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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies

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<v Speaker 1>in the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded

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<v Speaker 1>into this huge thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew, I just knew something was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was

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<v Speaker 1>shot dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I kept calling his phone during the drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying

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<v Speaker 2>he was targeted.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come

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<v Speaker 1>to the police station.

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<v Speaker 3>Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know something, heard something, please it's never too

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<v Speaker 2>late to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm John Green.

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<v Speaker 4>For about a decade, Deanna and I spent a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of time on the Internet, especially in the underbelly of

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet, trying to identify and get animal abusers arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent over a year and a half trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man

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<v Speaker 1>that was killing cats online and he was threatening to

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<v Speaker 1>move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called

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<v Speaker 4>Don't Fuck with Cats.

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<v Speaker 1>That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills

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<v Speaker 1>to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.

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<v Speaker 4>This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.

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<v Speaker 3>The last time we had an opportunity to speak with

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<v Speaker 3>forensic analysts Joseph Scott Morgan. He walked us both through

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<v Speaker 3>the ins and out of the likely evidence collected at

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<v Speaker 3>Jared's murder scene. It's a bit overwhelming. But now it's

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<v Speaker 3>time to check in with our Florida based investigator, Chris Salgado.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris has been looking at a Jared's x y Shana

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband Mario. Let's see what he's found.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris. Last time we spoke with you, we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>went over the Jared Bradigan case and went over the

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<v Speaker 2>details of the case and kind of some theories and

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<v Speaker 2>some information that Dan and I had come across, and

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<v Speaker 2>we needed your help as a private investigator get some

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<v Speaker 2>information that she and I couldn't find, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>that might be because it's too soon. So one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things we were looking for is if somebody moves,

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<v Speaker 2>how soon will the new records be reflected that we

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<v Speaker 2>can see somebody and find them where they're at now.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we saw you last hour, I spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>you last time. We asked you to run a report

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<v Speaker 2>for us. Were you able to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was able to run up some couple of reports

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<v Speaker 5>and fire off that information to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Great for the listeners. Dan and I were doing a

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<v Speaker 2>little research on a.

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<v Speaker 6>House in Jacksonville Beach that looks like it was put

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<v Speaker 6>up for sale in mid October. We were trying to

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<v Speaker 6>see if somebody was still living in the state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 6>This was our first chance to look at the report. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>now we have kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of heard something through the great Brian. I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>could say.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a message from someone saying that the kids

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<v Speaker 1>were moving to a specific state. They were telling their

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<v Speaker 1>friends they're moving to a specific state. So I got

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<v Speaker 1>a message from someone asking me can we find them

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<v Speaker 1>in that state. I did record searches on like voter

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<v Speaker 1>records and things like that, and everything still pointed to Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>But because they only moved in October to wherever they

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<v Speaker 1>moved to, then you know, I figured, well, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just too soon to have those records reflected, you know, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think what we're looking at here kind of

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<v Speaker 2>agrees with what we've been told.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go through this. So we got a

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<v Speaker 1>report now on Shana and Mario, but we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to give too any details because we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to dock this person on the air. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So what I want to know is did they move

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<v Speaker 1>to this specific state? And the first first note on

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<v Speaker 1>this report is they have an address in this state.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I have the address and the address is

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<v Speaker 1>linked to a specific company. The deed was transferred in September.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, I'm doing my thing and going on Google Map.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you do your thing. I'm going to do mine

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<v Speaker 1>real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking at the area. I understand, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do my next thing is verify when

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<v Speaker 2>that house it's sold. Robot.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, it wasn't difficult to get the information. The more

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<v Speaker 7>difficult part is going to be analyzing the information, because

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<v Speaker 7>you've got to remember a lot of times when we investigate,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not a lack of information, but it's an analysis

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<v Speaker 7>of all the large amounts of information data points that

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<v Speaker 7>we get to really understand what is relevant, what's misinformation

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<v Speaker 7>or frankly just wrong, and what's really relevant for the

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<v Speaker 7>focus at hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the address that I'm looking at shows that property

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<v Speaker 2>with sold late September.

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<v Speaker 1>The address that we just got, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the address that I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, September twenty sixth is when the property was transferred.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then a couple of weeks later in October,

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<v Speaker 2>they put the house in Florida up for.

