Speaker 2: And this is why I have you on Stacy, because
Speaker 2: I think your story is so cool, because it's really
Speaker 2: easy to get a job when you're done with college
Speaker 2: or get a job out of high school, and you
Speaker 2: stay in it for twenty years and you never look
Speaker 2: at other options, you never explore past what you think
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing, and you went a complete
Speaker 2: opposite direction and did something that was not even something
Speaker 2: that was in your mind at the time of you
Speaker 2: doing any.
Speaker 1: Version of college or studying.
Speaker 2: And now you have this entire career that you've built
Speaker 2: out of it, and you have a following on Instagram,
Speaker 2: and you're traveling the world to do something that you
Speaker 2: didn't even know ten years ago was a possibility. And
Speaker 2: that's inspiring in itself. And you mentioned this a little bit.
Speaker 2: I want you to dive in a little bit more
Speaker 2: to it where you finally took that jump and you said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to quit my job and I think I'm
Speaker 2: going to try this full time. What were those feelings
Speaker 2: that you were having as that moment existed.
Speaker 6: I have always been the type of person that if
Speaker 6: you put something in front of me, I'm going to
Speaker 6: go after it. And it's like, get out of my
Speaker 6: way because I'm gonna either, you know, succeed or fail
Speaker 6: sort of thing. I just think again, I started just
Speaker 6: thinking about you know, I love being able to impact
Speaker 6: people at the hospital, patients like getting back on their feet.
Speaker 6: But I just again was like going, there's just something,
Speaker 6: some little piece of missing, and so it's always like
Speaker 6: and I say a lot of like cliche things, but
Speaker 6: I'm like, you're never gonna know if you don't try.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that it was a little scary, but at
Speaker 6: the same time, I go, I got this because if
Speaker 6: but if I.
Speaker 4: Don't got this, I left the hospital on good terms.
Speaker 6: I can always go back and I always have an A,
Speaker 6: B and C plan or I joke and say this,
Speaker 6: but I go say, none.
Speaker 4: Of this works out for me.
Speaker 6: I like candles, so I can start making candles like
Speaker 6: you always figure it out. But I think that that's
Speaker 6: what's hard for a lot of people is just to
Speaker 6: put that all to the side and just truly go
Speaker 6: after and I know it's I mean, it's easier said,
Speaker 6: than done with.
Speaker 4: A lot of things. But I just think the unknown is.
Speaker 6: Something special sometimes and I am a big believer in that,
Speaker 6: just like, hey, just give it a shot. So it's
Speaker 6: it's truly really cool. And I remember the conversation my
Speaker 6: husband and I had. He was just kind of saying, hey,
Speaker 6: like he supports everything and anything that I do, but
Speaker 6: he was telling me, he was like, hey, just hang
Speaker 6: on for a few more months, just for a steady
Speaker 6: two week paycheck as you kind of like transition and everything.
Speaker 4: And I looked at him and I said, I love
Speaker 4: you and respect to but I got this.
Speaker 6: I got this going back. I didn't know COVID was
Speaker 6: going to happen, so it's just crazy. It's crazy to me.
Speaker 6: And signed out on that too. Why he was like, hey,
Speaker 6: let's hang out a little bit more so. He was
Speaker 6: also starting his own business in insurance, and so then
Speaker 6: two entrepreneurs and then COVID hit. It was a little scary,
Speaker 6: but I mean just living in this area too, knowing
Speaker 6: that we have great support around us that say things
Speaker 6: don't work out, like we can go live in our parents'
Speaker 6: basement again. As much as you know, we didn't want
Speaker 6: to do that. Like, we'll figure it out. We'll figure
Speaker 6: it out.
Speaker 4: And that's talking to my parents about this too. I was.
Speaker 6: I was asking him a couple months ago, I said,
Speaker 6: what was your thought process on my husband and I
Speaker 6: Sam and I both going full time as entrepreneurs. He goes, Yeah,
Speaker 6: they'll figure it out, but it'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: For a little while. So I don't know. It's like
Speaker 4: it's the what if and you just got to go
Speaker 4: after it.
