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Speaker 1: super Bowl. We're going to the super Bowl. Bye bye, Mexico.
Speaker 1: Can you still cancel us? No? I can't, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to cancel them. I'll take the L we
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. I will take the L
Speaker 1: on that. I'll take that hit to the pocket book.
Speaker 1: Delay that trip for later. How you fellas doing great? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nate lost some weight Monday. Nate lost a lot of weight. Nate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nate crash dieted over the weekend. So Jesse, how you doing? Listen? Man?
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Speaker 1: But we have a very special guest in studio. Oh, Mariopps,
Speaker 1: how you doing, Omar? I'm good fellas good good. Went
Speaker 1: to the game yesterday, went to the game yesterday. Good
Speaker 1: luck charm. It's a great uh knock on wood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every time we come, we win. So we'll see you
Speaker 1: with Phil yea. All right, so let's let's jump right
Speaker 1: in it. Your take coming into this game as a fan, lifelong,
Speaker 1: huge Cowboys fan, What was your take coming into this game?
Speaker 1: You were at the game, and then what was the
Speaker 1: vibe after the game? My take coming in uh was
Speaker 1: I wanted us to make a statement. I wasn't cool
Speaker 1: with just to win. I was like, we need I
Speaker 1: need to see the team, you know, not the potential,
Speaker 1: Like we need to see it. And watching the game,
Speaker 1: it was just like, Okay, this is this is the
Speaker 1: team that we believe is there and you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: for me, the mindset is like everybody's being nitpicky about
Speaker 1: getting in the playoffs and all of this, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we gotta go on a run, Like yeah, we have
Speaker 1: to have the mindset of we need to go six
Speaker 1: and oh and then see what happens after that. So
Speaker 1: we want to know now and let's let's see how
Speaker 1: we ride. None. Let me ask you this question as
Speaker 1: the game was happening. You're there, you're in person, you're alive,
Speaker 1: and you've seen what this season has been all year long,
Speaker 1: up and down roller coaster ride. At what point in
Speaker 1: time of the game did you feel comfortable with two
Speaker 1: minutes now? This game was one? What was that? It
Speaker 1: was one play? Well, my guys came with me to
Speaker 1: the game. We were all like, no, you need to
Speaker 1: score again, to score again, score again. I forget. It
Speaker 1: was somewhere in the third quarter. But you know, um,
Speaker 1: I mean golf didn't look too good man, he looked
Speaker 1: kind of off. He missed a couple of passes, and
Speaker 1: that the first quarter that it might have been a
Speaker 1: different game. Yeah. I thought the d played solid. They
Speaker 1: were consistent. I was most impressed by um Kellen Moore's
Speaker 1: uh he adjusted, you know, because those first two series
Speaker 1: was like, oh, come on, let's not do this again.
Speaker 1: Just run the ball, dude, anyone knows what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Just to do it, you know, you man up and
Speaker 1: moved those men, and once we got to that, and
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of little cute plays here and there.
Speaker 1: But I thought he made some good adjustments after the
Speaker 1: first two drives offensive drives. You know, I went into
Speaker 1: this game and I tried not to psych myself out
Speaker 1: because I was like, this game doesn't really matter, like
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: the closer it got to game time, this game mattered
Speaker 1: a lot. And not on paper because you still you
Speaker 1: beat the Eagles, you beat the red Skins in your end,
Speaker 1: whether you'd want to lost this game, right, but this
Speaker 1: game meant a lot because they needed this game to
Speaker 1: prove to themselves we can beat a good team. We
Speaker 1: haven't beat a good team all year. To me, beating
Speaker 1: a team and beating them the way they did, like
Speaker 1: this could be huge. Like I still don't think anybody
Speaker 1: no but this, but see, all right, this is where
Speaker 1: I get a little bit. I get a little frustrated,
Speaker 1: and people come down on me because they always say
Speaker 1: I'm negative, Nancy, I'm just the voice of reason. I'm
Speaker 1: the voice. I'm the voice of reason. This is the
Speaker 1: part where I get a little bit upset because we
Speaker 1: watched this team play yesterday and you're saying Tony Pollock bawling, charling, bawling,
Speaker 1: even the old men of the backyard, Winton, balling, Swan
Speaker 1: leave and you I get so frustrated. I'm saying, where
Speaker 1: the hell is this? Where has it been all year? Like?
Speaker 1: If they played like this last last night against the Packers,
Speaker 1: they went right against the Orleans they went they beat
Speaker 1: the Jets by fifty. They play like this, they beat
Speaker 1: they beat every they beat just about every single too.
