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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. It's a terrible name.

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Speaker 1: A Bazooka can only go so far? And he he

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Speaker 1: likes mister Rocket, mister Rockett.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the rocket has some minuendoes that I don't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe rocket Shoe, maybe Joe Rockett. Anyway, so here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing with pick back to the player, back

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Speaker 1: to the player. But I want to make sure, all right,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about mister Rocket.

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Speaker 2: He I'm sorry, that doesn't work for me. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: I have to call grown man mister.

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Speaker 1: I don't like preferring athletes by nicknames that they've publicly

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Speaker 1: said they don't like.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to work on that.

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Speaker 2: But that mister Rocket sounds it sounds like he's in

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Speaker 1: But also about so he doesn't like Bazuka Joe because

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Speaker 1: Bazukas can only go so far. Rockets can also only

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Speaker 1: go so far. What's something that has like unlimited distance?

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Speaker 2: Well, rockets can definitely go hop farther than the Bazuka

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Speaker 2: Zuka shoot rockets. But yeah, but like we're talking about

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Speaker 2: like an Elon Musk level of rocket.

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Speaker 1: What's what's something? So should we call them like Voyager one, Joe,

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Speaker 1: that's a really nerdy that was?

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Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna call them the Millennium Falcon next?

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Speaker 2: Is that what we're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: I guess I feel like the next week's open. They

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Speaker 1: got to put gas in that thing too, right, uh

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Speaker 1: or whatever? Get the equivalent marine might know.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't go that deep in Star Wars. That's

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Speaker 2: where I cut the line. I'm like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what kind of gas they're going hyper drive sure forger

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Speaker 2: one for two, they're just going on like momento and

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Speaker 2: they're never gonna stop. This is not helping ours not

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Speaker 2: the kind of this is not helping our cause when

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Speaker 2: people say, look at these two nerds all the time. Seriously,

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Speaker 2: guess I should say now, and then Rookie Minni Camp

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Speaker 2: Alex bart Evan Zar Patriots Catch twenty two. Got a

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Speaker 2: couple hours here to talk. Patriots still plenty to talk about,

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Speaker 2: even though we're in the middle of the off season.

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Speaker 2: It feels like but I just mentioned Rookie Mini camp

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Speaker 2: starting today, So Drake May on the premises somewhere in

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Speaker 2: this building right now, and then we'll be out there

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Speaker 2: for the first time in our careers on Saturday. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to take a look at Ricky minicamp. It does

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Speaker 2: sound like it's only gonna be about an hour practice.

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Speaker 2: We will talk to girod Mayo before practice, so there

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Speaker 2: will be some stuff coming out content wise.

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Speaker 1: I think talking after practice too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the rookies will talk afterwards. Sounds like

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Speaker 2: Drake May will be one of them. But for the

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Speaker 2: most part this is, uh were I doubt we're gonna

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think we're gonna Maybe if we're lucky,

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Speaker 2: but they can't really, they can't do any there's zero

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Speaker 3: Is there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can. It's I think it's technically in

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. I'm looking forward to it. I've never

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And I always agree with everything when when it came

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Speaker 2: that's what this is all about. This is not about

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Speaker 1: Which is also why I'm not really expecting to see

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Speaker 1: there's been talk about the two wide receivers maybe not

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Speaker 2: He went all the way back to Rohan Davey, Rohan

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Speaker 2: But when it comes to skill players, you know, receivers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, receivers the one position. So I'm generally if the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've talked about that, that that kind

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Speaker 2: Every year, this time of year, scouts in executives their

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could totally see something like that. All right.

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Speaker 2: are going to do a little roster reset. I feel

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Speaker 2: like there's been so much movement and the draft and

437
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Speaker 2: all this different stuff that I do want to reset

438
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Speaker 2: the roster a bit. We're gonna start with the offense

439
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Speaker 2: here today and then we're going to We're going to

440
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Speaker 2: go to defense, uh next week. So we'll do that

441
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Speaker 2: this week with offense. So let's just start with these

442
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Speaker 2: and then I'll take some of these calls and and

443
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Speaker 2: emails Alex. But starting with quarterback, I think there's two questions.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'll read all the names on the roster

445
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Speaker 2: at each position, Drake May, Jacoby Bris said, Bailey, Zappi,

446
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Speaker 2: Joe Milton. So I think the two main questions here

447
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Speaker 2: with quarterback are what happens with QB three between Zappy

448
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Speaker 2: and Joe Milton. And the other question I think on

449
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Speaker 2: everybody's mind is, you know, obviously, when does Drake May start?

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Speaker 1: You know?

451
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Speaker 2: And I think that that one's a little bit harder

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Speaker 2: to answer on May ninth. Then it will be in

453
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Speaker 2: a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: It'll even be easier. Well, we probably won't have the

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Speaker 1: schedule next week when we're on, we'll be starting to

456
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Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, the schedule, you know, when they when

457
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Speaker 1: they have their buy you know, is reported that they

458
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Speaker 1: requested the full week out west if they have that,

459
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Speaker 1: if there's a London game, which has been speculated, like

460
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Speaker 1: knowing that, because you want to make sure that you

461
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Speaker 1: have a real week where you can ramp him up.

462
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Speaker 1: So knowing when those checkpoints are will be not the

463
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Speaker 1: whole story, but a part of the story. In terms

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Speaker 1: of when Drake May gets on the field.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident in saying that Drake May is gonna

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Speaker 2: play year one. I'm not saying he's gonna start week one,

467
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Speaker 2: but I'm with you on that. I'm pretty confident saying

468
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Speaker 2: he's gonna play your one. I don't think that they're

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Speaker 2: gonna send him the entire year, No, I don't. And

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Speaker 2: I think a big part of it is and remember

471
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Speaker 2: this coming to light a little bit with Mac Jones

472
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Speaker 2: as well, when you get out to practice and the

473
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Speaker 2: players can see it that he's the best quarterback on

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Speaker 2: the team. So when you talk about the other fifty

475
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Speaker 2: two guys, it's almost doing them a disservice to not

476
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Speaker 2: put the best guy out there. Now, you do have

477
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Speaker 2: to realize that the next ten years is more important

478
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Speaker 2: than week one September twenty twenty four. But at the

479
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Speaker 2: same time, I think there's a real chance, and I've

480
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Speaker 2: said this before, that through training camp, Drake May is

481
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Speaker 2: the best quarterback on the team. So I guess I'll

482
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Speaker 2: ask you this, Are you okay with him going out

483
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Speaker 2: there week one? You know, if you truly if it's

484
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Speaker 2: a Mac Jones situation where it's clear that Mac Jones

485
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Speaker 2: beat out Cam Newton in twenty twenty one, yeah, are

486
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Speaker 2: we going into this thinking that it's we still shouldn't

487
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Speaker 2: throw Drake May out there.

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Speaker 1: It's really tough to answer without saying what he looks like,

489
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Speaker 1: because the thing was like Cam Newton wasn't here to

490
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Speaker 1: mentor Mac Jones Cam Newton. That was a real competition.

491
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Speaker 1: They wanted the best quarterback. They were trying to go

492
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Speaker 1: out there and win as many games as possible. That

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Speaker 1: you're not that they're not trying to do that this year,

494
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Speaker 1: But like you said, the next ten years, in the

495
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Speaker 1: next five years is a lot more important than September

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So yeah, you know, there are just

497
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Speaker 1: certain things May's gonna have to learn that won't come

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Speaker 1: to the regular season, and I keep going back to

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Speaker 1: once he's the starter, that's that. Yeah, you don't get

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Speaker 1: to Oh we thought he was ready, but he's not ready.

501
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go back to Jacoby. You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: We just did two years of Futson around with the

503
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Speaker 1: quarterback dep chart, Like, he can't do that again. So

504
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Speaker 1: I just like, at least give give him the first

505
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Speaker 1: month to kind of watch what Justin Herbert have you, like,

506
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Speaker 1: what three games, four games something like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Justin Herbert started pretty early on the person

508
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Speaker 2: I'm pulling up right now, which I think is is

509
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Speaker 2: really where I'm at with this is Tua. Yeah, Tua,

510
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Speaker 2: And remember they went back to Ryan Fitzpatrick and it

511
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Speaker 2: was a whole issue. Yeah, I mean that was I

512
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Speaker 2: think in the beginning of the end for Brian Flores,

513
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Speaker 2: They're sure.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. There's and I think there's still

515
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Speaker 1: lingering issues in terms of the way too was viewed

516
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Speaker 1: there because of that. So you cannot Tua was it

517
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Speaker 1: was late October? I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Tua Tua made nine starts. Yeah, as a rookie,

519
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Speaker 2: but as you mentioned, there's a couple of weird games

520
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Speaker 2: in there where Ryan Fitzpatrick got back in after they.

521
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Speaker 1: Would put Ryan Fitzpatrick in as the closer, essentially like

522
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Speaker 1: you can't, you cannot be doing that, and then know

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Speaker 1: at the very end of the year they went back

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Speaker 1: to Fitzpatrick's starting. I think, yeah, I think you're right.

525
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Speaker 1: So I don't think Tua started all the way through.

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Speaker 2: So Tua's first start was actually November one, just.

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Speaker 1: The way October it was announced, because he announced before

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Speaker 1: their bye.

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Speaker 2: Week, just the way the schedule worked out, so they So.

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Speaker 1: I remember this because it's important context. Yeah, it was

531
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Speaker 1: like the Wednesday of their bye week that they said

532
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Speaker 1: two is gonna start, and everybody was like, Fitzpatrick's playing, Well,

533
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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And I don't remember if

534
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Speaker 1: it was the outright said it or it was reported

535
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Speaker 1: that basically they had always planned no matter what, they

536
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Speaker 1: were gonna make the switch to the bye week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they were doing it, and that I

538
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Speaker 1: don't think you can do that. I think it has

539
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Speaker 1: to be organic in the moment. You can't just on

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Speaker 1: September one say all right, November first is when he's

541
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Speaker 1: gonna start, Like, you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: So Tua started in week eight. That was his first start,

543
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Speaker 2: and that was right after their bye week on November one,

544
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Speaker 2: not that the date really matters all that much, but

545
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Speaker 2: week eight, so basically the halfway through the year they

546
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Speaker 2: turned the keys over to a. He didn't start in

547
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Speaker 2: week twelve that year. That was the one game that

548
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Speaker 2: they for some reason decided to go back to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

549
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Speaker 2: They beat the that's actually twenty to three in that game,

550
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Speaker 2: but then he started weeks thirteen through seventeen, so he

551
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Speaker 2: closed it out for them at least as the primary starter.

552
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Speaker 2: And he so that was Tua. Justin Herbert I remember

553
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Speaker 2: him and Josh Allen starting pretty early on Justin Herbert

554
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.

555
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Speaker 1: Well he wasn't remember Justin Herbert wasn't supposed to.

556
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Speaker 2: So Justin Herbert in twenty twenties made fifteen starts, right,

557
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Speaker 2: So Tyrod Taylor gets poked by the needle right in

558
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Speaker 2: the lung, right that is the long I think punctured une. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 2: and that's what started that whole thing for Herbert. And

560
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Speaker 2: even though his record and he started fifteen games, even

561
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Speaker 2: though his record was six and nine, he threw for

562
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Speaker 2: forty three hundred yards, thirty one touchdowns to ten interceptions.

563
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Speaker 1: It's pretty good.

564
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Speaker 2: So Justin Herbert was good right away, maybe not winning,

565
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Speaker 2: but good. You know, the team wasn't winning, but Justin

566
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Speaker 2: Herbert was putting up numbers and being productive right away.

567
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Speaker 1: So that was Herbert.

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Speaker 2: And then i'll just for argument's sake, because these are

569
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Speaker 2: kind of the quarterbacks that everybody compares him to, We'll

570
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Speaker 2: go to Josh Allen. Josh Allen did start right away

571
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Speaker 2: as and Josh Allen made eleven starts in his rookie season.

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Speaker 1: Was that Fitzpatrick too?

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Speaker 2: No, I think it was Derek Anderson, I remember regular.

574
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think you're right. No, I think it

575
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Speaker 1: was tired.

576
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: So Derek Anderson made two starts, Nathan Peterman made two starts,

577
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Speaker 2: and Matt Barkley I guess got a start.

578
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Speaker 1: In there, as with Matt Barkley. So those are the.

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Speaker 2: Guys that started the other five games. You know, that

580
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Speaker 2: was a sixteen game season, so the other five games.

581
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Speaker 2: But Josh Allen played in eleven games, uh, two thousand yards,

582
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Speaker 2: ten touchdowns, twelve picks, fifty two point eight completion percentage,

583
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Speaker 2: so he I remember, you know him being awful as

584
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Speaker 2: a rookie.

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was pretty bad.

586
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Speaker 2: But I think that those three guys, and the reason

587
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Speaker 2: why I bring up two is just because I remember

588
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Speaker 2: the plan. The plan was the bye week, and with

589
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Speaker 2: the schedule coming out next week, the bye week is important.

590
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Speaker 2: We're gonna circle the bye week and if it's in

591
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Speaker 2: that perfect you know there our bye week was week

592
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Speaker 2: seven of to his rookie year. If it's in that

593
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Speaker 2: perfect spot of the calendar that it makes sense to,

594
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Speaker 2: you know, allow him to have the bye week to

595
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Speaker 2: be the starter at practice, and then you turn the

596
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Speaker 2: keys over to him after the bye week. Then that's

597
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Speaker 2: that's where we're at with with Drake May. But I'm

598
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Speaker 2: still I'm still not ruling him out earlier, like I'm

599
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Speaker 2: still not ruling him out because I really feel like

600
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get out there and he might be the

601
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Speaker 2: best guy, and then you have to decide about his

602
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: long term development versus putting the best guy out there

603
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: for the team right all right. Elsewhere on quarterback, I

604
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Speaker 2: just don't really know what they do with Bailey z

605
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Speaker 2: Appy at this point. I think the plan is probably

606
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Speaker 2: to see if he has a nice preseason and it

607
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Speaker 2: actually gets some trade value. Maybe a backup gets hurt.

608
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: You know, team has a run of injuries at quarterback

609
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: and he has a little bit of trade value. Mac

610
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Speaker 2: Jones goes for a sixth round pick, what do you

611
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Speaker 2: look maybe a late you know, we get a seventh

612
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Speaker 2: from you. You get a sixth from us, and Bailey's appackwards,

613
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, sorry, Bailly's happy and a sixth round pick

614
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Speaker 2: for a seventh round.

