1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: Hey, bright Side Besties, Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, a no holds barred conversation 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: with fashion mogul and CEO Rachel Zoe. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 3: My purpose is actually to impact every woman, to help 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: every woman have confidence not be scared of fashion. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 4: And later we play a game of trend It or 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 4: trash It y two k edition. It's Tuesday, April sixteenth. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 4: I'm Simone Boyce. 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine. 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 5: Danielle. 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 4: It's Tuesday, and we've got some exciting news about one 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: of my favorite shows. 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: Yes, we're getting a few hints about the newest season 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: of Apple TV's The Morning Show. Late last week, the 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: showrunner announced that they were delaying season four's release until 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty four election, meaning the show would 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: not cover election year politics, so instead it will cover 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: the misinformation crisis and the use of AI and deep 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: fakes in the newsroom, which it all feels very timely. 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: But The Morning Show obviously stars our very own ep 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon alongside Jennifer Aniston, and in the past they've 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: used all real life headlines as storyline inspiration, so you know, 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: they covered the Me Too movement, the follow Roe v. Wade, 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: the January sixth insurrection. Simone, you worked in New York 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: in news, like, do you feel like this is realistic? 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: You know it's funny. I get asked this question all 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: the time, and I do. I honestly do. I feel 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: like a lot of the elements are very realistic, especially 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: when it comes to the politics of the newsroom, the 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: competitiveness between the anchors, the backstabbing that happens. Of course, 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: a lot of it is heightened for our viewing pleasure, 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of truth in this. And also 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: it was based on a book written by a prominent reporter, 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: Brian Stelter, so he was pulling from his own experience 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: and knowledge of the industry. 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 5: So it definitely is rooted in a lot of truth. 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes it was hard for me to watch because it 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: felt so real. I did a morning show in Chicago 40 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: and then did local news, and so many of the 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: plot lines felt dare I say, lowercase te triggering me, 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: Like the way that the anchors interact with the executives, 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: and like you said, the politics behind all of it. 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: The writing is really really good, and honestly, I hate 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: to say it, but that whole first season, which dealt 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: with the me Too movement, also felt really real to me. 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: Like I dealt with a lot of sexual harassment and 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: I never felt like I could say anything because I 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: was so young and so green, and so it was 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: sort of interesting to watch that be reflected on TV. 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: I really resonated with Nicole Bahari's storyline from last season 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: where she was dealing with a lot of racially charged microaggressions. 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: I mean, that stuff is so real, happened all the time, 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 4: and I mean, we can't forget about the pettiness too, 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: But the pettiness is something that I think makes the 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: show so rich and fun to watch. Like news anchors 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: are probably some of the most petty people I've ever 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: encountered in my life. I hate to report that it 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: is very accurate. 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: I know I feel the same way. 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: Okay, we have news from another member of the Hello 62 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Sunshine family, Reese Witherspoon's daughter, Ava Philippi, who if you 63 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: check her out on Instagram, she's like a resident cool 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: girl in my opinion. But she sat down with Today 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: dot Com to talk about the beauty tips that she 66 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: and her mom share. So these are some of her 67 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: favorite products. She starts off with nail Polish, which is 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: ESI's gel Cature long lasting polish. 69 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: She says it's her go to. 70 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: It lasts longer than regular polish, and it comes in 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: great colors, And honestly, I co sign that so hard. 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: That's the one I use. I absolutely love it, and 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: for me, it lasts like two weeks. 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: You know how we are talking about getting bold colors 75 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: on our nails. I think I'm going to go for 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: the Cobalt blue this week. 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: I think I'm going to do it. 78 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: That's very bold. 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 5: I know, I know it's a really bold move. But 80 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 5: we're living, baby. 81 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see that. I'm going to with 82 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: my ballet slipper. But I love that for you, okay. 83 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: In terms of lip gloss, she loves the Summer Friday's 84 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: lip butter bomb that went viral online. I've never tried it, 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: but I personally love a nude lip. Like you won't 86 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: hear me citing a lot about the Kardashians on this show, 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: but I do feel like Kim Kardashian has nailed that 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: nude lip. And I've gotten to work with a few 89 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: celebrity makeup artists and finally found this one. So I 90 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: use the Makeup Forever Coffee lip liner, and then I 91 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: put a little bit of the Charlotte Tilbury pillow Talk 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: liner right in the middle of my bottom lip so 93 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: it almost gives it like an extra pop or a contour. 