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Speaker 1: Cool Z Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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Speaker 2: Your podcast. That is the show and the second one

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Speaker 2: of the week, and you probably listen to the first one,

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Speaker 2: but I'm introducing the second one anyway. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy. I decide what counts as cool people who

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Speaker 2: did cool stuff, and then I sometimes talk about people

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Speaker 2: who are only kind of that. But my guest is

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Speaker 2: completely that because my guest is Sarah Marshall, who's host

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Speaker 2: of the upcoming show The Devil.

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Speaker 1: You know that's true. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to continue with our secret society story.

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Speaker 2: I know. And at the end, we're going to start

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Speaker 2: a secret society.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Midnight Society where we throw stuff on the

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Speaker 1: fire to make it a cool color.

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Speaker 2: I'm into that. God wait, I haven't seen The Midnight Society.

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Speaker 2: And for a really.

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Speaker 1: Our top braid of the dark choke, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know I was referencing something.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes more sense. I was thinking of

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Speaker 2: the Midnight Society with the act that I should know

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Speaker 2: who plays Patch Adams, also Rob oh the Dead Poets Society,

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Speaker 2: but Poets Aciety in a cave. Yeah, yeah, well I

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Speaker 2: love that movie When Are You Afraid? As Dark was

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Speaker 2: on air, I was afraid of the dark. I was

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Speaker 2: very afraid of the dark.

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Speaker 1: I was especially afraid of that show's theme song.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't remember it. I think I avoided it.

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Speaker 1: I was. It had a swing swinging all by itself.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, I do you know?

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Speaker 1: You can just kind of push it and then walk away.

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Speaker 1: But it was very scary. It was scary on the

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Speaker 1: order of the Unsolved Mysteries theme, which would also send

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Speaker 1: me like running out of the room.

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Speaker 2: It's funny to me that I was. I was like

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Speaker 2: that too, and I ended up like living in a

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Speaker 2: van alone in the woods, and then like built a

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Speaker 2: stopped being afraid.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is that, like I have been

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Speaker 1: literally alone in the dark, dark woods, like no other

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Speaker 1: houses nearby, like walking you know, on like kind of

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Speaker 1: a trail or a road, but like in the dark,

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Speaker 1: like without any light, and it'd just been like hm hmmm,

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Speaker 1: or like I'm going to listen to a podcast, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like I'm going to lose one of I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lose the only sense I have right now I'm fine then,

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Speaker 1: like still like cheesy. True crime often feels scarier than

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Speaker 1: the things that you feel like are most supposed to

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Speaker 1: be scary, because when you're actually alone in the woods,

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Speaker 1: you're pretty much decentering men. I would say it's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that is out there.

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Speaker 2: It is true. But then if you run across the

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Speaker 2: random man in the woods, then you're like, ah, shit,

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Speaker 2: well this is something I find. It's like double or nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel about the woods versus yes, because.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is double or nothing. Because also

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Speaker 1: it's like there have been a few different murders along

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Speaker 1: the Apple Action Trail. Yeah, but as far as we know,

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Speaker 1: no murders on the PCT. Oh really, So it's like yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's like you have to get like East Coast

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Speaker 1: And so I feel like you just have to yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, I wrote into my script the question I was

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Speaker 2: going to ask you because I had an answer for

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Speaker 2: myself in mind. When I wrote it. But the problem

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Speaker 2: is that I write a script at a different time

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Speaker 2: than I read a script. But the question I'm going

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Speaker 2: to ask each of you, because also Sophie's on the

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Speaker 2: call high.

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Speaker 1: Sophie, Hei, see ah, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Answer my question. I'm gonna ask each of you, what's

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Speaker 2: your most boomer trait?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, like half of them. I think I know mine.

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Speaker 1: I think concerts are too long, but I think boomers

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Speaker 1: might actually like lung concerts. Sophie, what's yours? I did

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Speaker 1: it last night at dinner. Hmmm. Oh, you were watching

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Speaker 1: a baseball game on your phone the entire time. You

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Speaker 1: had it on mute. It would be a boomer thing

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Speaker 1: That, and I like to leave people voicemails. Voicemails are nice.

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Speaker 2: Wait voice memos or voicemails males? Oh see, okay, that

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Speaker 1: Mine is that I am continually horrified by how much

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Speaker 1: And then if I get a good deal on something,

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about that. Like that. I

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Speaker 1: went to the grocery outlet today and I got Hamburger

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, Sarah and I both.

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Speaker 2: Really hate crowds and loudness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. We hate them so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's a that's just normal, right. Why

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Speaker 2: would anyone like a crowd in loud?

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Speaker 1: People clearly like them, you know, because they go to

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Speaker 1: music festivals on purpose, you know, it's we'll go, we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll be like, it's loud, and we'll leave. We'll literally leave.

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Speaker 2: This is fucking legit. I hate when there's multiple streams

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Speaker 2: of information at any point in my life. I'm very neurotypical.

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Speaker 2: Everyone always says that about me. I just deep dive

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Speaker 2: a new subject every week like that. Yeah. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: if there's a TV on and people are talking and

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Speaker 2: It was actually almost like one of the things I

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Speaker 2: is just like, well that just doesn't matter. That's finish.

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Speaker 2: Who fucking cares what that says? You know, no offense

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Speaker 1: But we don't speak you. We're sorry, just never came up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keetos. So we were talking about secret societies and

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Speaker 2: we just got to the founding. Well, actually, no one

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Speaker 2: actually knows this part. We're getting to the Freemasons. I

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Speaker 2: can't say the founding of the Freemasons because you know,

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Speaker 2: who knows the answer to who founded the Freemasons? Fucking

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Speaker 2: know one?

