1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to massa territory brought to you by 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network and partnered with Nesson. We have 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: a very special guest here today, Sean McCadam of Mass Live. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: My friend, Thank you for coming on today. How you doing, 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Robbie, Thanks for having me. Yeah. Absolutely. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: You know I've had Chris on the show a couple 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: of times. I got to ask you right off the bat. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: One of the more interesting stories for me personally ever 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: since I've been a fan of baseball is how Chris 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: years ago, he was a young man able to dig 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: into the weeds of these MLB front offices and next 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: thing you know, he's like on MLB Network and people 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: are so intrigued with that. You know, what has it 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: been like, you know, seeing that from your point of 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: view working with Chris just over all this time at 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: Mass Live. 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't tell him I said this, but he 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: deserves a lot of credit for the hard work that 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: began a number of years ago when he was still 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: in high school and continued while he was at college. 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: I'm not sure where he went to school. He kind 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: of keeps that under wraps, so it's very much a secret. 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: I like to think North Carolina because he's always round 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: for North Carolina. 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never heard those words come out 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: of his mouth, but look into that. No, but he 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: does deserve a lot of credit for working hard and 28 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: making a lot of contacts and developing sources at a 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: very young age. It's not easy to do. It's not 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: easy to do at any age. But Chris is among 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: the hardest working, you know, most dedicated beat writers anywhere 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: in the country. And you know, I knew of him 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: when he started at mass Live, and then despite our 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: age difference and everything else, we became pretty fast friends 35 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: pretty quickly. And when the opportunity came up to join 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: mass live and sort of be his supervisor and colleague 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: and coworker, it was it was intriguing to me. And 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, we've we've only further, you know, gotten to 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: be good friends through all our work together over the 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 2: last almost three years that that we've been teammates at 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: mass Live. And you know, we we have a good 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: time going back and forth and giving each other a 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: hard time, but we enjoyed the job and enjoy the beat. 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: I think we compliment each other well in terms of 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: our skill set and we push each other. So it's 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: been a good relationship. And I should add Chris Smith too, 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: of course, as part of our coverage. And you know, 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: we're all a little different. We all do some things well, 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: we all might prefer others to do certain part of 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: the job. So between the three of us, we we 51 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: think we give a pretty comprehensive coverage of the team 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: and have a good time doing it. Yeah. 53 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm definitely a d I'm a is it weekly? 54 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but the family run down. Love listening 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: to you guys on there. It's always a good time. 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: But I got to ask you we got some We 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: got some Red Sox to talk about here. They have 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: made a few moves this offseason. You know, there was 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: a there was criticism at some points. You know, you're thinking, 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: are they're ever going to spend money on a free agent? 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: Well they finally did that. They introduced Ranger Suarez here today. 62 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Nice to see a Red Sox player getting the hat, 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: getting the jersey in the press conference setting. You know, 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on is Ranger Suarez coming to 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: the Red Sox here? 66 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little it was a surprise to me, 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: as I think it was to fans and a lot 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: of other people. The Red Sox were famously, until the 69 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: Suarez signing, uh the only team remaining that had not 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: signed a major league free agent, and seemed like they 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: made up for that in a big way in a 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: hurry with the deal for him. It makes them better, obviously, 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: it deepens the rotation. Some people have questioned whether Sunny 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: Gray is really an actual number two starter as part 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: of the mix, but if he's not, I think the 76 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: combination of Suarez and and Gray gives them two established 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: veteran guys that certainly belong in the top half of 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: a rotation and lengthen the rotation and give them some options. 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: You know, I think there's still some work to do. 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: You alluded to not having that right handed bat for 81 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: the infield, whether it be somebody to play second base 82 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: or third base. But there's no question that that rotation 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: now stacks up with just about anybody, whether you want 84 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: to point to Toronto and what they bring back. Plus 85 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: the addition of Dylan Cees, obviously Seattle's got a very 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: strong and deep rotation. I think in time, once they 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: get some injured guys back, the Yankees can claim to 88 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: have one of the better rotations in the league, but 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: the Red Sox both in terms of being a little 90 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: front loaded with now Crochet, Gray and Suarez at the top, 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: the number of young prospects that they've developed who are 92 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: looking to be part of that rotation. If not at 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: the start of the year, then at some point they've 94 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: got a lot of depth too. So you do have 95 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: to give the Red Sox credit for what they've done 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 2: to improve the pitching. Now, I think the question remains 97 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: is what they do with the position players and the 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: everyday players, because there's still a need there. Yeah. 99 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And one thing I find a bit underrated about 100 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: the Ranger Suarez signing was, like you said, the depth. 