1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:08,995 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:22,915 --> 00:00:27,595 Speaker 1: It is the goddamnedest headline I have ever read. Quote 3 00:00:28,115 --> 00:00:32,755 Speaker 1: anti Semites rally around Kanye West as pressure mounts on 4 00:00:32,835 --> 00:00:36,795 Speaker 1: Adidas to drop him. This is in the Washington Post, 5 00:00:37,995 --> 00:00:41,635 Speaker 1: and this is happening while educators in Colorado take more 6 00:00:41,715 --> 00:00:46,355 Speaker 1: steps to indoctrinate kids there into believing that Hitler was 7 00:00:46,395 --> 00:00:50,315 Speaker 1: actually a socialist, and Democrats are socialists. Therefore, Democrats are 8 00:00:50,355 --> 00:00:54,035 Speaker 1: actually anti Semites, and Hitler was actually a Democrat. It 9 00:00:54,195 --> 00:00:56,435 Speaker 1: is thus time for me to review the steps you 10 00:00:56,475 --> 00:00:59,435 Speaker 1: should take the next time somebody tells you that Hitler 11 00:00:59,595 --> 00:01:02,715 Speaker 1: was a liberal, because that next time will be sooner 12 00:01:02,835 --> 00:01:08,275 Speaker 1: than you think at first. Kanye West, or what's left 13 00:01:08,315 --> 00:01:11,555 Speaker 1: of him, his agents dumped him yesterday see a A. 14 00:01:12,035 --> 00:01:15,915 Speaker 1: The studio about to present a Kanye West documentary canceled it. 15 00:01:16,235 --> 00:01:21,595 Speaker 1: Valenciaga dropped him, Vogue dropped him. Adidas the thing about 16 00:01:21,635 --> 00:01:26,515 Speaker 1: it and Adidas's life. I literally say anti semitically and 17 00:01:26,555 --> 00:01:31,355 Speaker 1: they can't drop me. I can say anti Semitic things 18 00:01:31,355 --> 00:01:36,115 Speaker 1: and Adidas can't drop me. Now what now? What? Now? 19 00:01:36,195 --> 00:01:39,955 Speaker 1: You all lose all the money you have? Adidas did nothing. 20 00:01:40,035 --> 00:01:44,515 Speaker 1: It's stock has dropped in five days, and its history 21 00:01:44,635 --> 00:01:48,395 Speaker 1: as the official outfitter to the Hitler youth program of 22 00:01:48,435 --> 00:01:51,875 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties That's literally true has come back into 23 00:01:51,915 --> 00:01:55,555 Speaker 1: the four calls have followed to boycott Adidas that have 24 00:01:55,635 --> 00:01:59,835 Speaker 1: now expanded to those companies it supplies equipment to, like 25 00:01:59,875 --> 00:02:02,995 Speaker 1: the National Hockey League, which happens to be rolling out 26 00:02:03,035 --> 00:02:06,715 Speaker 1: a new series of Adidas uniforms this week. The National 27 00:02:06,795 --> 00:02:09,555 Speaker 1: Hockey League is about to run right into the why 28 00:02:09,595 --> 00:02:12,675 Speaker 1: do you support the company that pays that anti Semite 29 00:02:12,675 --> 00:02:18,515 Speaker 1: bastard wall? In Los Angeles. The investigation continues today into Sunday. 30 00:02:18,635 --> 00:02:22,875 Speaker 1: Stunt on a freeway overpass signs hung encouraging people to 31 00:02:23,035 --> 00:02:27,275 Speaker 1: honk if they believe quote Kanye is right about the Jews. 32 00:02:27,675 --> 00:02:30,835 Speaker 1: The Fox station in l A says investigators believe the 33 00:02:30,915 --> 00:02:34,795 Speaker 1: same openly anti Semitic group which hung those banners also 34 00:02:34,915 --> 00:02:37,955 Speaker 1: through anti Semitic leaflets onto the streets of Westwood late 35 00:02:37,995 --> 00:02:42,235 Speaker 1: Saturday night. As I said here yesterday, the Republican fascist 36 00:02:42,275 --> 00:02:47,115 Speaker 1: Trumpist movement is accelerating its attempt to mainstream anti Jewish 37 00:02:47,155 --> 00:02:51,555 Speaker 1: hate speech far more quickly than many anticipated. Trump's social 38 00:02:51,595 --> 00:02:55,075 Speaker 1: media post warning US Jews have got to get their 39 00:02:55,115 --> 00:02:59,875 Speaker 1: act together was just nine days ago. The connections between 40 00:02:59,915 --> 00:03:03,435 Speaker 1: Congressman Paul goes Are and the anti Semite Nick Fuente's 41 00:03:03,475 --> 00:03:08,035 Speaker 1: are vivid and ugly. The GOP's nominee for Governor of Pennsylvania, 42 00:03:08,115 --> 00:03:12,355 Speaker 1: Dug Mastriano, was already inextricably linked to the anti Semites 43 00:03:12,475 --> 00:03:17,035 Speaker 1: of GAB when his Nitwit campaign advisor Jenna Ellis decided 44 00:03:17,035 --> 00:03:20,915 Speaker 1: to tell opponent Josh Shapiro that he wasn't really Jewish. 45 00:03:21,395 --> 00:03:25,635 Speaker 1: But now there is an even deeper and more disturbing acceleration. 46 00:03:26,195 --> 00:03:29,515 Speaker 1: A member of the state Board of Education in Colorado 47 00:03:30,195 --> 00:03:35,075 Speaker 1: is trying to alter textbooks, teachers curricula to rewrite history 48 00:03:35,195 --> 00:03:40,315 Speaker 1: to portray the German Nazis of the nineteen thirties as socialists, 49 00:03:40,395 --> 00:03:45,235 Speaker 1: while simultaneously portraying American liberals of today as socialists and 50 00:03:45,315 --> 00:03:50,395 Speaker 1: thus too loudly or just implicitly claim that American democrats 51 00:03:50,515 --> 00:03:53,715 Speaker 1: are part of the same group that unleashed the Holocaust. 52 00:03:54,835 --> 00:03:59,395 Speaker 1: This man's name is Steve Durham, and Axios and chalk 53 00:03:59,475 --> 00:04:03,795 Speaker 1: Beat report he has succeeded in removing every reference to 54 00:04:03,915 --> 00:04:08,395 Speaker 1: the Nazis from the state's academic standards and replacing those 55 00:04:08,395 --> 00:04:12,435 Speaker 1: references to Nazis with the full name National Socialist German 56 00:04:12,515 --> 00:04:16,835 Speaker 1: Workers Party people don't know and have a right to know. 57 00:04:17,155 --> 00:04:21,475 Speaker 1: Durham says that this party was and is a socialist 58 00:04:21,555 --> 00:04:24,875 Speaker 1: party that is largely lost on the American people and 59 00:04:24,995 --> 00:04:28,795 Speaker 1: on a number of history teachers as well. Unquote, in 60 00:04:28,875 --> 00:04:32,075 Speaker 1: a final twist of his fun house mirror knife into 61 00:04:32,115 --> 00:04:36,115 Speaker 1: the guts of truth, Durham also says, quote, I oppose 62 00:04:36,275 --> 00:04:40,475 Speaker 1: dumbing down the standards. Indeed, Durham is doing anything but 63 00:04:40,635 --> 00:04:44,595 Speaker 1: dumbing it down. He is rather cleverly inverting history, erasing 64 00:04:44,675 --> 00:04:48,315 Speaker 1: and replacing with something that will make somebody stupid enough 65 00:04:48,435 --> 00:04:52,075 Speaker 1: somewhere to blame all of it, from anti Semitism to 66 00:04:52,155 --> 00:04:56,235 Speaker 1: the Holocaust to Kanye West on the Democrats. I am 67 00:04:56,275 --> 00:04:58,475 Speaker 1: not going out on any kind of limb here to 68 00:04:58,515 --> 00:05:00,595 Speaker 1: suggest that in the weeks and months to come, this 69 00:05:00,635 --> 00:05:03,875 Speaker 1: will be the Republican party line about everything pertaining to 70 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:08,235 Speaker 1: Jewish people, to anti Semitism, to genocide, to socialism, to 71 00:05:08,355 --> 00:05:13,035 Speaker 1: liberalism to not voting Republican. Trump and his supporters will 72 00:05:13,115 --> 00:05:17,115 Speaker 1: sooner or later do what this amoral bastard Durham has 73 00:05:17,155 --> 00:05:22,635 Speaker 1: done At the Colorado State Board of Education. So assume 74 00:05:22,835 --> 00:05:25,555 Speaker 1: a MAGA will come up to you shortly and say 75 00:05:25,835 --> 00:05:29,715 Speaker 1: Hitler was a socialist. Here are some facts to spit 76 00:05:29,875 --> 00:05:33,915 Speaker 1: in his or her face. It is excruciating to go 77 00:05:34,035 --> 00:05:38,075 Speaker 1: through this step by step, even by somebody who studied 78 00:05:38,115 --> 00:05:43,635 Speaker 1: this history for a long time, but it will be necessary. 