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: And then I throw the Fenti Gloss Bomb lip gloss 95 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: on it. You can use any lip gloss, though. Do 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: you have a go to lip I do. 97 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: I'm also a nude lip girly. My go to is 98 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 4: this cheapy, cheap Nix liner. I think the color is 99 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 4: literally brown, Like I'm not trying to be difficult. I 100 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: think it's literally called brown and it's a perfect brown liner. 101 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: So I do that with this smash box lipstick color 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: called Latte, and it is my favorite lipstic I've ever found. 103 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: It's a perfect peachy, pinky nude and it's now so 104 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 4: difficult to find. I don't know why these companies always 105 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: discontinue the best colors. 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 5: It kills me. 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: It's so tough when that happens. 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: So Ava's last product that she talked about was sunscreen, 109 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: and this was a huge lesson that my mom shared 110 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: with me. She always made me slather on sunscreen Ava 111 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: uses Supergoop unseen sunscreen. Sunscreen is tough because everything makes 112 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: me break out. So I finally found one this year. 113 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: It's called Innis Free and it's a Korean skincare brand. 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: It's sixteen bucks on Amazon, and it's the first one 115 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: that does not give me a white cast and does 116 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: not make me break out. 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 5: I to share your poor clogging dilemma. 118 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: It takes me forever to find products that won't activate 119 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: my acne. I found one by an Australia acne safe 120 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 4: skincare brand called Zitstika. It's great, you get it target, 121 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: it goes on completely clear. It gives you a nice 122 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: lite shine and moisturizer effect too, And that one's really cheap. 123 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 5: It's like under twenty bucks, so we love it. 124 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: So Ava talked about her favorite beauty products, But my 125 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: favorite part of this article was when she talked about 126 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: the biggest beauty lesson that she learned from her mom, 127 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: and she said it comes from this southern saying pretty 128 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: is as pretty does. I was trying to hear that 129 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: in Reese Witherspoon's Southern drawl. 130 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I can't do it. 131 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: I can't imitate, but it really means that beauty comes 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: from the inside and it's the way you take care 133 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: of yourself and others. And Ava was saying that a 134 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: beautiful person is someone who treats others with kindness, and 135 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: I think that is what pretty is all about. 136 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 5: I totally agree. 137 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: When I think back to how my mom raised me, 138 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: that is the same message that she sent to me 139 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 4: about beauty and appearance. I feel so grateful that I 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: grew up in a home where my mom really didn't 141 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: talk about physical appearance that much or external beauty. She 142 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: really reminded me that it was all about your intelligence, 143 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: your inner self worth, how you treat people. So I'm 144 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: so grateful for that because I inherited a lot of 145 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: other issues, you know, from my family, but I don't 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: think that negative self talk when it comes to appearance 147 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 4: is one of them. 148 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: I love hearing that. 149 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: I think the less we focus on it, the happier 150 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: we are usually. But this message resonated with me really 151 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: deeply because actually a few years ago, I started an 152 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: entire brand called pretty Smart that was based on this message. 153 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 5: So good, thank you. 154 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 2: But it's because I thought about all the pretty women 155 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: in my life, and you know, if you ask anybody 156 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: who's the most beautiful woman in their life. They always 157 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: say my mom, my aunt, my sister. No one cites 158 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: like some girl on Instagram or on a billboard. And 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: the prettiest women are pretty bold, pretty witty, pretty strong, 160 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: pretty smart. And I think if we can, as a 161 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: society and culture talk about pretty in the way that 162 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: Ava and Reese are talking about it, women as a 163 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: whole are going to be so much more fulfilled and happy. 164 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: That's why I like the term body neutrality of our 165 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: body positivity, because body neutrality is all about this idea 166 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: that the way we look on the outside is the 167 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: least interesting thing about us, and that we would feel 168 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: more liberated as women if we truly embodied that concept 169 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: On the daily. 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: I always hear Jimmy Lajimil talk about how it can 171 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: be one of the ten or fifteen things that you 172 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: think about that day, but it can't be number one, two, 173 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: or three. 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: That's when you start getting unhappy. 