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: He has a guy, he has been a guy over 102 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: the last few years. He's been dinged up at times. 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: He's averaged right around one hundred and fifty innings or 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: so per year. But what I like about the signing 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: is that you have all this depth here and it 106 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of makes me wonder, you know, if something were 107 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: to happen, well they got some backup for that, or 108 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: maybe they can manage his workload a little bit, maybe 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: be a bit more careful with it. But yeah, Ranger Suarez, 110 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I think for the most part, has gotten good grades 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: across the board. Well, I got to ask you though, 112 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, with the other editions you mentioned Sonny Wilson, 113 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: Contrere's coming in for first base, yaw Ovi EIGHTO, a 114 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: guy that you can see maybe more as a project, 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: a guy with some upside there. What would you give 116 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: the Red Sox offseason so far when it comes to 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: a great up to this. 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: Point, Yeah, given that, I think it's probably an incomplete 119 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: right now because they haven't gotten that right handed infield 120 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: bat that I think they're going to add at some 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: point before opening day, maybe even before the start of 122 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: spring training, I would say right now, it's a solid B. 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: You know. They have improved the rotation significantly. That's a 124 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: big you know. I think if you had told somebody 125 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: at the outset of the off season that the Red 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: Sox were going to bring in, you know, either a 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: number two and a number three or two very good 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: number threes to fill out that rotation and give them 129 00:06:53,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: added depth and provide some versatility and mobility in terms 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: of what else they might do with their staff there. 131 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: To be congratulated for what they've done with the rotation. 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: I think acquiring Wilson Contreras was a good move. He 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: certainly looks like someone who's swing is built for Fenway, 134 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: as someone who typically pulls the ball in the air. 135 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: That usually bodes well for a player playing half his 136 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: games at Fenway. And I think the fact that Contreras 137 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: was as adept as he was at first base and 138 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: his first real season there also is a good sign 139 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: because we're at a I think evolution in the game 140 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: now where it's not just well you can stick anybody 141 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: over at first base and live with it. You want 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: somebody to be able to really contribute there. And obviously, 143 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: as a former catcher, he's got a strong throwing arm 144 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: to be able to make that three six three or 145 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: three six y one double play. Provide a little rain. 146 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: Just improve the infield defense. With all the pitching that 147 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: they've acquired, it won't do them a lot of good 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: unless they upgrade the defense in the infield in particular. 149 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: Despite the error total, I think everyone agrees that that 150 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: the outfield defense is a plus. When you look at 151 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Raphaela and a Bray you winning gold gloves, Duran and 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Roman Anthony, you know you don't worry about the outfield defense. 153 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: But they've got to do something about the infield defense. 154 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Convert more balls and play into outs, record more double plays, 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: show a little more range in athleticism, and Contreras helps 156 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: in that way. So he and the three starters. I 157 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: keep talking about Suarez and Gray, but of course Oviedo, 158 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: who you mentioned, is another. I think that's more of 159 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: a project. Not that he won't be part of the 160 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: rotation on opening day. I believe he will be. But 161 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: they think there's more to unlock there that they love 162 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: the ross stuff. They want to see a little bit 163 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: better vel out of that frame to play up the fastball. 164 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 2: So what they've done is very good, but I think 165 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: there's a key piece missing which stops me from giving 166 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: them an A or an A minus. 167 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I think you'd say 168 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: anywhere from a B minus maybe to a B plus. 169 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: I think somewhere in that range, I would say it's fair. 170 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: But you know we've been mentioning the right handed bat. 171 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: I got to ask you, where were you when all 172 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: of Boston had their hearts broken with Alex Bragman going 173 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: to the Chicago Cubs. 174 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, about to fall asleep on that Saturday night and 175 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: roused from my sleep, and the next twenty four hours 176 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: were kind of crazy. You had a sense that it 177 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: was starting maybe to come to a head and that 178 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: there would be some resolution there. I'd say, you know, 179 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: the Cubs were a little bit of a surprise. Everyone 180 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: had talked about maybe Toronto is a possibility, or you know, 181 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: even Arizona for the allure of staying in spring training 182 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: and staying in Arizona where he now lives year round. 