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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. One hour

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Speaker 1: from now, Nick Swisher Yankees open up the season tonight.

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Speaker 1: Nick's gonna bring his energy. We like Nix on the show.

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Speaker 1: Houka Nakua trouble Rams don't like that nonsense North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the best job in college basketball is now open

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Speaker 1: and it's getting very interesting. So I spent some time

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Speaker 1: this morning. We had Rachel Nichols on. I'll play that

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Speaker 1: in a few minutes. There is a growing sentiment that

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Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't want to play in Cleveland and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to go to San Francisco, and his family wants

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Speaker 1: him to stay here, and Lebron wants to stay in

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Speaker 1: he's got his agent, Rich Paul, delivering salvos and texts

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Speaker 1: the talk show hosts and writers to get us off

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Speaker 1: that message that they're better without Lebron. Well, actually, Lebron

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Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit here because Lebron has changed

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Speaker 1: his game. He's not the same player. He's still great

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Speaker 1: individually in spurts. This happened about three years ago. But

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Speaker 1: he's not going to give you forty minutes tonight, not

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Speaker 1: as good back to back.

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Speaker 2: He's just aging, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's a very uncomfortable space for Braun and his

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Speaker 1: group to be in because they've had absolute control until now.

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Speaker 1: Even last year was it was not in shape Luca,

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Speaker 1: it was coming off an injury in Chubby Luca. But

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Speaker 1: now Austin Reeves has developed into a legitimate number two.

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Speaker 1: Luca could be the MVP, and Lebron's got to go

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Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. Right, you got to go leading man

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Speaker 2: Go win best supporting actor.

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Speaker 1: And I remember years ago Lebron sent a tweet out

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Speaker 1: to Kevin Love little passive aggressive stuff. Remember that where

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Speaker 1: he said, hey, man, stop trying to find a way out.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what Lebron James has to do. And again,

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Speaker 1: he's never been asked to be He's never ever been

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Speaker 1: now it's like, bro, we look at all the numbers,

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Speaker 1: they're all career lows. And now Austin Reeves is a

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Speaker 1: And I know Lebron doesn't want to go back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: And I know that because I'm watching his agent fight

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Speaker 1: for him through media channels, and that's coming from Lebron.

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Speaker 1: His family likes LA's. La is built for famous people.

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Speaker 1: He can go into a restaurant and be the second

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Speaker 1: You can go to dinner Brad Pitt's two Tables over.

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Speaker 1: You can hide in La a lot of gates, a

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Speaker 1: Can't do that in tiny Cleveland. Remember last time they

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Speaker 1: He wants to stay in Los Angeles and his net

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Speaker 1: Rachel Nichols on Lebron's future. He's the new role player

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Speaker 3: Interesting thoughts, certainly a month ago it looked like there

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Speaker 4: It's one thing for the last month of.

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Speaker 3: The regular season and the playoffs for Lebron to be

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Speaker 1: That is a that is a real hard choice pay

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Speaker 1: But those are two big asks, all right. Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball opens tonight Yankees San Francisco on Netflix, and I'm

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Speaker 1: reading an Ian O'Connor story. If he's writing it, it's

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Speaker 1: the essence of where the Yankees stand today. They're no

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Speaker 1: longer the Yankees. The Dodgers have replaced them as baseball's

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers owners are richer, and the Dodgers' front office

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Speaker 1: The Yankees have become a business that is so big

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Speaker 1: so big they're winning, right, There's so much money, and

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Speaker 1: got enough. I mean, this offseason, the Yankees are still

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Speaker 1: They're still not very good athletically defensively. Did they address it? No,

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Speaker 1: But they got a number four starter, Ryan Weathers. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: is similar to like big banking. Like it's the same

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Speaker 1: It's the same banks, Bank of America over and over

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Speaker 1: Aggressiveness and management, better assets, acquiring assets, taking big swings.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees have moved into We're going to put our

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Speaker 2: And that's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers go big even after getting to the World Series,

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Speaker 1: and that of course puts pressure on Aaron Boone, the manager,

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Speaker 2: He can feel the pressure.

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Speaker 5: He's a great player, and I know that probably people

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Speaker 5: So I think, you know, he's still one of the

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Speaker 1: Be the second for me. O Tani number one. But

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Speaker 1: the point is is that baseball doesn't have a salary cap.