Speaker 1: That's the part that's frustrating, because I don't know where
Speaker 1: to point the finger. I was. I was at a
Speaker 1: charity event a couple a week of ter ago one
Speaker 1: of the prominent players on this team, and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, well, what's the issue, and he was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because we look at it and we
Speaker 1: go we have everything here, but we can't put our
Speaker 1: finger on what's wrong. And then they go out and
Speaker 1: they play like this, and now everyone's like super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Lets like we forgot about what happened three weeks ago
Speaker 1: and That's the frustrating part because I'm sitting there saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're seven and seven, and we were more we were
Speaker 1: more like we were three weeks ago than we were tonight.
Speaker 1: There's more there's what we saw three weeks ago. There's
Speaker 1: more evidence of that on film than there is what
Speaker 1: we saw last night and against Philly. This is the outlier,
Speaker 1: right So now I'm saying, what team packed, what team
Speaker 1: will be packed on that plan to go to Philly
Speaker 1: next week. That's a good question. I think. I think
Speaker 1: you can attribute it to to something or someone or
Speaker 1: a group of people, and to me, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: the coaching, it really is, you know, and not knocking Garrett,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying as a fan, you know, watching
Speaker 1: from the outside, teams take on the attitudes of their coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, or coaching staff, and so that sort of
Speaker 1: lasa fair. You know, the last three weeks, U you know,
Speaker 1: we're coming in, we're big shots, and you know, we
Speaker 1: have a good first drive and then we get punched
Speaker 1: in the mouth. It's a difference. Backs up against the
Speaker 1: wall right now. You know, jobs seem like they are
Speaker 1: on the line right now. He's a group of grown
Speaker 1: men trying to feed their families. And that's what I
Speaker 1: saw in the field yesterday, like all the hype is
Speaker 1: out the window. We need to go out there and
Speaker 1: really perform, and they need to, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you to your point? How do you you know, pack
Speaker 1: that attitude did and get on a plane and let's
Speaker 1: get on this run. That's interesting to me because I
Speaker 1: almost took an opposite point of view and that I
Speaker 1: thought when I was watching that game with the man,
Speaker 1: these guys are playing so much more aggressive, so much
Speaker 1: harder to me, and I was in my mind, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what what did the coaches say to you know, flip
Speaker 1: that switch? They showed the highlight film, but hey, I
Speaker 1: want if it works, everybody's knock something. It was different,
Speaker 1: But to me, I thought it came from within. I thought,
Speaker 1: the players are doing this the coaches. What could the
Speaker 1: how could the coaches get them to play harder? We
Speaker 1: talked about that some last week. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they could have and whatever the reason, the players they
Speaker 1: took it up a notch. I thought, yeah, but how
Speaker 1: do we This is my things as a as a
Speaker 1: formal player, right and you and I had this conversation
Speaker 1: UM pre show last week, and I think it was
Speaker 1: Nick Saban Bill Belichick's head it You don't have to
Speaker 1: motivate a lion to kill, right, that's true. Right, So
Speaker 1: why does my back have to be the wall? Why?
Speaker 1: Why does my back has to be against the wall
Speaker 1: for me to come out and play like this? Why
Speaker 1: why do I have to be embarrassed for four three
Speaker 1: or four weeks in a row, three and seven in
Speaker 1: the last or four and seven in the last eleven
Speaker 1: games for me to have to come out and play
Speaker 1: like this? You see what I'm saying. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's where the fraudulent play comes in the part for me, it's, oh,
Speaker 1: I got my backs against the wall. My job's on
Speaker 1: the line. This, all these other factors have to come
Speaker 1: into play for me to step up and go. All right,
Speaker 1: now to time for me to go and be a dog. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to motivate a lion to kill. But
Speaker 1: you know a lion can't kill if he's caged. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying that in the sense of you gotta put
Speaker 1: these guys in the right position, you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, and then they can
Speaker 1: use their talents. You know, to your point, I thought
Speaker 1: the guys were playing a lot harder. They were also
Speaker 1: playing as a group, you know, on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball, especially on defense, it seemed like it was
Speaker 1: one body moving around versus you know, different bodies moving around,
Speaker 1: and that I haven't seen that in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: You know. It just seemed like everybody's out there doing
Speaker 1: their own thing. And when we have that type of
Speaker 1: synergy and that type of gel, you know, who knows.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not gonna you know, we're not saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to the super Bowl, but you know, we
Speaker 1: showed that we're formidable. And I've been saying it the
Speaker 1: whole time. Look, giants, they want to chip at nine
Speaker 1: and seven, so the numbers don't really matter. Is if
Speaker 1: you get into the tournament, it's one game at the time.