183 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: So the Cubs were a little bit of a surprise. 184 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know, maybe there was a little institutional 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: arrogance on the part of the Red Sox where they 186 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: heard all the things that Pregman said about his year there, 187 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: and there's no question he enjoyed his experience. He liked 188 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: playing at Fenway, he liked playing for a legacy franchise 189 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: as the Red Sox are. He liked the market, the 190 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: fan support, he loved the young players. I think maybe 191 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: they convinced themselves that, well, he's got to go out 192 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: and look around and he'll want a longer commitment than 193 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: we gave him last year. But ultimately he's going to 194 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: come back to us, and maybe they should have been 195 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 2: more aggressive. Maybe the offer should have been better, maybe 196 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 2: they could have tweaked it with that no trade or 197 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: some of the deferrals. But you know, it's a reminder 198 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: that anytime a guy opts out, or anytime a guy 199 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: gets to free agency, you risk losing him if you 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 2: don't compete with the other teams out there. So we'll 201 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: see how that plays out. I don't think that's going 202 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: to be a signing that you can make a determination 203 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: on six months from now or even a year or 204 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: two from now. It's going to be how does Bregman 205 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: hold up for five years? How does he contribute? You 206 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: know that does he age, does his performance decline? Is 207 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: he going to be injury prone? But right now, because 208 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: of his absence, they still have the sizeable hole on 209 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: their roster and they've got to address that. 210 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting with Bregman because you just 211 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: saw Cody Bellinger going back to the Yankees here today. 212 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I thought was gonna happen with Bregman, 213 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Like you know, gets drawn at a little bit, you know, 214 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: other teams making moves, you know, trying to figure out 215 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: their path, you know, but showing interest and but in 216 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: the end, he just goes back to, you know, where 217 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: he was where it was a good fit Bellinger, perfect 218 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 1: fit with the Yankees. I thought it would be the 219 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: same thing, you know. I got to ask you when 220 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: it came to the one of the big hang ups 221 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: with Bregman in the Red Sox, it seemed like the 222 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: no trade clause was a big thing and he wanted 223 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to have that comfort. Catillo even spoke with Bregman at 224 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: one point during the year, you know, and Bregman said 225 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: to him, Hey, you know I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, I 226 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: want to be somewhere where I can, you know, be. 227 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Comfortable finish his career basically, right. Yeah. 228 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: And you know, do you think the Red Sox were 229 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: based off your opinion maybe people you've talked to. Do 230 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: you think they were caught off guard that he ended 231 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: up going to the Cubs because of the no trade 232 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: or do you feel like maybe they had a slight 233 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: bit of a thought in the back of their head thinking, 234 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: all right, well, you know what if he goes, he goes. 235 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: I think there was kind of a disconnect on the trade. 236 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: On the no trade, uh, you know, the Red Sox 237 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: didn't dispute the the length of some of the deferrals. 238 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: They were suggesting pushing some of the payments out decades 239 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: in some cases, and that became somewhat of a sticking point. 240 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: The Red Sox kind of understood that, but the day after, 241 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: when Bregman signed on Saturday and you start talking to 242 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: people around the game and in the organization and everything else, 243 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: there was kind of a well, geez, it was never 244 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: told to us that a no trade was such a 245 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: big deal. So you know, there's always a little he said, 246 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: she said at the end of these things, as teams 247 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: look back, as agents look back, as players look back, 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: excuse me, where did it turn? The Red Sox were 249 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: surprised that in the post mortem that Bregman's side was 250 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: talking about the importance of a no trade, because in 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: their retelling or in their remembrance of it, that wasn't 252 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: stressed as much in the negotiation, and you kind of 253 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: got the feeling that they might have bent at least 254 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: a little bit on that if they knew how significant 255 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: it was. But by that point, of course, what's done was. 256 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that you bring that up, because you know, 257 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, you go back to Raffi Devers. 258 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: I know we've talked about that at nauseum in Red 259 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: Sox Land, but you know, communications seem to be a 260 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: factor in the divorce of Raffi in the Red Sox, 261 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: and you bring that up now and it's like you 262 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of wonder, It's like, well, do you think there 263 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: could be an issue, you know, communication wise within the organization? 