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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcoming to a Wednesday ED issue of Texans All Access

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Speaker 2: from the Monday Texans radio studio, John Harris alongside the

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Speaker 2: Voice to the Texans, Mark Vandermere. The two of us

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Speaker 2: were vehemently opposed to the tush push ban and we

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Speaker 2: won today.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing? I don't know about vehemently for me?

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Speaker 1: I speaking for you, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I thought, you know, big deal, But until it happens

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Speaker 4: to you, right until you're.

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Speaker 1: Playing the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: So wait, you have the list of teams that voted

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Speaker 4: to ban, yes to ban the tush push? Were they

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Speaker 4: all NFC East or were all the other NFC East

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Speaker 4: opponents in that group?

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Speaker 2: So if you are just joining us or wanting to

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Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, the tush push is still alive.

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Speaker 1: That was something that was.

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Speaker 4: Talked about at the.

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Speaker 2: Owners meetings in March when you were in Orland. There

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Speaker 2: were the breakers, and then today there was a revote

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Speaker 2: at the annual meeting or the owners meetings up in Minneapolis. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you need twenty four votes. The tush push ban got

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Speaker 2: only twenty two. The ten teams that voted against the

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Speaker 2: tush push ban. Okay, these are the ones that were like,

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Speaker 2: tush push, Let's keep pushing tushes. Okay, the Eagles obviously, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens, the Browns, the Lions, the Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans.

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Speaker 2: So every NFC East team is like, get that thing

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Speaker 2: out of here.

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Speaker 4: They got to see it twice a year minimum. They

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Speaker 4: don't want to see it. They don't want to see it.

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Speaker 4: Washington played them three times last year. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how many tush pushes were in that well.

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Speaker 2: In the NFC Championship game, it almost kind of became

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Speaker 2: a joke because Frankie Luvu kept trying to die over

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Speaker 2: the top and try to stop it. And there's a

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Speaker 2: part of me that's like, there's a part of me,

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Speaker 2: a small part of me that thought about the tush

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Speaker 2: push in a way that, Okay, it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 2: stop everything in NFL history, no matter what it was,

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Speaker 2: the first forward pass, the T formation, everything got stopped

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Speaker 2: or gets stopped. Nothing has run rampant just across the board.

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Speaker 2: It always gets stopped. So I always thought about this

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Speaker 2: as I kind of want to see it stick around

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Speaker 2: because I want to see somebody stop it. Yeah, devise

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Speaker 2: some way to stop, to devise some way to stop it,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it just dies on

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Speaker 2: the vine later, but nobody has The commanders last year

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Speaker 2: were kind of toying around with it to a point

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Speaker 2: where they messed with it at the I can't remember

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Speaker 2: when it was during the game, but to a point

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Speaker 2: where the official had to turn on his mic and say, look,

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Speaker 2: if the commanders do this again, we have the power.

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Speaker 1: The referees have the power to a.

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Speaker 2: Ward a touchdown to the Eagles, cheez, because they kept

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Speaker 2: jumping off SIDEV was diving over what.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of buzz killing And that's what I imagine

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Speaker 4: the NFL was trying to, uh, you know, keep away from.

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Speaker 4: But it stands.

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Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like pushing players in general.

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Speaker 4: That's the one thing I thought about it. That was

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Speaker 4: the one thing I'd issue with. I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: It's there for a reason you and I were discussing

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Speaker 4: this off the year. It's hard to officiate. There's some

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Speaker 4: gray areas From time to time. When it happens to you,

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Speaker 4: you feel like, oh man, that's like cheating. It feels

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Speaker 4: like it. But credit the teams to do it. I

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Speaker 4: don't think we do that enough over the course of

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Speaker 4: Texans history. I haven't seen enough of that kind of

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Speaker 4: thing from the Texans in close yardage situations. But the

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Speaker 4: fact that all the NFC East teams didn't like it,

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Speaker 4: and doing the math, you just pointed out the ten

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Speaker 4: teams that voted to keep it or wouldn't vote against it.

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Speaker 4: The Texans wanted it out since one voting for the band. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: for the band. They wanted no tousch push. And that

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Speaker 4: was the majority of the league twenty two. But you

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Speaker 4: need twenty four. You need seventy five percent to make

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Speaker 4: it pass. Do you remember a team being successful with

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Speaker 4: it against US? I don't, But what I do what

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Speaker 4: I think we've done much better. Ironically, since CJ took

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Speaker 4: over as quarterback, we're much better with quarterback sneaks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's super strong.

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Speaker 2: He's very strong, and he's very smart about where he

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Speaker 4: His body description it's hard to verbalize because I've seen

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Speaker 4: bigger quarterbacks, okay, yeah, and you've seen quarterbacks that you

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Speaker 4: feel like are more athletic. For lack of a better

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Speaker 4: way of putting it, I think he's deceptively athletic and

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Speaker 4: quick behind the line of stray much and I think

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Speaker 4: that he'll only get better at that as time goes on.

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Speaker 4: The run he had in the playoff game against the

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Speaker 4: Charge case in point, I mean he had the burners

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Speaker 4: going for that one. Yep, it was awesome. But Johnny,

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Speaker 4: he's thick. He just got thick legs and button everything.

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Speaker 4: It's just the bigger quarterbacks get hurt less by and large.