79 00:05:43,955 --> 00:05:47,875 Speaker 1: After World War One, when German politics shattered on the street, 80 00:05:48,355 --> 00:05:52,875 Speaker 1: a locksmith named Drexler founded a tiny political party called 81 00:05:52,875 --> 00:05:58,035 Speaker 1: the d A P, translating in English as German Workers Party. 82 00:05:58,315 --> 00:06:03,075 Speaker 1: A year later, it's handful of members changed the party 83 00:06:03,155 --> 00:06:08,955 Speaker 1: name to Nationals Socialist German Workers Party. About then Adolf 84 00:06:09,075 --> 00:06:13,155 Speaker 1: Hitler joined the party and took it over, not unlike 85 00:06:13,155 --> 00:06:16,595 Speaker 1: the way Trump subsumed the Republican Party, which is no 86 00:06:16,675 --> 00:06:20,795 Speaker 1: more Republican today than the National Socialists were Socialist. After 87 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:25,395 Speaker 1: Hitler arrived, Hitler liked the name and kept it because, 88 00:06:25,475 --> 00:06:29,115 Speaker 1: in short, it gave him cover. People would think his 89 00:06:29,235 --> 00:06:33,075 Speaker 1: National Socialists, his Nazis, were just like all the other 90 00:06:33,155 --> 00:06:36,755 Speaker 1: parties claiming to represent the oppressed and underpaid working people 91 00:06:36,835 --> 00:06:40,955 Speaker 1: of post war Germany. National Socialists was, in short, a 92 00:06:41,115 --> 00:06:46,915 Speaker 1: brand name by Hitler had forced out any lingering liberals 93 00:06:46,915 --> 00:06:49,555 Speaker 1: from the Party and the Moderates, and he had gotten 94 00:06:49,595 --> 00:06:52,955 Speaker 1: funding from major German corporations who also saw the value 95 00:06:53,115 --> 00:06:57,675 Speaker 1: of having an anti socialist, anti worker, anti freedom party 96 00:06:57,715 --> 00:07:03,675 Speaker 1: that called itself socialist. By nineteen thirty three. By encouraging 97 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:07,955 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorys and vendettas, and focusing hatred and violence against 98 00:07:08,035 --> 00:07:12,955 Speaker 1: various minority groups, especially the Jews, Hitler's party was necessary 99 00:07:12,995 --> 00:07:17,515 Speaker 1: to any kind of political coalition in fractured Germany. We 100 00:07:17,595 --> 00:07:20,635 Speaker 1: often hear people of all political stripes reminding us that 101 00:07:20,715 --> 00:07:25,555 Speaker 1: a democracy actually elected Adolf Hitler. In fact, he was 102 00:07:25,595 --> 00:07:30,635 Speaker 1: not elected at all. He was defeated twice soundly by 103 00:07:30,715 --> 00:07:37,075 Speaker 1: his most bitter opponents, the German Social Democrats. And that 104 00:07:37,235 --> 00:07:39,875 Speaker 1: is the first question to ask somebody who insists Hitler 105 00:07:39,955 --> 00:07:43,515 Speaker 1: was a socialist, Why then did the German Social Democratic 106 00:07:43,555 --> 00:07:48,155 Speaker 1: Party so fiercely oppose him. No, Hitler was not elected. 107 00:07:48,515 --> 00:07:52,035 Speaker 1: The heads of the two conservative parties, a center right 108 00:07:52,035 --> 00:07:55,635 Speaker 1: Conservative Party and a far right Conservative Party, went to 109 00:07:55,715 --> 00:07:59,435 Speaker 1: the Conservative President of Germany and told him Hitler would 110 00:07:59,435 --> 00:08:03,475 Speaker 1: be the ideal frontman of their nude conservative coalition and 111 00:08:03,555 --> 00:08:07,195 Speaker 1: they could appoint him Chancellor of Germany without any risk 112 00:08:07,315 --> 00:08:10,155 Speaker 1: that he would actually try to run things. We will 113 00:08:10,235 --> 00:08:14,955 Speaker 1: put him in the corner, said Germany's leading conservative politician. 114 00:08:16,355 --> 00:08:18,915 Speaker 1: So that's the next question. If Hitler were some kind 115 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:24,075 Speaker 1: of socialist, why did the Conservatives appoint him chancellor. Twenty 116 00:08:24,155 --> 00:08:27,515 Speaker 1: nine days after they did that, Hitler arrested four thousand 117 00:08:27,595 --> 00:08:33,715 Speaker 1: members of the Communist Party. What kind of socialist jails leftists? 118 00:08:34,955 --> 00:08:37,435 Speaker 1: Hitler then got the German Parliament to vote on a 119 00:08:37,475 --> 00:08:40,835 Speaker 1: bill to allow him to rule by decree without parliamentary 120 00:08:40,835 --> 00:08:44,355 Speaker 1: consent because of a supposed national emergency. But just before 121 00:08:44,395 --> 00:08:47,315 Speaker 1: that vote, he arrested all eighty one members of the 122 00:08:47,355 --> 00:08:51,915 Speaker 1: parliament who were in the Communist Party. What kind of 123 00:08:51,915 --> 00:08:56,795 Speaker 1: socialist arrests leftist legislators? After three months in office, he 124 00:08:56,875 --> 00:08:59,635 Speaker 1: decreed that all the labor unions be dissolved. What kind 125 00:08:59,635 --> 00:09:04,315 Speaker 1: of socialist attacks unions? After sending all the union leaders 126 00:09:04,315 --> 00:09:07,915 Speaker 1: to con centration camps, Hitler turned to his great rivals, 127 00:09:07,955 --> 00:09:12,875 Speaker 1: the social Democrats, and dissolved their party. What kind of 128 00:09:12,915 --> 00:09:20,435 Speaker 1: socialist dissolves the Democratic Party? One final painful moment from 129 00:09:20,475 --> 00:09:24,075 Speaker 1: German history of the nineteen thirties that usually silences even 130 00:09:24,115 --> 00:09:28,275 Speaker 1: the most virulent of historical revisionists on their retroactive wish 131 00:09:28,315 --> 00:09:31,755 Speaker 1: that Hitler was a socialist and socialists were democrats, so 132 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:37,955 Speaker 1: democrats are all Hitler. At the first Nazi rally at Nuremberg, 133 00:09:38,195 --> 00:09:42,915 Speaker 1: the first staged, ritualistic expression of the full madness that 134 00:09:42,955 --> 00:09:46,115 Speaker 1: would end in Auschwitz and in World War Two, the 135 00:09:46,195 --> 00:09:50,715 Speaker 1: first time Hitler tried to expand to scale in ninety three, 136 00:09:50,835 --> 00:09:54,115 Speaker 1: the first confession that Hitler had gone beyond left wing 137 00:09:54,275 --> 00:09:57,155 Speaker 1: or right wing and was moving to a horror that 138 00:09:57,235 --> 00:10:03,035 Speaker 1: transcended political orientation. At that first Nuremberg rally, his infamous 139 00:10:03,035 --> 00:10:08,795 Speaker 1: propagandist Goebbels gave a horrifying speech, and almost every word 140 00:10:08,955 --> 00:10:13,915 Speaker 1: of it disproves the idea that these fiends were socialists. 141 00:10:14,915 --> 00:10:19,915 Speaker 1: Goebbels started with quote the Versailles Treaty of non Peace, 142 00:10:20,995 --> 00:10:23,155 Speaker 1: and now you know where Trump got that habit, the 143 00:10:23,275 --> 00:10:28,115 Speaker 1: Unselect Committee, Fake News, non Infrastructure Bill, the Versailles Treaty 144 00:10:28,115 --> 00:10:33,435 Speaker 1: of Non Peace, quoting Goebbels again. It provided the stage 145 00:10:33,515 --> 00:10:37,475 Speaker 1: on which national socialism rose to power, both in theory 146 00:10:37,555 --> 00:10:43,475 Speaker 1: and practice. National socialism opposes liberalism. It is a warning 147 00:10:43,515 --> 00:10:47,715 Speaker 1: for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy 148 00:10:47,795 --> 00:10:53,555 Speaker 1: with an authoritarian system that liberalism broke under the blows 149 00:10:53,595 --> 00:10:59,835 Speaker 1: of the national uprising. Those were grim words in three. 