Speaker 2: Where do you feel like you've got this confidence inside
Speaker 2: yourself to just do it regardless of what was going
Speaker 2: to come? Because I hear that in you as you're
Speaker 2: sharing this story where you just had this, I got this,
Speaker 2: There's nothing is going to stop me.
Speaker 1: Where does that come from? Is that something that you
Speaker 1: inherently had or you've grown into?
Speaker 6: So I think as I've learned myself as i've gotten older, too,
Speaker 6: it is something you can't teach in people. You can't
Speaker 6: teach drive, you can't teach motivation. You know, you can
Speaker 6: listen to all these amazing things, but I think it
Speaker 6: comes down to just how I am, and I've always
Speaker 6: been a you gotta work hard, you gotta work hard
Speaker 6: for what you want, Like things won't be handed to you.
Speaker 6: And so I just think with that being said, like
Speaker 6: putting yourself out there and opportunities and just knowing that
Speaker 6: whatever happens happens. I think it's the mindset and that
Speaker 6: I do a lot of mentor sessions with other photographers
Speaker 6: and you know, some business owners, and I tell them,
Speaker 6: I'm like, you have to tell yourself you can do it,
Speaker 6: because when you start shifting and going, you know, that's
Speaker 6: where it's very Your mind is so powerful. And so
Speaker 6: I think that that's the cool thing about how I
Speaker 6: can go on and on just and I know it's
Speaker 6: so hard to openly say, like how proud you are
Speaker 6: of like yourself and what you've accomplished.
Speaker 4: And everything, But I just think, I'm like, nothing's been
Speaker 4: handed to me.
Speaker 6: I just again take opportunities where it is, and it
Speaker 6: just I lean into that going.
Speaker 4: It might be.
Speaker 6: Embarrassing, it might be hard, it might be you know,
Speaker 6: all the things, but like hard things is where you grow.
Speaker 4: As a person.
Speaker 6: And I just think it's it's a cool thing to
Speaker 6: just tell yourself like, hey, you can do it and
Speaker 6: on that. The difficult thing too, is for me it
Speaker 6: was hard to step away from having two degrees in
Speaker 6: something that I've studied hard for and then I wasn't
Speaker 6: using anymore. But love my husband, he gives me a
Speaker 6: lot of hard talks. He like pulled me aside and
Speaker 6: he goes, hey, as simple as this, he goes, I
Speaker 6: can't believe I'm in minting this. But he was like,
Speaker 6: you have been away from the hospital for X amount
Speaker 6: of months in time, he was like, take it off
Speaker 6: of your Facebook bio and I'm like, yeah, but I
Speaker 6: worked so hard for that. But then I also was
Speaker 6: a little bit of like, you know, anyone could pick
Speaker 6: up a camera and start taking pictures and being a photographer.
Speaker 6: So I think for me, it was just the background
Speaker 6: of like how hard you work. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: none of that matters.
Speaker 4: And now that I.
Speaker 6: Am in the position I am, none of that matters.
Speaker 6: Like the credibility is just do whatever makes you happy.
Speaker 6: And I know I'm like on the other side of
Speaker 6: things now, but truly knowing that nobody cares in a
Speaker 6: good way.
Speaker 4: I always say, like, nobody cares as much as you do.
Speaker 6: And that's where, you know, I had to just get
Speaker 6: over the fact of like being in front of the
Speaker 6: camera or you know, doing silly reels and stuff on
Speaker 6: Instagram like do.
Speaker 4: What makes you happy?
Speaker 6: And I know, again that's easier said than done, but
Speaker 6: it's just it's cool when you let all of that
Speaker 6: background noise go and you just tell yourself like, hey,
Speaker 6: this makes me happy and I'm just going to go
Speaker 6: after it. And like I said, I could preach on
Speaker 6: this all day, but like mindset, mindset.
Speaker 4: Mindset is such a huge thing and a powerful thing.
Speaker 1: It is very powerful.
Speaker 2: What you say to yourself matters, and it does manifest
Speaker 2: in different ways.
