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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickets of the Draft podcast, presented

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Speaker 1: by Sea Geek, we talked draft strategies and what makes

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Speaker 1: a good comp We go deep fred Es deep on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback talk. That's like twenty minutes of conversation. Love

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Speaker 1: that we got a mock draft draft battle, which we love.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the first three picks, Fred smoot Zach

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Speaker 1: Selby in the house. It all starts right out. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Ticket of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson

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Speaker 1: here with just a guy, Jason, Jesu, zach A Selby

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Speaker 1: and Fretz who.

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Speaker 2: We got a big cast today.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's really really exciting and just reminder tick too.

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Speaker 1: A draft is presented by Seakeeek, the official primary ticketing

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Speaker 1: partner of the Washington Commanders, and Jason. We got a

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Speaker 1: really fun show today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This is actually Selby's idea.

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Speaker 2: Selby, Yeah, yeah, the brain trust, I big idea.

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Speaker 4: You want to explain what's going on? This is yours.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to take your thunder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking, like everyone know these

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Speaker 2: pffraft simulators all the time, right, So I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, what what if we all did we all know,

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Speaker 2: you know drafts, draft guys. We know all these prospects,

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Speaker 2: so why don't see who has the best draft? Because

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Speaker 2: we all like competition? Right Yeah, now as good as

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Speaker 2: logan is. I mean, friend, now you know we're going

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Speaker 2: to put our differences inside, yes for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, put together baking differences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, making differences.

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Speaker 3: It's competition.

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Speaker 1: But I think I'm going to say this too. I

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Speaker 1: think people are sleeping on just the guy Jason over

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Speaker 1: here at his evaluation because I was I tell you this.

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that story. I will say for

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Speaker 1: the podcast. And I was out doing something el coach

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Speaker 1: in high school football when high school coaches came up

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Speaker 1: to me and said, Hey, who's just a guy Jason?

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Speaker 1: He's really smart? Is he like a scout? And I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, he's the producer.

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Speaker 2: But obviously takes are being well received somebody.

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Speaker 3: They might have shout out.

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Speaker 2: To coach bar shout out to coach Barb.

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Speaker 5: That's just when you put a microphone or a camera

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Speaker 5: in front of somebody and they speak confidently, people tend

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Speaker 5: to believe it, right. So that's all I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Speak comics all the sense of the world. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would say my evaluations are pretty surface level.

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Speaker 5: But I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, coach, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so basically we're drafting the first two rounds for

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Speaker 1: the Commanders, yes, which.

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Speaker 5: Is three total pigs, yeah, number two, thirty six forty. Uh,

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Speaker 5: there's four of us here, but we're gonna do it

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Speaker 5: as teams. Fred and Selby and Logan and I and

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Speaker 5: uh yeah, I think those are pretty dynamic.

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Speaker 6: Maybe when you need hip you go O is so

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Speaker 6: you go smooth at Yale. This is what we do

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Speaker 6: right now you need him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah s O s O.

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Speaker 1: You said you need to smoot and Selby doesn't A.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's basically yeah, it's it's speil German

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Speaker 2: There's with a lot. Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We could have put Fred and Logan on the same team.

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Speaker 5: We got to keep that competition going. And because Logan

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Speaker 5: and I have been doing this podcast already together, it

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Speaker 5: made sense.

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Speaker 2: Restaurant peered in.

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Speaker 5: So you guys are kind of a power house because

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Speaker 5: Logan's going to do most of the heavy lifting on

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Speaker 5: this end.

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Speaker 2: Stop.

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Speaker 5: But before we begin, before we begin this draft, to

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Speaker 5: see how the Commanders what we.

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Speaker 4: Could end up with.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we should talk about draft strategies because

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Speaker 5: the point of this exercise is to show how diverse

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Speaker 5: these picks can be depending on who's making the pick,

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Speaker 5: what the dynamic is in the room, what your draft

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Speaker 5: strategy is going in. So let's talk about that for

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Speaker 5: you guys. Yeah, what's your draft strategy for today?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think you got two options. You eat the

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Speaker 6: best player available type?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: Are you a field necessity type? Dude? Do we feel spots?

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Speaker 3: I think me and Salem be one of those people.

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Speaker 3: We see holes and we want to feel ectly that's

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Speaker 3: how you feel.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh? Yeah, I mean you look at this team.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of different holes that could fill. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's also some really dynamic players. So it kind of

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Speaker 2: works out a little bit where you have the best

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Speaker 2: it really works out because it's like there's a lot

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm also one to know people.

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Speaker 6: When I look at a roster, I ask myself what

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Speaker 6: room do I want to add youth to because I

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Speaker 6: can't feel every position with youth. Right, So at the end,

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Speaker 6: of the day, I say, who needs a youth infusion?

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Speaker 6: Got like four or five spots, especially on offense, they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so that when I hear best player available,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as I just maybe because friend said it,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So what I mean by that is like,

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Speaker 1: best player available is a really interesting idea because you

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Speaker 1: got best player available in terms of fit, and like

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Speaker 1: fill a need in the draft. That's just my personal opinion. Right,

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Speaker 1: free agencies coming up, we should fill the needs there,

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Speaker 1: again we think are best player available air quotes there

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Speaker 1: and that fit the team culture, right, because best player

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Speaker 1: plug and play day one talents.

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Speaker 1: It's all a projection. So it's like, what is the

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Speaker 1: is the best projection to the team based on the

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Speaker 1: all projections. Outside of like Joe Wall, Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 1: think that's what people need to understand about this process

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Speaker 1: is like, that's why the draft, in my opinion, is

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Speaker 1: such a crapshoot, because people forget that it's not a

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Speaker 1: it's just a different football game. The college game is

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Speaker 6: See, that's why I love having the Shelby's analytics. You know.

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Speaker 6: The thing that we do over here is we understand

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Speaker 6: there's going to be things that we can't control in

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Speaker 6: that dry that drop that we don't think that's gonna

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Speaker 6: drop that we're gonna say, you know what we might

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'll spent hours put in not a

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Speaker 2: big board, but a mini board. Mini people.

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Speaker 1: How many people on your mini board?

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, so I got that one?

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Speaker 1: Fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, okay, yeah, yeah, all right, that's fair enough.

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Speaker 2: That's fair enough.

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Speaker 5: So I have a question about who cares? I have

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Speaker 5: open it up to everybody. So when they when people

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Speaker 5: say best player available, right, as a fan, when I

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Speaker 5: they always take the best player available. And to me

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Speaker 5: and look at how it is carshing is what does

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Speaker 4: Does that mean the best.

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Speaker 3: Player in I was there for the best player available?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I was slotted for the mid first round to

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Speaker 3: I dropped twenty picks.

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Speaker 6: And now a team like Washington that had Dion sanders

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Speaker 6: Sometimes they say, all right, I gotta pull a trigger

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what sometimes.

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Speaker 6: Forced people to say, you know what, let me scratch

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I can find this talent anywhere

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Speaker 1: Well. I think a really good example is like the

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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that people forget. It's not

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Speaker 1: they they draft good football players that are tough and physical.

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Speaker 1: They see that stuff, right, but it's really, are you tough?

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Speaker 1: And then talent, and then do we have as an

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Speaker 1: I think that's when I see Baltimore. I don't think

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Speaker 6: And he go, think about it, thirty two players taking

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Speaker 6: Most seventy percent of eight of the NFL is none

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Speaker 5: All right, A real quick exercise before we begin. Just

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Speaker 6: They're saying a lot, uh you first, Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr.

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Speaker 1: So that's why he is he's the he's the best

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 5: The comparisons of Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes are scary.

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Speaker 5: Why because what if he's not Patrick.