150 00:11:00,795 --> 00:11:05,835 Speaker 1: They are grim but useful words in twenty two. And 151 00:11:05,955 --> 00:11:09,315 Speaker 1: remember them well. We will have to beat back the 152 00:11:09,395 --> 00:11:14,395 Speaker 1: fascists with them, and let me levin things just a 153 00:11:14,395 --> 00:11:16,955 Speaker 1: bit by circling back to the man we would otherwise 154 00:11:16,995 --> 00:11:21,195 Speaker 1: today be calling poor Kanye West. At six o six 155 00:11:21,235 --> 00:11:24,475 Speaker 1: pm Eastern last night, an account called day book Jobs 156 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:27,915 Speaker 1: sent out the last of its daily postings for a 157 00:11:27,955 --> 00:11:31,755 Speaker 1: wide variety of open job positions. It seems to be 158 00:11:31,835 --> 00:11:35,355 Speaker 1: some sort of automatic maybe a bot account. There does 159 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:38,315 Speaker 1: not seem to be either rhyme or reason for the 160 00:11:38,355 --> 00:11:41,475 Speaker 1: positions or kinds of positions it tweets. Some are in 161 00:11:41,795 --> 00:11:46,475 Speaker 1: workforce improvement, some are in environmental justice, and one is 162 00:11:46,515 --> 00:11:54,075 Speaker 1: in concept to consumer management. Quote. Adidas seeks a concept 163 00:11:54,115 --> 00:12:02,715 Speaker 1: to consumer manager for its line Easy Easy Adidas is 164 00:12:02,835 --> 00:12:08,035 Speaker 1: Kanye West brand. Quote to develop category seasonal yearly plans 165 00:12:08,075 --> 00:12:12,115 Speaker 1: and forecasts. I've got the Easy forecast for you right 166 00:12:12,195 --> 00:12:16,675 Speaker 1: over here. The candidate must also have a special skill 167 00:12:16,755 --> 00:12:22,035 Speaker 1: to quote support, creation and update cross category strategic business 168 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:29,715 Speaker 1: plans to enable financial success through and beyond. How about 169 00:12:29,715 --> 00:12:34,515 Speaker 1: through Thursday and beyond? And finally an especially quote, the 170 00:12:34,635 --> 00:12:43,275 Speaker 1: candidate must identify and escalate any risks. You know, you'd 171 00:12:43,315 --> 00:12:47,075 Speaker 1: think Adidas and Kanye West already had the escalate any 172 00:12:47,235 --> 00:13:05,595 Speaker 1: risks part covered damn well, still ahead on Countdown, Bravo, 173 00:13:05,755 --> 00:13:09,715 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis. If that had been me, beaten senseless at 174 00:13:09,755 --> 00:13:12,235 Speaker 1: that debate last night, I would have fled the country 175 00:13:12,235 --> 00:13:18,595 Speaker 1: by now. In sports who predicted in two thousand thirteen 176 00:13:19,395 --> 00:13:21,555 Speaker 1: that the next time the Philadelphia Phillies would be in 177 00:13:21,595 --> 00:13:25,235 Speaker 1: the World Series would be two thousand twenty two. And 178 00:13:25,315 --> 00:13:29,875 Speaker 1: in Worse Persons, do not lie to Ted Kennedy, as 179 00:13:29,915 --> 00:13:34,875 Speaker 1: Samuel Alito will find out today. Even from beyond the grave, 180 00:13:35,675 --> 00:13:48,675 Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy will get you. That's next this Discountdown. This 181 00:13:48,835 --> 00:13:56,075 Speaker 1: is Countdown. With Keith Olberman still ahead on Countdown. The 182 00:13:56,115 --> 00:14:00,475 Speaker 1: Penn State Proud Boys Comedy Festival goes about as well 183 00:14:00,515 --> 00:14:05,835 Speaker 1: as you would expect. Proud Boys Pepper sprays students, and 184 00:14:05,995 --> 00:14:10,115 Speaker 1: from beyond the Grave, Ted Kennedy can still blow up 185 00:14:10,195 --> 00:14:14,235 Speaker 1: Sam Alito. In Worse Persons, first, in each edition of Countdown, 186 00:14:14,315 --> 00:14:16,315 Speaker 1: we feature a dog in need whom you can help. 187 00:14:16,355 --> 00:14:19,675 Speaker 1: Every dog has its day. We go to Houston, where 188 00:14:19,755 --> 00:14:24,395 Speaker 1: Blue River Animal Rescue has saved Jerry. Jerry was emaciated, 189 00:14:24,395 --> 00:14:26,755 Speaker 1: he had puncture wounds, he was in agony. They pulled 190 00:14:26,795 --> 00:14:29,235 Speaker 1: him off death row. They've healed him up, only to 191 00:14:29,395 --> 00:14:33,235 Speaker 1: discover he had untreated heartworm and now he has an 192 00:14:33,355 --> 00:14:37,915 Speaker 1: enlarged heart. His prognosis is poor. It's unclear how much 193 00:14:37,955 --> 00:14:40,355 Speaker 1: time he has, but he's a sweet dog and he 194 00:14:40,435 --> 00:14:42,435 Speaker 1: deserves all the love he can get while he's here. 195 00:14:42,995 --> 00:14:45,995 Speaker 1: Having adopted a hospice puppy, I can tell you it 196 00:14:46,155 --> 00:14:49,795 Speaker 1: is heartbreaking and yet simultaneously as rewarding as anything I've 197 00:14:49,795 --> 00:14:51,955 Speaker 1: ever done. And my boy Mishu seemed to find it 198 00:14:51,955 --> 00:14:55,915 Speaker 1: worthwhile too. Donations for Jerry please via Blue River Animal 199 00:14:55,955 --> 00:14:58,355 Speaker 1: Rescue on Cuddly, or if you could be as foster. 200 00:14:58,755 --> 00:15:00,875 Speaker 1: He'll be in the pinned tweet on my account for 201 00:15:00,995 --> 00:15:05,075 Speaker 1: Dogs in Need Tom Jumbo Grumbo. Your donation, bigger or small, 202 00:15:05,115 --> 00:15:08,875 Speaker 1: will be gratefully welcomed, as will your retweet of Jerry's story. 203 00:15:09,195 --> 00:15:20,155 Speaker 1: Thank you. Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some insights, 204 00:15:20,155 --> 00:15:24,275 Speaker 1: some snark. Dateline Fort Pierce, Florida. Kind of a surprise 205 00:15:24,355 --> 00:15:28,275 Speaker 1: this morning. Ron de Santis has not resigned as governor 206 00:15:28,315 --> 00:15:32,235 Speaker 1: of Florida after his performance in a debate against Charlie 207 00:15:32,355 --> 00:15:35,595 Speaker 1: Crisp last night. De Santis is a braver man than 208 00:15:35,715 --> 00:15:41,795 Speaker 1: I am, or much much, much, much, much much dumber one. Ron. 209 00:15:41,915 --> 00:15:44,675 Speaker 1: You talk about Joe Biden a lot. I understand you 210 00:15:44,715 --> 00:15:46,955 Speaker 1: think you're gonna be running against him. I can see 211 00:15:46,955 --> 00:15:49,555 Speaker 1: how you might get confused. But you're running for governor. 212 00:15:50,155 --> 00:15:52,155 Speaker 1: You're running for governor, and I have a question for you. 213 00:15:52,555 --> 00:15:54,315 Speaker 1: You're running for governor, why don't you look in the 214 00:15:54,315 --> 00:15:56,635 Speaker 1: eyes of the people of state of Florida and say 215 00:15:56,635 --> 00:15:59,235 Speaker 1: to them, if you're re elected, you will serve a 216 00:15:59,275 --> 00:16:06,035 Speaker 1: full four year term as governor? Yes or no? Yes 217 00:16:06,155 --> 00:16:08,675 Speaker 1: or no, Ron, will you serve a full four year 218 00:16:08,795 --> 00:16:11,435 Speaker 1: term if you're re elected governor of Florida. It's not 219 00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:15,355 Speaker 1: a tough question, it's a fair question. He won't tell you. 220 00:16:16,355 --> 00:16:20,875 Speaker 1: Ron De Santis just stood there, blinking like a broken stoplight. 