Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickets of the Draft podcast, presented
Speaker 1: by Sea Geek, we talked draft strategies and what makes
Speaker 1: a good comp We go deep fred Es deep on
Speaker 1: the quarterback talk. That's like twenty minutes of conversation. Love
Speaker 1: that we got a mock draft draft battle, which we love.
Speaker 1: We talked about the first three picks, Fred smoot Zach
Speaker 1: Selby in the house. It all starts right out. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Ticket of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson
Speaker 1: here with just a guy, Jason, Jesu, zach A Selby
Speaker 1: and Fretz who.
Speaker 2: We got a big cast today.
Speaker 1: Man, it's really really exciting and just reminder tick too.
Speaker 1: A draft is presented by Seakeeek, the official primary ticketing
Speaker 1: partner of the Washington Commanders, and Jason. We got a
Speaker 1: really fun show today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This is actually Selby's idea.
Speaker 2: Selby, Yeah, yeah, the brain trust, I big idea.
Speaker 4: You want to explain what's going on? This is yours.
Speaker 4: I don't want to take your thunder.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking, like everyone know these
Speaker 2: pffraft simulators all the time, right, So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, what what if we all did we all know,
Speaker 2: you know drafts, draft guys. We know all these prospects,
Speaker 2: so why don't see who has the best draft? Because
Speaker 2: we all like competition? Right Yeah, now as good as
Speaker 2: logan is. I mean, friend, now you know we're going
Speaker 2: to put our differences inside, yes for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, put together baking differences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, making differences.
Speaker 3: It's competition.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm going to say this too. I
Speaker 1: think people are sleeping on just the guy Jason over
Speaker 1: here at his evaluation because I was I tell you this.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that story. I will say for
Speaker 1: the podcast. And I was out doing something el coach
Speaker 1: in high school football when high school coaches came up
Speaker 1: to me and said, Hey, who's just a guy Jason?
Speaker 1: He's really smart? Is he like a scout? And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, he's the producer.
Speaker 2: But obviously takes are being well received somebody.
Speaker 3: They might have shout out.
Speaker 2: To coach bar shout out to coach Barb.
Speaker 5: That's just when you put a microphone or a camera
Speaker 5: in front of somebody and they speak confidently, people tend
Speaker 5: to believe it, right. So that's all I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: Speak comics all the sense of the world. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would say my evaluations are pretty surface level.
Speaker 5: But I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, coach, what's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 1: So so basically we're drafting the first two rounds for
Speaker 1: the Commanders, yes, which.
Speaker 5: Is three total pigs, yeah, number two, thirty six forty. Uh,
Speaker 5: there's four of us here, but we're gonna do it
Speaker 5: as teams. Fred and Selby and Logan and I and
Speaker 5: uh yeah, I think those are pretty dynamic.
Speaker 6: Maybe when you need hip you go O is so
Speaker 6: you go smooth at Yale. This is what we do
Speaker 6: right now you need him?
Speaker 3: Yeah s O s O.
Speaker 1: You said you need to smoot and Selby doesn't A.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's basically yeah, it's it's speil German
Speaker 6: with an O A.
Speaker 2: There's with a lot. Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We could have put Fred and Logan on the same team.
Speaker 5: We got to keep that competition going. And because Logan
Speaker 5: and I have been doing this podcast already together, it
Speaker 5: made sense.
Speaker 2: Restaurant peered in.
Speaker 5: So you guys are kind of a power house because
Speaker 5: Logan's going to do most of the heavy lifting on
Speaker 5: this end.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 5: But before we begin, before we begin this draft, to
Speaker 5: see how the Commanders what we.
Speaker 4: Could end up with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we should talk about draft strategies because
Speaker 5: the point of this exercise is to show how diverse
Speaker 5: these picks can be depending on who's making the pick,
Speaker 5: what the dynamic is in the room, what your draft
Speaker 5: strategy is going in. So let's talk about that for
Speaker 5: you guys. Yeah, what's your draft strategy for today?
Speaker 6: Well, I think you got two options. You eat the
Speaker 6: best player available type?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: Are you a field necessity type? Dude? Do we feel spots?
Speaker 3: I think me and Salem be one of those people.
Speaker 3: We see holes and we want to feel ectly that's
Speaker 3: how you feel.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh? Yeah, I mean you look at this team.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different holes that could fill. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's also some really dynamic players. So it kind of
Speaker 2: works out a little bit where you have the best
Speaker 2: player available at the positions of need. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it really works out because it's like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of really good players, especially in the top part of
Speaker 2: this draft.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm also one to know people.
Speaker 6: When I look at a roster, I ask myself what
Speaker 6: room do I want to add youth to because I
Speaker 6: can't feel every position with youth. Right, So at the end,
Speaker 6: of the day, I say, who needs a youth infusion?
Speaker 3: And I think we.
Speaker 6: Got like four or five spots, especially on offense, they
Speaker 6: probably need that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so that when I hear best player available,
Speaker 1: I get I like cringe a little bit, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as I just maybe because friend said it,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So what I mean by that is like,
Speaker 1: best player available is a really interesting idea because you
Speaker 1: got best player available in terms of fit, and like
Speaker 1: you said, we need to fill needs. You should never
Speaker 1: fill a need in the draft. That's just my personal opinion. Right,
Speaker 1: free agencies coming up, we should fill the needs there,
Speaker 1: and then we can make sure we get guys that
Speaker 1: again we think are best player available air quotes there
Speaker 1: and that fit the team culture, right, because best player
Speaker 1: available for me and my team and dan Quinn's culture
Speaker 1: here is going to be different than what it is
Speaker 1: for Dallas, right, and what we can accommodate when within
Speaker 1: each and every room. So we're doing this off of
Speaker 1: like talent and film study. But really I think the
Speaker 1: secret sauce is the secret magic sauce for these evaluations
Speaker 1: comes in the meeting and like, hey, I've worked with
Speaker 1: player X right. I think he's a great guy. I
Speaker 1: could coach him. I believe in him, and that motivates
Speaker 1: me as a coach to invest more time in him
Speaker 1: and make sure I see that development, because I think
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Is as good as some of
Speaker 1: these guys are, there's very few guys that are like
Speaker 1: plug and play day one talents.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's all a projection. So it's like, what is the
Speaker 1: most favoral projection I would say in terms of best
Speaker 1: player available? This is the language I would use, what
Speaker 1: is the best projection to the team based on the
Speaker 1: infrastructure of the environment we have, Because it is it's
Speaker 1: all projections. Outside of like Joe Wall, Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 1: everybody's projecting big time to the NFL level. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what people need to understand about this process
Speaker 1: is like, that's why the draft, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: such a crapshoot, because people forget that it's not a
Speaker 1: one to one, it's like a ten to one. You honestly,
Speaker 1: it's just a different football game. The college game is
Speaker 1: the NFL. So our goal here on this side is
Speaker 1: to find what we feel is the best fit from
Speaker 1: a cultural mindset, standpoint and make sure that player is
Speaker 1: insulated and grows within the culture here.
Speaker 6: See, that's why I love having the Shelby's analytics. You know.
Speaker 6: The thing that we do over here is we understand
Speaker 6: there's going to be things that we can't control in
Speaker 6: the draft, and it's gonna be two or three players
Speaker 6: that dry that drop that we don't think that's gonna
Speaker 6: drop that we're gonna say, you know what we might
Speaker 6: come past.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'll spent hours put in not a
Speaker 2: big board, but a mini board. Mini people.
Speaker 1: How many people on your mini board?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, so I got that one?
Speaker 1: Fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, okay, yeah, yeah, all right, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough.
Speaker 5: So I have a question about who cares? I have
Speaker 5: a question bounced off and bouncing off of that, I'll
Speaker 5: open it up to everybody. So when they when people
Speaker 5: say best player available, right, as a fan, when I
Speaker 5: sit back, the Ravens were always tied to that, Oh,
Speaker 5: they always take the best player available. And to me
Speaker 5: it was like, well, that means it doesn't matter if
Speaker 5: they already have five matter, they're taking one, right, But
Speaker 5: they didn't really always do That's how they go back
Speaker 5: and look at how it is carshing is what does
Speaker 5: best player available mean?
Speaker 4: Does that mean the best.
Speaker 3: Player in I was there for the best player available?
Speaker 6: Okay, I was slotted for the mid first round to
Speaker 6: write it top to the ten, and I dropped.
Speaker 3: I dropped twenty picks.
Speaker 6: And now a team like Washington that had Dion sanders
Speaker 6: Dale Green and Champ Bailey says, no, we're gonna get
Speaker 6: the best player available. Hints didn't think he was gonna dropped.
Speaker 6: Sometimes they say, all right, I gotta pull a trigger
Speaker 6: on this when I can't, Like like Logan said, Jiff Cuby,
Speaker 6: draft the player of the phill a gap don't mean
Speaker 6: he gonna fill a gap.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what sometimes.
Speaker 6: Forced people to say, you know what, let me scratch
Speaker 6: this out of my board, let me go get this
Speaker 6: guy while I got a chance to get him, because
Speaker 6: I don't know if I can find this talent anywhere
Speaker 6: else in the draft.