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Speaker 4: He's only his two games in his two year career

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Speaker 4: so far. Let's knock on whatever he can knock on

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Speaker 4: right now. Keep the health thing going for CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, great that he does quarterback sneaks well, because

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Speaker 4: you and I have talked about it, this team and

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Speaker 4: quarterback sneaks. We've seen our share of quarterbacks go out

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Speaker 4: Matt Shop, Tom Savage in crucial situations going out because

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Speaker 4: of a quarterback sneak injury. And that's why the Eagles,

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Speaker 4: for the team Brock are a real good team with

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Speaker 4: the tush push. They coach it well and Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 4: can squat like a thousand pounds or something, and he's

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Speaker 4: a real physical dude.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the Eagles answer to the tush

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Speaker 2: push would have just been take the guy behind Jalen

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Speaker 2: pushing and the running back behind and just take them

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Speaker 2: out of the equation and just let two guys go

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Speaker 2: in the a gaps and push, but not push Jalen.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be just as that would be

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Speaker 2: just as effective as a quarterback sneak if they did

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Speaker 1: Here's funny.

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Speaker 2: I over the last few days, I've been kind of

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Speaker 2: clearing out my computer, trying to organize where I've got

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Speaker 2: things on my computer. I had documents and files all

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Speaker 2: into different folders. So I found a folder I had

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Speaker 2: actually cut a video or had a video of the

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Speaker 2: Eagles essentially their answer to the tush push defense. And

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Speaker 2: it was awesome. They ran this against the Giants and

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Speaker 2: they came up in tush pushed formation and Hurtz took

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Speaker 2: the snap and instead of going forward, well the Giants

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Speaker 2: at the time was Miles Sanders.

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Speaker 1: He took it.

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Speaker 2: He's got all kinds of he makes like a thirty

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Speaker 2: yard game. I think the Eagles, the Eagles can make

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Speaker 2: mock reason the right word, that's not what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: They can make They could do whatever they want with

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Speaker 2: this thing. Honestly, the fact that they get to keep

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Speaker 2: it and they get to do it, it's just it's

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Speaker 2: I mean, and you know it's coming during a game.

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Speaker 2: It's demoralizing. Yeah, like, hey, we need to get a

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Speaker 2: yard and you know exactly what we're gonna do. We're

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Speaker 2: still gonna get the yard on you. It's demoralizing. So

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Speaker 2: the tush push lives, as does aiding a runner, like

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Speaker 2: pushing a runner forward.

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Speaker 1: The rule that was.

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Speaker 2: Put in place in two thousand and five and been

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Speaker 2: in the NFL for a long time about you couldn't

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Speaker 2: aid or push a runner. You couldn't And I just

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Speaker 2: remember that growing up like that was one of the

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Speaker 2: things that kind of beat in our heads, like you

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Speaker 2: can't push a runner. You can't try and push them

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Speaker 2: first down.

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Speaker 1: But No. Five, they changed the rule. Not really sure why.

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Speaker 2: I guess it was kind of hard to officiate, so

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Speaker 2: they it took that rule out. I think that's what

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Speaker 2: the Packers when they went back and they revised the

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Speaker 2: rule or the NFL asking the Packers to do it,

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Speaker 2: the Packers just basically said, you can't aid and to

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Speaker 1: And I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that, But I was okay with

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Speaker 2: the tush push staying as it was, and that was

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Speaker 2: just such a big talking point. So the tush push

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Speaker 2: is still on. Here's the other one, Mark and I.

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Speaker 2: Even though this rule proposal would have hurt the Texans

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Speaker 2: not only last year, but maybe other years as well,

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think in twenty twenty three as well.

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Speaker 2: The playoff seeding situation where all four division teams get

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Speaker 2: a home game. Now, the proposal was that we're going

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Speaker 2: to let the records determine the seeding and then play

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Speaker 2: the seedings out as they are. I thought that actually

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Speaker 2: had a better chance of passing than the tush push band.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna I thought that was gonna fly.

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Speaker 2: And we're the team that gets brought up the most

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Speaker 1: About why that should be overturned.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting it, and I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: all right, we would have beaten them in LA last year.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, who cares we would have beaten them there, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. We're going on a road. Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win playoff games on the road, So you

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Speaker 2: just gotta win one on the road to start. Look,

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Speaker 2: I know how awesome and electric are playoff games are here.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win on the road. So you got on

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Speaker 2: a good on the road. So what you're in a dance?

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Speaker 2: Just dance in somebody else's house. That didn't even make

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Speaker 2: it to the vote this morning, right, it didn't even

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Speaker 2: get to the vote. The Lions pulled the proposal when

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Speaker 2: they basically saw it wasn't it didn't sound like it

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Speaker 4: It's like a presidential candidate pulling out of the race

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Speaker 4: when they know they have no shots. Yes, so why

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Speaker 4: bother running, why bother getting on the ticket when you

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Speaker 4: know you're not gonna to win it. Let me tell

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Speaker 4: you how many times this would have affected the Texans. Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's go back. Okay, let's go back. Let's go back

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Speaker 4: to the playoff appearances twenty eleven. Twenty eleven, the Texans

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Speaker 4: go ten and six. They hosted the Cincinnati Bengals, who

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Speaker 4: were nine and seven at the time, so that all.

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Speaker 1: Would have worked. That would have worked out.