615
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Speaker 1: Well it could also be I mean mac Jones and

616
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Speaker 1: boy would people have a field day with this. But

617
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Speaker 1: if he gets more, if he get or equal. But

618
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Speaker 1: you know, mac Jones got traded in March when everybody's

619
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Speaker 1: kind of resetting their rosters. If you have a team

620
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Speaker 1: has a quarterback or two get hurt during camp and

621
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Speaker 1: they just need somebody with experience, maybe they get desperate

622
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Speaker 1: and give up more than they should just to get them.

623
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Speaker 1: Like you could see, that's why you hold on him.

624
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: You don't trade him now, because when guys start getting

625
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Speaker 1: hurt in camp, start getting hurt in the preseason, quarterbacks

626
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Speaker 1: be coming demand. Maybe you get a little more.

627
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Speaker 2: So with Joe Milton, I'm with you. I don't think

628
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: we're both saying the same thing that there's just no

629
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Speaker 2: path for Bailey is happy to be on this team.

630
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Speaker 1: Unless Joe Milton's like really really terrible.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I just don't see it because

632
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Speaker 2: I think that they have some developmental plans with Joe

633
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: Milton where they're gonna give him some time to see

634
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: if they can develop those those skills. Elliot Wolf was

635
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: on the Adam Schefter podcast and he said that we

636
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Speaker 2: just had to take them at that point in the

637
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: draft because the talent it was too immense in the

638
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: sixth round to pass up on it. I think that

639
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: they're gonna give Joe Milton a little bit of a

640
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Speaker 2: leash here to see if they can develop. Put him

641
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Speaker 2: in that Aaron Rodgers, you know, Mike McCarthy, Alex Van

642
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: Pelt quarterback school, you know, and see if between him

643
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: and Drake May if they can get both of those

644
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: guys to develop. But Joe Milton, I think the biggest

645
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: thing is to me that he has to earn a

646
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Speaker 2: roster spot, Like he has to play so well in

647
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Speaker 2: the preseason and in training camp that they have to

648
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Speaker 2: put him on the roster otherwise he's not going to

649
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Speaker 2: make it to the practice squad or something along those lines,

650
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Speaker 2: or even just that he earned it and deserves to

651
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Speaker 2: be on one of the fifty three guys. But I

652
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: think we should say the quarterback emergency quarterback rule. Now

653
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: you can make it a guy from the practice squad,

654
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: the emergency therapy you can't.

655
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: But everybody's like drooling over that. You're still limited to

656
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: you still have to elevate him for that, and you're

657
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: still limited to three elevations per season. So if they

658
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: want him dressed on game days the emergency third quarterback,

659
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: maybe he goes to practice squad right away, but he's

660
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna be on the roster at some point. Yeah.

661
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: I also wonder how much of that that shenanigans is

662
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: gone with Bill, you know, playing games on the roster,

663
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: off the roster.

664
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I think he's gonna make

665
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: like today, not haven't seen it on the field obviously.

666
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: I think he'll make the team because they need depth

667
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: there and he fits I think what they're trying to do,

668
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: And like you said, they have some quarterback gurus in

669
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the building. Give them some time to work with him.

670
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: But he he's not a lot like he's gonna have.

671
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: If he looks over his head, there's nothing that demands

672
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: they keep him. Now, I could see a situation where

673
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: it's Drake Major Kobe were setting a third quarterback to

674
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: be named later too. I don't think Joe Milton being

675
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: bad means Bailey's Appy automatically gets a roster spot, because

676
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: we talk about this a lot, Evan, you want all

677
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks to be a similar skill set for a

678
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: number of reasons. It just makes life easier. You know,

679
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: if you have to go to your backup, you still

680
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: get to run the same offense. Things like that. All

681
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the coaching points carry over in Bailey's APT with Bailey's

682
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Appie and Mac Jones that worked. That worked great. With

683
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy and Drake May, that's not gonna be the case.

684
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: So if it's not Joe Milton, if it's not Bailey's Appy,

685
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: or even if it's not Joe Milton, because Joe Milton's

686
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: cut from that, say, he's that same prototype as Drake May,

687
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: as Kobe Bursett. So if it's not Milton, instead of

688
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: keeping ZAPPI would they go out and try to find

689
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: another quarterback like that rather than just keep Bailey's Appy

690
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: in that third spot.

691
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think Joe Milton's gonna make the team.

692
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: I think that they're they're just gonna hang on to

693
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: him for developmental purposes and like you said, maybe some

694
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: stylistic purposes as well. I do think that he'll be

695
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: useful for scout team and things like that, you know,

696
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: when they play those athletic, big arm quarterbacks. Not that

697
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: you need to be on the roster for that. You

698
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: could obviously do that from the practice squad as well.

699
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: But I just feel like there's a lot of signs

700
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: that point to Joe Milton making the team unless he

701
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: absolutely bombs and camp, which is possible, I guess, but

702
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't see it, you know. I think there's a

703
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: lot of talk too, and I know he he shut

704
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: it down pretty quickly when we spoke to him after

705
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: the draft after the Patriots made the pick. And he's

706
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: not playing tight end.

707
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: I also don't think he'd be a good tight end,

708
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: which is like people just see Logan Thomas right or

709
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: they see a mobile quarterback who's maybe not a great

710
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: quarterback movement a tight end, Like it's not nearly that simple.

711
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a career as a backup quarterback.

712
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's so bad as a quarterback.

713
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: The two things that you watch him with him, one

714
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: he's really slow through the progressions and really stares down

715
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: his intended targets a lot, you know, first reading the

716
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: progression type of stuff where he's he'll it's like the

717
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: controller came unplugged. Like he'll just like kind of freeze

718
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: in the pocket for a second and just stare it

719
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: down and stare it down and you're like, come on,

720
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: come on, come on, and then he'll throw it. Obviously,

721
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: there's accuracy stuff in work, stuff that needs to be

722
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: worked out, but to me, the processing is a bigger issue.

723
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: But when I was talking to some of his coaches

724
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: and Jim Nagy about him, the one thing that they

725
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: did point out was he really had one season, even

726
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: though he was in college for six years, he only

727
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: really had one season where he was the man you

728
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: know at Tennessee last year. So he hasn't played a

729
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: ton of football even though he's been in college forever.

730
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: I think Drake may had more starts than him in

731
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, than I'm actually gonna pull.

732
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: That, So, you know, the big thing that people were

733
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: saying to me, Yes, theoretically, Joe Milton is an older

734
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: prospect that would tell you that his developmental track is

735
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: running is running out, and his ceiling is is close

736
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: to He's close to his ceiling. But what they were

737
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: saying to me was, this is guy that's definitely still

738
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: developing because he hasn't played. He didn't play at Michigan,

739
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: he didn't play at Tennessee's first year there because Hennon

740
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: Hooker was there, and then last year was really the

741
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: only year that he started like a serious amount of games.

742
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Joe Milton played in thirty nine games, started

743
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: seventeen in six years. Drake May played in thirty, started

744
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: twenty six in three years. Yeah, so he started more

745
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: games in the past attempts Joe Milton's career again, this

746
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: is in six years, five hundred and forty pass attempts,

747
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: Drake May nine hundred and fifty two. Yeah, so Drake

748
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: May has more more for a field experienced Joe Milton.

749
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: Milton was also in I mean that tech you can

750
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: speak just better than me, but that Tennessee offense is

751
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: really unique when it comes it's not it's not an

752
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: NFL offense. Yeah, it doesn't like you got to relearn

753
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot. It doesn't translate a ton.

754
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough because I think the biggest oh, let's.

755
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Be honest, that offense will be in the NFL in

756
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: three or four years.

757
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: You just don't see a whole lot of progressions in

758
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: that offense where you're really going, whether it's a coverage

759
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: read or just a progression read where it's one, two, three,

760
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: you just don't see a whole lot of that. It's

761
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: a lot of isolation routes, a lot of space, it's

762
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: a lot of just first reads not there. Maybe you

763
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: have like one second read that's a time read or

764
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: something like that in terms of the progression, and then

765
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: you have like a checkdown maybe, and that's that's really it.

766
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: Like you're not talking about him, you know, reading sides

767
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: of the field and going through progressions you know, one, two, three, four,

768
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: all the way across the field Like that just doesn't

769
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: really happen too much in that offense. And there's not

770
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: a whole lot on the quarterback pre snap on in

771
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: that offense either. They don't adjust much. They kind of

772
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: just do what they do and they don't check out

773
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: of plays very often. So there's a lot of stuff

774
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: that at the NFL level, you know, protections, audibles, foul

775
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: field progressions that just don't exist in that. It was

776
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: a big knock, not a knock, but it was a

777
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: big thing with Hendon Hooker as well, that he really

778
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: hadn't played in an NFL offense and even some of

779
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: the receivers too. Yeah, no under center, Like they don't

780
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: run under center. They don't really run much still either.

781
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: They run under center a lot of Michigan. So Milton

782
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: has that experience from his time in Michigan. Yeah.

783
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it'd be interesting to see what happens with

784
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: with Joe Milton. I I'm I'm excited to watch him.

785
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still cautious about how we talk about him.

786
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: You know, I don't we're not starting a Bailey's Appy

787
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Macchifs thing.

788
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: Well, well I had to walk that that line for

789
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: three months between. This guy's really entertaining. You all should

790
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: watch him. But yeah, you know, other than why don't

791
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: you want to take him in the first round? Well,

792
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: it's not like that, But he'll be fun to watch,

793
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: That's what I said, All lot'll be fun. The one

794
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: thing I can tell you about Joe Milton, and he's

795
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of an endigma. He doesn't make a lot of sense,

796
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: as I like to say, Yeah, but the one thing

797
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I know for sure about Joe Milton is he's fun

798
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: to watch, especially in that kind of training camp setting.

799
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: So he doesn't make a lot of sense. But man,

800
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: you know you you watch him, like last year. If

801
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: there's one game that I would say, like Patriots Finn

802
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 2: should watch of him last year, it's against Florida.

803
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: Now, did you watch the Kentucky game yet?

804
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Kentucky game is interesting because it's just all

805
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: over the place, Like if you really want to see

806
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: pros and cons of his game, that game is interesting.

807
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Well, his three best throws in that game are incompletions

808
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: and Florida.

809
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true because there's through what they ruled that

810
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: in an incompletion, right, there's one that was like questionably

811
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: ruled in completion.

812
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: There's another one very early in the game. You guys

813
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: actually on the when you guys out his highlights, Yeah,

814
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: there was one of them where they don't show it

815
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: to the end, which I get because he makes this

816
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: insane back across his body. It's like seventy eight yards

817
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: to the opposite sideline and score White just drops it.

818
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: It's right in the bread basket. It's such an impressive play.

819
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I remember showing that to people, like, why are you

820
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: showing me in completion as a highlight. I'm like, because

821
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: if you look at what he does with his arm here. Yeah,

822
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: forget that it's dropped anyway. You need the Florida game.

823
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: The Florida game was really good too. Yeah, and now

824
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: everybody played well against Florida last year, Like Jada Daniels

825
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: played well against Florida last year. That was like his

826
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: big game. He had like six hundred yard records. Yeah,

827
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: so Florida's defense was was booty like, there's no doubt

828
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: about that. But he I think what made the Florida

829
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: game unique, Yeah, was that he had some really good

830
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: drive throws in that game, like up the scene and

831
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: stuff like that. It wasn't all just un corking at

832
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: seventy five yard deep ball.

833
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: You know.

834
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: There was some other types of more NFL throws, which

835
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: is hard to find in that offense, but there were

836
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: a few in that Florida game. So I would watch

837
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: that game. He wasn't He was bad in the second

838
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: half against Alabama, like the wheels kind of came off,

839
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: but he made some good throws in the first half.

840
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: I thought against Alabama too, Yeah, they were like kind

841
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: of in that forbid. I remember that game where it

842
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: was like I remember watching that in the first half

843
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: and thinking like, oh, if it's this versus Joe Milton today,

844
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: like Tennessee can do this. Yeah, and then it wasn't

845
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: for the whole game obviously.

846
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: So well, that was our Joe Milton talk. You know,

847
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: we're already getting people jazzed up about Joe Milton instead

848
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: of the third overall pick.

849
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about Drake May, Like what's there to

850
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: talk about with Drake May? As crazy as that sounds.

851
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: When's he going to start, which we don't know, we

852
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: have no way of knowing till he get on the field.

853
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: Roster battles at this time of year, the bottom of

854
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: the roster guys are inherently more interested interesting in talking

855
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: about how much are we really when we get to

856
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: like the defensive line, how much are we realistically going

857
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: to talk about Christian Barmore? Not much right Like, he's

858
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: he's going to start, He's going to be good. Yeah,

859
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: We're done. So it's that's just kind of what it.

860
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: We just happened to be starting with quarterbacks, so it

861
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: comes across that way. Okay, running backs reminder Steven San,

862
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson, Kevin Harris, Jamichael Hasty, Kayshawn Vaughan, and then

863
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: uh DeShawn Fenwick. I had the u DFA is in

864
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: a separate section, so that had to scroll over. I

865
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: just I don't know, this is my process, okay, but

866
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: they're not separate players. They played that position. I know

867
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: you hate, you hate, you have no time for UDFA.

868
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: Now I have one u DFA that I think I

869
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: told you about already, Yeah, that I'm interested in.

870
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: But well, you know, so you wouldn't have been bothered

871
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: with Jacobe Myers in twenty nineteen. That's fine. You Actually

872
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: that's not fair you when they signed Jacoby Myers, I

873
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: remember I texted you, Yeah they got him as DFA.

874
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah he should not have been excited. That was just

875
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: because of his forty times Yeah, Deshaun Fenwick. So when

876
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: I look at this running back room, you know what

877
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: Rimandre is gonna be. He's gonna be the bell cow.

878
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: You know, Antonio Gibson's going to be the change of

879
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: pace guy. I still think Antonio Gibson's going to carry

880
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: the ball decent amount, I think so, I think he's

881
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: going to be I don't think he's going to be

882
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: a third down back. I think it's going to be

883
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: a true change of pace back.

884
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be just rotational rather than situational,

885
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: which is what they were last year. Which what that

886
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: means is, I don't think it's gonna be early down back,

887
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: passing down back. It's gonna be all right, this is

888
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: Vermandre series. All right, this is Antonio Gibson series, or

889
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: maybe it's Remandre for four plays, Gibson for three plays,

890
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Vermondre for five plays, Gibson for three, whatever like it.

891
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't both can play in every situation, so I

892
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna lock either one of them into

893
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: a situation. What that does is it makes you less predictable.