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Speaker 1: In the NBA, you are limited what you can do

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers continue to be willing to take big risks,

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Speaker 1: and it just doesn't feel like the Yankees are all right,

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Speaker 1: Jay Mac, I'll be parked in front of a TV

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Speaker 1: watch the Yankee, San Francisco Giants, North Carolina. We got

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Speaker 1: college basketball starting Friday, Yukon Michigan State is Owen Dan Hurley.

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Speaker 1: There's an argument if you look at their facilities, their money,

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised at that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I first of all, you could say Kansas,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people think that, you know, North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful part of the country. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: most of these top programs, you know, I mean stores Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been there, like like a lot of

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Speaker 1: one of the nicest, isn't that. You know the triangle

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Speaker 1: they call it there, it's the Tech Triangle, the research Triangle.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the best places, best college campuses in America.

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Speaker 1: Money's not an issue. I mean Bill Belichick, you see

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Speaker 1: you can have Kentucky to me, has always been dysfunctional,

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Speaker 1: even when Calipari's there, it's always a little dysfunctional. Arizona's

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Speaker 6: They got a lot of money I hit up, so

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Speaker 6: you know, I spent a summer in Greensboro, North Carolina,

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Speaker 6: So I made some good contacts there. And I'll just say,

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Speaker 6: I think this search is going to be more interesting

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Speaker 6: than people think.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do too.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they're just going to be able to

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Speaker 6: I think they need to readjust expectations.

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Speaker 4: I'm a really good job.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to leave Arizona or Ukon. You don't

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a short list of best college basketball

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Speaker 1: of people out there. Billy Donovan, you got to remember,

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Speaker 6: Big, big story continuing to get ugly in Milwaukee, Yiannis

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Speaker 1: So if you can sniff it, you know, lu Al

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree, Colin.

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Speaker 1: So this is one of those things the Bucks have

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Speaker 2: This is I think that Box have to make.

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Speaker 6: The Cowboys said, we'll give you the twentieth pick and osa.

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Speaker 4: Uganwanza I butchered his name Felon twelfth.

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Speaker 6: Pick and the third third round pick twelfth, we're all

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Speaker 6: pick and a second and the Raiders said, no, we

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Speaker 6: want to first Colin Jerry Jones had Michael Parsons. Now

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Speaker 6: he realized, oh we need an edge rusher. Let you

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Speaker 6: can't make this stuff up at this point, Colin, come on.

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Speaker 1: Well they got Rashawn Gary, who's not Max Crosby. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised Dallas offered that. I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a great edge rusher draft, and Dallas is prized. You know,

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Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to get one of the good

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Speaker 1: edge rushers, and their defensive tackles are excellent. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised by the story. Sometimes I feel

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Speaker 1: like Jerry's kind of making it up based on a

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Speaker 1: whim or a discussion. You know, I kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like he's kind of making it up. There's not a

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Speaker 1: long not a lot of long range planning. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: more how do I feel now? Well, who's the last

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Speaker 1: guy I talked to? That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, wait, do you think Max Crosby

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Speaker 4: would have thrilled?

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Speaker 6: Would have been thrilled to go to Dallas because he

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Speaker 6: wanted a contender and last I checked, Dallas is not

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Speaker 6: anything close to a contender.

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Speaker 4: Now, you could argue Baltimore didn't.

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Speaker 6: Make the playoffs, but they have Lamar Jackson there in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs every year.

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Speaker 4: Practically. Would you have been thrilled to go to Dallas?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a huge brand and Max is a likable guy,

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Speaker 1: relatable guy. I think it would have been great for him. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think he would have done really well there.

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Speaker 6: Interesting, All right, let's go to baseball Colin final story show.

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Speaker 6: Hey Otani and the Dodgers wrapped up the spring training

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Speaker 6: last night against the Angels. Otani pitched and struck out

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Speaker 6: eleven did give up three earned runs over four innings

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Speaker 6: in his second pitching start of the preseason. Here's Dave

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Speaker 6: Roberts on Otani's final start.

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Speaker 7: Well, I thought you out a song in Jays.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, intense was there, focus was there, and the execution

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Speaker 11: all the service.

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Speaker 7: So while to punch out.

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Speaker 11: Sign really efficient, not efficient. I just have a bigger heath.

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Speaker 11: You can't fishing. So the team was another good work.

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Speaker 11: Holm and Gyles could be ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be good.

