WEBVTT - Celtics Win 18th NBA Title, Mavs Future, Is Anyone Close To Boston? | BULLY BALL

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to bully Ball, presented by DraftKings. I'm Rachel Nichols,

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<v Speaker 1>that as always is mister DeMarcus Cousins and Boog. You

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<v Speaker 1>can tell we're on the last one of the season

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<v Speaker 1>because the plant is gone. It's just a white wall

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<v Speaker 1>behind you. It's all you can give. You've left it

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<v Speaker 1>all out on the court. I'm glad you're home, man,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do miss the plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Plants in stores right now. So you know he'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back for next season. You know he went on an

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<v Speaker 2>early vacation. We're all headed Todd vacations. Season's over, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is the last one for this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who's not tired, Boogie Cousins. The Boston Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>They are still waiting for their parade on Friday. They

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<v Speaker 1>are celebrating. I'm here in Boston. The streets were crazy

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<v Speaker 1>last night. The arena was hopping. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they threw Game four. I mean, obviously they did not

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<v Speaker 1>ro Game four, but the idea that they got to

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<v Speaker 1>win on their floor, I just think is so special,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could just the outpouring was incredible last night.

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<v Speaker 1>What impressed you most from everything you saw.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever seen a more complete season

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<v Speaker 2>from a team, just the way they dominated throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>regular season. I mean, can we sit here and say,

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<v Speaker 2>this may be the first team that really didn't face

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<v Speaker 2>any type of adversity and if it did, it was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was minimal. And I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>in a negative way. I'm more so saying it like

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<v Speaker 2>this team was that good, Like they never really struggled

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<v Speaker 2>at any point during the season, even when with some

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<v Speaker 2>injuries they were able to, you know, maintain keep afloat.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was probably one of the best seasons from

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<v Speaker 2>start to finish that I've seen from a professional team.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been very, very impressive. So, you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>considering how great the playoff run was, just as a

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<v Speaker 2>complete hole, I think this team deserves credit. They've obviously

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<v Speaker 2>learned from their past seasons, They've learned from their past mistakes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they figured it out. They figured it

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<v Speaker 2>out at the right time. They put the perfect pieces

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<v Speaker 2>in place to make everything compliment you know, each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, this was the perfect season for the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think it's really adversity anymore now that

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<v Speaker 1>they've won. I think it's more just talking about that

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<v Speaker 1>they crushed everything in their path, Like there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of oh my god, you know the wheels are

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<v Speaker 1>falling off moments, not because no one challenged them. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Dallas Mavericks were a pretty huge challenge for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but just because they were that good and we saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>of course with the twenty sixteen Warriors. I mean, there've

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<v Speaker 1>been teams like this, but I just it's super impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Wire to wire from the very beginning of the season

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<v Speaker 1>to the last day of the season, they were ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of everybody else. And you know, you can't win that

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth banner and anymore pressive way than that best offensive

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<v Speaker 1>rating ever is what they're going to finish with, top

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<v Speaker 1>five in point differential, sixty four and eighteen eighty and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one including the playoffs on the season. I just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anyway, and there's still people I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>I still I turned on my TV this morning and

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<v Speaker 1>I still saw people talking about like, well, they had

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<v Speaker 1>an easy path because of all the injuries in the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference. You know what I'm done with that? Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, the East is easier than the West.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, This is not the first season that that

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<v Speaker 1>has been the case, and it will not be the

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<v Speaker 1>last season that has been the case. Next year the

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<v Speaker 1>West is going to be just a dogfight. But they

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<v Speaker 1>beat everyone in front of them, and they faced a

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<v Speaker 1>Mavericks team that a lot of people picked to win

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<v Speaker 1>this title. You go back, a lot of the picks

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<v Speaker 1>before this finals were for the Mavericks, which you and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand. We talked about it the day before

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<v Speaker 1>the finals started. What were these people looking at just

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<v Speaker 1>the rosters alone?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what it is, rag.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in a time to where you know, whatever's hot,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever's popular in the moment, that's what people roll with.