894
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: The Patriots were able to get away with it for

895
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: a long time because the pass catching backs they had

896
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: played at such a high level. It really didn't matter

897
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: how predictable they were. Yeah, and nobody was stacking the

898
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: box against the run with Tom Brady. Now it makes

899
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: more sense for them to just be rotational rather than situational.

900
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: And they have the backs to do it, and maybe,

901
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, certain roles. I still think Stevenson in short

902
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: yardage makes more sense than Gibson and less Deshaun Fenwick

903
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: makes the team. We'll get to that, but I think

904
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Gibson's gonna play in all roles. I think Stevenson's gonna

905
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: play in all roles. Yeah, I agree.

906
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: I don't think this is gonna be He's just a

907
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: third down bat, pass game back. I think Antonio Gibson

908
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: really fits what they want to do from an outside

909
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: zone versus active as well at that straight line speed.

910
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: So I think that there's a lot of.

911
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: Angles that Antonio Gibson's a really good fit in this offense.

912
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: You go and you watch like how they use Cream

913
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Hunt in Cleveland. You know, I think it's going to

914
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: be a similar type of role for Antonio Gibson. And

915
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy and all all is. You know,

916
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: let's just assume both of them stay healthy, which is

917
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: probably not gonna happen at running back, but both of

918
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: them stay healthy for the entire year. I still think

919
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson touches the ball one hundred and fifty times.

920
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: I can see it, and and Ramonder Seinson has had

921
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: this insane workload for the last two years and it's

922
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: taken a toll on him, and you've got to do

923
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: a better job of keeping him fresh. Yeah, so, especially

924
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: if they plan on extending him.

925
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: And I know that there's some there's some support, some

926
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: buzz for Fenwick. Who's I think, you know, bigger back,

927
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: but I think he actually can do a little bit

928
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: of everything. He's shown some some pass catching skill. I'm

929
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: not saying he's not James White, but I think that

930
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's probably an early down back type of guy.

931
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: He's early down back in the NFL. He caught the

932
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: ball a little bit.

933
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know him and Kevin Harris, you know, maybe

934
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: maybe a battle there.

935
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: That That's what I'm saying. The thing about Fenwick to me,

936
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So he was in college for six years,

937
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: three at South Carolina. I think it was actually teammates

938
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: with Kevin Harris at South Carolina.

939
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: When was he He could have been maybe to twenty.

940
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: He could have been teammates with Jaane Bell.

941
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Also, hang on, actually let me see Kevin Harris. Yeah,

942
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: they were teammates for two years at South Carolina. Similar backs. Yeah, so,

943
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: but the thing with the thing with Fenwick. So he

944
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: was in college for six years, three at South Carolina,

945
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: three Oregon State. He only had more than one hundred

946
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: carries once. Yeah, and that was in twenty twenty two.

947
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: So this is a guy that has fresh he's fresh,

948
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: but he also has very little exposure. Like I was

949
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: surprised to see him go undrafted just kind of looking

950
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: at at what I saw in then aras well. There's

951
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: not a huge sample size to go off of. Now

952
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: that's very rare for the Patriots. They love backs with

953
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: experience and with production, and that's not you know, post Belichick.

954
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: This is a thing that maybe changes, but I you know,

955
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Fenwick's not going to come in and be reminder Stevenson's replacement,

956
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: and you know, all they have Fenwick so they don't

957
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: have to pay Stevenson next year. But this is a

958
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: team that the last two years running back depth has

959
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: been a problem. They have come into they have come

960
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: out of games with one healthy running back. We were

961
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: this close last year, remember to Jabrill Peppers potentially having

962
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: to take some snaps at running back. Yeah, so that

963
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: third down or not third down, sorry, that third back.

964
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: The third running back is important in Kevin you'd wanted

965
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: to be Kevin Harris. I think that's the guy he

966
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: was kind of drafted to be, but he hasn't really

967
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: gained much ground over the first two years. And if

968
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: Enwick's better than him in camp, I could absolutely see,

969
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, him making a push. I'll also throw Keyshawn

970
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Vaughn in that battle as well, because he had some

971
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: flashes for Tampa. He also has some special teams ability

972
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: that maybe makes him favorable. Fenwick is gonna have to

973
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: learn a bit to play on special teams, same with Harris.

974
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a real battle. Kevin Harris,

975
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: Keishawn Vaughan, Deshaun Fenwick, throwing Jamichael Hasty and other special

976
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: team's got if you want. But I think it's Fenwick,

977
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Vaughn and Harris for the third run.

978
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: Do we are we sure that the third running backs

979
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: on the roster.

980
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: At some point, maybe not week one, but at some

981
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: point all those guys, all three of those guys will

982
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: be gus they can get on the Presis I.

983
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Just mean them signing another running back, oh, like a

984
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: free agent like they did with Zeke last year.

985
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: Maybe they bring somebody else.

986
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: In because I don't love this running back depth chart.

987
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: Behind the top, they've trod Mayos talked about playing the kids.

988
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: I think they'll give those guys a chance. Yeah, They's

989
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. And I do think that in

990
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: some respects not saying that he deserves to be, you know,

991
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: sixty percent snap guy like Ormandre, but I do think

992
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: that Kevin Harris has shown some flashes that probably deserving

993
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: of a chance to be in a rotation. You know,

994
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: obviously as the third running back in this case. But

995
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: I just wonder if really that battle between you know,

996
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: Fenwick and Kevin Harris is really more battle for the

997
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: fourth running back spot and they end up bringing in

998
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: a free.

999
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, they've talked about playing the kids, like

1000
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: let's if it's bad when it gets in a camp.

1001
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what happened last year. I just look at

1002
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: their depth and we you just mentioned it. How many

1003
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: years are we gonna go where they really only have

1004
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: two backs that they play, I think, and then there's

1005
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: always you know, something like that, like it was Remondre

1006
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: and Jami and Harris, then it was you know, then

1007
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: it was you know last year with Zeke and Remandre.

1008
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: You know, like those that these last couple of years,

1009
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: like that's spent all they have there, and they're patching

1010
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: it together at times, and Remandre's playing a ton now.

1011
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: I think Antonio Gibson hopefully we'll take some of that

1012
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: workload off of him with that. But then we get

1013
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: to end the last year and Zeke's the only healthy

1014
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: running back that's played at anything in the league. I

1015
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: just I that position we saw last year with Dalvin

1016
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: Cook and Zeke, that guys come available to post June one,

1017
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't love you know, I just looked up, you know,

1018
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: to refresh my memory. There's not a ton of free

1019
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: agent running backs left out there because somebody, Are you.

1020
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Going to get somebody better than Harris or Fendwick? You

1021
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: might like, I'm not saying no, but you know, back one.

1022
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: Of those veterans might could get cut.

1023
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: This would be interesting to see in the in the

1024
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: preseason because we don't know exactly what it's gonna look

1025
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: like post Bill. But back in the day, back in

1026
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the day, last year, you know, back in how Bill

1027
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: generally did it handle the preseason? Ninety percent of it

1028
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: was let's just get out of here. We're gonna take

1029
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: the last running back on the roster. We're gonna give

1030
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: him thirty five carries, right, Ralph web Style remember that. Yeah,

1031
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Deshaun Fenwick is the kind of guy that would lead

1032
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots had the leading rusher in the NFL in

1033
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: the preseason I think like three of the last six

1034
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: years or something like that. Like Kevin Harris led the

1035
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: NFL in rushing in the preseason the last year, in

1036
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: the year before then another guy who did I forget

1037
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: who was, but like Fenwick's the guy especially that didn't

1038
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience in college where they would

1039
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: just run him, run him, run him, run him, and

1040
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: that would be the whole preseason and we get all

1041
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: excited about him, and he wouldn't make the roster out

1042
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: of web right, But I think we're gonna get a

1043
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: poor Ralph Webb.

1044
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: But it's it's Ralph Webb.

1045
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: Remember Zeke last year didn't sign till after the first

1046
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: preseason game.

1047
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he didn't want to, He didn't want to

1048
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: be there.

1049
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: Well, that was part of it. But also I think,

1050
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: like you got a little remember Kevin Harris did not

1051
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: play well in that game. Pierre Strong did not play

1052
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: well in that game.

1053
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they traded a pierced On not too far after

1054
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: that a couple of weeks.

1055
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the point being here, like we're

1056
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna get a good idea in the preseason. We should

1057
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: get a good idea of Fenwick and Harrison where they're at.

1058
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: And I think it's after that first preseason game we'll

1059
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: stop and take a look and be like, all right,

1060
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: do they need to ask?

1061
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: I just don't love the running back depth chart, you know,

1062
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: I like the top two.

1063
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, worried about running back depth.

1064
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, the reason why running death is because this is

1065
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: the offense.

1066
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: Like I have to just it was the offense the

1067
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: last two years and we were talking now, but this

1068
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: is what we were talking about, Like fotte, I don't

1069
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: get start running at this is this is whoever?

1070
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: This is different though because of the type of skill

1071
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: like they Cleveland a VP, like this is this is

1072
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: their offense, Like this is their basis of the offense

1073
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 2: is being able to run the ball and not only

1074
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: being able to not even just volume, but also just

1075
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: the way they run the ball to set up play

1076
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: action in the three throw the ball off of the

1077
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: run game, Like that's that's the basis this entire offense.

1078
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: If you can't run the ball effectively, or you have

1079
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: no running backs to run the ball, then the whole,

1080
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: like the whole structure of the offense goes out.

1081
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: When you are more worried about running back depth, running

1082
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: back death not starting, you are more worried about the

1083
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: third and fourth running back than I am.

1084
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: This is somebody marked time I am because it's twenty

1085
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: two history. It relates to the offensive line as well,

1086
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: and we'll get to that in a minute. But I

1087
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: still feel like I have to see guys like Kevin

1088
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: Harrison Fenwick in this type of scheme because they don't

1089
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: really have that speed, you know. I think reminder, Rodger

1090
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: is a good player, He's a good football player. I

1091
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: imagine he'll figure it out.

1092
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: Figure out.

1093
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson has the skill set, you know, if there

1094
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: is one of these guys you know that comes available,

1095
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: and the one guy that I that I saw that's

1096
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: currently available on the free agent market is like a

1097
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: Matt Brida, who is just a fast guy. Like he's

1098
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: not anything flashy, he's not going to break tackles.

1099
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: He's not in one.

1100
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Of those big, you know, elusive type of backs, but

1101
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: he's got good straight line speed. And he's been in

1102
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: the type of scheme before. I think in Miami right

1103
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: most recently, if I am remembering correctly.

1104
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't Miami. He might have to stop somewhere else

1105
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: last year.

1106
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so he's one of those guys that

1107
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: has some interest for me. The other guy, and I

1108
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: don't know, this guy might be might be nicked from

1109
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: the organization's list. But Kaream Hunt is still a free agent,

1110
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 2: and obviously he's got the all the experience. I don't

1111
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: know if the I don't know if the craft would

1112
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: go for Kareem Hunt. I don't think so, you know,

1113
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: that's a tough one. Cam Akers free agent still, but

1114
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: he's got you know, had the Achilles what was that

1115
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: not last year but almost a year and a half ago.

1116
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: Is uh still a free agent? Hilaire? No, okay, no,

1117
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Jack McKinnon every wanted them as sign Jack McKinnon for years.

1118
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: More of a scap back, you know, more of a

1119
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: pass game back for sure. And then Laddie Murray is

1120
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: the other one at the top of the list who

1121
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: is a bulldozer and is not helping me with my

1122
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: four to three speed need here.

1123
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's gonna work. Maybe they'll go

1124
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: out and get C. J. Marrable again. They just he's

1125
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: killed it again.

1126
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: They need they need some explosiveness, and they need some depth.

1127
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: I you're right. I. I just don't think that you

1128
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: can run this system properly without having a good running game.

1129
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: I just like that. That's that's what Cleveland's been for

1130
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: the last four years. You can say what you want

1131
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: about Joe Flakka coming off his couch and playing decent

1132
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: for them down the stretch or some of the moments

1133
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: they have with Baker early on. All of it was

1134
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: based off of the fact that they had Nick Chubb

1135
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: and Kareem Hunt and could run the ball. And if

1136
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots can't replicate that at a decent clip and

1137
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: then they have some injuries at running back that we've

1138
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: been down this road Stephen Jackson in Week seventeen, right

1139
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: like we've been down this road before. I don't want

1140
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: to go down it again. When we get to tight ends, though,

1141
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: there is somebody that has played running back in his past.

1142
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about that now. Do you think

1143
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Jaheen bell factor's in there.

1144
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: I think that he's your Jabriel Pepper like if it's

1145
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: a break glass scenario.

1146
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but I don't he doesn't need to

1147
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: be playing like full I'd rather he played full back

1148
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: before he starts playing running back.

1149
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's gonna play full back, he's gonna I

1150
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: think he's gonna play an off the line role. So

1151
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: tight ends quickly, and I promise we'll start opening up

1152
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: with the phones. Hunter Henry Austin Hooper, Jahean Bell, the

1153
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: Michael Pettaway and Mitchway pet Way they say pet Away, Yeah,

1154
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: Michael Petway and Mitchell Wilcox and Jacob Warren and Jacob

1155
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 2: Oren who got number eighty seven.

1156
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: People got mad about it and had an awesome tweet

1157
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: about it the other day.

1158
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: For this exercise, for having having the udfas and a

1159
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: separate category is throwing me off. So I'm gonna have

1160
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: to fix that for next week's show. So I'm not confused.

1161
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry Austin Hooper, Jahean Bell, the Michael Petway, Mitchell Wilcox,

1162
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: and everybody's favorite number eighty seven Cox.

1163
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: I got the mixed up.

1164
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh oops. Anyways, Hooper and Henry are on the team, right.

1165
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: I think those guys, I don't think he's a rostered lock,

1166
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: but I think he's what's the next rung below a lock,

1167
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: like a pretty sure expected to make the team. Let's

1168
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: call it that. I think his experience in this offense

1169
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: just kind of puts him on a different rung than

1170
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: some of these other guys. I think Jahene Bell is

1171
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: going to make this team. I'm really I've kind of

1172
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: jazzed up about Jaem Bell.

1173
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: We said last week he's my pound for pal my

1174
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: favorite pick of the draft.

1175
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: I just look at that that the two things that

1176
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: he does really well. Pull up leak again, stretch the seam.

1177
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: He stretches the scene really well. Four six one, third

1178
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: fastest time at the Combine this year among tight ends,

1179
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: seventy fifth percentile for weight adjusted. You know, you run

1180
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: four to six to one at two hundred and forty

1181
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: pounds that you're moving. Really good ball carrier, you know

1182
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: broke twelve tackles with the ball in his hands last year.