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Speaker 4: Right, Let's go to twenty twelve, where they were twelve

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Speaker 4: and fours. Right, twelve, I don't think I would have

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Speaker 4: look at this that would have stayed. So the Broncos

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Speaker 4: had thirteen, the Patriots had twelve. The Patriots were actually

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Speaker 4: the two seeds. They were the one knocked the Texans

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Speaker 4: out twenty fifteen. It definitely would have affected the Texans

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Speaker 4: because they won the division at nine and seven, hosted

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Speaker 4: the eleven and five Chiefs who played like an eleven

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Speaker 4: and five team and smashing the Texans thirty to nothing.

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Speaker 2: So would we So who was so? Now here's what's interesting,

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Speaker 2: who's the sixth seed? Because if the sixth seed was tenants? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: who's the sixth seed?

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to twenty fifteen because I was already

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Speaker 1: moving on.

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Speaker 2: Because the sixth seed would have been if that six

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Speaker 1: To we would go to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: God were the three seed. God, dang it, three seed.

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Speaker 2: And do you remember who knocked us out? Nick Foles

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Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this, what would happen under

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Speaker 1: It still kind of sucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when you're when it doesn't solve all

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Speaker 1: This is my theory.

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Speaker 4: The owners want that division to mean more than just

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Speaker 2: Watch the Texans not win a division but still get in.

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Speaker 2: Like somebody goes eighte nuts and goes thirteen to four.

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Speaker 2: Now what and the Texan's still get a home game,

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Speaker 2: talking about alternate playoff histories. Twenty fifteen would have been different.

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Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, we would have gone to Pittsburgh. We played

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Speaker 1: At eleven and five, we end up nine to seven.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that would have stopped the invitation. That would have

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Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, however, the rules didn't even get to

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Speaker 2: Playoff seeding will remain the exact same. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: Look, just win the division this year, at the very

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Speaker 4: But I want more. Now, want more. Let's go get more.

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Speaker 4: But it's a very tough road. Okay, you want more?

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Speaker 2: HBO's Hard Knocks has its team and division.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the division is during the season.

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Speaker 1: A different story.

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Speaker 2: The training camp hard Knocks will be the Buffalo Bills, who.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had a hard Knocks. I

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Speaker 4: Numerous teams I believe, who have never had hard knocks,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it only existed.

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Speaker 4: McDermott will not be popular. He's not like no O'Brien

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Speaker 2: I kind of hope, My hope is what comes out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that's that's.

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Speaker 4: What he's had to flip through this coordinators roster overhaul

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Speaker 1: This is going to be huge. Nothing.

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Speaker 4: This is brilliant because the NFC East, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: This is Hugre's one division that had more primetime games

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Speaker 4: Now that Washington is good again, that will automatically make

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Speaker 1: Everything.

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Speaker 2: You've got Tinny Champs, Sakwan Barkley, You've got all kinds

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interest. They know. This was the sales pitch

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Speaker 4: It's going to be the head coach talking to the team,

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: They do in season hard knocks.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach, I really do. I

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Speaker 4: I think personnel has a lot to do with what

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Speaker 2: One other thing that the NFL did, and I want

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Speaker 2: NFL offensive linemen. When they discussed this, Troy Vincton, vice

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Speaker 2: president of Football Operator Executive vice President of Football Operations,

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Speaker 2: announced that the announcedident of League Meetings Protective Year Award

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Speaker 2: this year. As he discussed, he mentioned some guys are

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Speaker 2: already apparently going to be involved. Will Shields, Andrew Whitworth,

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Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey, and the Charles Bentley as retired players will

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Speaker 2: be part of the selection process. Now, it doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: as if that's all of them, might be the only ones,

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Speaker 2: but Vincent said that Bill's left tackle Dan Dawkins got

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Speaker 2: the ball rolling, he said during an interview back in

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Speaker 2: the spring. Earlier in the spring, he talked about this like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we need to have we got it for everything else,

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Speaker 2: why not for offensive lineman? About it being about a

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Speaker 2: bang the NFL is putting in the Protector of the

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Speaker 2: Year award. So I'm gonna ask one question related to this,

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Speaker 2: if a Texan were to win that Protector of the

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Speaker 2: Year award this year.

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Speaker 4: This year, what's the team result? What's oh really? What

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Speaker 4: what is the record?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go eleven and five six, I mean eleven

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Speaker 4: and six. I'll get used to it at some point.

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Speaker 4: Eleven we have a guy that wins that award. That

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Speaker 4: means the offensive line is kicking. I think it's twelve

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Speaker 4: thirteen wins.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that.

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Speaker 4: But I'm then we don't have to worry being for

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Speaker 4: conservative here my estimate it's a goods the winner. But

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Speaker 4: who's to pick your winner right now? Oh, I've got

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Speaker 4: throughout the league. No, for the Texans, it's our Yeah,

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Speaker 4: me too, Titus.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 4: And I think Titus. I think Titus playing at that level.

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Speaker 4: I don't like the name of the award. I don't

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Speaker 4: like the Protector. They're gonna come up with something. They're

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Speaker 4: gonna name it after somebody. It's gonna be like I

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Speaker 4: don't like to say it's the Protector. It should be

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Speaker 4: more than a Protector. Yeah, it could be the pusher,

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Speaker 4: the bowling people over, the pancake maker.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. We need another name.

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Speaker 4: We need because workshop that well, look, we had a

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Speaker 4: left tackle here, who's a hell of a protector, right,

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Speaker 4: but you need even more to be a great offensive.