221 00:16:21,475 --> 00:16:23,755 Speaker 1: He did briefly say something that sounded like he was 222 00:16:23,755 --> 00:16:26,395 Speaker 1: trying to call a time out. It was not clear 223 00:16:26,435 --> 00:16:29,235 Speaker 1: if Rohn de Santis is stuffed or inflated. It was 224 00:16:29,275 --> 00:16:31,395 Speaker 1: like that all night. You try to be objective about 225 00:16:31,395 --> 00:16:33,835 Speaker 1: these things. I mean, I think Katie Hobbs has made 226 00:16:33,835 --> 00:16:36,755 Speaker 1: carry Lake the next governor of Arizona by refusing to 227 00:16:36,835 --> 00:16:39,275 Speaker 1: debate her. But in that context, and it may or 228 00:16:39,275 --> 00:16:42,755 Speaker 1: may not make any difference. In Florida, Chris could not 229 00:16:42,915 --> 00:16:45,555 Speaker 1: have cut up De Santis anymore if he had been 230 00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:50,195 Speaker 1: using an electric Turkey Carver. Dateline, New York surprisingly upbeat 231 00:16:50,195 --> 00:16:54,115 Speaker 1: polls from CNN in Pennsylvania Federman over Oz by six percent, 232 00:16:54,435 --> 00:17:00,035 Speaker 1: Shapiro over Mastriano by in Michigan, Whitmer by six, Wisconsin 233 00:17:00,155 --> 00:17:03,835 Speaker 1: Evers by two, Mandela Barnes down to Ron Johnson by one. 234 00:17:04,435 --> 00:17:06,595 Speaker 1: Day Line penn State. This is why you do not 235 00:17:06,755 --> 00:17:09,555 Speaker 1: invite the founder of the Proud Boys to give a 236 00:17:09,635 --> 00:17:14,155 Speaker 1: quote comedy show on campus number one. He's not funny 237 00:17:14,195 --> 00:17:18,155 Speaker 1: to anti Proud Boy protesters were not only nearly trampled 238 00:17:18,155 --> 00:17:21,675 Speaker 1: by cops, but a Proud Boys member either pepper sprayed 239 00:17:22,035 --> 00:17:25,675 Speaker 1: or maced the protesters. The event was canceled. Now the 240 00:17:25,675 --> 00:17:28,515 Speaker 1: Proud Boys can go around claiming they were canceled, and 241 00:17:28,595 --> 00:17:31,275 Speaker 1: of course they can go on the ten thousand conservative 242 00:17:31,275 --> 00:17:34,515 Speaker 1: media outlets and wine about being canceled. Like the little 243 00:17:34,715 --> 00:17:40,635 Speaker 1: spineless snowflake twits. They are Dateline Marilago prosecutors are debating 244 00:17:40,635 --> 00:17:45,515 Speaker 1: whether to coerce or caress two key Trump document kleptomania cases. 245 00:17:45,795 --> 00:17:49,595 Speaker 1: The New York Times reports the boxman Walt Nauta apparently 246 00:17:49,675 --> 00:17:53,595 Speaker 1: gave two different answers in two different FBI interviews to 247 00:17:53,635 --> 00:17:56,955 Speaker 1: the question did Trump order you to move those boxes 248 00:17:56,955 --> 00:18:00,315 Speaker 1: of classified documents? And they want cash for tell to 249 00:18:00,355 --> 00:18:03,675 Speaker 1: give them some kind of an answer that isn't invoking 250 00:18:03,675 --> 00:18:06,995 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment And have approached quote a top federal 251 00:18:07,115 --> 00:18:11,155 Speaker 1: judge in Washington to force Mr Patel to testify. They 252 00:18:11,195 --> 00:18:14,875 Speaker 1: could either charge Patel and or no wata, or grant 253 00:18:14,915 --> 00:18:18,795 Speaker 1: them immunity. Dateline. The Supreme Court knew high and low 254 00:18:18,835 --> 00:18:22,675 Speaker 1: from Clarence Thomas. He temporarily has stayed a lower court 255 00:18:22,795 --> 00:18:25,715 Speaker 1: order that Lindsey Graham must testify to the Georgia Grand 256 00:18:25,755 --> 00:18:29,155 Speaker 1: Jury investigating his communications to the Secretary of State in 257 00:18:29,155 --> 00:18:33,075 Speaker 1: an attempt to overturn election results. There problem, of course, 258 00:18:33,075 --> 00:18:35,635 Speaker 1: he is his wife, Jenny Thomas, made at least a 259 00:18:35,635 --> 00:18:39,955 Speaker 1: dozen communications trying to overturn election results. It is a 260 00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:43,955 Speaker 1: total conflict of interest. Even if you're Clarence Thomas, even 261 00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:47,955 Speaker 1: if you are a member of the Supreme Republican religious Court. 262 00:19:00,715 --> 00:19:07,235 Speaker 1: This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This 263 00:19:07,995 --> 00:19:14,355 Speaker 1: is countdown with Keith in sports. The World Series starts 264 00:19:15,715 --> 00:19:19,835 Speaker 1: next month or in February or something nice handy four 265 00:19:19,955 --> 00:19:23,315 Speaker 1: day break so both teams and the weather and the 266 00:19:23,395 --> 00:19:27,275 Speaker 1: fans can get cold. They resume Friday in Houston. The 267 00:19:27,275 --> 00:19:30,235 Speaker 1: big question will the Astros go undefeated in the postseason 268 00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:33,555 Speaker 1: and will New Balance and indeed keep running those ads 269 00:19:33,795 --> 00:19:37,435 Speaker 1: starring Francisco Lindoor of the Mets, whose last game, as 270 00:19:37,435 --> 00:19:39,075 Speaker 1: of Game one of the World Series will have been 271 00:19:39,195 --> 00:19:43,195 Speaker 1: nineteen days earlier. One last note from the American League 272 00:19:43,275 --> 00:19:46,635 Speaker 1: Championship Series. I have been estranged from the Yankees and 273 00:19:46,755 --> 00:19:49,835 Speaker 1: their fans for ten years now, but they sure came 274 00:19:49,915 --> 00:19:53,155 Speaker 1: up big when they spotted Ted Cruz in the stands 275 00:19:53,235 --> 00:20:12,675 Speaker 1: in the Bronx Sunday night. Here is the clean part. 276 00:20:19,475 --> 00:20:23,275 Speaker 1: I mean they worked in Trump January six, cruises, wife 277 00:20:23,355 --> 00:20:28,075 Speaker 1: and Cancoon Bravo Bronx. An old new manager in baseball, 278 00:20:28,115 --> 00:20:30,955 Speaker 1: Bruce Bochy, winner of three World Series with the Giants, 279 00:20:31,155 --> 00:20:34,115 Speaker 1: loser of one with the Padres, formerly introduced as the 280 00:20:34,115 --> 00:20:37,555 Speaker 1: new manager of the Texas Rangers. Boch news always flashes 281 00:20:37,595 --> 00:20:41,475 Speaker 1: me back to July eight, when as a nineteen year 282 00:20:41,515 --> 00:20:44,555 Speaker 1: old kid, I went to photograph the Houston Astros at 283 00:20:44,595 --> 00:20:46,835 Speaker 1: Chase Stadium in New York, and there was this new 284 00:20:46,915 --> 00:20:50,115 Speaker 1: Astros catcher there with a giant batting helmet like a 285 00:20:50,115 --> 00:20:52,915 Speaker 1: size eight and a half who I recognized for minor 286 00:20:52,995 --> 00:20:56,475 Speaker 1: league baseball cards. He was on and I helped to produce, 287 00:20:56,995 --> 00:20:59,875 Speaker 1: and he had a head bigger than mine. I asked 288 00:20:59,955 --> 00:21:03,035 Speaker 1: him about it. His name was Bruce Bochy. I was 289 00:21:03,075 --> 00:21:05,395 Speaker 1: there on his first day in the big league. Did 290 00:21:05,435 --> 00:21:08,635 Speaker 1: his portrait too. Lastly, this was sent to me yesterday 291 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:11,835 Speaker 1: by a Phillies fan, alex Evan Meyer, in fact, who 292 00:21:11,875 --> 00:21:14,635 Speaker 1: designed the logo for this podcast. By the way, it 293 00:21:14,755 --> 00:21:20,475 Speaker 1: is a retweet dated December thirteen at Travo's p A 294 00:21:21,115 --> 00:21:24,155 Speaker 1: has written to me, quote, come to a Phillies game 295 00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:28,475 Speaker 1: this year, they'll win another World Series. I have artied him, 296 00:21:28,515 --> 00:21:31,995 Speaker 1: but I have added quote, I'll go this year, but 297 00:21:32,075 --> 00:21:37,715 Speaker 1: the next World Series is circa two. I correctly predicted 298 00:21:37,755 --> 00:21:41,235 Speaker 1: the Phillies next World Series appearance nearly nine years before 299 00:21:41,235 --> 00:21:46,755 Speaker 1: it happened, profit, without honor, and without any memory of 300 00:21:46,875 --> 00:21:57,035 Speaker 1: having made that prediction. Coming up twenty three years ago. Today, 301 00:21:57,075 --> 00:22:00,315 Speaker 1: I paid two thousand dollars in cash plus a World 302 00:22:00,395 --> 00:22:04,875 Speaker 1: Series ticket for exclusive video of Roger Clemens coming this 303 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:09,075 Speaker 1: close to a fist fight with a Yankee fan during 304 00:22:09,115 --> 00:22:12,315 Speaker 1: the off day of the nine World Series. And then 305 00:22:12,355 --> 00:22:15,435 Speaker 1: I made the decision not to run the video and 306 00:22:15,475 --> 00:22:19,235 Speaker 1: they pretty much fired me for it. First the daily 307 00:22:19,315 --> 00:22:22,315 Speaker 1: roundup of the miscreants, morons, and Donning Kruger effects specimens 308 00:22:22,315 --> 00:22:26,915 Speaker 1: who constitute today's worst persons in the world. The Bronze. Hey, 309 00:22:26,915 --> 00:22:30,395 Speaker 1: you remember that right wing troll Jacob Wool, the really 310 00:22:30,435 --> 00:22:33,955 Speaker 1: bad right wing troll. He has pleaded guilty to fifth 311 00:22:33,955 --> 00:22:38,475 Speaker 1: degree felony telecommunications fraud for having made robo calls before 312 00:22:38,475 --> 00:22:43,435 Speaker 1: the elections in Cleveland, accusing Robert Muller and others of criminality. 