Speaker 1: Well. I think a really good example is like the
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton thing from a couple of years ago. Purfect,
Speaker 1: like he's you know what, we were supposed to go
Speaker 1: top ten, potentially to sixteen. But I do think the
Speaker 1: interesting thing about that that specific situation is people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should have taken Kyle Hamilton. Is I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's the best player available for Washington because I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they had a very clear vision of how
Speaker 1: to use them right. You know, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: played post safety in college what was obviously going to
Speaker 1: be more of a box player in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: so we had a guy here already in cam Throll
Speaker 1: that was a box player that were really happy with, right,
Speaker 1: So how did we see that role? And so I
Speaker 1: think what Baltimore did a good job of was saying,
Speaker 1: this is the best player available, but we have a
Speaker 1: vision for how to use this guy, right. And it's
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that people forget. It's not
Speaker 1: they they draft good football players that are tough and physical.
Speaker 1: I think that's something people forget about in the evaluation.
Speaker 1: Everyone sees like these high flying one handed interceptions or
Speaker 1: like the beautiful pass set from the right side three.
Speaker 1: They see that stuff, right, but it's really, are you tough?
Speaker 1: Are you motivated to get better? Because those things are awesome?
Speaker 1: And then talent, and then do we have as an
Speaker 1: organization a vision for the direction you're going and so
Speaker 1: I think that's when I see Baltimore. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're necessarily taking the best player available. I think they're
Speaker 1: taking talented players, but they have a very clear vision
Speaker 1: for that player. And you look at teams that draft
Speaker 1: well like I think another great example is the San Francisco.
Speaker 1: It's awesome because I Peters this year, right, they drafted
Speaker 1: George Kittle, and I remember talking to guys about George
Speaker 1: and they were saying, oh, I have him as a
Speaker 1: full back. I have him, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna make it especial teams guy. And I remember
Speaker 1: watching his film, like after he got drafted to San
Speaker 1: franz I was like, he's gonna be awesome in this
Speaker 1: offense because he does what they do in this offense
Speaker 1: really well. Can run routes, and he's good at like
Speaker 1: shouldering through contact and getting getting open in the seam.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like he could run every route, but
Speaker 1: he was good at that stuff. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where people forget. It's like, what is maybe best player
Speaker 1: available for me and this team and this organization. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets a little bit money,
Speaker 1: because you know, people say Oh, well, you reached on
Speaker 1: that guy or this guy fell Maybe that wasn't the
Speaker 1: right fit for that specific team.
Speaker 6: But if you get who you like, I don't think
Speaker 6: you ever reached because I know, but.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like because if you have it,
Speaker 1: if you get who you like and you have a
Speaker 1: vision for that, that's the thing. If you have a
Speaker 1: vision for that player, right, Zach, Yeah, then you're you're
Speaker 1: right in the right money, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, in plus on top of Lley, how many
Speaker 2: times has been the best player available quote unquote been
Speaker 2: drafted by a team who doesn't have the right vision.
Speaker 2: Of a sudden they become a like a quote unquote
Speaker 2: bus because I really workout and then coaching staffs get overturned.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that happens all the time. So that's why
Speaker 2: it's just important. Even though it is a crapshoot. Thwarton
Speaker 2: had come in there with as much information as you
Speaker 2: possibly can to make the right decision for you.
Speaker 5: Sooby, let me ask you another layer to that. Does
Speaker 5: position value like a quarterback and what you're saving in
Speaker 5: money as a rookie matter to best player available?
Speaker 4: Does that tie into that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it does, especially whenever you need
Speaker 2: a quarterback. That definitely helps out right, because I've always
Speaker 2: heard that if you if you whenever you draft quarterback,
Speaker 2: you have to resetting your franchise five years at least
Speaker 2: that's what you want, right, I mean, so financial or financially, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean and especially considered how quarterbacks are
Speaker 2: being paid these days. I mean they're getting paid fifty
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars against the cab, Like that's that's a
Speaker 2: significant amount of investing you're putting in one guy because
Speaker 2: they can they can change the game so much. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like best play available a quarterback, Like you need to
Speaker 2: find a guy like that. And luckily Washington is in
Speaker 2: a good position where they either they have two or
Speaker 2: three guys they could easily say this could be a
Speaker 2: franchise guy if we've developed in the right way.
Speaker 1: I think now it's it's quarterback, but it's also other
Speaker 1: positions of value. And I think it's you know, PFF
Speaker 1: for an analyticsis in general, but I think it's like
Speaker 1: you look at quarterback, you look at receiver, you look
Speaker 1: at offensive linemen and don't I don't think it's a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Read You've talked about this a bunch off air off
Speaker 1: camera like that, there's going to be probably about eight
Speaker 1: to nine offensive linemen in the first round. There's probably
Speaker 1: going to be six or seven receivers in the first round.
Speaker 1: And then who are the other guys defensive backs and
Speaker 1: pass rushing rush and those are the guys that, again,
Speaker 1: are the value adds to your team. Like, I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people saying that A and M
Speaker 1: linebacker might go in the first round, Cooper, but when
Speaker 1: you look at the history of linebacker, if you get
Speaker 1: an elite linebacker, it's.
Speaker 2: A value add to your roster.
Speaker 1: But if it's a developmental guy like Selby said, right,
Speaker 1: that's five years of developing a guy to get him
Speaker 1: to a point where another team can pay him, he'd
Speaker 1: be good for that team. Yeah. Right, So it's about
Speaker 1: these these players that can add value immediately each to
Speaker 1: your team. Like there was a reason guards don't go
Speaker 1: in the first round or centers to be lower value,
Speaker 1: right because based on the numbers analytically, they don't support
Speaker 1: in increased wins.
Speaker 2: I guess is why I.
Speaker 6: Can take a less of tackle and make him a guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that's that's the thing about that.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about position value is like I think
Speaker 1: you'll see, you're seeing it more and more each year.
Speaker 1: Receivers getting pushed up, quarterbacks obviously every single year, but
Speaker 1: offensive linemen and edge rushers are the guys where there's
Speaker 1: a ton of ton of value to those positions.
Speaker 6: And he go, think about it, thirty two players taking
Speaker 6: in the first round. I hate to see it, but
Speaker 6: it's such a reality. Fifty percent of these guys might
Speaker 6: not paying out. And I'm sorry, I know everybody think
Speaker 6: that that first thirty two is where the magic happens at.
Speaker 6: I think I give all the draft gurrules props for
Speaker 6: finding the second round, third round, fourth round, fifth round talents.
Speaker 2: The NFB value really comes into play.
Speaker 3: And this this when I think you get the meat
Speaker 3: of your team.
Speaker 6: Most seventy percent of eight of the NFL is none
Speaker 6: drafted seven round and six rounds that make up the roster.
Speaker 6: Because think about this, if you port it at first
Speaker 6: thirty two, you only got showed so long to show
Speaker 6: me that you.
Speaker 2: Big big point is guys like John Bates right and
Speaker 2: do anything flashy, But I think rosters need a guy
Speaker 2: like John Bates who doesn't do anything exactly. No, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you got Cannis Street builders.
Speaker 5: All right, A real quick exercise before we begin. Just
Speaker 5: give me a name. Who is the best player in
Speaker 5: the draft.
Speaker 6: They're saying a lot, uh you first, Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: And so for me, this is this is how I
Speaker 1: would value this. And again this is where like a
Speaker 1: big board is different than like a draft board. Obviously,
Speaker 1: on my draft board, Caleb Williams is the best player
Speaker 1: because he's the most value, right, But in terms of projection,
Speaker 1: easiest projection in the NFL, A guy that just you know,
Speaker 1: you look at Marthis Harrison Jr. His release package is excellent,
Speaker 1: his contested catchability is excellent, his ability to run the
Speaker 1: whole routter received. He's got the he's got the blood line.
Speaker 1: So we talked about project The projection for him is
Speaker 1: like stepping off a curb un failure. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's not fair, because there
Speaker 1: is like I could trip on the curb and fall
Speaker 1: in the street.
Speaker 3: But as much guaranteed a scene.
Speaker 1: So that's why he is he's the he's the best
Speaker 1: player because the projections the shortest, right, And obviously Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams is the guy you're going to take first overall
Speaker 1: if you're Chicago or whoever, right, whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying is guys like that, Guys
Speaker 1: like Joe Walt is another guy. The projection is stepping
Speaker 1: off a curb, right, Whereas a guy like I know
Speaker 1: Malik Dagbors is his ceiling is way higher, maybe than even.
Speaker 3: You don't feel like it's a true guarantee.
Speaker 1: He's not a guarantee the same way those other two guys.
Speaker 6: But I feel like Rome, he is go to the
Speaker 6: thing that makes me not peak. Harrison is the best
Speaker 6: player because I don't see the gamp.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this too, but so because for me,
Speaker 1: the gap is the speed. I think. I think you're
Speaker 1: I think I agree. Rome is excellent. Roman Dunze the
Speaker 1: receiver from you do right, He's excellent. He's an excellent
Speaker 1: football player. But I see with Harrison, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna run well, I think he's gonna jump well. I
Speaker 1: think physically everything's gonna be there. With Rome, I just
Speaker 1: want to do I want to know he runs a
Speaker 1: four to four because right now, if he runs a
Speaker 1: four to five high four five, I'm like.
