Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith and
Speaker 1: Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, welcome is still
Speaker 1: the Place. It's very exciting.
Speaker 2: We are on our penultimate episode, our second to last
Speaker 2: episode of season one.
Speaker 1: Is that being an ultimate is? That's what penulty means.
Speaker 3: I think that the last words, I think is penultimate
Speaker 3: really second to last?
Speaker 1: It is. I feel like Laura might knows a different fact.
Speaker 3: I just had a different of penultimate, but I think
Speaker 3: the last believe I have it in my mind like
Speaker 3: an exaggerated es.
Speaker 1: I'll look at the den beyond. But what does it
Speaker 1: mean today as opposed to ninety ninety last? Right, thirty
Speaker 1: years ago?
Speaker 3: It meant something a little bit diminished last, but.
Speaker 2: One is a series of things second to last. So
Speaker 2: ladies learned something today.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even using it wrong? Wasn't this so I've never
Speaker 1: used it?
Speaker 3: To be honest, I'm going to start using it correctly
Speaker 3: and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Like just try to figure out how to use ironic
Speaker 2: properly and you just go down a rabbit hole of wait,
Speaker 2: that can't be right.
Speaker 1: Wait ruined it for everybody. This is a learning podcast
Speaker 1: for our listeners. It's a learning podcast.
Speaker 2: But this episode was so crazy, wasn't it crazy?
Speaker 1: So exciting? So we've got so I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a quick rundown just so we know.
Speaker 2: So we've got Billy and Allison coming home from their
Speaker 2: romantic weekend.
Speaker 1: Super sweet. They come in a motorcycle which I was
Speaker 1: sure was Joe and the model but was not.
Speaker 2: And then Amanda comes in sort of blows things up
Speaker 2: with some crazy news. Jake and Joe are in this
Speaker 2: weird thing with this really overly sexed model Karen, who's
Speaker 2: making her intentions for everybody known if you cross your path,
Speaker 2: she wants to have sex with you, and Michael is
Speaker 2: sort of having the consequences of being caught with Kimberly
Speaker 2: by Jane, and Jane finally gets a backbone, which is
Speaker 2: so incredibly satisfying. Okay, so satisfying, Yeah, so satisfying. So
Speaker 2: let's get Josey too, so much fun for jokes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she gets to do something different. So we start and
Speaker 2: this motorcycle pulls up Tomorrow's place. So surprised to see
Speaker 2: it's Billy and Allison, Well.
Speaker 4: You mean you're so surprised to see I'm jump you, Courtney,
Speaker 4: are jumping off of it.
Speaker 1: Uh so you did none of that.
Speaker 2: You just I'm pretending I'm coming back from the Sunday
Speaker 2: rides that you guys did without me.
Speaker 1: That's that's my backstory that I think I have seen
Speaker 1: this scene in the day.
Speaker 4: I would have invited you on our weekend real Harley rides,
Speaker 4: but we have time to watch.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, wait a minute here, all I could.
Speaker 3: I was just wondering, did you actually were you actually
Speaker 3: on the motorcycle for like the last half a block
Speaker 3: to like pull in, or did they put stunt people
Speaker 3: on and then you just stepped off in the clothes.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, Well, I don't know if Andrew, I
Speaker 2: don't remember if he could drive a motorcycle, it may
Speaker 2: have been me and a stunt guy, or probably Grant
Speaker 2: would have driven it. Right, it would have been me
Speaker 2: and Grip, But or maybe Andrew did it.
Speaker 1: We'll ask him when we see him.
Speaker 3: But you don't recall because I don't. I was watching
Speaker 3: it with that question, and I held my question till now.
Speaker 1: I was hoping, but I also was.
Speaker 4: Watching how they cut it, because usually it can either
Speaker 4: be like if you're able to, then you'll have the
Speaker 4: shot coming into the stop and then it won't cut
Speaker 4: and the actor will get off if you're able to.
Speaker 4: But a lot of times I'll cut that angle and
Speaker 4: Courtney and Andrew will just step.
Speaker 1: Off and already stop bike And I did you notice?
Speaker 1: I think that's what I saw.
Speaker 3: There was a cut, but I couldn't tell who it
Speaker 3: was in the wide versus then it was obviously you
Speaker 3: guys in the in the closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it was super cute and we take
Speaker 2: off our helmets and we kiss and it's super super
Speaker 2: sweet and yummy. And then Jake walks up and we
Speaker 2: did and Billy goes, don't want to know what happens.
Speaker 1: He goes, it's pretty clear since we are making out,
Speaker 1: I see what I can. I can, yeah, have eyeballs.
Speaker 2: So then Billy and Allison walk into their apartment and
Speaker 2: it's super cute and they're making out in the doorway
Speaker 2: and it's so cute, and then Alison they're finally kissing,
Speaker 2: like really kissing, really kissing, and then Alison of course
Speaker 2: loses her mind and says, Billy says, I'm even even
Speaker 2: repeating this line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a little demand it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we made love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had my PTSD with this whole situation is
Speaker 4: now you're going to find a reason to put a
Speaker 4: stop on it because we love so now we have
Speaker 4: to stop and consider everything and talk about it and
Speaker 4: make sure it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: You know, well I do. I say, I feel like
Speaker 1: we were really fast. It was like, really are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was what was to me.
Speaker 4: Besides she's silly, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: Besides saying we're moving so fast and like we made
Speaker 3: love like just cringee lines or whatever. But that you
Speaker 3: said the apartment makes you think that you're like being
Speaker 3: back in the apartment makes you think that you're moving
Speaker 3: too fast.
Speaker 1: And I'm like what why? And now it's not going
Speaker 1: to work out? Actually I know it should be.
Speaker 2: Well, here we are back at the apartment, let's do
Speaker 2: it before I go to work. Instead, gives him a
Speaker 2: peck on the cheek and she raises off to work,
Speaker 2: or Allison races off to work because she's stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least we all agree, very accurate. We all agree.
Speaker 2: We're all annoyed. We're like, make out with Billy for
Speaker 2: a second. You've waited we've all waited a year for this.
Speaker 2: You dope, you dope, all right. So anyway, now we're
Speaker 2: back in the hospital and Michael is asleep on an
Speaker 2: exam table, which we quickly figure out he's sleeping in
Speaker 2: the hospital because he's been kicked out of the house.
Speaker 2: Kimberly comes in and very like lovingly wakes him up
Speaker 2: and plays with his hair, and Michael is suddenly completely shifted,
Speaker 2: and now he's being mean to Kimberly and focused on Jane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems to finally have some guilt and well
Speaker 1: I think he's been caught in the act. Like that
Speaker 1: kind of wakes you up from your fantasy, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a reality consequences, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, consequences And Kimberlys saying, well, wait, what are we
Speaker 2: going to do? And then I wrote this on my
Speaker 2: phone what are we going to do? And he said,
Speaker 2: right now, we're watching a valve replacement.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, he's totally can from her,
Speaker 4: which I'm going, okay, I'll see I'll say it later.
Speaker 1: I saw like a little twinge in the Kimberly character change.
Speaker 4: I saw, oh, moment of future, like because she doesn't
Speaker 4: like being you know, brushed off like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's pretty sure here and for this episode like, oh,
Speaker 3: so you've been kicked out, so you know about us?
Speaker 1: It's still like what about me? What about us?
Speaker 3: This whole time and he's having his consequence guilt moment
Speaker 3: and she, Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's super valid because he's been saying this is different,
Speaker 2: like I'm crazy about you, this is magic, We're magic,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he's completely shut.
Speaker 1: Off to her. Yeah, yeah right, it's really so.
Speaker 2: So then Michael goes up, he gets called to the
Speaker 2: gets called to the front desk and they say, you
Speaker 2: have a call, and we see him walk out and
Speaker 2: there's Jane by the car with his bags.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with that depositing bug in the on the side, Yeah,
Speaker 4: on the parking lot, and.
Speaker 1: I'm delivering his stuff here.
Speaker 4: It is yeah, but it wasn't totally I don't know
Speaker 4: about you guys, but it wasn't completely obvious to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, is she moving? Is she leaving?