Speaker 1: You saying that, you're like, I know, I'm on the
Speaker 1: other side of it, but you did put in.
Speaker 2: All of this work, and you took a leap of
Speaker 2: faith and you trusted yourself. And that's not easy work.
Speaker 2: And it's easy to look on now because hindsight is
Speaker 2: always twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But yes, sitting in those positions when.
Speaker 2: You were I'm sure there were moments and you're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen, but I gotta
Speaker 2: try this. Yes, And I think that tenacity is something
Speaker 2: to be admired, and that's probably why so many people
Speaker 2: are like, how are you doing this? Where is this happening?
Speaker 2: And there there's this part of you that's built in.
Speaker 2: But to your point, also, if you do change your mindset.
Speaker 2: I think anybody is capable of anything if they're willing
Speaker 2: to adapt their mindset.
Speaker 1: That's the key.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I know one thing too.
Speaker 6: To this day, like I wake up and I'm like,
Speaker 6: thank you, thank you for this small little business, and
Speaker 6: no matter where it takes me, keep me humble and
Speaker 6: nice people and grateful. And I just think I've seen
Speaker 6: so much again growth in myself. I feel like I
Speaker 6: say this over and over and over, but I am
Speaker 6: so stink and grateful for everything that has come in
Speaker 6: my lap.
Speaker 4: And where life now.
Speaker 6: You know, looks like for me, some people can go
Speaker 6: back going man, like I wish I would have started
Speaker 6: this earlier. I wish I would have done this and
Speaker 6: that and this. I really try not to think about
Speaker 6: that because you know, I'm thirty two. I got into phtography,
Speaker 6: I leaned into it when I was twenty eight. And
Speaker 6: for me, I really noticed when I went to my
Speaker 6: first workshop that people are going around the room saying
Speaker 6: how long they've done it and how old they are,
Speaker 6: And I'm sitting there going, oh man, all these people
Speaker 6: are twenty two twenty three, I'm twenty eight. But really,
Speaker 6: as I've looked back, I go, none, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter the age, it doesn't matter anything. And
Speaker 6: I'm grateful though that I've found my career and passion
Speaker 6: at thirty two. But everything that I've done before has
Speaker 6: guided me and gotten me where I am today. So
Speaker 6: that's why I just like, even though you know, thousands
Speaker 6: of dollars in debt for two degrees whatever, but I
Speaker 6: just again, I'm so grateful for everything that's landed in
Speaker 6: my lap, and like the people that I get to
Speaker 6: meet and just the things that I get to do,
Speaker 6: And as so many people can say, just I still
Speaker 6: and I joked about this earlier, but when I start
Speaker 6: really talking to people about my passion and my business
Speaker 6: and everything, I'm like, how do I get to do
Speaker 6: this for my job? Because yes, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: hard work that comes with it, but it's it's work
Speaker 6: that I want to do. I go out to weddings
Speaker 6: and shoot a beautiful wedding and then come back, but
Speaker 6: I am so excited to sit down at my computer
Speaker 6: see what I created, and I'm like, what the heck?
Speaker 4: Like I took that like it still blows me away.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: You do have to be your own hype person too,
Speaker 2: and that's a great part of this. When you become
Speaker 2: someone who is chasing a dream or following a path
Speaker 2: that not a lot of people have, or it looks
Speaker 2: different in a different way because you didn't come out
Speaker 2: of school shooting photography, you didn't take classes and you
Speaker 2: took a different path to get to where you are,
Speaker 2: or you took a new path that a lot of
Speaker 2: people haven't done yet. There is this level of hyping
Speaker 2: up you really have to do for yourself and convince
Speaker 2: yourself that, yeah, I can do this, I can start
Speaker 2: this trend.
Speaker 1: I can be the one who changes the game. And
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: And when you have that belief and ability in yourself,
Speaker 2: this is what happens, something like this, a career that
Speaker 2: totally changes your life.
Speaker 4: I know, it's amazing though, and I just.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never in a million years thought my life
Speaker 6: would look like this, But I just so grateful.
Speaker 2: So what do you tell somebody who's maybe sitting there
Speaker 2: and there. It's really easy to get miserable in a job.