313 00:22:43,835 --> 00:22:47,075 Speaker 1: Wool and his stooge Jack Berkman will now pay fines 314 00:22:47,115 --> 00:22:51,115 Speaker 1: of twenty and will be sentenced next month to up 315 00:22:51,115 --> 00:22:55,155 Speaker 1: to a year in jail. Runners up Soccer's World Cup 316 00:22:55,235 --> 00:22:57,875 Speaker 1: looming and Qatar. You'd have to say it may or 317 00:22:57,915 --> 00:23:01,395 Speaker 1: may not happen. At this point. The players are protesting 318 00:23:01,475 --> 00:23:06,955 Speaker 1: because well guitar pretty much has slave very. As qualifying began, 319 00:23:07,075 --> 00:23:10,955 Speaker 1: the Norwegian team players wore shirts reading human rights on 320 00:23:11,035 --> 00:23:15,195 Speaker 1: and off the pitch, Dutch players wore football supports change 321 00:23:15,395 --> 00:23:19,115 Speaker 1: the German team's shirts combined to spell out human rights. 322 00:23:19,635 --> 00:23:22,835 Speaker 1: Top teams in Norway have formally called to boycott the 323 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,675 Speaker 1: Cup in Qatar. And of course the World Cup is 324 00:23:25,715 --> 00:23:30,395 Speaker 1: being pimped here in the United States by Fox. But 325 00:23:30,475 --> 00:23:35,155 Speaker 1: our winner Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito. Today a new 326 00:23:35,235 --> 00:23:38,755 Speaker 1: book comes out. It's called Ted Kennedy a Life. It 327 00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:42,595 Speaker 1: quotes from the late Senator's diary. When Alito was nominated 328 00:23:42,635 --> 00:23:45,755 Speaker 1: to the Court by George W. Bush. Senator Kennedy met 329 00:23:45,795 --> 00:23:49,515 Speaker 1: with Alito. It happened on November two thousand five. The 330 00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:53,595 Speaker 1: Senator pressed him about it and pressed about Roe v. Wade. 331 00:23:54,315 --> 00:23:58,115 Speaker 1: I am a believer in precedence, Kennedy, quotes Alito. People 332 00:23:58,155 --> 00:24:01,395 Speaker 1: would find I adhere to that. I recognize there is 333 00:24:01,435 --> 00:24:05,155 Speaker 1: a right to privacy. I think it's settled. Kennedy had 334 00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:06,875 Speaker 1: an ace up his sleeve. He had a copy of 335 00:24:06,875 --> 00:24:09,795 Speaker 1: a memo Aldo had written twenty years earlier when he 336 00:24:09,875 --> 00:24:12,755 Speaker 1: was a flunkey in the Reagan administration, as opposed to 337 00:24:12,795 --> 00:24:16,035 Speaker 1: being a flunkey now. Aldo, in the memo boasted of 338 00:24:16,115 --> 00:24:19,715 Speaker 1: his opposition to Roe v. Wade, Kennedy's diary says Aldo 339 00:24:19,795 --> 00:24:21,515 Speaker 1: told him not to pay too much attention to the 340 00:24:21,555 --> 00:24:24,755 Speaker 1: memo quote. He had been seeking a promotion and wrote 341 00:24:24,795 --> 00:24:27,595 Speaker 1: what he thought his bosses wanted to hear. I was 342 00:24:27,635 --> 00:24:31,035 Speaker 1: a younger person. I've matured a lot, Alito said, yeah, 343 00:24:31,035 --> 00:24:35,515 Speaker 1: immatured into a more convincing, goddamn liar. Whenever Senator Ted 344 00:24:35,595 --> 00:24:37,955 Speaker 1: Kennedy has mentioned I always flashed back to the day 345 00:24:38,035 --> 00:24:40,955 Speaker 1: before the Obama inauguration, when I met two of his 346 00:24:41,075 --> 00:24:45,915 Speaker 1: sons at a lunch organized by MSNBC. They said their 347 00:24:45,915 --> 00:24:48,875 Speaker 1: father had hoped to attend the lunch to say hello 348 00:24:48,915 --> 00:24:51,595 Speaker 1: to me, but he was reserving his waning strength for 349 00:24:51,675 --> 00:24:55,075 Speaker 1: the inauguration itself. Now that he's in the house all 350 00:24:55,075 --> 00:24:57,355 Speaker 1: the time, he watches a lot of TV. One of 351 00:24:57,395 --> 00:24:59,995 Speaker 1: his sons told me, the good news is he wants 352 00:25:00,035 --> 00:25:03,995 Speaker 1: you to know you are his go to newscaster. The 353 00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:07,595 Speaker 1: other one often said, but the bad news is that 354 00:25:07,675 --> 00:25:11,035 Speaker 1: means he also wanted us to tell you, don't eff 355 00:25:11,115 --> 00:25:16,195 Speaker 1: it up. Sam Alito aft it up. He lied. Kennedy 356 00:25:16,235 --> 00:25:19,435 Speaker 1: saw through him, voted against him because Alito is a liar, 357 00:25:19,595 --> 00:25:22,435 Speaker 1: who lies, who has no place on the Supreme Court, 358 00:25:22,515 --> 00:25:26,915 Speaker 1: who has no place on the People's Court Justice Sam whatever, 359 00:25:27,555 --> 00:25:30,195 Speaker 1: I'll just lie about it later and blame somebody else. 360 00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:48,875 Speaker 1: Aledo Today's worst person in the world. Now to the 361 00:25:48,955 --> 00:25:51,675 Speaker 1: number one story on the Countdown and my favorite subject, 362 00:25:51,715 --> 00:25:53,875 Speaker 1: me and things I promised not to tell, And this 363 00:25:53,915 --> 00:25:57,115 Speaker 1: one literally fits that title. I not only promised not 364 00:25:57,195 --> 00:26:00,435 Speaker 1: to tell this, I lost a job because I wouldn't 365 00:26:00,555 --> 00:26:03,995 Speaker 1: tell it. I am proud of my journalistic ethics, and 366 00:26:04,075 --> 00:26:08,915 Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of times I boast too much about them, 367 00:26:08,955 --> 00:26:12,075 Speaker 1: but I invoked them once twenty three years ago to 368 00:26:12,315 --> 00:26:17,115 Speaker 1: day on October. And if I had not, and if 369 00:26:17,155 --> 00:26:21,595 Speaker 1: I had wanted to do any job anywhere for twenty 370 00:26:21,595 --> 00:26:25,275 Speaker 1: three years, I would still be hosting the Fox Baseball 371 00:26:25,315 --> 00:26:28,115 Speaker 1: Game of the Week and the upcoming World Series on Fox. 372 00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:31,995 Speaker 1: But I couldn't because there are facts and then there 373 00:26:32,075 --> 00:26:35,795 Speaker 1: is truth, and often they are different things. I'm covering 374 00:26:35,835 --> 00:26:39,195 Speaker 1: the World Series for Fox's first attempt to compete with 375 00:26:39,235 --> 00:26:42,555 Speaker 1: the ESPN. I'm also the Fox Baseball host and I'm 376 00:26:42,595 --> 00:26:46,395 Speaker 1: the senior correspondent of Fox Sports News, so we are 377 00:26:46,435 --> 00:26:49,395 Speaker 1: going live from the field after each World Series game 378 00:26:49,515 --> 00:26:53,555 Speaker 1: for like two hours. The