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Speaker 1: I bet oh no one. I like that even better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the Freemasons not because the other

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Speaker 2: thing is the secret shit doesn't stay secret, right, right.

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Speaker 1: That's really the thing. Yeah, Freemasons are the most famous

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Speaker 1: of all secret societies and fraternal orders in the Western world,

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Speaker 1: the most well known secret if yell, and like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I honestly haven't done a ton of research about modern masonry.

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Speaker 2: I like know some, but like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just like er at this point, right,

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Speaker 2: funny is that the more obscure and like spooky the

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Speaker 2: the name of the guy who founded the Illuminati, what

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Speaker 2: that shit in and out Freemasonry, which is less spooky, right,

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Speaker 2: no one knows its actual origins. We know that the

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Speaker 2: first recorded Freemasons, we know that their initiations. We know

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Speaker 2: that Robert More was initiated in sixteen forty one, and

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Speaker 2: that Elias Ashmole, which is a funny name, but not

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Speaker 2: in a bad way. It's not a flood. Let's not

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Speaker 2: say they.

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Speaker 1: Call a jerk off that lives in Asheville and Ashmole

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Speaker 1: in seat of an asshole. They're an ashvill That's the

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Speaker 1: obscenity free way of saying it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was really boomer of me, actually, that's another.

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Speaker 1: Some baseball Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elias Ashmole joined in sixteen forty six. These are

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Speaker 2: the people. We have dates for their initiations, And so

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Speaker 2: But they were initiated by people, right, So it's older

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Speaker 2: and probably the most likely one, It's not what I

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Speaker 2: But I'm actually starting, as I do more, as I

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Speaker 2: actual masons and architects had a society. This is what

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Speaker 2: not the foremost scholar in any of this, my assumption

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Speaker 2: is it was started by rich people who didn't actually

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Speaker 2: nature of like what if we were the Masons and

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Speaker 1: Well, and I feel like it's a term that has

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Speaker 1: some sort of like biblical association.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna say, wait to it too, well, there

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Speaker 2: you go, yah, yeah, I get it. Thanks, No, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the biblical so that actually it there's a of all

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Speaker 2: of the crafts that you could pick. Yeah, like masonry

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Speaker 2: feels very like we are the people build stuff. Only

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Speaker 2: Carpenter would feel even more biblical, you know. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: but Carpenters aren't doing as much math as like an Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Carpenters are going to right top of the world, or

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Speaker 1: at least saying it in a few years.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Karen Carpenter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No. The main thing I know about her

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Speaker 2: is that I watched the Forbidden Movie.

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Speaker 1: About Forbidden Movie by Todd Haynes.

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Speaker 2: It's called Superstar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Superstar the Karen Carpenter story because I took a

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Speaker 1: Barbie had a Barbie doll play Karen and then whittled

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Speaker 1: it down as her eating disorder progressed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you don't have to go for Barbie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, Barbie doesn't have a lot to lose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm basing my guess that they sort of

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Speaker 2: nabbed the aesthetics of masonry and guild stuff based on

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Speaker 2: the fact that they didn't let manual laborers in at

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Speaker 2: the beginning, and none of them seemed to be Masons,

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Speaker 2: and also just that like people are bad at keeping secrets.

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Speaker 2: like later labor unions are going to do a similar thing,

432
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: but they're going to be like we the workers are

433
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: going to build this, whereas Freemasons are like we the

434
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: slightly higher than workers are going to do this for you.

435
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: I think it actually might have been because they're they're

436
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: letting in laborers and stuff at this point, so it

437
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: actually might be more equal than that. But they built

438
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: this fantastic infrastructure for disseminating knowledge and without the authorities

439
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: knowing you're disseminating knowledge and for making decisions together and

440
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: doing stuff that people that if you took this and

441
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: were like, took that framework and applied something more radical,

442
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: you could really get somewhere. Enter the Illuminati.

443
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: Oh boy, welcome finally Illuminati. You are the father And.

444
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: They are the exact opposite of what people say they are.

445
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: They are absolutely a secret society. They were absolutely a

446
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: secret society, and they were absolutely opposed. All of the

447
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: people who complained about the New World Order or whatever

448
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: would join the actual Illuminati. You know, it's because it's

449
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: anyway whatever. Okay. Yeah, this guy in Bavaria, which is

450
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: now Germany, his name is Adam Weisshapt. He has a

451
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: freem He was a Freemason for a little while, and

452
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I just like can't hang with this.

453
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not into it. He was really

454
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: into the Enlightenment, but they weren't doing The Freemasons weren't

455
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: enlightening enough and do you know what the Latin word

456
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: for enlightenment is?

457
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh? Is it illuminati illuminatus illi ah, I almost said

458
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: that half a point yeah, yeah, close enough, that's our exile.

459
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, the illuminati means the enlightened ones basically, So it's.

460
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good word. It's too bad, it's you know,

461
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: it's got some associations at this point.

462
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: No, there's really nothing we could do. This is not

463
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: something worth reclaiming. Also, I think secret societies is generally

464
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: a bad idea if you're trying to do anything. Affinity

465
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: group is the new secret society. You don't need to

466
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: expand you get three to twenty people, you trust each

467
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: other and you do things together. That's all you need.

468
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Sewing circle, Just make everything a sewing circle, right, it'll

469
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: be fine.

470
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: Which is actually it. Yeah, totally, And I should do

471
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: something on the history of all that and how like

472
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: sewing circles were like deeply radical and.

473
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: Book close yeah, quilts.

474
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: The Bavarian Illuminati, as people call it sometimes when they

475
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: want to distinguish it, was not actually the first group

476
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: of people to call themselves the Illuminati. It was other

477
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: people doing a kind of similar thing, like some Gnostics

478
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: in Spain who all got killed by the Spanish Inquisition,

479
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: which nobody expects. And oh that's my most boomer trait

480
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: is fucking quoting Monty Python. Maybe I do that too.