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, those are two high profile departures since last June, 265 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: and both have been marked by some communication issues as 266 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: you cite. You know, is that a symbol of a 267 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,479 Speaker 2: larger problem that needs to be addressed. Is it the 268 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: the perception that may or may not be accurate from 269 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: the player's side, that the Red Sox are not good? 270 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't. It's somewhat different in that I 271 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: think Devers was complaining about their communication about Bregman coming 272 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: on board and what that would mean for him. It 273 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: wasn't at the heart of the trade. By then, the 274 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: Red Sox had made the decision that they were going 275 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: to move Devers and there wasn't a lot Devers could 276 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: do about it, So by then the course was kind 277 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: of out of the proverbial barn. But his complaint was 278 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: the Red Sox, you know, completely downplaying all of last winter, 279 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: the speculation that Bregman could end up there, and to 280 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: hear Devers' side tell it, you know, it was always 281 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: kind of discounted and dismissed. Now that's just media speculation. 282 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: You know, we've talked to him, but he's not a priority. 283 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: He's not somebody that you know, we see coming here. 284 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: And if indeed that was true, then they've got to 285 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: answer for that, and they've got an alienated player on 286 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: their hands because of it. And I suspect if they 287 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: had been a little bit more direct and sort of 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: ripped the band aid off earlier in those negotiators over 289 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: the course of the winner, then they would have been 290 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: in better shape. When Bregman did agree and they had to, 291 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: you know, tap DeBras on the shoulder and say, we 292 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: have somebody to play third base. You're not going to 293 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: be there anymore. He felt kind of betrayed by how 294 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: they handled it. Again, we're not in on those conversations. 295 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: Everybody's vantage point, particularly when looking back months later, might 296 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: be a little different. Perspectives could be off. But when 297 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: it happens twice in the span of you know, seven 298 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: or eight months, you start to wonder, you know, is 299 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: there a bigger issue that needs to be addressed. 300 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, That's why I kind of wonder, you know, 301 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: I always try to look at things down the middle. 302 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: But even go back to John Lester, you know, years back, 303 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, they traded him to the A's right, but 304 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: you go back to even before that, there was like 305 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: the low ball offer. Then they ended up moving him, 306 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: and then they tried to get him to come back 307 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: to the Red Sox before he went to the Cubs. 308 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I think John Henry flew out to his rank for 309 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: crying out loud or whatever it was. I don't know. 310 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: Do you feel like over the years of you covering 311 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: the Red Sox, do you think there could be you know, 312 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: maybe something more towards ownership there or I don't know, 313 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: like just an organizational Yeah. 314 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is that the philosophy changes. 315 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: You know, there is the we don't sign pictures over thirty. 316 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: Oh we lost John Lester. Okay, a year later, we're 317 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: going to bring in David Price and make him the 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: highest paid picture in the organization's history, even though he's 319 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: already thirty. You're about to be thirty. So there's I 320 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: think when you send conflicting messages about your philosophy, you know, 321 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: this is what we believe and we're not gonna deviate 322 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: from this. Oh look a shiny bobble over here, because 323 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: we need to make a move and we need to 324 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: make amends with the fan base. Well it we'll forget 325 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: that whole thing about not wanting to sign pictures in 326 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: their thirties. And then Price gets hurt and doesn't perform 327 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: as they so they're back on the Nope, we don't 328 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: give pictures over thirty long term deals. And then here 329 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: we are with the range of Suarrez today. So uh, 330 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: I think. I think if they're guilty of anything, it's 331 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: not being consistent with their philosophy and their message, and 332 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: it seems to bend according to outside influence. 333 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's always it's always interesting, you know, 334 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: covering the Red Sox, you know, for a while now, 335 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: like you have, you know, I've been paying attention to 336 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: the Red Sox for you know, I don't know, it 337 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: feels like forever now, But there's always something. There's always 338 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: you know. 339 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: There's always some drama somewhere. 340 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: It's the life is a Red Sox fan. It's I 341 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: always say it like this, someone says, hey, what is 342 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: it like being a Red Sox fan? Things are great 343 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: one day and then two hours later, it's an absolute nightmare. 344 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: It's it's back and forth all the time. I'm the 345 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: one part of my brain always thinks. So they're doing 346 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: this on purpose to for entertainment purposes, like it's like 347 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: a soap opera in Boston. 348 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: It's to give you content, Robbie to talk about. 