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<v Speaker 1>So they put the house up October twenty seventh is

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<v Speaker 1>when it was listed on solo.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is within a month, within a month of

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<v Speaker 2>this house being purchased in another state, the house in

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<v Speaker 2>Florida is put up for sale. Right, So one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we know that they had done at

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<v Speaker 2>one point in time that started like a property management company.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we use it all right, Ena.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I don't think this is related to that. Interesting, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so this all this all fits together. I would say

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<v Speaker 2>all these pieces Fick together, you buy a house, you

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<v Speaker 2>put your old house up for sale. Yeah, yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see prices.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's listed as a current address to the individual

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<v Speaker 5>for and I think it's something pretty interesting. So it

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<v Speaker 5>looks like it's listed as a current address as of

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<v Speaker 5>mid December. But the transfer of what you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 5>like you folks said, happened in late September to a company, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and that company falls into the background of the context

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<v Speaker 5>of the situation. Let me pull that up here.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks like the property, just the land itself,

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<v Speaker 2>was purchased at the beginning of this year, and then

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<v Speaker 2>house is built on it and then purchased. Well, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like the hunt was right or yeah, what she

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<v Speaker 2>heard was right? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the city at Is it closer to COMADL.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's about two hundred and twenty miles inland from Tacoma.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's very very rule area. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>the takeaway from this fianna is is that the hunch

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody had or heard it sounds like actually happened, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But where's where's her husband?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's the million dollar question that we're able

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<v Speaker 2>to get much information on him christ new husband.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I was. I'll go ahead and send that

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<v Speaker 5>off to you guys with was able to pull some

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<v Speaker 5>new information on them. It's behind the company and there's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of there's a lot of different companies affiliated

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<v Speaker 5>with the certainly property management companies, there's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 5>of them. You guys have kind of tip of the

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<v Speaker 5>results here, and in the same email that I sent

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<v Speaker 5>you folks, it has the new address for the other

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<v Speaker 5>individual there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the thing is that she's on one end

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<v Speaker 2>of the country and he's on the other end of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. That that's the takeaway from this, Deanna, and

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<v Speaker 2>the question is his wife? So Deanna and I had

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<v Speaker 2>a really good conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>With Joseph Joseph Scott Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>As a forensics guy, and we were talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>type of witness, what kind of testimony is made in court,

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<v Speaker 2>and I witness testimony. Unfortunately in this case, it's only

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<v Speaker 2>the two year old daughter, which she'll probably never be

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<v Speaker 2>called to stand. All she remembers is bang bang bang

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing daddy Lane on the ground. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>she saw the shooter, so that then relies on evidence

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<v Speaker 2>left at the scene. So I was thinking about it. Dianna,

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<v Speaker 2>after that conversation yesterday, said, well, there's one other way,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a confession. Somebody would confess to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the fact that she's on one side of the

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<v Speaker 2>country and he may be staying at the other end

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<v Speaker 2>of the country is kind of telling. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the going theory people on the internet believe that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the ex wife is responsible for his death, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people believe that her current husband may have

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with it or he knows information about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right m h. So you would think you would, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unless the marriage were really bad, you would stay together.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if possibly you were somehow connected to

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Jared, you would stay together. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just it just seems odd that he's on one end

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<v Speaker 2>of the country and she's on the other coast.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want me to give you a theory? Go okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she has anything to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she knows about it. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>this is just okay? Can j sure? I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she knows about it. I don't think she had anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with it, but I think her circle does.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, who that person is I don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>But let's pretend for a moment that it's her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>that he hired some guy like his first time kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hit job, right, hypothetically for five grand Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>say this is all hypothetical. Well, I mean, how stupid

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<v Speaker 1>would you have to be to kill your ex husband

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<v Speaker 1>two miles from your home? Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How stupid would you have to be to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>You're in this contentious custody battle. This makes you suspect

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<v Speaker 1>number one, and you know this, You're not stupid, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you don't have any if you have like

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<v Speaker 1>plausible deniability, then I mean, then your innocent an alibi,

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<v Speaker 1>You have an alibi you've been you're at home with

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. Then okay. Now she might suspect him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>she might suspect that he had something to do with this,

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<v Speaker 1>And they've been fighting about it, and it's been causing resentment,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been causing this undercurrent of disdain amongst them.