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Speaker 2: Like it should be the Jason Kelcey Award for the

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Speaker 2: top offensive linean n.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it should be. Ye.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying Jason Kelcey, but I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: it should be named after a great offensive lineman, like

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Speaker 2: the Jerry Kramer Award for I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Wait, college has the Ted Hendricks Award for the defensive end.

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Speaker 1: Yep. They have Dave Remington for center. Do they have

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Speaker 1: a defensive tackle? They must know Steven's tackles.

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Speaker 4: We've got the Lombardi for like guys around the line

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Speaker 4: of scrimmage sort of close near by. It's always hard

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Speaker 4: to describe, especially.

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Speaker 1: When the award.

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Speaker 2: They're like, who can win this? Well, brock Bauers can

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Speaker 2: yep for it just as much as that three hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy five pound nose guard. I'm like, it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting award. Interesting when you can do that. And they

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Speaker 2: had those years where Joe Burrow won it or you know,

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Speaker 2: we will talk about we will talk about those exactly.

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Speaker 4: We want to talk about those years at all, right,

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Speaker 4: but we will talk about is Drew and I doing

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Speaker 4: inn in the Lab.

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Speaker 2: In the Lab, You'll know what I'm talking about. We

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Speaker 2: get back right here on Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: What's happing, everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to this Wednesday issue of Texans All Access

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Speaker 2: from the Hunday Texans Radio studio. I'm John Harris Football,

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Speaker 2: I a Sadeline reporter in one half of the in

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Speaker 2: the Lab podcast along with my man Drew Doherty. This

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Speaker 2: is a true in the Lab, we dork out, We

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Speaker 2: nerd out on redrafts. This one takes us back a bit,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of butterfly effect with this one.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what we had to say here

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Speaker 1: on in the Lab.

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Speaker 5: John, We've got an in the lab in the Lab

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Speaker 5: today because this is it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it.

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Speaker 5: You John Harris, me, Drew Doherty and you watching listening.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, the three of us together here now in

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Speaker 5: the lab in the Lab. What's that mean? Well, we

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Speaker 5: dork out here sometimes in the lab when they started

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Speaker 5: back in twenty eighteen, we kind of wanted to dig

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Speaker 5: deeper and do some fun things and nerd out in

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Speaker 5: a sense. So we've redrafted the twenty eleven draft for

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Speaker 5: the Texans. We've redrafted the two thousand and ten draft

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Speaker 5: for the Texans. You know, we've done things like that.

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Speaker 5: We've we've said, okay, you get to pick two Houston

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Speaker 5: Oilers all time and put them on the two thousand

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Speaker 5: and nineteen Houston We did that, So that's what we're after.

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Speaker 5: We do mock draft simulations about three or four times

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Speaker 5: a draft season. So with that in mind, right in

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Speaker 5: our wheelhouse, coming down Broadway, you gotta swing. If this

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Speaker 5: is there, you're not taking this one. We are hammering

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Speaker 5: away at this and hitting a triple to the gap.

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Speaker 5: PFF recently, they've been doing a lot of things here

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Speaker 5: this offseason, but recently they had a redraft for the

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Speaker 5: entire NFL right of two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: John, Yeah, they're starting each year moving forward, and they

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Speaker 4: went back I think they went back to two thousand

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Speaker 4: and six because that was the first year I believe

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Speaker 4: with PFF. So that's where that's where they went back

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Speaker 4: and started, uh in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: And they're doing a year every.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, every week or so it seems, and

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Speaker 4: they're gonna do it probably up until the season.

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Speaker 1: But you you hit it.

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Speaker 4: Like are in the like ore in the lab like

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Speaker 4: love and genesis comes out of like doing redrafts and.

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Speaker 1: Looking back and butterfly effects and things like that.

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Speaker 5: The what ifs, yeah, the what ifs yeah, and you

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Speaker 5: roll it right out of what if. That's all right,

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Speaker 5: move on, do something else. But we're gonna what if

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Speaker 5: what ifs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So two thousand and six to reset. We got to

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Speaker 5: give this twenty twenty three draft a few more years

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Speaker 5: before we can crown it. But two thousand and six

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Speaker 5: draft is generally regarded as the best in team history.

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Speaker 3: Nine pretty darn good.

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Speaker 5: Two twenty eleven you get JJ Watt, two thousand and

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Speaker 5: three you get dre But on the whole top to bottom,

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Speaker 5: it's tough.

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Speaker 3: To argue about six.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the first overall pick, you surprised everyone by taking

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Speaker 5: Mario Williams. He was a pro bowler here. He had

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Speaker 5: one hundred sacks in his career, a great player. Your

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Speaker 5: second rounder is now down the hall. He's your head coach,

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Speaker 5: but he's one of the greatest leaders in franchise history.

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Speaker 5: He was the defensive rookie of the year. It was

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Speaker 5: Demiko Ryans, linebacker played here through twenty eleven and was

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Speaker 5: awesome in the third round, You've got Charles Spencer, Eric Winston.

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Speaker 5: You got a couple of great tackles. Spencer got hurt.

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Speaker 5: It's too bad. He was promising. Yeah, block that for

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Speaker 5: what we're getting to. Eric Winston was phenomenal for you.