175 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: So I think focusing on what Ava said, which is pretty, 176 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: is what pretty does, sort of reframes pretty in my mind. 177 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: All Right, we want to close out this part of 178 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: our show with a shout out to our girl Selena Quintania, 179 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: because today is Selena Day, in honor of the iconic 180 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 4: singer who would have been fifty three years old. Cities 181 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: across Texas where she grew up are going to be 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 4: holding concerts and tributes in her honor. And I mean, 183 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: it's hard to encapsulate the impact that this woman has 184 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 4: had on music. She was such a trailblazer for the 185 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: LATINX community, and she managed to do something that few 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: artists can, which is moved seamlessly between genres and create 187 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 4: music that stands the test of time. She was just 188 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: twenty three years old when she died, which is just 189 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: staggering to think about how young she was and how 190 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: much she would have been able to achieve if she 191 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: had been given more time on this earth. So Happy 192 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 4: Selena Day, Happy Selena Day. 193 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I also wonder how she would feel about sort of 194 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: the last year of music, because so many LATINX artists 195 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: have punctured mainstream pop music and people are really celebrating it. 196 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: So I hope that she would be excited by some 197 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: of the doors that she helped kick in. 198 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 5: It's so true. I think she's celebrating right now. 199 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: Well, people are definitely celebrating her so happy birthday, Selena. 200 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: Up next, we're diving further into the world of fashion 201 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: with stylist, designer, and CEO Rachel Zoe. 202 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: Stay with us. 203 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Today's guest has been a household name in fashion for 204 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: nearly twenty years. 205 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: Oh she's an OG influencer, stylist, reality TV star, mega 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: successful ceo. 207 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: We're hanging out with Rachel Zoe everybody. 208 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 4: Her podcast, Climbing in Heels is back for its third season, 209 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: and she's here with us now to talk about crafting 210 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: a career in fashion that has spanned decades. 211 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: Rachel, Welcome to the bright Side. We're so excited to 212 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: have you with us. 213 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 6: I'm so excited to be here. 214 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: Simone and I were in Austin for south By Southwest 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: when we launched the show, and you were at the 216 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: same party that we were at, and I went up 217 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: to chat with you and you started fixing my necklaces 218 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: and I was thinking to myself, does. 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: This mean that I've been styled by Rachel Zoe? 220 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: Because ten year old Danielle would be freaking out right now. 221 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 5: Danielle realized she made it in that moment. 222 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 6: Oh my god. 223 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: I literally god, that's so funny, you know, Austin was 224 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 3: such a blur for me, and it was such a whirlwind. 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: Was that rude that I fixed your necklace? I can't 226 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: even Rachel. 227 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 5: Are you kidding? 228 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: I was dying. I was so excited. 229 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: I feel like we grew up watching you, and you 230 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: were the very first celebrity stylist that I ever knew about. 231 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I never actually planned to 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: be one. I actually didn't even know what one was. 233 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: I just sort of figured it out as I went. 234 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: To be honest, well, Rachel, I want to get into 235 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 4: that because I believe our journeys are made up of 236 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: a handful of defining moments and pivot points. And today, 237 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 4: of course you need no introduction, but can you take 238 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: us back to the crossroads that really kickstarted your fashion career? 239 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 6: God? To be honest, there are There are quite a lot. 240 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: There's different turning points that happened at different points throughout 241 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: my career and really impacted this sort of next phase, 242 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. But I would say, when I 243 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: really think about it, in the earliest part of my career, first, 244 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: I would say, by the fact that I graduated as 245 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: a psych social major from George Washington university with absolutely 246 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: no idea what I was doing other than to try 247 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: and be like a child psychiatrist. I got a job 248 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: through a friend of a friend at a teen magazine 249 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: called Why Am And it was like a teen celebrity 250 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 3: fashion magazine, like seventeen. And I was making no money 251 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: at all, seventy five dollars a day, three days a week. 252 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 3: I worked seven I lived for every single second of 253 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: my job, and I knew in that moment that I 254 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: was doing. 255 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 6: That for the rest of my life. 256 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: I didn't know exactly what that was, but if I 257 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: was working in the fashion closet for the rest of 258 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: my life, that would have been fine too. 259 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 5: Wait, so what was it for you? 260 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: What made you know in that moment that you wanted 261 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: to do that for the rest of your life. 262 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: It was like, you know that scene in Sex and 263 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 3: the City when Sarah Jessica first goes to Paris and 264 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: she's like this starry eyed girl walking around in like 265 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: a tool skirt. It's like I was in love. I 266 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: was in love with the fashion world. I was obsessed 267 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: with fashion designers. I was obsessed with everything that was 268 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: glamorous and beautiful. 