Speaker 1: That's interesting that you said that, because a lot of
Speaker 1: talk the last week, especially last couple of weeks, we've
Speaker 1: been hearing from various people within the building that everybody's
Speaker 1: on a different page, everybody's doing their own thing. And
Speaker 1: for you to say hero ball, for you to say,
Speaker 1: watching it as a fan, it looked like every body
Speaker 1: was playing as a team is really interesting because that's
Speaker 1: been what we think might be the biggest problem is
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to go do their own thing, and I
Speaker 1: play within the system, right because when you're not putting
Speaker 1: the right position, it kind of forces you to do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think that I
Speaker 1: think a big thing is identity. You know, who are we?
Speaker 1: And I think you know, first people have been saying
Speaker 1: the first you know, our first three games, all those
Speaker 1: teams sucked. Yeah, after the fact, that was another professional
Speaker 1: football team when we played them. So it was all
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season. Okay, we you know,
Speaker 1: we had some losses. I mean, we could have beat
Speaker 1: the Packers, could have beat the Saints and um we
Speaker 1: hell those guys, right, But the identity to me came
Speaker 1: out yesterday. It was just like, this is who we
Speaker 1: are week this is who we can be in week fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's That's okay though, because it's not a the seasons.
Speaker 1: The seasons you want to get into the tournament, right,
Speaker 1: and that's one thing, you know, bringing up the Patriots,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that Belichick is figured out is how
Speaker 1: to get those men to peak at the right time,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a different season. We get into the tournament,
Speaker 1: it's it's the playoffs. So I'm cool with peak starting
Speaker 1: to peek now versus you know, a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I just find it. I just find it hard that
Speaker 1: it takes you fourteen weeks to formulate an identity. I
Speaker 1: think you want to kind of have that on your
Speaker 1: way into the season and then to develop it as
Speaker 1: the season going along. I think week fourteen to say.
Speaker 1: And even so, let me ask you this question, you
Speaker 1: think this is a mirage. We just saw the decision
Speaker 1: the team we're going to see down the road. I
Speaker 1: don't know, does anyone do we know? Is anything confident
Speaker 1: that I'm just saying, But I'm just I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: is is there anything I'll put it? I'll put it
Speaker 1: in the perspective that that you did with on your
Speaker 1: your profession. Okay, you know that when you shoot a movie,
Speaker 1: they're certain directors and producers that's about their stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And you know when you blessing when I when I
Speaker 1: work with this director, it's gonna be boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom, and it's gonna be legit and everything's gonna
Speaker 1: be ready and everything, and then you got someone you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't really know this dude, I don't really know
Speaker 1: this lady. I don't really know how they work. So
Speaker 1: the expectations a little bit off. And so when you
Speaker 1: go when you when you go and work with that
Speaker 1: dude or that woman, you know that this is going
Speaker 1: to be a well oiled machine, and your thought process
Speaker 1: is different opposed to when you go and deal with
Speaker 1: someone that you really don't know how it's going to be.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're at with this team. It's
Speaker 1: do we have anything solid enough to know when I
Speaker 1: go and work with Spike, it's gonna be boom right,
Speaker 1: opposed to when I go and work with this one,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what it's gonna be. Well, so
Speaker 1: you hope for the best, but you don't really know.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great observation. But between both of
Speaker 1: those scenarios, I still bring my a game. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's you know, this well known director or this
Speaker 1: unknown director. I'm bringing a thousand percent. And to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, within the team, I think you know the
Speaker 1: guys have to step up to the play it. Really
Speaker 1: you got to go off of the eye test. We
Speaker 1: can't overthink this, you know. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the team is what we saw in the field yesterday,
Speaker 1: you know. And I know people like to throw around
Speaker 1: stats and analytics, and it's that old Mike Tyson thing.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a plan until they get pushed in the face, right,
Speaker 1: you know. So we you know, if that team shows
Speaker 1: up for the next few weeks, we're gonna be formidable
Speaker 1: and I'll take our chances against anybody. I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. And it's kind of funny you brought that
Speaker 1: up because that saying has been on those video boards
Speaker 1: around the building in a training table, it says we
Speaker 1: are who we are, and it's like who are we? Like,
Speaker 1: are we the team that we've seen the last you know,
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks, or are we the team we saw yesterday,
Speaker 1: which for me, I'm not buying in yet, Like, show
Speaker 1: me who you are. Do it again. We can do
Speaker 1: it again we saw yesterday, and do it again. We
Speaker 1: run the ball, we're built to run on offense in
Speaker 1: past second, We've got weapons on the outside, men move men.
Speaker 1: That's the team's identity and that's what I loved about yesterday.