Speaker 4: Is she going back home? But then why would it
Speaker 4: be out? Maybe it was so obvious to you, But
Speaker 4: I was like until she says it in that you know,
Speaker 4: great line reading so strong.
Speaker 1: You know, here's your stuff. I'll get you the rest
Speaker 1: of the stuff. Yeah. Ready, she's finally mad.
Speaker 2: It was really satisfying, right, she's fine, tough and mad
Speaker 2: and getting rid of his stuff and saying this did
Speaker 2: really well.
Speaker 1: It made me feel for Josie, like you should have
Speaker 1: had more of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also liked like you said, like the
Speaker 3: reveal was at the end of the scene.
Speaker 1: As as the shot widens out.
Speaker 3: You see she's deposited the suitcases and his bags on
Speaker 3: the parking lot ground and she drives off, so she
Speaker 3: has delivered his stuff and she's like, you're out, and
Speaker 3: that's when it becomes clear what she intended.
Speaker 2: He literally has his head in his hands, like he
Speaker 2: literally has said in his hand. I love that. So
Speaker 2: now we're back at the courtyard. Joe and Karen walk
Speaker 2: in and I noticed that she's walking in. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can see her underwear through her dress, but only
Speaker 2: lasted a second because she immediately takes her dress completely off.
Speaker 1: She just takes her dress off, goes the pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she has no boundaries, She's just like she's
Speaker 2: completely right out there. Jake walks out and Joe's all
Speaker 2: over him. Karen is sort of making eyes. She seems very.
Speaker 1: Red in the pool in her la and Jake.
Speaker 2: Is giving her eyes, so I feel like he can't help,
Speaker 2: but look.
Speaker 1: I mean she makes signals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't help, but look she's there. She's very
Speaker 3: sexy and she's flirting and whatever. So he's trying to
Speaker 3: like get a sneak in and Joe's like, no, turning
Speaker 3: his head.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, don't look over there. Look here, buddy, eyes here, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bringing him aside. She's got a new like nude
Speaker 2: brawn panties.
Speaker 1: Lace too, yeah, lingerie, nude lace, high cut. Remember when
Speaker 1: the underwear was like totally high cut, like the leotards
Speaker 1: I do so wear our bathing suits. Yeah, everything was
Speaker 1: well that's what. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember the one pieces where the hips would literally come
Speaker 2: up almost to your arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we all had them. We all had them,
Speaker 1: and we all love them.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in D and D and Amanda
Speaker 2: and Allison seemed friendly until Allison mentions that she got
Speaker 2: the note from Billy after all and makes it clear
Speaker 2: that they had a night, and then Amanda says, I
Speaker 2: was only thinking of you, Allison because her stories that
Speaker 2: she's trying to protect her. Then she says that she
Speaker 2: really needs to talk to Billy and walks away, looking upset.
Speaker 3: This is the first scene I've seen and been like,
Speaker 3: Amanda is actually hurting, you know, I feel like here, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, we were questioning it last episode, like is
Speaker 3: she just being manipula or whatever.
Speaker 1: This is the.
Speaker 3: Scene where I felt like, no, she's this was she
Speaker 3: felt like she.
Speaker 1: Lost and it's it's sad for her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're still writing her with some vulnerability, which was cool.
Speaker 4: But I the top of the scene was so great
Speaker 4: because Corney, I mean, it must have felt so good
Speaker 4: to finally play that as opposed to.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, what are you doing? Oh you're one upping
Speaker 1: me again?
Speaker 4: You're like you say, literally it worked out for me,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, yeah no, And.
Speaker 1: By that I mean we made love. Yeah, we.
Speaker 4: Rose on the bed, and so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: finally she gets to go and we'll see how long
Speaker 4: that lasts.
Speaker 2: No, it was super satisfying to see it, and Alison
Speaker 2: gets about half a second to feel smug, So let's
Speaker 2: enjoy that little.
Speaker 1: Half a second for her.
Speaker 2: And I also thought, I agree with you that Amanda
Speaker 2: seemed authentically vulnerable and gorgeous. Yeah, like she's never looked
Speaker 2: better and this should be my moment of victory. But
Speaker 2: I've got on this great, big red suit and she's got.
Speaker 4: Like, come on, give me that, but well I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get Well, come on for you, because you're as big
Speaker 4: as that suit was. That red suit was. It was
Speaker 4: more spelt than the other the other suits you had.
Speaker 4: There was less fabric on this one. I felt like
Speaker 4: we pulled in a little tightly and it was kind
Speaker 4: of like shaped your shoulders.
Speaker 1: At least it wasn't like a parachute. I'm sorry, that's true.
Speaker 2: It's getting a little more I'm getting a little more sophisticated.
Speaker 2: And I also think you guys are right. You made
Speaker 2: the point that Alison is supposed to be like this
Speaker 2: Midwest girl and she's not a sophisticated So I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, we're in Talctor Denise soon. But bit by bit,
Speaker 2: she's getting a little bit more sophisticated and things are
Speaker 2: fitting a little bit better.
Speaker 3: And not just that, like she's not overt like she's
Speaker 3: you know, and I think Amanda is more likely to
Speaker 3: be a little bit more overtly, you know, tailored fitted
Speaker 3: and like figure.
Speaker 1: You know, form fitting clothing.
Speaker 3: I think that makes sense, and that you're just it's
Speaker 3: like a conservative and more conservative choice as the midwesterner
Speaker 3: that you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we made it clear Alison likes to take
Speaker 2: things slow. Yeah, and she likes made that clear.
Speaker 1: To take things slow with the man and her skirts
Speaker 1: going up inch by answers slowly too, so that will
Speaker 1: happen by bit by bit.
Speaker 2: Well, all three of us, Joe, you and me and
Speaker 2: and Heather all had these really long, straight skirts in
Speaker 2: this episode. It must have been very in at that time.
Speaker 2: It must have been all we all three had them. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we're back at the courtyard and Alison walks up
Speaker 2: to Jane who's cleaning the pool, and Jane is mad
Speaker 2: at everybody, and then Joe walks up, as luck would
Speaker 2: have it, with laundry and joins the conversation. Just as
Speaker 2: Jane says, you were right, Alison, Michael was having an
Speaker 2: affair m hm.
Speaker 1: But didn't Jane look cute in this like thermal top
Speaker 1: of those pink little roses and cut off jean shorts
Speaker 1: And she's like cleaning the pool and she's like, Michael's
Speaker 1: not around, you come to me with any of his shoes.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at the apartment building now, and
Speaker 1: she just walks off like she's taking care of business.
Speaker 1: I just love taking care of everything. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's tough and sable.
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm fine, it'll be great. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I completely believe you. But she did look gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she is.
Speaker 3: She is angry, like she feels like, hello, she's just
Speaker 3: not Yeah, but she's not exactly friendly with her friends.
Speaker 1: But she does look darn cute in those dinners. Well,
Speaker 1: I think she's beside herself.
Speaker 4: Frankly, if she if and that happened to any of us,
Speaker 4: I think you're just mad at everything and everyone. It
Speaker 4: wasn't like an aimed at us. Really, it was just like,
Speaker 4: I'm taking care of stuff. I'm cleaning the pool. You
Speaker 4: need anything, come to me, I'm out. Yeah, and she feels.
Speaker 2: Stupid, like she feels stupid and ashamed and embarrassed.
Speaker 1: And even though it wasn't she didn't do anything wrong, it's.
Speaker 2: A horrible feeling. Yeah, I think she's she's playing it
Speaker 2: just right. So Yeah, now we're back in Escapade Magazine
Speaker 2: and Billy's coworker Cameron is is teasing him about not
Speaker 2: being a good copywriter, but Billy is writing what.
Speaker 1: Looks like a poem on his computer. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to stick a pin in it.
Speaker 2: Just stick a pin in the poem, and we see
Speaker 2: a man. Cameron notices Amanda walk in. He goes up
Speaker 2: and hits on her, and she comes to Billy and
Speaker 2: gives him some news. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Amanda showed up at Billy's workspace looking how as
Speaker 1: ever as well, and Cameron notices it. Wow, okay, and
Speaker 1: her news tell us Courtney, Yeah, tell us her news. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm I was gonna let one of you guys do it.