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Speaker 4: So he's won the nl MVP twice in a row.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, is there a world where Otani wins the Cy

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Speaker 6: Young for I mean, I can't wrap my brain around

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Speaker 6: that he couldn't win the Cy Young this year.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting though, he didn't hit in the postseason, so

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Speaker 1: you know, baseball's got a randomness to it, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard. He didn't hit much in the postseason

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Speaker 1: and they still won. That's what if you look right now.

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Speaker 1: Adding Kyle Tucker. The big issue that Dodgers had was

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Speaker 1: their bullpen. So shoring up their bullpen makes them a

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Speaker 1: prohibitive favorite. That was they blew twenty six saved last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, at the time I was living

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Speaker 1: in LA and the Dodgers are always on in your car,

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Speaker 1: They're on TV. They were bad at the end of

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Speaker 1: games in the regular season and they solved it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: remember they they went to a Game seven and Toronto.

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Speaker 1: Toronto really outplayed them for most of the World Series.

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Speaker 1: I thought they had a remarkable late innings, you know,

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Speaker 1: rally Game seven, they were insane. All the right levers

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Speaker 1: were pulled by Dave Roberts. But if O Tawni didn't

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Speaker 1: hit very well in the postseason. Their bullpen was shaky

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Speaker 1: until you know, the postseason. And I don't think those

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Speaker 1: two things are going to happen again, so they should

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Speaker 1: be a prohibitive fait.

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Speaker 4: I would totally agree.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 8: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The

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Speaker 8: heard line news.

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Speaker 1: Darren Williams played in the NBA for a long time

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Speaker 1: and he was he was talking about people were asking

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Speaker 1: him about on a podcast about Lebron and Kobe and

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Speaker 1: who do you want to take the final shot? One

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Speaker 1: of the questions he asked, and here was his response.

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Speaker 7: Them's work I think was.

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Speaker 12: Was crazy, Like they both work hard, they both it's

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Speaker 12: just different. Man just Kobe had just had that mentality

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Speaker 12: where he's just on his own, locked in doing his thing.

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Speaker 12: Lebron's more silly, you know, keeping things light. I play

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Speaker 12: with both of them. So yeah, if I got to

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Speaker 12: get a ball to somebody to get a bucket, I'm going,

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Speaker 12: I'm going cob.

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Speaker 1: I always all defend Lebron here. Lebron's a better player

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Speaker 1: historically than Kobe.

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Speaker 11: He is.

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Speaker 1: Kobe's great. You can argue Michael Jordan and Lebron. You

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Speaker 1: can't argue Lebron and Kobe. Lebron's the better career. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, across the board. Lebron has this weird reputation

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Speaker 1: that he wasn't clutch. But my argument's always been his

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Speaker 1: clutch looks different. It comes in many forms. A great

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Speaker 1: pass to Chris Bosh or Ray Allen in Miami, closing

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Speaker 1: with a left hand, beating a guy off the dribble,

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Speaker 1: a chase down block in the finals against the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: His his clutch looks like a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: Kobe's clutch was Kobe taking the shot. That's how he

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Speaker 1: affected the outcomes of games. Kobe was shooting, and I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: it was a problem. Phil Jackson called him a selfish player.

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Speaker 1: Mike Skrzyszewski in the Olympics, the story is pretty legendary.

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Speaker 1: Had to set him aside, and it's like, dude, you're

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Speaker 1: not playing with the Lakers, you're playing with the world's

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Speaker 1: best players. You've got to pass. You're taking bad shots.

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Speaker 1: Kobe took a lot of bad shots. He was selfish.

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Speaker 1: But Kobe kind of sold that Mama mentality, that alpha

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Speaker 1: self reliance, and that is very attractive to young people.

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Speaker 1: It's very attractive to sports fans, is do it yourself,

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Speaker 1: don't depend on others. And the truth is when Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan started trusting others is when Michael started winning titles.

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Speaker 1: And that's always been the secret sauce of Lebron is

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Speaker 1: that he couldn't take the final shot. But Lebron's always

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Speaker 1: taken the best basketball play. And if you go to

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Speaker 1: Kobe's career, statistically, he's actually not a great clutch shooter.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Lakers this year are a great clutch

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Speaker 1: team because Lebron, not just Lebron. Lebron often takes the

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Speaker 1: shot or gets it to Austin and Luca so And

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Speaker 1: this is where it's it's not a shot at Kobe.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a support of Lebron. Lebron's a tremendous

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Speaker 1: clutch player. I don't love him at the free throw

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Speaker 1: line late. I'd much prefer Staff or MJ. Durant at

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Speaker 1: the free throw line. But a lot of bigger guys

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Speaker 1: aren't great free throw shooters. But Lebron's always had this

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Speaker 1: weird rep that he's not a clutch player, and it

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Speaker 1: just his clutch looks different. He's not always going to

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Speaker 1: take the shot, you know. And he also I always

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Speaker 1: think kind of Lebron rolls his eyes at the critics

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Speaker 1: who talk about everybody else's mentality and killer instinct, and

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Speaker 1: I think Lebron looks at that and goes, bro yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ben too.