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<v Speaker 1>She tells, Mom, I can't I can't be with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy anymore, Like we're just so different and I've outgrown

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<v Speaker 1>him and blah blah blah blah. Mom, I'll take care

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<v Speaker 1>of it. We'll get this handled. A month before they

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<v Speaker 1>start moving, remember, a month before they start moving, Mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad, through this company, purchased this house in Washington. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes to her husband, I'm leaving you, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not coming with me. I'm moving. I'm moving as far

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<v Speaker 1>away from this as I It's too painful for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be here anymore. I mean, this is just me

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<v Speaker 1>guessing at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that is a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but why would he stay? If let's pretend he's

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of something, why would he stay? Is he allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to leave Florida? Now? The company that he owns with her,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the primary worker there. And she did an interview

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, my husband runs this company, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is registered in the state of Florida. But that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean he has to live there, right. But if

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<v Speaker 1>his rentals are in Florida, then you know he would

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<v Speaker 1>stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm giving a little digging while.

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<v Speaker 1>We're No, no, I'm just talking. I'm just talking.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, seriously, think about it. How stupid would

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be to kill your husband, who everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows you basically hate, right, That's that's a strong word,

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<v Speaker 1>but you basically hate him.

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<v Speaker 2>You have animosity, right, And at one point in time

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<v Speaker 2>you told somebody at a tattoo poll or you wish

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<v Speaker 2>somebody some way to shut him up. Yep, again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is all hypothetical.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly, and in any situation that this has been brought up,

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<v Speaker 1>I have defended this woman and you have to and

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<v Speaker 1>we're the only ones doing that. Are we nuts? I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we missing something?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think the thing is is is who has

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<v Speaker 2>motive in this right?

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<v Speaker 1>Who has clearly?

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<v Speaker 2>Bono?

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<v Speaker 1>Who let's talk about that. You're right because her moving

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<v Speaker 1>seven months after his murder is kind of like because

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that people have been saying is

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe she wanted to move out of state, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jared said, no, you're not taking my kids out of state.

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<v Speaker 1>Florida is their home. You're not leaving Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to take my kids. You're not taking

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<v Speaker 2>my kids as the country, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And sure that's the reason. That's a that that

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<v Speaker 1>could be a motive for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, But I think I think that's why a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that at first don't get reaction, is she

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<v Speaker 2>had something to do with it because she would have

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<v Speaker 2>benefited by getting that's wife would have gotten the full

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<v Speaker 2>custody of the kids. So I mean, for sure, now

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<v Speaker 2>that may be true, but that doesn't mean she she

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<v Speaker 2>actually committed the act.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think anything's possible. Anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing actually popped into my head recently was the date.

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<v Speaker 2>So February happened to Jarrett right, correct, and what happened

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<v Speaker 2>two days before February?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's just what does that have to do with anything?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, after glove, you do something out of love.

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<v Speaker 2>If you love me, you'll do this for me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's that's you know that doesn't. It just

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<v Speaker 2>popped into my head recently when I was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing the timeline of things, like well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day was two days before, and so it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of struck me odd that maybe it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you love me, you'll do this for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm just that's a really good, really

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<v Speaker 1>good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it sound like the ex wife is somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>would say something like that. I mean, based on what

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know about I wish She goes to a

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<v Speaker 2>tattoo poller and says, I wish somebody would there was

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<v Speaker 2>a way to make them to shut up.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what you gave me a couple of links.

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<v Speaker 2>One was to map, one was to.

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<v Speaker 5>Repository of information. Maybe I can highlight in there, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what's corroborated from my end, specific points. Now everything

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<v Speaker 5>but specific points, and then you guys can pick it

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<v Speaker 5>up from there and I can email you saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>take a look at the spreadsheet and you know that's.

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<v Speaker 2>More information for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Depending on how intricate this this is on this this

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<v Speaker 5>idea of this hypothesis, right, depending on how intricate it

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<v Speaker 5>is or was, you know, somebody could be using talk.