Speaker 2: You get stuck somewhere. And I commend people also because
Speaker 2: there's a level here of survival and you got to
Speaker 2: do what you gotta do to pay bills and take
Speaker 2: care of your family. But there is also another level
Speaker 2: where you deserve not to be miserable and you deserve
Speaker 2: to do things that make you happy. So if you're
Speaker 2: talking to someone who is just kind of sitting there, like,
Speaker 2: I do not know what life has in store.
Speaker 1: For me, and this isn't it, But I don't know
Speaker 1: where to start. What would you kind of tell them
Speaker 1: if they were sitting in that position?
Speaker 4: A big question?
Speaker 1: But I know, but you were kind of in this
Speaker 1: you had this moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I again, talk to a lot of
Speaker 6: people about different we all are at different seasons of life.
Speaker 4: We're all at different places.
Speaker 6: For me, like, my life looks completely different in the
Speaker 6: way that I've been able to do things because of.
Speaker 4: X, Y and Z.
Speaker 6: But I just think though that you don't have to
Speaker 6: hard stop and go when you do things, but.
Speaker 4: Just start dabbling.
Speaker 6: Like again, it's all about where you put yourself in
Speaker 6: the opportunities that I think that people should just you know,
Speaker 6: if something comes up, or they meet someone or hey,
Speaker 6: you know, let's full yet coffee or whatever. You just
Speaker 6: never know what that can look like, or the conversations
Speaker 6: to have with people, Like I personally get a lot
Speaker 6: of messages about certain this and this and that from
Speaker 6: random photographers that reach out to me, and I try
Speaker 6: my very best to answer anyone and everyone just if
Speaker 6: they have questions about life or man, you know, your
Speaker 6: story inspired me because I truly think that, like because
Speaker 6: of how I've told my story and it's impacted other people,
Speaker 6: which is it's so cool to hear that. But just
Speaker 6: knowing that, take a chance on yourself. You know, you
Speaker 6: don't have to be like, oh, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: start in the next month two months, just kind of
Speaker 6: slowly put yourself out there, have conversations with people.
Speaker 4: Ask questions.
Speaker 6: And that's the biggest thing is like, no question is
Speaker 6: a dumb question. And that's why I always tell people
Speaker 6: because it's like if the questions that you don't ask.
Speaker 4: Like you don't know. Personally.
Speaker 6: For me, I didn't know what I was going to
Speaker 6: take pictures of. I didn't know what my life was
Speaker 6: going to look like. But I started reaching out to
Speaker 6: some people in the Witchha area, Hey, like can I
Speaker 6: come hang out with you at your wedding or like
Speaker 6: float your bags or just watch you and do whatever.
Speaker 6: And I had so many people just be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: come hang out, like bring your camera if you want to,
Speaker 6: and you know, practice and I just think people taking
Speaker 6: the chance on.
Speaker 4: Me, I like to reciprocate that on the other end
Speaker 4: of like.
Speaker 6: That's why I just want to help people, because so
Speaker 6: many people help me in the beginning start baby steps,
Speaker 6: tiptoe into things you just never know. And I think that,
Speaker 6: you know, when I talk to people about, oh I
Speaker 6: do this, but I want to go full time. I
Speaker 6: have a lot of those conversations with people. I'm like,
Speaker 6: listen you just as a person, like you just need to.
Speaker 4: Hear you are better than what you think.
Speaker 6: And I think the positivity coming from who you surround
Speaker 6: yourself with is huge. And people again going back to
Speaker 6: like the mindset thing, like how do you I have
Speaker 6: conversations today with a friend where she's like, how do
Speaker 6: you keep yourself in this positive mindset? I'm like, trust me,
Speaker 6: you know, life has its ups and downs. But again
Speaker 6: it's just telling myself like I can do this and
Speaker 6: it's all going to be okay and everything is going
Speaker 6: to be okay, and just you gotta try, like you
Speaker 6: just you got to go after things.