Speaker 2: But he, she says, in his workspace, of all places
Speaker 2: in the open space. She tells him that she missed
Speaker 2: her period and took a home test like she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that she still.
Speaker 3: Has to confirm it with her doctor. Yeah, but her
Speaker 3: time is done the home test. Yeah, her timing, you know,
Speaker 3: she waits till after you guys.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Billy has sort of no reaction, sort of a.
Speaker 1: Y shunned I think sounned. I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although and you know our inclination is to go
Speaker 3: do we believe her? You know, to ask ourselves, is
Speaker 3: this real? Is this just a ploy?
Speaker 1: Is I didn't believe real at this point.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I think it's a natural question
Speaker 3: and to not, you know, to feel a little suspect
Speaker 3: about it. But she's at least been forthright to say
Speaker 3: I need to confirm it with my doctor, so that's
Speaker 3: not just saying, you know, I am, I am.
Speaker 4: But again, this is really like Melrosie, like, you know,
Speaker 4: you think this is gonna happen, then this happens, then this,
Speaker 4: you know, there's always like a problem with someone in
Speaker 4: the building causing another problem, like oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's super smart that they have her so
Speaker 2: vulnerable and relatable, Amanda, I mean, because it makes it
Speaker 2: more complicated than it would be if she just felt manipulated.
Speaker 1: But she doesn't.
Speaker 2: This is Heather does a great job in Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: kind of the one we're rooting for. Is Alison is
Speaker 2: super annoying. So speaking of annoying, Billy comes back into
Speaker 2: their apartment and Alison is making dinner and does not
Speaker 2: kiss him when he walks in. I'm just so annoyed
Speaker 2: with her, Like, didn't you guys just make love for
Speaker 2: the first time? So She's chatting about Michael and Jane
Speaker 2: and chut chut chut chut chat and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: she notices Billy hasn't come in the room, and she goes,
Speaker 2: are you going to join me?
Speaker 1: And he turns all those candles everywhere. There's candles everywhere.
Speaker 1: She's making dinner, shine, food, pouring wine.
Speaker 2: Adding about the day, pouring wine. Happy join her, and
Speaker 2: then Billy comes closer and tells her that Amanda is pregnant.
Speaker 1: I think Amanda is pregnant. It's not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Alison also tells him about the Michael and
Speaker 3: Jane news, so like she thinks, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: got this big news for you.
Speaker 1: Michael and Jane.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm split and Michael's She's kicked him out,
Speaker 3: and he's like, no, I need to tell you I
Speaker 3: can trump.
Speaker 1: I can trump that. Yeah, yeah, pregnant.
Speaker 2: And then Alison looks devastated, and Billy pulls her into
Speaker 2: a hug and over his shoulder, she says.
Speaker 1: It just isn't fair. Yeah, which is right.
Speaker 2: It's not it's true, but I mean, honestly, it's kind
Speaker 2: of not about her right now.
Speaker 4: But you know, I did what I did, what I
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, I just feel like Billy was
Speaker 4: a little wishy washy. He could have been more company,
Speaker 4: Like if it were Jaked, it would be like, you know,
Speaker 4: hugging her hard and understanding her. He's just more mature
Speaker 4: and then saying, look, nothing's going to stop get between us.
Speaker 1: I will take care of this.
Speaker 4: You're my number one. Don't even worry about it. Let's
Speaker 4: go make love, you know what I mean? Like he
Speaker 4: would just and I just felt like, Billy do more.
Speaker 4: But that's you don't say enough.
Speaker 2: Billy Nelison never ever ever say what they're actually thinking
Speaker 2: ever ever ever. It's very very frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the writers definitely give Billy a pickle, Like you
Speaker 3: could see that he was in a pickle, right.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say it, he doesn't say this is hard
Speaker 2: on it. He just gets really quiet. And that's a
Speaker 2: horrible feeling to be with. Somebody just gets quiet.
Speaker 1: By not saying enough. You say a lot, yes exactly.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in Jane's apartment. It's Jane's apartment
Speaker 2: now because Michael isn't there, and she's just crying. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: She's just crying good hutting the.
Speaker 3: Phone ring and ring and ring, so cutting back and
Speaker 3: forth to be Michael in a hotel, right, even.
Speaker 1: Back and forth.
Speaker 2: Then we go to Michael's hotel room and he's on
Speaker 2: the phone and that there's a knock on the door,
Speaker 2: and he gets up and fixes his shirt and you
Speaker 2: get the sense that he thinks maybe it's Jane.
Speaker 1: Well he's hung up.
Speaker 4: He's hung up the phone first, so he's on it.
Speaker 4: No one answers, and right doesn't he yes, okay, and
Speaker 4: then and then the yeah, so I'm just saying they're
Speaker 4: knock at the door.
Speaker 1: No one's on the other end when there's a knock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you think it feeling, didn't you think
Speaker 2: maybe he thought it was James.
Speaker 1: He got excited, he sort of buttoned up his shirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he opens the door and it's Kimberly and
Speaker 2: she's acting sort of happy because now the path is
Speaker 2: cleared for them. She goes, oh, look at you in
Speaker 2: your apartment. This is kind of a what are you
Speaker 2: doing in that? What are you doing in this hotel?
Speaker 2: When she's actively sort of like.
Speaker 1: Her such a cliche, she insults him and mocks him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that he's a cliche for being holed up
Speaker 3: in the hotel. It's like, hello, he's just you know,
Speaker 3: she's messed up his marriage and he's been kicked out
Speaker 3: of his home, so he has to be in this
Speaker 3: hotel if it's so rude to be like mocking him
Speaker 3: for that, and oh, you're at it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of like her tough side, you know, Like the
Speaker 1: character Kimberly.
Speaker 4: Is not a softie. She never she won't be, and
Speaker 4: she never was. I feel like and this is like
Speaker 4: her tough side. I feel like she's from New York
Speaker 4: or some like thing like that. You know, look at
Speaker 4: you like that's the way she's trying to bond with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's really the way to bond
Speaker 1: with a guy.
Speaker 3: Like and he's and he's finally in this scene really
Speaker 3: just saying he's suddenly sort of having a conscience, saying
Speaker 3: that he needs to try to save his marriage, and
Speaker 3: she just keeps being angry about that.
Speaker 1: And if I can, she says, she says.
Speaker 2: First before she gets mad, she says, I hate seeing
Speaker 2: you hurting, knowing it was partially my fault, Like partially
Speaker 2: what do you want?
Speaker 1: He kind of had a lot to do with it, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He kind of had a lot to do with it,
Speaker 2: and then he tells her that he wants to save
Speaker 2: his marriage. First, he says, I had nowhere else to stay,
Speaker 2: and you know, she's thinking stay at my place. She
Speaker 2: doesn't say it, but she's thinking stay at my place.
Speaker 2: But he wants to he wants to save his marriage.
Speaker 2: And he says, simperly, you're out of line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says very clearly to her, if if I'm
Speaker 4: going to try to save the marriage and if I
Speaker 4: have a chance with it, I can't see you.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 4: Then there's this moment I think where she gets a
Speaker 4: little glen close close on us on fatal attraction, and
Speaker 4: she that is where I saw the tweak in Marcia's eyes.
Speaker 4: I just saw, like what you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: I just a little bit of this sparkle of yeah,
Speaker 4: this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna end well for you, mister. So she
Speaker 1: was just like pissed in that moment of I will
Speaker 1: not be ignored. You are not gonna dump me.
Speaker 4: Even though it makes sense that if he wants to
Speaker 4: save his marriage, he.
Speaker 3: Can't see her, the way she catches it is like that, oh, Michael,
Speaker 3: you needed to be the center of everyone's life.
Speaker 1: You think you can mess with my feelings as.
Speaker 3: Like suddenly became about her feelings because he's ready to, like,
Speaker 3: you know, grow up and deal with his marriage that
Speaker 3: he's just destroyed. I was willing to shed a few tears,
Speaker 3: but I draw the line of groveling, she says, wow.