Speaker 1: It wasn't cute. See it wasn't It was like the
Speaker 1: whole stadium knows about to handoff the zeke. There's nothing
Speaker 1: more demoralized than I would imagine for a defensive player,
Speaker 1: like we just can't stop. You know, we know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. We know what they're doing, and that's to me,
Speaker 1: that's the identity. And then the d gets amped up
Speaker 1: and now they're playing together. We got a little bit
Speaker 1: of it. I hope hopefully we get more of a
Speaker 1: pass rush moving forward. But you know, d Backs were playing.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee had that incredible that I think going back,
Speaker 1: that was the moment where I thought the game was
Speaker 1: over once he got that interception and the way that
Speaker 1: he ran it back because he didn't just get it
Speaker 1: and like, oh we got it, he was like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to score it. To me, that that play sort
Speaker 1: of personified the urgency that the team has right now.
Speaker 1: So again, hopefully they can bottle that up. I like,
Speaker 1: I want them to be frustrated. I want them to
Speaker 1: be on edge, you know, and explode on a few
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. Another question. I was just thinking,
Speaker 1: I was sure saying to myself, Shanley, you get down down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
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Speaker 1: just so you guys don't know, I know, you've talked
Speaker 1: to us on the phone the first time you've been
Speaker 1: in studio with us, right, and then you guys may
Speaker 1: not know who our esteem co host is. So he's
Speaker 1: he was involved in probably one of my favorite plays
Speaker 1: in favorite games ever because it was one of the
Speaker 1: first road games I ever went to as a Alboy employee,
Speaker 1: and he was on this reality show called Mister Fourth
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Speaker 1: Go get that. So I think Kyle has probably my
Speaker 1: favorite play of Jesse in a Cowboys uniform that that
Speaker 1: I believe he can punch up here and show us.
Speaker 1: This was the game that Romo broke his ribs in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I remember that game, Yeah, and here's Jesse.
Speaker 1: There's Jesse. Then turn on the Jets and almost almost
Speaker 1: made it almost, So that's Jesse. So just for you
Speaker 1: guys that didn't know who Jesse was, that's our co host.
Speaker 1: I like to anytime I can bring up that play,
Speaker 1: I keep telling you guys, that's one more play that
Speaker 1: I had us a cheap time. Tell us. That's why
Speaker 1: I always bring it out. I'm never gonna be mad
Speaker 1: at that play that I'm not either, I'm score boarding.
Speaker 1: That's one moment. You know what. You know what that's for.
Speaker 1: That's to remind every fan that always takes jabs to
Speaker 1: you on Twitter that says you never did nothing and
Speaker 1: all that. That's why I always do that because because
Speaker 1: you were there. But I can I can also say,
Speaker 1: even if you were in the game, I don't think
Speaker 1: that you would come up big in the moment because
Speaker 1: even when the moment happens, you get you get a
Speaker 1: little scary. Me, Yeah, what moment? What are we talking about? Oh? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: who's that? Who's the scary guy right there? Let me
Speaker 1: tell you? Yells and you get a little scared at
Speaker 1: that moment, baby, jeremiahs to my right, and I had
Speaker 1: that telephoto lens and I knew Zach screen and You're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't shoot him because he was literally for me
Speaker 1: to kurt. So I was moving. I moved the lens
Speaker 1: out of the way so Jeremiah can shoot it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he stood up. He was kneeled down next
Speaker 1: to me. So I'm moving that out of the way
Speaker 1: and laughing. I think Shannon's got you beat. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that was hilarious. Hell when did you figure out you
Speaker 1: were going to do that? Uh? When it happened twenty
Speaker 1: seconds ago. Touche, good job, It's all good. Good job. Listen,
Speaker 1: when when a lion roared, don't you get scared? When
Speaker 1: you get a little scared, place still eat at you. No, no,
Speaker 1: you don't think about like, oh if I would a
Speaker 1: stutter step stiff on. Well, No, just like it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't meant to be that. It wasn't meant for
Speaker 1: that to be that that meant was. There's a long
Speaker 1: story behind that, um but that that moment was for
Speaker 1: a bigger purpose. That moment was for a greater purpose God.
Speaker 1: God wanted me to have something else. Happened in that moment,
Speaker 1: and people know I'm serious like that that moment if
Speaker 1: you if you know my story leading up to that moment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that moment wasn't sup posted me. I wasn't supposed to score.
Speaker 1: It was never meant for me to score in that moment.
Speaker 1: And if it had not been for me, we don't
Speaker 1: have Dan Belly for all those years we won games
Speaker 1: with Dan Belly because he missed earlier in that game
Speaker 1: and I got a chance to come back and overtime
Speaker 1: and kick it. And then he hit twenty nine straight
Speaker 1: in the row. After that he welcome and then and
Speaker 1: then the legend, the legend of Tony Romo does not
Speaker 1: live like it does when him playing through the broken
Speaker 1: rod out me. Come on, who's Tony without me? It's
Speaker 1: a great question. That's a great question. Was that the
Speaker 1: Miles Austin game too? Yeah? Where he one of the
Speaker 1: best photos I've ever seen was that before or after?