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Speaker 6: No, he's Caleb Williams. They saying that he's Patrick Mahome.

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Speaker 6: Now, the thing about it is do you have a

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Speaker 1: relevant here and even Jade Daniels to a certain extent

443
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Speaker 1: is Josh Allen has ruined quarterback evaluation in my opinion,

444
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Speaker 1: because he was such a projection. He was a trades

445
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Speaker 1: guy that projected really well to the NFL, and most

446
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Speaker 1: times those trades guys they don't develop. You know, It's

447
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Speaker 1: like how many guys have big armed him run but

448
00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,199
Speaker 1: they never lost, don't develop like that, yes, right, you know.

449
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Speaker 1: And so these traits, these qualities have made people go, well,

450
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,800
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is gonna he'll develop in three years. But

451
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Speaker 1: like if you look at the history of the NFL,

452
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Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen.

453
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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, they a numbers.

454
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Speaker 6: Stay one out of these three quarterbacks are not gonna

455
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Speaker 6: be good, and one of them might be okay, one

456
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Speaker 6: of them might be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And even if Caleb Williams is not

458
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Speaker 2: in the homes like Mahomes is an inevitable force, he's alien.

459
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Speaker 2: Even if he's the little short, that's still pretty dang good.

460
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Speaker 6: And don't forget a lot of people passed on Pat Mahomes.

461
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Speaker 6: They're just understand that, Yeah, that's.

462
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Speaker 4: The Trubisky draft.

463
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Speaker 3: Yes it was. So they had been a guy that

464
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Speaker 3: had a better grade than Patrick.

465
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Speaker 1: But I think going back to Patrick and watching him, like,

466
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that make you go, I

467
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Speaker 1: don't know if that works at this level, you know,

468
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that And I think, like when

469
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Speaker 1: you talk to NFL gms, and scouts. One of the

470
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Speaker 1: things they consistently say about Caleb is like, can he

471
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Speaker 1: play in schedule? Can he do anything in schedule? And

472
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Speaker 1: the history of a quarterback who can't do stuff on

473
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Speaker 1: schedule and in rhythm of being successful is very, very low.

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Speaker 6: Like I would read, they have to teach you to

475
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Speaker 6: throw our own schedule then to try to give you

476
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Speaker 6: a trait that you can't you have to be born

477
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Speaker 6: with with throwing off.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, but what But I would push

479
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Speaker 1: back and say, like, so much of offensive football needs

480
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Speaker 1: to be on schedule. You're thrown in a tight windows.

481
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Speaker 1: So if my default setting is I pull the ball

482
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Speaker 1: down and try to make a play, like think about

483
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, how that offense is always a little bit more.

484
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Speaker 1: But Russell or like Zach Wilson, was a guy that

485
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Speaker 1: was off schedule all the time in college.

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Speaker 2: Right.

487
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're.

488
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Speaker 3: The same hands coming out of you right now, but.

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Speaker 1: I'm just this is this is this is the counter

490
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Speaker 1: to Caleb, right, this is why this is why he's not,

491
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Speaker 1: this is why he's not Trevor Lawrence, in my opinion,

492
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Speaker 1: is because that feature of his game. Every person you

493
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Speaker 1: talk to that comes up. First thing out of their

494
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Speaker 1: mouth is like, he's talented, but can he can he

495
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Speaker 1: play on schedule? And so again like the talent is there,

496
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Speaker 1: but he is more of a projection than I think

497
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Speaker 1: people want to acknowledge, especially after watching this last year.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and I can say this, I just watched the

499
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Speaker 6: Super Bowl and I both guys know, and I give

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Speaker 6: brock Purty his props. He's one of the most own

501
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Speaker 6: scheduled quarterbacks in the league right now.

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Speaker 3: He's own schedule.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, though, he alli a lot of

504
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Speaker 1: those third down plays is off schedule. Yeah, so I'm

505
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Speaker 1: not saying you don't need that, but you need both

506
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Speaker 1: as well.

507
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Speaker 6: That's what I was bringing up is I just watched

508
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Speaker 6: his own scheduled guy have a great Super Bowl, but

509
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Speaker 6: I watched the off schedule guy.

510
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Speaker 3: Beat him with instinct and game ability.

511
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Speaker 6: And I'm hoping this is the thing that us as

512
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Speaker 6: ex football players see this couch don't see. We can

513
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Speaker 6: see the stuff that says, you know what, this is

514
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Speaker 6: kind of an orthodox but uh, it's.

515
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Speaker 1: Gonna gets It's amazing. But again, like it is something

516
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Speaker 1: you worry about because like people who I look at

517
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Speaker 1: like Bryce Young for example.

518
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Speaker 2: It's a great example.

519
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Speaker 1: Like at Alabama, he's this great creative nuance, you know

520
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Speaker 1: what I mean, He's got this point guard. I love

521
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Speaker 1: that description of him. And then he gets the league

522
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Speaker 1: and the windows are a little bit tighter. He's holding

523
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Speaker 1: the football little bit longer, gets sacked a whole bunch.

524
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Speaker 1: Does Caleb do the same thing? Does he just because

525
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Speaker 1: he doesn't see it right now? Does he pull the

526
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Speaker 1: ball down? And do we get sacks? Force fumbles because

527
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Speaker 1: he you know, people don't talk about that either. Thirteen

528
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Speaker 1: fumbles last year. Thirteen fumbles last year because he's running

529
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Speaker 1: aund unaware where the rush is at. So that's a

530
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Speaker 1: lot about Caleb Williams. But that's to me where where

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Speaker 1: it's like he's not the best player. He's not the

532
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Speaker 1: best player in the draft because it's it's a long

533
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Speaker 1: road to get and if the projection hits, yeah, you're

534
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Speaker 1: really stoked.

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Speaker 4: But well, let's do this.

536
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Speaker 5: Let's see if Caleb Williams goes number one overall, we

537
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Speaker 5: don't even have to talk about him anymore here in

538
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Speaker 5: our draft.

539
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Speaker 4: So we're going to.

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Speaker 5: Start the PFF mock Draft simulator. Yere Fred and Selby,

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Speaker 5: You guys can pick first and then we'll pick.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, or you're leting us pick first.

543
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll let you pick first.

544
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Speaker 2: Gave him out, just disappeared. What's really small and glasses?

545
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Speaker 3: Listen small miles. They eat cheese too.

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Speaker 5: Of course, watch watch the simulator take Drake mag now

547
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Speaker 5: took Caleb Williams. Sorry, so Washington's on the clock. Caleb

548
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Speaker 5: Williams is off, Fred and Selby talk us through.

549
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Speaker 4: What do you guys say?

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Speaker 2: This was the first thing we really debated.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Wait the second would have.

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Speaker 2: Thought that, yeah, that's either going to be It would

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Speaker 2: either be Drake May or Jane Daniels. Yeah, I'll admit

554
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Speaker 2: I was. I liked a lot of the skill sets

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Speaker 2: that Jaydon Daniels has. Ye brings up that improvisation that

556
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Speaker 2: I bringed up with that brother he did. But we

557
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Speaker 2: kind of agreed that we think that Drake May could

558
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Speaker 2: project him to be something better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, especially when it comes to a couple of things

561
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Speaker 6: cold weather, his height, of his ability to throw across

562
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Speaker 6: the middle.

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Speaker 3: Gotta throw across the middle wing in the league.

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Speaker 6: Yes, he has some stuff to clean up, mainly about

565
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Speaker 6: his feet and his technique. But I just think when

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Speaker 6: I look at him and Jade and Daniels for all

567
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Speaker 6: the great things he did, and James Daniels is the

568
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Speaker 6: best deep through in this dref. I just think you

569
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Speaker 6: have to have more nuance at the quarterback position, and

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Speaker 6: I thought Drake May could bring those nuances and not

571
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Speaker 6: exciting for who is gonna be today he makes it here,

572
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Speaker 6: but who he's going to be in the future.