Speaker 3: It's gonna push him out of the top team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're like, what is he really because contested,
Speaker 1: all that stuff you're talking about is there. But I
Speaker 1: want to see you. I got to see him run
Speaker 1: with Harrison, I have no question about it. And so
Speaker 1: that's why he's to me the best player in the truck.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: I always say, if they ever compare you to a
Speaker 6: great I'm probably gonna trust you. And all I've heard
Speaker 6: with Kayley Williams is he's very Patrick Mahomes. Like, if
Speaker 6: I have a chance to ever draft of Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 6: I can't grate Nobody hire you.
Speaker 2: That step off into the curve is a lot of
Speaker 2: people feel the same way Williams, like he can turn
Speaker 2: your franchise around in year one. Yeah, he's got straight,
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of room to grow.
Speaker 6: For sure, He's by five not a perfect product, but
Speaker 6: the silly and what.
Speaker 3: He could be.
Speaker 2: Example, Houston Texans, a lot of people consider them to
Speaker 2: have the worst roster in the NFL. They drafted Distroud.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they're one of the surprise teams
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 6: And also draft Willi Anderson is a p Yeah, and
Speaker 6: they'll have to kill the draft rookie do a Rookie
Speaker 6: of the Year, and they tell you how guys can
Speaker 6: affect you. We said positional value quarterback, pass rushing to
Speaker 6: the heighest.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But again to the Keleb Williams point, like the ceiling
Speaker 1: is high, right, It's like when I'm walking across the
Speaker 1: street and I'm getting in like a lambo. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, it's it's the ceiling.
Speaker 3: Is stay walking across the street if it's very.
Speaker 1: Very high though, you know what I'm saying. But also
Speaker 1: like I got to walk through four lanes of traffic
Speaker 1: to get there.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the limbo don't help you in
Speaker 3: the snow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 5: The comparisons of Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes are scary.
Speaker 5: Why because what if he's not Patrick.
Speaker 6: No, he's Caleb Williams. They saying that he's Patrick Mahome.
Speaker 6: This is what they say it he throws with a
Speaker 6: baseball like control of the football. If you see the
Speaker 6: way he flicks his wrists, the way he throws across
Speaker 6: his body, the way he do these things.
Speaker 3: Patrick throws the football like a baseball.
Speaker 4: So you're talking about the traits not.
Speaker 6: Necessarily, No, no, not that he has these traits. And
Speaker 6: that's why when I when I see Drake May and
Speaker 6: I brought up who I think he is, and some
Speaker 6: guys don't agree. I think he has little those guys
Speaker 6: in him, and these are not saying this is defining trait.
Speaker 6: He has some traits that I seen from them. Could
Speaker 6: think about this. When the Bills drafted Josh Allen years
Speaker 6: ago and his first year, nobody thought Josh Allen was
Speaker 6: gonna turn to Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: They knew he needed work.
Speaker 6: Now, the thing about it is do you have a
Speaker 6: coaching staff to nurture and bring him to where he
Speaker 6: needs to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting that Josh Allen think the same
Speaker 1: thing with Kele Williams too. I think that they're both
Speaker 1: relevant here and even Jade Daniels to a certain extent
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen has ruined quarterback evaluation in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because he was such a projection. He was a trades
Speaker 1: guy that projected really well to the NFL, and most
Speaker 1: times those trades guys they don't develop. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like how many guys have big armed him run but
Speaker 1: they never lost, don't develop like that, yes, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And so these traits, these qualities have made people go, well,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is gonna he'll develop in three years. But
Speaker 1: like if you look at the history of the NFL,
Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, they a numbers.
Speaker 6: Stay one out of these three quarterbacks are not gonna
Speaker 6: be good, and one of them might be okay, one
Speaker 6: of them might be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And even if Caleb Williams is not
Speaker 2: in the homes like Mahomes is an inevitable force, he's alien.
Speaker 2: Even if he's the little short, that's still pretty dang good.
Speaker 6: And don't forget a lot of people passed on Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 6: They're just understand that, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: The Trubisky draft.
Speaker 3: Yes it was. So they had been a guy that
Speaker 3: had a better grade than Patrick.
Speaker 1: But I think going back to Patrick and watching him, like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that make you go, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that works at this level, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that And I think, like when
Speaker 1: you talk to NFL gms, and scouts. One of the
Speaker 1: things they consistently say about Caleb is like, can he
Speaker 1: play in schedule? Can he do anything in schedule? And
Speaker 1: the history of a quarterback who can't do stuff on
Speaker 1: schedule and in rhythm of being successful is very, very low.
Speaker 6: Like I would read, they have to teach you to
Speaker 6: throw our own schedule then to try to give you
Speaker 6: a trait that you can't you have to be born
Speaker 6: with with throwing off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, but what But I would push
Speaker 1: back and say, like, so much of offensive football needs
Speaker 1: to be on schedule. You're thrown in a tight windows.
Speaker 1: So if my default setting is I pull the ball
Speaker 1: down and try to make a play, like think about
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, how that offense is always a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But Russell or like Zach Wilson, was a guy that
Speaker 1: was off schedule all the time in college.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're.
Speaker 3: The same hands coming out of you right now, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just this is this is this is the counter
Speaker 1: to Caleb, right, this is why this is why he's not,
Speaker 1: this is why he's not Trevor Lawrence, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is because that feature of his game. Every person you
Speaker 1: talk to that comes up. First thing out of their
Speaker 1: mouth is like, he's talented, but can he can he
Speaker 1: play on schedule? And so again like the talent is there,
Speaker 1: but he is more of a projection than I think
Speaker 1: people want to acknowledge, especially after watching this last year.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I can say this, I just watched the
Speaker 6: Super Bowl and I both guys know, and I give
Speaker 6: brock Purty his props. He's one of the most own
Speaker 6: scheduled quarterbacks in the league right now.
Speaker 3: He's own schedule.
Speaker 1: But to your point, though, he alli a lot of
Speaker 1: those third down plays is off schedule. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you don't need that, but you need both
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 6: That's what I was bringing up is I just watched
Speaker 6: his own scheduled guy have a great Super Bowl, but
Speaker 6: I watched the off schedule guy.
Speaker 3: Beat him with instinct and game ability.
Speaker 6: And I'm hoping this is the thing that us as
Speaker 6: ex football players see this couch don't see. We can
Speaker 6: see the stuff that says, you know what, this is
Speaker 6: kind of an orthodox but uh, it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna gets It's amazing. But again, like it is something
Speaker 1: you worry about because like people who I look at
Speaker 1: like Bryce Young for example.
Speaker 2: It's a great example.
Speaker 1: Like at Alabama, he's this great creative nuance, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, He's got this point guard. I love
Speaker 1: that description of him. And then he gets the league
Speaker 1: and the windows are a little bit tighter. He's holding
Speaker 1: the football little bit longer, gets sacked a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: Does Caleb do the same thing? Does he just because
Speaker 1: he doesn't see it right now? Does he pull the
Speaker 1: ball down? And do we get sacks? Force fumbles because
Speaker 1: he you know, people don't talk about that either. Thirteen
Speaker 1: fumbles last year. Thirteen fumbles last year because he's running
Speaker 1: aund unaware where the rush is at. So that's a
Speaker 1: lot about Caleb Williams. But that's to me where where
Speaker 1: it's like he's not the best player. He's not the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft because it's it's a long
Speaker 1: road to get and if the projection hits, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: really stoked.
Speaker 4: But well, let's do this.
Speaker 5: Let's see if Caleb Williams goes number one overall, we
Speaker 5: don't even have to talk about him anymore here in
Speaker 5: our draft.
Speaker 4: So we're going to.
Speaker 5: Start the PFF mock Draft simulator. Yere Fred and Selby,
Speaker 5: You guys can pick first and then we'll pick.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, or you're leting us pick first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll let you pick first.
Speaker 2: Gave him out, just disappeared. What's really small and glasses?
Speaker 3: Listen small miles. They eat cheese too.
Speaker 5: Of course, watch watch the simulator take Drake mag now
Speaker 5: took Caleb Williams. Sorry, so Washington's on the clock. Caleb
Speaker 5: Williams is off, Fred and Selby talk us through.
Speaker 4: What do you guys say?
Speaker 2: This was the first thing we really debated.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Wait the second would have.
Speaker 2: Thought that, yeah, that's either going to be It would
Speaker 2: either be Drake May or Jane Daniels. Yeah, I'll admit
Speaker 2: I was. I liked a lot of the skill sets
Speaker 2: that Jaydon Daniels has. Ye brings up that improvisation that
Speaker 2: I bringed up with that brother he did. But we
Speaker 2: kind of agreed that we think that Drake May could
Speaker 2: project him to be something better.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially when it comes to a couple of things
Speaker 6: cold weather, his height, of his ability to throw across
Speaker 6: the middle.
Speaker 3: Gotta throw across the middle wing in the league.