481
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a gen X trait, which I'm not god

482
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: to think.

483
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: So well, it's just it's a it's a nurow spicy trait.

484
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. And on May first, seventeen seventy six,

485
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: Adam weish Hopt and five followers started the Illuminati May.

486
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: First, Wow, Adam weish hopped Yeah.

487
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: Wait, I don't know.

488
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: As you pointed out, I like that it's some guy

489
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: whose name we know. When he did it, it's like, oh, yeah,

490
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: fucking Adam.

491
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: He would Yeah, exactly, this guy would start the fucking Illuminati.

492
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: It's actually it's true that all people named Adam are

493
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: part of the Illuminati.

494
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, or else they make sacuals for a living.

495
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the only options for Adams. This is

496
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: a reference that went over my head, but I think it's.

497
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: It's not even a reference, It just it just feels true. Right,

498
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: they're making a sacchel.

499
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: Is this the like they're making jewelry?

500
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: Now? Funny dudes, I guess have like a cast of

501
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: characters in my brain that pop into being out of nowhere.

502
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's because it's such a liberal arts college name.

503
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: It's like your boyfriend in college who like will tell

504
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: you about how a triangle is the strongest shape when

505
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to pressure you into Yeah that's a girl

506
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: from your floor.

507
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what Adam would do, but not Illuminati Adam. Well,

508
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: no him sy to the Adams. Yeah, yeah, it is

509
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: like the first name, but like, you know whatever, well not, and.

510
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: That guy didn't quit himself very well, let's be honest.

511
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, not so good. May First. Isn't that the International

512
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: Workers Day? You might think, And it is one might,

513
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: almost certainly not a coincidence that that pagan holiday was

514
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: when Adam started the Illuminati, because he's into all the

515
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: same occult shit as all these people love. And it

516
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: is also almost certainly not a coincidence that anarchists and

517
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: other labor groups in the eighteen eighties picked May first

518
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: for a general strike in the eight hour day, and

519
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: they're for had the Haymarket affair in Boston, which leads

520
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: to May Day and May first the workers holiday. So

521
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: it is not a coincidence that Beltane and the Worker's

522
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: Day are on the same day, which is a thing

523
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: I conjectured in the very first episode I wrote of

524
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: the show, which is about May Day. But now I

525
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: can specifically say no, May first is when the Illuminati started,

526
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: and that's why the workers did it.

527
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: I love it, God see, and that's why we do

528
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: these shows.

529
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: It's magic all the way down, and I will never

530
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: run out of rend yarn on my board of connecting things.

531
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: That's what keeps life fun.

532
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: Really, it genuinely is associations between various things, like the

533
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: images and memory.

534
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: It's perfect.

535
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Adam wanted to create, as I've seen it, he wanted

536
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: to create a religion of reason but most but I

537
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: think this is kind of missing the point because it

538
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: wasn't all like we worship science in this cold, detached

539
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: we're so sciencey way the way that people when people

540
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: like when an atheist did when someone accuses an atheist

541
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: of having like sciences religion, that's not the way that

542
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: these people were doing it. They were like esoteric, right.

543
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: And he was specifically inspired by the illusion mysteries, the

544
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: Greek thing that we don't know anything about, and the Pythagoreans,

545
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: the Waco people who worship numbers and claim to be egalitarian,

546
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: but then shut down democracy and got burned. But most

547
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: of his sources, most of the sources about Illuminati, conveniently

548
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: leave out how his teachings, one of his main teachings,

549
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: or one of the teachings of the Illuminati, was that

550
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: man's original sin, what cast us out from our state

551
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: of grace was agreed to be ruled by government. So

552
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: he hates the state, the church, and private property. Yeah,

553
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: and when back in the day, like the way that

554
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: now people will be like, I hate capitalism. The way

555
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: you would say that in the like early nineteenth century,

556
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: late eighteenth century is you would say I hate private property.

557
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: But now people are like people think that means you're

558
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: their toothbrush, and and people are like, man, I'm just

559
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: like not fucking with that. I'm just gonna say capitalism,

560
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: you know, whereas it actually means like I own a

561
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: factory and everyone works for me. They mean capitalism when

562
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: they say that, you know, but whatever.

563
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because stuff is you know, very important to those

564
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: of us who don't have factories to make more of it.

565
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fuck, that's one of the deepest points I've ever had.

566
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: Any like that is so exactly if you don't have capital,

567
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: you care about your stuff because you can't get it easily. Yeah,

568
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: and so, oh my god, which is like why it's like,

569
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: this is why I don't go on and on about

570
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: private properties. It's a meaningless term to most people. And

571
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: it yeah, like like I like my stuff. I'm surrounded

572
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: by books and I'm happy about it.

573
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: You know. The idea that you can't like your stuff

574
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: creates a lot of confusion for people. Yeah, yeah, very

575
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: different in conversations, and.

576
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: People will be like, oh, I can't be a socialist

577
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: because I like my stuff, and you're like, yeah, well

578
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: that's related. I told you so. Adam wrote in a

579
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: piece called Spartacus tocato because he called himself spartacus because

580
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: he's a humble man. He's not a humble man, spoiler.

581
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: He wrote, quote, let us take liberty and equality as

582
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: the great aim of Christ's doctrines, and morality as the

583
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: way to attain it, and everything in the New Testament

584
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: will be comprehensible. Man has fallen from the condition of

585
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: liberty and equality, the state of pre nature. He is

586
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: under subordination and civil bondage arising from the vices of man.