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Speaker 3: I think my ceiling.

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Speaker 6: And I know most people say that Jay and Dane

575
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Speaker 6: Seeley might be a little bit more because he's a faster.

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Speaker 6: I just think it's a complete player. I get more

577
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Speaker 6: with Drake May than I do Jay and Dad.

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Speaker 2: And the film. The film I think is better last

579
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Speaker 2: year than it is this year. But it's not like

580
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Speaker 2: this year's film was bad, right.

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Speaker 6: I do want to see I want to see quarterbacks

582
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Speaker 6: go through adversity. I don't want to see just your

583
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Speaker 6: good times. I want to see what happens when you

584
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Speaker 6: have no weapons and when it's just you.

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Speaker 2: You talk about exposed to plays with the something Washington needs.

586
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Speaker 2: Third best passer on passes of twenty plus yards, he

587
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Speaker 2: had thirty two big time plays, only three turnover plays,

588
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Speaker 2: turn ever worthy plays, and you didn't do that well

589
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Speaker 2: under pressure, but I think generally overall he does. He

590
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Speaker 2: does have more consistent play us. On top of that,

591
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Speaker 2: he talked about like, you know, you mentioned off air

592
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Speaker 2: that he has a lot of you know, you think

593
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Speaker 2: he's faster most people think. But here's what here's what

594
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Speaker 2: I think. I don't think he's gonna be able to

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Speaker 2: do that much in the NFL. Is kind of Brice Young,

596
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Speaker 2: like he's not gonna be able to do the winners

597
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Speaker 2: are hired a lot of stuff. I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to do a lot of stuff and

599
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: gets more physical players, but he has the pocket ability

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Speaker 2: that he can rely on as he can kind of

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Speaker 2: add that a wrinkle to his game because his eyes

602
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: are always forward, even when he scrambled around the pocket,

603
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Speaker 2: He's always looking to try to make better plays downfield.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's something that I think Jye Daniels.

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Speaker 2: I think he's explosive, think he has a lot of ability.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he has that ability quite just yet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. I totally agree with you now,

608
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Speaker 6: and I comfort him. We had a hybrid between Josh

609
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Speaker 6: Allen and Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: That's where the compsole idea man, that's where the compsole just.

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Speaker 3: Straight caking a cup cake and a blue bear the

612
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Speaker 3: same thing.

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Speaker 1: That's where a cop like because like I've heard a

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Speaker 1: comp of Sam Howe. I've heard people say, oh he's

615
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Speaker 1: he's a bigger Sam Howe, and so does that that

616
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Speaker 1: changes the color.

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Speaker 2: Sam don't make but don't make me in the same offense.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. But I think when you

619
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Speaker 1: when you go watch him, you're like when I go

620
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Speaker 1: back in my notes and I'm saying, oh, he's not

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Speaker 1: very accurate, he's not good against pressure, you know, like

622
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Speaker 1: there's some mechanics issues, there's some timing issues, and I

623
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Speaker 1: go like, what did I write for Sam how And

624
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, he's not very good against pressure.

625
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Speaker 1: His accuracy is a little bit, you know, like it's

626
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Speaker 1: the same.

627
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's coaching problems, not plea of problems.

628
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Speaker 2: Is it.

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Speaker 1: Because again, we saw some of those same issues here

630
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Speaker 1: with Sam this year. So I'm not saying I think

631
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Speaker 1: this is this is gonna sound like I'm hate on

632
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Speaker 1: Drake Man, but you are you know.

633
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: When you know what I'm saying in the comp, the comp,

635
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Speaker 1: the comple mess you up.

636
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Speaker 2: Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: That's why when I see a comp that's bad or

638
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Speaker 1: off comp, because I think when you say I think,

639
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Speaker 1: I think he's Justin Herbert and a mixture of Josh Allen,

640
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Speaker 1: two of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'm talking traits. I'm not talking about

642
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Speaker 6: I don't think it's arguing a bit. Listen, his arm is.

643
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Speaker 3: Better than you think it is. He's a better athlete,

644
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: so you want him to run.

645
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Speaker 6: You want to see him run in his tight in

646
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 6: Indianapolis before.

647
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Speaker 3: It's brought.

648
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of Jared Goff. I think

649
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Speaker 2: that's I think that's a better coll He can be

650
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: the same thing. He's a better No.

651
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 6: I like Jared Golf. He's riding a danger field of quarterbacks.

652
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 6: They give him no respect. I love Jared Golf. I

653
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 6: see some different than Drake Man. You know I wasn't

654
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: on Drake Maye.

655
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Speaker 1: Like this is going to sound like this, don't sound

656
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Speaker 1: like I don't like Drake Maybe this is my like, well, actually,

657
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: like I think he's a good college football player. But

658
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Speaker 1: it's not like Drake may is like an easier projection

659
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: based on his twenty twenty three film Than jayde and Daniels.

660
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And this is a conversation

661
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Speaker 1: that happened the end of.

662
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Jared Goff did go number one? If y'all didn't know.

663
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.

664
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: But like that, I agree with that. There's some issues

665
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: to Jared Golf's game when he was in college, right,

666
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: but he's got a big arm, and he's got that

667
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: that kind of statuesque ability and he developed you, he

668
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: developed over his over his time in the NFL.

669
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 6: Look.

670
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: And I'm going to push back when you I know

671
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: we're on the same team little bit because we've had

672
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: this conversation off air a lot because you struggle with comps.

673
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't like that comp though, and.

674
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: He don't know comps.

675
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: The reason the reason you struggle with comps is because

676
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 5: you sometimes and it's not wrong, but you sometimes say, oh,

677
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 5: well he's not going to be that person. Well, comps

678
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: are not supposed to be he's going to have the

679
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 5: success that this No for this standard person who isn't

680
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: watching film gets a general understanding of their body type.

681
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: Say this though his arm made, his arm is not

682
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: as good as either one of the players you just mentioned,

683
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: like that's a fact.

684
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'll tell you this about Jay Danny.

685
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 6: He throws the bis deep ball, but he does not

686
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 6: wil across the middles, and he does not the whale

687
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 6: I's had to know.

688
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I'm not saying that he does.

689
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying about two spots.

690
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that when you make

691
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: a comp of Josh Allen, what's the trait that Josh

692
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Allen has well.

693
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 6: Josh Allen came his lead Wolly, inconsistent with everything Wiley,

694
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: and consistent with everything.

695
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: He had a Holitzer for an arm Justin Herbert, one

696
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: of the sickest arms in the NFL. His Drake May's arm,

697
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: while good, is not that good. That's why I like

698
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: the Jared Golf comp a little bit better. It's he's

699
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: got talent.

700
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: So so then the comp is what Fred said, if

701
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: he didn't do as many push ups right Like, It's like.

702
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Fred said, we're mixing them together. We got two cupcakes.

703
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: Nuce to it for you to feel good.

704
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: And we both said he's more athletic than Jered Golf.

705
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: Could you give him?

706
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 6: I would say, all right, all right, So now he's

707
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 6: a running Jared Golf, which I mean a more athletic Jared.

708
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: Logan's happy.

709
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, that's where a comple lie to you.

710
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: Like if I come into the draft room and I

711
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: say he's he's he's Justin Herbert, I'm like, well, shoot, man,

712
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert went top five and that it paints a picture.

713
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I think it is somewhat an acturate but did not believe.

714
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: But you're not doing that in the draft room.