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<v Speaker 2>And no knock to the Mavericks and their incredible season,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody really leading up into the playoffs had them

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<v Speaker 2>as a team that we thought would win it all

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<v Speaker 2>or even really be in the finals. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought that would be the nuggest team. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>had the Clippers, some people had you know, the Sons.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot. It was a lot of different

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<v Speaker 2>names being thrown out outside of the Meerican Mavericks hit

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<v Speaker 2>this stride. Yes, the Mavericks hit this stride and then

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<v Speaker 2>they became America's most popular team. I mean a season ago,

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<v Speaker 2>two season ago, Kyrie was the most hated gowns planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Now now he's leading the charges America's team right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's we live this is just the time and age.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in one minute, one in one moment, they

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<v Speaker 2>can hate you. In the next moment, you're You're the

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<v Speaker 2>most popular thing walking. So I think we just I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're a victim of you know what's hot at

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>People were rolling with the Mavericks and deservingly so. They

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<v Speaker 2>played incredible, they performed at a high level, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were a very very entertaining team to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>So understanding, understandingly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but when you when it comes to the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of it and you really look at that Boston Celtics team,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that really really knows who can analyze the game

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<v Speaker 2>for what it is knew that Boston was a favorite

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<v Speaker 2>to win it this year.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, Luca, I still think, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>just going off, who is the best player on the court,

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<v Speaker 1>I still think it's Luka doncc I mean, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>perform the best in the finals but he is the

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<v Speaker 1>all around best player on the court. But the Celtics

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<v Speaker 1>showed that's not always true that the best team with

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<v Speaker 1>the best player wins. That this was the best team,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially the fact that you know, we're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later in the show about the MVP,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact that it was even a question tells

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<v Speaker 1>you that they have a lot of good people who

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<v Speaker 1>could have been MVP. I mean, not only are we

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Jason and Jalen, but Drew Holliday put it

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<v Speaker 1>in like an VP style campaign the first couple of games,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tatum and Brown specifically have been through so much

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning when they made that first conference finals,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just thought, look at these young kids, their head

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<v Speaker 1>of schedule, Jason Tatum loves Kobe, shoots like Kobe. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a miracle. It's going to be great for the

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<v Speaker 1>next few years. And then over the next eight years

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<v Speaker 1>you go from wonder kid to oh, I haven't you

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<v Speaker 1>won yet? And in fact, the one hundred and seven

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<v Speaker 1>games book that Tatum and Brown played together before last

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<v Speaker 1>night were the most by a duo prior to winning

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<v Speaker 1>their first NBA championship, So nobody has played longer and

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<v Speaker 1>won than the two of them together, so it was Look,

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<v Speaker 1>it took them a while to get here. I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to play you with clip real quick because their

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<v Speaker 1>road has been heavily scrutinized. And they were talking their

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<v Speaker 1>talk last night Brad Stevens. You know how reserved he

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<v Speaker 1>is normally. I just asked him a question about the

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<v Speaker 1>criticism that the Jays have gotten and listen to what

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<v Speaker 1>he said. The road for the Jalen the Jays, Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>and Jason to seize a lot of the early criticism

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<v Speaker 1>they took and then to have them be able to

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<v Speaker 1>pay it on here. What does that mean to you

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who's coached them and then nurtured them through

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<v Speaker 1>their organization.

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<v Speaker 4>I think criticism student, So I don't care. I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>Jalen on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, those two had achieved more than most twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five and twenty six year olds ever had, and the

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<v Speaker 4>only reason they received scrutiny was because they were playing

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<v Speaker 4>in late May and ju And you know, as a

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<v Speaker 4>good friend of mine said, I'd rather be in the

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<v Speaker 4>mix and have my guts ripped out and suck. Those

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<v Speaker 4>two guys have been really good a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts

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<v Speaker 1>ripped down and suck. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's right, right, He's absolutely right, And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of spoke on that before, Like people got

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<v Speaker 2>bored with this duo success early and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't finish it off, you know that the way

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people expected or want it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's kind of how it goes in sports.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have to credit these guys for the success

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<v Speaker 2>they've had early on in their career and at such

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<v Speaker 2>a young age. That's unheard of in any league, in

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<v Speaker 2>any professional league, it's hard to win, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>hard to win young and in that learning curve process,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys came in with early success and they've been

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but successful since. So I think this could be

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<v Speaker 2>the mark of a dynasty run. In my opinion, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this could be a start of it. So it's excited.

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<v Speaker 1>How much better do you think Brown and Tatum can get?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Brown has made Gent's made a really big deal

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<v Speaker 1>in these finals about how he addressed all these weaknesses

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<v Speaker 1>people said about him, and that he knew he had

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<v Speaker 1>and that he worked his ass off to fix them.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think that they're done or finished products,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you think, you know, twenty five twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>years old, or do you think that they can actually continue.

