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Speaker 2: All right, wellcoon to hoopsin. I here at the volume
Speaker 2: heavy Friday. Everybody, Oh Balt, you guys are having a
Speaker 2: great end to your week. Well, this morning I woke
Speaker 2: up and I rewatched Game six of the finals, and
Speaker 2: I looked at it through the lens of what from
Speaker 2: this game is translatable forward to game seven? Is there
Speaker 2: anything from this that we can take in terms of
Speaker 2: giving Indiana a better chance to win on the road.
Speaker 2: I talked about after the Pacers lost Game two in
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City. I talked about how Oklahoma City can hit
Speaker 2: a point in terms of leveraging their athleticism that makes
Speaker 2: me feel like Indiana might not be able to win
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma City if they needed to get a game there.
Speaker 2: And so at that point in the series, after Game two,
Speaker 2: I had talked about how I thought Indiana needed to
Speaker 2: win all three of their home games if they were
Speaker 2: going to win the finals. But a last that's not
Speaker 2: what happened. They lost Game four, obviously with what happened
Speaker 2: down the stretch in that game, and so now Indiana
Speaker 2: needs to win another game in Oklahoma City. And so
Speaker 2: now they're staring down the barrel of a Game seven
Speaker 2: on the road, and so I want to look into
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that I noticed on film from
Speaker 2: last night's game and to see if any of that
Speaker 2: translates forward to a Game seven. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about one specific adjustment that Indi animated in the game.
Speaker 2: They didn't really change really their coverages, but they changed
Speaker 2: their pickup points. So we're going to dive into that
Speaker 2: concept a little bit, just like what it does to
Speaker 2: these coverages, what it took away, what it did change,
Speaker 2: what it didn't change. What has Oklahoma City seen this before?
Speaker 2: As Oklahoma City had success against this before. I really
Speaker 2: want to dive into that topic and then just some
Speaker 2: of the key swing factors as we head into a
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Speaker 2: after the final buzzer of Game seven. All right, let's
Speaker 2: talk some basketball. So there's a hot button NBA buzzword
Speaker 2: every playoff run, and it's usually attached to a specific
Speaker 2: basketball dynamic that is prevalent in that playoff run. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, last year, we had lots of talk about
Speaker 2: point of attack defense, right, because there's so much of
Speaker 2: a narrative surrounding Luca and the Dallas Mavericks, and like
Speaker 2: his point of attack defense was a story from the
Speaker 2: Clippers series all the way through to the finals, right,
Speaker 2: we also had a similar dynamic with the Wolves and
Speaker 2: what they were able to do to the Suns and
Speaker 2: Nuggets on both ends of the floor, really strangling and
Speaker 2: containing the ball on one end and then having the
Speaker 2: ability to penetrate the defense easily on the other end
Speaker 2: of the floor. In twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: we talked a ton about drop coverage, right, because that
Speaker 2: was one of the most common coverages we saw in
Speaker 2: the league at that point in time, and there were
Speaker 2: teams that were starting to have success against it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty one, we talked about Trey Young
Speaker 2: in the day he did to the Sixers in the
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference semi finals.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, Steph Curry against Boston's drop coverage
Speaker 2: and the dynamic at play. I mean Udoka talking about
Speaker 2: how he wanted to run drop coverage to try to
Speaker 2: prevent the Warriors from getting into their easy four on
Speaker 2: threes where the ball's popping around. They wanted to force
Speaker 2: Steph to take contested pull up threes, and guess what,
Speaker 2: he took them, and he made them, right. But that
Speaker 2: was kind of the hot button issue in that couple
Speaker 2: of seasons, and this year it's the pickup point, and
Speaker 2: once again it's tied to the teams that are playing.
Speaker 2: And again, all a pickup point means and all these
Speaker 2: are just fancy words that mean basic things. Point of
Speaker 2: attack defense is literally just one on one defense, right,
Speaker 2: It's just containing the ball at the beginning of possessions.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The idea of a pickup point is just where are
Speaker 2: you guarding the ball? Are you guarding the ball like
Speaker 2: right when it's inbounded, Are you guarding the ball at
Speaker 2: half court? Are you guarding the ball at the three
Speaker 2: point line? Where are you deciding to offer resistance to
Speaker 2: the guy holding the basketball? And the reason why it's
Speaker 2: been such a hot button issue in this postseason run
Speaker 2: is the thunder and Pacers are two really good ball
Speaker 2: pressure teams, right and the Thunder in particular, have faced
Speaker 2: two very different pickup points throughout this postseason run, like
Speaker 2: stuff like the Nugget series where teams are sagging back
Speaker 2: and trying to or where the Nuggets are sagging back
Speaker 2: and trying to contain the ball in front. Then to
Speaker 2: the Wolves series and for much of this Pacers series,
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of full court pressure and.