715
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: Yet they do this, They do do it.

716
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: I understand. I understand their comps are going to be

717
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: I would say a little more nuanced and deeper than

718
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 5: what we're trying to do as the media, just because

719
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: we're not expecting that a just a guy. Jason on

720
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: the other end, has watched all this film just give

721
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 5: me a name.

722
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: I know.

723
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like two artists looking at a similar picture.

724
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: Be someone could be like, oh, well this one has

725
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: more details.

726
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: This is Yeah, you're not wrong.

727
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm trying.

728
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: To paint a picture for the fans too, because I

729
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: think I think people throw that Herbert cop out all

730
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: the time.

731
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: He wears number ten, he's big. They look very similar.

732
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about.

733
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: But but like, but what I'm saying is like, it's

734
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: it's different.

735
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: It's not quite the reason not through to Justin Herbert

736
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 6: out there, because I watched Justin herb would come out

737
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 6: of college and get picked apart because he was a

738
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 6: part of a running offense and he was not challenged

739
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 6: to push the ball down the field. But when he were,

740
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 6: when he did throw the ball down, feel it was

741
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 6: very impressive.

742
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: So I can only take what you give me the show.

743
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 6: And when he came out, I remember saying it, I like,

744
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: I love Chase. He was like hard not to look

745
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 6: at him physically and say I want one of those.

746
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 6: But I was like, I might take Justin Herbert. I

747
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 6: said it many times and people shot me down. He

748
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 6: shot me down. They were like, he's he's raw. I

749
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 6: was like, well, a lot of us make it here, Wrang.

750
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 6: That don't mean I can't get to where you want

751
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 6: me to get to. And that's what I'm saying about

752
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 6: Drake May. Yes, he is flawed. Every every player in

753
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 6: this draft besides Marvin Harrison's drawed it flawed in some

754
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 6: kind of way.

755
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: I agree. I think that's that's good.

756
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Marvin Harrison, I'm not saying we're gonna

757
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: drift at number two. Now, that's we're on the clock.

758
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: I've been on the call like seven receivers over there.

759
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 5: But for the for the guys that said they're taking

760
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: the best player available, they passed over Marvin Harrison Junior

761
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: left them for us. So if we're Washington at number too,

762
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: are we taking Marvin Rrison Junior?

763
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: Or do we have to take a quarterback?

764
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: See, this is this is where I think it gets

765
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. This is where best player available

766
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit of a lie because like, yes,

767
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: he's the best player available, but like in terms of us, yeah,

768
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: this is the best player for us? Yes, right, I

769
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: think that's the question is like probably not for the.

770
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: Washington It's like marriage.

771
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 6: Ansome guy in the world. Don't mean you the best mate.

772
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: That's a great point. You've experienced that.

773
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 6: Yes, I I'm hope for one, but I'm not a quitter.

774
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: I'd be up and.

775
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Nixt year.

776
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: Number two.

777
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: I like that shirt.

778
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: By the way, Thank you so rich.

779
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: So what do you think, Logan, I'm thinking we have

780
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: to take Daniels here.

781
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: I think so too.

782
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: And I like Daniels, and again like I like Drake May,

783
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I have my reservations about him. I have my reservations

784
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: about Jane Daniels. I think the thing I come back

785
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: to is I think the lottery ticket it's got a

786
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: bigger payout for Jayde and Daniels.

787
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing I lower floor, higher feeling.

788
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's a good think about it. Like

789
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: with Jane Daniels, like the running a bill. So when

790
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: you watch Jane Daniels, he's very accurate.

791
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: He can.

792
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I think he can make all the throws he's throwing.

793
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: The two absolute dogs like Sleep Davers is a dog

794
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: first round both first round Ryan Thomas, first round receiver.

795
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: He's awesome.

796
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: SI think he I think he can have a high

797
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: sealing mileigue neighbors in league.

798
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Both those guys are super impressive. But the deep ball

799
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: accuracy is great. The tight win he threw a lot

800
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: in the tight windows, which I respect. I like to

801
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: see quarterbacks not turning down tight window stuff in the CC.

802
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: In the SEC. You know, he played great against Alabama,

803
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: great against Florida when his team needed him to make plays,

804
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: like against Missouri they were down twenty eight to three,

805
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: and he came back and they ended up winning that game,

806
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: and he just carried them through that process and I

807
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: and again he won the Heisman this year. He's the

808
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: best player in college football. And there's things about his

809
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: game I don't like. So he turned stuff down in

810
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: favor of scrambling, which he won't be able to do

811
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL. We gotta get We got to learn

812
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: that through, you know what I'm saying. Just like there's

813
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: some stuff with Drake May. But I just think that

814
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: lottery ticket is so high. It's like the payout could

815
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: be huge. Because I think I see a lot of

816
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of Lamar in him, and I think I

817
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: think he's got a better.

818
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: But see think about a minute. Lamar but a man

819
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: that don't like cops. He just gained the worst compot.

820
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: But think about it, but think about how that comp

821
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: just biases you, right, because he's not Lamar. Because he's

822
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: more of a linear runner than Lamar. I think he's

823
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: a better scrambler.

824
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: He don't got the wiggle.

825
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have.

826
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: The wiggle that Lamar does. Right, But I think he's

827
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: coming out of college. I think he's a better natural

828
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: passer from the jump. He's in a simpler offense because

829
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Lamar ran this kind of a pro style, you know,

830
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and so it's a little bit different. His arm town's

831
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: a little bit better, his mechanics are a little bit

832
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: more consistent. You talk about adversity, Fred he started his

833
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: own estate, didn't look very good, built his way up

834
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: into this player now, right, So I do think there's

835
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff.

836
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: Had some pro coaching at Arizona State too.

837
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, that's a great point. And so I think

838
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about him. And I think

839
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: I just come back to like, if I were to

840
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: take Drake May be very Drake May, I'd be very happy.

841
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: But I also I come back to like, I think

842
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I think he could be special, Like.

843
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 6: I hate Joe cum special, I hate Joe cup Well.

844
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: When I think of Lamar, I think of his size,

845
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 4: which yes, yes, kind of.

846
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: Like how he's built.

847
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: But something so the other comp that people say is

848
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: and I think this has this gives a negative connotation

849
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: r G three And I don't think he's that guy

850
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: because I think he's I think.

851
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: He's an act like R. G. Wooden, who did boy

852
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: coming out of college?

853
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Like maybe like like Cunningham. Maybe is maybe a better

854
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: comp for how he runs like he's around. Yeah, he's

855
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: got a big arm, but not a huge like maybe

856
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: that's a better comp. But but I think like there

857
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: is a is a more instinctive runner, a more natural

858
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: running or Roberts. This track guy very linear. I think

859
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: he's Jane Danis has a better feel. Also, I think

860
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: he's he was in a more diverse offense than Robert.

861
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's like Robert if he I don't

862
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: even know.

863
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: I hate to say it.

864
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 6: I feel like I feel like we dated this person

865
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 6: before in the Draff. I feel like we dated this person.

866
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: You know, I told you. I feel like he was

867
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: r G four now all to do that feel it?

868
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 6: His real name to me is Robert Campbell, half Robert Griffin,

869
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 6: third half Jason.

870
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: That bias is the that comp biases you, I think,

871
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it no.

872
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 7: I think Jason Campbell won national championship. God like we

873
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 7: ruined him with like six coaches here, we ruined him.

874
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is delivery size. Jason had some

875
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 7: size on him. I think Jason size is similar to his.

876
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: It was his six four, two hundred pounds.

877
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: It's Jason, that's Jason Campbell.