349 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: It is helping. It definitely helps pay the bills, so 350 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: I'll say that. But moving forward here, you know they've 351 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: made their moves, and like you said, we still need 352 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: a bat. One name that has been getting brought up 353 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: here over the last week or so is escoch Paratus, 354 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: who you could say is a bit blocked with the 355 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: Astros right now. I mean, yeah, they put Jose al 356 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: two Va out in left field last year. They've shown 357 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: they can try and make things work, but we all 358 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: saw how that went. That didn't go very well. You 359 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: got Christian Walker there at first base. Estoc Paratus as 360 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: of right now, is projected to be at DH if 361 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: jord On Avarez plays left field. But with jord On, 362 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean he's had so many injuries. I'm not sure 363 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: if they want to do that. So they're looking at 364 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: a little maybe a player too much over there in Houston. 365 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: That's where you could look at Paratus. You connect him 366 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: to Bragman. A little bit perfect swing for Famiway Park. 367 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: Poll swing can probably give you around maybe twenty five thirty, 368 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more on the home runs. What 369 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on all the Paradus talk as of 370 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: late opinions or maybe something that you've heard. 371 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not heard that anything is close. He obviously 372 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: is one of the few. Let's start with this. There's 373 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: not a lot left on the free agent market. A 374 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: lot of it's been picked over, given that we're coming 375 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: into the last week of January here very soon, and 376 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: not surprisingly, most of the big names are off the board. 377 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: One name that is there is Johannio Suarez, who would 378 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: give them power, lots of it. You know, he could 379 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: easily hit forty at Fenway as a pole power hitter. 380 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: But two big minuses there. One is his defense, which 381 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: is really bad, and there are people that think he 382 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: cannot play third base on a regular basis anymore. Obviously, 383 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: first base is occupied and for now DH's two, so 384 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: you would almost have to play him at third and 385 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: another big you know, demerit is the fact that this 386 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: guy's going to strike out two hundred times and you're 387 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: making it a organization wide goal to put the ball 388 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: in play more and have better contact and cut down 389 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: on the strikeouts. Well, that's not the guy to do it. 390 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 2: So a couple of red flags there, and that is 391 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: the best free agent option that sits out there for them. 392 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: So that tells you a little bit about how their 393 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: options are almost all trade market related. And even then 394 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: you start looking to make a trade for a significant player, 395 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: maybe even give up a significant player to get them. 396 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: Teams don't like to make disruptive moves this late in 397 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 2: spring training. For the most part. A lot of them 398 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: have their payroll set, a lot of them have their 399 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: lineup set, and making a deal this close to the 400 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: start of spring training can be disruptive. Doesn't mean the 401 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: deals don't happen. Of course, we see injuries take place 402 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: in spring training and teams feel forced into making a deal. 403 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: But it does get harder the deeper you get into 404 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: the winner and you look around and ask, well, how 405 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: many other second, basement or third basement right handed hitting 406 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: are there available in a deal, and you know, you 407 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 2: start going through both leagues and examining every team's roster, 408 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: and there the moves they might be able to make. 409 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: And Paradis is a guy that, as you just articulated, 410 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: is a guy that Houston can probably give up and 411 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: not disrupt a whole lot, and they'd like another outfielder. 412 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: To me, I would think about a deal involving Duran 413 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: for him, even though I think you're giving up more 414 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: than you're getting. I would absolutely not do an abray 415 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: You deal that you know. A bray You of course 416 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: has roots in the Astros organization. You know, he came 417 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: over in the Vasquez trade. They would like to have 418 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: him back, and why wouldn't they. He's won two Gold Gloves, 419 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: He's got thirty home run power, maybe more, particularly if 420 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: he learns how to hit lefties better, and he's got 421 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: four years of control left. I don't give that up 422 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: for Esac Paradis. As much as they need somebody to 423 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: play third base or you know, in another in an 424 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: alternate scenario, somebody at second where you put Meyer at third, 425 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: you know they've got to fill one of those two 426 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: and parades to me, just does not strike me as 427 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: a game changer. Is he an upgrade over you know, 428 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: maybe thinking that Rome Gonzalez and David Hamilton might have 429 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: to platoon at second with Meyer at third if you 430 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: don't add anybody, Yes, but is it enough to warrant 431 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: giving up a potential not potential in everyday outfielderer in 432 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: either Durana or bray You I think twice about that. 433 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: So I think the asking price is high right now. 434 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: But if they feel like they have to do something, 435 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: they maybe have painted themselves into a corner where they 436 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 2: end up making one of those deals. 