Speaker 3: It's a very very different dynamic for the ball handler. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, we did get a slight adjustment from the Indiana
Speaker 2: Pacers last night right out the gates. They changed their
Speaker 2: pickup point for both Shay and Jadab to basically right
Speaker 2: at half court, like you could see Nem Hard for
Speaker 2: Shay or Nie Smith for Jadab, literally waiting like toes
Speaker 2: just beyond the half court, just behind the half court line,
Speaker 2: just waiting for the guy to come at them, And
Speaker 2: that kind of moved back and forth. There were portions
Speaker 2: of the game where they were still up at half court.
Speaker 2: There are portions of the game where they were a
Speaker 2: little further back like in that like just outside the
Speaker 2: above the break line, like twenty five thirty feet from
Speaker 2: the basket, But it was a change from the earlier
Speaker 2: portions of the series where they were picking up full
Speaker 2: court and trying to deny the basketball more on inbounds
Speaker 2: and things along those lines. Now, it's important to mention
Speaker 2: this did not change the coverages that Indiana was using
Speaker 2: against action. So in ball screens, they were still chasing
Speaker 2: over the top with ball pressure, they were still meeting
Speaker 2: the ball handler up at the level with their bigs.
Speaker 2: They were still hedging and recovering hard with Tyreese Haliburton,
Speaker 2: and they were using Tyrese Haliburton to rotate and chet
Speaker 2: when he would pop out of ball screens. Many of
Speaker 2: the same dynamics that we've seen throughout this series, right,
Speaker 2: and all of that is still the same for Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City's ball handlers in terms of making reads.
Speaker 3: Out of that action.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that a little bit later
Speaker 2: in the show today, but in terms of process for
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, it's still more or less the same. The
Speaker 2: main thing that that did accomplish for Indiana is it
Speaker 2: neutralized one of the specific actions that Oklahoma City has
Speaker 2: torched Indiana with all series, and that's the extended ball
Speaker 2: screens when they were attacking Indiana's ball pressure. They were
Speaker 2: bringing heart and sign and shut out to screen, sometimes
Speaker 2: past half court, sometimes just inside a half court. But
Speaker 2: all of these ball screens were really far extended, and
Speaker 2: so Carlisle had Turner and Thomas Bryan and going all
Speaker 2: the way up to the level, Tony Bradley coming all
Speaker 2: the way out to the level fifty sixty feet from
Speaker 2: the basket sometimes and Shay or Jada was able to
Speaker 2: pretty easily get around that guy, and they give up
Speaker 2: a lot of layups and fouls and things along those
Speaker 2: lines because of that extended ball screen coverage. Now, in
Speaker 2: this coverage where you're sitting further back on the ball,
Speaker 2: there were no examples of Turner or Bradley needing to
Speaker 2: come out that far. Now they're never having to come
Speaker 2: out further than twenty five thirty feet from the basket.
Speaker 2: That's just a little bit more achievable for them. Now, again,
Speaker 2: it's still the same dynamic. There were still plays in
Speaker 2: this game where Shaye was able to beat Turner at
Speaker 2: the level and get into the teeth of the defense
Speaker 2: and generate advantages. But Turner did log some of his
Speaker 2: best at the level reps of this series because there
Speaker 2: were some relatively normal looking ball screens. I talked about
Speaker 2: this after Game five, But if you guys remember I
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with the at the level coverage.
Speaker 2: I have a problem with running the bigs up to
Speaker 2: the level when it's at half court. At the level
Speaker 2: at the three point line is a lot more achievable
Speaker 2: in terms of preventing Shae from getting ahead of steam
Speaker 2: when he's coming over the top of the ball screen
Speaker 2: out at half court, because he's beating ball pressure. There's
Speaker 2: just such a runway for him to get going and
Speaker 2: it's just really difficult. But if you're not picking up
Speaker 2: Shaye until you know, thirty to twenty five feet from
Speaker 2: the basket and here comes the ball screen and he's
Speaker 2: chasing over the top, Shaye doesn't have a running start,
Speaker 2: and so it just gives Turner a little bit better
Speaker 2: chance of staying in front. And he did have some
Speaker 2: of his best at the level reps of this series.