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<v Speaker 2>With walkie talking Again. Part of me thinks, man, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a very professional and there's other aspects of this crime.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it was kind of amateur the way they

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<v Speaker 2>did it. A professional wouldn't have done that, right, So yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So getting back to the report, is there anything else

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<v Speaker 2>we need? I think that answers our big question about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, did she leave the state of Florida, And

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<v Speaker 2>now we know for sure, And it kind of goes

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<v Speaker 2>with what we were told, So I think I verifies it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the question is that why did you go all

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<v Speaker 2>the way across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that we need to figure out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, Chris, thank you very very much. That was

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what we were looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I think John and I just kind of want to

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<v Speaker 1>know if they've got I'm sure they do, but what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of evidence they have that they're not releasing and

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<v Speaker 1>not that not that anything that we find is going

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<v Speaker 1>to like break the case wide open, sure, but just

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<v Speaker 1>for just for theory wise, you know, like do they

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<v Speaker 1>have a piece of evidence that they haven't released to

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<v Speaker 1>the public that they're holding on to that's like key

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, and a footprint would be one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely, And that's that's a lot of times that's the

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<v Speaker 5>frustration piece inside an ongoing investigation. But we all know,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, law enforcement does a very good job at

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<v Speaker 5>running down all the leaves that they possibly can, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, trying to keep things close to their chest

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<v Speaker 5>because they don't want to unfurl information where it's low

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<v Speaker 5>premature and it sits off the perspective of tender or

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<v Speaker 5>the targeted person by law enforcement. Right, So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we're kind of the public in general is kind of

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<v Speaker 5>left in the dark with what's going on. What evidence

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<v Speaker 5>do they have, what tactics have they done, did they

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<v Speaker 5>do a tower dump, did they do did they find

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<v Speaker 5>a shoeprint like you're saying there, you know, and all

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<v Speaker 5>that's kind of TVD until they, you know, they find

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<v Speaker 5>they find themselves comfortable enough to either release the information

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<v Speaker 5>or act.

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<v Speaker 1>On it, right, right, And I and I appreciate that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do respect that. I know it's important. So

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I'm certainly not going to you know, hope

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<v Speaker 1>that they release this information just conjecture, you know, just talking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But so it's you know, and it's weird like in Jacksonville,

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<v Speaker 1>they do the top the weather collection four minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>the hour, and so everything is at like two fifty six,

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<v Speaker 1>three fifty six, four fifty six, five fifty six, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And I'm looking at seven fifty six pm,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that is when he called his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>right and they were on the phone for like a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he died like two minutes later. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at that time in my heart just starts beating,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, you're you're looking at the weather

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<v Speaker 1>in the location where the sky was shot at that

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<v Speaker 1>specific time, and it's just it's it's kind of fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it touches on all of us. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 5>all compassionate, and you know, it's just you can only

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<v Speaker 5>imagine what Kirsten's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I can't imagine. I cannot imagine. Let's stop

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<v Speaker 1>here for another quick break. I've been dying to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about this, all right. Do you remember how

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Jared's parents, Yeah, and if if

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<v Speaker 1>they were around and if you know, they had access

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<v Speaker 1>to the twins. Yeah, okay, So I started looking into

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<v Speaker 1>that Markle Act that we were talking about a while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Markle Act, just going to repeat it real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>it gives grandparents' rights to their grandchildren when there's tragic circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. And that was like the really general like explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So I was like, well, let me go

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<v Speaker 1>find out, you know, if this would help Jared's parents. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm reading about it and it says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this act was you know, enacted because of the tragic

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances surrounding Dan Markle's murderer, right, So I was like, well,

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 1>what kind of circumstances would the grandparents be given access

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<v Speaker 1>to their grandchildren? You know, like what happened here? So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go look at this Dan Markle case, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it happened in Florida too, by the way, in Tallahassee.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Florida like statute. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let me dig into this case just very briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>just to get an understanding of what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Where'd you find out?

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<v Speaker 1>Dude? Okay, let me uh let me pull it up again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so listen. Dan is on a business trip

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<v Speaker 1>in September of twenty twelve. All right, September twenty twelve,

0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.879
<v Speaker 1>Dan's on a business trip. When he gets home, he

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<v Speaker 1>finds out that his wife, Wendy, her maiden name is Adelson.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to remember that. Okay. When he gets home,

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<v Speaker 1>he finds that his kids are gone and Wendy has filed,

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<v Speaker 1>like for divorce. So what happened was she filed for

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<v Speaker 1>divorce and just moved to Miami. I think it was Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one hundred percent sure. Anyway, she moves far

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<v Speaker 1>away let's just say that she moves far away, and

0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Dan is like, okay, you can divorce me. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were not taking my kids. Right. So a