Speaker 2: But also he did sort of woo her and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's just a flipper switched.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, he went from hot to cold so fast, and
Speaker 2: I think she's confused, like she, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this is our clear road and he's gone, so she
Speaker 2: is mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they're both having sort of crazy reactions at
Speaker 3: different times.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well and they are on
Speaker 1: Melrose Place, so it all makes sense.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and it won't make it'll be something else
Speaker 3: next episode anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The last thing she says to him is I think
Speaker 3: you're threatened by anyone who is your equal, which is
Speaker 3: such an you know, an interesting thought for him. It's like, hmmm,
Speaker 3: does that are you saying that Jamee's not an equal?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, she is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's so young, right, because he's older and
Speaker 4: she's older.
Speaker 1: Kimberly's older, so she was saying that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then we're back at Billy and Allison's apartment and
Speaker 2: Billy comes out of his bedroom, I think, in his
Speaker 2: boxers and he sees Alison. She's already out the door.
Speaker 2: She's leaving in another bright red suit. So there's drama coming.
Speaker 2: She'ves in a bright red suit. And Alison runs into
Speaker 2: Michael in front of the building in his car, in
Speaker 2: his car, looking tired, and he's he has decided that
Speaker 2: he's going to get Alison speak to Jane for him.
Speaker 1: Didn't that feel weird?
Speaker 3: Why he was waiting for Alison out there just to
Speaker 3: ask her, Hey, I can't go in there and talk
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 1: You got to do this for me. I know she'll
Speaker 1: listen to you, but it's people because she saw him.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but now Jane knows, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Is I feel like it's very Michael, you know, like,
Speaker 4: go talk to her. You know, you're just a pawn
Speaker 4: in my game, You're just a chess piece. It was
Speaker 4: very Michael, not not like a normal person.
Speaker 2: Just using people to get When he says, I almost
Speaker 2: threw it away for a couple hours of lust and
Speaker 2: Alison goes, what is it with men and lust?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's hitting him? What is it with
Speaker 1: Alison and lust? But what is it? When is it?
Speaker 2: Alison could use a little more lusts my problem with Alison.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, Alison agrees to talk to Jane
Speaker 2: when she gets a chance. Maybe she just loves love her.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's trying to distract herself from her new relationship.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's because you said you
Speaker 1: said it earlier in another scene the last episode that
Speaker 1: they were the couple that kind of like was stable
Speaker 1: to you in your eyes, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was just like, Okay, I will you want
Speaker 1: that to be back together? You want to work out?
Speaker 1: That's all. That's a good point. That's very sweet that
Speaker 1: I was reading about them. That's a very side. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go with that. Okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in Joe's darkroom, and not surprisingly,
Speaker 2: Karen is standing way too close.
Speaker 1: She's always way too close. She's a close talker. She's
Speaker 1: a close talker.
Speaker 2: She leads with her breastsses and then she talks super close.
Speaker 2: So then she grabs Joe's Cameron starts taking her pictures,
Speaker 2: saying she could be a model.
Speaker 1: There's this flirty like so she grabs my camera and
Speaker 1: she's coming after me, Joe, and just like, don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not don't. It's super flirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very flirty, and I remember this whole
Speaker 4: storyline and it was kind of interesting to me, but
Speaker 4: also like a little uncomfortable. But I like uncomfortable when
Speaker 4: I'm acting, you know, I like something new. But I
Speaker 4: do remember getting a lot of attention from the gay world, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: Joe loved the gays and gay women loved Joe.
Speaker 3: That's what I Yeah, sure, well it's a very sexy.
Speaker 1: And this is the episode where, yeah, it's a.
Speaker 3: Very sexy, like question mark moment, like is this going
Speaker 3: to happen? And it's you know, it's a very sexy
Speaker 3: way to do it. And Karen is obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: interested in Joe, and you see Joe's sort of flirting
Speaker 3: back in a friendship way at first, and then you know,
Speaker 3: in the later scenes which we'll get to. It's just
Speaker 3: I think it's easy to see why people go, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to see that. I kind of want to
Speaker 3: see that relationship, you know, And yeah, Joe has to
Speaker 3: make it.
Speaker 2: Sure if Karen wants it, We have no doubt about
Speaker 2: what wants because in every scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that it was blocked so that
Speaker 1: they fall on the couch together and and there are
Speaker 1: they just two girls, Like can bond and talk like
Speaker 1: you can't with your boyfriend or is it becoming something more?
Speaker 1: All that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like more. And Karen invites Joe and
Speaker 2: Jake out for dinner.
Speaker 4: So walks in and Jake, of course, I mean, Jake
Speaker 4: is so good looking, it's obvious for someone like Karen
Speaker 4: that boy. Yeah, he's he's hot, and oh I like
Speaker 4: her too, Like to me, it's obvious.
Speaker 1: He walks in right then, doesn't he? No, not in
Speaker 1: this scene. They just decided to go out that night,
Speaker 1: just the two. Oh okay, okay he walks in another scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're all going to go out. They're going to
Speaker 1: invite Jake.
Speaker 2: You say, Jake doesn't really dance, but whatever, So all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's coming out on your girls' night
Speaker 2: and Karen clearly just wants everybody there all the time.
Speaker 2: So now we're back at D and D and Amanda
Speaker 2: is trying to talk to Alison but Alison is furious
Speaker 2: until she gets so excited she sees Billy walking. She
Speaker 2: goes Billy hi until he tells her that he's there
Speaker 2: to take Amanda, or she tells them that he's there
Speaker 2: to take her Amanda to that doctor.
Speaker 1: You had some great lines, Cory.
Speaker 4: You said things like, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 4: hear it, and I don't want to hear your business.
Speaker 1: It's none of my I don't want to know.
Speaker 4: You have to say, like three times right to Heather's face,
Speaker 4: I do not want to like you just or putting
Speaker 4: her in her place.
Speaker 1: You'd had enough, which I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: got to see the future seasons of cause you're feud
Speaker 1: and you're dynamic with Amanda. Goes on for years, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I got to see it.
Speaker 4: It's more even now boom boom, boom boom, and you
Speaker 4: were just like I've had it and you know you
Speaker 4: got the boy and even though she's tried to take
Speaker 4: them away again, but I liked it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Amanda Amanda on you.
Speaker 3: And also Amanda is telling Allison in this scene that
Speaker 3: it wasn't something that she planned and it wasn't it
Speaker 3: didn't wasn't meant to be a trap, like she you know,
Speaker 3: she acknowledges that Allison might be feeling those things and
Speaker 3: says it's not and whether or not Allison wants.
Speaker 1: To believe that she's still like I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to know. I don't want to But.
Speaker 3: It's it's the reality that Billy's come to step up
Speaker 3: and take her to the doctor.
Speaker 2: Is like, oh, and seriously, did he have couldn't they
Speaker 2: have met downstairs?
Speaker 3: Like isn't the couldn't they not on Melroy's place?
Speaker 1: You need to make it extra comfortable.
Speaker 2: But also isn't this something you should tell your partner, Like,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm coming to take my ex school
Speaker 2: friend to the doctor for me.
Speaker 1: Just head, just want to go, heads up, I'm coming
Speaker 1: to come right up to your desk. I'm coming to
Speaker 1: your desk to take her. I have to see you though.
Speaker 2: For the record, I'm coming to see my ex girlfriend
Speaker 2: and take her to the doctor for pregnancy.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, you guys aren't communicating, and then
Speaker 4: also that Michael and Jane are trying to learn to
Speaker 4: communicate better in this episode too, Like y'all are just
Speaker 4: not two couples are just not communicating at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's talking. It's so frustrating.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of bad communication, we cut right to the
Speaker 2: restaurant where Jane and Alison are at a table. Jane sare,
Speaker 2: Allison walks in. Jane is super happy, talking about how
Speaker 2: happy she is, how independent she is, and then Alison
Speaker 2: tells her, I asked you to lunch to talk to
Speaker 2: you about Michael, Like yeah, really, I'm just I would
Speaker 2: have been so mad if a friend ambushed me like.
Speaker 1: That, wouldn't you have been mad? Well?
Speaker 3: I didn't think her. I didn't think Allison's tone was ambushy.
Speaker 3: I think she was just like, I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: Do what I said I would do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not.
Speaker 1: You do what you need. But I just wanted to
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: You weren't doing anything like saying like like really should yeah,
Speaker 3: to cut her down or destroy her. You were more
Speaker 3: just saying, hey, is there anyway you know you guys,
Speaker 3: Michael wants Michael wants you to reconcile.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a messenger, you know. Like, Well,
Speaker 1: but imagine this scene.