Speaker 2: But to me, the biggest impact by far was just
Speaker 2: the change. This is not some foreign coverage that Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City's ball handlers haven't seen before. This is more or
Speaker 2: less what Denver did, and it's something we've seen a
Speaker 2: little bit in the Minnesota series towards the end, and
Speaker 2: now a little bit at the end of the Finals.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, in this series and in
Speaker 2: the Minnesota series, they haven't seen this coverage, so it's
Speaker 2: just a little bit different, and it served as a
Speaker 2: catalyst for triggering some of the variants that they needed
Speaker 2: to pull off this Game six win. But as we've
Speaker 2: talked about extensively on the show, the Thunder have solved
Speaker 2: these puzzles in this postseason every time they've absolutely needed to. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, I talked about how in the aggregate before
Speaker 2: last night that Denver actually logged the best defensive rating
Speaker 2: of any team versus Oklahoma City. It has a lot
Speaker 2: to do with the coverage. We'll talk about that in
Speaker 2: a minute, But in Game five and in Game seven,
Speaker 2: the two final games that Oklahoma City absolutely needed to
Speaker 2: win with the Nuggets running a similar lower pickup point,
Speaker 2: the Thunder logged two games in Game five and in
Speaker 2: Game seven of half court offensive ratings over one oh.
Speaker 3: Five, which is really good.
Speaker 2: They've gone over one oh five and a half court
Speaker 2: just once in this series, even with the extended ball pressure.
Speaker 2: So even though in the aggregate, Denver did a good
Speaker 2: job guarding Oklahoma City in the two biggest games of
Speaker 2: the series Pivotal game series tied to two game five,
Speaker 2: series tied at three game seven. They were able to
Speaker 2: score against Denver scheme at a very efficient level in
Speaker 2: the half court that as I mentioned before, the actual
Speaker 2: coverages in action are still more or less the same.
Speaker 2: It's still similar reads as a similar decision making process.
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Speaker 2: If anything, if there was a key mistake that Shay
Speaker 2: made last night, he got baited by the lack of
Speaker 2: ball pressure into some mediocre ISOs. He logged ten ISOs
Speaker 2: in last night's game. That was his second highest total
Speaker 2: of the series. Behind you guessed it Game four when
Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty bad by his standards. And
Speaker 2: so when Shay gets baited into those ISOs and takes
Speaker 2: a bunch of those mediocre shots, it does disrupt Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City's flow.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that'll be.
Speaker 2: A particular sticking point from our dagnal in the film room.
Speaker 2: We got to run action against this defensive look. You
Speaker 2: could literally see it, like the Pacers guys would be
Speaker 2: sitting back and kind of like a passive look. But
Speaker 2: then here would come the ball screen. And when the
Speaker 2: ball screen would come, Ben Shephard or Andrew Nemhart, whoever
Speaker 2: it was, would all of a sudden jump up pressure
Speaker 2: the ball and fight over the top of the screen,
Speaker 2: which is more or less the same dynamic that they've
Speaker 2: been seeing throughout the series. And so all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the same openings are there, right Like, if Turner is
Speaker 2: at the level, Shay can still try to beat him
Speaker 2: with his speed and get into the teeth of the defense.
Speaker 2: Chet is still wide open when he's popping out of
Speaker 2: those ball screens they're defending at three on two. By
Speaker 2: having Tyrese Haliburton rotate off of Dort to Chet popping
Speaker 2: above the break. That's a three on two, meaning you
Speaker 2: can get the defense in rotation if you make simple
Speaker 2: reads and make good decisions out of it. The openings
Speaker 2: are still there. Even on the ISOs when Shay's driving,
Speaker 2: they're still helping hard, and that kick to the opposite
Speaker 2: wing is still open. Every single time when Shay is
Speaker 2: posting up on the block, he's still drawing a double
Speaker 2: team from the guy who's making the post entry the
Speaker 2: doubling from the top side. Shay had examples last night
Speaker 2: where he passed out of it well and they.