Yankees froze the Braves in 379 00:26:53,595 --> 00:26:55,835 Speaker 1: the first two games of that World Series in Atlanta, 380 00:26:55,915 --> 00:26:58,435 Speaker 1: and then on the off day, the travel day, Monday morning, 381 00:26:58,755 --> 00:27:02,995 Speaker 1: the producers and crew flew out before sunrise to set 382 00:27:03,035 --> 00:27:05,515 Speaker 1: up at Yankee Stadium, and the most of us lazy 383 00:27:05,595 --> 00:27:10,075 Speaker 1: quote talent unquote, we flew out at mid day. As 384 00:27:10,115 --> 00:27:11,915 Speaker 1: we landed in New York, I got a call from 385 00:27:11,915 --> 00:27:14,595 Speaker 1: the lead producer who said, don't go to the hotel. First, 386 00:27:15,035 --> 00:27:17,795 Speaker 1: come right to the ballpark. Something amazing has just happened 387 00:27:17,915 --> 00:27:20,675 Speaker 1: and I need you to decide to do whatever we're 388 00:27:20,675 --> 00:27:24,115 Speaker 1: gonna do about it. So I go, and as the 389 00:27:24,155 --> 00:27:26,955 Speaker 1: October sun is beginning to set over Yankee Stadium, I 390 00:27:27,035 --> 00:27:30,275 Speaker 1: get this story. As the Yankee players have left the 391 00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:32,635 Speaker 1: workout to go home and get a good night's sleep. 392 00:27:33,275 --> 00:27:36,915 Speaker 1: Maybe before Game three the next day, Roger Clemens of 393 00:27:36,915 --> 00:27:39,515 Speaker 1: the Yankees has gotten into an argument with a fan. 394 00:27:40,395 --> 00:27:44,515 Speaker 1: With a Yankees fan at the old Yankee Stadium, players 395 00:27:44,515 --> 00:27:47,355 Speaker 1: had to walk a very short gauntlet, maybe a hundred 396 00:27:47,395 --> 00:27:50,555 Speaker 1: feet from the ballpark exit to the players parking lot. 397 00:27:51,035 --> 00:27:54,275 Speaker 1: In retrospect, this seems kind of crazy, but fans could 398 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:57,995 Speaker 1: wait behind police barricades and yell and cheer and seek 399 00:27:58,035 --> 00:28:03,315 Speaker 1: autographs and start arguments, and as Roger Clemens steps out 400 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,675 Speaker 1: of the stadium golf viser, it'sp his head, his thoughts 401 00:28:05,675 --> 00:28:08,275 Speaker 1: turning to his first World Series appearance in thirteen years, 402 00:28:08,475 --> 00:28:10,835 Speaker 1: his start in Game four, which could very well be 403 00:28:10,875 --> 00:28:12,715 Speaker 1: the game in which the Yankees would sweep the Braves 404 00:28:12,715 --> 00:28:15,155 Speaker 1: and win the World Series, the climax of a long 405 00:28:15,195 --> 00:28:17,835 Speaker 1: odyssey that has just brought him to New York that season. 406 00:28:18,275 --> 00:28:21,755 Speaker 1: A fan starts screaming at him that he has no 407 00:28:21,915 --> 00:28:24,515 Speaker 1: right to be there. If you wanted to come here, 408 00:28:24,555 --> 00:28:26,195 Speaker 1: you could have come here in ninety six, but you 409 00:28:26,195 --> 00:28:28,875 Speaker 1: didn't want to be here. For all I know, this 410 00:28:28,955 --> 00:28:30,435 Speaker 1: is one of the guys who was yelling at Ted 411 00:28:30,475 --> 00:28:34,555 Speaker 1: Cruz Sunday night at Yankee Stadium. Anyway, Roger Clemmens is 412 00:28:34,595 --> 00:28:38,315 Speaker 1: not Ted Cruz. He's six ft four, two hundred and five. 413 00:28:38,515 --> 00:28:41,075 Speaker 1: Then he had a hair trigger temper, and, as we 414 00:28:41,115 --> 00:28:44,275 Speaker 1: suspected then and heard later, was reportedly hopped up on 415 00:28:44,355 --> 00:28:48,875 Speaker 1: steroids and amphetamines at least on game days. Amazingly, the 416 00:28:48,875 --> 00:28:51,715 Speaker 1: fan was bigger than he was, much bigger, and the 417 00:28:51,755 --> 00:28:56,155 Speaker 1: fan clearly started it. Clemens jousted with him verbally, but 418 00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:58,675 Speaker 1: backed away. He then walked away and got into his 419 00:28:58,715 --> 00:29:00,595 Speaker 1: waiting car, and he was about to be driven off 420 00:29:00,635 --> 00:29:05,955 Speaker 1: when the fans said something about Roger Clemens's kids. Well, 421 00:29:06,195 --> 00:29:08,795 Speaker 1: Clemens got back out of the car. The fans somehow 422 00:29:08,795 --> 00:29:11,635 Speaker 1: got around the police barricades, and immediately the two of 423 00:29:11,635 --> 00:29:14,955 Speaker 1: them were face to face, their noses almost touching, four 424 00:29:14,995 --> 00:29:18,595 Speaker 1: fingers jabbing at each other's chests and faces. They were 425 00:29:18,635 --> 00:29:22,715 Speaker 1: a split second away from a brawl. Another smaller fan 426 00:29:22,795 --> 00:29:25,835 Speaker 1: tried to interrupt Clemens by repeating, it's not worth it, Roger, 427 00:29:25,875 --> 00:29:28,715 Speaker 1: It's not worth it. And finally somebody grabbed the six 428 00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:32,795 Speaker 1: ft seven fan and Clemmens beat red, backed away again, 429 00:29:33,755 --> 00:29:37,475 Speaker 1: shouted a few epithets, and it was over. It was 430 00:29:37,515 --> 00:29:40,715 Speaker 1: a story, It was dramatic, and it was made for 431 00:29:40,795 --> 00:29:43,555 Speaker 1: New York's tabloid newspapers, and it was in the middle 432 00:29:43,595 --> 00:29:47,235 Speaker 1: of the World Series, and there were no reporters present, 433 00:29:47,515 --> 00:29:52,275 Speaker 1: but it was on videotape. Yet another fan had one 434 00:29:52,315 --> 00:29:57,675 Speaker 1: of those early handheld digital camcorders and he was just 435 00:29:57,795 --> 00:30:01,435 Speaker 1: recording the players leaving the ballpark, and he recorded this, 436 00:30:02,035 --> 00:30:07,435 Speaker 1: and the fan wanted to sell somebody the tape. The 437 00:30:07,475 --> 00:30:09,635 Speaker 1: guy showed our producer of the video, and our producer 438 00:30:09,715 --> 00:30:12,195 Speaker 1: verified it showed the near fight. The fan wanted two 439 00:30:12,275 --> 00:30:15,235 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in cash, plus a ticket to Game five 440 00:30:15,315 --> 00:30:18,355 Speaker 1: of the series. I was the only person from Fox 441 00:30:18,355 --> 00:30:21,035 Speaker 1: there who had any game tickets, and the guy was 442 00:30:21,075 --> 00:30:24,515 Speaker 1: adamant no ticket. He would wait until the sportscasters from 443 00:30:24,555 --> 00:30:27,035 Speaker 1: the local station set up for their live shots later 444 00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:29,475 Speaker 1: that day. He would offer the tape to each of them. 445 00:30:29,755 --> 00:30:32,195 Speaker 1: Oh and he also wanted the tape back after we 446 00:30:32,195 --> 00:30:35,435 Speaker 1: were done with it. So I did not wait. I said, yes, 447 00:30:35,995 --> 00:30:39,555 Speaker 1: let me round up two grand in cash in the Bronx, 448 00:30:40,035 --> 00:30:43,275 Speaker 1: in the street, outside the empty Yankee Stadium, in the dark. 449 00:30:43,995 --> 00:30:46,355 Speaker 1: Give me the tape. I'll give you the money. Tomorrow 450 00:30:46,355 --> 00:30:47,995 Speaker 1: we'll meet here at four pm, and I'll give you 451 00:30:48,035 --> 00:30:51,635 Speaker 1: the tape back and a ticket to Game five. So 452 00:30:51,675 --> 00:30:53,715 Speaker 1: now we have to get him the cash. Now, I 453 00:30:53,755 --> 00:30:57,515 Speaker 1: grew up in that Yankee Stadium, and before then, I 454 00:30:57,555 --> 00:30:59,675 Speaker 1: grew up in the Bronx. I know where everything is. 455 00:31:00,315 --> 00:31:02,715 Speaker 1: So I go to the hidden a t M behind 456 00:31:02,755 --> 00:31:06,275 Speaker 1: home plate and I withdraw the maximum. That machine will 457 00:31:06,275 --> 00:31:10,275 