878
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the height with Drake May, that the

879
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: same height. You know obviously Drake Mays to four like

880
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: mis sticker, like we'll put together. But and you know

881
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Jadon Daniels takes a lot of shots in the running game.

882
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm with you how to slide, But I think I

883
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: just I just look at him. I just and again,

884
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: maybe you're getting mes ris b because like you said,

885
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: this sack twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. I

886
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: think Drake May is a better football player. But if

887
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: you just look at twenty twenty three, it's not even close.

888
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: There was such a big gap in there for but

889
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: even Eve when he before he transferred l as either

890
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: he's a big gap there and the exactly some of

891
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: the same arguments you brought up why you picked Jane

892
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: Dan's was that army that I brought to Fred. Now, now,

893
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I have, the biggest problem I

894
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: have with him is that he seems like he just

895
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: he sees his read and if it's not there, Yeah,

896
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: it freaks out. I think that's true.

897
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: I think it freaks out as probably because I always

898
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: feel like he's pretty composed, you know, like he's not

899
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: like you don't get happy feet. He's very deliberate about

900
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: when he scrambled. He's very very purposeful about doing it.

901
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: I guess more ager say is he's he's looking to run.

902
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think it's like if it's

903
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: not there, if I don't love it, this is what

904
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: I see from him. If I don't love the read,

905
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: if I don't love the progression, I'm gonna run and

906
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: against every team in college football like he murdered, like

907
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: against Alabama, one of the fastest teams, one of the best,

908
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: most NFL comp teams. He looked like the best player,

909
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: like by far the best playing the field. Obviously, he

910
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: leaves that gave early with a concussion because he gets

911
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: hit not on a scramble but like a late kind

912
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: of a dirty hit.

913
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't hate that. As if you're

914
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: a young quarterback trying to learn the game and everything,

915
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: but eventually you're always gonna have to learn how to

916
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: win from the pocket. That's what Grake may have think

917
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: has an advantage over James.

918
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think I think he sees in

919
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: the middle to feel better but also like in this

920
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury offense, like one of this.

921
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: Is gonna be big windows.

922
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be big windows. But also like, one of

923
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: the things that I think adds a lot of value

924
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: to this offense is a quarterback that can run well.

925
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: And I think Drake May can run, but I think

926
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: Daniels is just a more dynamical jail.

927
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he's more of a whipping to.

928
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: You, more of a weapon.

929
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: And again I don't like, I don't if they draft

930
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: to Drake May, I'm gonna be happy. But I think

931
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: part of me is like I think there's a there's

932
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: a huge payout if it all goes the way it's

933
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: supposed to.

934
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I think we win no matter

935
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: what who you pick.

936
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: And and like you said this already, Fred, it comes

937
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: down of the coaching and the system they're coming to.

938
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: But I do think I just think you. I think

939
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: the ceiling is so much higher with Jane Daniels.

940
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 6: Like I said, I don't think you lose with any

941
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 6: of these dudes. And I don't want nobody to think

942
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 6: I'm being negative when I say RG three, because let's

943
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 6: be honest, he one has me just like Jane Davis

944
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 6: came out just like Jane Daniels, and.

945
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, he had a hell of the rookie year.

946
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 6: And if he just take that coaching that that he

947
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 6: got around him, I believe he keeps going like leg

948
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 6: just be hones. The word thing that got in front

949
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 6: of r G three was RG three. But the athlete

950
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 6: himself he could play the game of football. I'm saying,

951
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 6: Jane Daniels can play the game of football. We don't

952
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 6: lose taking either of these guys.

953
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point. Like the Commins

954
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: coming up here, we haven't we don't have that information yet,

955
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: But how do they interview, you know? And like there's

956
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: there's always stuff that comes out where it's like like

957
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm Cliff, I'm sitting in the meeting room with Drake May.

958
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: And he's quiet or something and don't say anything.

959
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't like how he answers the question, but I

960
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: hit it off yea with Jane Daniels, like I want

961
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: the guy that that OC that OC likes, you know,

962
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: And again it might be the other way. It could

963
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: be Drake May is the guy that oh everyone loves him, right,

964
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: But I think like that's going to be a huge

965
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: data point in terms of getting this staff invested in

966
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: the guy and then making the decision for I.

967
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: Think they're small because I think no position matters more

968
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 6: about the human himself.

969
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: Than the quarter A great point because he just touches

970
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: so much imprint of the team and we are actually

971
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: are in print of him.

972
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: That's a That's what I love that.

973
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: I think that's great insight because like think about how

974
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: many times, like like Kirk Cousins like you when he

975
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: when the each I draft here over RG three, Like

976
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: the leadership that he has compared to our you know,

977
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: like the.

978
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 6: No the team gravitas. Do you bring grown men together

979
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 6: and make them want to play for you? We just

980
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 6: saw Patrick Mahons do that. Let's be honest. The best

981
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 6: roster on that field was the forty nine ers, the

982
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 6: best team with the Kansas City Chiefs.

983
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: And being vocal and being able to relate to players

984
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: is so different. They can make it in their lot

985
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: in the lock, but they're not always the same, right

986
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: because you see a lot of quarterbacks who are not

987
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: exactly the most outspoken guys, but they can hang up

988
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: at the offensive line and they can relate to the

989
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: running backs.

990
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: Bacon made the field.

991
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 6: People say what they want to his teammates play for Bacon,

992
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 6: Bacon the quarterback that go out and I'm gonna have

993
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 6: a beer with you. You know, Tom ain't putting them

994
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 6: cards in his body, but you know, when you get

995
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: the practice and you're.

996
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: Gonna get on that field, Tom demands your best.

997
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: What's gottay avacadra, tequila?

998
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: Heineke had that Jason, they all loved playing with him.

999
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: He just didn't have the talent. Yeah, but guys elevated team. Yeah, absolutely,

1000
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I agree.

1001
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: As a Jag fan of this team, I'd be happy

1002
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: with either one of these quarterbacks. I hear exactly what

1003
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: you're saying with the lottery ticket of Daniels, and that

1004
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 5: really excites me. Also scares me because I've seen that

1005
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 5: with RG three and like those type of players.

1006
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: But his and sorry to Cutch, his film in twenty

1007
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: twenty three. I can't stress this enough. Phenomenal, It's amazing.

1008
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: He I heard a stat I'll have to stack check

1009
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: this at some point, but I heard that in his

1010
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: last year he had more touchdowns than Daniel Jones had

1011
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: in his whole college career.

1012
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he was, And Daniel Jones went in the

1013
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 4: in the first round.

1014
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: He was like that.

1015
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that I get caught

1016
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: up in because I haven't watched any twenty twenty two

1017
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: of him. I've just watched twenty twenty three.

1018
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.

1019
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to say magical, but that's the kind

1020
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: of player you're talking about it and it's so easy

1021
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: to get caught so alluring.

1022
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: Yes, but guess what, Every draft has a weasel in it.

1023
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 6: Every year we watch this weasel go to the combine

1024
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 6: and dominate and run up the draft. And it could

1025
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 6: be anybody from Michael Pennix, that could be a Bowl.

1026
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: Knicks, that could be like we watched somebody stocks explode.

1027
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, who.

1028
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1029
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: Play this.

1030
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 4: He might he might be there in our next peck.

1031
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is he's he might be the weasel.

1032
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: It's a weasel in the draft.

1033
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: So let's let's let's move on here.

1034
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time on that picks. It's

1035
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: the most important.

1036
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 5: It's going to define this franchise for the next several years,

1037
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 5: So very important pick.

1038
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 4: Only did one round.

1039
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 5: There no where we stand all right, we'll do it again,

1040
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 5: don't all right, so we're starting over the podcast then.

1041
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: All this stuff.