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<v Speaker 2>To get better twenty five twenty six, they're just scratching

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<v Speaker 2>the surface.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys haven't even hit their prime yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Your prime doesn't happen until like twenty eight, maybe thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three. And these dudes are a special, special duo.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we'll see a lot more success from this duo.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I think at this point, now

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<v Speaker 2>that they've learned how to do it, they know how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, they've completed the assignment, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>can run off two three more. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very possible for this for this these two guys to

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<v Speaker 2>be the moving point of this league. Like from this

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<v Speaker 2>point forward, I could see that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, the East is easier than the West, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if we think about the teams that are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>competing and come out of the West next year, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the East you do have the Sixers that

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<v Speaker 1>are going to try to add a piece this summer

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<v Speaker 1>and have Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxi you do have

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<v Speaker 1>New York that's coming on, you know, Cleveland if they

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<v Speaker 1>can retain Donovan Mitchell. Do you see Boston kind of

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<v Speaker 1>having that footprint in the East. I mean, they've already

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<v Speaker 1>been to six out of the last eight Eastern Conference finals,

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<v Speaker 1>so that they've already been there. But do you see

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<v Speaker 1>them just sort of being the team in the e

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<v Speaker 1>the way for a couple of years, the Celtics were

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<v Speaker 1>the team in the Eastern and then for a stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>it was always the Cavaliers, the Cavaliers, the Cavaliers. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that Boston We're going to get that

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<v Speaker 1>from them? Or do you think Milwaukee's gonna have a say?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think from this point moving forward, the conversation in

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<v Speaker 2>the East will now start wash who's the second best

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<v Speaker 2>team in the league, in the Eastern Conference. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Boston has solidified itself this team. The crazy part about this,

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<v Speaker 2>they just won in dominant fashion, But this entire team

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<v Speaker 2>is returning next year, the entire team, So that lets

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<v Speaker 2>you that lets you know right there where this is

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<v Speaker 2>about to go. The conversation in the East is strictly

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<v Speaker 2>about who's second. Like that's it, because we know who

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<v Speaker 2>the number one team in the East is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well write about bringing back. We also saw a Celtics

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<v Speaker 1>owner with Grossbeck in the locker room. Here's what he

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<v Speaker 1>told me. Listen to this one. I didn't feel to

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<v Speaker 1>have finally delivered this to the city.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Boston is a city of champions. Once again. Rights on Friday,

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<v Speaker 5>and then we'll go do it together. I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>Domaza said he's ready to start right now. It wants

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<v Speaker 1>another one.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not ready to start right now. We'll start pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll bring on this whole team back. Bring the whole

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<v Speaker 5>team back next year. Look out world.

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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, book the idea that an owner

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<v Speaker 1>is sitting there and said I will pay the money

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<v Speaker 1>to retain the entire team, which is not what we

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<v Speaker 1>saw necessarily from a couple of the last championship teams.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that? And do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the formula for them is to run it back or

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<v Speaker 1>should they keep tweaking?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Well, one, that's that's beautiful to hear as an organization,

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<v Speaker 2>as a as as one of the guys on the team.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to hear your owner speaking that way. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh in this league, if you want to win, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to spend, and that's just how it works. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really really hard to build a championship team and be

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<v Speaker 2>under the cap, Like that's just not really a possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as making any moves or tweaks, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this team dominated this season, Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know who you could really consider the second best

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<v Speaker 2>team in the league. I mean, obviously we could say

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<v Speaker 2>the Mavericks, but statistically, what's the second best team in

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<v Speaker 2>the league after Boston? And I don't see anybody close

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<v Speaker 2>to this team or even if they are to make

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<v Speaker 2>improvements in this next season, I still don't see anything

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<v Speaker 2>close to the talent on this roster. So if I'm them,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting still. I'm entering next season with the same group.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna run it back again. And the crazy thing

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<v Speaker 2>is they weren't even one hundred percent healthy theirselves. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see it on a KP at one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's still kind of a situation of how

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<v Speaker 2>dominant is this team really We still have yet to

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<v Speaker 2>really see that, So that's scary when you actually think

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>by joining Wondery Plus. Well. To me, KP is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the question here with the roster, And first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thrilled for him. I've known him since he was

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie in New York. I spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time around him then, and you know his injuries he's

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<v Speaker 1>had and difficult stops along the way, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you know he loves the bright lights, and the

0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>fact that he paid it off in that city, in

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<v Speaker 1>that arena and was an important part even though he

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<v Speaker 1>was injured. It's kind of like you book in that

0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.520
<v Speaker 1>game one of the finals he played in Golden State,

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<v Speaker 1>like he came out there and he did what he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be done for the team in that period.