Speaker 1: give me two dollars. We're still a little short. I 458 00:31:10,315 --> 00:31:13,675 Speaker 1: now go to every reporter and every producer Fox has 459 00:31:13,795 --> 00:31:16,955 Speaker 1: at this world series until I find nine of them 460 00:31:16,995 --> 00:31:19,435 Speaker 1: willing to do just what I did. I write them 461 00:31:19,555 --> 00:31:22,155 Speaker 1: checks made out to cash for two bucks each, and 462 00:31:22,235 --> 00:31:26,195 Speaker 1: now I've got two thousand dollars in twenties in the 463 00:31:26,275 --> 00:31:29,715 Speaker 1: runks in the street outside empty Yankee Stadium in the dark. 464 00:31:30,715 --> 00:31:32,755 Speaker 1: It occurs to me, as I'm giving the guy the 465 00:31:32,795 --> 00:31:37,395 Speaker 1: money that legally I have bought the tape, not Fox me. 466 00:31:38,035 --> 00:31:41,635 Speaker 1: It's my money. Most importantly, it's my ticket. No deal 467 00:31:41,715 --> 00:31:44,995 Speaker 1: without the ticket. So now that it's not being sold 468 00:31:45,035 --> 00:31:47,675 Speaker 1: to anybody else, just me, the producer says, by the way, 469 00:31:47,675 --> 00:31:49,475 Speaker 1: when the guy showed me the tape, it does not 470 00:31:49,635 --> 00:31:53,515 Speaker 1: start at the beginning of the fight. And I say oh, 471 00:31:53,635 --> 00:31:56,315 Speaker 1: and he says yeah, And I say, we got to 472 00:31:56,395 --> 00:31:58,315 Speaker 1: look at this before we feed it to headquarters in 473 00:31:58,435 --> 00:32:01,195 Speaker 1: l A. Because the moment they get this tape, they're 474 00:32:01,195 --> 00:32:05,235 Speaker 1: going to run it non stop tonight and NonStop tomorrow 475 00:32:05,515 --> 00:32:10,235 Speaker 1: and NonStop Wednesday. Plus we are Fox, we own the 476 00:32:10,275 --> 00:32:13,715 Speaker 1: New York Post. They will put color stills from this 477 00:32:13,835 --> 00:32:16,435 Speaker 1: video tape on the front page and the back page 478 00:32:16,475 --> 00:32:21,835 Speaker 1: and a nice colorful middle spread. This is when my 479 00:32:21,995 --> 00:32:25,755 Speaker 1: phone rings, and it is my immediate boss. His name 480 00:32:25,835 --> 00:32:29,875 Speaker 1: is Terrenzio, and Ternsio never wanted to hire me, and 481 00:32:29,915 --> 00:32:31,475 Speaker 1: I never wanted to work for him. And oh, by 482 00:32:31,475 --> 00:32:33,355 Speaker 1: the way, he has not had a job in television 483 00:32:33,355 --> 00:32:36,235 Speaker 1: that I've been able to find out about since. And 484 00:32:36,275 --> 00:32:38,275 Speaker 1: he's heard that I have this tape and he sees 485 00:32:38,355 --> 00:32:41,275 Speaker 1: it as his ticket to success within Fox and he's 486 00:32:41,315 --> 00:32:43,275 Speaker 1: telling me about his plans to get it on Fox 487 00:32:43,315 --> 00:32:46,355 Speaker 1: News and in the Post and worldwide through Rupert Murdoch. 488 00:32:46,395 --> 00:32:49,035 Speaker 1: And I say, we don't even know what's on this 489 00:32:49,155 --> 00:32:51,755 Speaker 1: tape yet, and our truck doesn't have anything to play 490 00:32:51,755 --> 00:32:53,715 Speaker 1: it on, so we're gonna have to go to an 491 00:32:53,715 --> 00:32:57,955 Speaker 1: electronics store and buy a camcorder and figure this out. 492 00:32:58,955 --> 00:33:03,715 Speaker 1: And this Trensio interrupts me and starts swearing at me. Now, 493 00:33:03,755 --> 00:33:06,195 Speaker 1: despite what is off and written, I am not the 494 00:33:06,275 --> 00:33:09,675 Speaker 1: caricature of the angry employee that my reputation might suggest 495 00:33:09,715 --> 00:33:13,555 Speaker 1: to you. But if you swear at me, I'm not 496 00:33:13,635 --> 00:33:16,075 Speaker 1: going to get more reasonable, am I? I Am going 497 00:33:16,115 --> 00:33:19,115 Speaker 1: to get less reasonable. So it is at this point 498 00:33:19,115 --> 00:33:21,795 Speaker 1: than I tell Trenzio that the owner of the tape 499 00:33:21,915 --> 00:33:25,675 Speaker 1: is me, and I'm going to make these decisions, not him, 500 00:33:25,675 --> 00:33:27,635 Speaker 1: and that I'm going to hang up now so I 501 00:33:27,675 --> 00:33:32,675 Speaker 1: can go look at the tape. First, my producer and 502 00:33:32,715 --> 00:33:35,315 Speaker 1: I go to one of the seven hundred electronics stores 503 00:33:35,395 --> 00:33:37,595 Speaker 1: along Seventh Avenue in Midtown, the ones that have been 504 00:33:37,595 --> 00:33:40,195 Speaker 1: holding going out of business sales continuously since the year 505 00:33:41,715 --> 00:33:44,395 Speaker 1: I am not exaggerating every week or so. I passed 506 00:33:44,395 --> 00:33:47,995 Speaker 1: the exact store where we bought that digital camcorder in 507 00:33:48,035 --> 00:33:50,435 Speaker 1: the story is still there. The store is going out 508 00:33:50,475 --> 00:33:53,915 Speaker 1: of business sale is also still there. We sit down 509 00:33:53,915 --> 00:33:56,595 Speaker 1: at a nice restaurant, order a nice meal, and we 510 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:59,595 Speaker 1: look at the tape, and the video is amazingly well shot. 511 00:33:59,715 --> 00:34:03,835 Speaker 1: But there is that one fatal problem. Our amateur videographer 512 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:07,635 Speaker 1: didn't miss the start of the confrontation between Clemens and 513 00:34:07,675 --> 00:34:12,075 Speaker 1: the fan. He has hit record only as Clemens is 514 00:34:12,115 --> 00:34:15,275 Speaker 1: getting back out of his car. You do not see 515 00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:18,755 Speaker 1: the fans starting it, yelling at him. You do not 516 00:34:18,915 --> 00:34:21,675 Speaker 1: see the fan threatening Clemmons. You do not see the 517 00:34:21,675 --> 00:34:25,795 Speaker 1: fans swearing at Clemens's kids. What you see, beautifully framed 518 00:34:25,835 --> 00:34:28,395 Speaker 1: by the way against the setting sun of a late 519 00:34:28,475 --> 00:34:32,875 Speaker 1: October evening, is Roger Clemens just getting out of a car, 520 00:34:33,355 --> 00:34:36,675 Speaker 1: without any visible provocation, going over and shoving his finger 521 00:34:36,715 --> 00:34:39,075 Speaker 1: in the face of some random Yankee fan and a 522 00:34:39,155 --> 00:34:44,155 Speaker 1: Yankees hat. Now there are at least forty moments in 523 00:34:44,155 --> 00:34:47,315 Speaker 1: this video that could be turned into beautiful color photographs 524 00:34:47,315 --> 00:34:50,475 Speaker 1: for the New York Post. And everything Clemens says to 525 00:34:50,515 --> 00:34:53,195 Speaker 1: the fan is clearly audible, and so too is everything 526 00:34:53,195 --> 00:34:57,075 Speaker 1: the fan says back. But anybody seeing that video, no 527 00:34:57,115 --> 00:34:59,635 Speaker 1: matter how much preamble we could possibly give it, no 528 00:34:59,635 --> 00:35:03,675 Speaker 1: matter how carefully we reconstructed how the fans started it, 529 00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:07,555 Speaker 1: how he escalated it, how Clemens backed away, how the 530 00:35:07,635 --> 00:35:11,115 Speaker 1: fan ReLit the fuse, how this was not Roger Clemens's fault, 531 00:35:11,115 --> 00:35:13,115 Speaker 1: no matter how well we did that, if you saw 532 00:35:13,155 --> 00:35:15,475 Speaker 1: this video, you would say, well, no, that that that's 533 00:35:15,595 --> 00:35:21,715 Speaker 1: Roger clemens fault. It's human nature. With great disappointment, I 534 00:35:21,715 --> 00:35:25,755 Speaker 1: said to my producer, damn it, journalistically, we can't run this. 535 00:35:26,315 --> 00:35:29,955 Speaker 1: We're hanging Clemens if we run this. This is like 536 00:35:29,995 --> 00:35:32,195 Speaker 1: the only time in his life it hasn't been his fault. 