1183
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: And after the catch, really good run after the catch player. Yeah,

1184
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: so you add those two things up, you add his

1185
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: versatility in the blocking game. You know, in the run game,

1186
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: he's not an inline blocker, like he's not gonna put

1187
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: his hand in the dirt. He's not gonna be the

1188
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: other eighty seven and you know, dig out a defensive

1189
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: end or something like that. It's just not gonna be

1190
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: his skill set. But in this offense, you have that

1191
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: h back full back. You know, he's Harrison Bryan a

1192
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: little bit like that in Cleveland over the last couple

1193
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: of years. Off the line player, wing player. If you

1194
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: give him a head of steam and you get him

1195
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: blocking like body types like smaller linebackers, safety's corners, right

1196
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: secondary guys, then he's more than capable of blocking because

1197
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: he's an athletic guy and he's not afraid to block.

1198
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: He's just not very big. So he's not one of

1199
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: these guys that I watch on film and I'm like,

1200
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: effort's a big issue here in the run game. It's

1201
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: not effort. It's just he's six to two and forty pounds.

1202
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 2: He's not a big dude. But if you get him

1203
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: on the move, you get him fitting up to the

1204
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: second and third level of the defense, you get him

1205
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: leading through the hole as like a full really like

1206
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: as a full back, and you get him on a

1207
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty pound linebacker, you get him on

1208
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: a safety he can hold his own in the run game.

1209
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: So the fact that he's got this versatility in the

1210
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: blocking game is interesting. He can play off the line,

1211
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: he can play in the backfield, I can play out

1212
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: of the slot and kind of play that jumbo slot role.

1213
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: He runs the scene exceptionally. Well. That's probably his best

1214
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: part of his game is how he can stretch the

1215
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: field vertically and then he can run with the ball.

1216
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: They don't have anybody else on the roster that does

1217
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: those things at that position. Like Hunter Henry is mister reliable.

1218
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: He's your quarterback friendly's safety blanket. Ye, Austin Hooper is

1219
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: the guy has got experience and a veteran and has

1220
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: experienced in this offense. Great, all well and good. Neither

1221
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: one of those guys are explosive, like Jaian Bellis.

1222
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: No, he gives them something they don't have, which we

1223
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: get to Jacob Warren as well, But he gives them

1224
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: something they don't have in his skill set in particular,

1225
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: if they were still running the Josh McDaniels offense, I'd

1226
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: be less excited. Yeah, but it's that skill set in

1227
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: this offense in particular. Yeah, that's so exciting.

1228
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get play action. You know, you get blue

1229
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: leggs off of it. Run that submarine route where the

1230
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: player just kind of goes from one side of the formation,

1231
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: the leagu's underneath the line into the flat. You run

1232
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: a crossing route at the first or second level where

1233
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: the linebackers are all fitting up to the run, and

1234
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: then you get them behind them running the linebackers, and

1235
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: he's just running a foot race across the field. That's

1236
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: what this offense is all about, is horizontally stretching the

1237
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: defense and then just creating foot races out all over

1238
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: the field for your faster guys in that room. He's

1239
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna be the fastest guy. And I think that's gonna

1240
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: be close. His coach down at Florida State told me

1241
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: that he's gonna he puts on a show in practice,

1242
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: like he's a really good practice player, and so I

1243
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: think that he's gonna pop in training camp and all

1244
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 2: those types of things as well. It would be good

1245
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: in the preseason, I'm sure too, when they give him

1246
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: those opportunities. I'm not telling you sitting here telling you

1247
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: that Jahem Bell is gonna be you know whatever. He's

1248
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: not gonna be Hall of Fame player.

1249
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't.

1250
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's gonna be a useful player,

1251
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think that we should treat him like

1252
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: a normal seventh round pick. I think it's similar to

1253
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas last year being a sixth round guy.

1254
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: We both had him. I think I was a little

1255
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: higher on him. The item is like a free top

1256
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: one hundred guy. So I had him in the like

1257
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: a fifth round grade on him, but like that should

1258
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: be a guy that goes the late four to thirdly fifth. Yeah,

1259
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, just based off the board. You don't have

1260
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: thirty two picks, you know, thirty two guys graded in

1261
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: each round, So you know that should have been he

1262
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: should have been, in my mind, like a fifth round

1263
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: pick I worst, and he ended up falling to the seventh.

1264
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: And when I was talking to Naggy about him, I

1265
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that he mentioned about you know why,

1266
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: is because teams view him as a tweeter.

1267
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: Is he a receiver? Is he a tight end? Is

1268
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: he a full back?

1269
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1270
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: What is he? You know, he doesn't necessarily have a

1271
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: home right now in terms of his position, and a

1272
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: lot of teams get scared off by that because they

1273
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: just don't want to be bothered with trying to figure

1274
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: it out. They don't want to be bothered with the

1275
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: puzzle of like where are we going to put this guy?

1276
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: So that that I think is a big reason why

1277
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: he fell so far was just teams overthinking it and

1278
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: just not being very creative honestly with their usage. I

1279
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: have confidence that a VP is going to be creative,

1280
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: like I think he knows, is going to know how

1281
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: to use this guy.

1282
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: They're in a unique spot for him too. We're kind

1283
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: of add on to that. Part of the reason I

1284
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: think he felt was you have to no team has

1285
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: a role in their offense for Jernkian Bell, you were

1286
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to create one. And I don't know, I

1287
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams look at that and say, well,

1288
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: he's not that great that like do we really want

1289
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: to go through the whole process and he's not that

1290
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: building this role where the Patriots, Well, you're rewriting the

1291
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: playbook anyway, you're writing a brand new playbook anyway. So

1292
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, you might as well take a

1293
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: shot on a guy like that.

1294
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of just routes and things

1295
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: that they did. I mentioned Harrison Bryant. Yeah, I mentioned

1296
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: him because I think in terms of production that you know,

1297
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: he's a two hundred and tw hundred and fifty yard guy.

1298
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: I think Jim Bell could be better than that.

1299
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think the zerlines comp form is uh.

1300
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: In Djoku, I think that was Jdavian Sanders.

1301
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, you're right. Somebody had him com to n Joku.

1302
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: Though I don't think he's in Joku because in joke.

1303
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: I was surprised by it, but somebody had it.

1304
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: Remember, Joko's bigger, much bigger.

1305
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Right when he's like day three.

1306
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: And Joko's a specimen. But I do you think is

1307
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: that there was a lot of routes, vertical routes in

1308
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: particular off of those run actions that in Djoko ran

1309
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: in Cleveland that jaheenm Bell will be able to run here,

1310
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: So it's.

1311
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: Gonna be interesting.

1312
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't he's you know, I've had some people ask me,

1313
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: is he like a Kyle Hughes Check, No, I don't.

1314
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: I think he's a much more natural pass catcher than

1315
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: Kyle use check.

1316
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: He's also not as fluid of a mover. Yeah, I just.

1317
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: Feel like he catches the ball like a little bit

1318
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: more dynamically than a Kyle use Check. I think he's

1319
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: gonna be more of a factor. I think you Check's

1320
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: a much better blocker, probably has better ed instincts, smarter

1321
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: football player, like all those types of things. But I

1322
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: think that with this player, I'm excited about it. I

1323
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: know there's some other people that are excited about Jacob

1324
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: Warren or at least think that he has a chance

1325
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: because of his size and his inline blocking ability as well.

1326
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's We're gonna talk a lot about him, you know,

1327
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: in camp and leading up to things, and they need

1328
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end and he's probably the best fit

1329
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: for that on the roster. Now, they're not gonna I

1330
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna care for tight ends, No, I don't.

1331
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: But Warren's a guy to me that gets on the

1332
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: practice squad, gets some early elevations to play that role,

1333
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: and then maybe he's on the roster come October.

1334
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's. He's sort of like they've had a

1335
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: couple of guys like that recently that they've made the

1336
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: practice squad or put him on the practice squad and

1337
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: they elevate him for the game and he's got that

1338
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: short yardage, you know, goal line.

1339
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a decent enough goal line receiver. You're not

1340
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, bombs away to him, but he's

1341
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: a decent enough right Yeah.

1342
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Where he might you know, he might only play if

1343
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: he plays at all on special teams in a couple snaps,

1344
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, in situational football on offense. The other thing

1345
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: about Jim Bell really quickly before we move on from

1346
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: tight ends, he was an outstanding special teams player at

1347
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: Florida State, a guy that has really got three or

1348
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: four phase potential on special teams because a bigger guy

1349
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: that can run in space and is not afraid to

1350
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: get physical as well. So his coaches were really really

1351
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: high on him as a special teams player and thought

1352
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: that he has like elite potent on special teams. And

1353
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: if you're going to be a third tight end on

1354
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: the roster and kind of have this unique, you know,

1355
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: utility man type of role offensively, you got to make

1356
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: yourself more valuable than that. And if he can be

1357
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: really impact special teams player, then that's there, you go.

1358
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: That's the roster spot right there.

1359
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: That's how you win that.

1360
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's open up the phone lines. Christian

1361
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: is in La what's up, Christian?

1362
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 5: Good morning? Here got three quick things. One, I think

1363
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 5: at running back, would it be prudent to picked up

1364
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 5: a Dalvin Cook that sure, he basically you know, saves

1365
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: his legs, hack a couple of thousand years one thousand

1366
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 5: yards and seases just before that, So it seems like

1367
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: a really good pickup for the for the winning back groupe. Secondly,

1368
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 5: on Drake may I think for me, what would be

1369
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 5: contingent from them playing is how the offensive line and

1370
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 5: the receivers developed. If the offensive line can put a

1371
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 5: consistent wall in front of him and he's confident and

1372
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 5: feel ready to play as you can play him.

1373
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 4: But if the.

1374
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 5: Offensive line of Swiss Cheese and the guys aren't getting

1375
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: any coming this deeparation and home for him to hold

1376
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 5: the ball. I mean, let's face that, he's gonna miss

1377
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 5: some protection reads, he's gonna make some you know, some

1378
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 5: back balby line. He's gonna get lit up once or twice.

1379
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: But I just don't want him in a position to

1380
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 5: get lit up a bunch in his development. And then lastly,

1381
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 5: I see jackiem Bell with the change they made to

1382
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 5: the way the kickoff goes, he's perfect to be to

1383
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 5: be the kick receiver. Yeah, Frst you guys, thank.

1384
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: You, thanks for the call. Christ Christian.

1385
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So on the kickoff returns, I had talked to

1386
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: the guys of the people I talked to with jahim Bell.

1387
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: I asked about that because I thought the same thing. Yeah,

1388
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: you know, four to six to one speed, two hundred

1389
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: and forty pounds, good contact balance, can run, you know,

1390
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: has that running back background at South Carolina to read

1391
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and kind of break through the line. Obviously,

1392
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: as coaches said, Yeah, he could do anything if you

1393
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: can to put his mind to it, right, But I

1394
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: feel like it's possible. I think the one thing that

1395
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: you look at with him is that he's not going

1396
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: to have the home run speed like so he'll get

1397
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: through the line and he'll probably and he has that

1398
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: ability to run through an arm tackle and maybe create

1399
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: a twenty yard return, twenty five yard return. My fear

1400
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: with him would be that he get caught from behind

1401
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: and so you probably wouldn't get those true explosive returns.

1402
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want you want Burners back there on Dalvin

1403
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: Cook saved his legs is an interesting way. I think.

1404
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: So he's in Baltimore. Now I'm pretty sure he's under

1405
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: free agent.

1406
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: Are you sure?

1407
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: Because PFR says he's under contract with the Ravens.

1408
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: Ummm does it? I thought he he signed with them

1409
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: last year, like in the playoffs.

1410
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: I'll look on their roster page, keep going.

1411
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: Um oh wow, that was like yesterday they oh no, sorry,

1412
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: could resign. I'm seeing Ravens writers saying they could resign

1413
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. Okay, so maybe he is a free agent. Yeah,

1414
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: saved his legs is an interesting way of saying he

1415
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: wasn't very good and couldn't get on the field. Yeah.

1416
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's not on their roster yet.

1417
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, pass maybe like not right now. Let's see

1418
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: if we get to August first and he's still available

1419
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: and Kevin Harris isn't showing it and Deshaun Fenwick's not

1420
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: showing it, we can have the conversation. But for now,

1421
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to use a ross spot

1422
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: on him. And then the other point on Drake May

1423
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: was a good one. That's another big part of whether

1424
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: or not he's ready to start. Even if he looks ready,

1425
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: if the offensive line is a mess, I'm not putting

1426
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: him back there. And take the beating.

1427
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so on Dalvin Cook, I'm with you. I actually

1428
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: thought Zeke showed more burst, more and more juice.

1429
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: That was better than Cook last Yeah, what was this

1430
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: show saying at the time. Oh, I can't believe they

1431
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: they're cheap. They won't spend on Dalvin Cook. You're getting

1432
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: the same guy nobody wants. And Zeke Elliott much better player.

1433
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a much better player he was on May.

1434
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: The one thing I will say about the offensive line, obviously,

1435
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: if we're talking about an absolute siven offensive line where

1436
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: there's guys running through untouched all the time, then I'm

1437
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: with you all right. I feel like that's where where

1438
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: you know the times last year the line looked like that,

1439
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: where you know it was just right tackle.

1440
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: I think it could look like that again. This Yere

1441
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: right tackle was a turnstile. You know.

1442
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: They didn't pick up guys very well post snap. They

1443
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: weren't picking up stunts very well. There's just there was

1444
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on the quarterback. I'm with you

1445
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: all that. I don't want him back there. I don't

1446
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: want him getting sped up. I don't want his feet

1447
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: getting them all out of whack because of that what

1448
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: that being said, one of the reasons why you draft

1449
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: a guy like Drake May is because he is impervious

1450
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 2: to pressure to an extent, and he's a bigger guy

1451
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: that can take the hits, that is mobile, that can

1452
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: run and can escape and extend plays on his own.

1453
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: He's got a really good.

1454
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: Feel for pocket movement for the most part, and understanding

1455
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: where the pressure points might be coming from and drifting

1456
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: in the pocket to buy himself more time. So if

1457
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: the line is serviceable, I don't need the line to

1458
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: be elite for Drake May to play, I guess, is

1459
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: the point I'm getting at. If it's serviceable, I'm cool

1460
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: with Drake May playing because I think that that's part

1461
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: of the package that you're getting with.

1462
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: But I would even give it a couple of weeks

1463
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: so you see where the issues are, so he knows

1464
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: going and where the issues are.

1465
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really really good at that North Carolina

1466
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: last year in particular, where he would know, you know,

1467
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: field side pressures coming right and I'm gonna drift to

1468
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: my right and throw that ball against Clemson off my back.