269 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 6: I had no idea in any life that. 270 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: You could be paid to do this type of job 271 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: because it didn't exist the way you know it today. 272 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: I was literally figuring it out as I went, But 273 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: I decided as I turned twenty five that had to 274 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: make a move. And I worked on a Britney Spears video. 275 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: Wait, this was Hit Me Baby one More Time? Right, yeah, yeah, 276 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: which is like the iconic Brittany Catholic schoolgirl total Intentions inspired. 277 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 6: Video Oh God, the best movie ever. 278 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 279 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: And when I worked on that, this whole different thing 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: happened inside of me, Like, wait a minute, this is 281 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: a whole other world of styling, of money, of pop culture. 282 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: And I was terrified because I was so young. But 283 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: at the same time, you're making next to nothing. I 284 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,239 Speaker 3: was literally making like twenty thousand. 285 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 5: Dollars a year. 286 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 4: Rachel, How did you go from styling major celebrities like 287 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: Britney Spears just because Simpson and the Backstreet Boys to 288 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: that next big gig? 289 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 5: What was your next turning point? 290 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: You won't believe this, but truthfully, when you say turning point, 291 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: Tommy Hilfiger called me into his office at the top 292 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: of his game and making the most iconic campaigns. He 293 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: called me into his office and said, I've heard a 294 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: lot about you. 295 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 6: I think you're really talented. 296 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: I'd like you to style this campaign for me. And 297 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: I was like frozen at that moment. I mean, I froze, 298 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: you know, and I listened to him. 299 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 6: I'm like why. 300 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: I had just gone freelance, like literally like four days before, 301 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: and I was terrified, and so it began, you know, 302 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: and I would I would argue that that was the 303 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: most pivotal moment for me early on, because he took 304 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: such a chance on me. I'm pretty sure I had 305 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: panic attacks in the middle of the night every single 306 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: night for the whole time. I was absolutely terrified if 307 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: I part of my French can I curse? 308 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? Please? 309 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: I was like, if I fucked it up, I was 310 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: never working again. And so I kind of had that 311 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: sort of fear, panic, anxiety, excitement, passion that pretty much 312 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: governed everything I did from that point forward. 313 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: But I did it. 314 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: The stakes feel so high when you're twenty two years old, 315 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: no matter what industry you're in, but particularly fashion. I 316 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: was so curious what twenty two year old Rachel Zoe 317 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: was wearing. What were you racking during that time of life? 318 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: Do you know what like I was working with like 319 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: Backstreet Boys and Britney and just kind Enrique, and I 320 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: just remember like I was always the most overdressed. I 321 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: always had makeup on, I was always overdressed. I've been 322 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: overdressed since I was like eight years old. 323 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: That's why you're in charge, Rachel. When I look back 324 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: at my fashion archives, my blood pressure starts to rise 325 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 4: immediately because I'm so embarrassed by some of the fashion 326 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: choices that I made. And I'm curious if you are 327 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 4: able to be forgiving with yourself of some of your 328 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: past fashion choices, or are there any fashion moments that 329 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: you look back at now and just they make you cringe? 330 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 6: To be honest, really just the eighties. 331 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: I think I've pretty much stayed the same for like 332 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: the last twenty years. Not the same, but I have 333 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: different versions of me. When I think back the eighties, 334 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: it's literally like a psychological blackout, Like I just like 335 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: to pretend it didn't happen. Literally, when I say cringe, 336 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: it's like my inside's hurt. 337 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 5: Did you have really big hair, Rachel? 338 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I did so big that I should have 339 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: been arrested. I think, like Julia Roberts, mystic pizza vibe. 340 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 5: I mean, see, I'm a fan of that. Like I am, 341 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: I'm all. 342 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 6: For it and Julia Roberts. 343 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: So Rachel, a few months ago, we were at a 344 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: dinner together and you were sitting next to another celebrity stylist, 345 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: Mae Riley. But she's the generation below you, and she 346 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: was saying that you were one of the only people 347 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: kind to her as she was coming up. 348 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 5: Why was it important for you to be a nice girl? 349 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: First of all, it's who I am, It's how I 350 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: was raised. I've always been the nice girl in a 351 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: crazy world. 