Speaker 2: So imagine your husband or boyfriend cheats on you and
Speaker 2: you get a call from one of your best friends
Speaker 2: saying I want to take you to lunch. You meet
Speaker 2: them for lunch, and you think, oh good, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get some emotion important. They say, listen, I'm here
Speaker 2: as a proxy for butt head.
Speaker 1: Yeah be mad. I that's so mad. Well, it depends
Speaker 1: on how you say it.
Speaker 3: She wasn't proxying as much as just saying, I'm a
Speaker 3: messenger for this information. Here's what I know to be true,
Speaker 3: and here's what he wants to reconcile.
Speaker 4: She's you can saying I want you guys to reconcile,
Speaker 4: and Mychael and I are working on it, and you
Speaker 4: know I'm in on it.
Speaker 1: She's just saying he asked me.
Speaker 4: In other words, it could be an expression of his
Speaker 4: desperation for her love, so to say, look, I'm just
Speaker 4: sharing you that he's You guys are.
Speaker 3: Super on Michael's side and he's a buttead. I think
Speaker 3: that's the part that was left out of the dialogue,
Speaker 3: is that butt heead wants to reconcent Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I exactly think that's what was missing.
Speaker 3: I could fix the line if we just did it
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't mention how adorable her crocheted sweater oversized crocheted,
Speaker 4: like handmade looking sweater was pink or mauve?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We cut immediately to a restaurant at night where Michael
Speaker 2: is waiting for Jane. Wasn't that like such a fast cut?
Speaker 2: You're good to me? Directly from lunch to dinner with
Speaker 2: Michael and he says, there's a table, She says, let's
Speaker 2: just walk. Michael immediately starts with this new personality we
Speaker 2: haven't seen, telling her that he loves her and misses her,
Speaker 2: and he asks her forgiveness and another chance. He's a
Speaker 2: new Michael, sweetened contrite. And what do you think of
Speaker 2: new Michael?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love him, but you know, I'm like a
Speaker 1: joy it because it ain't lasting. And I love new
Speaker 1: Jane too. I love Jane going.
Speaker 4: Like Jane, there's a counselor we can go to, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna consider this, and I don't you know, She's
Speaker 4: just very like, don't get too comfy.
Speaker 1: With me talking to you anymore. We'll see. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to do this. You have to go to
Speaker 1: a counselor with me.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 1: So she brings it up to him I'm not sitting
Speaker 1: down with you. We're not gonna pretend everything's fine. We're
Speaker 1: gonna walk. I love that Jane too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and suggesting that they go to counseling, and she
Speaker 3: admits that she may never be able to forgive in
Speaker 3: the way that he wants to be forgiven. And you
Speaker 3: asked what I thought of Jane the new Michael.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't know if I'm just biased because.
Speaker 3: I know the Michael we're about to see is like,
Speaker 3: I don't know that I believe him, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know that I trust him even when he's like,
Speaker 3: quit acting contrite and like, do I trust this contrite?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be unbiased, but I might be biased too.
Speaker 1: I just like him in this moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a complete turnaround so fast. He does
Speaker 2: a great job, like Thomas did a great job. But
Speaker 2: it's my head is spinning right from the change in person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was so firmly entitled to his affair before.
Speaker 3: He didn't seem like he was a reluctant participant. He
Speaker 3: seemed like he was so all in, so to go
Speaker 3: from me back.
Speaker 2: Jane for so long, Yeah, trying he's shaving, she's trying
Speaker 2: to kiss him. He's turned her down for sex more
Speaker 2: times than they've had sex. Yeah, so the abrupt you're right,
Speaker 2: the abrupt extremes.
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't like it? Write boyfriend? Who doesn't
Speaker 1: like a guy coming up and going, what can I
Speaker 1: do anything? Okay, therapy, Okay, here, I'm taking you to dinner.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that. I think he's great,
Speaker 4: he's awesome. Maybe go do a little bad thing again
Speaker 4: so you can be like this. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: All right, you go ahead and trust him to have you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I trust him, I said, I liked him
Speaker 1: right now. Ahead.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of troubled relationships where no one's communicating, Luson
Speaker 2: is at the bar shooters, drinking of Martini. She's not
Speaker 2: happy with the Alice Billy walks up and Allison says,
Speaker 2: I assume from the long face that it's confirmed Alison
Speaker 2: is pregnant.
Speaker 1: And she's already drowning her sorrows in that Martine, And
Speaker 1: you have a great monologue here, great Molly, get up
Speaker 1: to leave. You look great with that Martini.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like you're growing up and you're being hardened,
Speaker 4: this hardened woman or something. But then you get up
Speaker 4: and you have this great monologue and I don't remember
Speaker 4: all the words except.
Speaker 1: That at the very end you say, we were so close. Yeah, Billy,
Speaker 1: we will.
Speaker 2: I kind of say a lot of very rude things
Speaker 2: that are none of my business about, but basically saying
Speaker 2: that that she should get an abortion, which is, yeah, Alison,
Speaker 2: that's not really your place to have a lot of
Speaker 2: opinions there. But she just look clearly she wants what
Speaker 2: she sees as a problem to go away, and she's mad,
Speaker 2: and she just sort of bidding.
Speaker 1: But I agree.
Speaker 2: There's that moment of vulnerability at the end where she
Speaker 2: says we were so close, and I.
Speaker 1: Think she just speaks for the whole audience and everything,
Speaker 1: because and you're so you say it's so honestly, and
Speaker 1: your eyes are watering, and we're like, yes, you are
Speaker 1: so close. I just thought it was great.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like one of these well, I you know
Speaker 4: that Melose has a lot of sort of defensive reactions
Speaker 4: to each other because we're all being screwed over one
Speaker 4: time or another. And then we I don't know, Joe
Speaker 4: walks out mad, Jake walks out mad.
Speaker 1: You know, you walk out mad. So I liked that
Speaker 1: it was just this vulnerable honesty that he has to
Speaker 1: deal with.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a sweet way to say it. Look they
Speaker 2: do like she does love him obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is then you.
Speaker 3: Know, the sort of the elephant in the room conversation.
Speaker 3: It isn't really her business, but she's asking anyway, you know,
Speaker 3: wondering if Allison, if Amanda even wants the baby, and
Speaker 3: then they're discussing the options that this might be an
Speaker 3: unwanted pregnancy.
Speaker 1: It's like making assumptions for Amanda that I don't know
Speaker 1: why you guys are saying it's not her business and
Speaker 1: she doesn't have can't have none of her business. I
Speaker 1: think it's totally her business. I think she totally has
Speaker 1: her right to.
Speaker 4: Say, you know, you need to take care of it,
Speaker 4: and Anna needs to take care of this unless you're
Speaker 4: going to go marry her, and you know we're involved
Speaker 4: now and you've been wanting this forever and now you
Speaker 4: have it, and you know, I have an opinion, I
Speaker 4: think she totally has a right.
Speaker 3: M Oh no, no, I don't think it is like
Speaker 3: to give to say, start speculating on Amanda's feelings, whether
Speaker 3: she wants the pregnancy or not, as like not there's
Speaker 3: to to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think her it would be Allison's place to say, Billy,
Speaker 2: where do you stand?
Speaker 1: Like, depending on what she chooses, right, where do you stand?
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she can have an opinion. And you know,
Speaker 4: listen here thirty years later, we're very objective and mature.
Speaker 1: And this and that and the other thing.
Speaker 4: But in that moment, if you're in your twenties, I mean,
Speaker 4: no one knows what she has a right to say,
Speaker 4: and she should say this and should say that. I
Speaker 4: think it's very I think it's anyway, it felt real.
Speaker 4: It felt normal to me.
Speaker 2: If it did feel real, she felt totally real. And
Speaker 2: she's upset and spouting off. I think it felt totally real.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, poor baby.
Speaker 2: So then, annoyingly for me, we cut to the marine
Speaker 2: air where Billy and Amanda are walking and talking and
Speaker 2: by the way, looking gorgeous like a perfect It's like
Speaker 2: they look way too good together. That's super annoying.