Speaker 1: Years before? I remember his hamstrings went out in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter? Is why you were playing? Yeah? Was it really? Well? No,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris was playing. Okay, he sucked that whole game.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to start that game because that didn't
Speaker 1: play that game either he had tour. He had messages
Speaker 1: quad up against the Jets that week one. I think
Speaker 1: it was we played a nine to eleven in Week
Speaker 1: one against the Reeves and he messages quad up and
Speaker 1: couldn't play. And then Miles was in the huddle and
Speaker 1: he was like, dog, I'm done. I said, what said?
Speaker 1: My hamstra was just done? I said, what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do? I don't know, but I can't run no more.
Speaker 1: I say, we ain't gonna listen to cos we're having
Speaker 1: I'm like in the huddle. In the huddle, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but we have you or desk. He was like I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh snap. I was literally shook like a
Speaker 1: little and I was like, all right, let's go and
Speaker 1: we want here you go? All right? Nice? Yeah, Kurt? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you're looking at over there? Just Twitter, Twitter and
Speaker 1: just various people popping off stats and stuff. All right, So,
Speaker 1: ohmar I got a question for you as a fan, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't feel like I know for
Speaker 1: a fact because a lot of my friends are Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1: This is the way they felt, and I think you
Speaker 1: have a different out look on this. But I just
Speaker 1: want to see where you're at as a fan. I
Speaker 1: have friends. In fact, the majority of my friends that
Speaker 1: are Cowboy fans did not want us to win yesterday
Speaker 1: because they want to make sure this coaching staff does
Speaker 1: not come back and if this team gets hot and
Speaker 1: they make a deep runt in the playoffs. Friends, No,
Speaker 1: this is Cowboy fans in general. I feel like I
Speaker 1: want to know you as a fan. Are you because
Speaker 1: Nate's the opposite. Nate's like, No, I want to win
Speaker 1: every game, whether we're in it or not. Like, that's
Speaker 1: my team. I want them to win. Where are you
Speaker 1: at on the fence of fandom? Are you? I'll sacrifice
Speaker 1: this for the greater good or my team or you
Speaker 1: Like I want to win every game. I want to
Speaker 1: win every game, okay, you know, and I want it
Speaker 1: to be what it is. I want to deal with
Speaker 1: the truth or what it is. And that's what I've
Speaker 1: said before, Like I'm not worried about numbers and this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. We win, we get into the tournament,
Speaker 1: and then let's see what happens if we can keep
Speaker 1: If I'm telling you, if we can play like we
Speaker 1: played yesterday, I'll take my chance. Here comes to voice
Speaker 1: of reason. I see no, no, no, no, I just
Speaker 1: I just want more evidence of it, right, show me again,
Speaker 1: that's it, and then again and then again. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to go into the football court of
Speaker 1: law and have a definitive case of why we should
Speaker 1: believe right. I don't want to go on the court
Speaker 1: of football law and go well like, I want to
Speaker 1: be able to say, here it is, and be able
Speaker 1: to lay out in a full gamut of evidence of
Speaker 1: why we should really believe that this team is capable
Speaker 1: of because I've been around here, You've been around here,
Speaker 1: You've been a lifelong fan, You've been around it forever,
Speaker 1: and it's been twenty plus years of us hearing the
Speaker 1: same thing. Is that next years our year, next years
Speaker 1: our year, that window that this is the biggest day
Speaker 1: in window I ever seen in my life. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you got a nice home with good tall ceilings and
Speaker 1: big window. That's a pretty big window. We keep saying
Speaker 1: this over and over and over and over again, and
Speaker 1: eventually the window I said this a week or so ago,
Speaker 1: like Jerry doesn't have a long time to keep having
Speaker 1: this thing reading rebuilt, like the money won't the lifespan
Speaker 1: and the money and the talent won't It just won't
Speaker 1: go long enough, because eventually, after next year, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have one hundred million dollars quarterback. You're gonna have a
Speaker 1: ninety million dollar running back. You're gonna have a ninety
Speaker 1: million dollar defensive end. You can probably have another ninety
Speaker 1: million dollars receiver. You're gonna have a seventy five million
Speaker 1: dollars running corner. You're gonna have all this money is
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to start paying these guys. And then
Speaker 1: it comes to a point where is oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I add a new coach into that Mexical. I don't,
Speaker 1: honestly don't think no matter what happens in this situation,
Speaker 1: I don't think Jarre's gonna bring Jason carrittback. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you that. I don't think so. Even if
Speaker 1: let's just say, let's say we get to the conference championship,
Speaker 1: I think you gotta win it. You gotta win the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Now, I think you gotta win the conference championship.