Speaker 6: Yes, he has some stuff to clean up, mainly about
Speaker 6: his feet and his technique. But I just think when
Speaker 6: I look at him and Jade and Daniels for all
Speaker 6: the great things he did, and James Daniels is the
Speaker 6: best deep through in this dref. I just think you
Speaker 6: have to have more nuance at the quarterback position, and
Speaker 6: I thought Drake May could bring those nuances and not
Speaker 6: exciting for who is gonna be today he makes it here,
Speaker 6: but who he's going to be in the future.
Speaker 3: I think my ceiling.
Speaker 6: And I know most people say that Jay and Dane
Speaker 6: Seeley might be a little bit more because he's a faster.
Speaker 6: I just think it's a complete player. I get more
Speaker 6: with Drake May than I do Jay and Dad.
Speaker 2: And the film. The film I think is better last
Speaker 2: year than it is this year. But it's not like
Speaker 2: this year's film was bad, right.
Speaker 6: I do want to see I want to see quarterbacks
Speaker 6: go through adversity. I don't want to see just your
Speaker 6: good times. I want to see what happens when you
Speaker 6: have no weapons and when it's just you.
Speaker 2: You talk about exposed to plays with the something Washington needs.
Speaker 2: Third best passer on passes of twenty plus yards, he
Speaker 2: had thirty two big time plays, only three turnover plays,
Speaker 2: turn ever worthy plays, and you didn't do that well
Speaker 2: under pressure, but I think generally overall he does. He
Speaker 2: does have more consistent play us. On top of that,
Speaker 2: he talked about like, you know, you mentioned off air
Speaker 2: that he has a lot of you know, you think
Speaker 2: he's faster most people think. But here's what here's what
Speaker 2: I think. I don't think he's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: do that much in the NFL. Is kind of Brice Young,
Speaker 2: like he's not gonna be able to do the winners
Speaker 2: are hired a lot of stuff. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do a lot of stuff and
Speaker 2: gets more physical players, but he has the pocket ability
Speaker 2: that he can rely on as he can kind of
Speaker 2: add that a wrinkle to his game because his eyes
Speaker 2: are always forward, even when he scrambled around the pocket,
Speaker 2: He's always looking to try to make better plays downfield.
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that I think Jye Daniels.
Speaker 2: I think he's explosive, think he has a lot of ability.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has that ability quite just yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. I totally agree with you now,
Speaker 6: and I comfort him. We had a hybrid between Josh
Speaker 6: Allen and Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: That's where the compsole idea man, that's where the compsole just.
Speaker 3: Straight caking a cup cake and a blue bear the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 1: That's where a cop like because like I've heard a
Speaker 1: comp of Sam Howe. I've heard people say, oh he's
Speaker 1: he's a bigger Sam Howe, and so does that that
Speaker 1: changes the color.
Speaker 2: Sam don't make but don't make me in the same offense.
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. But I think when you
Speaker 1: when you go watch him, you're like when I go
Speaker 1: back in my notes and I'm saying, oh, he's not
Speaker 1: very accurate, he's not good against pressure, you know, like
Speaker 1: there's some mechanics issues, there's some timing issues, and I
Speaker 1: go like, what did I write for Sam how And
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, he's not very good against pressure.
Speaker 1: His accuracy is a little bit, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's coaching problems, not plea of problems.
Speaker 2: Is it.
Speaker 1: Because again, we saw some of those same issues here
Speaker 1: with Sam this year. So I'm not saying I think
Speaker 1: this is this is gonna sound like I'm hate on
Speaker 1: Drake Man, but you are you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you know what I'm saying in the comp, the comp,
Speaker 1: the comple mess you up.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 1: That's why when I see a comp that's bad or
Speaker 1: off comp, because I think when you say I think,
Speaker 1: I think he's Justin Herbert and a mixture of Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: two of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'm talking traits. I'm not talking about
Speaker 6: I don't think it's arguing a bit. Listen, his arm is.
Speaker 3: Better than you think it is. He's a better athlete,
Speaker 3: so you want him to run.
Speaker 6: You want to see him run in his tight in
Speaker 6: Indianapolis before.
Speaker 3: It's brought.
Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of Jared Goff. I think
Speaker 2: that's I think that's a better coll He can be
Speaker 2: the same thing. He's a better No.
Speaker 6: I like Jared Golf. He's riding a danger field of quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: They give him no respect. I love Jared Golf. I
Speaker 6: see some different than Drake Man. You know I wasn't
Speaker 6: on Drake Maye.
Speaker 1: Like this is going to sound like this, don't sound
Speaker 1: like I don't like Drake Maybe this is my like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: like I think he's a good college football player. But
Speaker 1: it's not like Drake may is like an easier projection
Speaker 1: based on his twenty twenty three film Than jayde and Daniels.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And this is a conversation
Speaker 1: that happened the end of.
Speaker 3: Jared Goff did go number one? If y'all didn't know.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
Speaker 1: But like that, I agree with that. There's some issues
Speaker 1: to Jared Golf's game when he was in college, right,
Speaker 1: but he's got a big arm, and he's got that
Speaker 1: that kind of statuesque ability and he developed you, he
Speaker 1: developed over his over his time in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Look.
Speaker 5: And I'm going to push back when you I know
Speaker 5: we're on the same team little bit because we've had
Speaker 5: this conversation off air a lot because you struggle with comps.
Speaker 1: I don't like that comp though, and.
Speaker 3: He don't know comps.
Speaker 5: The reason the reason you struggle with comps is because
Speaker 5: you sometimes and it's not wrong, but you sometimes say, oh,
Speaker 5: well he's not going to be that person. Well, comps
Speaker 5: are not supposed to be he's going to have the
Speaker 5: success that this No for this standard person who isn't
Speaker 5: watching film gets a general understanding of their body type.
Speaker 1: Say this though his arm made, his arm is not
Speaker 1: as good as either one of the players you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: like that's a fact.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'll tell you this about Jay Danny.
Speaker 6: He throws the bis deep ball, but he does not
Speaker 6: wil across the middles, and he does not the whale
Speaker 6: I's had to know.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I'm not saying that he does.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying about two spots.
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that when you make
Speaker 1: a comp of Josh Allen, what's the trait that Josh
Speaker 1: Allen has well.
Speaker 6: Josh Allen came his lead Wolly, inconsistent with everything Wiley,
Speaker 6: and consistent with everything.
Speaker 1: He had a Holitzer for an arm Justin Herbert, one
Speaker 1: of the sickest arms in the NFL. His Drake May's arm,
Speaker 1: while good, is not that good. That's why I like
Speaker 1: the Jared Golf comp a little bit better. It's he's
Speaker 1: got talent.
Speaker 5: So so then the comp is what Fred said, if
Speaker 5: he didn't do as many push ups right Like, It's like.
Speaker 1: Fred said, we're mixing them together. We got two cupcakes.
Speaker 4: Nuce to it for you to feel good.
Speaker 3: And we both said he's more athletic than Jered Golf.
Speaker 3: Could you give him?
Speaker 6: I would say, all right, all right, So now he's
Speaker 6: a running Jared Golf, which I mean a more athletic Jared.
Speaker 3: Logan's happy.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, that's where a comple lie to you.
Speaker 1: Like if I come into the draft room and I
Speaker 1: say he's he's he's Justin Herbert, I'm like, well, shoot, man,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert went top five and that it paints a picture.
Speaker 1: I think it is somewhat an acturate but did not believe.
Speaker 4: But you're not doing that in the draft room.
Speaker 2: Yet they do this, They do do it.
Speaker 5: I understand. I understand their comps are going to be
Speaker 5: I would say a little more nuanced and deeper than
Speaker 5: what we're trying to do as the media, just because
Speaker 5: we're not expecting that a just a guy. Jason on
Speaker 5: the other end, has watched all this film just give
Speaker 5: me a name.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like two artists looking at a similar picture.
Speaker 2: Be someone could be like, oh, well this one has
Speaker 2: more details.
Speaker 3: This is Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To paint a picture for the fans too, because I
Speaker 1: think I think people throw that Herbert cop out all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: He wears number ten, he's big. They look very similar.
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about.
Speaker 1: But but like, but what I'm saying is like, it's
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 6: It's not quite the reason not through to Justin Herbert
Speaker 6: out there, because I watched Justin herb would come out
Speaker 6: of college and get picked apart because he was a
Speaker 6: part of a running offense and he was not challenged
Speaker 6: to push the ball down the field. But when he were,
Speaker 6: when he did throw the ball down, feel it was
Speaker 6: very impressive.
Speaker 3: So I can only take what you give me the show.
Speaker 6: And when he came out, I remember saying it, I like,
Speaker 6: I love Chase. He was like hard not to look
Speaker 6: at him physically and say I want one of those.
Speaker 6: But I was like, I might take Justin Herbert. I
Speaker 6: said it many times and people shot me down. He
Speaker 6: shot me down. They were like, he's he's raw. I
Speaker 6: was like, well, a lot of us make it here, Wrang.
Speaker 6: That don't mean I can't get to where you want
Speaker 6: me to get to. And that's what I'm saying about
Speaker 6: Drake May. Yes, he is flawed. Every every player in
Speaker 6: this draft besides Marvin Harrison's drawed it flawed in some
Speaker 6: kind of way.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think that's that's good.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Marvin Harrison, I'm not saying we're gonna
Speaker 4: drift at number two. Now, that's we're on the clock.