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Speaker 2: Nine finals. I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a shot at anybody, but it

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Speaker 1: is defending Lebron.

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Speaker 2: Lebron's a great clutch player.

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Speaker 1: I love the ball in Lebron's hands with a minute

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Speaker 1: left in his prime for fifteen years, I loved him

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Speaker 1: defending the ball or with the ball with forty seconds left.

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Speaker 1: Todd mcshae around the corner, Nick Swisher too. Is it

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Speaker 1: possible Ty Simpson is the best quarterback now?

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 8: and Noone Eastern not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Nick Swisher, Major leagu Baseball, Top of the Hour, Yankee

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Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants on Netflix. All right, so one of

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Speaker 1: the guys at the other plays one of their popular personalities,

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Speaker 1: said Ty Simpson. Film says he is better than Fernando Mendos.

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Speaker 2: So listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a former scout, although Frankly probably be pretty

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Speaker 1: good at it. AnyWho, Todd mcshaan at the Ringer been

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Speaker 1: doing this stuff since nineteen ninety eight evaluating prospects.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I never bailed on Sada the I.

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Speaker 13: Love the Frankly and the pause. I knew exactly where

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Speaker 13: you were going.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, Ty Stimpson's got his pro day. I've said

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Speaker 1: before when I watched him play. He's got a good arm,

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Speaker 1: he moves better than Fernando.

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Speaker 2: He's a pro.

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Speaker 1: He's a he's doing if he gets drafted late first round.

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Speaker 1: He's a hell of a lot better than Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying I think he is a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like JJ McCarthy. He's better than that. I

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Speaker 1: was not a fan of Pickett. He's better than that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: He's a He's I think he's more in the class

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Speaker 1: of Jackson Dart Where get the right coach, he can

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Speaker 1: spin it. You tell me what is the gap? You

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Speaker 1: do this for a living, you do what is the gap?

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Speaker 1: Mendoza a bigger athlete and Simpson, how big is the

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Speaker 1: gap to you?

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Speaker 7: Here's the here's the hard part.

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Speaker 6: Colin.

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Speaker 13: Like November first, ty Simpson was the guy, and maybe

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Speaker 13: it was late October around that range.

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Speaker 7: Ty Simpson's tape was better. It just was. And here's

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Speaker 7: what you have for Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 13: If if you're having this discussion right, it's it's transferable.

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Speaker 13: It's NFL stuff. You know, Ryan grubs there and they're

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Speaker 13: doing the pre snap motion deciphering what the coverage is.

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Speaker 13: He's on schedule. He's like everything's clockwork. The decision making,

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Speaker 13: it's precise, and it's not precise in the scheme with

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Speaker 13: an RPO heavy offense and two by two receiver sets

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Speaker 13: and a one cornerback read. If the corner goes this way,

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Speaker 13: I go here. If the corner goes that way, I

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Speaker 13: go there. And that's what you get a lot of

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Speaker 13: with Mendoza and Mendoza like, the moments were spectacular. The

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Speaker 13: fourth quarter Iowa, Oregon, Penn State, the late drives when

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Speaker 13: the game was on the line, absolutely spectacular, right, and

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Speaker 13: Simpson didn't really have that as much.

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Speaker 7: But you watch the other three quarters, and.

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Speaker 13: Like all of those games that he talked about, there

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Speaker 13: was a bad interception, there was a pick six you

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Speaker 13: think against Oregon, there was a bad pick against Iowa,

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Speaker 13: there was a bad pick against Penn State and so

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Speaker 13: and the rest of the game was just nah. You know,

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Speaker 13: you watch the Ohio State tape for Mendoza and you say,

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Speaker 13: oh my gosh, and yeah, you can say six points

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Speaker 13: through three quarters. And I heard the other guy from

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Speaker 13: the other network say that the other day. But that

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Speaker 13: tape was awesome.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 13: It started with Kayden Curry knocking his ass to the

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Speaker 13: ground and him bouncing back a couple of plays later,

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Speaker 13: and Kyd and Curry tried to get him again in

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Speaker 13: his zone end zone. No one talks about that player's

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Speaker 13: helmet hits the ground and never effected throwing on the

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Speaker 13: move against pressure, tight windows. He was awesome in that game.

