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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week fourteen episode of The Giants hang Out,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Krestron. I'm Madeline Burke, joined as

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Speaker 1: always by Russ Salzburg and Matt Sietek and guys. Giant

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Speaker 1: season obviously has not gone the way that they would

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Speaker 1: have hoped going into the year. A big news coming

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Speaker 1: out of Week thirteen, of course, Dexter Lawrence Theo Johnson

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Speaker 1: placed on the season ending. I ar, this is going

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Speaker 1: to change a lot for the way that this team

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Speaker 1: looks in these final five games. But you know, starting

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Speaker 1: with what we saw in this Dallas game, Russ, what

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Speaker 1: are the big takeaways that you want to make the

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Speaker 1: points that you want to make off of that one?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 3: You know, Madeline, to me, you've heard this said before.

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Speaker 3: They just need the Giants just need a win by

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Speaker 3: any means necessary. They need something to feel good about.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody, you hear all the discussion, you want

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Speaker 3: to give something to fans, something to feel good about.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, the players need something to feel good about. That.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's yeah, you hear the old cliche. Okay,

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Speaker 3: now it's time to play for pride, So they have

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Speaker 3: to play for pride. You just mentioned Dexter. You mentioned THEO.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's they've had a beliegued season as it is.

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Speaker 3: Now you're losing, arguably not arguably, you're losing your best

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Speaker 3: defensive player, one of your leaders on the team. So

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Speaker 3: it's it's kind of a culmination to what has gone wrong.

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Speaker 3: So I mean my takeaway, Listen, what happened in the

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Speaker 3: Dallas game. Well, to me, we saw more mistackles, we

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Speaker 3: saw more quarterback sacks, we saw more quarterback hits, we

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Speaker 3: saw more drop passes. We need to see improvement across

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Speaker 3: the board on all of that stuff. You know, that's

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Speaker 3: what we need to see. Really, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: else to say. You just need improvement across the board.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was surprised at some of the things

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Speaker 3: I saw in the Dallas game. You know, the tackling

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Speaker 3: just I scratched my head on it. That has been

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Speaker 3: a problem and it continues to be a problem. You know,

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Speaker 3: they get to the guy, they get to their opponent,

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Speaker 3: they're just not putting the opponent down on the ground.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's tackle football. You got to do better

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Speaker 3: than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, I would say the biggest takeaway, which

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Speaker 2: you know, been a common theme just about all season

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Speaker 2: is the run defense. I mean, the Cowboys ran for

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two yards against the Giants on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Rico Dowdell had the best game of his career. I

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Speaker 2: feel like it's not the first time we've said an

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Speaker 2: opponent opposing running back has had their best game of

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Speaker 2: their career against the Giants this season, But Dawdell ran

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Speaker 2: for one hundred and twelve yards, averaged over five yards

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Speaker 2: of carry, scored a touchdown, had a couple of receptions

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Speaker 2: in the passing game too. Like it's just it's a

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Speaker 2: continuation of what we saw from the Buccaneers game a

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Speaker 2: week before with Bucky Irving and you know, even going

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Speaker 2: to Tuba Hubbard back in the Munich game and earlier

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Speaker 2: in the season. I mean, the run defense has struggled,

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Speaker 2: and part of it is what Russ was just talking

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Speaker 2: about with the misstackles. I mean, the Giants are top

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Speaker 2: ten in the league in mistackles. This season's it's gonna

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Speaker 2: it's tough to slow down opponents rushing games when you're

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Speaker 2: missing tackles and just in not making plays. Now, the

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Speaker 2: one I don't want to highlight anything, you know, too

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Speaker 2: positive on a loss, but I will say the one

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Speaker 2: thing that was nice to see was that this team

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Speaker 2: fought back. I mean, they were down three scores in

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Speaker 2: the second half and they did not They could have

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Speaker 2: just mailed in at that point. Given how the season's going,

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Speaker 2: I will give them credit that they continue to fight.