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<v Speaker 1>year later, well not quite a year, but in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>in June of twenty thirteen, the judge comes out and says,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't relocate without permission from the father. So they

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<v Speaker 1>the divorce is finally settled, they cannot leave. The tally

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.360
<v Speaker 1>has the area, I'm assuming, and Dan can now see

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<v Speaker 1>his kids. Great, right, Well, something happens between July of

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:19.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen in May of twenty fourteen, because the next

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<v Speaker 1>thing in the timeline is that the court documents, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a hearing scheduled for emotion to prohibit Wendy's mother

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<v Speaker 1>from seeing her grandchildren unsupervised. All right, Now, this hearing

0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 1>never happens because two months later, Dan is murdered. Really yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're okay, So listen, there's this divorce, there's this

0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 1>contentious custody battle. It goes on for a long time,

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden, Dad's dead and he's murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>And now listen to this. This is the thing, all right,

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this is the thing he is shot after dropping his

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<v Speaker 1>children off at school. So he has this kids, he

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<v Speaker 1>drops them off at school. I think it was like

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<v Speaker 1>nine in the morning. He dropped him off at preschool.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he went to go work out. He comes

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<v Speaker 1>back home, it's like eleven o'clock two hours later, and

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 1>he is shot in his driveway, in his driveway. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's okay, listen, So the parallels here are very similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared had the kids, he dropped him off in his car. Shot,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? Like, okay, heading home

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<v Speaker 1>right in his way home, right, shot. Yeah, it gets

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 1>crazier though, it gets even more kind of like parallel. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is in July twenty fourteen that this happens. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>July eighteen, twenty fourteen, he's shot. Okay. So after that,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days go by, and the police release

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<v Speaker 1>an image of a green Prius scene in the area

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<v Speaker 1>around the time that the crime occurred. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>our Ford f one fifty, right in Jared's case. Right,

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.440
<v Speaker 1>in Jared's case, this is our Ford f one fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Dan's case, it's a green Prius, all right, ja.

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<v Speaker 1>So they release this image of the screen Prius and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's some like you know, the memorial services held,

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, general stuff. Okay. The next big thing though,

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.679
<v Speaker 1>that happens is that in February of twenty sixteen, so

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<v Speaker 1>like a year and a half go by, the Tallahassee

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department starts to like slowly release like documents about

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the circumstances running the death, like things like the keys

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.280
<v Speaker 1>were in the ignition and the house was locked, it

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>wasn't robbed, and you know, things like you know that

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 1>they would normally keep.

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<v Speaker 3>To themselves only the person who committed Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they start releasing their puma, right, or some of

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the puma, right, yep. Okay, so this is this is

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 1>where it gets kind of nitty gritty. Oh and the

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 1>other thing that they released is that they don't think

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.200
<v Speaker 1>that the prius belonged to the driver. And I don't

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>know how they know this, but that's what they release.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. But here's where it gets like, wow, all right,

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in April of twenty sixteen, Now, remember he was murdered

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen. Yep, all right. In April of twenty sixteen,

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the FBI, all right, and the FBI is involved. They

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>record a conversation between a guy named Charlie Adelson and

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Catherine Magbuana at a restaurant. Right now, Remember I told

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you his ex wife's name is Wendy Addelson, correct, So

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.919
<v Speaker 1>are they related? That's her brother? Oh okay, so this

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>is her brother, all right. And when I first was

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:40.959
<v Speaker 1>reading this, I'm like, okay, well, who's this dude? Right?

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And why is this important?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Just keep that in mind. And they record this conversation

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>at a restaurant that's in April. In May, a month later,

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:52.360
<v Speaker 1>they arrest somebody, and they arrest this guy named Sigfredo Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>and he denies everything. He's like, I don't know you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you know the full press, right yep? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So somebody's arrested. Now, in June, like a month after

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested, documents in the murder case become unsealed.