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Speaker 5: He started here for four or five years. He was excellent,

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Speaker 5: part of the best defensive line in team history. And

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Speaker 5: then in the fourth got the greatest tight end in

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Speaker 5: franchise history and Owen Daniels. And then after that we

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Speaker 5: got David Anderson in there, he's a wide receiver. Later

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Speaker 5: in the seventh, Wally Lundy was in there. I think

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Speaker 5: he was the one.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the only other one that we that

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Speaker 4: we needed to mention was Wally Lundy.

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Speaker 1: I think you hit all You hit the high point, hit.

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Speaker 3: The high points.

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Speaker 5: While yeah, well you got a fine player here, did

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Speaker 5: some some solid things. It's not as notable as some

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Speaker 5: of those others, but yeah, yeah, od in their great draft, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Tremendous draft.

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Speaker 2: However, if PFF had had its way back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six, life in Houston would be all kinds

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Speaker 2: of different, crazy different, like crazy, I'm talking current day,

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Speaker 2: current team crazy different.

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Speaker 5: And they just did the first round right, they just

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Speaker 5: did the first round. Yeah, that complicates things.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 2: They just did the first round, so they didn't go

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Speaker 2: any further, but they did thirty two picks. The last

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Speaker 2: two picks of the round show you, you know what

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Speaker 2: an exact science this ends up being. Because the last

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Speaker 2: two picks of a round, picks thirty one and thirty two,

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Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks drafted. They redrafted Brent Grimes from Shippen's who

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Speaker 2: was undrafted, so they drafted a corner. They drafted Kelly

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Speaker 2: Jennings from out of Miami, and he was okay, but

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Speaker 2: Brent Grimes was really really good. And the last pick

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Speaker 2: of the round was the guy that I really loved

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Speaker 2: was Tremont Williams, cornerback to the Pittsburgh Steelers. So the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers had won the five season Super Bowl, were

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Speaker 2: going to six. So there are a number of things

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the butterfly effect of this whole

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Speaker 2: of just redrafting. So, like you said, Mario Williams is

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Speaker 2: drafted number one, PFF has the Texans redrafting Andrew Whitworth,

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Speaker 2: future Hall of Fame left tackle right PFF had an

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Speaker 2: overall elite ninety three point four PFF grade overall grade

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Speaker 2: across sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Whitworth did it in both Cincinnati and then with the

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Speaker 2: Rams to finish up his career, won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: in twenty one, and then he got into media and

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Speaker 2: he's pretty good. He was an excellent left tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it makes me wonder though there was outrage.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Mario Williams was drafted by the face by the media,

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Speaker 5: and understandably so because he had Reggie Bush and he

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Speaker 5: had Vince Young also available, and I was in the

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Speaker 5: Vince Young camp.

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Speaker 3: I'll admit it would the outrage.

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Speaker 1: Did you put up the sign like Mattress Macda?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I did not.

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Speaker 5: But the outrage if Andrew Whitworth would have been there

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Speaker 5: as well through the roof, would it have been worse

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Speaker 5: than the outrage we saw with Mario Williams, Because hey,

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Speaker 5: what had plagued the Texans at that that time, poor pass.

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Speaker 1: Parteclar David Carr taking a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 5: And still though with the with those two at the

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Speaker 5: top the Reggie Vince debate, They're still going to be

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Speaker 5: outrage over Whitworth. But is it more understandable, like, well, okay,

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Speaker 5: at least they're getting a great tackle outrage versus who

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Speaker 5: is this guy?

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Speaker 3: There would have been who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: Whitworth?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think there's that an there, there's an

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Speaker 2: LSU component, and we know we got a lot of

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Speaker 2: LSU grats, and I think there would have been a

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Speaker 2: lot of thumbs up from Witworth having had a great

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Speaker 2: career at LSU. So I think, yeah, they're a little

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Speaker 2: bit of that. Okay, protection for your quarterback. I think

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Speaker 2: when I think back to two thousand, sixth in a

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Speaker 2: long time ago, but when you think about the thought

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Speaker 2: process in this building, it was we got to beat

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Speaker 2: the Colts.

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Speaker 4: How are we going to beat the Colts? We got

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Speaker 4: to go rush to the quarterback. Okay, well how do

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Speaker 4: you do that? Well you go get this uber athlete

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Speaker 4: in Mario Williams.

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Speaker 2: Now to let you know that Mario Williams wasn't just

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Speaker 2: a complete dud in this redraft.

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: He goes twelfth to the Cleveland Browns.

662
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: So it wasn't as if it was a complete you know,

663
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: he was a complete bust, not at all. I mean

664
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: I think he and Mark and I talked about this

665
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: a little bit last week. Dr Mario's probably we talked

666
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: about this, Travis Johnson, He's like, Mario is probably the

667
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 2: most underrated Texan, but because he was the number one

668
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: overall picks, there was such expectation.

669
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and man like Clowney.

670
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 5: Clowney didn't have anybody that he had to deal with

671
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: as far as Vince and Reggie that popular like him

672
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: in that fourteen draft.

673
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: Now, if you read Johnny Manziel, but everybody kind of

674
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: knew Johnny was a little rough around the edge is

675
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: it was a little different.

676
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: And he was physically he was a smaller guy.

677
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, there were real question legit questions and concerns about

678
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: what he could do in addition all the off field stuff.

679
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: But man, the outrage would have still been there.