1469
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: But some of that is some of knowing that is

1470
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: knowing who your lineman are and he hasn't played with

1471
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: these guys before and that's not really something you can

1472
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: simulate in camp. So getting to watch his own offense

1473
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: on film before he steps into it, I think could

1474
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: be benefits.

1475
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I just think that we don't need

1476
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: the offensive line to be you know, the prime Dallas.

1477
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: If you're waiting for the offensive line be perfect to

1478
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: put him in, he's never gonna get in.

1479
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think he needs it to be perfect.

1480
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: The receivers are a different story. I do think that

1481
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: that can be something that last year, as much as

1482
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: I felt like he handled a lot of the issues

1483
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: at North Carolina really well mentally, you know, not getting

1484
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: too frustrated, not getting too down on himself there, they

1485
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: had some receiver issues last year. They had a lot

1486
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: of drops, they had you know, just didn't have a

1487
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: ton going on there that was really great. You know,

1488
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: they lose Josh downs to the NFL and all that.

1489
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: You know, here we are. I think that's maybe a

1490
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: little bit of a bigger factor, because I do think

1491
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: it can be especially if I know he shouldn't be

1492
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: reading his statistics and all that kind of stuff, but

1493
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: we read Josh Allen's stats from his rookie year. If

1494
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: he's like a fifty three percent completion rate guy and

1495
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: all that, Like, I worry about that a little bit.

1496
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: I do.

1497
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: So I think that the receivers and these rookies look decent,

1498
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: and they look like they are gonna be impact players,

1499
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: and you have pop and you have a couple of

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: these tight ends we talked about, then maybe you start

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01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: to feel a little bit good about all of it.

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, there's there's definitely an element that

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01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: the whole pie needs to be ready to go to

1504
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: throw Drake May in there. But it's not gonna be perfect,

1505
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: and he's this team is too far away for us

1506
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: to sit here and say that he's gonna be dropped

1507
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: into a great situation. It's it's gonna be a little

1508
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: bit money for him at times. All Right, Todd is

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: in North Carolina.

1510
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: What's up? Todd?

1511
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 6: Let him to start by saying, this is the real

1512
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 6: show on Patriots dot Com. Oh, talkie show.

1513
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh I like that.

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, now here's where it is. I did ask them,

1516
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 6: and I think it was on at the time, what

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 6: you be satisfied with looking in the coming year? And

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01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 6: then I listened to you guys this morning, and I

1519
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 6: kind of figured out where i'd be. Originally, I thought

1520
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 6: the team would be about six and eleven. I figured

1521
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 6: we could get to seven and ten. And I want

1522
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 6: to see the defense start out being in the top

1523
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 6: ten defense and then ending up in the top five

1524
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 6: defense when our offense starts to come on. I want

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 6: to see by the end of the year as have

1526
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 6: a balanced attack with running and testing. And that's kind

1527
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 6: of how I see the evolution of this year going.

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01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 6: Like I still think we have a top ten defense

1529
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 6: to start the year, I'm not sure about that. I'd

1530
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 6: like to hear what you guys think. Thanks guys, breaks show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Todd, appreciate it, and I agree that this is

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01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: the real football junkie show at Patriots dot Com. I

1533
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: think the thing about the defense, and I've said this

1534
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: before about the defense, and I'm glad he called an

1535
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: asked because I know we're offense heavy for another show.

1536
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: I really am bullish on the Patriots defense, and it's

1537
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: not a Homer take. I just really think they got

1538
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: a ton of talent on that side of the ball.

1539
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: They have, in my mind, on paper, one of the

1540
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: best defenses in football. Now, the two questions that you

1541
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: have are, yeah, there are are gonna be some guys,

1542
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, Jeannga pieces in terms of health. You know,

1543
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: we saw what happened last year without Christian Gonzalez and

1544
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon. It wasn't that they were a bad defense.

1545
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: They just weren't an impact defense.

1546
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1547
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: They weren't turning the ball over like crazy, they weren't

1548
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 2: creating negative plays like crazy. There wasn't a lot of

1549
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: pressure on the quarterback at times. Those things are going

1550
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: to be really really on Judon to come back and

1551
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: be Judon and so that's big. And then obviously you

1552
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: need to Gonzale is going to have to prove that

1553
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: he can stay healthy. As much as I hate doing

1554
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: that whole thing. You know, the guy tore his labor

1555
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 2: him on a tackle and it was not really indicative.

1556
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't think of any long term issues with durability.

1557
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: But he is somebody that is a little bit thinner,

1558
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's not a big guy. Play strength was

1559
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: a concern coming in. Frame, build, all that stuff was

1560
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: a concern coming in. So he's gonna have to prove

1561
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: that he can stay healthy. But you would be hard

1562
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: pressed to find a defense other than maybe the defense

1563
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 2: down in Baltimore or out in San Francisco that has

1564
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: bar more Judon Gonzales as like core blue chip guys.

1565
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: Then you have a second wave of players that I

1566
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: like to call, you know, Bill's lunch Paiale guys like

1567
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 2: the Juwan Bentley's and the Dietrich Wises and Devon Goushaw.

1568
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

1569
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 2: Those players Jelani.

1570
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: Tavai Anthony Jennings might be some of the most underrated

1571
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: guys in the league.

1572
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm getting there. Then, I think you have the real

1573
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: X factors on this team too, like Dugger and Jabriel Peppers.

1574
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: That if Peppers is as good as he was last

1575
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 2: year and Kyle Dugger now he's got the contract and

1576
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 2: has the security, yeah, hopefully he's back playing in a

1577
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: better role. I think those two guys could really tilt

1578
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: the scales even further. I look at the Patriots defense

1579
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: on paper, and there there's really health is always paramount.

1580
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 2: You gotta stay healthy. And how much do they lose

1581
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: without Bill in terms of the x's and o's and

1582
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: the brain trust.

1583
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: Side of it.

1584
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I think DeMarcus Covington and Girod Mayo can

1585
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: do it, like, I think they'll be fine. But the

1586
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: game plan aspect, the crystal ball like all that kind

1587
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: of stuff. He's Bill Belichick, you're gonna take it. You're

1588
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose a little something there. But I think

1589
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: in general, on paper, I I don't and I don't know.

1590
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: If it's d v O A, if it's points, like

1591
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: whatever your metric is that you want to want to

1592
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: measure it with its points.

1593
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: Whatever it is. Sure they go outside, look at that scoreboards,

1594
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: DVOA up there. No, but points is points? Context that's needed? No, No,

1595
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: there's not. When it comes to it is what about

1596
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks?

1597
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: You faced? What about the conditions you were playing in?

1598
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: What about you know, good defense doesn't good defense doesn't points. Okay,

1599
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: this is like we were getting into this the Bruins.

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: The people were saying, oh, you look at the expected goals,

1601
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: but they didn't score them. That's what they are expected

1602
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: points last night points and yeah points and then it's turnovers.

1603
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough. I think that that's a big one.

1604
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: You hear. Those are the two metrics I'm looking at.

1605
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: The one on the second one I think is big

1606
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: they have if they're gonna be as good as I

1607
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: think they can be. They have to turn the ball

1608
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: over more.

1609
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: Those are I'll give you my three big metrics for defense.

1610
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: Points is number one above everything else. The second is turnovers,

1611
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: and the third is red zone efficiency.

1612
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 2: Third down I think is important too.

1613
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the grow up watching Bill Belichick for

1614
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: twenty years. In me, you're getting off the field without

1615
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: allowing points, dank and dunk between the twenties all they want.

1616
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I mean I care.

1617
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: I think the situation will sit like they'red down in

1618
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: red zon third down would probably be fourth.

1619
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: But I do think you can be a very effective

1620
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: deep Now you have to be insanely well conditioned because

1621
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on the field a lot. But if

1622
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: you want to call situational third, I would put a

1623
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: little more emphasis on red zone over third down. Personally,

1624
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: if you want to argue the other way around, I

1625
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: think that's no.

1626
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: I agree with you that red zones above it. But

1627
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: I think to me, other than points and for me

1628
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: the nerd stats, I think the biggest thing to look

1629
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: at with defense or turnover, red zone third down, like

1630
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: because those I think are the major ones of like

1631
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: are you, how are you impacting the game? You know,

1632
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: at a high level that goes beyond just keeping teams

1633
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 2: out of the end zone, but actually is forcing three

1634
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: and outs, turning the football over. It does allow you

1635
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: to just win field positions so much. You know, in

1636
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two they really won all those games and

1637
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: almost made the playoffs because the defense was in plus territory.

1638
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 2: The offense was in plus territory so often. So I

1639
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: think that those things are big, big factors. I just

1640
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: really think that the I don't think that it's at

1641
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: all a Homer take or at all, you know, Rose

1642
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 2: color Glass, I think this defense really is loaded.

1643
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: The one question I have, and the thing about Bill's

1644
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: a fair point, The one question I have in terms

1645
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: of the players is the cornerback depth chart behind Gonzales. Yeah,

1646
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: and the other lunch pail guy didn't mention was John

1647
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 1: John Jones. So we'll get to this more next week. Briefly,

1648
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant was basically their starting slot corner last year

1649
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: until injuries just tore the whole thing apart. But is

1650
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: do they trust Marcus Jones to be their full time

1651
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: slot corner? If yes, Jonathan Jones goes back to the boundary,

1652
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: that's your base corner personnel, Gonzales, Jones, Jones. Yeah, you're

1653
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: in decent shape. And we see who the third corner

1654
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: is between, like Alex Austen and Marco Wilson and Isaiah

1655
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: Bolden and Dial and Marcel's dial. If they don't trust

1656
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones full time in the slot, the picture gets

1657
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: a little more blurry. Is John Jones moving back into

1658
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: the slot? Is he staying outside? Is it Sean Wade

1659
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: in the slot? If John Jones moves back inside, Now

1660
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: that group of dial In, Austin and Wilson, Now that's

1661
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: for your second boundary corner. That gets a little more hairy.

1662
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: What I'd love to see them do. We're talking about

1663
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 1: signing veterans. Just signed Stefan Gilmore. The whole thing becomes

1664
01:14:59,280 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: so much clear.

1665
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: Like you said about writing backs, I think they want

1666
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: to give these kids a chance.

1667
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: I think so too. And look it doesn't have to

1668
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: be today. But yeah, if you have Gonzalez Gilmore, John

1669
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: Jones in the slot, your third boundary corner becomes the

1670
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: Alex Austin teer. Whoever you have Marcus Jones is your

1671
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: backup slot. Corner and just like you, Miles Bryant, utility man. Right, yeah,

1672
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: now now you're cooking. Now you're really talking about taking

1673
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: that thing. To know. I know, Steph isn't the player

1674
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: he was.

1675
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 2: He's a really he'd be a good number two.

1676
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: But right now is your second corner and the value

1677
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: of him training Gonzalez, who's a similar player, Yeah, that

1678
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: would take the thing. Toe, I hear you.

1679
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: I think I'm all for them bringing back Stefan Gilmore.

1680
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: I think though that they'll be all right. And what

1681
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that is going to happen is that one

1682
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 2: of these younger guys, Bolden dial Austin allows them to

1683
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: push John Jones back in.

1684
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: See that's that's the best case scenario.

1685
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 2: I do also think that they're going to play a

1686
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: decent amount of big nickel and have like a Jabriel

1687
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: Peppers play as like a slot defender, especially against teams

1688
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: that run real base offenses, you know, twelve personnel or

1689
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 2: something like that. I do think that that's gonna be

1690
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: a lot early downs. And so really what we're talking

1691
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: about in terms of getting three corners out there might

1692
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: be more of like a third down, you know, past

1693
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: games type of thing, And ideally I would like in

1694
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: those situations John Jones to move back into inside to Nickel.

1695
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: And then you have dial Austin Bolden, one of those

1696
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 2: guys Mikey Victor.

1697
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't even know who that is.

1698
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: I do know who he is, but I know six ' two.

1699
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: All American at the FCS level last year. I've got

1700
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: something there.

1701
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: I'm I'm you know, Teeney, and I know it was

1702
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,919
Speaker 2: offensive reset we're doing defense, but teeny Weeny bit interested

1703
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: in in isaaa Golden coming back? I thought he had

1704
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: to start the camp last year. That injury stunk like

1705
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 2: that was such a down downer for the whole start

1706
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: of the year. And I know, I'm not even I'm

1707
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: not saying the Patriots were gonna like be a super

1708
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: Bowl team last year if this didn't happen. But Isaiah

1709
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 2: Bolden getting knocked out against Green Bay and then like

1710
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: us coming home instead of going to Tennessee, and like

1711
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: that whole thing just derailed the whole plan for training camp.

1712
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden, thank god, is okay, you know, and it

1713
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: really didn't have it doesn't sound like any long term

1714
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: ramifications from that, but that whole thing stunk, So I'm

1715
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: rooting for him. I hope that he comes back and

1716
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: is a player for them. Yeah, all right, Uh, receivers,

1717
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: wand receivers and then we'll and uh we'll do line

1718
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: and receivers. Then we can end with all these emails.

1719
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: I getting a lot of emails, So thanks for that. Uh,

1720
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: ready for me to name the eleven receivers that they

1721
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: currently have on.

1722
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: They have no ud face. You're gonna get them all

1723
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: fair enough.

1724
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 2: Juju Smith, Schuster, Kendrick Bourne, Tomorrow, Douglas, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker,

1725
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: kJ Osborne, Jalen Rager, Taekwon Thorton, Kishan Boody, Kawan Baker,

1726
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: TJ Luther eleven. So I I this is not a

1727
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 2: depth chart. I just ordered it this way because I

1728
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: put the veterans at the top of the pie and

1729
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: for the most part, you know, returning guys. So I

1730
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: think the couple of questions that I have. First of all,

1731
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: what do they do with Juju Smith Shooster. I mean,

1732
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: they they gotta find a way, I think, to try

1733
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: to offload Juju. Yeah, and I I don't think Juju

1734
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 2: is as bad of a guy as some people do.

1735
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: Like just in terms of his personality and some of

1736
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: the you know, the TikTok stuff, Like, I think he's

1737
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: been a good soldier here for the most part. He

1738
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: just doesn't have the juice anymore, man Like, he just

1739
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have it anymore in his legs. And I just

1740
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: feel like there's not a lot of opportunity for him

1741
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: because they're gonna want to play the younger guys. He's

1742
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: just gonna be taking up space on the bench and

1743
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: taking up a fat part of their cap, you know,

1744
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: for no reason. And I know they don't. They have

1745
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: all the cap space in the.