437 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, we've talked a lot about possible you know, 438 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: Paradus trade packages here on Massa Territory, including you know, 439 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: if you if you had Jaron Duran on the table. 440 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I'll just remind all the viewers it would take more 441 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: than Esach Paradus to get Jared Duran. It would take 442 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: Paradus probably another major league piece, maybe two, maybe throwing 443 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: a prospect someone like Kevin Alvarez, I believe, who's number 444 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: five in their system. He's got a lot of upside. 445 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: Bryce Matthews is someone that you know, you know, it 446 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: would definitely take more than Paradis Dan. 447 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: The principles in the deal, and you're still, you know, 448 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: ending up giving away an everyday outfielder for an infielder 449 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: who you would only control for two years and a 450 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: guy who's production will be better than what you have, 451 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: but not markedly better. That's my issue. 452 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, no, I agree. And I was gonna ask 453 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: you too about Duran. You know, what sense do you 454 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: get with the Red Socks Where I will give the 455 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Red Sox credit when it comes to, you know, trading 456 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: in an outfielder even though everyone on the planet knows 457 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: they have four everyday outfielders, they have done a groog job. 458 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: I would say, keeping the leverage high because oh well 459 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: we can you know, do d eight st Duran and Roman. 460 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: We give guys a bit of a rest. I'll ask 461 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: you this, do you think there's any sort of a 462 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: chance that the Red Sox would attack say Jordan Hicks 463 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: or I don't know about Yoshida in this instance, because 464 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't think the Astros would need him, but could 465 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: you see this as a way maybe to unload a 466 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: little bit of salary with say Jordan Hicks, Or do 467 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: you think the Red Sox would like to get the 468 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: full value of Duran. 469 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 2: That's a good question, and it's one that's hard to 470 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: answer in an abstract. You know, I think every deal 471 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: is different. They might say that, no, they're not interested 472 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: in you know, maybe devaluing what Iran could bring you 473 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: by attaching Hicks to it in much the same way 474 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: that attaching price to Mookie Betts probably dragged down his return. 475 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: I think it's obvious they would like to shed that 476 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 2: twelve million that Hicks is going to earn or more accurately, 477 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: be paid in twenty twenty six. I don't know about earn. 478 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: You know, they would like to get out from underneath that. 479 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 2: That was a contingency that the giants insisted on as 480 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: part of the Devers deal. Okay, we'll take all of 481 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: devers remaining money, but you got to take this back 482 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: to help lighten the load a little bit. And the 483 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: Red Sox thought it was more important to get the 484 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: deal done. You know, they liked Kyle Harrison, they thought 485 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: it was worth doing, and so they took Hicks as 486 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: part of it. Now it's their turn to try to, 487 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, stick somebody with that money. 488 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 2: But this might not be the best opportunity to do it. 489 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: You know, maybe you end up being a pretty good 490 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: prospect somewhere and attaching hicks to that and you don't 491 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: get full value back to me where you're trying to, 492 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: you know, fill a specific hole here either at second 493 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: or third base and get equal value for say a 494 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: deal that involves Jaron Duran, you don't want to complicate 495 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 2: it by making the deal more complex and you know, 496 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: getting someone to take salary just to get a deal done. 497 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in the end, you know, if they 498 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: are to come up with a deal, I'm very intrigued 499 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: to see what it would be because I think there's 500 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different pathways between the Astros and the 501 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: Red Sox. You know, you could even connect what you 502 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: and Chris have been talking about with the Red Sox 503 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: looking for catching upgrades. And that's made me wonder, you know, 504 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: like Connor Wong. You know, I'm like thinking, well, he 505 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: got Wong. I know he had some injuries, bad year 506 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: last year, but you know, seem to like him a lot. 507 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: But then you kind of look at the Astros. They 508 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: just lost Keratini, who you know, and now now they 509 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: need a backup catcher. It's like well, maybe Wong could 510 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: be a part of it. You know, he is a 511 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: Houston guy, also Hicks, Texas guy. You know, so many 512 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: different pathways. I find it interesting. Would you say right now, 513 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: would you do you think it's more likely the Red 514 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: Sox probably go to trade route for someone like Paradis 515 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: or Donovan, for maybe on the Cardinals, Brendan Donovan, maybe 516 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: Nico Horner, maybe Matt Shaw Massachusett's native or do you 517 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: think they end up maybe sticking on the road of 518 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: free agency here, maybe spending a little bit more risking 519 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: going over that next CBT for say a Uhineo Squarez. 