587
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: This is the fall, the original sin. The Kingdom of

588
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Grace is that restoration which may be brought about by illumination.

589
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: So he's into writing esoteric shit, but he didn't want

590
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: to go around and tell people all at once this

591
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: is the right way. He wanted to people over to

592
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: his ideas slowly, much in contrast to how advertising works,

593
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 2: where it just says this is the thing, and then

594
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: you're like, huh, I wonder how I feel about the thing,

595
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: And it doesn't work the first time you hear it,

596
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: but by about the tenth time, you're like, you know,

597
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: online gambling might be for me, and spoiler, it's not,

598
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah it might. It happens to the

599
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: best of us, and especially when there's ads here, they

600
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: are and er back. So he's like, I don't want

601
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: to go around tell everyone this is the right way.

602
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: People have to be brought in slowly and initiated in

603
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: secret societies. And there's a couple of reasons why he

604
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: wanted to bring people in slowly. One is that ancient

605
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: wisdom folks use secrets in initiation, and he wanted to

606
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: be like the you know, Pythagoreans or whatever. But I

607
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: think the real reason and other people have claimed that

608
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: the real reason it's less about pedagogy and how to

609
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: bring people into ideas and more strategy, because if you

610
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: run around in this time period telling people, hey, we

611
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: should overthrow the kings, they just kill you.

612
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: You got to get the ball rolling a little bit

613
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: more than that.

614
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so, in order to find recruits for his

615
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: new Illuminati, he was like, you know what, I know

616
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: a group of people who are obsessed with cool secrets

617
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: and conspiracy shit. So he went to the Masonic lodges

618
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: and he converted them or infiltrated them, depending.

619
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: On your perspective on them, or in other words, I've

620
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: got a ready made audience of dupes. It's like when

621
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: you move on to another MLM and you're like, I've

622
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: still got everyone's Facebook profiles, you know.

623
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: And it's funny because it's like it's that tactic of

624
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: something that's like kind of admirable, but it's still that tactic,

625
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: you know.

626
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't. The technology changes, but the basic model,

627
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: that business model is the same.

628
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: MLMs really are the secret societies of today, aside from

630
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: just that secret societies and cults.

631
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, within three years, there was fifty four people in

632
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: five cities, and some of these folks were Enlightenment heavy

633
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: hitters like goth.

634
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: How do you pronounce goth Uh sorrows of Young brother

635
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: g Oe. Yeah, I've I've heard or I my best

636
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: approximation is Girta Gerta.

637
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it again and say Gerta like Gerta

638
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: whose name is not spelled anything like Gerta and uh

639
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: oh Gerty Yeah, and Mozart, which means I can say

640
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: that Mozart was part of an underground, secret society dedicated

641
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: to the destruction of the state, the church, hierarchy, and

642
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: private property.

643
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: And that's looks like at the America figure out, you know,

644
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I've what.

645
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: The thing I realized once I started doing, when I

646
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: fell down that particular side rabbit hole, was that I

647
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know shit about the classical composers.

648
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: I was like talking to one of my friends who's

649
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: like one of the main pe I run a lot

650
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: of this stuff by, and he was like, oh yeah,

651
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: and like as compared to like Beethoven with this one piece,

652
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, man, I know how some of

653
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: them sound. Yeah, I don't know.

654
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, enjoying music is a very different and more

655
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: meaning full skill set than remembering the dates I would think,

656
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I would.

657
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, and music was consciously part of the illuminats,

658
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: teaching about math and the universe and shit. And but

659
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: there are all these rich white guys and they just

660
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: couldn't help themselves from doing a hierarchy, even though their

661
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: whole thing is this leveling. And so they were structured

662
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: as a pyramid with various levels. The I don't know

663
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 2: I pronounce these, the minor veil, the minor veil Illuminato,

664
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 2: and then the super cool top tier the areopagites. Wow,

665
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 2: the areopagites, I know, not just regular pagites. Why would

666
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: you even bother at keeping pagites around? Oh my god,

667
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: well they don't. Actually, there's no reg Yeah. And then

668
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: in seventeen eighty three, seven years after they started, one

669
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: of the middle tier folks, one of the meaner veil Illuminato,

670
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: snitched the whole thing out to his boss, who is

671
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: a royal Bavarian duchess. Oh no, and the government was like,

672
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: we don't really want a secret society trying to bring

673
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: down the government. Specifically, the court claimed, honestly, if I'm

674
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: the actual they claimed correctly, the Illuminati was teaching Spinoza,

675
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 2: which claimed they meant that quote everything that exists is matter,

676
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: that God and the universe are the same, and that

677
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: all organized religion is a political deception devised by ambitious men.

678
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I bet we could get the White House whipped up

679
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: into a froth about people reading too much Spinoza, like

680
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: inside of a week if we put our backs into it.

681
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: We really could, and we could call it the fucking Illuminati.

682
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: And this that's how. But see, this is actually a

683
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: really good point because this is where the myth building

684
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: the modern conspiracy idea that the Illuminati is the secret

685
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: rulers who want to do bad stuff comes from the

686
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: fucking Bavarian government trying to shut down the Illuminati.

687
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Well there you freaking go.

688
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: And so it's just like Antifa.

689
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets framed as the thing that people trying

690
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: to suppress it are doing.

691
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly perfect. Yeah, when people are like Antiva's the

692
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: secret rulers of the world, You're.

693
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: Like, what are they now? Or are they eating bean

694
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: soup tonight?

695
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

696
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: No, ending there one pair of pants.

697
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Illuminati or the secret masters of the Freemasons.

