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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. Kristin Smart was

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Speaker 1: a typical college student. She was enrolled at California Polytechnic

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Speaker 1: Interesting he offered to walk her to her dorm, but

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Speaker 1: Veteran trial lawyer joining me out of the LA. Jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Troy Slayton on Twitter. You can find him

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Speaker 1: at Troy Slayton, Psychoanalysts to the Stars, Joining me from LA.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, star of a new Netflix show Blinging Empire,

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Speaker 1: Former FBI star a Facebook TV show Curse of Akacre,

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Speaker 1: first to Crime Stories investigative reporter Jennifer Zikowski. Jennifer, it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you with us. Let's talk about how

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Speaker 1: Kristen Smart went missing. To start with, who, where? When? Why?

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Speaker 1: Do it? You're away, Jennifer, what happened? Sure? Okay? So

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Speaker 1: Kristen Smart. She was an absolutely stunningly gorgeous nineteen year

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Speaker 1: old freshman at cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California.

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Speaker 1: She went to a birthday party the weekend of Memorial Day,

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Speaker 1: on just a moment, you know, out to you, Troice Leyton,

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Speaker 1: you're joining me along with Bethany from LA. I remember

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Speaker 1: Kristen's smart, living the life at cal Polytech. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about Saint Louis Obispo, Troy. It's a beautiful town north

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Speaker 1: abandoning her there. And this Paul Reuben is that his name?

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Speaker 1: The last person who saw her, Paul Flora Herman. Let's

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Speaker 1: not confuse my bad as a friend, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want you to drive the past. But Paul Flories, let's

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Speaker 1: just say if he had bad intentions, it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's like a salmon fisher with sam salmon um swimming upstream.

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00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: You know, go to a party with girls who have

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Speaker 1: never drunk alcohol before. That's where you're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to commit a rape or pick off the weakest member,

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Speaker 1: if that's what you wanted. Okay, I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 1: we can't forget that Paul Flores had a black eye

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00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: the day after Kristen went missing. That was apparently discovered

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Speaker 1: after he turned himself in on a dui charge, and

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00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: then his story kept changing about how he got it.

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00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: He said he got it playing basketball, then he said

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00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: he was fixing his car and received this black eye,

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Speaker 1: So he he was obviously hiding something from from the

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Speaker 1: get go. I wonder if they're in the rooms around

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Speaker 1: his room, anyone heard anything Climb stories with Nancy Grace.

444
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: Guys were talking about the disappearance of Christens Smart. Her

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: parents have accepted that she is no longer with us.

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Speaker 1: She's dead. I want you to take a listen deference

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Speaker 1: at casey r A. This is NBC three reporter Edie Lambert.

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00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: The San Louis Obispo County Sheriff's Office has had a

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Speaker 1: team of investigators workeding actively on this case. They've recently

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Speaker 1: been fielding a lot of calls from the media, so

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00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: that's what prompted them to release all this information. So

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Speaker 1: they're now saying since two thou eleven deputies have served

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Speaker 1: eighteen search warrants, they conducted physical evidence searches at nine

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Speaker 1: separate locations. They have also re examined every item of

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00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: physical evidence seized by all agencies involved in this case.

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00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Deputies have entered thirty seven items of evidence from the

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Speaker 1: early days of this case for modern DNA testing, and

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Speaker 1: they have recovered one hundred and forty new items of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Deputies are now revealing they have two trucks and evidence

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Speaker 1: that belonged to the family of Paul Flores. He was

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Speaker 1: a former cal Poly student and witnesses say he was

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Speaker 1: the last person to see kristin the night she went missing.

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Speaker 1: He's never been charging her disappearance. Over these past nine years.

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office says they invested more than seventy five

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Speaker 1: hundred employee hours looking into this case. Well, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: they finally got the vehicles, but it's a daylight of

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Speaker 1: dollars short. It's years later. Who else has been in

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Speaker 1: the truck? How do you expect to find fiber evidence

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Speaker 1: or one of Kristen's hairs there? But he transported her

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Speaker 1: body wherever he took it. Guys, let's fast forward to write.