Speaker 2: Were there people at some point when you first started this,
Speaker 2: not necessarily even close to you, but just were there
Speaker 2: people who were doubting you and had you kind of
Speaker 2: doubt yourself at all in a moment where you're just like,
Speaker 2: maybe they're right, maybe this isn't going to work out?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? Did you ever have that experience?
Speaker 6: Okay, so not really, because I am so good about
Speaker 6: blocking out everything around me and.
Speaker 4: I just I in a good way. I just do
Speaker 4: what I want.
Speaker 6: And so it's like people around me, know, my family,
Speaker 6: my friends, it's like you have no choice than just
Speaker 6: to support me because I will figure it out myself.
Speaker 6: And you know, you can have conversations of asking like,
Speaker 6: oh do you think I can do this? But like
Speaker 6: nobody can tell you if you can do something, like
Speaker 6: you've got to do it yourself, and that's the telling yourself.
Speaker 4: That you can do it. But no, I just I
Speaker 4: never asked questions like that. I never asked for people's
Speaker 4: opinions of oh, should I.
Speaker 6: Do this or not, like I'll figure it out, I'll
Speaker 6: do it, And I think that that's the best thing
Speaker 6: that you can do for any person, any job, anywhere
Speaker 6: anything that you do, like do it yourself, like, don't
Speaker 6: do it for anybody else. And that's what I truly
Speaker 6: love about myself is like I'm doing this for me,
Speaker 6: and I think just seeing everything come with it is
Speaker 6: really cool cause it just it's it all just kind
Speaker 6: of falls into place, And especially in twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: was a big shift. Like I each year have just
Speaker 6: grown and I look at myself the mirror and I'm like, sace,
Speaker 6: be better than what you were yesterday. And I think
Speaker 6: that that's the best thing you can do, especially in
Speaker 6: a creative space or an industry that you're in a
Speaker 6: sense like compare. You can compare yourself to so many people.
Speaker 6: And I always say, I'm like, put your little blinders
Speaker 6: on and focus on what's in front of you and
Speaker 6: what makes you happy, and the rest will follow. Because
Speaker 6: it's so easy to get wrapped up in oh man.
Speaker 6: Like I remember having a little bit of those thoughts
Speaker 6: where I'd see these insane photographers, I'm like, man, how
Speaker 6: how But I think when you look at that big picture,
Speaker 6: way way too too big and too much like that's
Speaker 6: when you get overwhelmed with a bunch of stuff. So
Speaker 6: just taking little steps and then looking back now at
Speaker 6: like my journey, I'm like, WHOA. Because I blocked out
Speaker 6: everything and just focused on what makes me happy and
Speaker 6: like me posting the work, then everything else will just
Speaker 6: come with it.
Speaker 2: That's also good advice too, because it is hard to
Speaker 2: block things out, especially when you're chasing things that don't
Speaker 2: look the same to everybody else. On the side of
Speaker 2: being an entrepreneur, were there ever moments and there still
Speaker 2: might be where you get a little afraid. You're like,
Speaker 2: how is this going to support me? How is this
Speaker 2: going to support my life? Because I know with an
Speaker 2: entrepreneur and starting a new career, a lot of finances
Speaker 2: come with that, and finances shift all across the board.
Speaker 1: You're not in a salary job.
Speaker 2: You're in a job that you're the one who's responsible
Speaker 2: for your survival. So finances are hard for people to
Speaker 2: talk about. So I feel like if you can shed
Speaker 2: some light, that would be a good thing.
Speaker 6: So the good thing about me and where I am
Speaker 6: in my space is there's so many different avenues that
Speaker 6: you can go down. So starting out, you know, I
Speaker 6: took newborn, I did families, I did couples, I did everything,
Speaker 6: and then I niche down pretty fast. Again, it's all
Speaker 6: based on everyone as a whole, but there's always something
Speaker 6: you can go after. You just have to be proactive
Speaker 6: about it. And that's where I'm always like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna give you Know. When I niche down and was
Speaker 6: like I'm only doing couples and weddings, I knew that.
Speaker 4: I go okay.
Speaker 6: So if if let's say I can't get enough weddings
Speaker 6: to support what I want or buying this and that
Speaker 6: and this, I can take some family stuff.