698
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: And so this is what they were claiming and and

699
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: so ended the Bavarian Illuminati, or did it The answer

700
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: is yes, it did. It actually did add them because

701
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: people are really bad at secrets, so if they had continued,

702
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: we would fuck know. But the Illuminati lasts less than

703
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: a decade. But you can't stop the signal. I can't

704
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: believe I said that earnestly. I wrote it as a

705
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: joke into my script, but then I said it earnestly.

706
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: And people start setting up all kinds of other organizations.

707
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: And these are not the diffusion of the Illuminati out

708
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: among the people, right. It's not like a couple of

709
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: them got away and started new things. Rather, people would

710
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: read government propaganda against the Illuminati and were like, oh,

711
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: that sounds like a good idea. Though I want to

712
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: do that.

713
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, most enterprising. You gotta hustle. I know,

714
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: I know.

715
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: Most of these groups were pretty small, but they came

716
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: together to build a network of people devoted to revolution,

717
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: one that if I ever do French Revolution episodes, which

718
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: I really kind of hope I never have to. But

719
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: there's one called the Conspiracy of Equals, which is a

720
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: sick name, and they they tried to overthrow the first

721
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: French Revolution to make it socialist.

722
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Huh, And that would have been a good call.

723
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: I know, it probably would have saved a lot of heads.

724
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: Maybe it depends on the kind of socialism. Yeah, And

725
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: all these folks, they're in favor of leveling society politically,

726
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: and they're laying a lot of the groundwork for modern socialism.

727
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: A lot of them are pretty explicitly socialists. And one

728
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: of these conspiracy equals guys, one of the French Revolution guys.

729
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: He's on trial and his name is utterly incomprehensible to me,

730
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: but be beef. There's an F at the end, but

731
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: it's French, so probably bibe.

732
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I'll take what I can. We call him bab Ba Beefy.

733
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: We can call him bab a Beefy. Because the nice

734
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: thing about Western Europe is that it's the area where

735
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: I don't bother looking up the pronunciations ahead of time

736
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: because I'm a jerk, or if it's elsewhere in the world,

737
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: I try really hard to get it right. But I

738
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: just with French, I'm like, I have a weird nonsense

739
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: thing where I don't bother looking it up, which is

740
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: an asshole movement.

741
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I think, well, maybe it just feels nice to annoy

742
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: French people. It's a great American tradition, Yeah, exactly.

743
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: And he went on when when Baba Beef was on trial,

744
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: he went on a pretty lucid rant about how the

745
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: existence of private property where one guy owns the means

746
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: of production and other people work for that guy, creates

747
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: an unequal society.

748
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Just like heard of it.

749
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally makes sense when you put it that way.

750
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: And they remain hierarchical and pyramid shaped, all of these

751
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: fucking groups. This serves the precursor to twentieth century cell

752
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: structure of revolutions, the whole thing where you're like, you know,

753
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: like there's this whole normal people spend a lot of

754
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: time in reading twentieth century revolutionary organizational structure. I'm sure

755
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: where you have like cell structures where you know, you

756
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: only know the guy above your cell, and maybe only

757
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: one person in your cell knows the guy above your cell,

758
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: and he only knows the guy above him. And it's

759
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: probably all men because it's twentieth century. Actually unfair, they're Marxist.

760
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: That's actually probably decent, like pretty good gender parody in

761
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: this cell structure. And anyway, this is the precursor of that,

762
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: because in this secret society structure, people only know their

763
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: immediate superiors, so if someone snitches out, it doesn't fuck

764
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: up the whole thing, is the idea. I don't know

765
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: if that's really true, because a snitch brought down the

766
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: entire Illuminati, and by the end of the twentieth century,

767
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: the traditional cell structure was largely replaced with leaderless resistance

768
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: by both the left and right wing. And that's besides

769
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: the point. Meanwhile, you've got the Masons right during all

770
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: of this shit, and they are and aren't part of

771
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 2: this new diffuse network. Every Mason lodge is a little

772
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: bit different, and some are revolutionary as hell, and some

773
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: of them aren't. One group. I love the names that

774
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: these people come up with. Yeah, a group called the

775
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Sublime Perfect Masters.

776
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so good, I know.

777
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: And these are the people who are going to kind

778
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: of like basically do Leninism. Oh, the Sublime Perfect Masters

779
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: join a bunch of lodges and convert them to become

780
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: more revolutionary. And who joins these lodges but a guy

781
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: who's obviously a household name to my household and almost

782
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: know on others is Louis August Blonkey. You ever heard

783
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: of Blonkey? I don't think so. This is one of

784
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: these things that there's no reason why you should have.

785
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: But in my mind I was like, oh, shit, Blonkey.

786
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, oh, that's not a self explanatory thing.

787
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking of Harold broad Key. It's a

788
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: different person.

789
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: Blonkiy is sort of the proto Bolshevik. He's not even

790
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: a Marxist. Is before Marx gets any kind of traction,

791
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: But he's really into the kind of revolution where like

792
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: it's authoritarian and led by a leader, right, And he

793
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: spends a lot of his time in prison for trying

794
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: to overthrow the government, because again, governments don't like being overthrown,

795
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: most of them. Obviously the Democratic Republic of the United

796
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: States wanted to be overthrown because no one put up

797
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: any kind of fuss when that happened. But you know whatever,

798
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: But he's not up against democrats. He's up against people

799
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: with spines, so they throw in prison. Sorry I'm being salty.

800
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: The Blankiest were some of the most radical factions during

801
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: the Pairs Commune and whatever. The Pairs Commune is the

802
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: crucible in which modern leftism is formed, as I've covered

803
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of times in the show, So all my

804
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: red strings that are all coming together.

805
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that.