352 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: You know. 353 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: The people that I grew up with and the people 354 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: that knew me and even my husband would always say, 355 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: You're like this nice, normal girl living an insane life 356 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: in a crazy industry. My dad is a successful, self 357 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: made entrepreneur and the nicest man I know, and he 358 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: was never not nice. He taught me that you could 359 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: be kind and be a leader, you could be successful 360 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: and not step on people to. 361 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 6: Get to the top. 362 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: I just found my people, and I navigated the industry 363 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: in a way where I was always polite and I 364 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: just always was honest. 365 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 6: Stylists when I moved to. 366 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: La were horrific to me, with the exception of like 367 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: two who I'm still close with today. And I had 368 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 3: enough people in my life that I looked up to, 369 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: just people that have kind of been through it. I 370 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: think would just say, just keep your eye on you, 371 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: keep your eye on what you love. If your clients 372 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: trust you, and you have enough people in your life 373 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: that actually know you and know who you are, then 374 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 3: don't worry. It doesn't matter they're judging you without actually 375 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: knowing you. You know, there were times I wished I 376 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: was harder. There were times I wished I could be scarier. 377 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: There were times I wished I had more of an 378 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: edge to be stronger in certain situations. And I think, 379 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: you know, over time, being naive really hit me in 380 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: the face. But I think that's life, and I think 381 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: that that really taught me and helped really shape who 382 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: I am now. 383 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: Rachel, as you were talking about just that tension that 384 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 4: exists in being a professional, and it got me thinking 385 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 4: about a post that you made on your Instagram about 386 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: America Ferrera's monologue from Barbie, and it talks about the 387 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: expectations on women, you know, be pretty, but not too 388 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: pretty as to intimidate other women, And I thought it 389 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: was interesting that you said that you watched it like 390 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 4: dozens of times, So I'm curious what about that monologue 391 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 4: resonated with you. 392 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: Honestly, I think all of it, because, first of all, 393 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: America Ferre was so extraordinary in that scene, and I 394 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 3: think the way she delivered it, And I think when 395 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: you look at Marca Robbie as this picture perfect icon 396 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: of a Barbie character, right, we live in this oxymoron. 397 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 3: I think of a very contradictory expectation of women. It's like, 398 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: don't be this, but be this, you know, don't talk 399 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: about being thin, but don't ever not be thin. Be gorgeous, 400 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 3: but definitely not to the point where like you would 401 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: ever intimidate another woman. 402 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 4: You know. 403 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: It's like, don't not work, but don't work too hard 404 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: that you neglect your children or your husband. And men 405 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: don't deal with those pressures. I shouldn't say that, because 406 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: certain men, of course do deal with those pressures. But 407 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: I think generally speaking, we don't get the grace. And 408 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: I think that's why historically we are so ridden with guilt, right, 409 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: and we are trying to be all things to all people, 410 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 3: just by nature, like it's not because someone's telling me, Rachel, 411 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: you better be amazing at all these things. It's the 412 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: internal drive and motivation of you better be the best 413 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: at this right. I don't see a ton of husbands 414 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: that feel bad about like going to work. At the 415 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: same time, women somehow really carry that so much heavier 416 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: at the end of the day. 417 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 6: I think the strength of women is historically. 418 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: The thing that we get puted down for the most meaning, Oh, 419 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 3: they're so emotional, you can't have a woman do this. 420 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: And what I would say to that is emotion is 421 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: our actual superpower. Emotion is what makes us magic. Bringing 422 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: emotion to business, in my opinion, is the most important 423 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: thing that we do. 424 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 2: I love that you said superpower, Rachel, because I really 425 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 2: do think you bring that superpower to people when you 426 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: style them. It's like why they feel so connected to you. 427 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: And I would make the argument that you influence the 428 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: term celebrity stylist. How do you think that you've made 429 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: your mark on the. 430 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: World of styling. 