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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our cut thirteen. This is

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Speaker 1: Rachel Kim CBSLA authority served a search warrant at the

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Speaker 1: San Pedro home of Paul Flores early this morning. It's

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Speaker 1: the second time this year. Investigators say he continues to

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Speaker 1: be a person of interest in the nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 1: disappearance of cal Poly sand Luisbeispos student Kristen Smart. The

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Speaker 1: San Luisabisco County Sheriff's Office said, with the help of

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Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff's Department, they went to look for

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Speaker 1: specific items of evidence, but they couldn't release any details

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Speaker 1: because the warrant is sealed by the court. I don't

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Speaker 1: see anything in this morning, but I noticed the second

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Speaker 1: time they've been here. Last time we were here with

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Speaker 1: the FBI. This neighbor named Mike, who doesn't want his

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Speaker 1: face shown, is talking about the first time a warrant

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Speaker 1: was served here. That was just this past February, when

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Speaker 1: Paul Floras sat in a sheriff's car while FBI agents

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Speaker 1: carried out bins and boxes from his home. He was

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Speaker 1: questioned then released. We did not see Flores at his

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Speaker 1: home today. Nothing goes on in this neighborhood like that,

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Speaker 1: so I was shot when I saw that action. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty quiet. He never really talks to anybody. Comes out

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Speaker 1: as as trash, doesn't talk to anybody. Sounds like a

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Speaker 1: loaner of sorts only seeing when he comes out to

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Speaker 1: throw out his trash. Now that was a search. Another

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Speaker 1: search on the home now of Paul Flores. But what

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Speaker 1: about his father? Take a listen to Katie Johnson's CBSLA.

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Speaker 1: Investigators are at Paul Flores' father's home today. Flores is

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Speaker 1: the prime suspect in the decades old disappearance of Kristen Smart.

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Speaker 1: Authorities are rating Reuben Flores' is San Luis Obispo County home.

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office says they're using cadaver dogs and ground

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Speaker 1: penetrating radar in this search. In May nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 1: Kristen Smart disappeared after an off campus party near cal

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Speaker 1: Poly San Luis Obispo. Paul Flores is believed to be

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Speaker 1: the last person known to see Smart alive. Her body

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Speaker 1: has never been found. Flores was arrested last month on

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Speaker 1: an unrelated weapons charge. Unrelated weapons charge choice Layton. That's

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Speaker 1: a big red flag to me because when they arrested Flores,

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Speaker 1: the sun in this case, Paul Flores on a weapons charge,

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Speaker 1: the PC probably cause him. That arrest warrant was based

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Speaker 1: on a sur they had done like a year before,

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Speaker 1: and now now they arrest him on that weapon's charge.

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Speaker 1: It was possession of a firearm by convicted felon. That

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Speaker 1: underlying felony was I believe felony duy. So why based

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Speaker 1: on evidence they saw a year ago do they arrest

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Speaker 1: him now for possession firearm convicted felons? Well, the evidence

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Speaker 1: that the San Luis Obispo Sheriff along with La County

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputies when they conducted the search of his home,

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Speaker 1: obviously they saw a handgun. Didn't feel like it was

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00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: a year ago, yes, but didn't feel like they wanted

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00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: to arrest them at that point. Maybe now a year later,

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Speaker 1: after they've done further investigation, knew that they had probable

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Speaker 1: cause to arrest him for the weapons charge and wanted

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Speaker 1: to rattle him. Maybe they were hoping that he would

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Speaker 1: get into custody and say something to somebody else custody

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: in the jailhouse that because they could have arrested him

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Speaker 1: right then when they saw the weapon, but they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They waited. Do I have the dates right? Jennifer Sagaski

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Speaker 1: joining mess joining us a Crime Stories investigative reporter. What

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Speaker 1: do we know about the arrest of the suspect? Paul Flores,

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Speaker 1: but not for Christian Smart's murder. That is that is

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Speaker 1: all that I know. That's all they're letting out there

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Speaker 1: for the weapon. You're right, they're being very very and

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering about the strategy. The tactic of sitting

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Speaker 1: on that arrest for a possession of a fire and

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Speaker 1: by convictive felon and then executing the arrests weren't months

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00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: and months and months later. Very curious. But you're jumping Bobby,

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00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: what is that time? Yeah, And Nancy, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It is a strategy. It's a tactical, investigative move that

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Speaker 1: could be any number of reasons you would do this.