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Speaker 2: They made it into a one possession game with you know,

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Speaker 2: if they had stopped that last Brandon Cook's reception, they

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Speaker 2: would have gotten the ball back with the chance to

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Speaker 2: tie or win the game. So again not focusing too

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Speaker 2: much on the positives, but considering the team's record and

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Speaker 2: how the season has gone, the fact that they were

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Speaker 2: still there fighting until the very last second, that is

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Speaker 2: good to see. And it shows that the locker room,

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Speaker 2: you know, still together and still trying to win games

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Speaker 2: as a team and you know bite together as Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well it's tough though, seeing like those situations happen so

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Speaker 1: frequently for the Giants. If this had gone differently, if

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Speaker 1: that had gone differently, and to quote an expression that

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Speaker 1: our dear friend and colleague Moni Tumor uses frequently, if

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Speaker 1: ifs and butts were candy and nuts and every day

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Speaker 1: would be Christmas, right like we have so many of

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Speaker 1: those with this team, and I know the frustration is there,

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Speaker 1: but like you said, Matt, the locker room is still

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Speaker 1: sticking together and the adversity goes well beyond just the losses.

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you've got you start the

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Speaker 1: season with five captains, three of them are gone now

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Speaker 1: Bobby Okereke and Casey Krider are the only team captains,

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Speaker 1: the only guys with the Sea on their chest still

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Speaker 1: available for this Giants team. And you know, earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: Keveon Thibodeau talked about this, saying like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's meritocracy in this locker room. The more you produce,

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Speaker 1: the more your voice matters, and the more you know,

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Speaker 1: we need other guys to step up and step in

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Speaker 1: into these leadership roles down the stretch of the season,

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Speaker 1: and with that run defense being such as struggle for

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Speaker 1: this Giants team, losing Dexter Lawrence is going to be

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Speaker 1: even more pivotal. When you look at the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got the Saints coming to town, then you've got

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Speaker 1: the Ravens in a couple of weeks, and Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 1: Mom's already getting in his ear saying I need you

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Speaker 1: to run more. So there's gonna be things that are happening.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Kavon's even talked about, Hey, with Dexter out,

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Speaker 1: teams are going to change the way they approach us now.

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Speaker 1: They're going to change that strategy because they no longer

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Speaker 1: have to double team Dexter Lawrence in the middle. And

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Speaker 1: there's just going to be such a different situation, a

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Speaker 1: different approach for what this defense is seeing moving forward,

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Speaker 1: especially in the run game and area where they've already struggled.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how they adjust.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, that's a fair point. And Matt

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Speaker 3: did bring up an excellent point that they didn't quit

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Speaker 3: in the last game. And I don't expect them to quit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, yeah, they've had bad games and

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Speaker 3: players say or the coaches say, no, it wasn't lack

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Speaker 3: of effort, it was lack of execution. And you know, listen,

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Speaker 3: we're at practice, we see what goes on. We're in

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Speaker 3: that locker room. I know, I repeat myself, but that's

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Speaker 3: a together locker room. They're not a bunch of guys

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Speaker 3: sitting in clicks. You know, just going about their business.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think they're gonna quit. But now the

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Speaker 3: question is you just lost a dexter, you lost THEO.

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Speaker 3: You can only fight so much, you know, you need

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Speaker 3: the guns in the artillery to fight with. That's what

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Speaker 3: you know. They're a little bit of hamstrung right now.

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Speaker 3: And listen, everybody's got to see. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: they're playing for jobs, but there's five games to go.

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Speaker 3: The coaches, the general manager, Dave's, Joe, Shane, they're looking

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Speaker 3: for information right now. Who's going to be part of

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Speaker 3: the solution or who's going to be moved. You know,

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Speaker 3: they got to find those answers out too, and they

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Speaker 3: need they got five games to do it. So it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a very interesting five games coming up.