520 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I put the free agent solution number two here. 521 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: I think it's I think Breslo has articulated that for 522 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: a number of reasons. Some of it may be spending. 523 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: Whereas you know, if you make a trade, you're swapping 524 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: out kind of an equal contract of Duran and parades. 525 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: You're numbers is not going up by much, if at all. 526 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: If you start from scratch and you try to sign 527 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: u Hennio Suarez to two years twenty eight million dollars, 528 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: well there's another fourteen million dollars you're adding with nothing 529 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: to balance that out. And I think there's also a 530 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: feeling that, you know, maybe some pitching might be involved here. 531 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: I think that was more likely when you had the 532 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: makings of a bigger deal, say with Arizona for Katel Marte, 533 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: and that might have required Duran and a young pitcher, 534 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: maybe Duran and totally Duran and early, whatever the combination 535 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: would have been. Now you're starting to really eat into 536 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: your pitching depth. You've already given up guys like Dobbins 537 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: and Fits, and you know down the road, Brandon Clark, 538 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: you've given away, you know, some important part of your 539 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: pitching depth. I know they want to avoid that, but 540 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: I think they also want to avoid, you know, really 541 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: eating into any position depth from the organization, whether it 542 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: be major league or prospect related. So I don't see 543 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: free agency just for the lack of obvious answers out 544 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: there and how late we are and the slim pickings 545 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: left in free agency. But I also think they're going 546 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: to be careful about what they choose to surrender in 547 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: terms of a trade, and I don't think they want 548 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: to do any more pitching involved. 549 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you one last question, 550 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, one more name that we have been hearing 551 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: about is Brian Bayo a little bit? Do you think 552 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: the Red Sox would actually move him? I mean, where 553 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: do you think they stand with him? 554 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they'd have to be, if not overwhelmed, 555 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: then really kind of in the middle of a deal 556 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: that they couldn't pass up. You know, they made a 557 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: big showing of extending Bayo. They did it in his 558 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: home country, the timing of it, when the team was 559 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: there to play some exhibition games there two years ago. 560 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: He's kind of their developmental shining star. Look, we can 561 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: develop our own starting pitching, and you know, there's every 562 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: possibility that both early and totally eventually outshine Bo and 563 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: become better major league starters than he has to date. 564 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: I think Bo's now a pretty good number three. I 565 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: don't know how much more of a ceiling there is there, 566 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: but he was such a part of that narrative that, 567 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: you know, it was almost a sigh of relief that finally, 568 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: after all the guys that they had failed to develop, 569 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: going back to Clay Buckholtz or Lester or however you 570 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: want to, you know, sort of frame that on the 571 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: on the timeline, they finally had a guy that they 572 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: signed internationally. Developed and turned into a good starting pitcher, 573 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: maybe not great, maybe not a number one or even 574 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: number two, but a guy who will take the ball 575 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: thirty something times, give you one hundred and seventy five 576 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: innings and is under control for a number of years 577 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: now thanks to that contract extension. So, as I said, 578 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: I don't think they'd have to be completely blown away 579 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 2: by a trade prospect for Bao, but it had better 580 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: be a pretty good package for them to think about 581 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: giving him up, given all they've invested in him literally 582 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: and metaphorically. 583 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we can all agree that there 584 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: is another move to be made before we get to 585 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: spring training. It feels like he got something left in 586 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: the tank. But Sean, I want to thank you for 587 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: coming on here today. Really do appreciate that. Always a 588 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: privilege to have someone like you come on the show. 589 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to let the master territory viewers know. 590 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: Where can they find you? 591 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: Yep, they can find me at masslive dot com with 592 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: lots of columns and stories throughout the week. They can 593 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: find me on Twitter at Sean Underscore McAdam, and as 594 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: you noted, not to create additional competition for your own pod, 595 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: but We do have the Fenway Rundown, which we do 596 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: a couple of times a week with Chris Catillo. That's 597 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: on your all your available podcast platforms, so we invite 598 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: people to check it out. 599 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: Oh I promise you, I don't look at it as competition. 600 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make friends out here. That's what 601 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: makes this fun at the end of the day. So sorry, Sean, Well, 602 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on here today. Do 603 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Everybody at home, if you can on the 604 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: way out, hit the like button, subscribe if you're new, 605 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you next time.