Speaker 3: I've been on the call like seven receivers over there.
Speaker 5: But for the for the guys that said they're taking
Speaker 5: the best player available, they passed over Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 5: left them for us. So if we're Washington at number too,
Speaker 5: are we taking Marvin Rrison Junior?
Speaker 4: Or do we have to take a quarterback?
Speaker 1: See, this is this is where I think it gets
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. This is where best player available
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit of a lie because like, yes,
Speaker 1: he's the best player available, but like in terms of us, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the best player for us? Yes, right, I
Speaker 1: think that's the question is like probably not for the.
Speaker 3: Washington It's like marriage.
Speaker 6: Ansome guy in the world. Don't mean you the best mate.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. You've experienced that.
Speaker 6: Yes, I I'm hope for one, but I'm not a quitter.
Speaker 3: I'd be up and.
Speaker 2: Nixt year.
Speaker 3: Number two.
Speaker 2: I like that shirt.
Speaker 6: By the way, Thank you so rich.
Speaker 4: So what do you think, Logan, I'm thinking we have
Speaker 4: to take Daniels here.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 1: And I like Daniels, and again like I like Drake May,
Speaker 1: I have my reservations about him. I have my reservations
Speaker 1: about Jane Daniels. I think the thing I come back
Speaker 1: to is I think the lottery ticket it's got a
Speaker 1: bigger payout for Jayde and Daniels.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing I lower floor, higher feeling.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's a good think about it. Like
Speaker 1: with Jane Daniels, like the running a bill. So when
Speaker 1: you watch Jane Daniels, he's very accurate.
Speaker 2: He can.
Speaker 1: I think he can make all the throws he's throwing.
Speaker 1: The two absolute dogs like Sleep Davers is a dog
Speaker 1: first round both first round Ryan Thomas, first round receiver.
Speaker 2: He's awesome.
Speaker 3: SI think he I think he can have a high
Speaker 3: sealing mileigue neighbors in league.
Speaker 1: Both those guys are super impressive. But the deep ball
Speaker 1: accuracy is great. The tight win he threw a lot
Speaker 1: in the tight windows, which I respect. I like to
Speaker 1: see quarterbacks not turning down tight window stuff in the CC.
Speaker 1: In the SEC. You know, he played great against Alabama,
Speaker 1: great against Florida when his team needed him to make plays,
Speaker 1: like against Missouri they were down twenty eight to three,
Speaker 1: and he came back and they ended up winning that game,
Speaker 1: and he just carried them through that process and I
Speaker 1: and again he won the Heisman this year. He's the
Speaker 1: best player in college football. And there's things about his
Speaker 1: game I don't like. So he turned stuff down in
Speaker 1: favor of scrambling, which he won't be able to do
Speaker 1: in the NFL. We gotta get We got to learn
Speaker 1: that through, you know what I'm saying. Just like there's
Speaker 1: some stuff with Drake May. But I just think that
Speaker 1: lottery ticket is so high. It's like the payout could
Speaker 1: be huge. Because I think I see a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of Lamar in him, and I think I
Speaker 1: think he's got a better.
Speaker 3: But see think about a minute. Lamar but a man
Speaker 3: that don't like cops. He just gained the worst compot.
Speaker 1: But think about it, but think about how that comp
Speaker 1: just biases you, right, because he's not Lamar. Because he's
Speaker 1: more of a linear runner than Lamar. I think he's
Speaker 1: a better scrambler.
Speaker 3: He don't got the wiggle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: The wiggle that Lamar does. Right, But I think he's
Speaker 1: coming out of college. I think he's a better natural
Speaker 1: passer from the jump. He's in a simpler offense because
Speaker 1: Lamar ran this kind of a pro style, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it's a little bit different. His arm town's
Speaker 1: a little bit better, his mechanics are a little bit
Speaker 1: more consistent. You talk about adversity, Fred he started his
Speaker 1: own estate, didn't look very good, built his way up
Speaker 1: into this player now, right, So I do think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: Had some pro coaching at Arizona State too.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, that's a great point. And so I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about him. And I think
Speaker 1: I just come back to like, if I were to
Speaker 1: take Drake May be very Drake May, I'd be very happy.
Speaker 1: But I also I come back to like, I think
Speaker 1: I think he could be special, Like.
Speaker 6: I hate Joe cum special, I hate Joe cup Well.
Speaker 4: When I think of Lamar, I think of his size,
Speaker 4: which yes, yes, kind of.
Speaker 2: Like how he's built.
Speaker 1: But something so the other comp that people say is
Speaker 1: and I think this has this gives a negative connotation
Speaker 1: r G three And I don't think he's that guy
Speaker 1: because I think he's I think.
Speaker 3: He's an act like R. G. Wooden, who did boy
Speaker 3: coming out of college?
Speaker 1: Like maybe like like Cunningham. Maybe is maybe a better
Speaker 1: comp for how he runs like he's around. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a big arm, but not a huge like maybe
Speaker 1: that's a better comp. But but I think like there
Speaker 1: is a is a more instinctive runner, a more natural
Speaker 1: running or Roberts. This track guy very linear. I think
Speaker 1: he's Jane Danis has a better feel. Also, I think
Speaker 1: he's he was in a more diverse offense than Robert.
Speaker 1: So I think it's like Robert if he I don't
Speaker 1: even know.
Speaker 3: I hate to say it.
Speaker 6: I feel like I feel like we dated this person
Speaker 6: before in the Draff. I feel like we dated this person.
Speaker 3: You know, I told you. I feel like he was
Speaker 3: r G four now all to do that feel it?
Speaker 6: His real name to me is Robert Campbell, half Robert Griffin,
Speaker 6: third half Jason.
Speaker 1: That bias is the that comp biases you, I think,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it no.
Speaker 7: I think Jason Campbell won national championship. God like we
Speaker 7: ruined him with like six coaches here, we ruined him.
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is delivery size. Jason had some
Speaker 7: size on him. I think Jason size is similar to his.
Speaker 1: It was his six four, two hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: It's Jason, that's Jason Campbell.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the height with Drake May, that the
Speaker 1: same height. You know obviously Drake Mays to four like
Speaker 1: mis sticker, like we'll put together. But and you know
Speaker 1: Jadon Daniels takes a lot of shots in the running game.
Speaker 1: I'm with you how to slide, But I think I
Speaker 1: just I just look at him. I just and again,
Speaker 1: maybe you're getting mes ris b because like you said,
Speaker 1: this sack twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. I
Speaker 1: think Drake May is a better football player. But if
Speaker 1: you just look at twenty twenty three, it's not even close.
Speaker 2: There was such a big gap in there for but
Speaker 2: even Eve when he before he transferred l as either
Speaker 2: he's a big gap there and the exactly some of
Speaker 2: the same arguments you brought up why you picked Jane
Speaker 2: Dan's was that army that I brought to Fred. Now, now,
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I have, the biggest problem I
Speaker 2: have with him is that he seems like he just
Speaker 2: he sees his read and if it's not there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it freaks out. I think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think it freaks out as probably because I always
Speaker 1: feel like he's pretty composed, you know, like he's not
Speaker 1: like you don't get happy feet. He's very deliberate about
Speaker 1: when he scrambled. He's very very purposeful about doing it.
Speaker 2: I guess more ager say is he's he's looking to run.
Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think it's like if it's
Speaker 1: not there, if I don't love it, this is what
Speaker 1: I see from him. If I don't love the read,
Speaker 1: if I don't love the progression, I'm gonna run and
Speaker 1: against every team in college football like he murdered, like
Speaker 1: against Alabama, one of the fastest teams, one of the best,
Speaker 1: most NFL comp teams. He looked like the best player,
Speaker 1: like by far the best playing the field. Obviously, he
Speaker 1: leaves that gave early with a concussion because he gets
Speaker 1: hit not on a scramble but like a late kind
Speaker 1: of a dirty hit.
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't hate that. As if you're
Speaker 2: a young quarterback trying to learn the game and everything,
Speaker 2: but eventually you're always gonna have to learn how to
Speaker 2: win from the pocket. That's what Grake may have think
Speaker 2: has an advantage over James.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think I think he sees in
Speaker 1: the middle to feel better but also like in this
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury offense, like one of this.
Speaker 3: Is gonna be big windows.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be big windows. But also like, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think adds a lot of value
Speaker 1: to this offense is a quarterback that can run well.
Speaker 1: And I think Drake May can run, but I think
Speaker 1: Daniels is just a more dynamical jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he's more of a whipping to.
Speaker 2: You, more of a weapon.
Speaker 1: And again I don't like, I don't if they draft
Speaker 1: to Drake May, I'm gonna be happy. But I think
Speaker 1: part of me is like I think there's a there's
Speaker 1: a huge payout if it all goes the way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I think we win no matter
Speaker 3: what who you pick.
Speaker 1: And and like you said this already, Fred, it comes
Speaker 1: down of the coaching and the system they're coming to.
Speaker 1: But I do think I just think you. I think
Speaker 1: the ceiling is so much higher with Jane Daniels.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I don't think you lose with any
Speaker 6: of these dudes. And I don't want nobody to think
Speaker 6: I'm being negative when I say RG three, because let's
Speaker 6: be honest, he one has me just like Jane Davis
Speaker 6: came out just like Jane Daniels, and.
