WEBVTT - Demons Vs Ghosts with Alice Cooper 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.199 Kesha and the Creepies is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.240 How do we know that COVID nineteen isn't an alien? 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.240 You could be onto something. We should alert somebody. They're 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:16.000 cute little guys like little beach balls with little fucker's. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:37.640 Welcome everybody to the very first edition of Kesha and 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:49.839 the Creepies. We are welcome today by iconic friend, magical, legend, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:55.959 very creepy Alice Cooper himself. I'm not as creepy as 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.320 COVID nineteen, but I'm creepy. Yeah that's good. That's a 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.400 good thing. But I'm happy that you are joining us today. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.399 Thank you for being on the very first of my 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.080 podcast ever. I got to be the first guy on 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.360 your show. You did. You were the first amazing, epic 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.280 rock star, legend, amazing human being on my show, So 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.320 thank you for that. You know we have the same 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.840 kind of idea that horror and rock and comedy all 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.880 belong in bed together. I agree. I'm with you. I 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.800 love a good like because I have a song called 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.000 cannibal I know you have lots of songs about like 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.320 dead babies, and can you have a song about cannibalism 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.440 and all that? Stuff. So I just think like horror 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.360 having fun, so like the comedy and then just the 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:43.200 drama of it all. Yes, and you know the lighter 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.880 side of cannibalism. Yeah, it's it's not a heavy song. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.080 It's a really very playful song, but it is about cannibalism, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.440 you get it. Anyways, I wanted to like start off 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.440 this very creepy conversation by asking you do you believe 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.400 in the supernatural? The pair normal? I you know, I 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.160 think it exists, but I think it exists on some 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.640 different levels that that everybody tries to put it into 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.440 the little little pockets that we can all understand. I 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.000 don't think we'll ever understand it, you know, because I 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.720 think it goes into different dimensions and things like that. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.920 I don't necessarily believe in ghosts as much as I 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.760 believe that demons like to pretend they're ghosts. When you 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.280 watch ghost Hunters or any of these shows and they're 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.000 down in a cellar somewhere and it's a little girl 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:39.920 going daddy, Hello, Hi, daddy. I don't think that's a ghost. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.320 I think that's a demon doing a really good impersonation 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.560 of a little girl. Well, it's just one of those 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.120 things where I think that what demons do best is imitate. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.640 And you know, I I talked to some of the 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.160 guys that do these shows and I said, you know, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.040 be careful because I don't I think that you think 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.000 you're talking to something innocent, and I don't think you 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.160 are talking to something innocent, you know. Uh. And they said, well, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.320 why would they do that? And I said, to draw 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.120 you in, to draw you closer to the occult, to 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.600 draw you more into their world and out of your world. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.240 And I said that's the only reason they would they 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.480 would do that. Um, but be very careful and don't 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.440 let them fool you. You know, I would never go 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.240 down into a basement trying to find somebody that's dead 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.200 down there. You know. I would assume you would love 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.680 just because of like your persona and you would like 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.880 to get pretend murdered all the time, that you just 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.560 have a fascination with death. I think is safe to say, right, Well, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.839 well here's the deal. Uh. Joe Perry and I were 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.920 writing songs. We had just gotten out of rehab, so 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.880 we were a little shaky, you know, and every single 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.000 thing in this house was like I put my hat down, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.640 go in the other room and my hat would be 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.400 not there anymore. And I just kind of chalked it 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.200 up too. Well, yeah, I just got out of rehab, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.320 you know, so I'm not all there. But this happened 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.720 all day to everybody. And in the end, we're having 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.400 dinner that night and it sounds like somebody's moving furniture 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.880 in the basement. And you don't think that's a ghost. Well, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.240 here's the deal. It's not like the movies where you go, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.640 let's get a flashlight and go down and see what 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.320 that is. Uh. I got out of there. I mean 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.280 I got out of there faster than anybody because if 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.719 I don't know what it is moving furniture in the 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.280 in the cellar, you know, I don't want to know 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:41.720 what that is. It's a very strong creature whatever it is. Yeah, well, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.560 I mean, whatever it is, it's not a it's not 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.440 a floating little ghost. It's something a lot heavier than that. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:58.039 I feel like different entities of different intentions, like the 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.120 one ghost. I've had a couple of experiences, but I 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.160 had one ghost that was in my house in Nashville 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.320 and actually moved out of that house because things just 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.000 started flying around and it got really scary, and I 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.520 felt like I was almost being possessed wow by like 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.920 an entity. I don't see why a ghost would do that. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:23.280 Why would a ghost do that? But would do that? 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.200 You know? See? That to me is the difference right 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:31.640 there between something with an intentional evil or something that's 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.760 just floating around going, hey, I'm lost, I don't know 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.520 where I am. You know. So I had another experience 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.080 with a ghost, I'll just call it that, but it 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.120 was very much more innocent, feeling like, I feel like 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.440 it was just a lost soul and I felt almost 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.880 like they needed a body to inhabit, an energy to 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.560 suck off of, much like shitty people. Yeah, well it 0:05:53.680 --> 0:06:00.400 might have been Elvis. He was just a regular the guy, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.040 you know. But I would imagine if there were ghosts, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.720 he would have shown up by now, Yeah, he may have. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.200 I've been to Graceland. Places pretty creepy. I think if 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.360 you could spend the night there. I actually love Graceland. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.680 The creepiest thing about Graceland is the interior decorator. I'm 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.120 obsessed with it. That's what I want my home to 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.599 look like his Graceland. It's like a slight derailing of 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.039 the conversation. But I love Graceland. I love how creepy 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:32.279 it is. I love creepy. Well, Elvis was great, you know. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.839 I mean the whole thing about Elvis was he was 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.440 so much bigger than life, you know what I mean, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.400 his image, his everything about him. When he walked into 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.840 a room, it was it wasn't it was just like 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.320 he filled the room, you know what I mean. He 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.880 was magical. Yeah, he's a magical human. And then when 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:58.120 you start talking to him, he becomes extremely human, extremely Memphis. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.320 You know, you're the cat with a snake, right, all right, man, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.880 that's cool, you know that kind of thing. And you 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.480 got all of a sudden, you're the nicest guy that 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.360 you ever met in your life. And the next thing 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.240 I know, I'm standing in the kitchen with a gun 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.520 pointed at him because he said, here, almost show you 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.760 how to take a gun out of somebody's hand, because 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.080 he was a karate guy, you know. And he hands 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.400 me a loaded thirty eight and so I had the 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.320 gun there, and he knocked it out of my hand, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.560 and I was on the floor and his boot was 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.720 in my throat and I'm and I'm going, that's good, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.760 that's good. Elvis. Can I get up now? Right? That's guys, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.640 I realize. I realized one thing about him was that 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.480 you or I never want to get as big as 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:43.760 Elvis because he had no life. He had can't imagine 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.640 even you're you're like one of the most famous human 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.920 beings on the earth. I feel like every time someone 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.400 meets you, they probably do that I'm not worthy thing, right, Yeah? 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.560 Absolutely absolutely, Well, yeah you get how much how much 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.880 TikTok do you get? You know? I get it? Oh yeah, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.240 every time somebody it's like I'll be like I have 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.480 to brush my teeth and I can never say that 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.960 sentence ever again without someone being like with a bottle 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.320 of jack. Yeah, that's right. They you know, Jack Daniels, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.040 you should be using you for their commercial immediately. Oh 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.240 they are. They sent me like they sent me a 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:22.800 lot of alcohol. Oh good. But the thing was, though, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.760 is you never want to be that big because he 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.000 literally had no social life at all, because he couldn't 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.679 go play pool, he couldn't go to the movies, he 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.600 couldn't go shopping, he couldn't go out to dinner without 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.240 eight guys with him, you know, because he was that big. Yeah, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.640 like security guards you mean, or just like he had 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.440 the Memphis Mafia. Yeah, I mean like eight of his 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.040 best friends and they had a great time. But he 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.920 literally could not just have any freedom. You had no freedom, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.959 I can imagine, especially like now that there's the Internet 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.640 and we do stuff like this like virtual interviews and 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.040 ship like that. It's really different than I would save 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.040 him back like in the seventies, where you're just a 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 creature of legend. You're just this like legend that people 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.880 have to come see in the flesh to believe is real, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.400 versus now super different. Yeah, I think we we become 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.600 a little bit more human now. You know, I've always 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.599 said that I want the Alice image on stage to 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.160 remain mystical. I want that character to be a mystical 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.840 character that's not human. He doesn't say thank you, he 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.600 doesn't say you know, he just is some other kind 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.280 of entity up there on stage and then off stage 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.160 to be exactly the opposite of him, like who you 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.360 are genuinely in your heart? Yeah, you you sign everything, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.960 you take pictures with everybody, you laugh, you kid around, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.560 go to the mall, go you know, just live a 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.200 regular life. But why don't you become Alice. You get 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.120 to become this arrogant villain, you know, you get to 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.000 become this like bigger than life villain. You get to 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.920 lay your evil out. I feel like that's where you 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.000 can put all your just like being an asshole and 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.640 being super evil, can go all into the Alice. Yeah. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.600 It's great therapy, great therapy. But you know that you're here. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.920 You are Kesha, right, and then I know the Kesha 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:19.760 on stage different Kesha. That's that's more of an untouchable character. Well, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.360 I'm just like a false psycho. Yeah, but that's great 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.120 that you should be. It is like a great outlet though. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.319 It's almost like it's like scream therapy or something. When 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.439 you just get to let it all out. That's what 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.080 I feel like when I go on stage. I just 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.600 let it all out. That's it, and you feel great 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.360 after your show. Right, if it's a good show, Yes, yeah, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.960 it's always a good show. As long as I don't 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.200 like piss or ship in my pants, it's usually a 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.480 pretty good job. Which that hasn't happened very much. Just 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.760 letting everybody know listening, it's only happened one time. Your 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.360 name like your stage moniker That was from Auiji board. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.920 Is that a true story. That's not a true story. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.800 It's not a true story. Okay, but it's a better 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.640 story than the real story. Okay, well let's just keep 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.160 it at the better story. Well, here's the deal. There 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.520 was somebody we I when I thought of the name 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.000 Alice Cooper, the idea was it should be totally opposite 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.800 of who the band is. Here's this band of villains. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.559 I mean we were, like, you know, we terrified everybody, right, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.559 And the name is Alice Cooper, sweet little old lady 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.480 that lives down the street, a little demon in the basement. Yeah, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.760 well she makes cookies for the kids. Since that you know, 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.800 and that you know that that sort of oxymoron thing 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.199 made it work. It was people were expecting one thing 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.960 and they got something else, and it was an obvious, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.440 you know, play on the public. But now when you 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:54.240 think the name Alice Cooper, it's creepy, sweet little old lady. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.120 It's like when I think it's very different because we've 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.960 been snarkling together. But before I met you, it was 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:08.720 like full creepy death showmanships, snakes, Chicken, like all of 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.640 the like craziest ship I could ever imagine. That's what 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.560 what I thought of what I thought of you, and 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.800 it still is on stage. That's what it is. That's 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.559 a great show. It's it's a it's sort of the 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.400 dark vaudeville kind of show. Well, that's why I would 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.160 think you'd like be super obsessed with the ghostie things 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.440 because of like kind of the death I see, like 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.640 evil nurses and the guillotine and stuff like that. So 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.520 that really doesn't have anything to do with you wondering 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.760 what's going to happen in the afterlife or anything like that. No, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.560 you know, being a Christian, I I know what's going 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.760 to happen in the afterlife, so I don't I don't 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.880 deal with I don't worry about it. But at the 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.920 same time, you know, I think, no, your enemy. You know. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.400 I watched the ghost shows, and I watch all the 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.200 paranormal shows, but I watch it in a different in 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.200 a different way. I watch it and say, Okay, how 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.160 do how does this affect me? And I realized that 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.800 you could be sucked into this real easy, you know. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.880 So I look at myself outside of it. I know 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.840 it exists, but I don't have to be in it. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.920 I've been asked to do these shows. Oh my gosh, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.640 and you did it. Because you do it, you don't 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.040 want to invite it into your Absolutely. That's the thing 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.520 with Auigi board too. You do not want to play 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.080 with Auiji board because you don't know what's coming through. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.679 I mean, you're opening gates there. You're opening the doors 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.080 to something that could come through and attached to you 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.240 and stay with you for a long time, which I 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.200 think is what I did because I thought it was 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.320 really fun. And then I had a ghost living inside 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.640 my body for like six months. Really wow, I really 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.240 do think I did because things were moving around in 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.800 my house and then I just started hearing this almost 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.360 like just dark that there's a darkness. And then I 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.000 went and had a full um what do you call 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.120 it when you get blessed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and covered 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.520 my house in salt and everything stopped moving around and 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.440 I felt like a little more at peace. But so 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.440 after going through that experience, I felt like, sometimes you 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.040 really need to see it or feel it to believe it. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.880 Since then, I've been fascinated with, like all things paranormal. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.760 I do think it also like you could be other 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:25.640 dimensional energies or beings, yes, which could explain UFOs, I think. Okay, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.080 So I was going to ask you, because you live 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.720 in Arizona, how do you feel about aliens? Well, you 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.080 know here, Sedona is one of the five places in 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.640 the world that has the most sightings, and I mean 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.520 it's ridiculous. We had the eras of the Phoenix Lights. Uh. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.360 I think it was the Phoenix Lights where this thing 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.480 flew over Phoenix and it was the size of three 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.760 football fields and didn't make a sound, and everybody saw it. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.320 Everybody looked up and went, what the hell is that? 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.720 Did you see it? Yeah? Oh yeah, Oh my god, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.040 you know, and I'm studing. I'm going, well, this is it. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.240 We're being invaded and it just flew over but it 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.040 wasn't trying to hide. It went over the city and 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.240 everybody saw it. That is so crazy that you saw that. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.240 That would blow my mind. Well, it was like you 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.360 were just any other way. It was like a Spielberg movie, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.440 you know, where you're like this. That's kind of how 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.920 I feel like with the coronavirus. I feel like it's 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.280 like a movie and I'm not really sure what to 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.720 do for the ending part is going to happen yet, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.280 But I experienced a spaceship in the desert and Joshua 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.000 Tree and I had kind of the same thought where 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:44.040 I was like, yeah, yep, that exists. So obviously, if 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.880 they've been seeing these things, they're they're not here to 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.560 kill us or heard us, so they would have done 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.920 that already. We must be amusing to them. I think 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.960 so too. I think we're like the zoo that they 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:02.320 come and we look at all the stupid things were doing. No, really, 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.600 I think we may be a comedy show for the aliens. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.040 I would explain a lot. Well, so I have I 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.360 have another theory that maybe aliens are us in the future, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:16.960 when we've learned how to try time travel backwards visit us. Well, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.400 that's a good movie and you should write that thank you. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.920 That came out of my own friend. How about this, though, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.200 how do we know that COVID nineteen isn't an alien? 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.360 It could be just invading, like a very tiny, tiny alien. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.320 It's the first it's the first wave of the invasion. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.640 You could be onto something. We should have alert, We 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.280 should alert somebody. They're cute little guys. Mean, they're really 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.880 cute little guys, like little beach balls with little fuckers. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.320 So did you shoot your drummer in the knee, in 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.400 the ankle and the ankle on purpose. We might have 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.520 had something to do with alcohol. U at the hell 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.720 of a drug. You know. We were very young and 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.840 we were out. We had my sister's car driving through 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.480 the desert on a lot of alcohol. Everybody had a 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.440 twenty two, and we were shooting rabbits, you know, at night. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.760 And right as I right as I pulled the trigger, 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.359 Neil Smith swung around. He was on the front of 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.720 the hood and it hit him in the ankle, and 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.800 we didn't know he was shot. So he gets something, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.879 starts running and falls down and he says, oh, I 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.480 sprained my ankle, and we looked at as a perfect 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.840 hole right in his ankle. He didn't even know you 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:44.960 shot him in the ankle. No, well a little. And 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.879 the very next day we had to go down to 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.720 the draft board because we were all eighteen years old, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.280 and you know, you have to report a gunshot moons, right, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.720 And so we went in and uh, the guy says, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.480 police guy says, so how did you get shot? And 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.000 he says, well, I got my draft noticed today, So 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.959 I tried to kill myself by shooting yourself in the ankle, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.399 and the guy looks at me and he knows I 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.600 shot him. You know, he knows that I shot him, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.919 and I'm kind of looking down and going, Okay, you 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:26.440 know that's pretty creepy. That's a creepy as story. Yeah, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.080 but that could happen in Nashville easily, you know that. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:34.439 Oh god, yeah, just hill billy's alcohol and guns. That 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:39.880 could happen anywhere. That's us. So did he still did 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.680 he still remain your friend and drummer? Oh? Absolutely, we're still. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.800 I just did a sess you with him yesterday and 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.760 he still has part of the bullet in his ankle. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.000 Oh my god, that is so crazy. See, I'm like, okay, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.040 when we're done, I'm going to call my drummer and 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.959 ask him if I shot him in the foot, if 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.600 he would still be my drummer until I'm years old? 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.639 And I he'll say yes, Eliah. So I have a 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:10.080 question for you. It's really important, love it. If I 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.400 were to get drunk and shoot you in the foot, 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.280 would you still want to be my drummer till till 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.960 we're like nine years old? Yes? Done? Told you perfect 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:33.040 drummers I mean foot? Yeah, fine, head brain r I 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:41.879 P when you can tell somebody. Yeah, I kind of 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:46.080 got out of the line and Alice shot me. It's 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.600 such a good story. That's a serious band right there. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.919 You know, that's how you test if someone's really in 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:58.120 it for the long hauls. Forty years later and he's 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.399 still with me. That's great. That's like what I think 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.680 my drummer would be, like, Oh, I think you know 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.360 Elias and Calico. Yeah, and I just think he's too 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.520 lazy probably to find another gig. But I could totally 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:17.520 shot I think that's drummer. Okay. So end of the 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.320 sixties going into the seventies, was it like in the 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.360 atmosphere like zeitgeistie that it was just time to be 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.879 creepy or did you always know you wanted to freak 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:32.119 people out, like around the Mansony times. It's you know, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.600 the hippies were just wonderful for a long time until 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.320 the Manson thing happened. Yeah, all of a sudden, then 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:44.639 hippies became dangerous, and you know, and they now you 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.760 didn't look at a hippie the same way because they 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.800 could be vicious killers. We were already doing things that 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.399 we were never hippies, you know, we were never you know, 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:02.119 peace love, and we were always more SWITCHBLADESNS and ferraris. Okay, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.080 you never went through that phase. I just want to 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.480 know if you ever had like a secret hippie phase. Never. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.640 Calico was so depressed because she says, I was born 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.880 in the wrong decade. I really wanted to be a hippie. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.240 Me too. I feel the exact same way. Her and 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.320 I are so similar. It's so funny. I really do 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:22.520 think in another life we are totally a lot of 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.960 bell bottoms. Yeah no, I love that, and I wish 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.639 I'd lived through that. But also just the manson that 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.040 whole time. I just wish I'd lived through that, just 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.720 to feel what happened. Because you were living in l 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.920 A during that time, right, we we actually were living 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.800 in to Panga Canyon and we used to see the girls, 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.720 all those girls at the general store. Wed go down 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.560 to get our mail, and they were always dancing in 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.879 the dirt and you know, with the flowers, and they 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.840 were just hippie girls. We just said, oh, hi, don dona, Hi, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.120 Hi Hi. Next thing, we said, I'm watching a TV 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.000 and there they are, you know, their murder, and I went, 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.080 that can't be the same girls, and that was the 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.680 same girls. I lived actually in Laurel Canyon right behind 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.240 that store, the one store that's still there, Yeah, the 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.800 Country Store. Yeah yeah, So like it's called the Door's House, 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:15.800 and then right next to it's the Eagles House. Is 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.119 so the legend goes the Eagles recorded in one, the 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.399 Doors recorded in the other, and up the street was 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:26.359 like the Frank Zappa House. And then I lived right 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:30.040 next door to Frank No, I lived right above him, 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:35.480 and Mickey Dolan's lived next door to me from the Monkeys. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.320 Oh yeah, it was a very cool time. Yeah, it 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.919 really was. But I just like I would totally be 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.240 a hippie. But then I also have a fascination with 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.960 like the occult and cults in general. And I could 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:51.600 see myself, I don't know, being like lured in by 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.199 this like hippies with naives thing. I don't think I 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.560 could ever murder anybody, but I would like definitely be 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.600 fascinated with it. Well, you know, most of these cults 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.600 were absolutely harmless. They were just a bunch of kids 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.800 that lived together in free sex and everybody eight meals 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.080 at the same time, and they were all on acid 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.600 and they were but None of them were really dangerous 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.000 until you get somebody that takes on the Messiah complex. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.320 And he took on the Messiah complex and started controlling, 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.400 and he was you know, he was much older than 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.359 these young girls are, and so he became the father figure. 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.920 And so everything that he said when they were on 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.960 drugs seemed like gospel. And that's why they that's why 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.359 they killed for him. Yeah, it's so crazy because sometimes 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.399 I think about how religion and rock and roll sometimes 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.520