806
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: And the revolutionaries in earliest nineteenth century are super underground

807
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: because and they're organizing these secret societies. But the government,

808
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: the various governments, are like, oh fuck, we got all

809
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: these secret societies. What are we going to do? And

810
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: one thing that's come up when I talk about twentyth

811
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: century shit is that all the bosses will get together

812
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: and form a union. When the workers form a union,

813
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: all the bosses of all the different industries will form

814
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: a counter revolutionary union. And you'll see this in like

815
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: the Newsies episode where like the newspapers, who were ostensibly

816
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: against each other, we're like, well, wants to be crushed

817
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: these small children? Yeah, we who built our empire for us.

818
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: Then we can go back to arguing with each other.

819
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you gotta crush the children.

820
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: Because the rich have class solidarity, so so should we.

821
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: God yeah, And nineteenth century Europe had a version of

822
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: that too. This is the real, fucking If you want

823
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: the actual thing that people claim that the Illuminati is,

824
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: it's called the fucking Holy Alliance. And they didn't hide

825
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: it because they don't have to because they are the

826
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: kings of every fucking country and the goddamn Catholic Church working.

827
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: Togay, right, which I feel like, yeah, you've been saying

828
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: this this whole time, like if you're actually controlling the government,

829
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: then you don't have to keep it a secret and

830
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: you just be like, hey, you can't do anything to me.

831
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?

832
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally the rules. Yeah, and with the Holy Alliance

833
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: is the origin of international policing and to keep track

834
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: of these secret societies, which is funny because I had

835
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: read for a long time that the origin of international

836
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: policing was the early twentieth century trying to crack down

837
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: on anarchists in the bureau. But that was the Republic's

838
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: doing it, where it was the royalties the kingdoms were

839
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: doing it.

840
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: Before that, huh.

841
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: And the secret societies were like, all right, one of

842
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: them said to another one, for example, quote, the conspiracy

843
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: of kings must be answered with the conspiracy of peoples.

844
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, heck, yes, it must.

845
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: So they tried to do one, and they created the

846
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: first International aka the International Workingmen's Association, uspiciously like a union. Yeah. God,

847
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: I actually you know, it's funny as I can't map

848
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I shouldn't be able to map the

849
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: rise of unionism much more about unionism starting like the

850
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: eighteen eighties or is this gonna be the eighteen sixties.

851
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they I don't know either.

852
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: But the IWA is like a federation of workers, and

853
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: it's all men at first, and then later you're like, well,

854
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: what what that's an annoying name. What about women? Well,

855
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: don't worry. The anarchists agree, and they're going to later

856
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: start the International Working People's Association instead, which is funny

857
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: because they could have just gone with workers whatever.

858
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: They want to differentiate themselves from working you know, horses

859
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: and stuff.

860
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the first international Sorry, I just I was

861
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: like paying attention. I was about to read, so I

862
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, yeah, and I think no, no, yeah, they.

863
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, horses down the hall, down the hall, second door

864
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: on the left, that's your group.

865
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the International Horses Associated Working Horses Association. And

866
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: so this is the thing that modern Marxism and anarchism

867
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: and all of these things come out of, is the IWA.

868
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: And literally there's like pissing matches between anarchists and communists

869
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: in it, and all of the usual, all the bad

870
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: shit that we're used to about the left too, also

871
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: comes out of this, you know, like people arguing about

872
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: all the shit endlessly. But when they get together eighteen

873
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: sixty two, they're like, we want to have preliminary meetings

874
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: to come up with our thing. We're going to start

875
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty four, but eighteen sixty two, we're gonna

876
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: start planning. Where are we going to meet? And the

877
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: answer is in Masonic lodges.

878
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Cabo, but yeah, that's much better.

879
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: And specifically there are these Memphite lodges, which is named

880
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: after what they think is like some Egyptian shit. And

881
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: these are the like French exiled prudentists from France who

882
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: are over there and.

883
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: They they love to cook the from the Paul Prudom cookbook.

884
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know another prudal.

885
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: This is a Prudom and not a Prudeom, but he's like,

886
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: he's a Cajane chef who has had many great cookbooks.

887
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: And one of them has a recipe for tradecan that

888
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: I actually made one time and it.

889
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: Came shit really good. You've got it to duck and

890
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: to come out.

891
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's I think it's actually easier than a

892
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: regular turkey because when you think about it, like you've

893
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: stuffed it with the duck, like what does a turkey

894
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: need to be full of something oily?

895
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't know how to cook meat. I

896
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: I agree with.

897
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: That's not true, Sarah. Okay, thank you made it for Duncan.

898
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I did, but only the one time.

899
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: I like you.

900
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: Magpie can do a project. Yeah, yeah, Sophie and I

901
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: have Sophie can also make a great stake for the record.

902
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: I think that people need to know that it's true.

903
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: It is important. Yeah, it is known, Okay. And so

904
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: the final thing I'm going to do is I'm going

905
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: to tie in. So they all meet at this Masonic lodge.

906
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: Is a bunch of Masons are the people who start it.

907
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: And he's like French anarchists who come over. Prudhon's the

908
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: first guy to be like, oh, I'm an anarchist, but

909
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: he's actually not really like modern anarchists. He's a different

910
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: kind of guy. But anyway, and he's also a misogynist,

911
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: but he is also I think he probably was gay

912
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: and didn't know it, but that doesn't really excuse it,

913
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: and actually really early on other leftist anarchists were like, hey, Pudmin,

914
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: we kind of like someone what you said, but fuck you.

915
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: What about women? You piece of shit? Like literally within

916
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years people are like, yeah, we're done

917
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: with you guy. Uh into the dustbin of history. I know,

918
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: I know, totally canceled. And the thing that is interesting

919
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: about them coming out of Masonic shit is, you know,

920
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: people are like, they see various symbols and they're like,

921
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: that's secretly the fucking Illuminati and Masonic seals. Sometimes they're running, Mmm,

922
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I love it. The red star of communism the second

923
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: order in mason Masonry. At the time, I don't know

924
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: about it. Currently, I don't know shit about modern masonry.