Speaker 1: Then I think it's some real that's a hard sell.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a hard sell. Tigre, I agree, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be an amazingly hard sell. You know how bad
Speaker 1: I think you know how bad he wants to keep Jason,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want to get rid of Jason. He
Speaker 1: wants him to go win. If he goes and takes
Speaker 1: you to a super Bowl, you really think he's gonna
Speaker 1: run out of here because my thing is as Jason,
Speaker 1: and this is this is from the man perspective. If
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Garrett, well, I'm not giving you a hometown
Speaker 1: discount now, Jerry, because you put me out on the
Speaker 1: fence to hang and dry, like you you you literally
Speaker 1: hung me out to dry this year. So now when
Speaker 1: if I if I happen to win it and I
Speaker 1: come back to the table, I'm taxing you the next
Speaker 1: five years that my condic is gonna right. You hung
Speaker 1: me out there? How do you hang them out there?
Speaker 1: You let me walk into this season with no contract extension.
Speaker 1: You gave me a rookie offensive coordinator, and you took
Speaker 1: the play call and dudes away from me. You literally
Speaker 1: said you because we did it your way and it
Speaker 1: wasn't working. So you're saying that your job is on
Speaker 1: the line and you can't drive the boat. You've had
Speaker 1: ten years, right, so now that I've proven you wrong,
Speaker 1: when I come back to negotiating table, I'm not giving
Speaker 1: you a discount. We've been bashing these coaches whole season
Speaker 1: for not having the team ready, game playing, all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Do I deserve credit for yesterday? I
Speaker 1: think so. I think so. I think the whole team
Speaker 1: does it. Just in it seemed like there was a
Speaker 1: unity there. Again. I thought Moore made some some play
Speaker 1: calling adjustments that I haven't seen him making the past
Speaker 1: few weeks. Um hit. The way to look at Garrett,
Speaker 1: or the way that I look at Garrett is, let's say,
Speaker 1: you know they part ways. You see him being a
Speaker 1: head coach somewhere else in the NFL yep, like the
Speaker 1: next year yep. Or do you think he's got to
Speaker 1: go be a coordinator work his way back in? You
Speaker 1: know how this works in this league. This league is
Speaker 1: a bunch of recyclable coaches. It's a boys club. And
Speaker 1: look at some of the worst coaches they get, they
Speaker 1: get new jobs somewhere else. I do think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's jobs like Miami, there's jobs like Cincinnati. There's
Speaker 1: jobs like Washington. Um Dar, in Washington, you just named
Speaker 1: two jobs people on one Yeah, the me, the head
Speaker 1: coach of Miami or the Dangles me really better to
Speaker 1: be employed than other. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, like I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of jobs where people are gonna be and
Speaker 1: you know how you know how it is with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Everybody always thinks it's almost it's the same effect with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick right now. None of his assistants, maybe one
Speaker 1: in Houston kind of have a little bit of success.
Speaker 1: None of his assistants has success, but they all think
Speaker 1: if we can pluck from that coaching tree that maybe
Speaker 1: we get a little bit of sprinkled on us. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Same thing with the players, right Bill. He
Speaker 1: grows these players, and people snatch them and they pay
Speaker 1: them all his money and they don't work out, and
Speaker 1: then Bill brings them back after their contracts. Well except
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Gum, but I do I think I think
Speaker 1: Rever heard about that to your earlier point. I think
Speaker 1: there's a difference between the hype and the brand of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the realistic part of what the team is.
Speaker 1: And for me, I've always been a realistic fan I
Speaker 1: remember doing first Take a few years back and was
Speaker 1: talking to Skip and I was like, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: eight and eate. I mean's just let's just deal with
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, so you can't get caught
Speaker 1: up in the hype. But I think, you know, since
Speaker 1: the dak era has begun and Zeke, it's been this
Speaker 1: like wait a minute, We've we've got something here, you
Speaker 1: know that could and as all the pieces are coming together,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, you can't. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: knock Jerry. Jerry's an incredible owner, incredible businessman, and you
Speaker 1: can knock him. And so he had to do what
Speaker 1: he had to do this year with Garrett, I think,
Speaker 1: light the fire underneath him. What's that saying? You can't
Speaker 1: you know, doing the same thing and expect different results,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, hey, we need, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing some young blood here, some young blood here, and
Speaker 1: let's see how you perform. All right. So, as a
Speaker 1: realistic Cowboys fan, right, you just saw this game and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, wow, what's it take for you to
Speaker 1: buy in and be because obviously that's the outlier. They
Speaker 1: haven't put a game like that together all season started
Speaker 1: out really good and then it's just been you know,
Speaker 1: the first good team they beat. What does a realistic
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan get you to buy in and say this
Speaker 1: is a this is a good team and this team
Speaker 1: can go deep into the playoffs or we were talking
Speaker 1: about this this morning. We gotta beat Philly obviously, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Then dude and we were debating, Okay, do you sit
Speaker 1: players when we play the Redskins or do you keep
Speaker 1: you keep the steam rolling. I don't think Garrett sit
Speaker 1: to anybody. He's got to play. So let's say we
Speaker 1: we we then and then it just depends on who
Speaker 1: we playing in that in the wild card, like who
Speaker 1: who's that gonna be? Who do you want to play?