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, he had a hell of the rookie year.
Speaker 6: And if he just take that coaching that that he
Speaker 6: got around him, I believe he keeps going like leg
Speaker 6: just be hones. The word thing that got in front
Speaker 6: of r G three was RG three. But the athlete
Speaker 6: himself he could play the game of football. I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Jane Daniels can play the game of football. We don't
Speaker 6: lose taking either of these guys.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point. Like the Commins
Speaker 1: coming up here, we haven't we don't have that information yet,
Speaker 1: But how do they interview, you know? And like there's
Speaker 1: there's always stuff that comes out where it's like like
Speaker 1: I'm Cliff, I'm sitting in the meeting room with Drake May.
Speaker 3: And he's quiet or something and don't say anything.
Speaker 1: I don't like how he answers the question, but I
Speaker 1: hit it off yea with Jane Daniels, like I want
Speaker 1: the guy that that OC that OC likes, you know,
Speaker 1: And again it might be the other way. It could
Speaker 1: be Drake May is the guy that oh everyone loves him, right,
Speaker 1: But I think like that's going to be a huge
Speaker 1: data point in terms of getting this staff invested in
Speaker 1: the guy and then making the decision for I.
Speaker 6: Think they're small because I think no position matters more
Speaker 6: about the human himself.
Speaker 3: Than the quarter A great point because he just touches
Speaker 3: so much imprint of the team and we are actually
Speaker 3: are in print of him.
Speaker 2: That's a That's what I love that.
Speaker 1: I think that's great insight because like think about how
Speaker 1: many times, like like Kirk Cousins like you when he
Speaker 1: when the each I draft here over RG three, Like
Speaker 1: the leadership that he has compared to our you know,
Speaker 1: like the.
Speaker 6: No the team gravitas. Do you bring grown men together
Speaker 6: and make them want to play for you? We just
Speaker 6: saw Patrick Mahons do that. Let's be honest. The best
Speaker 6: roster on that field was the forty nine ers, the
Speaker 6: best team with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: And being vocal and being able to relate to players
Speaker 2: is so different. They can make it in their lot
Speaker 2: in the lock, but they're not always the same, right
Speaker 2: because you see a lot of quarterbacks who are not
Speaker 2: exactly the most outspoken guys, but they can hang up
Speaker 2: at the offensive line and they can relate to the
Speaker 2: running backs.
Speaker 3: Bacon made the field.
Speaker 6: People say what they want to his teammates play for Bacon,
Speaker 6: Bacon the quarterback that go out and I'm gonna have
Speaker 6: a beer with you. You know, Tom ain't putting them
Speaker 6: cards in his body, but you know, when you get
Speaker 6: the practice and you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get on that field, Tom demands your best.
Speaker 2: What's gottay avacadra, tequila?
Speaker 4: Heineke had that Jason, they all loved playing with him.
Speaker 4: He just didn't have the talent. Yeah, but guys elevated team. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5: As a Jag fan of this team, I'd be happy
Speaker 5: with either one of these quarterbacks. I hear exactly what
Speaker 5: you're saying with the lottery ticket of Daniels, and that
Speaker 5: really excites me. Also scares me because I've seen that
Speaker 5: with RG three and like those type of players.
Speaker 1: But his and sorry to Cutch, his film in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. I can't stress this enough. Phenomenal, It's amazing.
Speaker 5: He I heard a stat I'll have to stack check
Speaker 5: this at some point, but I heard that in his
Speaker 5: last year he had more touchdowns than Daniel Jones had
Speaker 5: in his whole college career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he was, And Daniel Jones went in the
Speaker 4: in the first round.
Speaker 2: He was like that.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that I get caught
Speaker 1: up in because I haven't watched any twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: of him. I've just watched twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say magical, but that's the kind
Speaker 1: of player you're talking about it and it's so easy
Speaker 1: to get caught so alluring.
Speaker 3: Yes, but guess what, Every draft has a weasel in it.
Speaker 6: Every year we watch this weasel go to the combine
Speaker 6: and dominate and run up the draft. And it could
Speaker 6: be anybody from Michael Pennix, that could be a Bowl.
Speaker 3: Knicks, that could be like we watched somebody stocks explode.
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, who.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: Play this.
Speaker 4: He might he might be there in our next peck.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is he's he might be the weasel.
Speaker 3: It's a weasel in the draft.
Speaker 4: So let's let's let's move on here.
Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time on that picks. It's
Speaker 3: the most important.
Speaker 5: It's going to define this franchise for the next several years,
Speaker 5: So very important pick.
Speaker 4: Only did one round.
Speaker 5: There no where we stand all right, we'll do it again,
Speaker 5: don't all right, so we're starting over the podcast then.
Speaker 2: All this stuff.
Speaker 6: But well we I had the Sickond round and they
Speaker 6: Sickond round pick is almost a bottom first round.
Speaker 3: So listen, I understand.
Speaker 4: And this is from is this this one right here
Speaker 4: is the montest sweat one I think?
Speaker 2: So thirty five yes, yeah, yeah, we got there from
Speaker 2: forty six.
Speaker 6: Thirty and forty is from Chicago. Thirty six is out
Speaker 6: massed enough.
Speaker 4: To okay, okay, I should.
Speaker 2: Have Walter was Walter was some discussion on the quarterback obviously,
Speaker 2: like we were pretty much in agreement from the start.
Speaker 2: We wanted to go going to go with the big skill.
Speaker 2: We wanted to go with the officive line. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we had one guy in mind that we really we
Speaker 2: both agreed from the dough and it was Tyler.
Speaker 1: Go Tyler.
Speaker 2: If he might not be there in real life, he's
Speaker 2: rising fast, but if he's here there, he feels like
Speaker 2: he's gonna be picking of the phone immediately. Hey give
Speaker 2: me this guy.
Speaker 3: He's a damn dog.
Speaker 2: I mean Ford tight end, run back right fast.
Speaker 6: If Lendy scrown me, Like, ain't nobody to share corn
Speaker 6: bread with him for years. I'm talking about when I
Speaker 6: say mean, I mean me and he raw enough to
Speaker 6: not have a bad habits.
Speaker 3: He got a couple of bad, got some but but
Speaker 3: but raw enough to be all completed.
Speaker 6: And if you're getting this type of how should I say,
Speaker 6: like worth in the second round right here? I think
Speaker 6: he wanted them guys that can come in and start,
Speaker 6: and that's what I'm looking for from an ad beef.
Speaker 3: How quick can you help my team win?
Speaker 6: And I need to draft some starters with them two picks,
Speaker 6: and I think we both slanted it on guy.
Speaker 2: He got better at the Senior Bowl every single day,
Speaker 2: and you mentioned the raw techniques, Like his head was down,
Speaker 2: he's head duck in a little bit, and he kind
Speaker 2: of he kind of catched people whenever he's punching his foot.
Speaker 2: His fit, his footwork wasn't exact where he wanted to be.
Speaker 2: The next day he fixed a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And he mentioned the athleticis like so he's there was
Speaker 2: a they were doing some team stuff in the senior
Speaker 2: in the seniors in the Senior Bowl, and they were
Speaker 2: doing some inside inside zone and he had to cut
Speaker 2: off the backside lineback and that is hard for a
Speaker 2: tackle to do because wand you're going against a lot
Speaker 2: more athletic, a lot faster than you.
Speaker 3: And linebackers again small and faster.
Speaker 2: And so he at the right angle, he knew how
Speaker 2: to get flight by a board day traffic and he
Speaker 2: cut off that linebacker and run back just goes right
Speaker 2: behind him. That kind of stuff. Plus you add the
Speaker 2: raw technique like he's got. He's just a ball clay
Speaker 2: that's already so good without doing all the right technique stuff.
Speaker 2: This guy is like he's you talk about this explosive
Speaker 2: that the the the lottery ticket. He could be so
Speaker 2: special at this left.
Speaker 6: And if you're gonna get a sports car, you need
Speaker 6: to get a cover when you buy it, and he's
Speaker 6: the cover. He's the cover to protict Drake may Jenden,
Speaker 6: Dangers whoever you want.
Speaker 3: We got to get somebody to protect win.
Speaker 2: Up against some of the best guy like Darius Robinson,
Speaker 2: Chris Braswell and play on Texans really well.
Speaker 6: No, he held his own in a passing offense. Yes,
Speaker 6: Oklahoma is a passing offense with ride zone running, so
Speaker 6: he know, out of handle some of the stuff.
Speaker 3: He's always gonna be asked to do.
Speaker 1: Dude, if he's here, I think you're doing backflips. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's here, Like you said, Zach, it feels
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a top twenty player.
Speaker 6: Oh you got to get it's Georgia Alabama, JC Lake them.
Speaker 6: I just think it's enough pass rush's enough tackles to
Speaker 6: push him.
Speaker 4: I hope it happened.
Speaker 2: I hope so. I hope he's here.
Speaker 1: But I think that's say to just support what Zach
Speaker 1: was saying, like just you you bet on traits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and with tackles specifically like athletes. Yeah, this dude is
Speaker 1: a tremendous athlete. He's an easy mover, like he's got
Speaker 1: the length, he's got the size, like he's he's built
Speaker 1: in the last. Yeah, three twenty seven four inch arms.