1746
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: World still, so well, that's all the more reason for

1747
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: you can eat money and trade them.

1748
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: I wonder if they did cut him loose and eat

1749
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: the dead cap hit this year and move on.

1750
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: I think a seventh round pick for Johnners Smith. I mean,

1751
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if they got something for him, maybe the

1752
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: city they're gonna, yeah, maybe one of the teams that

1753
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: have has have had him before, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, maybe

1754
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: one of those teams.

1755
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: You know, Kansas City has added a lot of receivers though,

1756
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, they they drafted you know a lot of

1757
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: guys and they've I think they're there, might be bringing

1758
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: in Zay Jones too, like they they brought in a

1759
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 2: lot of guys. But I just the whole juju of

1760
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: it all is just they I think that for everybody's

1761
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: sake having him around and having him not playing but

1762
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: being the most expensive receiver on the roster, that just

1763
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: doesn't for vibes, that's just not a good idea.

1764
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I it's it's tough to see. And also

1765
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: just they've talked about playing the kids and and he's

1766
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: not gonna play. It's on you figure it's it's gonna

1767
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: be a weird situation having him around.

1768
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: The other thing I think is gonna be a little

1769
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: bit weird is kJ Osborne, who I think is gonna

1770
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: be on this team. I think so too, and I

1771
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: think that he actually could help and contribute. But you

1772
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: drafted two guys in Jalen Polk and Javon Baker that

1773
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: need to get on the field, and I think with

1774
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: Polk especially, but I think with both of them, there's

1775
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: actually a little bit of a skill set overlap there

1776
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: with kJ Osbourne, and there's already a little bit of

1777
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: overlap with Kendrick Bourne as well. Like there's a very

1778
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: good chance that kJ Osborne was signed to not play,

1779
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna be on the team. He's

1780
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 2: probably the fifth receiver. And it's not a juju situation

1781
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: where they gave him this huge contract and it's awkward

1782
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: and it's weird, but I do think it's a little

1783
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 2: bit interesting that they they targeted kJ Osbourne. I'd say

1784
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: I didn't give him huge money. I get that, but

1785
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 2: they looked at him as a guy after Calvin Ridley,

1786
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: you know, they pivoted quickly to kJ Osborne. I wonder

1787
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: where his fit in all of this is. Now that

1788
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: they drafted all these guys.

1789
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: He can't have two young for room. You need some

1790
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: veterans in there, right and Pop Douglas's just coming off,

1791
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's coming off his rookie year, and you

1792
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: drafted two guys and you need some veterans in there.

1793
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: And obviously he makes much less than Smith Schuster.

1794
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a factor as well with this, And Uh,

1795
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: the other thing I think is also interesting is, uh,

1796
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: we got Jalen Rager and we got Taekwon, and now

1797
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of battling for it if they

1798
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 2: do keep six guys and you have Born, you have Douglas,

1799
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 2: you have Polk, Baker Osborne I think are on the team.

1800
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: Whatever happens with Juju, happens with Juju.

1801
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: Well, you could put him into that battle for the

1802
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: six wide receiver. Maybe he proves the valuable mentor or something.

1803
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: To me, and I think they're gonna give you know,

1804
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are looking at this

1805
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 2: offense that they're going to be running and seeing some

1806
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: value with Taekwon, but he doesn't bring any return value.

1807
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: And since Jalen Rager does bring that return value, you

1808
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: have to be somebody that's going to contribute in the

1809
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: kicking game. I feel like to make a team as

1810
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: a sixth receiver, you.

1811
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: Know, right, and Rager does yeah, you know, kickturn.

1812
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: Option, primary kick guy really quickly. The rookies, Baker Polk,

1813
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: I don't even know what expectations are for them right now.

1814
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a it's a something that

1815
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 2: we're going to have to look and you know, see

1816
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: kind of what Drake May we're saying the same thing.

1817
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see you when we get out there.

1818
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: I do think that Jalen Polk is gonna play a

1819
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: lot right away.

1820
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: I think he could be a guy that's not just

1821
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: playing a lot early, but involved a lot of early.

1822
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: You dropped him with a top forty pick. He is

1823
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: one of those like steady, high floor type of guys.

1824
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 2: That's the reputation you're getting with him. I think he

1825
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: plays early and often as well. So, uh, there's receivers.

1826
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't really think there's very much else to say

1827
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: about it right now. I know it's a position that

1828
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: people are excited about.

1829
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: We got to see it. There's just so much we

1830
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: have to see.

1831
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say about receivers and then murray, we're

1832
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: gonna take a break. If that's okay, Yeah, he's good tomorrow. Douglas.

1833
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: Don't don't forget about Pop Douglas. Don't forget about him.

1834
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are sitting here saying,

1835
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: you know, where's the speed in this group, where's the dynamic,

1836
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 2: big playability, where's the yak? You know, where's all these things?

1837
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: It's Pop Douglas. It's all Pop Douglas. And the one

1838
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: thing that you know, I go back to now and

1839
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: think about in twenty twenty two, Drake May's best season

1840
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: in college. He has Josh Downs. I think is a

1841
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: really similar player. We talked about those tiers z A Flowers,

1842
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 2: Josh Downs, Pop Douglas on day three. I think Pop

1843
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Douglas is gonna be a big, big part of all this,

1844
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: and it might be in less volume or maybe similar volume.

1845
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: But maybe that's the ceiling is what we saw last

1846
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: year in terms of production for right now. But I

1847
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: think that you know, so many people are well, they

1848
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: don't have any dynamic movers, they don't have any speed,

1849
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,440
Speaker 2: they don't have any you know, explosiveness. I think they

1850
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: they've known this whole time that they do because it's

1851
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: I think it's Douglas is the guy. Yeah, all right,

1852
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll wrap

1853
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: this up.

1854
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,320
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Speaker 1: Hello.

1900
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: I think it's great that the only reason why we

1901
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: take a break on this show is when one of

1902
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 2: us has to use the restroom. That's it. You know,

1903
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: we're not breaking for lunch like on PU or not.

1904
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: You know, Paul's not hungry. You know, we don't have

1905
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: to break for lunch. The only reason why we take

1906
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: a break here is when one of us has to

1907
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom.

1908
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: So are you Are you good? I'm good?

1909
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 2: Let's go, okay, little finish strong? Now, all right, let's

1910
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 2: look at this.

1911
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: I was trying to wait till the end of the show,

1912
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: but I could see myself shaking in the chair. And

1913
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: as this isn't good for it.

1914
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: No, you gotta take care of business. You gotta take

1915
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 2: care of business. All right, offensive line, we have fifteen

1916
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: names and then a couple of UFA is.

1917
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: On top of that, so it's more than fifteen.

1918
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: So we's seventeen seventeen offensive linemen here. So here we

1919
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 2: go again, not in any particular order. This is just

1920
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: how I wrote him down for whatever reason. Chooks A

1921
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: corps for Darien, Calvin Anderson, Tyron Wheatley, Andrews Stuber, Mike

1922
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: on Wenu, Jake Andrews, Nick Leverett, Cole Strange, City so

1923
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson, Antonio Maffi, Michael Jordan, Not that Michael Jordan,

1924
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 2: This Michael Jordan, David Andrews, Caden Wallace, and then your

1925
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 2: udfas in the in the other column, uh Zuri Henry

1926
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: and Charles Turner. So that's your group. I think if

1927
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: the season were to start today, from left to right,

1928
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: left tackle choops corps four left guard is up in

1929
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: the air. Not because I think that if if I

1930
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 2: had to say the season started today, I'd give it

1931
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: to Cole Strange.

1932
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be healthy? Is he gonna be healthy?

1933
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: So let's just say Cold Strange for the sake of it,

1934
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 2: center David Andrews, right guard, City right tackle on Wenu.

1935
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,959
Speaker 1: I don't really see.

1936
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: That that changing a whole lot unless col Strange isn't

1937
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: healthy or Cayden Wallace is a player.

1938
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: Can Can we put Calvin Anderson in that discussion? I

1939
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: know we haven't, but part of that is here buck

1940
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: eye of these big injuries and not even injuries, health issues,

1941
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: and sometimes you wonder about their ability to come back.

1942
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: But I got to say, after reading the piece in

1943
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: the Boston Globe from Chris Price, great piece about what

1944
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: Anderson went through, dealing with malaria and all that, and

1945
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: just his drive to get back, It's like, this is

1946
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: not a guy that it doesn't sound like he you know,

1947
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: he plans on shutting it down anytime soon because of

1948
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: everything he went through. So I'll be honest, I kind

1949
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: of wrote him off a little bit because again, you

1950
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: hear those medical issue things and you kind of wonder

1951
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: what guy's futures are. But he's played left tackle. He's

1952
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: probably played left tackle more than any player currently on

1953
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: this roster in the NFL, So I think you have

1954
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: to put him in that conversation as well.

1955
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's played left tackle. He's got a really,

1956
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: really good athletic profile. That was part of the intrigue

1957
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 2: with him last year as well. And he's got decent

1958
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 2: tape at left tackle from Denver in twenty twenty two,

1959
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 2: like actual starter tape at that spot. He's got athleticism,

1960
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: he can move latterly. He fits his own scheme if

1961
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do with him, probably more

1962
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: than a man blocking scheme, just because he's not a

1963
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 2: bigger guy. You know, he's not a huge dude. So

1964
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of traits that fit what they

1965
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 2: want to do. And I know that the organization, you know,

1966
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: Mayo Wolf, they've been chokes a korps for heavy in

1967
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: terms of what's going to happen at left tackle.

1968
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: But I'm with you.

1969
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 2: I think Calvin Anderson, maybe he's just the swing tackle,

1970
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: maybe he's just the third guy in this rotation. But

1971
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what he looks like in this

1972
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: system because I do think it suits him what they're

1973
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 2: going to be doing in the run game. And that's

1974
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: the biggest question that I have, you know, other than

1975
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 2: how this all gets out there and it configured. The

1976
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 2: biggest question that I have with the offensive line still

1977
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: is do the pieces fit the system. And maybe we

1978
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: get into this, and we've talked about this before, Maybe

1979
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: we get into this and a VP two weeks into

1980
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: training camp, three weeks into training camp, once they get

1981
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: pads on and we really start, you know, getting into

1982
01:29:55,560 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 2: real football. He recognizes we got a three forty pound

1983
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 2: right tackle. That's you know, slower footed for a tackle

1984
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: we have, you know, Chukes is a bigger guy at

1985
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: left tackle. We just we don't really have the horses

1986
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: here to be running to be outside zone, right. We

1987
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: just don't have the horses. So maybe it becomes you know,

1988
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: they they run a gap a ton in Cleveland too,

1989
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: but they they run it more on the perimeter. So

1990
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: they're gonna run crack toss, they're gonna run counter, they're

1991
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 2: gonna run pin pole, which is pin pole is essentially

1992
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 2: the gap family version of outside zone. So there's other

1993
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: ways to run it and kind of get that same

1994
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: horizontal stretch of the defense if you want to do

1995
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I think that they could

1996
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: be dipping more into that. They're not gonna be Josh

1997
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 2: McDaniel's James Devlin, you know, lead iso, full back down

1998
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: your throat power. You know, they're not gonna be that

1999
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 2: kind of team, but counter trap, crack, toss, pin pole,

2000
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: those types of schemes that are are more suited to

2001
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: at least some of the guys being in a phone

2002
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: booth at the point of attack. You know, maybe the

2003
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: right side, you know, is more in a phone booth

2004
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 2: and isn't necessarily asked to have a ton of ranger

2005
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 2: lateral movement, and maybe you have other spots like the

2006
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: left side. Maybe the left side is Calvin Anderson and

2007
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Cole Strange and is a little bit more athletic and

2008
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: can get out and make those types of blocks. We'll see.

2009
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 1: The way that that all.

2010
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: Fits together with the scheme is interesting, and you know,

2011
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it's some of these younger guys too. You know,

2012
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of them are in the interior, but

2013
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: out of Cole Strange City so Landon Robinson from this year,

2014
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, Jake Anders, it's five guys for two spots.

2015
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: You got to be able to find two serviceable guards

2016
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 2: out of those fires. I feel like City Shows one, Yeah,

2017
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: I feel I think City Show is in a little

2018
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: bit of a different category than these guys. I think

2019
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: he's going to be a serviceable, functional starter.

2020
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: The real question is, I think it left guard unless

2021
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: you want to play City so at left guard because

2022
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: you think he's the better option. Yeah, it's cold strange.

2023
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: Leydon Robinson, Antonio Moffy. Do you want to throw in

2024
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: Jake Andrews and Charles Turner centers?

2025
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Charles Turner maybe just because he's a little

2026
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: bit bigger than Jake Andrews is the center.

2027
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Charles Turner's not that big.

2028
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 2: But he's not he's bigger than Jake Andrews.

2029
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he is.

2030
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Jake Andrews is a squatty guy. He's a he's a

2031
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: blocky dude.

2032
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Uh, hang on.

2033
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: I feel like with guard that's the biggest question now.

2034
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Listening to some people talk about Laydon Robinson that that

2035
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 2: he seems like somebody that's pretty pro ready. He's he's

2036
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: started a lot in college, played in the SEC. I

2037
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 2: think that that he's someone that could contend for a

2038
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 2: starting spot pretty early on. Uh and we'll so we'll

2039
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: see there.

2040
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: But Charles Turner six four to three oh three, Yeah,

2041
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: that's definitely bigger than Jake Andrews. Jake Andrews at the combine, Yeah,

2042
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: six three three oh five. He's six three six three

2043
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: three oh five, so he's an inch shorter and two

2044
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: pounds half.

2045
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm con cap on that there's no way Jake Andrews sixty.

2046
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Three as the Patriots ross and the Patriots.

2047
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 2: I've stood next to Jake Andrews and I am definitely

2048
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 2: not six three, and I don't know you're not. And

2049
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he towers over me.

2050
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Patriots m listed at sixty three three eight.

2051
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:17,879
Speaker 2: I did, I okay, and and I'm I'm five to eleven.

2052
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just telling you what's there, man, fair enough.

2053
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: Charles one of the bigger, one of the big knocks

2054
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: on Turner was his size. No, his bigger.

2055
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 2: His big knock is his anchor and like his play

2056
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 2: straight and his sand I was more talking about like

2057
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: length and hype.

2058
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think, well, hang on. So Charles Turner

2059
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms, yep, Jake Andrews thirty one and

2060
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: seven eight. So there's there's your docks. I'm right, I

2061
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: think that there's Jake Andrews has bigger hands. I think

2062
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: there's a.