Speaker 1: I mean, on the marina, right, is this in also
Speaker 1: a lovely on the docks just setting?
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, Billy starts to tell her some
Speaker 2: of the options that Alison has mentioned, and Amanda says
Speaker 2: it's not a moral issue for her, but she's not
Speaker 2: open to abortion or adoption.
Speaker 1: She's very clear about it. She's going to have this baby.
Speaker 1: I know, I think so annoying. Yeah, and she says,
Speaker 1: I mean she she's really adding that they're both talking
Speaker 1: about themselves. No one's thinking about the baby, but they're
Speaker 1: both talking about themselves as if this is just a thing,
Speaker 1: and but it's really about us now, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be a human being in this world.
Speaker 2: Well, I think she's saying that. She says, I don't
Speaker 2: want you to abigate her a sacrifice. I think this
Speaker 2: is my responsibility. I never thought otherwise she's going to
Speaker 2: step up. Yeah, I think she's saying, I'm going to
Speaker 2: have this baby and take care of this baby.
Speaker 4: She says, because she has no idea that whether this
Speaker 4: child or not will want the biological father or the
Speaker 4: or any father figure. And she's just blatantly saying, like,
Speaker 4: whatever you decide to do.
Speaker 1: And I just felt like that was really irresponsible to
Speaker 1: have not even to have a discussion and just to
Speaker 1: That's why I think.
Speaker 2: She's defending right so she's afraid. She doesn't want to
Speaker 2: be vulnerable. She says to him, you're off the hook, Billy,
Speaker 2: go on into your life. You're romance with Alison.
Speaker 1: I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I think she's feeling on the outside. She doesn't want
Speaker 2: to ask. I think if she thought, like if she
Speaker 2: thought he would be with her, that would be a
Speaker 2: very different story. But she knows he's in love with Allison.
Speaker 2: So she's in a terrible position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's saying, you know, I don't want these options.
Speaker 3: I'm not considering abortion and I'm not considering adoption. Those
Speaker 3: are not options for me. That's her, you know, she
Speaker 3: stated her feelings very clearly at the top of the scene,
Speaker 3: and so you know, right then it's like, okay, then
Speaker 3: we're talking about a different scenario where Billy's you know,
Speaker 3: and she says, I don't need any anything from you.
Speaker 3: I got this, and that that changes the scenario that
Speaker 3: Billy has to consider. You know, it's not it's it's
Speaker 3: no longer. She's been very clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, the child. No one cares about the
Speaker 1: child right now, Well, she cares about the child. She's
Speaker 1: sayings she wants to keep the child. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but my opinion is that they're being both. She's being
Speaker 1: self centered. She didn't have a discussion with him.
Speaker 4: He's the father, he's the biological father, and he doesn't
Speaker 4: say to her, listen, this is Melrose Place.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why we're getting all serious.
Speaker 4: About it, but but I do feel like Amanda should
Speaker 4: there a moment. There's just it's just such a moment.
Speaker 4: There's not even a moment of like what do you
Speaker 4: want or what you know?
Speaker 1: Nothing, It's all like what about she told him and
Speaker 1: I think about him.
Speaker 2: His reactions have been more about Allison, and I think
Speaker 2: she's feeling defensive and sad because let's get married and raised.
Speaker 4: This it's all written beautifully for Melrose's Place and the drama,
Speaker 4: but I just everyone's so self centered in the show.
Speaker 3: Well, and she also she also just sort of moves
Speaker 3: past and it's like, Okay, that's that, and oh, by
Speaker 3: the way, my dad's coming down with the boat and
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell my dad and.
Speaker 1: I know he's going to be disappointed, and that's going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, one of.
Speaker 3: The hardest parts. But don't worry, Billy, you're off the hook.
Speaker 3: I'll be fine, and she's like, I got this and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, take care of tell me to
Speaker 3: that too.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in the therapist's office and it's
Speaker 2: with Jane and Michael. Did you guys notice I don't
Speaker 2: have you've ever done couples therapy? I have, but but
Speaker 2: Josie is so she's got her legs and arms crossed
Speaker 2: and she's holding a pillow like the body so perfect.
Speaker 2: I was like, she's been an uncomfortable couple therapy because
Speaker 2: I've hugged that same pillow turned away from my partner.
Speaker 2: Does not even remember that.
Speaker 1: Oh it was so that was so good.
Speaker 2: And she starts talking about She says, I've been so
Speaker 2: angry I can't talk to Mike and Hart to look
Speaker 2: at him.
Speaker 1: The therapist goes, okay, this is a good start. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, and time's up. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: all for today. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: But she does say that, you know, the living arrangements
Speaker 3: are up to you. You need to keep the lines
Speaker 3: of communication open, but the living arrangements, that's up for
Speaker 3: you guys to decide what to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wanted her to say take some space, which I
Speaker 2: think would be a lot healthier. I think a good
Speaker 2: therapist would say, like take thirty days, take a breath,
Speaker 2: figure out what you both want, take some time apart.
Speaker 1: But I guess we get them back in the same apartment.
Speaker 3: Maybe, No, we we only have one more episode less
Speaker 3: than this season, so we need we had to create.
Speaker 1: Some drama, that's all. Yeah, we did need.
Speaker 3: And then and Jane is already like even on the
Speaker 3: way out, she says she's willing to let Michael move
Speaker 3: back in but on the game, as long as he
Speaker 3: sleeps on the couch. And he's of course thrilled. So
Speaker 3: that like all happened very quickly, and that was obviously
Speaker 3: the point of the scene is to get him to
Speaker 3: be back on the couch by the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he goes, that's great, I'll cook, Like are
Speaker 1: we at cooking? What happened? Are we? A? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But he's acting like everything's fine. He gives her a
Speaker 2: big kiss on the cheek. He's thinking he's back in.
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, except so that when they leave, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I wrote down his first line.
Speaker 4: She's like, well, I like her, and the woman wants
Speaker 4: them to come twice a week, and his first line
Speaker 4: is Jane says, I really like her.
Speaker 1: And then Michael goes, it's a long drive for two
Speaker 1: times a week, and I thought that too, likes hilarious.
Speaker 1: How's he going to do that? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was hilarious, Like y'all do anything anything,
Speaker 4: but you know, you know, it's always like the way, but.
Speaker 1: Give mean everything to me. Nothing else is important. But
Speaker 1: can we do once a week? It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit someone who really wants to look at his part.
Speaker 1: I love that line. A long drive for twice a week.
Speaker 1: It was right. If it's anywhere near la Is, He's
Speaker 1: right it twice a week is a lot. That's a
Speaker 1: lot for couple's therapy. There was no zoom back, no zoom.
Speaker 3: They get a zoomed from him and him on the
Speaker 3: couch and heard that he could be at the hospital
Speaker 3: with kimberly looking right.
Speaker 1: On the corner, rubbing his hair as he talked, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, sharing a sandwich in that bunk like they
Speaker 1: usually do. And Jeane's like, are you alone over there?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Hilarious.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in Joe's apartment and Joe is
Speaker 2: trying to get ready.
Speaker 1: This is when you.
Speaker 2: Have the skirt suit on. Like Alison had a red
Speaker 2: skirt suit and a long shirt. Now you have a
Speaker 2: black one, very elegant long skirt with a really fitted
Speaker 2: suit jacket, super elegant. And I'm ranting and talking and talking,
Speaker 2: talking about everybody told me, everybody told me to do it.
Speaker 2: And then Joe goes, why don't you just admit it, Alison,
Speaker 2: you're in love and I love my reading this and
Speaker 2: went no.
Speaker 4: But meanwhile Joe's like putting on makeup and getting dressed
Speaker 4: and grabbing your stuff. And I thought she was just
Speaker 4: a really lame friend with advice with with just general advice.
Speaker 1: It was really lame in this moment. I thought, did
Speaker 1: you feel that way? Did you? Guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was like being really situation yeah, not situation specific,
Speaker 3: it was just in general. Oh it just admitted you
Speaker 3: love him. Can we not talk about you anymore? It's
Speaker 3: sort of like a.
Speaker 1: Dismissive I have it. I might have a date with
Speaker 1: a model and my boyfriend, so you know, leave me
Speaker 1: alone and we'll get back to you.