Speaker 3: He's not married.
Speaker 6: But the athleticism, like nobody knows has ever a hoop
Speaker 6: with Trent. Trent will take the ball and do a
Speaker 6: three sixty dunk witty and he's your left tackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy he was here, you'd be I mean again,
Speaker 1: like it's he's these can you go to the addressers
Speaker 1: here real quick?
Speaker 2: Selby and the spirit of of.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to chop Robinson in State.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not No, he's asking no, no, but
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 1: Available a shop Deza. So this is interesting. So he's
Speaker 1: a fortieth player. Can you go to corners, Zach real quick?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Corners and receivers please.
Speaker 3: Axavia Thomas is a guy that I had been looking
Speaker 3: in now.
Speaker 2: So receiver and corner here, corner right there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, So here's who's left. You want to you
Speaker 4: want to read them?
Speaker 1: So we got Lad mcconchney, who is awesome. He's like
Speaker 1: a perfect little slot receiver Fromgia. But he's he's good
Speaker 1: football player.
Speaker 6: But does he fit?
Speaker 1: He's not a marriage for Keon Coleman is the big
Speaker 1: guy from Forests. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: excited about him. I get super nervous when I watch
Speaker 1: this film.
Speaker 2: Is not a great separator and is he but knows
Speaker 2: how to make catches? He is?
Speaker 1: He Kaneil Harry from Arizona State.
Speaker 2: That's you know, comparison.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, like you is he that guy?
Speaker 2: He? Again? When you watch State mossn't everybody in side
Speaker 2: Arizona State? Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how he plays any but he's not a
Speaker 1: great separator and not a lot of nuance to his routes.
Speaker 3: So like who is he really?
Speaker 2: Is what you ask? Yeah, who is he?
Speaker 1: Because like DeVante Parker is another guy that comes to
Speaker 1: mind that fits that kind of not a great separator,
Speaker 1: big guy. So I've got like a I like his
Speaker 1: film because it's fun to watch.
Speaker 6: It's so funny you brought him up because my draft
Speaker 6: that I got drafted. You remember Rod Gardner Climpton I
Speaker 6: received is it? He was taken and he was supposed
Speaker 6: to take Santana right, but they took Rod gotten another
Speaker 6: big receiver.
Speaker 3: It could not separate.
Speaker 1: And so when you look at big receivers, it can't separate.
Speaker 1: In today's NFL, like separation rate is becoming such a
Speaker 1: driver of production at the next level. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know what I mean, Like it makes
Speaker 1: me go, oh no, I don't love that makes me
Speaker 1: really nervous. Davantes Walker is another guy, fastest dude you'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, play a lot, but leget.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: And again he's a guy that not not a nuanced
Speaker 1: route runner, but has enough like kind of awareness and
Speaker 1: like size gets open a little bit. I think a
Speaker 1: little bit better than Kean. But again you're dealing with
Speaker 1: guys that I don't know what the value at is
Speaker 1: anything with the receiver specifically at the spot is there
Speaker 1: are a thousand receivers in this class.
Speaker 4: You're going to get a good receiver later a third round.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like fall on a receiver.
Speaker 3: No, not can take Wheelson from flow oud of State.
Speaker 3: If I want a big.
Speaker 1: Toe, big receiver, I like him a lot. Ricky Pearsol
Speaker 1: probably in a third round players he's like lad mcconchney light.
Speaker 1: So there are so I probably would avoid a receiver here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we got in the receiver there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got in the receiver.
Speaker 5: But also remember we're picking only five spots after this again,
Speaker 5: so you don't need to you don't need to reach
Speaker 5: for somebody yet. All these receivers, you're going to get
Speaker 5: a good one in just five picks if it's a
Speaker 5: great point. So we gotta find I think if I'm
Speaker 5: in the room.
Speaker 2: With you, oh that might be the pick right there.
Speaker 3: We gotta find.
Speaker 5: Somebody that is in a position right now that I
Speaker 5: can't get a good value at in just five picks.
Speaker 1: So like, where is it thin?
Speaker 4: And we need to get that play.
Speaker 1: So this is one okay, Tyld. I think we all
Speaker 1: agree probably best player available at this spot. And I'm
Speaker 1: really pissed because Darius Robinson went pick thirty five. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that if he's available, you sprint. He's the
Speaker 1: defensive end for Missouri. You sprint that up there, You
Speaker 1: sprint that up there. So the couple guys that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at, Graham Barton from Duke, played center, played guard,
Speaker 1: played tackle. He is a guard at this level. He
Speaker 1: is super twitchy, super physical, plays through the whistle.
Speaker 3: Do you want to spin the high pick like that?
Speaker 1: He's a second round pick on a guy that can
Speaker 1: play forced three spots on the offensive line. And so again,
Speaker 1: like I think, if he goes to the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: we're talking about him in a much different line.
Speaker 4: What about what about Patrick Paul?
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul? This seems a little heat to me. I
Speaker 1: think you get him later. I think I think in
Speaker 1: real draft land, if this is real, this is PFS rankings, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Graham Barton, you feel really good about the
Speaker 1: other guy. I know you hate him, but for dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's system, might be the move is chop Robinson.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't hate Chop Robinson. I never said that.
Speaker 4: So I'm a Penn State fan, right, and he just
Speaker 4: frustrated me. That's all.
Speaker 5: He is super athletic. So you know how you've all
Speaker 5: been saying like he's a sports car, a Lamborghini. He's
Speaker 5: a Lamborghini, but he's if you put somebody with a
Speaker 5: driver's permit in it.
Speaker 6: He's not.
Speaker 4: He's got one thing and one thing.
Speaker 3: You show up a five star.
Speaker 1: And you leave with three stars.
Speaker 2: But that's why you get into coaching there and you
Speaker 2: you give him a driving star to the Hey, how
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 5: That's what you're betting on with Chop. You're taking his
Speaker 5: athletic ability and you're betting you can make him be
Speaker 5: what you need him to do.
Speaker 1: This is something about Chop that I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1: With Chop specifically, is I think he is when you
Speaker 1: watch his film and don't nobody freak out. Everyone calm down.
Speaker 1: He don't be in There's elements, elements, elements in terms
Speaker 1: of athletic prof file, not the player athletic profile, not
Speaker 1: this guy athletic profile. Michael Parsons. Okay, so when you
Speaker 1: watch him, his burst off the ball, is the best
Speaker 1: of the class. Chop Robinson, don't know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Would you say he's the defensive end version of what
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson was to quarterbacks last year, Like just all
Speaker 5: these crazy traits.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson was like good at football. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that.
Speaker 3: Andony reaches.
Speaker 1: I'm more on board after watching him.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm trying to buy in the choppier because
Speaker 5: he's such a physical I think he disappears man.
Speaker 1: If you use if you use him the way that
Speaker 1: they use Micah in that system where he's lining up
Speaker 1: in the a gas everywhere and he's just explosive. You
Speaker 1: got him running on stunts and loops like he's gonna
Speaker 1: run probably a four to four. Yeah, he's that kind
Speaker 1: of we'll get you taken in the first So he's
Speaker 1: gonna imagine it running loop stuff where he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to like win with his hand.
Speaker 6: When he doesn't have to beat people with his with
Speaker 6: his technique.
Speaker 1: In this system, you might elevate him. Right again, I
Speaker 1: think Graham Barton is a guy that just feels like
Speaker 1: I just a nice easy double. We're just getting on
Speaker 1: base boom double well, let me.
Speaker 4: Okay, what about the other Penn State Edge Isaac?
Speaker 1: So I would I have a slightly higher grade on.
Speaker 4: Disa Isaac slightly slightly higher.
Speaker 2: And I just because I think he's he's going to
Speaker 2: test like an Appenma is gonna be pretty pretty big.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna jump over forty inches. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna run a four to four. And again I
Speaker 1: like the other guy a lot. But who else is
Speaker 1: in the edge? I look at the edges and weird,
Speaker 1: I think we go because it's so Andrean Cooper Andreck
Speaker 1: Cooper is interesting because I've seen like he is a
Speaker 1: freaky athlete.
Speaker 3: He's a tweener dough.
Speaker 1: But again, do you want a developmental linebacker?
Speaker 2: To your point, he's a twin er.
Speaker 4: Due, all right, who are we taking Logan, I'll defer
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 1: So if I was going to go here, because another
Speaker 1: guy that is on this list is Marshawn Keeland, and
Speaker 1: I like his film a lot better from Western Michigan.
Speaker 1: He's six three, he's two seventy. He plays like he's
Speaker 1: got a firecracker rappers, but like he is not. He
Speaker 1: never slows down. I think you get him later. So
Speaker 1: I think you go with a guy that is more
Speaker 1: valuable here in ram Barton. And this is where it's tough,
Speaker 1: because I was I was really hoping Darius Robinson or
Speaker 1: the Edge from UDUB was gonna be here, and in
Speaker 1: this mock, they're not.
Speaker 4: Robinson went right before such a da right before. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the guy from U DUB, the Bryson Bryce Truth.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, he's big.