Speaker 1: Because you're talking about now the Niners, Vikings or Seahawks.
Speaker 1: I'd rather take the Vikings first. Can you get that
Speaker 1: confidence under our belt and then take let's you know what,
Speaker 1: let's go to Seattle, you know, and then let's let's
Speaker 1: let's face the forty to forty nine is a for
Speaker 1: real I mean to see, they're all for real, but
Speaker 1: the forty nine is are like I could see them,
Speaker 1: you know at the end of the at the end
Speaker 1: of the pounding. You still got green Bay, So we
Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna don't want it. You definitely
Speaker 1: don't want to see a Green Bay. Just we the
Speaker 1: process of that, the mental the mental aspect though, the
Speaker 1: thought process. Oh you said you were realistic. I am,
Speaker 1: I am. You know, the Green Bay as a team,
Speaker 1: what are their weapons? It doesn't doesn't matter what weapons
Speaker 1: that if they have to come here. That man beat
Speaker 1: us on one leg. When you're think about that, oh,
Speaker 1: he came into a game with a strange calf and
Speaker 1: we knew it right. It wasn't like it was a
Speaker 1: secret that man stood a shotgun with one leg and
Speaker 1: wore us out. I think just a mental part of it.
Speaker 1: I see Aaron Rod is a cannon. I think that
Speaker 1: part scared Just the mental part of it scares me.
Speaker 1: It's like, but if we wouldn't get to that point,
Speaker 1: that mentality might be flipped around like they're chomping at
Speaker 1: the bit, you know, because that was the other thing
Speaker 1: about yesterday's game, and sort of like the subtext of
Speaker 1: it is like, damn, these dudes whooped on us slash shit.
Speaker 1: And and I saw that too. I saw a personal
Speaker 1: part of it, like we need to get some get back.
Speaker 1: So I think they would feel it same way about
Speaker 1: Green Bay. I will tell you this, this is probably
Speaker 1: the first year looking at opponents that I would maybe
Speaker 1: want to play Green Bay before i'd want to play
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers or the Seahawks, especially on the road.
Speaker 1: I think I think i'd almost oh yeah, forgot about
Speaker 1: the saint That's the team you don't want to see
Speaker 1: because the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Brady and Breeze
Speaker 1: or the coach. Correct, ye, okay, you I don't want
Speaker 1: to see Belichick, you know what I mean. And you
Speaker 1: don't want to see Sean pay Yeah, you know I
Speaker 1: want you. But this new guy, I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: with me on the floor. I think right now we
Speaker 1: faced the forty nine Ers in the first round and
Speaker 1: then have to go to Seattle. So here at home
Speaker 1: and then go to Seattle. I mean, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be an easy road no matter what happens to But
Speaker 1: forty nine has got that defense is for real. But
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, if you can guarantee me, like
Speaker 1: if you can say I'm putting a house that the
Speaker 1: team that we saw last night's gonna get on any
Speaker 1: plane or coming to any stadium, I'm betting, okay, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can guarantee me that that team was coming,
Speaker 1: I'm putting that team. I don't think against anytime. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants any part of that team. That
Speaker 1: was because yesterday that was I would say four phases.
Speaker 1: That was four phases of good football. Offense, defense, special teams,
Speaker 1: and coaching. Last night we haven't seen that type of
Speaker 1: performance with all four phases being just dominant. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've seen that all year long with the last
Speaker 1: What they need to do to prove that to you? Like,
Speaker 1: is it these last two games or is it getting
Speaker 1: in and win in the first round? Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta spank Philly for me. Spank Okay,
Speaker 1: now you gotta spank Philly. Like you gotta go out
Speaker 1: in spank Philly. Could you fourteen or more? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: it got it gotta be a dominant performance like last
Speaker 1: night was a dominant performance. You can't go up to
Speaker 1: Philly and it'd be like a squeaking out, squeaking out
Speaker 1: of eking out because I'm like, because if you do that,
Speaker 1: that means it's telling me that you reverted back to
Speaker 1: some of your old ways. Right, someone's not blocking or tackling,
Speaker 1: or things aren't going right, you gotta come and whoop
Speaker 1: up on Philly and beat them sound. And now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: have you been on the team in college or pros
Speaker 1: that something just clicked at one point in the whole
Speaker 1: almost the spots changed or the stripes changed on the team,
Speaker 1: and it was like things just were different. I'll give you.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. And it wasn't football based.