1042
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 6: But well we I had the Sickond round and they

1043
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 6: Sickond round pick is almost a bottom first round.

1044
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: So listen, I understand.

1045
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: And this is from is this this one right here

1046
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: is the montest sweat one I think?

1047
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: So thirty five yes, yeah, yeah, we got there from

1048
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: forty six.

1049
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 6: Thirty and forty is from Chicago. Thirty six is out

1050
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 6: massed enough.

1051
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 4: To okay, okay, I should.

1052
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: Have Walter was Walter was some discussion on the quarterback obviously,

1053
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: like we were pretty much in agreement from the start.

1054
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 2: We wanted to go going to go with the big skill.

1055
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: We wanted to go with the officive line. Yeah, and

1056
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: we had one guy in mind that we really we

1057
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: both agreed from the dough and it was Tyler.

1058
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: Go Tyler.

1059
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: If he might not be there in real life, he's

1060
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: rising fast, but if he's here there, he feels like

1061
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be picking of the phone immediately. Hey give

1062
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: me this guy.

1063
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: He's a damn dog.

1064
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: I mean Ford tight end, run back right fast.

1065
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: If Lendy scrown me, Like, ain't nobody to share corn

1066
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 6: bread with him for years. I'm talking about when I

1067
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 6: say mean, I mean me and he raw enough to

1068
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 6: not have a bad habits.

1069
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: He got a couple of bad, got some but but

1070
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: but raw enough to be all completed.

1071
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 6: And if you're getting this type of how should I say,

1072
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 6: like worth in the second round right here? I think

1073
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: he wanted them guys that can come in and start,

1074
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 6: and that's what I'm looking for from an ad beef.

1075
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: How quick can you help my team win?

1076
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 6: And I need to draft some starters with them two picks,

1077
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 6: and I think we both slanted it on guy.

1078
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: He got better at the Senior Bowl every single day,

1079
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: and you mentioned the raw techniques, Like his head was down,

1080
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: he's head duck in a little bit, and he kind

1081
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: of he kind of catched people whenever he's punching his foot.

1082
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: His fit, his footwork wasn't exact where he wanted to be.

1083
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: The next day he fixed a lot of that stuff.

1084
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: And he mentioned the athleticis like so he's there was

1085
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: a they were doing some team stuff in the senior

1086
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: in the seniors in the Senior Bowl, and they were

1087
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: doing some inside inside zone and he had to cut

1088
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: off the backside lineback and that is hard for a

1089
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: tackle to do because wand you're going against a lot

1090
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: more athletic, a lot faster than you.

1091
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: And linebackers again small and faster.

1092
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: And so he at the right angle, he knew how

1093
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: to get flight by a board day traffic and he

1094
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: cut off that linebacker and run back just goes right

1095
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: behind him. That kind of stuff. Plus you add the

1096
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: raw technique like he's got. He's just a ball clay

1097
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: that's already so good without doing all the right technique stuff.

1098
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: This guy is like he's you talk about this explosive

1099
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: that the the the lottery ticket. He could be so

1100
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: special at this left.

1101
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 6: And if you're gonna get a sports car, you need

1102
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 6: to get a cover when you buy it, and he's

1103
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 6: the cover. He's the cover to protict Drake may Jenden,

1104
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 6: Dangers whoever you want.

1105
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: We got to get somebody to protect win.

1106
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: Up against some of the best guy like Darius Robinson,

1107
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: Chris Braswell and play on Texans really well.

1108
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 6: No, he held his own in a passing offense. Yes,

1109
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 6: Oklahoma is a passing offense with ride zone running, so

1110
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 6: he know, out of handle some of the stuff.

1111
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: He's always gonna be asked to do.

1112
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Dude, if he's here, I think you're doing backflips. I

1113
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: don't think he's here, Like you said, Zach, it feels

1114
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a top twenty player.

1115
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 6: Oh you got to get it's Georgia Alabama, JC Lake them.

1116
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: I just think it's enough pass rush's enough tackles to

1117
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 6: push him.

1118
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: I hope it happened.

1119
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: I hope so. I hope he's here.

1120
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: But I think that's say to just support what Zach

1121
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: was saying, like just you you bet on traits. Yeah,

1122
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: and with tackles specifically like athletes. Yeah, this dude is

1123
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: a tremendous athlete. He's an easy mover, like he's got

1124
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: the length, he's got the size, like he's he's built

1125
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: in the last. Yeah, three twenty seven four inch arms.

1126
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: He's not married.

1127
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 6: But the athleticism, like nobody knows has ever a hoop

1128
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 6: with Trent. Trent will take the ball and do a

1129
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: three sixty dunk witty and he's your left tackle.

1130
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy he was here, you'd be I mean again,

1131
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: like it's he's these can you go to the addressers

1132
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: here real quick?

1133
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: Selby and the spirit of of.

1134
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 6: I'm not going to chop Robinson in State.

1135
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not No, he's asking no, no, but

1136
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: he is.

1137
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: Available a shop Deza. So this is interesting. So he's

1138
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a fortieth player. Can you go to corners, Zach real quick?

1139
00:45:59,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1140
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: Corners and receivers please.

1141
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: Axavia Thomas is a guy that I had been looking

1142
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: in now.

1143
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: So receiver and corner here, corner right there? Yeah?

1144
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: All right, So here's who's left. You want to you

1145
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: want to read them?

1146
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: So we got Lad mcconchney, who is awesome. He's like

1147
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: a perfect little slot receiver Fromgia. But he's he's good

1148
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: football player.

1149
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: But does he fit?

1150
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: He's not a marriage for Keon Coleman is the big

1151
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: guy from Forests. I think a lot of people are

1152
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: excited about him. I get super nervous when I watch

1153
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: this film.

1154
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: Is not a great separator and is he but knows

1155
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: how to make catches? He is?

1156
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: He Kaneil Harry from Arizona State.

1157
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: That's you know, comparison.

1158
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, like you is he that guy?

1159
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: He? Again? When you watch State mossn't everybody in side

1160
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Arizona State? Arizona State.

1161
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how he plays any but he's not a

1162
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: great separator and not a lot of nuance to his routes.

1163
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 3: So like who is he really?

1164
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Is what you ask? Yeah, who is he?

1165
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: Because like DeVante Parker is another guy that comes to

1166
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: mind that fits that kind of not a great separator,

1167
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: big guy. So I've got like a I like his

1168
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: film because it's fun to watch.

1169
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 6: It's so funny you brought him up because my draft

1170
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 6: that I got drafted. You remember Rod Gardner Climpton I

1171
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: received is it? He was taken and he was supposed

1172
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 6: to take Santana right, but they took Rod gotten another

1173
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 6: big receiver.

1174
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: It could not separate.

1175
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: And so when you look at big receivers, it can't separate.

1176
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: In today's NFL, like separation rate is becoming such a

1177
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: driver of production at the next level. So I'm kind

1178
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: of like, you know what I mean, Like it makes

1179
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: me go, oh no, I don't love that makes me

1180
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: really nervous. Davantes Walker is another guy, fastest dude you'll see.

1181
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, play a lot, but leget.

1182
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: There.

1183
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: And again he's a guy that not not a nuanced

1184
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: route runner, but has enough like kind of awareness and

1185
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: like size gets open a little bit. I think a

1186
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: little bit better than Kean. But again you're dealing with

1187
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: guys that I don't know what the value at is

1188
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: anything with the receiver specifically at the spot is there

1189
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: are a thousand receivers in this class.

1190
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: You're going to get a good receiver later a third round.

1191
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna like fall on a receiver.

1192
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: No, not can take Wheelson from flow oud of State.