2063
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 2: Chance because of that added length that Charles Turner brings

2064
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 2: to the table that he could play guard. But I

2065
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 2: don't think that they need him to play guard. They

2066
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: got seventeen guards. They got guards coming out of their wazoo.

2067
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 2: They got all sorts of guards. If they can't find

2068
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: two guards that can play out of the sick teen

2069
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: guards that they've drafted in the top one fifty over

2070
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, they're in trouble because that's

2071
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: not good scouting.

2072
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Well, we said that going into this year. They drafted

2073
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Laydon Robinson.

2074
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,879
Speaker 2: So even more so. Yeah, and they drafted Layden Robinson.

2075
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: I think at a point of the draft where they

2076
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: kind of went best player available, Yeah, because I still

2077
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: think that they wanted Troy Franklin. I think they wanted

2078
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 2: try Franklin. There he gets picked a pick before, and

2079
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 2: I think.

2080
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Well, but then why not go Javon Baker If you

2081
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: wanted a receiver, why not go Javon Baker with the

2082
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: first of those two picks.

2083
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's one one like hole in the

2084
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: whole thing.

2085
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I just like, look at look at how much we've

2086
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: grown where you're on here talking about running back depth,

2087
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: the third running back, the fourth running And meanwhile I'm

2088
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 1: here sitting all right enough at draft in the guards

2089
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: they've drafted playing you know how I feel. But that's

2090
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: something like you you came around on running back depth,

2091
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: I've come around on you've drafted enough guard.

2092
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: They have so many freaking guards it's insane. And I

2093
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 2: think the biggest reason why I'm I'm harping on on interior,

2094
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: offensive line and running back is because I know how

2095
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 2: they want to play, and they want to be a

2096
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 2: physical team up front. They want to run the football. Again,

2097
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 2: I keep going back to the same thing, like if

2098
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 2: you don't do those things well, this whole offense is

2099
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 2: like you, you're tearing down the whole offense. Like that's

2100
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: that's the core of the offense.

2101
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this in terms of to go

2102
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: back to the conversation about the competition of card spots.

2103
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Cole Strange at left and that's locked in,

2104
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: or they're gonna play City so at left, and the

2105
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: debate becomes it right, yep, if it chooks a Corps

2106
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: four or Calvin Anderson at left tackle. Does Kayden Wallace

2107
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: get added to that conversation as well because he played

2108
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: right guard in college a little bit.

2109
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 2: So I still think, and I'm gonna go to my

2110
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 2: grave with this, I still think that their best five

2111
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: is with Mike on Wentyway at right guard, and they're

2112
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 2: not gonna do it.

2113
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: And then he put Cayden Wallace at right tack.

2114
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've made it very very clear that he's playing

2115
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 2: right tackle. He said it to us. Was that last

2116
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: week that he's playing right tackle. They paid.

2117
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Somebody asked HI about left tackle.

2118
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 2: They plaid him like a right tackle their organization saying

2119
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 2: he's a right thing.

2120
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: He's on the money. I'm gonna have to let this go.

2121
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: The difference on the money is not that far off.

2122
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: He's the fifth highest paid right tackle in football. At guard,

2123
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: he would be the third highest paid. So it's not

2124
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: that nutch of a difference. And I'm probably gonna have

2125
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: to let this go. But no, stand on the table,

2126
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: wait for your take. No, when I say let this go,

2127
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: I just mean this is what they're doing. So like

2128
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is me with Mike and

2129
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:27,799
Speaker 1: when would right tackle all last summer.

2130
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the right thing to do. I

2131
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 2: think the right thing to do in my mind at

2132
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 2: this on the offensive line is Canden Wallace eventually gets

2133
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 2: assumes the role of right tackle, his natural position that

2134
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: he played at Penn State. We're not flipping sides. We're

2135
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: not doing all this crazy, you know, circus hoops to

2136
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: try to make this work. Caden Wallace at right tackle

2137
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 2: his natural position. Yes, Mike on went Who at right

2138
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 2: guard his natural position. David Andrews at center, we know

2139
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: his natural position. Left guard becomes a hunger game between

2140
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 2: Cole Strange, Leyden Robinson City so and you know, let's

2141
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: let the best player win that battle. And then for

2142
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,799
Speaker 2: right now Chukes plays left tackle.

2143
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: With me, if you're harping on natural positions, then your

2144
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: left tackle there's Calvin Anderson.

2145
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I didn't really think of Calvin Anderson

2146
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: until recently until the story.

2147
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: Can you get battled out?

2148
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 2: Chukes a core for And then I understand that everybody

2149
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 2: wants Rome to be built in a day, but we

2150
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 2: all know Rome is not built in one day. So

2151
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 2: next offseason we go into the draft, franchise left tackles

2152
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: your number one need. And then the most talk to

2153
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 2: me about Will Campbell Evans and in all likelihood you're

2154
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 2: probably gonna have a decent pick to attack that, and

2155
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: we will argue about Will Campbell and Calvin Banks Junior

2156
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 2: for the next four months after the season's over.

2157
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, we'll start to it in like November.

2158
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:55,919
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, offensive tackle or offensive line Will Campbell

2159
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 2: slash Kelvin Banks the two top tackles in the draft

2160
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 2: next year, ye whoever wins the hunger games at left

2161
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,440
Speaker 2: guard David Andrews, if he's still.

2162
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: Just Andrews, you can say Andrews.

2163
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 2: Andrews or maybe maybe Turner or maybe Turner get there.

2164
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 2: Right guard Mike On went right tackle Kaden Wallace. Now

2165
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 2: you're cooking with gas. Now you have a group. Everybody

2166
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 2: makes sense, everybody's in their natural spot, everybody fits it,

2167
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: just this whole. We talk about this all the time

2168
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. We taught we we killed them

2169
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 2: for it in the past. And just because Bill's not

2170
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 2: here anymore, I don't want to get let them off

2171
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 2: easy about what they're doing with this group. They're making

2172
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 2: right tackles, left tackles, left tackles, right tackles, guards tackling.

2173
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: Why why are we all over complicating everything? It makes

2174
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: no sense. It never ends up working right. It always

2175
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 2: in theory, it's like, oh, well he could play right tackle,

2176
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, he could play left tackle. It'll be fine,

2177
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 2: It'll all be fine. My plan basically, I left tackles

2178
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 2: your weak spot. You know, it's probably gonna be a

2179
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,040
Speaker 2: little bit of a weaker spot anyways regardless, but you

2180
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: have a placeholder at left tackle. That's all it is. Yeah,

2181
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 2: because next year you're gonna have the eighth overall pick

2182
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 2: and Calvin Banks Junior is going to be a Patriot

2183
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 2: and he's gonna and that he'll be your left tackle

2184
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: for the next five years, hopefully ten years, you know whatever.

2185
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: I just feel like, not only is that I think

2186
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 2: maximizing the group that you have currently, but I also

2187
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 2: think it's just like you're just dropping in the high

2188
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, drafted tackle next year and now you're hitting

2189
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 2: the ground running. You know that guy's gonna be able

2190
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 2: to play as a rule, But can't.

2191
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: You still do all that next year and and keep

2192
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: it the way you have it this year? Yeah?

2193
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 2: But then you're now on when who's going back to guard?

2194
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 2: And then you're just like you.

2195
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 1: You're giving you're giving a real full season. And when

2196
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: I say that, I include the off season in the

2197
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 1: build up, he's never had this at right tackle.

2198
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're giving him a reach. I think he's

2199
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a fine right tackle. I just think if

2200
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 2: it's fine, I maybe, but I just I still feel

2201
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 2: like they're ceiling as a group, as a five man

2202
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,839
Speaker 2: unit is higher with him at guard and Caden Wallace

2203
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 2: at right tackle, because that's where everybody should be. And

2204
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: I just feel like, as a group.

2205
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: What if you come out, what if Mike when it

2206
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 1: comes down as like a really good right tackle because

2207
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: he's actually had the chance to work on it, and

2208
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: then you have on when who so? Are Kit and

2209
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: Wallace at right guard? Andrews or Turner? You figured it out?

2210
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 1: It left guard? You can still add the left tackle

2211
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: next year like you could. It's in theory, it's and

2212
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: if who's not really it it right tackle, then you

2213
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: have so Kiten Wallas? Yeah, when who center? Andrews? If

2214
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: he's still here? If not figured out city so or

2215
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: or a city so at left guard at that point

2216
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: probably because you don't need the right guard. And then

2217
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: will Campbell Calvin Banks a left tackle?

2218
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 2: I think the biggest question just is and it's an

2219
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: age old debate in offensive line land, which you know

2220
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 2: is a land that I frequent. Would you rather an

2221
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 2: all Pro caliber guard or a starting caliber tackle, starting

2222
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 2: caliber tackle than on when it was a tackle? Yeah, right,

2223
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: that that's the difference.

2224
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: Especially for this team that without him, do they have

2225
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 1: a starting caliber tackle and on either side that's the.

2226
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Thing enough, Like I couldn't I get for this year?

2227
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 2: Why it makes sense? Yeah, I just think long term,

2228
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 2: and I'm right now because of where they're at as

2229
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: a team. It's all about the long term. Like, I

2230
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 2: don't care about what they do in twenty twenty four

2231
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 2: record wise, I really don't. I just don't want them

2232
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: to get the damn rookie quarterback killed. Right, That's all

2233
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 2: I care.

2234
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: Which is why I think having just making sure your

2235
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: tackles are solid is more important. And I when I say,

2236
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'd rather have this serviceable tackle than the

2237
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: all Pro card, I think that's a very situation dependent. Yeah,

2238
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: I say that for this team as it exists right now.

2239
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: That answer could change is the roster changes.

2240
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I think left guard's a big one. Still,

2241
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't think cols I'm not. I'm maybe I'm like

2242
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: lightly penciling in Cole Strange. But I'm not sharp being

2243
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 2: and I think it was very telling. When Elliot Wolf

2244
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 2: had his pre draft press conference and he got the

2245
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 2: question that was, do you think you're ready for rookie quarterback?

2246
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 2: He started listing off players. He mentioned Hunter Henry, he

2247
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 2: mentioned Rmandree Stevenson. When he named the line, he named

2248
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 2: David Andrews, Chooks, the corps for Mike Gonwenu.

2249
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: In the three guys they drafted last year, he didn't

2250
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 1: name them, but he said the three guys who drinked

2251
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: it last year, he did not. He was clearly in

2252
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: the mindset of thinking through the starting lineup. Yeah, he

2253
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: did not mention Cole Strange in that antsakes. I think

2254
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: that's very I said it. Then that's when I started

2255
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: to believe they might actually take a guard. I didn't

2256
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: think they would before that. I think that was very telling,

2257
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 1: very telling.

2258
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: Non commentikes all right, so that's the offensive line. Last

2259
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 2: thing on the offensive line, my guy, Chuck Turner. I

2260
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 2: think Charles Turner's got a chance. I think he's got

2261
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,719
Speaker 2: a chance to make this team. I think he's a center.

2262
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: Probably long term he's gonna happen.

2263
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Put on weight.

2264
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to add some weight in general, and

2265
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 2: just like some garth and strength and grit to his game.

2266
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 2: But he's an athletic center. He's long, good height, good

2267
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 2: arm length for the position zone blocking center. I think

2268
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 2: can fit sec experience at LSU, you know, very very

2269
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,799
Speaker 2: battle tested in that conference and starting multiple years at LSU.

2270
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 2: I think that there's a chance that he could beat

2271
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Jake Andrews out.

2272
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: So he's he's basically this year's Cody RUSSI.

2273
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but better player.

2274
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

2275
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with these centers, and you

2276
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 2: know you you probably remember all the name is better

2277
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: than I do. There was a ton of centers drafted

2278
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 2: this year is a really good center class. Uh Jackson Powers, John.

2279
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Sackson Powers, Johnson, the kid from Barton Graham Barton.

2280
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Duke Wisconsin, right, the Wisconsin center, Yeah, Bordelini, Bordolini,

2281
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 2: Bull Limber from Arkansas.

2282
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there were a lot of centers.

2283
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 2: So there's only a finite amount of teams that actually

2284
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 2: want to draft the center.

2285
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2286
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 2: So if all those centers go in the top well

2287
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 2: I think it was what one fifty or something like that. Yeah,

2288
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 2: if all those centers are gone, and there's only five

2289
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 2: teams that want to draft the center. Well, even if

2290
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 2: you have a draftable Garrett great on another center, there's

2291
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 2: no more teams to draft centers. It's like what happened

2292
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks, right, six go in the top twelve

2293
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 2: and then another one doesn't go to like the fifth round.

2294
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2295
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 2: There there's only a finite amount of quarterback teams. There's

2296
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: only a finite amount of center teams. So I think

2297
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 2: in other years Charles Turner would have gotten drafted by

2298
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 2: one of these center needy teams. But it was just

2299
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 2: a stack center group. It just happened to be one

2300
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 2: of the better center groups in recent memory. So I

2301
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 2: think Charles Turner has got a chance. I think he

2302
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: might be a better player than Jake Andrews, and I

2303
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 2: think he's gonna contend for the roster. So there's your

2304
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 2: offensive line. Hope you enjoyed it. Some people don't, And

2305
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 2: let's uh end the emails here.

2306
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Well hang on, because you're not going to do a

2307
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: special teams version of this.

2308
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 2: I do that today or next week.

2309
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: Well, let's do kicker today because kickers are part of it.

2310
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: That's we'll do next week's part of that's punter to

2311
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: me is a defensive like it's special teams. But if

2312
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: I had to pick one punter's defense kickers offense, I

2313
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 1: hear you, all right, so split him up. We got

2314
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 1: we got Chad Ryland yep, and we got sly guy

2315
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 1: and they got two kids. I think coming for MIDI

2316
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,480
Speaker 1: caamp too on tryout deals.

2317
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 2: I think the biggest question with kicker is is Chad

2318
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:12,440
Speaker 2: Ryland salvageable?

2319
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: Do you trust Chad? Like?

2320
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Is this truly a situation where it's not even calling

2321
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 2: it a competitions almost putting it lightly, but this is

2322
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 2: like somebody's actually gonna take the job from Chad Ryland,

2323
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 2: Like not even a competition.

2324
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: So I think last year we talked about this at

2325
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: the time, like there was a lack of reps and

2326
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: maybe a lack of pressure because Nick Folk was getting

2327
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the opportunities and all that, Like he's

2328
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to kick now. And I think he comes

2329
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 1: into campus the starter, And what I mean by that

2330
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 1: is he's gonna get the chance to kick in games,

2331
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna get the first reps of practice off that.