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Speaker 1: For example, if they've developed someone close to him that

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Speaker 1: they're talking to that's providing them information and now they

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Speaker 1: feel if they arres him on this, he will go

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00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: back and talk to that other person. Or if they've

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Speaker 1: gotten you know, and this is just conjecture on my part,

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Speaker 1: if they've gotten a wiretap on one of his phones

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: and they arrest him to see if he's going to

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00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: make any phone calls and what he's going to talk about.

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: So there are this is a strategic investigative move. There

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Speaker 1: is a reason why they did At this time, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what that reason is. But as an investigator,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you there's a number of different possibilities

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: in my head of why they would do this and

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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: how strategic right. Very often in cases where a suspect

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Speaker 1: is someone's believed to be a suspect in a very

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00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: serious case, let's just say a murder, you'll see him

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Speaker 1: picked up on let's just say an outstanding bond forfeiture

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00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: or an outstanding probation violation and put him in jail.

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Speaker 1: And it's a tactic. And I think there's a tactic here,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know what they're thinking is take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Keith Carl's News Channel three KYT the morning

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Speaker 1: Saint Elizabethsville County Sheriff's Department deputies crime scene investigators could

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00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: ever go and ground penetrating radar scoured the residential property

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: here in a Grande believed to belong to Reuben Flores,

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: off of James Way in Royal Grande. A vehicle was

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00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: towed away by the Sheriff's office. The residential property remains

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Speaker 1: sealed off, with crime scene tape surrounding the perimeter. The

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Speaker 1: San Loos Visconi Sheriff's Office expects to remain out here

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Speaker 1: for the remainder of the day and possibly into tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: With all of this technology that they're using to scour

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Speaker 1: the landscape. Here at this home behind me, what if

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Speaker 1: anything is going down on the father's property. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Megan Healey Ksbyns with shovels in hand. Investigators

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Speaker 1: dug underneath rubin floors as a Royal Grande home and

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Speaker 1: at specific locations in the backyard. A neighbor sent me

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Speaker 1: this video showing a part of the excavation site. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really nice to see that they're finally making moves

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Speaker 1: on it. You know, it's taking so long for them

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Speaker 1: to dig up this backyard. You could see deputies camped

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Speaker 1: out near the house, going underneath the deck at two

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Speaker 1: entry points with shovels. A panel of this lattice wall

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Speaker 1: was removed to get underneath the house. These areas were

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Speaker 1: extensively searched with cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar. Monday

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Speaker 1: and Tuesday. Crews also moved this blue pop up tent

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Speaker 1: to another section of the backyard, where they dug for

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Speaker 1: about an hour. Thick foliage around the property made it

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Speaker 1: difficult to see the activity. By two pm, yellow tape

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Speaker 1: around the floors his home was taken down, the Flores

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Speaker 1: family returning just thirty minutes later. I just hope they

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Speaker 1: find her soon. And guys, in case you're wondering what

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Speaker 1: the Flores family has to say about this, remember this

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Speaker 1: is the suspects father's home being searched property. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Susan Flora speaking to KSB. What led you

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Speaker 1: to talking with us today and letting me into the

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Speaker 1: back room. I know, man, because they took the Volkswagon.

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Speaker 1: That's my little restoration project. You know, people restore old

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Speaker 1: cars all the time. I'm a real card. I'd love cars.

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Speaker 1: I'd love old things. You know. It's like, no, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do a restoration on that car. They didn't

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Speaker 1: need to take it. They wanted to take it. Now

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Speaker 1: they're gonna take oh yeah, the warrant says they can

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Speaker 1: take it apart, so god knows what it'll look like,

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, but it's I don't know, it's private. They're

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00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: coming in, they're taking your stuff. So the suspect's appearents

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Speaker 1: whining that cops took the vehicle the old Volkswagen that

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Speaker 1: she was going to restore someday, whining that it was private.

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Speaker 1: There is a girl kidnapped and murdered. Suck it up,

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Speaker 1: little sister. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,