Speaker 2: I've got a threesome. I've got to.
Speaker 3: Forget about your problems and they're partying problem.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was lame, because you know, Joe's
Speaker 2: been listening to this for a year.
Speaker 1: That's true. We're finally doing it, and you're like, you're
Speaker 1: in love. Stop it, you're in love. Talk to him.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably feeling like, talk to him, not me, right,
Speaker 2: It would have been a great line, but then we
Speaker 2: have to have all these miscommunications.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I felt like. And I thought you.
Speaker 2: Were going out for this weird evening with Jake and
Speaker 2: the hot model, which.
Speaker 3: She's very distracted by.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited by, super excited. Jake comes to the
Speaker 1: door annoyed, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: So last time he's trying to sneak a look at
Speaker 2: the naked half naked.
Speaker 1: Model in the pool.
Speaker 2: Right now, he's annoyed that they're going out with the
Speaker 2: hot model. He's kind of very confused about where he stands.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, Yeah, this is where he walks in and
Speaker 4: he's super cute. Joe's like dying to share him with
Speaker 4: this model, and that's the part I don't get.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know how every guy hates to share
Speaker 2: his girlfriend with a hot model.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I would have be sharing him with anybody.
Speaker 4: These are not your typical what do they call it
Speaker 4: now when you have multiple people in the relationship polyamories,
Speaker 4: rupple polyamorous. They're not your basic polyamorous sort of type.
Speaker 4: We're all uncomfortable with them.
Speaker 2: Although he's confused because he was looking at her and
Speaker 2: you're all flirting and you're sitting with anyway, it's I'm
Speaker 2: very confused. There's a lot of mixed signals.
Speaker 1: This is the show. This is the episode of mixed signals.
Speaker 1: We're very confused.
Speaker 2: So Alison leaves after they take off, Alison leaves and
Speaker 2: she sees Billy on his way out.
Speaker 1: Of the apartment.
Speaker 2: They meet in the courtyard and again nobody's communicating, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm just going out for a bit, and
Speaker 2: there's this weird, awkward thing and you don't ask her
Speaker 2: Amanda situation, and he leaves without giving her a kiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're comforted or telling her where anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: So now we're at the we're at the nightclub and Karen, Jake,
Speaker 2: and Joe are sort of snuggled up on the railing
Speaker 2: and Karen is sexy dancing with dirty dancing.
Speaker 1: I guess we called it with some guy.
Speaker 2: By herself or some guy near people who knows it
Speaker 2: is actually with people, But she doesn't care who it is.
Speaker 1: She just goes. He just rubs up against whoever's there.
Speaker 2: She goes and takes Jake out for a dance, and
Speaker 2: they're dancing too sexy, and Joe's trying to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on them, and then she takes him to the
Speaker 2: side and kisses him and excuse me, he kisses.
Speaker 4: Her back back, yeah, with his hand around her head
Speaker 4: up against the wall and Joe.
Speaker 1: You see the shot of Joe trying. There's hands and
Speaker 1: bodies and you just see her like trying to see
Speaker 1: where trying to peek around and get a view of her.
Speaker 1: She can't see anything, but it's not that far away.
Speaker 3: It's just like around a corner or something. And she
Speaker 3: just grabs him, and Karen just grabs Jake and kisses him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But he kisses her back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He doesn't break away immediately, not only doesn't break away,
Speaker 2: like there's a super hot kiss between the two of them.
Speaker 2: And then she says, Joe won't mind. He goes, maybe
Speaker 2: I do, and it's like, well, apparently not because.
Speaker 3: Just after this one, then I mind, what was in
Speaker 3: the last episode.
Speaker 4: I saw you resisting her all over this damn place.
Speaker 4: I hand his hand around her head and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw you not liking it at all, mister liar.
Speaker 3: But then he does like push her away and she's
Speaker 3: your way, goes to find Joe and say we're leaving,
Speaker 3: and Joe says, I'm not leaving my drunk friend.
Speaker 1: Right smart. I thought that was caring. So she stays
Speaker 1: behind like she hasn't kissed me yet, so I'm not
Speaker 1: leaving Jake. I'll let you know when I'm riking, not yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he leaves, like he leaves Joe there with Karen,
Speaker 2: which I thought was so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made it more about it.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: He was more incensed that Karen tried to kiss him,
Speaker 3: like how dare she?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Of here her back and then he storms off.
Speaker 1: Don't care what happens to Joe, but I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: But you know, they just the writers.
Speaker 4: We just needed now in the sexy environment, we need
Speaker 4: the two girls alone without yet.
Speaker 1: Around, so they are alone. Yeah on the sexy now
Speaker 1: they're alone.
Speaker 2: So now we cut to Amanda's apartment and Billy walks in,
Speaker 2: and I can't tell if Amanda is expecting and or not.
Speaker 2: She goes hello, Bill and he walks in and there's
Speaker 2: Amanda's dad, and Billy takes Amanda aside and says he
Speaker 2: wants to keep the pregnancy quiet until he knows where
Speaker 2: he stands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that he hasn't decided what to do, so
Speaker 3: let's not talk about this yet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was so mad for Allison. I'm super
Speaker 1: uncomfortable now. So now, Daphne, we're back in the club. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're sitting on the sofa and hot.
Speaker 4: Karen Link keeps leaning in and talking about Jake or
Speaker 4: I don't even know what she's talking about. I'm just
Speaker 4: looking at my double chin going a bad position. Daphne's aniga,
Speaker 4: lift your chin up and stay in the profile, and
Speaker 4: she's comes in for the kiss, and then right as
Speaker 4: it happens, I remember doing this, I turn away and
Speaker 4: she says and Joe says, I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 1: Just not me. I thought it was or could have been,
Speaker 1: but it's just not. And then Karen's like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't know unless you try it. She's like, no, I
Speaker 1: know anyway, So that's that moment.
Speaker 2: So do you think Joe was thinking maybe? Do you
Speaker 2: think that's why Joe stayed because she was thinking maybe?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, but I didn't see it in
Speaker 1: my performance.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it either though the way you just said,
Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe she stayed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like if she thought that it was her,
Speaker 3: it wasn't apparent, like you know, the dialogue is, I
Speaker 3: thought maybe this was me, but like what you just
Speaker 3: wanted to get to that point, and then now that
Speaker 3: you are at that point, you're sure that it's not
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like nobody could see that you were really entertaining
Speaker 1: it necessarily.
Speaker 3: It was like it was all going over your head
Speaker 3: until the moment that it happened, and then then you're like, oh, no.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm here for or whatever. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: in my memory of playing it, I thought Joe was
Speaker 1: interested and curious. But now that I see my performance,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't look interested, Like you don't look
Speaker 1: like it could be you. If she's very thin.
Speaker 2: I think you played that for the episode. Like I
Speaker 2: think there was a playing and the flirting and you're
Speaker 2: letting her get close.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was in the episode. It was definitely like,
Speaker 1: you know, two beautiful women.
Speaker 3: It was sexy and you're like, oh, is she gonna
Speaker 3: And I would not have been surprised if you had
Speaker 3: kissed her. I would not have been surprised if the
Speaker 3: character show had kissdur.
Speaker 1: In that moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, and so I certainly thought it could
Speaker 3: go that way. And what I also found interesting about
Speaker 3: the scene is like, you know how we have to
Speaker 3: shoot scenes and noisy dance clubs and we have to
Speaker 3: shout all our dialogue and or at.
Speaker 1: Least talking a loud voice.
Speaker 3: They asked us to you guys were it was so
Speaker 3: soft and intimate, and yet there's this in the background, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like loud dance music, and it was just a very
Speaker 3: intimate I.
Speaker 1: Know you have in the real life. He was like,
Speaker 1: I want to kiss you, now what I'm glad you
Speaker 1: guys learning. How do you know unless you.
Speaker 2: Try it and you know when you're doing it, they're
Speaker 2: not going to turn the music up high enough.
Speaker 1: You know when you're doing it, you're an idiot, exactly.