925
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: You were called a comrade. So that's where fucking comrade

926
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: comes from, what I think. And the symbol of that,

927
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: that second thing was a fucking five pointed star. And

928
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: that is, at least according to one author, where the

929
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: communists star comes from. And so it why not is

930
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: an occultist reference, then.

931
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of occultism we're imagining.

932
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally exactly. It's it's working class, an artisan like.

933
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: Thing in the world, the working class. We've come full circle.

934
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghosts, the specter of the taunting Europe, and

935
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: then the other one that this one caught me by

936
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: surprise because I never knew the answer to this, the

937
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: circle A of anarchism. It's usually people are like, oh,

938
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: it means order and anarchy. That's like the main thing

939
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: people will tell you.

940
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: I never wondered about it. I just thought it looked cool.

941
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

942
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: I know, it's really easy to graffiti, is That's why

943
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm stuck around. Easier to graffiti than a hammer and sickle,

944
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: although I will say overall a hammer and sickle is

945
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: like a pretty beautiful symbol. I don't I'm not a

946
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a believer in but like,

947
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: it's it's a good symbol. I credit where it's due.

948
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: The circle A probably originates from the logo of the

949
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: Spanish branch of the International Workingsmen in Association, which was anarchist.

950
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the different branches were largely the

951
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: like Latin countries were anarchists, and then the like German,

952
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: like England, and you're literally yawning is explained this part.

953
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Oh, no, it's just the hour. I yeah, no,

954
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: this is great.

955
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: And the more Germanic speaking like England and Germany were

956
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: more Marxists, and the further south to go, the more anarchist.

957
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: It was, Oh that's interesting and there, and the logo

958
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: of the Spanish one was basically a circle A with

959
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of Masonic flare. It was like kind

960
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: of a little bit it looks like a mason's tool,

961
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: even with a little dangly bit at the bottom to

962
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: figure out if your plum, you know.

963
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: And it was a plumbob. Yeah.

964
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a fucking plumb bob on it. That's

965
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: the word. And that's where the goddamn circle a come from.

966
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: Some Masonic influence. Shit.

967
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like kind of as with a

968
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff, you know, that we've talked about

969
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: in the past couple episodes, it's like, yeah, it's real.

970
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: It's just the stuff that idiots have projected onto it

971
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: aren't true, and they're not made more true by, you know,

972
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: by the symbolism appearing elsewhere. Yeah, And I guess it's like, yeah,

973
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I think it is much scarier to accept that, like

974
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: the people who decide what happens in the world and

975
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: have a stranglehold on us. Don't have to be secretive

976
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: about it because they know that they're nobody can do

977
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: anything about it, or at least they are very confident

978
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: about that. But perhaps they don't they shouldn't be.

979
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: They do seem to get really really scared when they

980
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: suddenly realize that people got really excited. Like, not the

981
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: actions of the people doing the really let's say, very

982
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: direct stuff that's happened in the past couple past year

983
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: or so, yeah, but the reaction where people were like,

984
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: oh see, you know, got got that's cool, and when

985
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: they were like, wait, people think that's cool.

986
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I bet Sacho and Vanzetti were pretty attractive too, you know, yeah,

987
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: yeah aliens. No, yeah, it's another scary time for oligarchs

988
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: of leftist girls loving Italians in jail. You know, no,

989
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: it's a scary times. It feels nice to be able

990
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: to inspire just a little bit of fear in section

991
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: oppressive force. I don't think there's anything wrong with that totally.

992
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: And it's solidarity between people that scares them. It is

993
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: people saying like we all have each other's backs, including

994
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: the people who are doing things that we wouldn't do.

995
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: But we have class solidarity against they have class solidarity

996
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: against us. We need class solidarity against them, and that's

997
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: what fucking scares them. Yeah.

998
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: And also, as we've been talking about, I think if

999
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: you have people who have no sense of loyalty to

1000
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: each other, because that's just not what they're about, there's

1001
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: something scary about seeing people who have genuine solidarity and

1002
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: loyalty and belief in a cause, Because if you believe

1003
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: in nothing and you have loyalty to nothing aside from yourself,

1004
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: then like that's a power that you can't even comprehend,

1005
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: let alone use totally, and it must be fucking lonely.

1006
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, I don't feel bad for them, but like,

1007
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: happy people don't call up Fox and Friends and hold

1008
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: them hostage for an hour. They just don't.

1009
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, happy people don't disinherit their trans daughter and then

1010
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: go on a massive campaign to destroy trans people everywhere,

1011
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: because you.

1012
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: Know, I've never seen a happy person do that, you know,

1013
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: I really haven't. No.

1014
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's even like there's regular as transphobic parents

1015
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: of trans kids everywhere that don't do that, you know,

1016
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 2: that are like I don't get it, But you're still

1017
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: mo or whatever.

1018
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go down to the Applebee's and complain,

1019
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: yeah to Kaylee, but I still he makes me another mudslide.

1020
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: But I'll also probably get fucking angry if anyone talks

1021
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 2: shit on you, because you're a goddamn kid. Yeah.

1022
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: And also even if you're just like, if you're at

1023
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: the level where you're gonna, you know, where you're not

1024
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: able to get past that, then like you still probably

1025
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: aren't taking it to a national scaler making it your

1026
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: whole job. You know, it's being a bigot in your

1027
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: free time, and even that's much better.