2332
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: I think the idea is you look at this and

2333
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: you see there's another guy in the meeting room. I'm

2334
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 1: sure they're gonna put Slies locker right next to him. Yeah,

2335
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: this guy's right here. The second you mess up to

2336
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: take your job, and how does he handle that? Because

2337
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: I think last year it was meant them more than

2338
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: anything else for Chad Ryland. And you're gonna see if

2339
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: he rides to the occasion. If he can't handle it, boom,

2340
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: you have your answer. I don't even know that Joey

2341
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 1: Sly ends up being the kicker if it's not Chad Ryland.

2342
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 1: I think Joey Sly here is just here to push

2343
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 1: Chad Ryland. And if Sly is a good camp I

2344
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 1: mean he'll have a leg up. But it could also

2345
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: be something where I was trying to not rhyme Sly

2346
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,639
Speaker 1: with guy and then I walked right into that one.

2347
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 2: Someone could say that he has has a leg up.

2348
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And when people say, oh, this

2349
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: kicker's got a leg and it's like, actually it's two

2350
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: of four. I think Slies here to push Ryland. I

2351
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: think he's here to test him. And if Rland rises

2352
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: to the I think Ryland ty goos ty gos to Rland.

2353
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: At this point, does it not.

2354
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 2: I think is a better kicker.

2355
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: They'll have a good kicker on the practice squad. I

2356
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: don't doubt that. But I don't even think slies necessarily

2357
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: the answer if it's not right. I think he's just

2358
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: here to push him and you see he becomes available

2359
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: come roster.

2360
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 2: Don't you think Joey SLYI is a better kicker than

2361
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 2: Chad Ryland is? I mean it's hard to be bad,

2362
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: like I'm hard to be worse no offense. Well, but

2363
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 2: like I know, but I know who Chad Ryland was

2364
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: in college. Yeah, and I've seen Joey Sly enough in

2365
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 2: the NFL that like he's better than the version of

2366
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: Chad Ryland we got last year.

2367
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: Okay, but I think Joey Sly is what he is. Yeah,

2368
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: And if Chad Ryland can be the guy get back

2369
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: to being the guy he was in college, Joey Sly

2370
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: can't touch that level. His leg's not as big, he's

2371
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: not nearly as consistent with his mechanics. It's not the same.

2372
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 1: He's not the same guy now. But if that and

2373
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:37,679
Speaker 1: that's the point, if Ryland's spraying it in camp, then yeah,

2374
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 1: you keep Joey slide because I say this a lot

2375
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: about kicker. You just want to know what you can expect,

2376
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 1: even if you don't have the best kicker, And that's

2377
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,839
Speaker 1: what was so great about Nick Fole. Yeah, Nick Folk

2378
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: didn't have the range that some of these other top

2379
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: kickers do, and I think that's why teams overlooked him.

2380
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: But it was just nice to know, all right, if

2381
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: we're inside of forty yards, he's gonna hit it. And

2382
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: they kind of took that trade off of he doesn't

2383
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 1: have as big of a leg for we just got

2384
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: this guy that can hit the kicks we needed to hit,

2385
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: and that's it Joey Slide. He's not gonna be Nick Folk,

2386
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 1: but Joey Slide is the guy like, all right, we

2387
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:12,799
Speaker 1: know what he can hit, we know what he can't

2388
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: hit for the most part, and we can operate within

2389
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: that framework. What's scary about Chad Ryland is you don't know.

2390
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 1: You can't plan around that, and that's the biggest issue

2391
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: you can have as a kicker. So he's got a

2392
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 1: show he can be more reliable, and if he can

2393
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: be more reliable, he can hit kicks that Joey Slide

2394
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 1: just can't hit.

2395
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 2: So he was historically bad live.

2396
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 1: I know he was. I know he was, So I

2397
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: think this is a wide open coll And let me

2398
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 1: be clear, this isn't a defense of Chad Ryland what

2399
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but it's I'm just kind of laying out

2400
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: the stakes. That's why if they're both a mess, the Tiger, well,

2401
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: if they're both a mess, I think you bring a

2402
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: third guy in. Yeah. If they're both about equal, Ryland

2403
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 1: gets the edge because he still has that potential, but

2404
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 1: he needs to prove a certain baseline or I guess

2405
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: the one drum maker is it's not Ryland or sly

2406
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: slide to see what Ryland's made of and if Ryland's

2407
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: not made of it in the field, then it be right.

2408
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Then it becomes the field like you said with the

2409
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: running backs, right, does a Nick Folk become available? Does

2410
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 1: Nick Folk become available? Does he come back right? Or

2411
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 1: does you get another situation where a team has two

2412
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: kickers or we'll see. Honestly, you text me about this

2413
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 1: the other night and it was a good point. Look

2414
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: you making kicker points, I make a kicker. There are

2415
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: some guys in the UFL right now freaking killing Oh

2416
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: so who's the guy what's his name there? Well, there

2417
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,600
Speaker 1: was a couple I don't remember who you text me

2418
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 1: about now, the kid that is making like the sixty yards,

2419
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: the kid in Michigan. Yeah, so he was a punter

2420
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: in high school. He didn't kick since like his software

2421
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 1: year high school or something.

2422
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 2: Jake Bates, Jake Bates. I'm so it's Brandon Allen right

2423
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 2: with the with the Cowboys.

2424
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: Brandon Aubrey, Brandon brand back up quarterback.

2425
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. This is how much I know about kickers Aubrey.

2426
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 2: It was like off the street and then he was

2427
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 2: an All Pro kicker and was nails for the Cowboys

2428
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 2: last year. Like you gotta try to find if this

2429
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 2: guy might be the next Aubrey.

2430
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 1: But there there's a couple of guys in that league,

2431
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: like Matt Coughlin who's in Memphis right now. He's been

2432
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: very good this year. There's a lot. The one thing

2433
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: that that Taylor Russellino has been good. The one thing

2434
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: that this Spring League has churned out for years is kickers. Yeah,

2435
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: Nick Folk in this whole World Spring, the World League,

2436
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 1: the Alliance, he wasn't even in the league. He's in

2437
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 1: the Alliance. It was the Alliance of American Football. The

2438
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: A I am the Arizona hot Shots. I'm all for

2439
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: the guy that's booming sixty yard kicks s that's Jake Baits.

2440
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if maybe it's right after

2441
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: that league ends, and that's gonna be this is week

2442
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: seven for them, So seven, eight, nine, ten, semi finals, championship.

2443
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:42,720
Speaker 1: So they've gotten bit off the top of your head.

2444
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah I I I write about them occasionally, you know that,

2445
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: So that would be I think they're championships, like the

2446
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: second week in July, so would be right before camp.

2447
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that they call one of

2448
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: these guys and one of these guys ends up in

2449
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 1: the battle with those two, or maybe I'm taking your team,

2450
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 1: Jake Bates, I just give him the contract.

2451
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 2: Let's get this over with. I mean, that guy, he's

2452
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 2: made like multiple sixty yard field goals. Well he so

2453
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 2: he only handled kickoffs in college. He's made more and

2454
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 2: then he came to the NFL as a punter. He's

2455
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 2: made multiple sixty yard field goals and I think he's

2456
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 2: made some game winners from like distance.

2457
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,360
Speaker 1: He hit a sixty four yard game winner because it

2458
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: was the same goal post it because they're playing at

2459
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 1: Ford Field. It was the same goal post it Justin

2460
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: Tucker hit the game winner on it like looked similar.

2461
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: So so basically you're saying he's the next Justin Tucker.

2462
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying he's the second

2463
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: best kicker of all time.

2464
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 2: But all right, so yeah, nice, we have a few

2465
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 2: more minutes here, so we'll go rapid fire through these evens.

2466
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 1: What's the kicker's name again, Evan Cake Baits here you go,

2467
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, and Brandon Allen, Right, yeah, we're gonna

2468
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching now, I'm gonna be watching. You

2469
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: need to watch the UFL just keep seeing. If you

2470
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: got Jake Bates hold, I will.

2471
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 2: Follow it on Twitter and every time. Now I'm gonna

2472
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 2: use I'm gonna steal one from Mike Kadlick and I'm

2473
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 2: gonna use the Patriot meme every time he makes a kick.

2474
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: You need to get in a alert for like every

2475
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: time he's kicking a fieldal so you can turn your

2476
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: TV on.

2477
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 2: So this might be a little bit longer than the

2478
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 2: rapid fire that I wanted. Okay, but Germo just emailed

2479
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 2: it and he mentioned when Bill O'Brien was the offensive

2480
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 2: coordinator became the offensive coordinat where we talked about some

2481
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 2: of the tenets of a Bill O'Brien offense, the slot receivers,

2482
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 2: empty formations, things like that. He was just wondering what

2483
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 2: we would say that for a VP. So let's each

2484
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 2: give one because we're trying to.

2485
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 1: Go play action. Yeah, bootleg play action.

2486
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, does marrying the run game with

2487
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 2: the past game play action?

2488
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, Uh, Philip is tell me the email

2489
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: back back that next week.

2490
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a little bit longer question Philip is

2491
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 2: asking about.

2492
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

2493
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 2: So Christian Barmore has had knee injuries. I guess Chris

2494
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Sims said that he like wasn't practicing full tilt last

2495
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,639
Speaker 2: year because of a knee injury. He had knee injuries

2496
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:52,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. I remember that he heard it

2497
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: in Cleveland.

2498
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: There was rumors that part of the reason he fell

2499
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: in the draft was because of injuries, and it was

2500
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: never specified, but you put two and two together, Yeah,

2501
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: this is a problem that could go back and he

2502
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 1: had troubles staying on the field in college, like this

2503
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 1: is something.

2504
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't think that the knee is a

2505
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 2: huge issue, but it might be one of those injuries

2506
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 2: where he has to sort of manage it for his

2507
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 2: whole career, which happens for most guys. So this is

2508
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 2: a question about Marcus Jones. I've got a couple of

2509
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:24,600
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones questions. Actually, I think that people are just like,

2510
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 2: you know, saying, let's not forget about Marcus Jones, you know,

2511
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 2: and what he can bring to the table. So Marcus

2512
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 2: Jones is an absolutely electric This is from Bronson Mark.

2513
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones is absolutely electric player when he was on

2514
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 2: the field. My question is where do you guys see

2515
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 2: him fitting into the team and what kind of role

2516
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 2: do you think you will have he will play this year.

2517
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be the primary return guy. Yeah,

2518
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 2: I think that's definitely a given. I think ideally he's

2519
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 2: like this Swiss Army knife backup Nickels safety, kind of

2520
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,560
Speaker 2: like what Miles Bryant was doing for them, but a

2521
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 2: lesser role on defense. But I think peak Marcus Jones

2522
01:53:59,040 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 2: could be the starting slock.

2523
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's ideally what you want. We'll see

2524
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 1: if he gets there, but ideally, starting slot corner and

2525
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 1: kick returner, and I'm sure they'll still mix him in

2526
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: on offense, you know, a couple times a year.

2527
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see what this one is. Uh, Okay,

2528
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 2: so oh, this is a good question that we probably

2529
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 2: should take some more time to answer in the future.

2530
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 2: But uh, this is a good question. What would you

2531
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 2: rather have for Drake May next year in the draft?

2532
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 2: This is the penny stool versus Jamar Chase. Okay, So

2533
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 2: would you rather the number one receiver, your guy Luther Burden,

2534
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 2: or would you rather the left tackle?

2535
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta see how this year plays out.

2536
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 1: Probably the tackle, because I just want them to have

2537
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: a left tackle already and you can go out and

2538
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 1: you can get you know, you can trade for a

2539
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 1: number one receiver. But maybe it works out with true

2540
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: score for Katon Wallace like who yes, but probably tackle.

2541
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 2: So I think that there that's I would probably go tackle.

2542
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 2: I know you like Luther Burton. You're telling me to

2543
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 2: watch Luther Burden. Maybe I'm under selling lutheriber I still,

2544
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 2: I just don't know if Luther Burden is on the

2545
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase.

2546
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna find out.

2547
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 2: To Marvin Harrison, Junior Molik neighbors, like, I don't know

2548
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 2: if he's that guy Roma Dune.

2549
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: We don't know what any of these guys. They still

2550
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: got a whole year left to play like that. Yeah, right,

2551
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens.

2552
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 2: Calvin Banks Junior and Will and Will Campbell are ready

2553
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 2: to play this year in the NFL, but they have

2554
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 2: one more year they have to go back. So I

2555
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: think that that's the difference. Another Marcus Jones question and

2556
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 2: just about him playing free safety, I I don't love

2557
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 2: him at free safety because of his size. I think

2558
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 2: that at that you know, I know, like Antin Winfield

2559
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 2: Junior is smaller too, but he's a freak, you know.

2560
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Speaker 2: I think at that position, h length and in height

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01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 2: can matter because you have to high point the ball

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01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 2: down the field and you have to be able to

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01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 2: have the you know, having a little bit longer arms

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01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 2: gives you a little bit more leeway or a little

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01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 2: bit more margin for error for breaking up those types

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01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 2: of passes that it normally have if you're shorter. I

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01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:06,160
Speaker 2: still think that Anjohn Wadfield Junior is bigger than Marcus Jones, right,

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01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 2: So I don't love him in that role. I don't

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01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 2: love Jonathan Jones in that role either. I think that

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01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 2: those guys are corners. All right, last one here and

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Speaker 2: we'll wrap it up on this. Good to hear you talking.

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Speaker 2: This is Cynthia. Good to hear you talking about Jake

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01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 2: Bates sixty plus like it is nothing. I've never been

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01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,360
Speaker 2: so excited about a kicker. I know you hate minor

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01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 2: league football and kickers, but I've been following home falling

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01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 2: from home and want him on our team. He's a

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01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 2: game changer and he can only get better. Cynthia, I

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01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 2: am with you. This is making me interested in the

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01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,879
Speaker 2: world league Bates, and it's making me interested in kickers.

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01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: I want Jake Bates on the Patriots. He's gonna next

2581
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 2: be the next Brandon Aubrey, and I'm excited about him.

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01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 2: And like I just said, was saying about Aubrey, he

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01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 2: really came out of similar path, right, like I didn't out.

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01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 1: Of nowhere, like he was a college sock player, which

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01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Baits was too. Literally the best kicker in the league, Yeah,

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01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere. I mean, Dustin Tucker still probably

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 1: the best kicker in the week. But you have the

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01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 1: best season last year out of any of the kickers

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01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: All Pro kicker. All right, that's gonna do it for cash.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two Patriots Unfiltered is up next, and then we'll

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Speaker 2: have a communicamp on Saturday. We'll be back next week

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 2: and we'll tell you what we saw by you then.

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