Speaker 4: I can go do this.
Speaker 6: I think that that's the good thing about photography is
Speaker 6: there's so many different things. And I always say, I'm like,
Speaker 6: what if nothing eighty year old Grandma's birthday? Like people's expectations,
Speaker 6: and again, I love being in the space because you know,
Speaker 6: social media has took a huge turn in the past
Speaker 6: four years. I would say four years of like people's
Speaker 6: expectations are going up and up and up. And I
Speaker 6: always say in the medical field, job security, but I go, man,
Speaker 6: having a camera in my hand is pretty good job
Speaker 6: security because people want those memories, people want those.
Speaker 4: Moments that I get to capture.
Speaker 6: So I think it's really special but kind of going
Speaker 6: back to the financial thing is just know that it's
Speaker 6: I know it's so scary, but for me, I was
Speaker 6: thankful and grateful to have my husband to lean on a.
Speaker 4: Little bit, even though he was starting his own business.
Speaker 6: But again just taking opportunity where it lays and just
Speaker 6: grabbing that and go. And I've had some conversations with
Speaker 6: people in salary positions going. I had a girl say
Speaker 6: she's like, I don't know how you do it, and
Speaker 6: like the unknown of when are you.
Speaker 4: Gonna get paid? And I go, I this is where
Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe I'm a little crazy.
Speaker 6: I like the excitement of well, who knows, who knows
Speaker 6: what's gonna happen, and that's it takes. Like for me,
Speaker 6: I'm just like, I gotta work hard again, nothing will be.
Speaker 4: Handed to me. I go out and get it.
Speaker 6: And the biggest thing I tell people when they want to,
Speaker 6: especially like build up their business, is it's who you know,
Speaker 6: getting your name out there, and it's just a domino
Speaker 6: effect and keeping that consistency and drive and about how
Speaker 6: like I run my business. I am so dank consistent
Speaker 6: on all, you know, as many platforms as I can be,
Speaker 6: especially Instagram because that's my main focus. But I always
Speaker 6: joke and I'm like, man, my friends, I'm like, if
Speaker 6: you follow me and I'm annoying, like just mute me,
Speaker 6: like I don't care because you're not my client that
Speaker 6: I'm going after.
Speaker 4: But I just think the consistency in business is huge, huge,
Speaker 4: too huge.
Speaker 6: But yeah, the financial it's especially in an art job,
Speaker 6: you don't know when it could end.
Speaker 4: You don't know when the next booking is going to be.
Speaker 6: To me. I just always try not to like focus
Speaker 6: on the back end of oh, this is so much
Speaker 6: I'm making like I'm always looking at the future and
Speaker 6: the positive, just going like, hey, let's just keep tracking forward,
Speaker 6: Like you can't think about the past.
Speaker 4: You can't think about you know.
Speaker 6: I can be like, oh cool, like look where I
Speaker 6: was last year and look where I am today. But
Speaker 6: I just tried not to look and like, oh, like
Speaker 6: what you can't control and what you can't get.
Speaker 2: Finances too, for people, they're just a difficult topic because
Speaker 2: we've also been taught not to talk about our finances
Speaker 2: and share with people how things are. But it is
Speaker 2: a very real side of the real world because that's
Speaker 2: how people are going to survive, and that's what I
Speaker 2: think stops a lot of people from chasing a dream
Speaker 2: or going after a job is they're like, I can't
Speaker 2: survive doing this and I can't start this.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: But hearing a story like yours, I think is impactful
Speaker 2: because if it allows them to see that there is
Speaker 2: a side that's successful to that, you just have to
Speaker 2: be willing to work really hard to get it.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And I know, especially with being of chargper,
Speaker 6: things are not cheap. And I remember conversations my husband
Speaker 6: be like, oh, why do you need another camera? And
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, if I'm going to be a wedding charker,
Speaker 6: I have to have multiple and he's like, oh, why
Speaker 6: you're not using those? I'm like, those are the one
Speaker 6: hips and he's like I don't get that, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: neither do I. But you gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 6: safe and you know, rather than sorry sort of thing.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's just it's really hard. But just work
Speaker 6: in consistency and just going after Oh what I was
Speaker 6: going to say too is one tip I tell people
Speaker 6: when I travel, especially for out of state weddings or
Speaker 6: country I try because I like to maximize where I'm going.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay. So if I'm flying in.