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<v Speaker 1>In those documents, there's another suspect named His name is

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Rivera or Louis Rivera, and that establishes a connection

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<v Speaker 1>between Adelson and Garcia, all right, So it provides more

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<v Speaker 1>details than a timeline of the murder, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Tallahausee Police Department. So a jury indicts both Garcia and

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<v Speaker 1>Rivera for this murder. So there's now a trial is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be set, right, So Sigfredo pleads not guilty. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Rivera, I think he made a deal. He pled guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>he made a deal, and so Sigfredo his trial was

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<v Speaker 1>set for November fourteenth, twenty sixteen. Then Rivera pleads guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to second degree murder and is sentenced to nineteen years

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. So he doesn't have a he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a trial, all right, But just then Catherine is arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm guessing at this I haven't read the detail,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm guessing that Louis Rivera like he got he

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<v Speaker 1>copped a deal because right right at that time, Catherine's arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was cooperating, right right, And says, listen, this

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine lady hired us, okay, hired me and sik Credo wow. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this Catherine woman is connected to Wendy's brother, Charles. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is all kinds of crazy, right, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other things that happened. The the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>need to analyze the the recording, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different kinds of COVID happens, you know, in all this,

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<v Speaker 1>so things have been delayed, right, But it boils down

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<v Speaker 1>to Charlie hired these two people through Catherine. She was

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<v Speaker 1>like the go between, all right, and Charlie's trial doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>start until a role this year, twenty twenty three, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what's going to happen there. But Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>turned state's witness and eventually I think she got a mistrial.

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<v Speaker 1>This case is out. This case is crazy, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>so similar to the suspicions that people have about our case. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to Jared?

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<v Speaker 4>Same right, same divorce, contractious family, Right, He's taking his

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<v Speaker 4>kids home, gets out of his car, gets shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows who's done it.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like it was a well we don't think

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<v Speaker 4>the police have said that Jared was targeted by somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>The way it was done, it appeared like it was

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<v Speaker 4>like a professional.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's important to note too that the Tallahassee

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department, very very very quickly after the murder also

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<v Speaker 1>said that that Dan Markle was targeted, that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the intended victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a very similar like we know this is

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<v Speaker 1>targeted and I'm sure people were like, why, how did

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<v Speaker 1>they think this was targeted? Well, you know, they just did.

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<v Speaker 4>While it's still there are nothing of any value was taken,

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<v Speaker 4>right except for his Dan Markle's life. So because of

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<v Speaker 4>all this, they passed the law in Florida so that

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<v Speaker 4>Dan's parents could get access.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not sure exactly, like why Wendy denied. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. So Charlie is in jail right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a trial scheduled for April of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>But his sister, who is Dan Markle's ex wife, like

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<v Speaker 1>who started all this, I guess, is not facing criminal

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<v Speaker 1>charges at this moment, all right, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And she still has custody of the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>She does, she does, and apparently she's been denying access

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<v Speaker 1>to her children to Dance parents.

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<v Speaker 4>So to what's happening with Kirsten.

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<v Speaker 1>And her and so the law though, here's the sad thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the law, the market law, it's not going to help them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they still pushed for it, like they still saw

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<v Speaker 1>the value of this. The law, the Dan Markle law

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm sorry, the Markel Act, would only benefit the Markles.

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<v Speaker 1>If Wendy was convicted. So this tragic circumstances. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>this law means that the grandparents of the murder victim

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<v Speaker 1>would have access to their children if their spouse was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of the murder. So it's not gonna it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna help.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaredy Jared's case. It wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It would not do to use because nobody has yet

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<v Speaker 4>to be arrested, prosecuted, and found guilty of committeing the act.

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<v Speaker 4>Right so that happens, the ex wife can keep the

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<v Speaker 4>kids to herself, and as we know right now, she's

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<v Speaker 4>relocated to another state.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. So it was kind of a waste of time

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<v Speaker 1>for me to look into this because it's just not

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<v Speaker 1>going to help jared parents. But on the bright side,

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<v Speaker 1>I found this case, you know, that is eerily similar

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<v Speaker 1>to Jared's case, the same kind of situation, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same mo it's early similar and and the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason that I kind of want to talk to miss

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<v Speaker 1>Bradygan about it is just like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think she is giving up hope. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think she I don't think she's ever going to

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<v Speaker 1>give up hope, you know what I mean. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know she's I know she's desperate, right, Like she wants

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<v Speaker 1>justice for her husband. And if we tell her the story,

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<v Speaker 1>if she doesn't know about it, if we tell her

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<v Speaker 1>the story and say, look, these are like really similar

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances and this family. You know it took a year

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<v Speaker 1>just to get somebody arrested. Don't lose hope. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>it's I know it's saying it's only been eight months

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<v Speaker 1>is shitty. That's not what I That's not how I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say it. But like we need to give

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit more time. More on that next time.

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