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<v Speaker 1>He did it again last night. So he's certainly an

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<v Speaker 1>important part of this team and he's been an important

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<v Speaker 1>part of this franchise for this entire season. But the

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<v Speaker 1>question about him when they traded for him was can

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<v Speaker 1>he stay healthy? And the answer was no. He missed

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<v Speaker 1>the huge chunk of the playoffs and then he missed

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<v Speaker 1>more than half of the finals. And when you let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you play Denver next year, I mean, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a different matchup. And I'm not saying, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying, oh, if they played Denver, then Boston

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<v Speaker 1>might not have won. Boston won Boston as the champion,

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<v Speaker 1>but Denver would give them a different challenge and you

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<v Speaker 1>would need someone like Kristaps porzingis there for that matchup.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you just cross your fingers and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>next year he's going to stay healthy or do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to sort of make some moves there?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, all you can go by is the results,

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<v Speaker 2>and the results were we want in a dominant fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>So to sit there and be like, well, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to tweak anything, I feel like you don't try to

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<v Speaker 2>fix anything that's not broken. And obviously you could always

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<v Speaker 2>try to find an insurance piece. Let me get a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that I know can come in and fill that

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<v Speaker 2>road in case KP isn't healthy. So I could see

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<v Speaker 2>that being a move. But based on that starting five

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<v Speaker 2>and just the foundation of the roster, I don't change anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confident with this group and I continue to move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all Herford's got one year left. I know he's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as old as the hills as he likes

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but he gave them good minutes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he did what he needed to do. Tatum is about

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<v Speaker 1>to sign this crazy deal. Member Jalen Brown had the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest contract in NBA history. Well, Jason Tatum is about

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<v Speaker 1>to top that this summer. Derek White, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out because he's an unrestricted free agent

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<v Speaker 1>next season, so he will be playing on an expiring

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<v Speaker 1>contract basically. So there are some questions here, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the owner says, I'm going to spend the money,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring them all back is so refreshing.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it is harder and harder and harder to build

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<v Speaker 1>a championship team. They are changing the rules starting this

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<v Speaker 1>year to make it more difficult to you get penalized

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<v Speaker 1>more with luxury tax if you have more than two

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<v Speaker 1>high profile, high roller players on your roster. It is

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<v Speaker 1>to get to this position, is I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you can build a team like this again because the

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<v Speaker 1>rules have changed. So to not put your foot on

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<v Speaker 1>the gas and spend the money now is it would

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<v Speaker 1>be so shortsighted. But we've seen owners do it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen owners get to the top of the mountain and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, okay, let me not go keep on all in,

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<v Speaker 1>let me cut some costs. And I never understand it

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<v Speaker 1>because it will be a decade or more with most

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<v Speaker 1>of these teams to get back here. Look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Celtics themselves, I mean, they've been very good for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this time and they still hadn't won a

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<v Speaker 1>title since two thousand and eight. So I just think,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in this position the Celtics are in now,

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<v Speaker 1>you spend all the money and then if in two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years, four years that you know you're out

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a bad team, you at least have

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<v Speaker 1>two or three championships to show for it.

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<v Speaker 7>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at Dallas, They've got their own situation

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>If we look, I'm looking at some stats Producer Night

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<v Speaker 1>just put up. They averaged ninety three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>points in their losses in this final. That was compared

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and eighteen that they averaged during the

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<v Speaker 1>regular season, So a huge production drop there. Obviously, the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston defense had something to say about that, but there

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<v Speaker 1>will always be a tough defense if you make it

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<v Speaker 1>that far. Luca, on the other hand, I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>did a dumb thing in game three, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>that he regrets it, and he's got some habits there

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<v Speaker 1>that came out of that game that showed up that

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<v Speaker 1>he's just he's got to clean up. He's just got

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up some of those habits talking the officials,

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<v Speaker 1>not playing the defense that he is capable of playing. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>being in the best shape of his life at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the season is not something he's really prioritized

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<v Speaker 1>up until now. And we saw Nikola Jokic. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember Boog used to be kind of pudgy, used

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, get back on defense was hard for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he completely changed his diet, completely changed his

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<v Speaker 1>workout pattern, buckled down and became, frankly a different player.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, rose to that multiple time MVP levels. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think Luka was second on my MVP ballot this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he will be in the MVP consideration, But

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<v Speaker 1>if he wants to win a finals, he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>clean up some of those habits. That all being said,