431 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: It was just I cared so deeply about my clients, 432 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: and so I think it was that approach that's I 433 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: think what started to give it that term of celebrity 434 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: stylist and I think it's what really ultimately made me 435 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: launch my media business and write books and do all 436 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: these other things because I would hear from strangers and 437 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 3: made me want to get dressed and look like a 438 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: woman again, and all of these incredible stories that impacted 439 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: me in such a way that I was like, Okay, 440 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: I have a way bigger purpose here, and my purpose 441 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: is actually to impact every woman, to help every woman 442 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: have confidence, not be scared of fashion, help them with 443 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: their everyday approach to their lives. 444 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you brought that up, like inspiring 445 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: women to be more confident in their lives, because I 446 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 4: think of women like my mom. I remember growing up 447 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 4: watching her question her style choices because of her age. 448 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 4: So I want to talk to you about this whole 449 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: construct of dressing for your age. Don't you think we 450 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 4: should be doing away with that construct? 451 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 6: And it's bullshit. 452 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: I think you dress for yourself. I hated it then 453 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: and I hate it more now. The era of like 454 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: dos and don'ts and cans and cannots, and the whole 455 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: point of fashion and style in general is it's your 456 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 3: best form of self expression, right. It's how you say 457 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: who you are without actually having to speak or talk. Ever, 458 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: I know who someone is when they walk in the 459 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: door I do. I know by what kind of jewelry 460 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: they wear, I know by how they do their hair, 461 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: and I know what their mood is. I think for me, 462 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: I became determined how to sort of turn that on 463 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: its head and it not be considered that And how 464 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: can this mean more to people? 465 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 4: Meaning is so important right when it comes to career, 466 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: because we spend so much time pouring ourselves into our career. 467 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: Your podcast, Climbing in Heels features interviews with incredible women 468 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 4: about their climb to the top of what you call 469 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 4: a Mount Everest in their given fields. 470 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 5: So do you feel like you've hit your Mount Everest moment? 471 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 5: Are you still climbing towards any thing? 472 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so not at the top. I'll 473 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: always be climbing. I definitely do not feel in any 474 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 3: way at the top, and I don't feel that I'm 475 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: anywhere near done either. 476 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 6: I have a lot left to do. 477 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: Is if you were to go back and start again today, 478 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: is there anything you would do differently? 479 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 6: Oh my god, so many things. 480 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Give me the two top ones? 481 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: God, I would always say, just trusting people that shouldn't 482 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 3: be trusted and having lines that are too blurred between 483 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: my professional and personal life, which is hard to kind 484 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: of navigate that when you're young. I mean, I think 485 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: there's definitely decisions that I made that seemed. 486 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 6: Right at the time. 487 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: But then I would also argue to say that I 488 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: can't begin to tell you how much I learned from 489 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: that mistake that really informs how I go forward. 490 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: Now, after the break, we'll get Rachel's rapid fire takes 491 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: on the y two K trons that we are seeing 492 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: everywhere times even rock ourselves. 493 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: So, Rachel, here's how this is gonna work. We're gonna 494 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: throw out some styles we've been seeing and you can 495 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 4: tell us if it's a trend it or a trash 496 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: it item. Okay, so these are these are resurgent y 497 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 4: two K trends, go for it, Okay, whale tail. 498 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 5: Is this a trended or a trash it? 499 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 6: Oh God, trash it? 500 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Baggie jeans or skinny jeans. 501 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with a wide legged trouser because I 502 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: don't wear either, but I would say baggie definitely. I 503 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: would prefer baggy over skinny any day of the week. 504 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 4: Jeorts trash it, trend it, trash it, Rachel, I'm personally offended. 505 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: Don't be because I think everyone at Coachella will be 506 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: wearing them so well, it also depends for other people. 507 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 5: Great for me. 508 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: Never how about crop tops. 509 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 6: I think crop tops in the right iteration are always cute. 510 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: Cargo pants, love hate bucket hats. 511 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: I think I think your hesitation says it all. 512 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I have to ask this one for someone. How about 513 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: bike shorts? 514 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: Oh god, I think for working out, for working out 515 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: for bris, I feel attacked short. 516 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: I feel attacked because I have worn those stamps. 517 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 6: Feel attacked. 518 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 5: I'm kidding. Really hot, Mam, Rachel. 519 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 4: An insult from you is a compliment from anyone else, 520 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: so she'll take. 521 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: It, okay, Rachel. 