Speaker 1: What's his name?
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now. His name eludes me.
Speaker 4: I watched him.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Bryson Tremaine.
Speaker 3: So did y'all he end up taking did y'all he
Speaker 3: end up taking Chop Robins? Yeah? Yeah, so right there.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we're gonna take him.
Speaker 1: As much as that pains me, I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: go because I do think I think he's gonna I
Speaker 1: think his value in this system is more Chop Robinson
Speaker 1: than other places. Yeah, but I would probably go Barton
Speaker 1: with this pic.
Speaker 3: Yeah we got y'all.
Speaker 1: Go go go to dB real quick one more time.
Speaker 1: Let's just double check.
Speaker 3: You're looking for DJ Turtle from Alburn.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for just I want to find somebody
Speaker 1: that I like, I'm fired up about.
Speaker 3: Well, you should go to the safeties Miami two safeties.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, this is not great podcasting.
Speaker 4: No, this is really bad. We need to make a pick.
Speaker 3: Carm and Kitchens.
Speaker 2: I feel like they would have already been on Grand
Speaker 2: Barton pick. Grand Barton's the pick.
Speaker 3: I would say, Carmen and Kitchen sitting there, Grand Barton,
Speaker 3: Grean Barton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel really good about that. And you're talking
Speaker 4: about Trice.
Speaker 2: Trice, Yeah, you can do a backflip also. But all right,
Speaker 2: let's move on to the third round here.
Speaker 3: No, we to the second pick of the second round.
Speaker 2: Second round, Okay, yeah, gotta admit you know, this is
Speaker 2: where we kind of deferred a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where it gets tough.
Speaker 2: It's where it gets tough. Now, I have I have
Speaker 2: some opinions that I feel like we should go receiver here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he feels like we should go tight end.
Speaker 3: All right, let's look, say, pull the receivers up first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pull the receivers up first.
Speaker 3: Receive.
Speaker 2: There's a guy that Now, now, look, man, we both
Speaker 2: like Leget. Let's not.
Speaker 6: Let's not from South Carolina.
Speaker 3: He's a bigger, stronger, faster version of Deebo Sam.
Speaker 2: Here's the something too. He has traits that this roster
Speaker 2: needs speeds, and I don't think it really has right
Speaker 2: because you've got a lot of guys who are kind of.
Speaker 3: Mid sized guys with mid feeds, and those are great.
Speaker 2: We o those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't have the same. You can't have
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: You gotta do that can say, all right, we're not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to throw you the best pass all
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, we need you to out physical guy
Speaker 2: down the field and flip.
Speaker 1: It for us.
Speaker 6: But see, this is what happened to get He's a
Speaker 6: victim of our prior perceptions, our prior doings, because we
Speaker 6: took the wide receiver a year ago to guy I
Speaker 6: think we got to go tight end here like because
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, we got a tight
Speaker 6: end sit here.
Speaker 3: And the one thing I get.
Speaker 6: Tight ends when it comes to defensive players, they keep
Speaker 6: drives going. WHI receivers might make the big plays, but
Speaker 6: if I can get a big play tight end plus
Speaker 6: a chain mover all in one, take us to the
Speaker 6: tight end.
Speaker 2: Brother, let me big.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you who we take into Totavious Sanders, Texas.
Speaker 3: We talking about a guy I'm guaranteeing you right now, it.
Speaker 6: Almost sixty five pounds.
Speaker 3: He might be running the fourth to fourth when when
Speaker 3: we watch him.
Speaker 6: If you want to see what he can do on film,
Speaker 6: people go watch Alabama Texas at the beginning of the
Speaker 6: year and see what he did to one of the
Speaker 6: best safeties in college football, some of the best running
Speaker 6: inside linebackers in football. And he do what I want
Speaker 6: all my tight ends to do. He liked to get
Speaker 6: his clothes dirty. He likes to get his clothes dirty.
Speaker 6: So now that I got a quarterback with the first pick,
Speaker 6: now that I protected him with a tackle with the
Speaker 6: second pick. With the third pick, the law firm was smooth,
Speaker 6: and Selby said, we got to get a tight end
Speaker 6: in here, and not just a tight end, a tight
Speaker 6: end that can grow with the quarterback and be with
Speaker 6: him for the next ten years.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna defer to you on this, yeah, Truck, because
Speaker 2: I trust you, Fir. I think this is this relationship
Speaker 2: we're building right now. I think we're a war life
Speaker 2: that we're similar. But I'm gonna throw this into you. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm try trust you here. Yeah maybe in later on
Speaker 2: in these other drafts. Yeah, You're gonna have to trust
Speaker 2: me on some other things. I got one.
Speaker 3: I got one.
Speaker 6: I can trust you. But when I looked at this
Speaker 6: tight end list, Cage Stover, I think in the league
Speaker 6: he's gonna be an in line guy. And I just
Speaker 6: kept looking down and the only other guy that I
Speaker 6: said could probably be the one on one with Joheen
Speaker 6: Baio from Florida State.
Speaker 3: But he's almost a hybrid Cooley type player.
Speaker 1: And he's more of a route one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's more of a route running half back
Speaker 3: type of.
Speaker 2: Do The only reason I only reason I say that
Speaker 2: is because when we get into more drafts here there's
Speaker 2: a there's an officive lineman that I think is really
Speaker 2: going to be a steal.
Speaker 3: But we just took out novel.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is later on drafts. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: you to trust me. One.
Speaker 3: I trust you, brother, I trust you. Today we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: We're gonna say this.
Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit of a reach, Sir Fred.
Speaker 3: Why he's ranked fifty like you, This is what you
Speaker 3: told me. We need to fall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you need to fall a little with you.
Speaker 2: Just say it.
Speaker 3: It ain't PM, it's what we need.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this Theo Johnson excellent football player, Ben's
Speaker 1: not excellent football player. Jared Wiley, He's not even on
Speaker 1: this list, is maybe the best of those guys I
Speaker 1: just mentioned. So I think you can get a guy
Speaker 1: who can be a game changer that isn't a tight
Speaker 1: end at this high and I think about good tight ends,
Speaker 1: you know, Travis Kelsey third round, Kittle third round, Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews third round. Right, that I think is where the
Speaker 1: nice value at is there. But I think he's a
Speaker 1: good football player. Jadavion's a good football player, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. For us, it's Chop Robinson and I think
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 4: No debate, no, no, no, no. We need to go edge.
Speaker 3: We need to go edge.
Speaker 4: I don't like Chopp, but I do deferdy.
Speaker 1: So go to go to the edges real quick, just
Speaker 1: to give like some context here, we'll keep this really quick.
Speaker 1: Chop again is the guy. I think he's gonna bull
Speaker 1: up the combine. Adisse Isaac is also here. His running
Speaker 1: mate at Penn State, got a lot of juice. I
Speaker 1: don't think he bends as well. And then think about Shop.
Speaker 1: That gets me a little bit nervous. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit of one Tripony edge power guy. But I think
Speaker 1: in this system, with all the movement these guys do
Speaker 1: in terms of stunts, I feel like Chop might be
Speaker 1: the more productive player. But again, I love I love
Speaker 1: Marshawn Keeling, love him. And again where is he from?
Speaker 1: He's from Western Michigan.
Speaker 3: And I think we could take Solomon later, Troy a dog.
Speaker 2: A dog, and we got the whole third round to
Speaker 2: get received.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Say, we're set up. We're
Speaker 3: set up.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of glory, but we've got a lot
Speaker 2: of other guys, and.
Speaker 6: We still got Jared might try to another guy to
Speaker 6: flit it in gaps.
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, I'm with you with we're betting
Speaker 5: on our coaching, betting on betting on the coaching, which
Speaker 5: which again is what you gotta do.
Speaker 3: So we went basically primary offense. We went, we went.
Speaker 3: We had an offensive draft.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think what you need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we guys drafted on the offensive players.
Speaker 6: Know, we drafted attackle quarterback, and a tight end.
Speaker 4: So you guys had your your three picks, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yep, and three picks are We drafted Drake May with
Speaker 6: the number two pick. We drafted Uh, Tyler, I mean
Speaker 6: Tyler guy good, really good. And we drafted a tight
Speaker 6: end athlete, not Logan after leap this.
Speaker 2: When we drafted, honestly, I think the best thick we
Speaker 2: had is Guide, just because I think I think that
Speaker 2: that that that value.
Speaker 3: It has to be Drake May but Guid to live
Speaker 3: up to what he needs to be and Sad.
Speaker 2: In the middle. I hear you, But Guidan is a
Speaker 2: guy that can protect your your biggest asset.
Speaker 1: Are your right And we got we got Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 1: We got Graham uh not Graham Barton. Yeah, Graham Barton
Speaker 1: from Duke the center guard tackle. And then we got
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson as the edge rusher. Explosive, that rusher, he's
Speaker 1: going to be, uh, pretty dynamic. We need to fill
Speaker 1: that deep well.
Speaker 5: We want the fans to vote for who they think
Speaker 5: are the best one. We'll put that poll on Spotify.
Speaker 5: So when you download this on Spotify, make sure you
Speaker 5: vote for Logan and Jack Jason
Speaker 2: Jack Jason