680
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 5: With Whitworth and it still would have been fierce, but

681
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: I think, like you're saying, it would have been tempered

682
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: a bit by the LSU component. But Mario Williams after

683
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: he leaves the Texans, he goes on and has multiple

684
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: double digit sack seasons, get it quietly in Buffalo when

685
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: they weren't winning big like they are now. And you know,

686
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: he finishes, like I said, with over one hundred sacks,

687
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 5: and you're that's a good point he was one of

688
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: the most underrated Texans of all time. So here's because

689
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 5: the expectations were so.

690
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: I liked you brought this up.

691
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: So when I saw this, my instant gut reaction was, Okay, well,

692
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight, so

693
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: I was curious to see what PFF would do two

694
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: years from now. But at the time, I was like, well, okay,

695
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: we're not drafting Dwayne. If we had Whitworth that left tackle,

696
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight.

697
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: And I thought what PFF did in two thousand and

698
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: eight was.

699
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting, which we can get to a little bit later,

700
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: but that was my instant reaction. Okay, we're not drafting Dwayne,

701
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: so eight we can do something different. We're not gonna

702
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: trade up and down or whatever we did in that

703
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: draft to go get Dwayne Brown. Whitworth's gonna be the guy,

704
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be the guy going forward. When I

705
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: told you that it was Andrew Whitworth the tackle at

706
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: number one, was your instant reaction?

707
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Man?

708
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: What would the what would the fans have thought about that?

709
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: What was your instant reaction to hear and Andrew Whitworth

710
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: at number one.

711
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: With all the hindsight, I was like, that's cool, yeah,

712
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 5: you know whatever, but yeah, they would have lost.

713
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: I lost it.

714
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 5: In two thousand and six, I was out Lubbock, Texas, Yeah,

715
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: and I was getting ready. I can't remember what I

716
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: was getting ready to do, but I heard that the Texans.

717
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: Because it was Friday night, they signed him to time

718
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 5: Mario and.

719
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Im yes, I know exactly where I was too was happening.

720
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 5: And now team Vince Young. I had seen all the heroics.

721
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 5: I thought he was Vince Young as a college quarterback.

722
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 5: I thought he was Michael Jordan as a college quarterback,

723
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 5: and he was gonna come home and do all these

724
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 5: awesome things.

725
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: And I swore off the Houston Texans.

726
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 5: Friday night and Saturday, I was up at the United

727
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 5: Spirit Arena in Lubbock, Texas's where they play their basketball games.

728
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 5: It's probably called something different now, yeah, but they had

729
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 5: a studio down there in a control room, and I

730
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 5: was having to voice something for the Baseball Coaches Show,

731
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 5: the Larry Hayes Show that I hosted, and I just

732
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 5: seen Demiko Ryans and Alabama beat that really good Texas

733
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 5: Tech football team, Cotton Bowl. They only got him by

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 5: a field goal that fluttered through the left up right

735
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 5: and Demiko I'd interviewed him days before the game in

736
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 5: the ballroom at one of those.

737
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Hotels, and Demiko was super smart.

738
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 5: He was the SEC defensive player of the year, and

739
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 5: he reiterated a few times, He's like, we don't need

740
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: to blitz this team because we think we can win

741
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 5: with our front four, So we're not gonna have to blitz.

742
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: We're not gonna have to blitz. We won't blitz him.

743
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: I'm standing on looking down the line of scrimmage on

744
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 5: game day and the entire game, and what does Demiko

745
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 5: Ryans do. He blitzes a couple of times, and he

746
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 5: looked like he had been shot out of a cannon.

747
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: Saw lots of games that year. I saw Tech play

748
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 5: against play at Texas and they hung tight with him

749
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 5: for about a quarter, but then the eventual national champions

750
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: out ran him and out boat.

751
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: They both raced him.

752
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: I never saw anybody like Demiko Ryans though, playing linebacker

753
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: that way, and so I was very very impressed. But

754
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 5: then I just forgot So the Texans Friday night they

755
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: sign Mario. They make it formal by drafting him and

756
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 5: I'm just grumbling. The second round is on Saturday, number

757
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 5: thirty three on Saturday, second round and they take Demico

758
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: Ryans and I look up at the screen and I'm.

759
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: Like, all right, I actually liked that. I think I'm

760
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: gonna get that.

761
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give the Texans one more chance, and hey,

762
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 5: how great is have things turned out?

763
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

764
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: Well, if it had gone the way that PFF called it,

765
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: you might not have thought that drew because, like you said,

766
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: Demiko was pick number thirty three, the first pick of

767
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: the second round.

768
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: This redraft, he goes at pick number eighteen.

769
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: Probably where he should have been ritten, right, you know, right,

770
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: because there were there was talk then well he fell.

771
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: The Texans were lucky to get him.

772
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: Do you know who had pick number eighteen? Who's at

773
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys.

774
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, imagine what life is like if Demico

775
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: Ryans had gone to the Dallas Cowboys their plays there,

776
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 4: ends up being the head coach for the Cowboys.

777
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 5: He would have been talked about like Chuck Halle and

778
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: Leroy Jordan something great linebacker race yep of the of

779
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 5: the Cowboys past.

780
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: You know, I thought it was interesting also in this

781
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: six draft. When I when I told Mark that, I

782
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: mean he about vomited on air.

783
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: But Demico Ryance to the Dallas Cowboys in this redraft,

784
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: I mean, just seeing it just makes my blood boil,

785
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: just thinking that he would have been part of the Cowboys.

786
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: But what's interesting also in this draft was former Texans

787
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: that end up in this draft that weren't taken at

788
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: particular spots.