1193
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: If I want a big.

1194
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: Toe, big receiver, I like him a lot. Ricky Pearsol

1195
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: probably in a third round players he's like lad mcconchney light.

1196
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: So there are so I probably would avoid a receiver here. Yeah,

1197
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: so we got in the receiver there.

1198
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got in the receiver.

1199
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 5: But also remember we're picking only five spots after this again,

1200
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 5: so you don't need to you don't need to reach

1201
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 5: for somebody yet. All these receivers, you're going to get

1202
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 5: a good one in just five picks if it's a

1203
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 5: great point. So we gotta find I think if I'm

1204
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: in the room.

1205
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: With you, oh that might be the pick right there.

1206
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: We gotta find.

1207
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: Somebody that is in a position right now that I

1208
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: can't get a good value at in just five picks.

1209
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: So like, where is it thin?

1210
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: And we need to get that play.

1211
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: So this is one okay, Tyld. I think we all

1212
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: agree probably best player available at this spot. And I'm

1213
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: really pissed because Darius Robinson went pick thirty five. He's

1214
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: a guy that if he's available, you sprint. He's the

1215
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: defensive end for Missouri. You sprint that up there, You

1216
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: sprint that up there. So the couple guys that I'm

1217
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: looking at, Graham Barton from Duke, played center, played guard,

1218
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: played tackle. He is a guard at this level. He

1219
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: is super twitchy, super physical, plays through the whistle.

1220
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: Do you want to spin the high pick like that?

1221
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: He's a second round pick on a guy that can

1222
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: play forced three spots on the offensive line. And so again,

1223
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: like I think, if he goes to the Senior Bowl,

1224
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about him in a much different line.

1225
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 4: What about what about Patrick Paul?

1226
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul? This seems a little heat to me. I

1227
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: think you get him later. I think I think in

1228
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: real draft land, if this is real, this is PFS rankings, Yeah,

1229
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I think Graham Barton, you feel really good about the

1230
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: other guy. I know you hate him, but for dan

1231
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Quinn's system, might be the move is chop Robinson.

1232
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't hate Chop Robinson. I never said that.

1233
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: So I'm a Penn State fan, right, and he just

1234
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: frustrated me. That's all.

1235
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 5: He is super athletic. So you know how you've all

1236
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 5: been saying like he's a sports car, a Lamborghini. He's

1237
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 5: a Lamborghini, but he's if you put somebody with a

1238
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: driver's permit in it.

1239
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 6: He's not.

1240
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 4: He's got one thing and one thing.

1241
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: You show up a five star.

1242
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: And you leave with three stars.

1243
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: But that's why you get into coaching there and you

1244
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: you give him a driving star to the Hey, how

1245
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: you do?

1246
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: That's what you're betting on with Chop. You're taking his

1247
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 5: athletic ability and you're betting you can make him be

1248
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 5: what you need him to do.

1249
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: This is something about Chop that I think is really interesting.

1250
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: With Chop specifically, is I think he is when you

1251
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: watch his film and don't nobody freak out. Everyone calm down.

1252
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: He don't be in There's elements, elements, elements in terms

1253
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: of athletic prof file, not the player athletic profile, not

1254
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: this guy athletic profile. Michael Parsons. Okay, so when you

1255
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: watch him, his burst off the ball, is the best

1256
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: of the class. Chop Robinson, don't know that's what I'm saying.

1257
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 5: Would you say he's the defensive end version of what

1258
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson was to quarterbacks last year, Like just all

1259
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 5: these crazy traits.

1260
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: But.

1261
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson was like good at football. Like I'm not

1262
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: saying that.

1263
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: Andony reaches.

1264
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm more on board after watching him.

1265
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm trying to buy in the choppier because

1266
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 5: he's such a physical I think he disappears man.

1267
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: If you use if you use him the way that

1268
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: they use Micah in that system where he's lining up

1269
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: in the a gas everywhere and he's just explosive. You

1270
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: got him running on stunts and loops like he's gonna

1271
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: run probably a four to four. Yeah, he's that kind

1272
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: of we'll get you taken in the first So he's

1273
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: gonna imagine it running loop stuff where he doesn't have

1274
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: to like win with his hand.

1275
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 6: When he doesn't have to beat people with his with

1276
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 6: his technique.

1277
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: In this system, you might elevate him. Right again, I

1278
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: think Graham Barton is a guy that just feels like

1279
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I just a nice easy double. We're just getting on

1280
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: base boom double well, let me.

1281
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: Okay, what about the other Penn State Edge Isaac?

1282
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: So I would I have a slightly higher grade on.

1283
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 4: Disa Isaac slightly slightly higher.

1284
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: And I just because I think he's he's going to

1285
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: test like an Appenma is gonna be pretty pretty big.

1286
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna jump over forty inches. I think

1287
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna run a four to four. And again I

1288
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: like the other guy a lot. But who else is

1289
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: in the edge? I look at the edges and weird,

1290
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: I think we go because it's so Andrean Cooper Andreck

1291
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: Cooper is interesting because I've seen like he is a

1292
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: freaky athlete.

1293
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: He's a tweener dough.

1294
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: But again, do you want a developmental linebacker?

1295
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: To your point, he's a twin er.

1296
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 4: Due, all right, who are we taking Logan, I'll defer

1297
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: to you.

1298
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: So if I was going to go here, because another

1299
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: guy that is on this list is Marshawn Keeland, and

1300
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: I like his film a lot better from Western Michigan.

1301
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: He's six three, he's two seventy. He plays like he's

1302
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: got a firecracker rappers, but like he is not. He

1303
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: never slows down. I think you get him later. So

1304
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: I think you go with a guy that is more

1305
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: valuable here in ram Barton. And this is where it's tough,

1306
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: because I was I was really hoping Darius Robinson or

1307
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: the Edge from UDUB was gonna be here, and in

1308
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: this mock, they're not.

1309
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 4: Robinson went right before such a da right before. Yeah.

1310
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: So the guy from U DUB, the Bryson Bryce Truth.

1311
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, he's big.

1312
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: What's his name?

1313
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now. His name eludes me.

1314
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 4: I watched him.

1315
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Bryson Tremaine.

1316
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: So did y'all he end up taking did y'all he

1317
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: end up taking Chop Robins? Yeah? Yeah, so right there.

1318
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we're gonna take him.

1319
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: As much as that pains me, I think we're gonna

1320
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: go because I do think I think he's gonna I

1321
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: think his value in this system is more Chop Robinson

1322
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: than other places. Yeah, but I would probably go Barton

1323
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: with this pic.

1324
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 3: Yeah we got y'all.

1325
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: Go go go to dB real quick one more time.

1326
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: Let's just double check.

1327
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: You're looking for DJ Turtle from Alburn.

1328
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for just I want to find somebody

1329
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: that I like, I'm fired up about.

1330
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: Well, you should go to the safeties Miami two safeties.

1331
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, this is not great podcasting.

1332
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: No, this is really bad. We need to make a pick.

1333
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: Carm and Kitchens.

1334
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: I feel like they would have already been on Grand

1335
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: Barton pick. Grand Barton's the pick.

1336
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: I would say, Carmen and Kitchen sitting there, Grand Barton,

1337
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: Grean Barton.

1338
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel really good about that. And you're talking

1339
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: about Trice.

1340
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: Trice, Yeah, you can do a backflip also. But all right,

1341
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: let's move on to the third round here.

1342
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: No, we to the second pick of the second round.

1343
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Second round, Okay, yeah, gotta admit you know, this is

1344
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: where we kind of deferred a lot.

1345
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1346
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where it gets tough.