537 00:35:32,635 --> 00:35:35,915 Speaker 1: But this is not his fault. My producer let out 538 00:35:35,915 --> 00:35:38,955 Speaker 1: a long sigh, and God, you said that. I want 539 00:35:38,995 --> 00:35:40,795 Speaker 1: to run it more than anything else in the world, 540 00:35:40,835 --> 00:35:43,915 Speaker 1: but we can't. And I said, there are facts, and 541 00:35:43,915 --> 00:35:45,995 Speaker 1: then there is the truth. What we have on this 542 00:35:46,035 --> 00:35:50,115 Speaker 1: tape is facts. What we do not have his truth. Unfortunately, 543 00:35:52,195 --> 00:35:55,795 Speaker 1: my phone rang now it was my boss's boss, Terenzio's boss. 544 00:35:55,875 --> 00:35:57,955 Speaker 1: His name was Arthur Smith. He was a Canadian. He 545 00:35:58,035 --> 00:36:00,835 Speaker 1: called people things like shmendrick and schmoo. I liked him 546 00:36:00,835 --> 00:36:05,155 Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, Bobby, he says, what's going on explained 547 00:36:05,195 --> 00:36:07,075 Speaker 1: to him, and he quickly said, you're right, but your 548 00:36:07,075 --> 00:36:08,955 Speaker 1: boss wants me to get that tape from you, or 549 00:36:09,035 --> 00:36:11,995 Speaker 1: fire you or something. He's screaming about how we're gonna 550 00:36:11,995 --> 00:36:14,395 Speaker 1: get scooped on this story when we have the only video. 551 00:36:14,595 --> 00:36:16,835 Speaker 1: Give me a way out of this, Bobby. So I 552 00:36:16,875 --> 00:36:18,915 Speaker 1: gave him a way out. I said, Look, I'll go 553 00:36:18,955 --> 00:36:21,035 Speaker 1: to my folks house in the suburbs tomorrow. I'll make 554 00:36:21,035 --> 00:36:23,155 Speaker 1: a couple of copies of this video and I will 555 00:36:23,235 --> 00:36:27,355 Speaker 1: erase the original tape. Then I'll go to Yankee Stadium. 556 00:36:27,595 --> 00:36:29,555 Speaker 1: I'll have a copy of this video in my pocket, 557 00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:32,875 Speaker 1: and if there is a hint, hint that anybody else 558 00:36:32,915 --> 00:36:35,435 Speaker 1: has this story, I will go right to the truck 559 00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:38,235 Speaker 1: and feed you the whole tape immediately, and I won't 560 00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:40,835 Speaker 1: even charge you the two thousand dollars I spent to 561 00:36:40,835 --> 00:36:45,555 Speaker 1: get it, and he says, I like this, that's a 562 00:36:45,595 --> 00:36:47,555 Speaker 1: good way out, But how are you gonna know if 563 00:36:47,555 --> 00:36:49,675 Speaker 1: anybody else is onto the story? And I told him, look, 564 00:36:49,715 --> 00:36:52,195 Speaker 1: the Yankees won't want this story to get out, and 565 00:36:52,235 --> 00:36:55,235 Speaker 1: I will use this fact against them. I will use 566 00:36:55,275 --> 00:36:57,155 Speaker 1: this fact to get them to tell me if anybody 567 00:36:57,155 --> 00:36:59,275 Speaker 1: has asked them about the story. I mean, the public 568 00:36:59,275 --> 00:37:01,955 Speaker 1: relations director is a childhood friend of mine. We will 569 00:37:01,995 --> 00:37:05,395 Speaker 1: work together on this because we have facts, but we 570 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:08,315 Speaker 1: do not have truth. And he says, stop saying that, 571 00:37:08,355 --> 00:37:12,035 Speaker 1: you sound like a Schmendrick. So the next morning I 572 00:37:12,075 --> 00:37:14,875 Speaker 1: go to the Folks, I use my father's collection videotape machines, 573 00:37:14,875 --> 00:37:16,795 Speaker 1: and I make three copies, one for me to carry, 574 00:37:16,915 --> 00:37:19,235 Speaker 1: one for me to give to the Yankees, and one 575 00:37:19,355 --> 00:37:21,755 Speaker 1: to leave in the hands of a neutral outside observer. 576 00:37:22,235 --> 00:37:25,875 Speaker 1: My mother and we go to Yankee Stadium and I 577 00:37:25,955 --> 00:37:28,555 Speaker 1: explained to this thing to this friend of twenty five 578 00:37:28,635 --> 00:37:30,755 Speaker 1: years of mine, the PR director, and all he says 579 00:37:30,875 --> 00:37:33,675 Speaker 1: is thank you, and he swears he will warn me 580 00:37:33,955 --> 00:37:37,075 Speaker 1: if he hears that anything about any other reporter having 581 00:37:37,115 --> 00:37:41,435 Speaker 1: this story is even rumored. Two hours later, he comes 582 00:37:41,475 --> 00:37:44,035 Speaker 1: up to me, Jack Curry from the New York Times, 583 00:37:44,075 --> 00:37:46,315 Speaker 1: I asked to talk to Roger. He's heard he's gonna 584 00:37:46,355 --> 00:37:49,275 Speaker 1: talk to Roger. As Roger walks back to the clubhouse, 585 00:37:49,635 --> 00:37:52,075 Speaker 1: you could maybe follow them before you feed the tape. 586 00:37:52,475 --> 00:37:55,235 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, that sounds good, and I followed him, 587 00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:58,635 Speaker 1: and Clemmens lies through his teeth to Jack Curry and 588 00:37:58,675 --> 00:38:00,395 Speaker 1: says it was nothing to know they didn't have their 589 00:38:00,435 --> 00:38:02,955 Speaker 1: fingers in each other's faces, and Curry believes him, and 590 00:38:02,995 --> 00:38:05,795 Speaker 1: Clemmens goes into the Yankee clubhouse and Jack Curry wheels 591 00:38:05,835 --> 00:38:10,315 Speaker 1: around and says, nice eavesdropping, And I say, I'm really sorry, 592 00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:12,915 Speaker 1: you're right, but I'll explain to you why I had 593 00:38:12,955 --> 00:38:14,915 Speaker 1: to do it. But I'll explain it to you much 594 00:38:14,995 --> 00:38:18,155 Speaker 1: much later. And the next morning, the morning of the 595 00:38:18,235 --> 00:38:20,515 Speaker 1: day that we'll see Roger Clemens win his first World 596 00:38:20,515 --> 00:38:22,955 Speaker 1: Series game after sixteen years of trying. As the Yankees 597 00:38:22,995 --> 00:38:24,795 Speaker 1: sweep the Braves in the World Series, there is a 598 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:27,755 Speaker 1: very brief mention on page forty something of the New 599 00:38:27,835 --> 00:38:30,115 Speaker 1: York Times about the shouting match with the fan, and 600 00:38:30,155 --> 00:38:34,435 Speaker 1: there's no picture, and nobody notices the story, and Clemens 601 00:38:34,515 --> 00:38:37,635 Speaker 1: lies in it throughout, and the next spring, I see 602 00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:40,595 Speaker 1: Jack Curry and he is still angry with me, and 603 00:38:40,635 --> 00:38:43,715 Speaker 1: so I hand him a copy of the videotape and 604 00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:47,275 Speaker 1: I say, this is why I had to know what 605 00:38:47,355 --> 00:38:50,395 Speaker 1: you knew about Clemens. And he goes and he watches 606 00:38:50,435 --> 00:38:52,155 Speaker 1: it somewhere and he comes back to me and he's 607 00:38:52,235 --> 00:38:55,155 Speaker 1: all smiles, and he says, how did you get away 608 00:38:55,675 --> 00:38:59,275 Speaker 1: with not running this? And I tell him the story 609 00:38:59,275 --> 00:39:02,715 Speaker 1: and he says, but Clemens lied to me. And I say, 610 00:39:03,115 --> 00:39:07,035 Speaker 1: Clemens lies to everybody. That's not the point. And he says, yeah, 611 00:39:07,195 --> 00:39:10,955 Speaker 1: there's a difference between facts and truth. And I say, oh, 612 00:39:11,355 --> 00:39:14,755 Speaker 1: there's a difference between facts and truth. Hey, that's good, 613 00:39:14,875 --> 00:39:30,875 Speaker 1: let me write that down. I've done all the damage 614 00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:33,875 Speaker 1: I could do here. Twice in his life. 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