Speaker 6: And I have like a day to kind of like
Speaker 6: roam around the city or do whatever, I reach out
Speaker 6: to at least like one to three couples and it's
Speaker 6: kind of a mass message all over Instagram.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I just slide and I'm like, Hey, I'm Stacey. I'm
Speaker 6: coming into your city. Do you want free photos? And
Speaker 6: that is one of my big marketing tools that I
Speaker 6: continue to use, is I meet up with a random couple,
Speaker 6: take their photos, say.
Speaker 4: Hey, here you go, and then go on with my life.
Speaker 6: And then that's just how I kind of spread my
Speaker 6: name in their little area with their friends. And it's
Speaker 6: just crazy to me to see how many other weddings
Speaker 6: I've gotten from free shoots that I've done, and having
Speaker 6: these conversations with people you know and other people in
Speaker 6: my industry, they're like, wait, so you just like you're hungry.
Speaker 6: I'm like, right, And I think that that's where you
Speaker 6: have to be as an entrepreneur is you have to
Speaker 6: be hungry, Like you have to be willing to go
Speaker 6: out and get it, and no matter when you get
Speaker 6: to a point in your business or in a point
Speaker 6: in life, Like you can't just be content and just
Speaker 6: be like, oh now I'm here, things.
Speaker 4: Will just come to me.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna sit back like I continue to be like,
Speaker 6: all right, where's the next thing, Like, let's go get it.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's the biggest tip in.
Speaker 6: Knowing that you got to go out and get it
Speaker 6: and like you have to work hard for what you want.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, I love that marketing tool. That's brilliant
Speaker 1: and also just across the board, great idea.
Speaker 2: I love that you're doing that. I have two fun
Speaker 2: questions for you before we jump.
Speaker 1: Out of here.
Speaker 2: Yes these are like related, but not have you at
Speaker 2: this point you've shot so many weddings, You've worked with
Speaker 2: so many couples.
Speaker 1: Do you have something.
Speaker 2: Where if you notice a particular something that happens at
Speaker 2: a wedding or with a couple, you're like, I don't
Speaker 2: think this is gonna work out.
Speaker 1: Have you picked up on that yet?
Speaker 6: The amount of times people outside of the industry have
Speaker 6: as me that is actually funny.
Speaker 2: And so you know why I say this too, because
Speaker 2: there's so many times where you talk to somebody in
Speaker 2: a profession, like I went on a date to a
Speaker 2: dancing class, right, we had a dance instructor, and the
Speaker 2: dance instructor was like, I know how people work, and
Speaker 2: I will know if they're going to work within that moment.
Speaker 2: So I feel like weddings too, in particular. You just
Speaker 2: get a different side of people, and I think that's
Speaker 2: why people are so curious if you might start to
Speaker 2: pick up on things, especially doing as many as you do.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 6: I would say I'm a very aware person, which helps
Speaker 6: me in this industry because I can read people pretty
Speaker 6: well and like when to you know, back off, when
Speaker 6: to enter sort of thing. I would say part of
Speaker 6: me is like where I am now in my visinits
Speaker 6: maybe in the beginning a little bit where I was
Speaker 6: like growing, you know, the couples maybe didn't vibe as well,
Speaker 6: you know, stuff like that. But I'm pretty solid on
Speaker 6: the couples that come my way and I'm grateful for them,
Speaker 6: so I don't I feel like I don't see a
Speaker 6: lot of that anymore, but there is certain little things
Speaker 6: where I'm like, oh, that might be a little thing
Speaker 6: to work through in the first part of marriage because
Speaker 6: of the way things are. But I don't know, maybe
Speaker 6: maybe that's just being like, oh love, you know everything
Speaker 6: is going to be fine and dandy.