Speaker 3: Got decent looks.
Speaker 2: He had other possessions last night where he turned the
Speaker 2: ball over against that double team. So like the openings
Speaker 2: are still there, it's still a similar decision making process
Speaker 2: to what Oklahoma City has seen throughout this postseason. But
Speaker 2: that shift, that abrupt change after doing something different for
Speaker 2: most of the series served to shake Oklahoma City's foundation
Speaker 2: enough for Indiana to get a big win. Now for
Speaker 2: the record, from the Pacers perspective, I do think this
Speaker 2: is the appropriate game plan. As I said before last night,
Speaker 2: Denver did actually have the best defensive rating against Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City of any playoff team. This is despite Denver being
Speaker 2: a piss poor defense for most of the year. Contain
Speaker 2: the ball, force Oklahoma City to process with their brains
Speaker 2: and to make the kickouts and for guys to knock
Speaker 2: down semi contested catch and shoot threes. But again, as
Speaker 2: I said last night, there is no magic adjustment at
Speaker 2: this point in the playoff series.
Speaker 3: It's all about execution.
Speaker 2: I have seen Indiana beat Oklahoma City twice in this
Speaker 2: series with full court ball pressure, and I've seen Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City beat Denver and Minnesota in multiple important late series
Speaker 2: games against a passive contain the ball approach. None of
Speaker 2: the game plan stuff matters if it's not executed properly,
Speaker 2: so that containment of the ball issue will be the
Speaker 2: primary swing factor in Game seven for both teams. Focusing
Speaker 2: on Indiana, they need to keep Shae and JDub in
Speaker 2: front now again in their more aggressive looks, they did
Speaker 2: it with hard help on the back line, forcing Shay
Speaker 2: to make kickouts. In this more contained the ball approach,
Speaker 2: it's more about like kind of digging down and like
Speaker 2: stunting and recovering in the off ball guys and for
Speaker 2: the on ball guy, anticipating movement and beating the player
Speaker 2: to the spot and absorbing contact with his chest right.
Speaker 2: It looks a little different in this coverage, but it's
Speaker 2: still the same kind of idea. If they can keep
Speaker 2: the ball in front, they can make Shane and JDub
Speaker 2: make kickouts, and they can force role players to make shots.
Speaker 2: I do think that approach gives Indiana their best chance,
Speaker 2: But on the other side of the floor, they there's
Speaker 2: a similar containment issue in the sense that if Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City prevents Indiana from getting out in transition, keeps the
Speaker 2: ball in front, forces them to do all that weird
Speaker 2: dribble handoff interchange stuff at the top of the key
Speaker 2: where no one's actually turning the corner, they will force turnovers,
Speaker 2: they will get out in transition, and then Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: doesn't have to solve your coverage because they're living in
Speaker 2: transition where they can do a ton of damage. I
Speaker 2: think this coverage gives Indy their best chance, but it's
Speaker 2: still about execution, and ultimately they'll need to pass that test,
Speaker 2: the final test that no team has been able to
Speaker 2: pass in this postseason run, which is when Oklahoma City's
Speaker 2: back is against the.
Speaker 3: Wall and all of it's on the line and.
Speaker 2: All the pressure is there, Oklahoma City tightens the screws
Speaker 2: with their defense, and Indiana is gonna have to not
Speaker 2: turn the ball over. And Indiana is gonna have to
Speaker 2: get the ball into their flow and try to generate
Speaker 2: quality shots.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the big swing in Game seven.