1347
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: It's where it gets tough. Now, I have I have

1348
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: some opinions that I feel like we should go receiver here. Yeah,

1349
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: he feels like we should go tight end.

1350
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 3: All right, let's look, say, pull the receivers up first.

1351
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pull the receivers up first.

1352
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: Receive.

1353
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: There's a guy that Now, now, look, man, we both

1354
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: like Leget. Let's not.

1355
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: Let's not from South Carolina.

1356
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: He's a bigger, stronger, faster version of Deebo Sam.

1357
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: Here's the something too. He has traits that this roster

1358
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: needs speeds, and I don't think it really has right

1359
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: because you've got a lot of guys who are kind of.

1360
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: Mid sized guys with mid feeds, and those are great.

1361
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: We o those guys.

1362
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't have the same. You can't have

1363
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: the same.

1364
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: You gotta do that can say, all right, we're not

1365
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: gonna be able to throw you the best pass all

1366
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, we need you to out physical guy

1367
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: down the field and flip.

1368
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: It for us.

1369
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 6: But see, this is what happened to get He's a

1370
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 6: victim of our prior perceptions, our prior doings, because we

1371
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 6: took the wide receiver a year ago to guy I

1372
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 6: think we got to go tight end here like because

1373
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, we got a tight

1374
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 6: end sit here.

1375
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: And the one thing I get.

1376
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 6: Tight ends when it comes to defensive players, they keep

1377
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 6: drives going. WHI receivers might make the big plays, but

1378
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 6: if I can get a big play tight end plus

1379
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 6: a chain mover all in one, take us to the

1380
00:55:59,640 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 6: tight end.

1381
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: Brother, let me big.

1382
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 6: Let me tell you who we take into Totavious Sanders, Texas.

1383
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: We talking about a guy I'm guaranteeing you right now, it.

1384
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 6: Almost sixty five pounds.

1385
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: He might be running the fourth to fourth when when

1386
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 3: we watch him.

1387
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 6: If you want to see what he can do on film,

1388
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 6: people go watch Alabama Texas at the beginning of the

1389
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 6: year and see what he did to one of the

1390
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 6: best safeties in college football, some of the best running

1391
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 6: inside linebackers in football. And he do what I want

1392
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 6: all my tight ends to do. He liked to get

1393
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: his clothes dirty. He likes to get his clothes dirty.

1394
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 6: So now that I got a quarterback with the first pick,

1395
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 6: now that I protected him with a tackle with the

1396
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 6: second pick. With the third pick, the law firm was smooth,

1397
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 6: and Selby said, we got to get a tight end

1398
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 6: in here, and not just a tight end, a tight

1399
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 6: end that can grow with the quarterback and be with

1400
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 6: him for the next ten years.

1401
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna defer to you on this, yeah, Truck, because

1402
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 2: I trust you, Fir. I think this is this relationship

1403
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: we're building right now. I think we're a war life

1404
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: that we're similar. But I'm gonna throw this into you. Yeah, Yeah,

1405
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm try trust you here. Yeah maybe in later on

1406
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: in these other drafts. Yeah, You're gonna have to trust

1407
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: me on some other things. I got one.

1408
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: I got one.

1409
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 6: I can trust you. But when I looked at this

1410
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 6: tight end list, Cage Stover, I think in the league

1411
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 6: he's gonna be an in line guy. And I just

1412
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 6: kept looking down and the only other guy that I

1413
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 6: said could probably be the one on one with Joheen

1414
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 6: Baio from Florida State.

1415
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: But he's almost a hybrid Cooley type player.

1416
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: And he's more of a route one.

1417
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's more of a route running half back

1418
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: type of.

1419
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: Do The only reason I only reason I say that

1420
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: is because when we get into more drafts here there's

1421
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: a there's an officive lineman that I think is really

1422
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: going to be a steal.

1423
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: But we just took out novel.

1424
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is later on drafts. Yeah, I want

1425
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: you to trust me. One.

1426
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: I trust you, brother, I trust you. Today we're gonna go.

1427
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna say this.

1428
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit of a reach, Sir Fred.

1429
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: Why he's ranked fifty like you, This is what you

1430
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: told me. We need to fall.

1431
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you need to fall a little with you.

1432
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: Just say it.

1433
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: It ain't PM, it's what we need.

1434
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this Theo Johnson excellent football player, Ben's

1435
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: not excellent football player. Jared Wiley, He's not even on

1436
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: this list, is maybe the best of those guys I

1437
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: just mentioned. So I think you can get a guy

1438
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: who can be a game changer that isn't a tight

1439
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: end at this high and I think about good tight ends,

1440
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, Travis Kelsey third round, Kittle third round, Mark

1441
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: Andrews third round. Right, that I think is where the

1442
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: nice value at is there. But I think he's a

1443
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: good football player. Jadavion's a good football player, no doubt

1444
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: about it. For us, it's Chop Robinson and I think

1445
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: we are.

1446
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: No debate, no, no, no, no. We need to go edge.

1447
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: We need to go edge.

1448
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't like Chopp, but I do deferdy.

1449
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: So go to go to the edges real quick, just

1450
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: to give like some context here, we'll keep this really quick.

1451
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: Chop again is the guy. I think he's gonna bull

1452
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: up the combine. Adisse Isaac is also here. His running

1453
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: mate at Penn State, got a lot of juice. I

1454
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: don't think he bends as well. And then think about Shop.

1455
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: That gets me a little bit nervous. He's a little

1456
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: bit of one Tripony edge power guy. But I think

1457
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: in this system, with all the movement these guys do

1458
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: in terms of stunts, I feel like Chop might be

1459
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: the more productive player. But again, I love I love

1460
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Marshawn Keeling, love him. And again where is he from?

1461
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: He's from Western Michigan.

1462
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 3: And I think we could take Solomon later, Troy a dog.

1463
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: A dog, and we got the whole third round to

1464
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: get received.

1465
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Say, we're set up. We're

1466
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: set up.

1467
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of glory, but we've got a lot

1468
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: of other guys, and.

1469
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 6: We still got Jared might try to another guy to

1470
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: flit it in gaps.

1471
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, I'm with you with we're betting

1472
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 5: on our coaching, betting on betting on the coaching, which

1473
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 5: which again is what you gotta do.

1474
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: So we went basically primary offense. We went, we went.

1475
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: We had an offensive draft.

1476
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think what you need.

1477
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we guys drafted on the offensive players.

1478
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 6: Know, we drafted attackle quarterback, and a tight end.

1479
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 4: So you guys had your your three picks, yeah.

1480
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 6: Yep, and three picks are We drafted Drake May with

1481
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 6: the number two pick. We drafted Uh, Tyler, I mean

1482
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 6: Tyler guy good, really good. And we drafted a tight

1483
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 6: end athlete, not Logan after leap this.

1484
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: When we drafted, honestly, I think the best thick we

1485
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: had is Guide, just because I think I think that

1486
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: that that that value.

1487
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: It has to be Drake May but Guid to live

1488
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: up to what he needs to be and Sad.

1489
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: In the middle. I hear you, But Guidan is a

1490
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: guy that can protect your your biggest asset.

1491
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Are your right And we got we got Jaydon Daniels.

1492
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: We got Graham uh not Graham Barton. Yeah, Graham Barton

1493
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: from Duke the center guard tackle. And then we got

1494
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson as the edge rusher. Explosive, that rusher, he's

1495
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: going to be, uh, pretty dynamic. We need to fill

1496
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: that deep well.

1497
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 5: We want the fans to vote for who they think

1498
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 5: are the best one. We'll put that poll on Spotify.

1499
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: So when you download this on Spotify, make sure you

1500
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 5: vote for Logan and Jack Jason

1501
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: Jack Jason