Speaker 1: Well that's a good thing. If you're not spotting it,
Speaker 1: that means that it's not happening. So this is progress.
Speaker 6: And you know, things that have happened for me personally
Speaker 6: with you know, weddings and people.
Speaker 4: That book me.
Speaker 6: There has been a couple instances, like before entering into
Speaker 6: the wedding that maybe they canceled their wedding or whatever.
Speaker 6: So again that hasn't happened very often, but it's just
Speaker 6: things like that happen. But on the wedding day, I
Speaker 6: truly have not I don't know. I guess I haven't
Speaker 6: had a couple where I'm like.
Speaker 4: Whoa, this is crazy.
Speaker 6: So that's a good thing face to be in where
Speaker 6: I'm like I just and it's my energy also attracts
Speaker 6: my certain clients and that's why I show myself so
Speaker 6: much on social media too, because like I want people
Speaker 6: to know that I'm like, this is who you're getting,
Speaker 6: this is what it's going to be on your wedding day.
Speaker 6: So maybe it's just I don't know, maybe a miracle
Speaker 6: matchmaker marriage person.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you're like the good luck check of weddings.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to say that.
Speaker 1: But that's that's like the good thing, you know, you
Speaker 1: bring the good luck with you.
Speaker 2: That's the hope. Okay, the other fun one. Has anybody
Speaker 2: ever asked you to take an interesting photo where you're like,
Speaker 2: I haven't done that before?
Speaker 4: So there was a trend. This was two years ago,
Speaker 4: so twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6: I think there's a trend going on TikTok that for
Speaker 6: like at your wedding, so like before your photographer leaves
Speaker 6: or later in the reception, like a spicy photo shoot.
Speaker 6: And I know this is so take with a grain
Speaker 6: of salt. It's more so like than two in the back,
Speaker 6: you know, just like having fun and just fully you
Speaker 6: know everything.
Speaker 1: But nods type situation.
Speaker 4: Got it? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I got that at three weddings, and the first one,
Speaker 6: the girl was I was, you know, I was saying goodbye.
Speaker 4: You know, saying my things.
Speaker 6: I kind of give a little bit of time before
Speaker 6: I'm like, hey, you know, do you want anything else
Speaker 6: before I head out? And she was like oh, real quick,
Speaker 6: like can he doesn't know, but like.
Speaker 4: Can you go take some pictures?
Speaker 6: You have some spicy pictures and I'm like, oh, and
Speaker 6: then the coordinator that I was working, I was like, sure, yeah,
Speaker 6: like I'm here for you. The coordinator she was telling me,
Speaker 6: she goes, oh, by the way, it's like a trend on.
Speaker 4: TikTok, and I said.
Speaker 6: Oh, that makes sense that TikTok is is great, but
Speaker 6: that I mean, really though, I don't think. I think
Speaker 6: it's how I carry myself and just what situations that
Speaker 6: I put myself in that Thankfully, I haven't had a
Speaker 6: ton of crazy, crazy thing.
Speaker 4: But it's spicy photo shoot.
Speaker 2: But honestly leave it to TikTok, especially if it continues
Speaker 2: to stay around, I think you might have some more
Speaker 2: interesting requests because inspires the craziest of ideas. It's fun,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely an interesting moment where you're like, I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that before. Yeah, yep, absolutely, thank you for
Speaker 2: coming on, thank you for sharing your story. It's super
Speaker 2: inspiring of what you've done and what you've built your
Speaker 2: career too, and I'm just excited to see what else
Speaker 2: you keep.
Speaker 1: Doing, and I know you will.
Speaker 2: It'll be like shooting for the stars is what's going
Speaker 2: to be watching you. You're like a little astronaut, but
Speaker 2: in the photography world.
Speaker 4: Well right back at you too.
Speaker 6: So it's just really cool to see you growing and
Speaker 6: where you were and just knowing you from high school
Speaker 6: and where you are today too.
Speaker 4: So super cool.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Look at us, just two people chase
Speaker 2: in some fun dreams. That's the purpose.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, thanks Stacy, Yes, thank you so much.
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