789
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: So I mentioned Dimico goes at eighteen.

790
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: A few picks prior to that, well, I mentioned Mario

791
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: goes number twelve to the Cleveland Browns, which, boy, Mario

792
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: and Cleveland would have been.

793
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: It would have been interesting at pick number sixteen.

794
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: And ironic because the original pick here is another former Texan.

795
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: The Miami Dolphins in the redraft select Jonathan Joseph from

796
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: out of South Carolina, and the original pick of the

797
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: Dolphins was cornerback Jason Allen out of Tennessee.

798
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: Jo were teammates.

799
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yeah.

800
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: Uh.

801
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: Dimico goes eighteen at number twenty, the Kansas City Chiefs

802
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: originally drafted tom Ba Lee, but Ali has come off

803
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: the board already, so now they've got to go.

804
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because they talk about the fact that

805
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: Willie Rofe retired after the NFL Draft.

806
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: Who's a tackle and so they would have needed more

807
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: tackles and they take one in the redraft. Eric Winston

808
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: from University of Miami goes number twenty one, pick before

809
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots draft wide receiver kick returner Devin Hester from Miami. Yeah,

810
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: he would have been a good pace. How would life

811
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: have been different if he's with the Patriots. So the

812
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: Texans have three draft pick go in the first round

813
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: in this redraft.

814
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: We're not done at pick number twenty six.

815
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: Now this guy ends up being redrafted to the team

816
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: that actually drafted him.

817
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: They're just doing it one round earlier.

818
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: But he ended up becoming a Texan along with Jonathan

819
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: Joseph in twenty eleven.

820
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: That free agent class from Abilene.

821
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Christian safety Danielle Manning goes number twenty six in this

822
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: redraft from two thousand and six. Wow, so number number

823
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: of Texans former Texans ended up going. But Andrew Leedworth

824
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: goes at number one to the Texans.

825
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: So he's won.

826
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: Ultimately, three from the six Texans draft class wound up

827
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 5: being redrafted as ys.

828
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: Mario Demiko and Mario Demiko and uh Winston Mario, Demiko, Winston.

829
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: And No.

830
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: One Daniels, No One Daniels No.

831
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: In fact, I remember correctly, I don't remember seeing a

832
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: tight end drafted or redrafted in this entire first take

833
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: it back. Vernon Davis went to the Denver Broncos at fifteen.

834
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: He was one, but I don't remember. That's why I

835
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: didn't remember many others.

836
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a bunch of other tackles, safety, safety, safety,

837
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: running back. This would have been much better. Well, he

838
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: ended up going to the same team. Race Jones Drew

839
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: went to the Jaguars at pick number twenty eight. He

840
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: ended up going to the Jaguars. So it's a good pick.

841
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: They just did it around earlier. So uh, definitely fun

842
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: to look back at two thousand and six because I

843
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: think that's a and it I think for a couple

844
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: of reasons, because it's that draft that has thought been

845
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: thought to have been one of the best in team history.

846
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: But if you tweak it, just even a little bit

847
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: with Andrew Whitworth, it has a massive butterfly effect. Maybe

848
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: not even you know, through the rest of that draft.

849
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: Do you take X first year in Houston, do you

850
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: take Winston, Do you take Winston or do you take neither?

851
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do? You focus under position?

852
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: When they did the two thousand and seven redraft, when

853
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: they drafted Movie ky a number ten, they ended up

854
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: drafting redrafting Reggie Nelson, who played safety.

855
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: And Reggie Nelson was a fine, solid player. I followed

856
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: him because he's at the University of Florida.

857
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: I thought he's a really good zone player, and I

858
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: think he would have been a good good player for

859
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: the Texans, and the Texans had not had a good

860
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: history of safeties other than maybe Marcus Coleman at that point.

861
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when Danielle Manning got here,

862
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: you could argue he was instantly one of the best

863
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 5: they've ever had in the building. I think Glover wound up,

864
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: you know, making an argument for that, and I think

865
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 5: we got some guys now that are gonna make an

866
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 5: argument that's right, yep. But yeah, that's that's wild. I mean,

867
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: that's the butterfly effect. And I was explaining this to

868
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 5: my children in the car the other day. But yeah,

869
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: what changes with that? I mean, just in that one

870
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: draft alone is massive?

871
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, massive? Yeah, I mean, no Dwayne Brown, so you

872
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: go with Whitworth. So in eight.

873
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: So in eight when they did their p when PFF

874
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: did the redraft, they had us drafting a guard, Carl Nicks,

875
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: who is one of the better guards there's been in

876
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: the NFL, but injuries sort of short, you know, heurtailed

877
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: his career.

878
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: Huh.

879
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: But if you had Nix and Whitworth on the offensive line,

880
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Speaker 2: whether you take Winston or not, and O six, let's

881
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: say you do take Winston, you got a line with

882
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: Whitworth and uh Winston that you tackles Carl Nix at guard.

883
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: There are some things that you probably you know, you

884
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: probably don't have to draft Bubb Caldwell, you know, who

885
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: had kind of a you know, up and down the

886
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Speaker 2: short career here in Houston.

887
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Speaker 4: Maybe you can focus somewhere else. And of course we

888
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 4: talked about this all the time we do our redrafts.

889
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: Are like, okay, yeah, we're doing it with hindsight.

890
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: It's always good when you could look back at a

892
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: draft and go, man, this was great in the moment

893
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: and ten years down the road, but a draft never

894
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: looks as good as you wanted to.