Speaker 1: It was my national championship basketball team. We played Georgia
Speaker 1: Tech for some reason. This year, the ACC tournament was
Speaker 1: in DC. We played Georgia Tech and the first game
Speaker 1: we played, we didn't play well. We didn't play any defense.
Speaker 1: Coach with screaming at us, and we just squeaked by.
Speaker 1: And then we came and we played Tech the next game.
Speaker 1: And we'll buy him, we'll buy him, and Jared Jack
Speaker 1: put a whooping on I think we'll buy him. Had
Speaker 1: like thirty he was, I mean, he was just like
Speaker 1: he gave you seventeen. He gave you like it was
Speaker 1: like like like Will had like like you. I mean,
Speaker 1: no matter who guarded Will buying him. It was just
Speaker 1: and we took we we went from Carolina. We flew
Speaker 1: from Carolina to DC and coach was so mad. We
Speaker 1: bust from DC back to North Carolina as punishment. As punishment,
Speaker 1: not normally we would get at a nice steakhouse on
Speaker 1: the road, we had Windy's. He gave all of us
Speaker 1: a ten dollars limit at Wendy's. Wow. We got back
Speaker 1: to North Carolina and it's probably like three or four
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and he's like, we're all thinking
Speaker 1: about we're about to go back to our rooms whatever
Speaker 1: this roy So he's like everyone on the court in
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, I wouldn't be late a fire with you.
Speaker 1: It's like four o'clock in the morning, and we're like,
Speaker 1: come on. He ran the dog of us and it
Speaker 1: clicked and we went into after the AC term was over,
Speaker 1: we got our number one seed head an NC doable
Speaker 1: a tournament, and we just rolled jokers. I mean, but
Speaker 1: it was in that moment that it clicked for us
Speaker 1: and it became and it finally became what we wanted
Speaker 1: it to be. We had a we had a really
Speaker 1: good regular season, but that moment that morning, we ran
Speaker 1: for three hours like if you didn't communicate on a line,
Speaker 1: if you didn't box out on a line, and any
Speaker 1: little thing you didn't on a line, hand out on
Speaker 1: a line, and he ran us and ran us, and
Speaker 1: that moment we turned the corner, and whoever was in
Speaker 1: front of us the rest of that way to an
Speaker 1: NC doable a tournament we destroyed. So it can happen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can ask you a question. Yes, in
Speaker 1: those moments, did the team sort of come together and
Speaker 1: have discussions outside of the coaches, like, did you sort
Speaker 1: of hold each other accountable? Yes? Okay, it that's what
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was. It was a man
Speaker 1: and man stuff. It was like, you know, like, listen, dog,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do this, here's how it has to
Speaker 1: get done. There's no more, you know. I remember, I
Speaker 1: remember actually and we were playing against UM Wisconsin and
Speaker 1: coach are trying to drop up a play for Rashad
Speaker 1: McCants and another player goes, what are we doing? Coach
Speaker 1: Sean has twenty go back inside to Sean and coach
Speaker 1: was like, you're right here. We had to like and
Speaker 1: a player saying this like no, no, no, let's keep
Speaker 1: feeding showing the ball. He has twenty and a half.
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? And it was the players
Speaker 1: taking ownership here, like coach, hold on, I know what
Speaker 1: you're trying to do, but this dude is dominating. We're
Speaker 1: going right back inside him and every play down and
Speaker 1: then we'll beginning to play for each other. And and
Speaker 1: everything just clicked. And it was more so of not
Speaker 1: only because Roy kept saying it. We're not only the
Speaker 1: most talented team, I'm a talented group. We're the best
Speaker 1: team the team aspect become to come a play because
Speaker 1: we were playing a lot of individual ball and we
Speaker 1: just did was out athleting everybody. But we knew once
Speaker 1: we got on a turn, we had to become a
Speaker 1: better team. And at that moment, after we'll buy them
Speaker 1: put it on us, we became a better team and
Speaker 1: went on a run, and one it all happen. Can happen?
Speaker 1: Speaking of going on a run, we gotta run. We
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here already, already, gotta cut it
Speaker 1: short today, got other meetings, gotta get out of here, eetings. Dude.
Speaker 1: I will do nothing, man, I know except a scared
Speaker 1: on game day, you sh black man, I got people
Speaker 1: hit me up on Instagram like, we're scared, Bros. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that ain't the first time. It takes more
Speaker 1: of that to scare that. If y'all don't want to
Speaker 1: believe me, that's fine, but that that's the story. But
Speaker 1: I'll go with it. I was scared everybody else, Listen,
Speaker 1: that's the story. We're going ninety thousand people around me.
Speaker 1: I got scared. Na, he wasn't that close, man, Jesse,
Speaker 1: Thanks man oh, thanks for coming on the show many time.
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