Speaker 2: Now, a couple of other takeaways from the film session
Speaker 2: this morning before we get out of here. I thought
Speaker 2: ty Reeves was incredible all night in his help and
Speaker 2: recover situations. You know, we're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about release of speed when we get to Chet Holmgren,
Speaker 2: But Lou Dort has a similar issue where like his
Speaker 2: release is a little bit loaded up and it takes
Speaker 2: a second for him to get it off. And now
Speaker 2: he makes up for that by kind of leaning back
Speaker 2: and shooting a moon ball, so it kind of makes
Speaker 2: up for some of that lack of release speed. But
Speaker 2: Tyree's Halliburton is so fast that he in his ability
Speaker 2: to kind of shade off of Dort and towards the ball,
Speaker 2: whether it's like double teaming in action, like he would
Speaker 2: throw double teams at shape post ups, or he'd come
Speaker 2: in the lane and put his body in front in
Speaker 2: a drive, or he'd rotate to the popping big or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. He's able to get out to Dort
Speaker 2: relatively quickly and get a good contest. And so Tyresee
Speaker 2: has found a defensive role in this series that has
Speaker 2: been very impactful, which is his ability to get off
Speaker 2: of dirt and to get back to Dort and basically
Speaker 2: function as a disruptor off the ball. Chet Holmger needs
Speaker 2: to quicken his release. He got nearly blocked by Tony
Speaker 2: Bradley on one three and then did get blocked by
Speaker 2: Miles Turner on another three, and on both plays he
Speaker 2: looked open. And what's happening is he's really got this
Speaker 2: slow load up and he already shoots the ball pretty
Speaker 2: much right in front of his face, and he shoots
Speaker 2: it without a ton of arc, and so it's an
Speaker 2: easy shot to contest under any circumstances. That's not a problem.
Speaker 2: Steph shoots the ball from down in front of his face.
Speaker 2: But Steph has the quickest release in the sport. And
Speaker 2: so the idea there is Chet when we get into
Speaker 2: the summertime, needs to have a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a focus in terms of streamlining his release. He's got
Speaker 2: to get that thing off quickly because even if he
Speaker 2: is knocking down threes, it's not going to be effective
Speaker 2: if teams are able to get good closeouts on him
Speaker 2: because his release is too slow. Pascal Siakam's individual defense
Speaker 2: on Shay. He got Shay a bunch in transition cross
Speaker 2: matches and then in switches where he was applying like
Speaker 2: kind of a soft switch approach, meaning he'd meet Shay
Speaker 2: on the other side of the screen and kind of
Speaker 2: sit further back, which I think is smart because again,
Speaker 2: like as we talked about earlier in the series, Topping
Speaker 2: and Siakam have both given up splits when they've been
Speaker 2: really aggressive in their switches when they come out too
Speaker 2: far to the perimeter. But I thought last night Siakam
Speaker 2: was excellent on Shae, sliding his feet, keeping his hands
Speaker 2: out and not fouling, and getting great contests on SHA's
Speaker 2: over the top shot making. And then lastly, I thought
Speaker 2: the double teams of Shay's back shoulder, especially when he's
Speaker 2: driving against an engaged defender. So again we talked about
Speaker 2: this last night, But like if a guy cleanly beats
Speaker 2: his man off the dribble and he's just screaming downhill,
Speaker 2: he's unguarded and he's surveying the floor and he's gonna
Speaker 2: be able to make decisions relatively But if you stay
Speaker 2: relatively attached, mean, Shae's driving, but you're on his hip
Speaker 2: and get your arms out. He's engaged with the defender,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit harder for him to see what's
Speaker 2: happening around him. And Indiana had a lot of success
Speaker 2: last night doubling the ball behind him when he would
Speaker 2: get on those drives and so on the one hand,
Speaker 2: for Shay, he's got to anticipate that sort of thing
Speaker 2: and take advantage of those kickouts. Again, the kickouts to
Speaker 2: the opposite wing on his drive is open every single time.
Speaker 2: And then on the pacers front, it's something to explore
Speaker 2: in game seven is another opportunity to try to force
Speaker 2: turnovers and get out in transition. So yeah, that's my
Speaker 2: takeaway after rewatching the game. I think the pickup point
Speaker 2: change is certainly Indiana's best chance, but it doesn't really
Speaker 2: change too much about the dynamic in game seven. It's
Speaker 2: still going to be the same concepts on both ends
Speaker 2: of the floor that are going to dictate win or
Speaker 2: loss for these two teams. The final test, the final
Speaker 2: boss in the video game for Indiana's Oklahoma City's defense
Speaker 2: under desperation, and we're gonna find out really quickly on
Speaker 2: Sunday whether or not they're up to that challenge. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: That's all I have for today is always as sincerely
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Sunday after the final buzzer of
Speaker 2: Game seven. Not sure if we're gonna have Colin yet,
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys know. I would imagine we probably will,
Speaker 2: but we'll be live with Colin after the game, and
Speaker 2: then we'll be on playback after the YouTube show finishes,
Speaker 2: taking callers and just talking hoops with our fans for
Speaker 2: a little bit.
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