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<v Speaker 1>he's fucking amazing. I mean the things you see him

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<v Speaker 1>do are just mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 6>And it doesn't get old for me. Does it get

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<v Speaker 6>old for you watching him offensive.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't. It does absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>I could I could watch that guy play basketball every

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<v Speaker 2>single day and never get bored. But I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>Rach it is some things that have to be cleaned

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<v Speaker 2>up within that Mavericks team and specifically with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>individuals on the roster and Uh, I do want to piggyback,

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<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to greatness, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, putting yourself you know, in that tier of

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<v Speaker 2>of the other grace, which Luca is, it comes with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of responsibility and similar to kind of how

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<v Speaker 2>Tatum and UH and Jalen Brown had to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>go through that ring kind to kind of finally figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out, I think Lucas also grown through that process himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel he.

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<v Speaker 2>Improves with each year with some of the bad habits

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<v Speaker 2>or some of the you know, things that create a

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.920
<v Speaker 2>negative for him on the court. But you know the

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<v Speaker 2>same criticism that you know Zion has received for you

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<v Speaker 2>know not quite being there I received into my career,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of the other grades Shoulquille on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody is exempt from it. Until you embrace that part.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's hard to find success at the end and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some guys slip through the crack, But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think when it comes to the Mavericks improve and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that part alone will improve their entire roster.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can get one hundred percent in shape Luca

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<v Speaker 2>from start to finish. We don't want to keep you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going through these playoffs and you know you're breaking down

0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 2>because your body's not physically fit. We've watched you do

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it time and time again. So you now have to

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.160
<v Speaker 2>go in to the offseason and figure out a way.

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<v Speaker 2>How can I correct that? How can I prevent that

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<v Speaker 2>from being you know, one of the negatives or one

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<v Speaker 2>of the weaknesses when it comes to me finishing out

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<v Speaker 2>the season strong or you know, finishing or being one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent healthy to push my team all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to the end.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was a big factor and why they lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously they can improve with getting talent, but if your

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<v Speaker 2>lead horse is in a hundred percent there, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be hard to find success at the end. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>just the facts of the matter. You know, Luca is

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible player in this league. You know, arguably could

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>say he's the best player in the league. I'm cool

0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 2>with saying all of that, But in order for him

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<v Speaker 2>to take that next jump, he has to self reflect

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<v Speaker 2>and self improve on just his end and hold his

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.880
<v Speaker 2>self accountable, like being the leader of that team, hold

0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.000
<v Speaker 2>your self accountable. There is nothing wrong with, you know,

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 2>self reflecting and improving in the offseason. That's part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the next step for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a pretty rich problem to have if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the Mavericks, that you already have this guy on

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<v Speaker 1>your roster who is one of the best players in

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>the entire planet, and he's got this big chunk of

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 1>room to improve. I mean, that's crazy, right. I Mean, normally,

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:49.159
<v Speaker 1>if you've got a guy at that level, he is

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 1>topped out. And yet the Mavericks have a guy who

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.440
<v Speaker 1>is already up here, and yet could could just just

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>by doing things himself, not with the trades, not with

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.920
<v Speaker 1>free agency, not the salary cap, that just by doing

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<v Speaker 1>a few things. And again, like overall, he's incredible, but

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<v Speaker 1>just the fact that he does have the room to

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<v Speaker 1>make these small improvements, it's just kind of mind blowing

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>luxury that the Mavericks have. I do think they're going

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.879
<v Speaker 1>to tweak some of the pieces around the Edges. I

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 1>don't expect some big, huge trade from them, but I

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 1>think they showed with this run. The tweaking the pieces

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.080
<v Speaker 1>around the Edges, you know, the Gaffords, the PJ. Washington's

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing that is a secret to winning.

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I love the Kyrie Luca partnership. I'm not expecting Kyrie

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to blow up every game, but he poured in thirty

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.400
<v Speaker 1>forty points when it counted several times during this playoff run. Apparently,

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.920
<v Speaker 1>as long as he's not playing in Boston, he can

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.600
<v Speaker 1>contribute at a high level. So that's kind of what

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I expect from them. Before we move on to other

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 1>teams around the league, though, I do want to hit

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you on the MVP question because last night there is

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 1>there is some suspense as we waited for Adam Silver

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to announce the MVP as he had that microphone. Who

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 1>did you think whose name? Did you think he was

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.120
<v Speaker 1>going to say? Whose name did you have on your head?