Speaker 2: It always that way. So now we're back in Billy
Speaker 2: and Allison's apartment. Allison is super sad on the couch
Speaker 2: and I don't know how she knows this, but she says,
Speaker 2: why couldn't you just tell me that you were going
Speaker 2: to her apartment? How does she know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does she follow him?
Speaker 3: Because she didn't have to find my friends?
Speaker 1: And so you're right, right, this is pretty snapyo. We know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how she knew, but she knows.
Speaker 2: And then Billy says, I didn't want to hurt you.
Speaker 2: But Allison is super upset, and she says, you feel
Speaker 2: obligated to refine, but what about me?
Speaker 1: You finally stand up for yourself that you have an
Speaker 1: investment in this we're upset. Yeah, yeah, just because you're
Speaker 1: not the pregnant one does not mean you are not
Speaker 1: equally invested in this whole debacle thing that happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's super upset, and then Billy says, finally,
Speaker 2: he says, can't you see that I hate myself for
Speaker 2: this whole pathetic mess.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it has to change what's going on
Speaker 1: with you and me.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lose you. And then Alison, damn
Speaker 2: it says it's too late.
Speaker 1: Billy, you already have.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, like, there's no sense of
Speaker 2: them working through this together. Although I'm still mad at
Speaker 2: Billy for telling Amanda that he doesn't know where he
Speaker 2: stands yet, I just have.
Speaker 1: In my note no, yeah already. I like the last
Speaker 1: scene when you say we were so close, build on that, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So now we're on the street and Jake and Billy
Speaker 2: are walking and Billy is kind of too casual at this,
Speaker 2: but he mentions that a man is given him permission
Speaker 2: to walk away, and Jake says, he mentions that he
Speaker 2: has a son, and he gives him really good advice,
Speaker 2: which is, if you walk out of this now, you
Speaker 2: don't get a second chance.
Speaker 1: That kid is hers m.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you might raise your chance at all with
Speaker 3: the kid. Yeah, And that he didn't have a chance,
Speaker 3: he wasn't even told, he wasn't given the opportunity, and
Speaker 3: he doesn't want Billy to have the same missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're sort of out on Billy thinking about that,
Speaker 2: and then we're back in Jane and Michael's apartment. Jane
Speaker 2: says she's going to the Big Michael offers to go
Speaker 2: with her. To open the lines of communication. Then he
Speaker 2: gets a call from the hospital and Jane has a
Speaker 2: reaction going to the hospital. Of course she does, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: because that's just happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, PTSD exactly, that's what has PTSD.
Speaker 2: And he of course gaslights her and acts like she's
Speaker 2: crazy for suspecting her.
Speaker 1: And then didn't you have that moment of there he
Speaker 1: is there, He is right, Michael. Michael doesn't take much. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much.
Speaker 3: And again Jane looks completely adorable getting ready for the
Speaker 3: beach and the cutest turquoise like sort of a wrap
Speaker 3: top with ruffles and it's cropped and you can see
Speaker 3: your cute little flat belly's and you're just like.
Speaker 4: She's getting ready for the beach. The last time we
Speaker 4: saw the beach, it was Michael and Kimberly and they
Speaker 4: were together.
Speaker 1: And all in love.
Speaker 4: Now we have the wife like going to the beach.
Speaker 4: She's gonna be all by herself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was so sad that this is just wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wants to get out, and so he blames her,
Speaker 2: and he says, you could at least make an effort,
Speaker 2: and she goes, you're the one who screwed up, not me,
Speaker 2: So just go to the hospital and leave me alone,
Speaker 2: and wrote, I love mad Jane.
Speaker 4: I love thank you, Melrose writers thank you, and she's
Speaker 4: saying all the right things.
Speaker 1: Oh yes.
Speaker 2: So they get to the hospital and Michael runs in
Speaker 2: and there's an emergency and Kimberly's putting on a cast
Speaker 2: and she has this little, perfectly placed spot of plaster
Speaker 2: on her beautiful skin setting a broken arm, and then
Speaker 2: he wipes her face gently.
Speaker 1: And now they're flirting again.
Speaker 2: Like the second Jane turns, he's Factor's old tricks. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, this happens so fast in this episode.
Speaker 3: And it was like the putting the plaster on the
Speaker 3: patient's arm together, it was like a little bit of
Speaker 3: a ghost moment.
Speaker 1: Did you guys get that, Like the the you.
Speaker 3: Know, the their hands are in the plaster and whatever,
Speaker 3: and like that was enough for them.
Speaker 2: To like, I see you and like, well, I think
Speaker 2: it's really that Jane is standing up to him and
Speaker 2: he's like, might not be efforts and reality, yeah, Jane
Speaker 2: is stronger than he thought she was going to be.
Speaker 2: So we're back end Billy and Allison's apartment. Allison is
Speaker 2: tidying up and finds a piece of paper on Billy's floor,
Speaker 2: and it's the.
Speaker 1: Isn't that so cute? Should I read it to Alison? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to read the poem? Because I
Speaker 1: thought it was so true? But don't you think it's interesting?
Speaker 4: She's cleaning his Billy's room, she was going to do
Speaker 4: his laundry.
Speaker 2: She's showing him she loves me like a mommy clean?
Speaker 1: Is the cute little poem that she finds? Alison?
Speaker 2: In my arms, asleep on my shoulder, endless night and dreaming,
Speaker 2: mourning dreams that come true, they really do come true.
Speaker 2: So now we're lying, isn't that so sweet? So she
Speaker 2: finds this so you know, clearly she's thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: we're in love. But then we cut to the damn
Speaker 2: Marina and Billy approaches Amanda at her father's boat and
Speaker 2: he tells her that he'll be there for her all
Speaker 2: the way through this thing.
Speaker 1: What is this? So? What does this mean? You guys?
Speaker 1: What is he saying? Don't know? Really, okay, don't know,
Speaker 1: but we're furious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that he doesn't want to be left out of it,
Speaker 3: and that he wants to be there for her, and
Speaker 3: and uh, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, based on Jake's talk.
Speaker 4: Jake's talk made him think, like, don't count me out,
Speaker 4: because then I won't ever get in.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm going to be in, right, But
Speaker 1: he still wants to be with Alison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, based on his own, you know, mixed up feelings
Speaker 3: and stuff, and that conversation probably triggered it that he
Speaker 3: wants to be there for And we don't know exactly what.
Speaker 1: That all means. But she's thrilled to hear him say that.
Speaker 1: She's so thrilled.
Speaker 2: She hugs him and she says, you're here now, that's
Speaker 2: all that matters.
Speaker 1: M m yeah, And then she says, get on the boat.
Speaker 1: He invites him to go on the boat, and I
Speaker 1: was dying.
Speaker 2: Luckily he doesn't go in great ending you is can
Speaker 2: be on the dock.
Speaker 1: And is super cute foot walks after the boat and
Speaker 1: she's pulling away. Yeah, I love the way that was shot.
Speaker 2: Great watching her pull away and all I can think
Speaker 2: about is poor Alison home with that poem, thinking it's
Speaker 2: gonna be okay, It's going to be okay.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, and then he walks all the way to
Speaker 4: the end of the dock and he leans against that
Speaker 4: piling just that.
Speaker 1: Great look like yes, his jeans and T shirt.
Speaker 3: And we literally don't know until the last minute if
Speaker 3: he's just going to leap onto the boat, because they
Speaker 3: timed it so that the boat is parallel to the
Speaker 3: dock and he's walking with it, walking with it, and
Speaker 3: then the boat starts to go wing.
Speaker 1: There's still time he can jump on.
Speaker 3: And at the very last one that you see now
Speaker 3: the boat has pulled away and he's chosen.
Speaker 1: It's the right thing, so perfect, So Alison doesn't have
Speaker 1: to worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's there, he's watching her, And all we
Speaker 2: can think about is for all we all of us, everybody,
Speaker 2: not just me, can think about it, poor Alison and everybody.
Speaker 3: And we still have one more episode to find out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it hard to stop this time? It was
Speaker 1: still hard to stop. But I'm excited.
Speaker 3: We have a season finale as our last recap. But
Speaker 3: of course on Melrose minutes and thanks everybody for.
Speaker 1: Listening, Thanks everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, I can't wait to see you guys soon. Yay,
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Speaker 3: Yeah,