522 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: Our very last question for you is what is a 523 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: piece of advice that works in style and in life. 524 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: Lead with kindness, root for other people, cheer for those 525 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 3: you love, just honestly wish everyone the best. 526 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 5: Thank you for being a nice girl, Rachel. 527 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a podcast for that. You can sit 528 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: with us crowd. 529 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: Yeah. 530 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: I think it's cool to be kind and that's how 531 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: I'm raising my kids, so I hope it's still cool. 532 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: And I hope it stays cool because I think the 533 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: mean girl thing is I hope it's done for good. 534 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: Rachel, thank you so much for coming to the bright 535 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 4: Side today. It has been such a joy to have 536 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: you on our show. 537 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: Thanks Rachel. 538 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 6: Good to talk to you, guys. 539 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 4: Rachel Zoe is a celebrity stylist, CEO and host of 540 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 4: the podcast Climbing and Heels. 541 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 5: You can listen to it on. 542 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 4: The iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 543 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: I grew up watching The Zoe Report, the Rachel Zoe Project, 544 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: like she was the first stylist I even knew existed. 545 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: One of the things that I took from her is 546 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: that style is really unique to each person. 547 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: Well, she also leads by example in that regard because 548 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 4: she's always had such an individualistic, unique, original sense of style. 549 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: I mean, she pioneered that whole like hippie chic look. Yeah, 550 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 2: like the Lindsay Lohan Paris Hilton era, which I think 551 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: is actually coming back now too. The boho she yeah, 552 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: oh interesting word on the street. That was never my vibe. 553 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: It wasn't good for my body type. 554 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: I feel like you could wear it well and now, 555 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: I mean the next thing is going to be the 556 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 4: Western cowboy. 557 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: That harder inspired. Yeah, that I can get down with. 558 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: When I think about a parting thought that I want 559 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: to end this episode with. What really stuck with me 560 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 4: is when we were asking her about her Mount Everest 561 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: moment and she said, I'm still climbing, And I love 562 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: that mentality. I never want to stop climbing, and not 563 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: in the self serving hustle sense of that phrase, but 564 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 4: more like I always want to be learning, I always 565 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: want to be growing, I always want to be evolving. 566 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: I agree, and I actually took her comment a little differently. 567 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: We constantly think that as we hit certain levels of 568 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: success or certain milestones in life, that it's going to 569 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: get easier, and the reality is never does. She's one 570 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: of the most successful stylists in the world and she 571 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: feels like she's still climbing, and so it's really a mindset, 572 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: like you. 573 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 4: Said, well, that's that idea, that's like you never really 574 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: make it. Yeah, this idea of making it is just 575 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: this elusive, unrealistic concept. 576 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: You know. 577 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: I used to ask celebrities when I first moved to 578 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: LA I used to ask celebrities that question, like, what 579 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: was your I made it moment I stopped asking that 580 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: because I quickly realized that all of these huge stars 581 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: don't feel like they've made it, and so it was 582 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: really not a great question. 583 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: I actually think it's really important to hear that from celebrities, 584 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: from people like Rachel Zoe, who we have a tendency 585 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 4: to idolize or think their lives are perfect. They've got 586 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: it all figured out. But that's where And I know 587 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: I sound like a broken record, but I keep coming 588 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: back to this idea of contentment, like appreciating where you're 589 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: at right now and being grateful for what you already have, 590 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: especially when you think about a time when you didn't 591 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 4: have what you have now. I mean, that's the only 592 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 4: way to truly be happy. Otherwise you're always climbing, reaching 593 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 4: for something that might not exist or might not fulfill you. 594 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: I always call it my mountain climbing years, and I 595 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: feel like I'm in them, but she's making me feel 596 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: like they never really go away exactly. 597 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: She's in her fifties and she's climbing a new mountain. 598 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: Love that. 599 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 5: That's it for today's show. I'm Simone Boye. 600 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 4: You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Simone Voice. 601 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe at Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. 602 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: That's ro Bay. 603 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: Tomorrow, we've got journalists and co creator of the new 604 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 4: series The Girls on the Bus. 605 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 5: It's Amy Josik. 606 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: Ooh, that's so fun. 607 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: We'll catch you tomorrow on the bright side.