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Speaker 3: And as you just said, none of the games are

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Speaker 3: a walking Listen, when you only have two wins, no

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Speaker 3: team is a walk in the park for you. But

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Speaker 3: you got some tough teams on the schedule going moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know another thing that they these players, coaches,

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Speaker 2: everyone is going out there and playing for in these

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Speaker 2: last five games is pride. I mean, no player or

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Speaker 2: team in any sport wants to end their season with

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Speaker 2: twelve consecutive losses, which is if the Giants were to

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Speaker 2: lose out, that's what it would be to These guys

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Speaker 2: don't want to be a part of that. They don't

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Speaker 2: want to go down as having the worst record in

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Speaker 2: football this year. They're going out there trying to win

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Speaker 2: football games and break out of this funk. Obviously, the

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Speaker 2: Giants are now eliminated from the playoffs, so they're not

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Speaker 2: playing for a playoff position. But as Russ, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot on the line for a lot

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Speaker 2: of these people playing, you know, for their potential future,

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Speaker 2: whether it's with the Giants with another team, Like you

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Speaker 2: have to put good tape out there if you're a player,

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Speaker 2: regardless of your contract situation. So there's still a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned us. Also, the five upcoming opponents

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Speaker 2: those are tough matchups, and I would say that of

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Speaker 2: one of the more winnable matchups. Of Course, the Giants

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Speaker 2: are probably gonna be, you know, underdogs, and all five

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Speaker 2: this is one of the games on the remaining schedule

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Speaker 2: that is there for the taking. The Giants are gonna

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Speaker 2: have to bring their a game, and you know, with

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Speaker 2: guys like Brian Burns and cave On Thibodeaux who have

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Speaker 2: great level. Here's a chance for them to rise, raise

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Speaker 2: their game and get to that great level to help

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Speaker 2: make up for the production that the Giants are going

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Speaker 2: to be missing with Dexter now gone for the year.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, man once, I will say this about Burns.

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Speaker 3: You know, for a guy who's in his first year,

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Speaker 3: I see him in the locker room, I see him

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Speaker 3: and week out. He's what I call a man's man.

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Speaker 3: He comes to play, he's got the right attitude for

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Speaker 3: a new He hasn't let he's been ticked off with

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Speaker 3: the losses. He's been angry and upset and he's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be. But he's one of those guys that you

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Speaker 3: kind of talk about that doesn't quit and fights to

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Speaker 3: the end. And I mean he's a leader for a

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Speaker 3: first year guy, he's a leader in the first year

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Speaker 3: with the Giants. Well that's what I'm talking about, Yes,

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Speaker 3: first year with the Giants, he is a leader. So

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Speaker 3: you know, I think, yeah, it's you know what that

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Speaker 3: old saying. You hear coaches say all the time, next

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Speaker 3: man up. It's next man up, guys. There ain't no excuses.

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Speaker 1: And also too, we've been around the Giants for many years,

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Speaker 1: varying degrees between the three of us, but you know,

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Speaker 1: watching each year, there have been so many moments in

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Speaker 1: the games and you think, oh, they have no shot,

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Speaker 1: do you know? I mean in this season alone, going

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Speaker 1: that's a game that you would think that the way

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Speaker 1: a tough one, but they pulled it off. Or you know,

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Speaker 1: several years ago at MetLife when you've got the San

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Speaker 1: that team was injured. They had Nick Mullens starting at

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Speaker 1: You know, so things can go both ways. Anytime you're

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Speaker 3: Listen, Listen, you're one hundred percent correct. I mean that's exactly.

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Speaker 3: Go out and again we're repeating it. You know, show

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Speaker 3: some pride, but that's what they gotta do. Listen, you

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Speaker 1: Is that the year I was bored.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if I tell you, Madlin, Matt, this season has

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Speaker 3: You know, as Parcels always said, you are what your

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Speaker 1: And then this Sunday at MetLife, they've got a chance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have two and they're both on the

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to go on the other side of

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Speaker 3: You don't want to get intercepted. That's what they need.

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Speaker 3: They're not strong enough. The Giants on strong enough. We

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Speaker 1: Right and especially too. At this point in the week,

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Speaker 3: Protect the rock by any means necessary and am yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: You know, two hands if you need it, like me

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But but we'll see you

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Speaker 1: Giants Saints Week fourteen. But that's a rap for our

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Speaker 1: Week fourteen Giants Hangout, brought to you by Crestawan with

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Speaker 1: Matt Sytek and Russ Salzburg and Madeline Burke. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time.