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Speaker 13: If you give me that Mendoza and tells me, tell me,

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Speaker 13: that's what I'm going to get. He's clearly the best

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Speaker 13: quarterback in the in the draft, but it wasn't what

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Speaker 13: we saw season long. Now back to Simpson, I know

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Speaker 13: he has the mind. I know he got a dad

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Speaker 13: who's been a coach, a head coach in college football

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Speaker 13: for twenty years.

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Speaker 7: He grew up with a football in his hand.

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Speaker 13: He's been around ball and you see it in his

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Speaker 13: play and so for every negative you talk about the

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Speaker 13: fifteen starts, and that's a big deal for me, man,

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Speaker 13: but he grew up around ball. He played the you

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Speaker 13: know one up against Alabama's defense for four years. He's

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Speaker 13: in a pro system. All of those things counter that.

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Speaker 13: But here's the jumping off point that I struggle with.

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Speaker 13: You got Mendoza that just everything screams what it takes

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Speaker 13: to be in the NFL. Six four and a half,

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Speaker 13: two thirty six at the combine thirty five starts. Then

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Speaker 13: you got Ty Simpson, whose tape is better and more

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Speaker 13: relatable to NFL coaches. Right, but six to one, two

658
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Speaker 13: hundred eleven pounds injured, you know, battled injuries during the year.

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Speaker 13: Is the hit started to pile up. And granted you

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Speaker 13: can excuse that with one hundred and twenty six rushing attack,

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Speaker 13: pass protection broke down. Number one wide receiver Ryan Williams

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Speaker 13: just disappears late in the season, so but he still

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Speaker 13: got injured.

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Speaker 7: He didn't last the whole season and fifteen starts.

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Speaker 13: So if I had to take a quarterback number one overall,

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Speaker 13: I am taking Mendoza because it it looks like and

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Speaker 13: the experience is that of what quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 13: Everyone in the league is thirty plus starts that you

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Speaker 13: would consider a good starter, except for the two guys

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Speaker 13: who were super human Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. So

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Speaker 13: you get to fewer than twenty starts, and that list

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Speaker 13: is littered with first round quarterbacks who were drafted or

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Speaker 13: busts in the league.

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Speaker 7: So it's a tough call.

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Speaker 13: But I when Orlowski says it, I understand.

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Speaker 7: And I was texting with Dan Dirt when he was

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Speaker 7: watching the.

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Speaker 13: Tape, and I've texted with people in the league who

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Speaker 13: think that Simpson's better, but the majority in the league

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Speaker 13: think that Mendoza is better. I think where you get

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Speaker 13: in trouble is you overlook if you're a purist Colin

682
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Speaker 13: and you are a quarterback Officionado. It is. It's like Beethoven, right,

683
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Speaker 13: it's like Picasso watching Ty Simpson. But then there's a

684
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Speaker 13: gm You have to sit back and say what has worked,

685
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Speaker 13: what has not worked, and there's a risk. Evaluation has

686
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Speaker 13: to go on with Mendoza versus Simpson, and that tilts Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: All Right, one other question because the two things I

688
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about. So a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals drafted Isaiah Simmons from Clemson and he, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the old man without a country. He didn't really

691
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Speaker 1: have a classic position and so he came in and

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Speaker 1: they could never quite make it work although he was

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Speaker 1: a super athlete. I would take if I was the Jets,

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Speaker 1: I would take David Bailey, plug and play, know what

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Speaker 1: he is? Ceilings lower, rvel Reese, it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: well what if it could be? And I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Jets. I don't trust the Jets

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Speaker 1: to figure out the Rubik's cube of a really talented guy.

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Speaker 1: If it was the Rams take him, they'd figured it out.

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Speaker 1: If it's the Eagles, they'd figured out. So rvel Reese,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to go two to the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Should I be worried if I'm a Jets fan. It's

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Speaker 1: not defined yet what he actually is going to be

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Speaker 1: as a pro.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting.

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Speaker 13: I talked to an executive, high ranking an executive in

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Speaker 13: the league when I was at the Cobmine and he's

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Speaker 13: with a team that is drafting in the top five,

709
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Speaker 13: and he's like, here's the challenge, man, We've got the

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Speaker 13: probably you know, three of the best players in this

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Speaker 13: draft are at positions that we just don't want to draft,

712
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Speaker 13: but they're the best players.