895
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: That's why it's always fun to do these redrafts. But

896
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Speaker 1: I think it does bring up Why didn't they do that?

897
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Why did they?

898
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Andrew Orth wasn't going number one, It wasn't in fact

899
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: going to second round. But when you look back on hindsight,

900
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense that he would have

901
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: been a pick considering, like you said, Drew, how much

902
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: the Texans struggled with protecting.

903
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: The quarterback totally totally, and then in O eight, like

904
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 5: you talk about, they go with Nicks. The guard makes

905
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: things interesting. So you have a good offensive line in

906
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 5: theory just by those two guys alone, because you've you've

907
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: really bolstered things they're making. Maybe you're making things easier

908
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 5: for Shaw, but really are you Because what we saw

909
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 5: in eleven and for ten like that, that unit, those

910
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: are the two Those are the gold standards here in

911
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: Texans history as far as that's offensive lines, that's what

912
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: you're able to do.

913
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: Man, I love things like this.

914
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight redraft by PFF, the first

916
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: pick is Matt Ryan goes to Miami Dolphins.

917
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: This is a huge butterfly effect. He goes down to Miami.

918
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: Number two pick was a guy who won second round

919
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: to Saint Louis Rams.

920
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: They took Chris Long. He ends up going in this draft.

921
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: At some point he had a really good career, but

922
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: they go with Klays Campbell Saint Louis Rams at number three.

923
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons who went with Matt Ryan draft in

924
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: this redraft Dwayne Brown at number three overall in the

925
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight drafts.

926
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.

927
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: I would have never had my big draft moment if

928
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: that would have gone down this way. But it is

929
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: kind of interesting to look back at this. The number

930
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: four pick in two thousand and eight redraft was the

931
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: Oakland Raiders. They take a gun slinger by the name

932
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: of Joe Flacco, Joe Fleck. Joe Flacco in Oakland. Man,

933
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about that. Joe Flacco

934
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: in Oakland. That would have been kind of wild. Well,

935
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Speaker 2: it's a wild day at the owners meetings. Let's recap

936
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Speaker 2: it all. Go ride in the NFL. Next right here

937
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Speaker 2: we Texans All Access. All right, we got one final

938
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Speaker 2: segment this edition to Texans All Access from the Texans

939
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Speaker 2: A Radio studio. I am your host, John Harris, football analyst,

940
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: sideline reporter for your Houston, Texas.

941
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Speaker 1: Okay, owners meetings going on in Minneapolis.

942
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: A lot A lot was decided today. Let's run down

943
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: them so you're aware. The Tush push lives. The ban

944
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: dies twenty two to ten. They didn't get the twenty

945
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: four votes. Apparently Jason Kelsey was brought into the building.

946
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Speaker 2: Seth Wickersham has an article about what it was like

947
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: in the room when Kelsey went in there. Jeffrey Luriy

948
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: ordered the Eagles. What he had to say must have

949
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: probably changed a few votes. Because the Eagles got what

950
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: they wanted. NFL did not. The Tush push lives on,

951
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: at least for another year. The playoff proposal of dropping

952
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: the division winners just ranking them in order of record,

953
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: that also actually didn't fail. It never got to the

954
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: vote stage this morning. It was pulled out of there

955
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: by the Lions. They decided, no, not gonna do this,

956
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: and it looked like they weren't going to get the

957
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: votes anyways. So yeah, as Mark said, it's kind of

958
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: like a president candidate, presidential candidate who has like early

959
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: buzz and then all of a sudden knows he's not

960
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: going to get the votes or she and now I'm out.

961
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm out before you get beat.

962
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: So I kind of get that so toush push lives,

963
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: current postseason ranking, seating, et cetera.

964
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: It lives.

965
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, market had a good time in the first

966
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: segment talking about what would have happened if that rule

967
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: had been followed and okayed many years ago. How would

968
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: that impact the Texans playoff seatings. If you didn't hear that,

969
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: go back and listen to that from earlier in the show.

970
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks features the Bills in training camp the NFC East.

971
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: During the season, there will be a Protector of the

972
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: Year award. Committee will include former NFL offensive line alumni.

973
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: That is going to be pretty cool.

974
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Yesterday, the NFL prove participation of players in the twenty

975
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: eight Olympics for flag football.

976
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Speaker 1: Today, on side kick moved back is proved.

977
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: To move it back a yard, so from the thirty

978
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: four into the thirty five, but leaving the receiving team

979
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 2: where it is. Maybe that one yard difference is enough

980
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: to give the receiving team a little bit more of

981
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: a chance, a little bit more hope on the outside kick.

982
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: We had Frank Ross who joined us yesterday to talk

983
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: about that. Go check out coach Ross cuts by the

984
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Speaker 2: way Coach ross cuts dot Com And given any way

985
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Speaker 2: that you possibly can to the event that he's got

986
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Speaker 2: June six, that's gonna be incredible. But Coach rosscuts dot Comic,

987
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Speaker 2: sure you go check that out. And I'm gonna check

988
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Speaker 2: out because that's the end of.

989
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Speaker 1: The show right here.

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Speaker 2: We got Area forty five. That's gonna take you for

991
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Speaker 2: the rest of the evening. But I appreciate Mark for

992
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: being here for you guys. As always, to Drew, my

993
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: main man, let's see tomorrow and as always, go Texans.