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I think Jayleen Brown was very deserving of that call.

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not mad at that decision, but to be totally honest,

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it could have been Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum,

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.400
<v Speaker 2>or Drew Holliday. They all and Obviously, when it comes

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.159
<v Speaker 2>to Tatum, he didn't have his best offensive performance, but

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>everything else he brought to the game. And I'm paying

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 2>attention to everything. It's not just if he's making shots

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>or not. The way he's facilitating, the way he's you know,

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 2>getting guys involved, he's playmaking, he's defending. All of those

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 2>small things he did at a really, really high level,

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 2>which still contributed to this team winning. And it's crazy

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>to say their arguably best player did not perform well

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and they still wanted dominating fashion. So, like I said,

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>that's just mind blowing to me. But to go back

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 2>to your question, Tatum easily could have done it with

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.440
<v Speaker 2>it's all around performance. I think Jalen Brown was on

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>an absolute mission this year to prove his worth. I

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 2>think he did that beyond words at this point, I

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 2>think he's shut up a lot of than they said.

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 2>At this point, it doesn't matter who's the who's the

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 2>one A or one B. We're an incredible tandem. At

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 2>one point, I can lead, At the next point, he

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 2>can lead, and we're totally fine with that. The way

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>they embraced each other, the way they show love for

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 2>one another, I think that was a beautiful thing. And

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I think that killed that narrative that

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.959
<v Speaker 2>you know was trying to be created. And and now

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you just have to respect these two as a duo.

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 2>That's that's champions and have a chance to continue to

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>be champions. So and then Drew Holliday. Drew Holliday with

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 2>the way he performed defensively, I mean, he's it's a

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.399
<v Speaker 2>master work, like it's it's a sensey out there just

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.880
<v Speaker 2>going through the motions and just doing what he does.

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 3>So shout out to Drew, two time champion.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you're out there with him, what does

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>he do on the court that just makes everyone's lives easier?

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly what you say, he just makes everybody's life easier.

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I remember being teammates with with Drew Holliday and at

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 2>that point in our career, me and A d brought

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the ball up the floor a lot. Drew being one

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 2>of the you know, top pgs in the league at

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the time, could have easily you know, been egotistical about him,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>like I'm the point guard, I bring the ball up.

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this guy would literally get a rebound.

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 2>To throw the ball to me, a a d to

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>bring the ball up because he knew what type of

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>offense we could create with their bigs having to guard

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>us in the open floor.

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 3>But just that level of unselfishness and that.

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 2>And being cool with, you know, being in the backseat

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>of being a passenger like that goes a long way

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.679
<v Speaker 2>for a championship team or a team in general.

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 3>So just that aspect and what he brings to the game.

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 2>It obviously changed that time I heard Celtic's roster and

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>it's part of a huge part of the reason that

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>they are now champions.

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is crazy when you look back on

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>it that Milwaukee made that trade and handed the keys

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>to Portland to decide where Drew would go because we knew.

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>We knew the minute that trade happened, Portland wasn't keeping him. Right,

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>there was no question Drew never got on a plane

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to Portland. They were always going to turn around and

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 1>deal him. And for Milwaukee to make that decision, I

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>don't know, man. I mean, it's not an aspect that

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>we talked about a ton the day that the Damian

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Lillard came, because you know, obviously we're focused on Damian

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Lillard and Drew Holliday going out and it was sort

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of like, Oh, where's Drew going to go? That was

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the question we were asking. But I don't think we

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>really focused on the fact that they gave up control

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 1>in that situation and it really cost them because it

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>literally the most valuable guy asset that was going around

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>last summer went to their biggest rival. And I just

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>think he's the king of the hockey assist I wish

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the NBA kept hockey assist stats. If they did, I

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>think Drew Holliday would blow everyone away this place. Like

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I just I can't say enough good things about him.

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I love when he played with you. I just I

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know, man, He's so deserving, great guy off the court.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Same thing for Jalen Brown, same thing for Jason Tatum.

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, you know what Jalen Brown does in

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the community, what Drew Holliday does on it. He and

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>his wife do incredible community work. What they do on

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>every team that they get on. I don't know, man,

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I just these are good guys. These are good guys

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>who are being rewarded, and I think that's pretty awesome.

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>They are also favorites Boogie for next year's title. We're

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>just talking about whether they can win it or not.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Here are the odds DraftKings. I'll take that bet. Are

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>you ready to start already laying down money for next season?