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Speaker 7: And you kind of grow up in this.

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Speaker 13: Business thinking, don't pass up on Hall of famers, don't

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Speaker 13: pass up on guys that you know are just going

716
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Speaker 13: to be great players. But it's Jeremiah Love at running back,

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Speaker 13: it's Caleb Downs at safety, it's Sonny Styles at off

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Speaker 13: ball linebacker. Right then you get to the edges and

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Speaker 13: here's what he was saying, and I agree with this.

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Speaker 13: He's like, we got David Bailey, who's by far the

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Speaker 13: best most proven pass rusher.

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Speaker 7: You can't play the run.

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Speaker 13: You can't play the run for in the NFL right now,

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Speaker 13: so what are we getting a designated pass rusher?

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Speaker 7: Then you get rbl Reese. He's like, he's a cyborg,

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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 13: He's like, but you better have a plan because if

728
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Speaker 13: you if now, if it doesn't work out at edge,

729
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Speaker 13: he's an off ball linebacker who by the way, he's

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Speaker 13: okay in coverage, but he's not Sonny Styles. So if

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Speaker 13: you if you're gonna get stuck with it off ball

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Speaker 13: line in the top five, take Sonny Styles because he

733
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Speaker 13: can be that overhang, he can match up. He actually

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Speaker 13: rushes the passer pretty well when he was turned loose.

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Speaker 13: So that's the debate going on. And I look at

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Speaker 13: Styles and then you look at Reese and Styles as

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Speaker 13: the off ball linebacker.

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Speaker 7: He's the former safety, he's the cover guy.

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Speaker 13: Reese is smaller, you know, but he's explosive, he's long,

740
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Speaker 13: he's fast.

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Speaker 7: So it is a projection. And the thing that we

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Speaker 7: wrapped up.

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Speaker 13: Our conversation with and I completely agree with this, is

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Speaker 13: you better be lockstep with your defensive coordinator. If your

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Speaker 13: draft r Vell Reese, you better have a very clear

746
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Speaker 13: plan of how you're going to utilize him.

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Speaker 7: And Matt Patricia was brilliant with that. At Ohio State.

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Speaker 13: Matt Patricia's Patricia's can considered one of the smartest guys

749
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Speaker 13: out there and also one of the.

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Speaker 7: Best teachers out there, and so they were able to

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Speaker 7: get a lot out of out of our vel ree.

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Speaker 13: But what we saw is not what you're expecting from

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Speaker 13: a top three pick. You need growth as an edge rusher,

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Speaker 13: and you're hoping that it's going to be a Micah

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Speaker 13: Parsons type growth. I think people forget he was an

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Speaker 13: off ball linebacker and he came in his rookie there

757
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Speaker 13: were some injuries, and then they moved him to edge

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Speaker 13: and he became what we all know MICHAEH. Parsons to be.

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Speaker 13: That's what you're betting on. That's right, but it is.

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Speaker 13: It is a bet.

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Speaker 7: Colin Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't like I don't trust the Jets's

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Speaker 1: poker players.

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Speaker 2: I just tell you, it's not an organization.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Todd mcshae, hope they're treating you well. If not,

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Speaker 1: give me a call. You do great work, buddy. Say

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Speaker 1: hi to Bill and all.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate your brother, I always have. I'll talk to

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Speaker 7: you soon.

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Speaker 2: Todd mcshae.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Parsons. Where people forget this about Michael Parsons. They

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Speaker 1: tried him at linebacker. Wasn't good enough in coverage, he's

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike is more of a the term used

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Speaker 1: in the NFL as sea ball, get ball, like see it,

775
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Speaker 1: chase it go. I can remember Hassan Reddick came in

776
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Speaker 1: and Arizona for a couple of years couldn't figure out

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Speaker 1: what to do with him, and they're finally like, dude,

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Speaker 1: just rush the passer. You're great at it. So with

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Speaker 1: Rvel Reese, is he going to be great in coverage? No,

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Speaker 1: Siles is better there, but he could end up being

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Speaker 1: just a wildly explosive pass rusher cyborg is what he said,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's possible. But I just don't trust

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Speaker 1: the Jets to unleash the potential I get. If he

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Speaker 1: was getting drafted by Baltimore Philadelphia, I'd say take him