1028
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, volunteer bigot. Yeah for sake, Sarah. Yes, God, well

1029
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: that's what I got with the When the right wing

1030
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: accuses the left wing of being a secret of all conspiracy,

1031
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: they are presenting it upside down truth. The real masters

1032
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: of the world are not secret because they don't have

1033
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: to be. They fucking known everything and are in charge

1034
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: of everything. And sometimes we have to be secret. But

1035
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: largely these days that's not how people organize. People tend

1036
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: to organize in labor unions, in mutual aid societies. People

1037
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: tend to organize in the open because it has a

1038
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 2: lot of strategic advantages.

1039
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: So don't don't more in organize. I'm sorry, I said

1040
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: don't more in organize where you're about to say that

1041
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: exact thing.

1042
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Love it? Yeah, so I don't know, Uh, you guys

1043
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: thing you want plug? Oh? Yeah, you have a podcast

1044
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: coming out of October twentieth, I do.

1045
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a mini series coming out from CBC

1046
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: Podcasts that's called The Devil. You know it really it

1047
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: gets into a lot of these themes, right, because it's

1048
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: about exploring the satanic panic, you know that we're repeating now,

1049
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: but looking at the eighties specifically and the kind of

1050
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 1: lingering shadow of it really throughout the nineties, and trying

1051
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: to just learn from some people who experienced it that

1052
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: go around and who got caught up in it in

1053
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: some of the worst ways possible. And yet we're so

1054
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: amazing to talk to and to. I don't know, I

1055
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: think through these stories we can see a lot of

1056
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about today, which is that the

1057
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: more you project onto marginalized groups, the more you reveal

1058
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: what you're really up to as the mainstream or the

1059
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: ruling class and as society.

1060
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the like every accusation is a confession thing.

1061
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And it's and I feel like

1062
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that history can do for

1063
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: us is to I give us a sense of solidarity

1064
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: with people through time. Right, because these things recur, moral

1065
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: panics recur, the need for solidarity remains pretty evergreen. And

1066
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: for the same reasons. And also because if we study

1067
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: the past, we have a better sense of how to

1068
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: maintain some balance in the present. And you know, it

1069
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: gives you the ability to say, oh, I know, I

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Speaker 1: know this one, I know this one. Sometimes that really helps.

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Speaker 2: It does when they're like, fool me once or fool

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Speaker 2: someone I read about once, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we have a saying in Texas, fool me once,

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Speaker 1: shame on you. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that wacky president who looks like an angel in comparison,

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Speaker 2: what a terrible world.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He seems he's friends with Ellen Degeneress.

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Speaker 2: You know, the world to be so much better if

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Speaker 2: we just encourage certain people to only paint and not

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Speaker 2: get into politics.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like Sylvester Stallone could really take that

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Speaker 1: advice about now to stick to the paintings. Sly for

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Speaker 1: God's sake, they're really pretty good paintings.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, all right, lot of.

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Speaker 1: Boxers you know. Anyway, So yeah, I have that podcast

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Speaker 1: coming out, The Devil. You know, Sophie has talked me

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Speaker 1: through the whole process as I was making it, because

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Speaker 1: journalism is very hard, hagag journalist. And when the work

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Speaker 1: and the people are wonderful, it's still hard because there's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of witnessing to be done

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Speaker 1: of the things that we have done to people in

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Speaker 1: this country. But yeah, it's out October twentieth. It's a

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Speaker 1: mini series. There's going to be eight episodes. There's going

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Speaker 1: to be bonus episodes as well, and I'm just so

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Speaker 1: happy to be able to bring it out and to

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Speaker 1: share just the testimony of some of the really truly

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Speaker 1: amazing people who I got to talk to for it

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Speaker 1: and who made me feel pretty proud of human beings

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Speaker 1: in addition to everything else.

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Speaker 2: Ock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm excited about all am I right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about I'm going to listen to it

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Speaker 2: pretty much soon as it comes out.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited all the way.

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Speaker 2: Is it like it's going to come out slowly? It's

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Speaker 2: going to be an episode of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to come out serially, although we do

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Speaker 1: night dingeons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might, I might.

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Speaker 1: Wait, we're going to find out wait until Xmas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to see whether I can wait. But

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Speaker 2: I do like binging on these things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: So you got anything you want to plug? Season two

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Speaker 2: of sad oligarc is out now. Hell yeah, what I

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Speaker 2: want to plug? Hopefully this is last week's news and

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Speaker 2: not this week's news, but I want you to look

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Speaker 2: and find out if it's still this week's news is

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Speaker 2: last week, in addition to other times, the Israeli government

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Speaker 2: kidnapped a bunch of people on international waters from an

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Speaker 2: AID flotilla, and some people, as I record this, are

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Speaker 2: still in captivity. And there's a campaign you can go

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Speaker 2: to Mutual ad Disaster Relief on Instagram or other places

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Speaker 2: that people are tracking this stuff with the AID flotillas.

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Speaker 2: And there's a campaign to put pressure on senators and

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Speaker 2: like people to protect their constituents because there's American citizens

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Speaker 2: among the people who are currently in Israeli captivity. And

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Speaker 2: I am not a I'll be honest, no one's gonna

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Speaker 2: be surprised by this. Based on what I talk about.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a call your senator's activist as a general thing.

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Speaker 2: That is not my default mode, but I did, and

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Speaker 2: I it would mean a lot to me personally that

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Speaker 2: if those people are still in captivity, you put pressure

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Speaker 2: to try and get them the list, and if they're

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Speaker 2: already free, then fuck yeah. And I'm sure there's still

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Speaker 2: a lot to be done. You all in the future

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Speaker 2: know better about what happened at the ceasefire than we

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Speaker 2: do as we record this. Good I don't. We'll find out,

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Speaker 2: all right. Thanks everyone. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff

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Speaker 2: is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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