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Because Chelsea Celtics heavy favorites plus two ninety, so you

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.959
<v Speaker 1>can still make money. It's it's not one of those

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>bets where it's sort of like, you know, you spend

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a dollar and you make a dollar plus two ninety.

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Denver's next plus eight hundred. It's interesting, Okay, see next.

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>That kind of surprised me a little bit. Eight fifty

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>MAVs one thousand plus one thousand. Those are the six

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>best odds. So what better are you taking there? Or

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>are you surprised not to see someone else high on

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the list.

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I'm gonna roll with the champion Celtics. I think

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 2>they'll be dominating Nature as well.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 3>But my next bet will probably be okayc and really,

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 3>and the reason I say that is they got so.

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Much draft capital, they got so much money to play with,

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Like they're one star away from dominating the league theirselves,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 2>so I think. And then on top of that, the

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, trusting in Sam Pressey to make the decisions

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>for this organization that's obviously worked for them over and

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>over again. But I think he'll make the perfect decision

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and improve that team this summer. So I'm excited to

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>see what they do as well.

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Funny you mentioned one player away Buggie Cousins, because they

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>have new rules at the NBA in terms of free agency,

0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>new rules all around this year. This is what happens

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to a new CBA. But the free agency question has

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>changed because it used to be that even with your

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>own free agents, you had to wait a couple weeks

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to talk to them, which was always ridiculous because we

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>knew everybody was talking any but anyway, I mean, it

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>just was. I think these tampering rules are insane. They

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>wiped away at least talked to your own guys, because

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the idea that you weren't already talking to your own

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>guys is nuts. So as of today, as we sit

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>here on Tuesday morning, teams can talk to their own

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>players and make them offers. And some of the big

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>guys we're going to be watching our Paul George of

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>course with the Clippers, Klay Thompson with the Warriors, DeMar

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>De Rosen up in Chicago, and og and Nanobi og

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Nanobi feels like a lock of where he's going. His

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>agent is president of the next Leon Rose's son. So

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>in case you had any question about how thanks to

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>giving dinner was going to go there, it was not

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>with oh, you took one of my players away and

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>got him on another team. It is yes, dad, and

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>here you go. And Oji wants to be there, obviously,

0:29:58.440 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at some of those other names,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Paul George is obviously the huge, huge mover on that list.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, we saw Joel Embiid already campaigning to get

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.719
<v Speaker 1>him in Philadelphia. There's talk that Orlando wants to make

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>a big offer to both Paul George and Klay Thompson.

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you think? I mean, I think Paul George

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>has a really interesting decision to make. The Clippers were

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>not offering him the full max through these contract extension

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>negotiations they've had through the season, and they didn't Pickkwhi

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the full max either. And part of the reason I

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>think Paul, unlike Kawhi, held on to this opportunity to

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>be a free agent, is that even if he wants

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to stay with the Clippers, he wants more money. And

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a real question of do you stay

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>in the West. Do you stay with this team where

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>your partner in crime has had health issues throughout the

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>entire time that you guys have been playing together. You

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>know how competitive you just talked about Oklahoma City. We

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 1>can name you know, Wemby and the Spurs. We can

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>name all these teams on the come up, plus Denver

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 1>plus the Mavericks plus Minnesota. Do you go to the

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>East and be on a team like Philmladelphia with Joel

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Embiid and Tyrese Maxi And of course you've got you know,

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Damian Lillard and Giannis over there too, so it's not

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>all a cakewalk. But what would you do if you're

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in that position?

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, when it comes to Paul, for me, it just

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 3>it gotta make sense.

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And we've watched this guy spend most of his early

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>career just talk about how bad.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to play in LA. He's finally gotten to

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 3>that point.

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>So I just don't see that changing late in your

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>career now, as far as you know him, having a

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>start partner in Kawhi who's always injured, why the hell

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>would you go to Philadelphia? And that's the same situation,

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>except it's a younger guy. So that being the thought process.

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I just don't see that winning him over as well either.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like this is a situation where the

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Clippers will come to their senses. They will give him

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>what he's looking for this contract. Obviously, when it comes

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to negotiating, you have to sometimes have leverage. You have

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>to show that it's other people interested and they're willing

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to get that money. The Clippers will come to their senses,

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and I believe Paul will be back with the Clippers.

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>They'd only make sense them moving into a new arena.

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to let one of your star guys go.

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't make sense. So I think that they

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 2>will come to their senses and you know, we'll see

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Paul and the Clipper sures.

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look why I give up that leverage that

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>he had, and now he's going to go on the

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>open market. Everybody knows how valuable he is. And you know,

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>even if he stays right in LA, he's going to

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>get significantly more money, I think, than he would have

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>gotten if he had signed the extension over the season.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>So smart move by him. Klay Thompson is the bigger

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>question though, book and I do want to hit him

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>before we go here. You played with the Warriors. You

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>saw that Warriors nucleus, the way Clay, Steph Draymond operate.

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're kind of one brain on that team.

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>And Clay has said he is going to go out

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and listen to other offers, and the Warriors have said

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>we'd like to have him back, but it's clear they're

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>not gonna like, they're not gonna max him out. I mean,

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>he's definitely on the decline of what he was in

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>his prime, which there's no shame in that, and that's

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>what happens as you get older. And I wonder if

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Clay himself is going to solve this problem for the

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors of do they focus on keeping the nucleus at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs and maybe not win another title, or do

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<v Speaker 1>they make some major changes to put them back on

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry back in contention. I don't know, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just take the money in Orlando, or do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd take lesson stay with Golden State.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Clay is thinking take the money, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's I don't really see light at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the tunnel for the Warriors in the position that they're

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<v Speaker 2>in right now. I think we're now starting to see

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of, you know, a dynasty end. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>okay everyone. It happens to every dynasty that's ever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't understand why so much. You know, certainty

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Clay going to a team like Orlando,

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<v Speaker 2>I can see Clay fitting in with an okay See

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<v Speaker 2>and actually putting them over the rump.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, there's just the one where there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of noise around. But you're right, there's a lot

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>of teams that might.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to I can see okay See sliding in and

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 2>also offering the same amount of money, and he fit in.

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<v Speaker 3>He fits in seamlessly with that team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's the type of player they're actually looking

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<v Speaker 2>for instead of Josh Giddy being in that spot. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta lay Thompson so that improves their team.

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<v Speaker 3>Draft makes by far, but uh, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a real threat for Clay to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the beginning of the end. And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They had an incredible run. They pushed the league to

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<v Speaker 2>new heights. What they've done is historical. It's obviously league history,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's the beginning of the end for

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<v Speaker 2>that franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean four titles, so you can ever argue

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>with that. It is interesting though, because Steph is talked

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 1>about how hungry is still to win. If Clay does leave,

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that opens up more flexibility for them, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>become another interesting team in the West. Because I'm I

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>believe in Steph Curry basketball teams. You're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>once he's dragged off the floor, fine, but when as

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<v Speaker 1>long as he's playing, I'm in for them having a

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>shot at it. And if they can upgrade that roster.

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<v Speaker 1>If Clay does decide to leave and that leaves them

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<v Speaker 1>more flexibility, I'm curious to see it is. It's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to think that we just ended the season last night, Boog,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be a wild summer, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be another wild year next year. This game

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>is just it gives us so much. It's so much fun.

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>We've got Summer League coming up, We've got the Olympics

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. Basically, the entire NBA is going to come

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to your house, Boogie Cousins. You live in Las Vegas,

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and the whole league is doing a company move there.

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>Over the next month. You will see temsa practice there

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>in July. You will see Summer League there in July,

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Boogie'll barbecue for all of us. We'll see,

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll find out.

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>We'll see if it's enough barbecue for all that.

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:09.959
<v Speaker 7>Right, We at Bully Ball are going to be taking

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 7>a break because the season's over, but we will be

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 7>catching you on other parts of the All the Smoke

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 7>Productions platforms.

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>You'll see booking and I quite a bit, and you know,

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>go back and and listen to past episodes. You can

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>catch all of our episodes on the DraftKings Network, on

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the All the Smoke Productions YouTube channel wherever people get

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>their podcasts and book I just want to say thank

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you to you. This was a new venture for us

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>this year. You have, you know, set such an example

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of stepping into your NBA retirement but also just being

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>able to play the game you love. I've said this

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times. When I say it again, I

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>so admire the fact that you want to compete and

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you have that desire to poop and play ball, that

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you just want to do it. And I think that's

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 1>an incredible example to set for people. And I think

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it's fun for you and finals, MVP and champion of

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>your league over there in Taiwan. But I just I

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you because it's been so much fun

0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 1>basketball talk this year, and I'm saying for more.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you, Rach, and I want to thank you

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>as well. Thank you for this opportunity, thank you for

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>inviting me to this lane, and we're gonna go places.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited, absolutely, absolutely all right, We will see you

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>guys as we go this summer signing off for the

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>season though.

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<v Speaker 3>Peace